protection

[civic fox]

I figure I need a better alert WA / setup as a DPS main I was naive and was like aight ill just slap prot on should be fine at 412 ilevel, shield block + IB + healer yadiya

thanks for the input

[green grotto]

Are healers having to give you externals for the beak bitch in AA in 18+ keys during the peck this week? We had our tank go down last night during an 18 and noticed the healer never even tossed a defensive on him.

[civic fox]

out of curiosity what do yall use for tank buster alerts?

[outer sun]

no

[inland adder]

Eyes weakaura

[brittle silo]

littlewigs for timers

[median tulip]

I mean, a defensive is nice but not really necessary

[outer sun]

maybe if like no cds but not really in an 18 seems like a missed block or no cd usage

[green grotto]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[earnest nymph]

I'm assuming you're managing some kind of CDs and not just SB+IP on this

[civic fox]

sorry i'm tryna search this up but can't find it, is there another name for it or can you point me to it xd (appreciate)?

[outer sun]

well of course rotate cds according, think took double shield wall just for saftey

[earnest nymph]

figured, your messages above in response to anbokr implied it was survivable with just SB+IP which is what @civic fox was asking

[outer sun]

in a 20 sb ip and iv should be enough to survive and not go to 10-20% is what i was saying

[alpine solar]

Hello, what's the best def rotation for hrja? and for flameheart

[outer sun]

maybe if miss shield block in a 20 u would go to like 40-50% but theres not really alot of damage output in terms of like consistantly low if baited right

[civic fox]

out of curiosity, what is IV an acronym for, like I said I'm normally a dps main and complete prot scrub

just tryna get a little bit better when I'm needed to tank here and there

[wooden widget]

Impending victory

[civic fox]

my biggest issue is assuming sb + ip will carry everything

[earnest nymph]

the hits are shadow damage fwiw, shield block doesn't protect you there

[short vale]

Hyrja if you play cdr wall talent you can line: reflect+wall/reflect+spellblock every time.
U can also full IP, def stance and demo, this took me from 100 to like 60% in a 22

[unreal sage]

Does strike twice(not sure if this is real name of that weapon) is bis for us? Or decent? Especisly with cos ring

[outer sun]

I get that but i also have spell break

[unreal sage]

Worth to farm it?

[civic fox]

do people normally stay battle stance for bosses in tyr 20+ or are there some bosses where sitting in dstance is apt?

[unreal sage]

I think you are suppose to pop up Def stance in proper time if you have to

[alpine solar]

ty, i was too dumb to use spell block on it 😄

[unreal sage]

If not play in battle

[lofty widget]

never just sit in d stance

you swap for tank buster hits

then back

[outer sun]

read pinned

but depends on you tbh

battle stance is based on like 3 things imo

if u pug and healer is meh then probs defensive for bosses. if ur with group and can call for stuff probs battle

i battle to 23 but thats my comp

[short vale]

Ye ppl dislike taking it in halls cause it’s basically just for hyrja, it also make dragon pulls a bit easier but these aren’t too hard even without it

[outer sun]

TJS is probably the one exception

[unreal sage]

👆

[polar girder]

Wow haste is sooo much better holy cow. It feels like an entirely new class with 20% haste instead of 10%

[alpine solar]

and what do you do on flamehearth?

same stuff

i think he casts a bit quicker

than herja laser or?

[earnest nymph]

flamehearth?

forgive me

[alpine solar]

the jade temple slapper

[earnest nymph]

oh

yeah you have to plan out several rounds of CDs for that

see discussion like 20 minutes ago above

[deft mortar]

Did 60k overall dps in Algeth'ar 17

is that ok?

[outer sun]

DO u have RBL shell trink?

[earnest nymph]

yes?

why?

[short vale]

Somehow my it sims like omega higher on 415 over my crafted 418, need valor to make it though sadge

[outer sun]

is better then Whetstone? im trying to see what to run

[earnest nymph]

ohh

[hard birch]

What's a good uptime for IP generally speaking?

[earnest nymph]

sorry didn't know where that was going

[outer sun]

i mean 80-90

is goal

[earnest nymph]

@outer sun there's really not conclusive data on ruby whelp shell yet I don't think. There's a discord devoted to data/testing for it

[hard birch]

I'm usually a hair above 90% uptime for IP.

[outer sun]

like i see people running it but idk if its worth replacing whetstone yet

plus idk what buff i would take probs haste

[earnest nymph]

I'm doing haste atm

[deft mortar]

I think with the set IP uptime hits 100%

[unreal sage]

Uhm So have to farm it, also ring xd have a lot of valor So.. I used only 250 So far

[earnest nymph]

don't have enough personal data to say whether or not I feel it's decent

[deft mortar]

Because any dmg creates an IP

[outer sun]

ya with 4 piece u could probably push like 95-100% depending on key level and haste

[deft mortar]

wel lets say 99%

[hard birch]

Is 4 piece worth getting?

[earnest nymph]

man I don't even have 2pc still

[deft mortar]

When the 4th set creates a IP does BV feed into it?

[short vale]

Ye I just also try to line a def cd with self heal:
Spell ref + iv
Wall + pot
Spell ref + last stand
Spell block + hs
U get the idea

[unreal sage]

For m+ yeah

[hard birch]

I wish they increased the cap for valor per week, 750 is too little IMO.

[outer sun]

2 piece is amazing imo

[deft mortar]

@earnest nymph relax come Jan 23 u will instantly be 4 piece

[earnest nymph]

not true

[deft mortar]

when the converter unlocks

[outer sun]

lies

[earnest nymph]

1 craft per week

[outer sun]

1 piece per week

[deft mortar]

wot

ugh

[outer sun]

and its an account quest

[deft mortar]

its already cringe that M+ (arguably harder content than raiding) doesnt drop set

[outer sun]

u have to do every week

[earnest nymph]

I had 2pc and gave it up for a literal 40 ilvl upgrade in the chest slot

[outer sun]

lordy

[earnest nymph]

yep

was tragic

[outer sun]

ya i had to sit my 421 legs for 398 til next week

for 4 piece

[hard birch]

If you put in a none tier catalyst item such as a belt, can you use valor to upgrade it with the catalyst or no?

[earnest nymph]

if a piece of gear comes from an upgradeable source such as pvp or m+, it can still be upgraded after catalyzing it

with valor, etc

[unreal sage]

Catalyst is not exacly changing item into set item, it is changing item i to raid item

[earnest nymph]

belt is not part of the tier set though

[outer sun]

@earnest nymph do u have the tech in AA?

[unreal sage]

If this is head lega etc it will be set item

[earnest nymph]

which tech

the book boss tech?

[unreal sage]

But you still can put belt etc into it which is waste xd

[outer sun]

Naw someone yesterday was saying u can pull all the birds in 1 pull unless it was patched

[earnest nymph]

oh no clue

[hard birch]

The non tier belt is good I think, haste/vers.

[earnest nymph]

I just found out that the mana bombs on book boss can be LOS'd and then it only goes on the tank

you just pull it to one of the pillars

[outer sun]

ye its like helpful as well

[lofty widget]

ranged player jumps off the platform and tags one of the birds

and they all snap to you

[earnest nymph]

bring back snaps pls

BFA dungeon meta

hoping we get atal dazar in s2

[unreal sage]

Yeah im also big fan of atal dazar

[deft mortar]

I wanna see Black Rook Hold

[short vale]

Oh god please no, halls of valor is pain enough

[deft mortar]

wym HoV has no mechanics

It's just too BEEFY

Too much HP on everything

trash is bit annoying

[sick sentinel]

odyn destroys my groups because ??????

i failed to solo him at 80.7% 😦

[deft mortar]

ppl cant dodge cheese balls or see color I guess

[outer sun]

Is it bad i want MoS back?

[sick sentinel]

i was so close

[vast goblet]

They blow their def cds on shit besides the rune phase

[short vale]

Rp, running back n forth, and then more rp

[fallen apex]

We could old school to Blackrock Caverns where pugs couldn't even avoid dying to trash on heroic back in the day

[sick sentinel]

they probably get hit by a bun ch of balls and take loads of dmg an then panic mash all the DR / heal buttons they have

then die to runic brand

anybody got tips on tanking the bird boss in AA?

[polar girder]

no balls till 55% and then dont do wind imo

[outer sun]

Well whats the issue?

[short vale]

Go dwarf and have an evoker healer

[polar girder]

^better question

[sick sentinel]

just invite evoker healer simpler, i dunno what their CD is on that spell

theres not enough cd in the world to cover for the bleed

[outer sun]

I mean there is

[sick sentinel]

how do you do it

[outer sun]

depends on key level tbh

[sick sentinel]

like whats the setup

22

[ornate wagon]

Cauterizing Flame is a 1 min CD

[sick sentinel]

fuckin, why not treat the bleed like any other hard boss like 3rd boss TJS and then space out cd's

[outer sun]

22 double shield wall talanted and then u play with envoker or are u dwarf?

[short vale]

Wall, demo+full ip, dwarf/evoker clear - it’s pmuch same as ruby boss 2

[fallen apex]

Evoker bleed clear is a 2 min CD unless they stock them in stasis

[sick sentinel]

you can just straight remove one bleed, so then id assume you can cycle every second bleed and you just do CD's when you have to eat the bleed

[short vale]

And I dislike double wall, cdr wall gets more uses in a tyr fight imo

[outer sun]

if not u would play wall/ demo ip/ personal IV/ LS if needed

[sick sentinel]

from there its just not using all DR's at once i'd have to imagine and do the 1234567 "maybe jesus" list

[uneven mason]

Run IO for rlp boss2

[sick sentinel]

the bleed is every 15 seconds

whats the CD for bleed removal

1 minute

and we have druid healer

so you could remove every 4th bleed

[civic fox]

wait you only get 1 catalyst charge per week per account not per char?

[short vale]

Druid healer can muscle through bleed without extra cds on a 21 in my exp

[outer sun]

no its per char

[oak echo]

No every char gets a charge

[civic fox]

ok wew

[outer sun]

but once u do the quest it opens for all chars

[oak echo]

The quest progress is just shared

[civic fox]

i see i see

[fallen apex]

There's just one weekly quest across account

[outer sun]

i mean are u including the 10 seconds of the bleed dot plus 20 seconds of boss stunned into that ?

cuz that number is off by a bit

[sick sentinel]

whats the typical cd if you run cdr wall?

like 1min ish?

[short vale]

Think so, never actually checked it but ye, on 100% rotation uptime it’s close to a min gcd

[fallen lichen]

Double wall is good for expected high burst though. Like 3rd boss jade temple.

Besides that the cdr owns, 3 free extra rage per ss too

[sick sentinel]

its good when you know you wont need a 3rd or 4th wall

[short vale]

If you really struggle u can always go omega defensive and grab avatar wall too

[sick sentinel]

idk if its worth it

[short vale]

But it will reck your aoe dmg

[sick sentinel]

ive seen a lot of logs of people just tanking it with normal setup

so they must be doing something else

im just not sure what

[uneven mason]

Externals and Giga healers

[short vale]

Punish also has some merit in these bosses, I only play it on tyr tank buster keys

[sick sentinel]

yea idk

[short vale]

This is actually a big point, even a healer that’s just aware that you’re gonna be out of juice and he needs to pump you in a moment - most healers aren’t like that sadly

[deft mortar]

PvE healers

are rly nothing compraed with PvP healers

the diff in awareness and skill level is so vast

PvE healers are glorified shaman totems

[tame blaze]

I can usually SR + IP + IV one and if I don't have SR my evoker uses stagger but if the healer isn't ready to top me off it doesn't matter 😦

[short vale]

Died to it on 22 this week cause there was half combo into p3 (only tank buster) and healer forgot to heal me after it 😦

[alpine solar]

warr is hard

kekw

[short vale]

!

[sand grove]

What do you think about the Ruby Whelp Shell guys? Is it good?

[hard birch]

What ilvl for +16 you guys think?

[open gazelle]

I was already like 390 ilvl by the time m+ even dropped so I couldn’t tell ya

[unreal lily]

Damn how is that possible?

[fallen lichen]

‘Superrares’ ? Crafts?

[open gazelle]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

its about 3% of my overall i have trained to 6/6 aoe

[fallen lichen]

I was like 385ish

[unreal lily]

We only had one spark though when m+ dropped right?

[sand grove]

is it worth it?

[open gazelle]

I just farmed the shit out of super rates

[unreal lily]

Damn that's awesome!

[sick sentinel]

depends on what else do you have

[open gazelle]

I had one cloak and neck too

The cobalt ring

Wrathion*

[fallen lichen]

Bff with wrathion

[unreal lily]

Man I just hit 398 now lol. It's my first season though doing m+. Been fun so far!

[sick sentinel]

I’m 6/6 single target, and it’ll do 3.5-4% of my overall, and static str on top of it. Don’t think it’s as insane as some make it out to be but it’s decent

[open gazelle]

I don’t raid though so my ilvl has dropped off, I’m only 403 ilvl now

[calm lynx]

good evening/morning/afternoon friends 🙂

what buff would you guys skill for your ruby whelp shell? i am thinking about the haste buff

[unreal lily]

I've done a few as fury. Seems like a good way to snag raid gear

[open gazelle]

I legit have a small orc infant family can’t commit to a raid schedule

[unreal lily]

Fair enough. That's definitely understandable

[open gazelle]

I’ll have to try putting heroic when the fam is asleep so@etine

Sometime

[grand locust]

hey all. got pretty much one shot on the last boss of a nokhud +17. im still a noobie at interpreting logs, but it looks like i took sanguine damage? any idea what that was from? this was during p3, and afaik the adds on that fight dont drop sanguine

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h4KkAwVdM28m3gbB/#fight=last&type=deaths&source=1&death=1

[amber siren]

Private report, need to make it public

[grand locust]

oopsie

all good now, thanks

[fallow osprey]

We’ll definitely don’t take a thunder strike to the face like that, you can reflect it

[amber siren]

Definitely not a one shot, had 47% health with conductive strike debuffed

[sick sentinel]

dont reflect thunderstrike

reflect the other one

[amber siren]

Yep you reflect conductive

[fallow osprey]

Ya either works, the hit like a wet noodle unless paired

[charred ivy]

how do u deal with the tree boss in acadamy stacks? it slaps on higher keys

[toxic gyro]

Need dispell

[strong forum]

Reflecting the first one leaves a massive dot on the boss

You only want to reflect the conductive strike

Thunderstrike does 50k
Conductive strike does millions

[split stratus]

Is there a known formula to know how much damage reduction a block value gives to a prot war ?

[analog marlin]

question - for high keys prot would you want to run a 415 unstable arcane loop w/ a socket or 415 jeweled sig of melandrus no socket? my other ring is the 418 crafted. Both are crit/haste rings, melandrus just has the additional autoattack damage.

[plush tendon]

sim it!

[strong forum]

You can literally check on the "block" tooltip on your character sheet how much you block

[open gazelle]

I always have a “haul ass” tempo when it comes to tanking keys but I’ve noticed fortified are harder to time than tyrannical for me. Any tips/tricks especially with talents to be the most defensive ready tank to chain pull and keep the “haul ass” tempo for fortified trash?

[analog marlin]

ohhh thats a good point ty. I had gotten out of the habit of simming bc tank lol tyty

[strong forum]

Just hover over it, and it'll tell you how much % you block

[split stratus]

Sure but I want to know if it would be worth to craft the primal shield. I know its block value but not the damage reduction

[analog marlin]

are people still running the assembly guardians ring? or is that healing not really needed anymore at this point

[strong forum]

If your shield isn't 418+, yes its worth

Shield is your single biggest contributor to your defensive toolkit

The jump from a 402 to 418 shield is over 10% dmg reduction gain

[plush tendon]

That ring (and the dps counterpart) punch well above their weight in terms of I level, but again I would sim it; the shielding tends to be decent like 8% extra healing

whether thats needed or not is a you decision

[split stratus]

Alright thanks !

[plush tendon]

but I got both fire rings and the auto attack ring, so I just switch around between them.... but im almost always using the fireball ring and the auto attack ring cause damage

[analog marlin]

ok ya ty! the ring did 10% of my healing in a 19 court just now, seems scary to lose lol

[plush tendon]

The thing is, its shielding so it gets absorb first

was it useful healing?

or will it just be replaced by the overhealing you are doing

[lethal violet]

Hi guys quick question. Spell block should reflect all spells that spell reflection reflect right?

[lofty widget]

no, spell block lets you block spells for 20 sec

not reflect

[analog marlin]

oh i see what youre saying

[lethal violet]

Hmm right. So i should take less damage like half?

[plush tendon]

so my reco is, unless you are dealing with a dungeon or raid fight that pounds tanks (looking at you Mythic Kurog) then I would just go for damage

[analog marlin]

ok thank you, this was very helpful.

[scenic tusk]

Do you guys pull the entire tree boss area on AA or do you go halfsies?

[plush tendon]

This week, hell no

unless I got a rogue who is on permenant orb duty

otherwise.... it depends on what dps I have

[strong forum]

Didn't they fix that

[plush tendon]

its not always worth to just pull everything

[plush tendon]

I think for the little guys maybe, but its still a lot of orbs and people get overwhelemed

mentally

[lethal violet]

I pull 3 insects and 1 tree pack, after same pull and last tree pack

[open gazelle]

If you pull the whole room it’s nine orbs

[plush tendon]

its also not really worth if you dont have DPS that can make good use of the mass aoe

if ya got a affliction lock, unholy dk, destro lock or anything that just does giga mass aoe, then it may be worth to have one dps focus on orbs with the healer and let them carry

otherwise, just play it safe

[warped lantern]

Hey guys, in terms of survivability, i could upgrade lariat, shield or frostfire belt from 405 > 418, any major gain ? read about 10% dmg reduction for shield, but i am unsure

[plush tendon]

shield

100% of the time

everytime

[warped lantern]

alright, thx

[plush tendon]

lariat should be the last thing you upgrade to max

but weps and shields are the biggest gains

[warped lantern]

i am sticking to the wowhead guide and there lariat is on p1

[plush tendon]

I mean getting the lariat is big (sort of.... convinced the Jewlcrafters are running a bigger scam then the wedding ring industry)

but you dont need to upgrade to 418 first

Lariat is just a really solid crafted piece since theres a very low probability youll replace it

and the embellishment is pretty good, but its not overwhelming ahead of everything else

[open gazelle]

I got my lariat to 418 first because I got a 411 shield now time to get frostfire belt

[warped lantern]

okay, ill get the shield then, thx for help

[plush tendon]

Shield is, and always will be, the bread and butter of Prot War

good shield, good life

[reef shoal]

which shield is better? hearth or molten defender?

[plush tendon]

always go primal molten

you can choose your stats+the embellishment aint great

[reef shoal]

is it because i can't equip frostfire + lariat?

[plush tendon]

Frostfire is strong in conjuction with the raid rings

[sturdy sable]

Its also pretty solid on its own

[plush tendon]

if you dont have the raid rings, its about the same as any other embellishment

[reef shoal]

idk if those default embellishments count towards the 2 max

[plush tendon]

they do

[plush tendon]

yea, I like the frostfire belt, so ive been making it on my toons.... in the hope I can sneak them into a first boss mythic kill once and a while XD

[sick sentinel]

im so hard up for a ring i might craft one

[sturdy sable]

Dude im still using a cobalt ring

Im 413 equiped with a 389 ring

[sick sentinel]

same and some shitter 372 haste crit ring

at least its purple

[sturdy sable]

Exactly lol

[prime sphinx]

Do first 2 mythic raid each week then decent chance at ring

[plush tendon]

gotta get yourself one of these

[sturdy sable]

Ive been holding out for a cos ring

[plush tendon]

this things better then CoS ring

[sturdy sable]

Yeah no shot LC is giving me the ring over a dps

[open gazelle]

When do we ever do fire damage? Lol

[plush tendon]

Frostfire

[sturdy sable]

With the belt

[plush tendon]

belt

[left locust]

Hi folks - is there an easy list of spells/classes that can get all lasher toxins off me?

[distant crystal]

gotta give it to all the dps that proc it naturally first

then the dps that proc it with crafted items

then the tanks

😄

[plush tendon]

Or be a chad and vault it

[sturdy sable]

Thats the hope man

[distant crystal]

was too busy vaulting icon 😄

[plush tendon]

Icon is poop

I gotta kill Kurog and get his trinket

then we rocking

[sturdy sable]

Ive got 2 mythic raid vault options next week so wish me luck

[distant crystal]

i'm a havoc main so icon is goated

but so is eranog ring

[tidal barn]

Hi fellas

just got gift of riddance

is that any good for us?

[plush tendon]

meh?

[tidal barn]

for tyrannical keys maybe?

[plush tendon]

naw, its a solid meh tier

[tidal barn]

All-totem of the master, Decoration of flame before gift of riddance?

[plush tendon]

All-Totem is very strong for M+ (or with any high tank uptime fight)

[tidal barn]

so not for tyrannical even?

[plush tendon]

I would just sim against decroation and gift of raddiance

but decoration does have some defensive bonus in it

[candid gull]

Can I throw ravager before demoshout/avatar and then later ticks are affected or nah?

[plush tendon]

you should try to throw ravager before; subsequent ticks should be affected by those bonuses

the best is to throw ravager, instantly charge, and then go to town

[sick sentinel]

does it actually matter at all if you start on left vs riight on second boss TJS

[candid gull]

Yeah think that will help me with threat with melee going brrr

Ty bud

[sick sentinel]

i know about stop dps at 8 stacks go to other

[distant crystal]

it only matters that everyone starts on the same side

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[unreal sage]

Doubt

It is making twice dmg as spikes

[amber siren]

All sims have embellishments around 1% so unless you suddenly have new information the rest of us don't

[unreal sage]

I used both of them, spikes did 0.7-1%

Since i have never seen my belt did less than 1.2%

And ofc im not Talking about one dungeon

I was playing with spikes for 2 weeks and nów im playing with belt second week

[high drum]

larriat is a decent amount more

same with belt if you have rings

[unreal sage]

Larian+belt seems like Best option

[high drum]

or even 1 ring

[unreal sage]

Even with no rings

[naive panther]

I have 1 ring ,could have had two, need to sparkle my weapon or get another weapon so I can make belt, just don't want to have to recraft my weapon multiple times again

[amber siren]

I'm sure everyone who worked hard on the warrior sims will be pleased to know they can retire based off of 'not one dungeons' information

[high drum]

the absorb ring is kinda shit

carried by its ilvl

[naive panther]

yeah that's the one I didn't take

[crystal bear]

how much haste is the max on prot ?

[unreal sage]

I asked about that on this forum before crafting it

[uneven mason]

Yes

[naive panther]

i stack crit, but also still have 30% haste

[unreal sage]

Not sure but propably @strong forum told be to craft belt cause is solid even without ring

[strong forum]

418 belt

[uneven mason]

CRIT

[amber siren]

Yeah belt is a decent option without ring, they all are

[naive panther]

crit gems and enchants juicy

[amber siren]

No one said belt is bad

[crystal bear]

going for haste vers for m+ isnt that better or is too much vers bad..?

[strong forum]

Belt is literally not better than any other embellishment

It's only cuz it enables rings

[naive panther]

that's lower than my fang armaments

[strong forum]

That it's better

[unreal sage]

So that was not him xd

[uneven mason]

This

[strong forum]

:doubt:

[unreal sage]

So nvm still beter take belt cause in future you have chsnce for ring

[uneven mason]

No stat is bad

[unreal sage]

Even if it is close there is no reason to take spikes

[strong forum]

Cuz this is a 72k dps run

[crystal bear]

my belt in a m15 at 402

[fallow osprey]

Is SR ready for every conductive though?

[gloomy lintel]

how do you deal with explosives? is there a preferred way/macro?

[naive panther]

fang armaments 1% in a nok 20, with 55k overall damage, thanks to having to 4 man, last 15 min.

[strong forum]

Not every single one, but almost

[naive panther]

coulda been over 60 rip

[strong forum]

Yeah how much dps seo

Of the fang adornment

[naive panther]

533

[strong forum]

All embellishments are 400-600 dps

Literally

This is just a slight highroll

[jagged pier]

i would say belt seems to be the most consistent from logs and stuff ive seen

but

they all do around the same

pick your posion

[strong forum]

^

[naive panther]

hmm, well I have heroic fire dam ring,

was going to wait for 421 weapon but that may never happen to make belt

[crystal bear]

i choose the belt because of its a belt so no tierslot

[naive panther]

it sims lower atm even with 398 melandrus

[strong forum]

Yeah it was only a 35ilvl upgrade for me to craft belt

So defo worth regardless of ring

[naive panther]

392 ilvl belt here

so yeah!

[spice orbit]

Are people running spell block for jade serpent 3rd boss? 😐

[strong forum]

Yes

[crystal bear]

yes

[strong forum]

Tjs is the best dungeon for spellblock

[cinder storm]

I'm considering crafting chest since I mainly do m+

[sick sentinel]

3rd place on dps meters

[strong forum]

If you can get 4pc without chest, sure

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[crystal bear]

i think the chest is amazing for tier 421 if the catalyst is out

[drifting lotus]

is punish a straight 3% dr? or just a 3% dr against the enemy struck?

[jagged pier]

enemy struck

[cinder storm]

Catalyst is out next week yeah? I only need one more piece to have 4pc

[tacit haven]

you target them way late on this nevermind

[jagged pier]

so its insane on bosses

[strong forum]

9-12%DR on the target you're shield slamming

[jagged pier]

and prio mobs in m+

like dragons in HoV

[high drum]

Yes chef!

[strong forum]

Eyir cooks

[gilded tendon]

Yes chef!

[cinder storm]

Yes chef!

[sick sentinel]

im just farming 405 crafted's tbh

[high drum]

farm 17s for 418s bro

i believe

[strong forum]

16s

[high drum]

no dont fall for the 16s noob trab

17s are easier

[cinder storm]

Yogi runs at his own pace

[sick sentinel]

i gotta get my bracers to 402/405

[high drum]

all the shitters pile up for the 16 keys

you gotta jump em

[sick sentinel]

or i'd feel slightly better if they were

[slender wedge]

how are u training your dragons for m+?

[wraith niche]

More importantly, can you retrain the dragon?

[slender wedge]

you can

you just replace the first point you used

for the new one

[sick sentinel]

extreme dislike of vaults

but that will end

[wraith niche]

Sweet, makes choosing easier

[sick sentinel]

fort RLP is a key i really struggle with apparently

[bleak chasm]

hey wardaddies, quick question: I tank the adds for brood on our guild runs. We've cleared it, but I feel like I'm hanging on by my fingernails with the big bleed the dragon adds apply (2nd pack, 5th pack, and so forth). My IP doesn't seem to do much so I've been having to call for externals--especially when all adds are dead and I'm moving on to the next spawn location. Anyone have some good advice for this? Or is it meant to be a healer check?

[dim apex]

do we keep Barbaric Training after 2 piece tier

[slender wedge]

i got 5/6 talents on aoe dmg training for my whelp

this the dmg i got on a halls 18

[uneven mason]

We don't use BT

[slender wedge]

should i train it on ST?

[spice orbit]

that's a very generic stament. Why not?

[uneven mason]

Because it's bad math

25% more damage for 50% increased cost

[spice orbit]

yeah but rage is not rare...

[sand grove]

it is..

[hasty sapphire]

in which dungeons is SpellBlock considered mandatory for surviving? or do i take in in every dungeon?

[spice orbit]

jade

[uneven mason]

Then you get into the opportunity costs

[hasty sapphire]

only jade?

[uneven mason]

Higher cost on revenge means less casts overall, meaning less ss resets

[unkempt imp]

By design you want to cast revenge more often because of 2p its damage gain is meh

[uneven mason]

Hitting your rage budget from the other direction

[sand mason]

First boss of ruby it’s super helpful

[spice orbit]

but you also get 25% more damage on the free ones...

[uneven mason]

Less rage budget means less anger management cycling and outburst casts

[sand mason]

This

[uneven mason]

Leading to less avatars which is less thunderclaps

Are we following yet

[spice orbit]

I'm following that train of thought. Barbaric TRaining seems worth

[sand mason]

Bassmu check your vanguard uptime and see if it’s high enough (85% is my understanding for our goal) and I still struggle to reach that without BT

[uneven mason]

So, we don't BT because it's a newbie trap and is lower overall DPS in *most situations

[distant crystal]

[sand mason]

Do a key with and without. I bet you’ll find lower vanguard uptime, fewer ss, tc, and avatar casts, and the same rage over cap for the same amount of revenge damage overall if not less

[vital oak]

Rage spent is still spent, no effect on anger management.

[distant crystal]

read more

[spice orbit]

Not running tier right now. I don't raid and my vault was not nice to me

[distant crystal]

the effect is less revenges cast, so less ss procs, so less rage gained, so less rage spent

[uneven mason]

Except the whole less rage from less ss resets

[distant crystal]

i think

[vital oak]

I'm not defending BT, but using anger management as a reason is wrong.

[distant crystal]

it's not tho

[uneven mason]

Because our talents function in a vacuum

[vital oak]

One could play with the same number of revenge casts if not pressing IP.

[bleak chasm]

If dumping rage is the justification someone is using for BT, I'd say that rage is better spent pumping IP more.

[vital oak]

I agree

Just saying, don't use anger management as your reason.

[distant crystal]

or do

[vital oak]

and be wrong.

[distant crystal]

or be right

[uneven mason]

So, not spending range on something you can press off the GCD

[warm plinth]

Revenge is 20 rage. For 60 rage, I can cast 3 revenges for 300% damage (100% x3). With Barbaric Training, for 60 rage I can cast 2 Revenge for 250% damage (125% x2).

[dim apex]

where our talent build secttion?

[vital oak]

except you can't as the gcd gets in the way

[amber siren]

Wat

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

You will be able to press more Revenges over the course of the fight when it costs less.

[bleak chasm]

^ this. wasting a GCD for negligible damage seems really inefficient.

[uneven mason]

Or I could spend 55 rage in 1 gcd

[distant crystal]

he's playing both sides of the gcd coin for his not defending BT defense of BT

my man is bored af

me too tho

[vital oak]

Only if you keep pressing IP at the same rate which is not gaurenteed.

[warm plinth]

That applies whether you're using BT or not though so my point still stands

[amber siren]

[dusky canopy]

[vital oak]

Your first assertion was that BT would cause anger management to bring avatar up less, that is incorrect is my assertion.

[distant crystal]

we know

[uneven mason]

We understand your point, it's just not how math works.

[vital oak]

It's easy enough to take the rage used in BT from other sources of rage spent to have NO effect in overall anger management.

[dusky canopy]

Well in theory, less SS resets means less rage witch means less rage spent into anger management

So actually

You are not correct

[vital oak]

why do you assume less ss resets?

[unkempt imp]

But it's not incorrect tho... taking bt=less rage gained tho because you get less ss which means you gain less rage over time which means you just have less rage to spend on ip or revenge.

[warm plinth]

Revenge is more expensive, thus pressed less

[amber siren]

Because youre casting it less

[warm plinth]

Which means less SS resets

[lofty widget]

cause fewer revenge casts=fewer ss resets

[dusky canopy]

The key press does resets

[vital oak]

you don't have to be casting it less though

[dusky canopy]

Not how much rage is spent

[amber siren]

Are we on the same page on how addition works

Am I stupid

[lofty widget]

you do when it costs 10 more rage

[dusky canopy]

Yes you do cast it less of it costs more

[warm plinth]

You're not magically generating more rage because revenge costs more 🤔

[lofty widget]

mathematically you cast it less

[vital oak]

indeed but as it is there's excess rage (that goes into IP now) that could be used on the same number of revenge casts as non BT.

[dusky canopy]

No it can not because of gcd limit

[amber siren]

If youre rage capping with or without BT, that's not BT being efficient that's you wasting rage

[vital oak]

you can't cast revenge the same number of times because of the gcd limit? it doesn't change when you take BT.

[uneven mason]

You're still slowing down the rage you spend

[strong forum]

It does because you'll rage starve yourself alot more

[dusky canopy]

^

[vital oak]

one doesn't rage cap because you are pressing IP

[uneven mason]

Hokyshit

[amber siren]

...right

Which is why BT doesn't make a difference

[jagged pier]

[vital oak]

It makes a difference, you're trading a minimal dam increase for much more mitigation by moving the rage you would spend on revenge into IP.

[dusky canopy]

With BT you can run into situations of low rage generation witch is bad

[warm plinth]

The entire spec is a feedback loop. Less revenges = less shield slams = less rage = less revenges

[uneven mason]

We should have a discussion about how to use IP offensively

[unkempt imp]

Does any1 see ignore pain in that screenshot I must be blind

[lusty tiger]

U got logs using it well tho?

[dusky canopy]

Ip isn’t about resetting SS it is ONLY pressed to prevent rage cap

[vital oak]

I would appreciate that, I'm always interested in learning new things and am by no means infallable.

[amber siren]

If you're not proccing SS, and you're not generating extra rage because of it, you're spending rage to gain less rage

That's not good math

[warm plinth]

Even if you never press IP in your life, you will still cast less revenges if it costs 50% more over the course of a fight.

[dusky canopy]

^

[vital oak]

I disagree

without popping IP you will be overcapped all the teme

[warm plinth]

Well, you're allowed to be wrong.

[vital oak]

*tie

*time

[dusky canopy]

You can disagree all you want you are factually incorrect based off factual data?

[strong forum]

Go hit a dummy and play BT

[warm plinth]

That is completely irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

[strong forum]

See how much IP you can actually press

The answer is: very little

You'll have literal downtime in your rotation

[vital oak]

you can't, but the point is that with BT you can still SPEND as much rage as without, which is what anger management cares about.

[strong forum]

Because of it

[warm plinth]

You can't spend as much rage because you're generating less and you're spending more per GCD

[vital oak]

I've hit the dummies with BT and was always GCD locked, didn't have gaps.

[mighty valley]

fewer shield slam resets due to fewer total revenges hurts your overall rage econ

[strong forum]

Proof or didn't happen

[round cliff]

wat

tldr?

[gloomy sinew]

guys is it vers better than mastery for us?

[strong forum]

Yes

[gloomy sinew]

Cause im kinda lost in the stat weight for prot

[dusky canopy]

Ip is always offensive because it’s rage spent into AM

[vital oak]

sure, but by the time I log a bunch of hits this discord will have moved on. (other than being the lone dissenter) why don't you prove your side with logs?

[dusky canopy]

[round cliff]

hmmm

[uneven mason]

But not enough you avoid mastery

[round cliff]

ur right

[amber siren]

IP procs anger management, feeds into avatar CD reduction, turns it DPS

[warm plinth]

You're the one that made the claim that goes against the status quo dude

[uneven mason]

Outburst

[amber siren]

Big nums

[round cliff]

ur right ur right

[dusky canopy]

Well yer this too

[gloomy sinew]

so mastery is ok but at least how much vers ?=

[round cliff]

i press IP even in trivial single target content so ig im doing something right

[lusty tiger]

the low cost allows you an extra "roll" on proccing SS

[strong forum]

There is no minimum requirement for any stat

[dusky canopy]

Ilvl

[strong forum]

Just stack ilvl > haste and you Gucci

[dusky canopy]

200% haste is the goal

[gloomy sinew]

ok ok ill try im kinda new in tanking

[strong forum]

[lusty tiger]

not wrong

[uneven mason]

165%

[lofty widget]

so i just got whetstone, what kind of dps is that doing to justify not having mainstat?

[warm plinth]

I thought you could only get like

[lusty tiger]

a lot

[warm plinth]

116%

Because of how hard it starts to DR

[strong forum]

3.5k

[lofty widget]

would it ever beat a heroic all totem?

purely for dmg

[dusky canopy]

We don’t need that kind of negativity in here

[strong forum]

In m+

[dusky canopy]

You want all the haste

[strong forum]

Hard to say

In raid, yes

[gloomy sinew]

i just hav 8vers

:c

[dusky canopy]

Go 0 and block stuff

[lusty tiger]

^

[dusky canopy]

[distant crystal]

does alltotem do fire dmg?

[strong forum]

My heroic all-totem does ~2.5k dps in just raw dmg + whatever the procs grant me

[distant crystal]

is it decent for ring proc purposes?

[strong forum]

So Id like to think it does beat whetstone

But in St whetstone owns hard

[warm plinth]

Nome also pulls like a crazy person

[strong forum]

I won't be pulling anything anytime soon anymore

[warm plinth]

Why

[strong forum]

5tank is dead

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

Nooooo

[lofty widget]

😦

[strong forum]

Literally don't have a reason to log on anymore

[warm plinth]

5 tank gives me life though

[uneven mason]

Wat

[strong forum]

[warm plinth]

Welcome to Nomeratur

[uneven mason]

No I mean why's 5tank ded

[warm plinth]

Oh

I misunderstood

[strong forum]

Personal

[uneven mason]

Doh

No more streaming?

[warm plinth]

Reroll NA Nome, and then you, Steve, and his friend will be 3/5

Then just need 2 more

[uneven mason]

I'd be down

[strong forum]

Na 5tank is slowly in the works

Not by me tho

I'm on an indefinite wow break

Great way to waste the 12month sub

[spark gazelle]

Does anyone have a decent route for AV by any chance?

[uneven mason]

This is almost as bad as that time Sense ran bdk for the MDI

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

Why would you even bring that up

[uneven mason]

Because it was a traumatic experience

[warm plinth]

We're in enough pain right now

[lilac condor]

why is lariat better than the defensive neck ? we dont need to be more defensive ?

[warm plinth]

tf is a defensive neck 👀

[uneven mason]

Tf is defensive

[lilac condor]

i saw a neck giving shield

[uneven mason]

Is poo

[lilac condor]

kk

ty

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-9673680

[uneven mason]

I miss him already.

[short jolt]

How often are yall in battle stance vs defensive stance in high keys?

[lofty widget]

99-100 % of the time

[strong forum]

99% of the time

[short jolt]

99% in battle?

[spice radish]

65/35

[ocean prairie]

Guys removing Thunderlord desyncs demo shout with avatar, do we just use them on cd?

[spice radish]

b>d

[mortal brook]

Def stance is a cooldown not a way of life

[strong forum]

CDs on CD

Unless you need Demo for a specific mechanic

[ocean prairie]

And the one that reduces ravager cd by 30 sec? Same we use ravager without avatar if it becomes ready?

[strong forum]

Huh

Did they change something while I wasn't looking

[rancid ember]

I only go Defensive for specific bosses. RLP 1st & 2nd boss, TJS 3rd boss are good examples.

[round pendant]

Anyones ignore pain tracker WA just break today?

[strong forum]

But anyhow, you don't wait for any CDs to line up with avatar

Just send avatar

[ocean prairie]

Ok thanks

[strong forum]

Waiting for CDs to line up is a rage and dmg loss

[warm plinth]

Can't reduce the CD on Avatar if it's not on CD

[strong forum]

The only time you don't send things is when shit is about to die

Or you hold them for a very specific burn

[spice radish]

is there patch or sth that gonna add 10% dr to avatar?

[strong forum]

Nope

[lofty widget]

next reset

with IO

[rancid ember]

There's a talent

[strong forum]

Datamine bug

[lofty widget]

aww

[strong forum]

Its been data mined since beta

Every single time

And every single time it's wrong

[lofty widget]

didnt make sense tbf

[warm plinth]

Would be kind of redundant anyway since you get Shield wall from Avatar with that talent.

[spice radish]

daym

[strong forum]

But then again

Blizz and having correct patch notes would also be new

But, that thing is not mentioned in the official patch notes

So it's very safe to assume that it's still the same datamine bug

[jagged pier]

i liked the fake patch notes

the other day

that was fun

[warm plinth]

uncapped valor

[flint grove]

one can dream

[south marlin]

Should i use execute as prot war?

[jagged pier]

yes

[split meadow]

hey, i cant seem to find any estimate on the set bonus value. neither 2p nor 4p. any input? ty

[jagged pier]

2pc big value 4pc huge value in m+ okay on ST

[flat sorrel]

can you avatar before the key starts and have it

reset*

[strong forum]

3-4% dmg + Dr gain on 2pc
4pc is hard to put a number on, but it's very good in aoe

No, only 3+ minute CDs reset with key start

[warm plinth]

No, it's not a long enough CD to reset with the key I don't believe; has to be 2 min minimum

[strong forum]

I don't think 2min work either

Think it's 3+

[lofty widget]

it got changed late in bfa to 2+

[jagged pier]

its 3 or higher

[strong forum]

Ah

[warm plinth]

I could've sworn it got changed yeah

to 2 min

[lofty widget]

or SL

[vital oak]

While I’m trying to figure out how to log, what’s the expected cd on avatar? Around 45 sec?

[jagged pier]

nah

[strong forum]

35-45

I think

[split meadow]

i got 3 pieces from LFR and would lose
13 ilvl on head
10 ilvl on shoulders
16 ilvl on hands
compared to my non-set gear. Is it worth it to go for 4p? (I got 415 ilvl tier chest from vault, that one is my best either way).
Or do I rather go 2p with chest+shoulders?

[strong forum]

Yeah 35ish

[strong forum]

What kind of level of keys

[split meadow]

16-18 atm

[strong forum]

Nah then 4pc isn't gonna be all that relevant

Your IP barely gets eaten in those

[split meadow]

only on big pulls or boss abilities, yeah

Alright. Thank you for your help 🙂

[strong forum]

The higher you go the better 4pc becomes

[split meadow]

makes sense

[flint grove]

More value the more IP drops right?

[strong forum]

Yeah

You're also likely to do more dangerous pulls

[lusty tiger]

ur done w s1?

[strong forum]

I'm done with wow until I find a new group

So yeah

[lusty tiger]

the band is breaking up?

[strong forum]

(im not actively looking) so it might take a while

Yeah it's broken up

[polar girder]

Any tips for jade serpent. She is hitting me like an absolute truck. Running out of cooldowns on green phase.

[toxic gyro]

Pins

[flint grove]

How come some folks are running the bleed damage over TL in high keys? Is it simply just for extra damage?

[jagged pier]

[polar girder]

Checking them thanks!

[jagged pier]

because they dumb

but also TLs bad

[flint grove]

Oh?

[mighty valley]

there's a lot of talents to take over TL and bloodborne isn't one of them

[flint grove]

I'm still learning the talent business

[mighty valley]

unless literally the only thing you care about is a tiny percentage increase to damage in huge aoe situations

[lofty turret]

Does shield block mitigate the entire dmg from the Jade Strike from Flameheart and just heal off the dot? or it is all magic based attack

[zinc spruce]

what about in raids

[strong forum]

all her special attacks are fully magic

[zinc spruce]

or just the primal council boss

es*

[strong forum]

the only thing you block on 3rd boss TJS are her melees

unless you activate spell block, then you block the initial hit dmg, it does nothing against the dot

[lofty turret]

shit alright, did an 18 last night without spell block and healing that fking absorb with the fire dot was insane

[strong forum]

the dot is always the same unless you use CDs other than spellblock

the only thing spellblock does is reduce the first nuke

[lofty turret]

we ended up swapping one of the dps to DK just to death strike the dot cause the healer couldnt heal me through it so annoying

[strong forum]

unluck

[lofty turret]

felt bad

[zinc spruce]

curious, damage mitigation abilities like wall reduce dot damage aswell right?

[polar girder]

Yeah it’s super ouch. If your healer isn’t amazing and dps takes too long during that phase you literally just run out of everything.

[flint grove]

gotta save CDs till that phase

[lofty turret]

ya it does

[vital oak]

Dunno if this is basic but do you hold to combine with thunderous roar and/or ravaged or press on cd?

[lofty turret]

might just run shield block x2 for that then

[zinc spruce]

The amount of declines i get lately 🥹

[lofty turret]

spell block is still amazing for that last pack tho with dark claws but ya thats unfortunate how shit on we get for that pull

[flint grove]

What would I replace TL with?

[lofty widget]

battering ram most likely

[mighty valley]

share your loadout and we can check it out

[flint grove]

oh shit yeah

[strong forum]

CDs on CD

always combine

send it all

[mighty valley]

yeah it's reasonable to lust that pack and just chain your cds, a couple should be dead before you run out

[strong forum]

usually you lust 3rd boss 70%

and i doubt youll have it back for that pack

unless you dont need lust on 3rd boss

[flint grove]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQRA just been using this really pretty new to warrior and such still tryna learn what talents I can switch around and such

[mighty valley]

on fort weeks i've currently been lusting first pull and then aiming for that pack, tyrannical weeks would rather lust 3rd boss yeah

[vital oak]

I’m confused then, roar and ravager are 1.5 min, if you alternate them you still can’t press them with avatar at 35 sec unless you hold for 10s

[strong forum]

dont hold CDs

its that simple

[jagged pier]

avatar lasts for how long?

[modern brook]

20s

[lofty turret]

ya we spent like 10mins whiping on the fight even with hero, bad CD management, me not having Punish didnt help also

[modern brook]

Oh

I ruined a learning experience

[vital oak]

So only line them up if they align naturally? Otherwise just go? Thanks.

[lofty turret]

WE tried hero on 1 of the phases too, we just spent too much time in that fkin phase

[strong forum]

literally just full send

this class is just perma full send

[flint grove]

ravanger will come up in the last 10 seconds with avatar up

[lofty widget]

if you can press stuff on cd youre playing the class at like 98 % efficiency

[flint grove]

with what you mentioned above

[flat sorrel]

just got this 0.0

[uneven mason]

Press w

[strong forum]

w

[mighty valley]

get ready to blast

[strong forum]

see ikari predicted me

[uneven mason]

Pin this ultimate guide to protection

[strong forum]

or ordered me?

[deft mortar]

If everyone has in a group of 30

Wouldn't it make sense to execute some guy

xd

For the greater good

than CR idk

[strong forum]

it is an insane prog trinket yes

[jagged pier]

cant block tho

keep that in mind

[mighty valley]

i don't have one, guess you just do it on pull in m+?

[flat sorrel]

dont need to block because everything would be dead if 30 people used it

[opal flame]

what do you pick in academy?

haste?

[mighty valley]

haste

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

still giga bis

2 secs is like 1 melee in raid

[edgy bone]

What ability are you guys using to help kill orbs

[jagged pier]

the healer and dps

because its everyones job

and u cant do it very well as prot

[lusty tiger]

U snipe the far ones with throw

[grand locust]

i post details reports of explosives kills to shame people who arent getting orbs

[jagged pier]

but that shows over kill damage

if u outburst SS one

it will show the full amount

[strong forum]

theres an explosive tracker now iirc

idk if its baseline now or still a plugin

[grand locust]

im using dynamic overall explsovie orbs plugin

[fallen pulsar]

finally passed 2400 io, now I'm at 2401 🙂

only 99 more to go

[fallow nova]

R3 enchants are finally coming down in price. Do we go frozen or sophic?

[strong forum]

frozen if youre not as good

sophic if you are good

[fallow nova]

Well alrighty then

[stable valve]

Even for raid?

[uneven mason]

Enchants, what're those

[strong forum]

for raid you can just sim

[sick sentinel]

did yall know you can los the mana bomb and the dance on AA elemental boss?

like it just completely negates it

[stable valve]

Was about to say, the sim gods still tell me frozen

[solemn current]

I was told this so I tried it on my evoker and got slapped

[sick sentinel]

yea i was just told this and idk if i want to try it

so are you sure 100% it doesnt work?

[uneven mason]

Thanks now they'll nerf that too

[sick sentinel]

wait so this actually works?

[solemn current]

Maybe I misunderstood and you need to LoS before it even goes out but I got the circle went to LoS and died

[sick sentinel]

oh yea you need to los as hes casting

[spring holly]

so what's the tech on dark claw? It can be dodged?

[solemn current]

Spell block or spell reflect

[stable valve]

SR

[uneven mason]

Reflect spell block

Stun, wall and then pray

[spring holly]

ah ok, so no dodging then, thanks all!

[sick sentinel]

Wait

[lilac jay]

Don’t sync it

[sick sentinel]

do bleed damage count as magical damage lol

[fallen pulsar]

nop

[south zealot]

no its physical and not blockable

iirc

[fallen pulsar]

ye

[sick sentinel]

wait so why cant brew stagger bleed?

[south zealot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[earnest nymph]

the wording on stagger says 'attacks'

[strong forum]

bleeds are considered magical for brews

[earnest nymph]

so maybe it just refers to direct hits, whether physical or magical

[sick sentinel]

huhhh

[strong forum]

nah, thats a very specific thing for them

[earnest nymph]

also fwiw stagger applies to magic dam as well so it's not that

[sick sentinel]

so its considered as magical for brews therefore cant be staggered. but its considered physical for war so it cant be spell reflect dr'd

[earnest nymph]

no

brews do stagger magic dam so it's not just because it's magical

[strong forum]

no, it does get staggered, but at a reduced rate, its phyiscal for everyone else

[loud zinc]

It's not considered magical ever, it's just staggered at the magic rate for brew

[strong forum]

^

[sick sentinel]

thats lame

[uneven mason]

You could be a dwarf

[sick sentinel]

or i could be a dk

[south zealot]

bloodshield is stonks

[edgy bone]

Use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS

what is SW SR and DS?

shield wall

[uneven mason]

Spell reflect

[edgy bone]

demo shout

[sick sentinel]

spell reflect and demo

[edgy bone]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

Demoralizing shout

[sick sentinel]

honestly i just type full names lol

its way easier to read

like wall

reflect

demo

[toxic gyro]

Don’t forget about dn

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea what that is lol

[uneven mason]

"full names" abbreviates

[edgy bone]

IV/LS

IV?

LS?

[south zealot]

deez nuts

impending victory last stand

[sick sentinel]

last stand i think?

[toxic gyro]

DeezNutz

[edgy bone]

whats IV

[vital oak]

impending victory

[edgy bone]

impending vic

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

guess the last 3

[toxic pewter]

Hov av rlp

Or maybe hov av aa

[sick sentinel]

hint

i pug most of my keys

[toxic pewter]

Aa not free in my experience

I also dont find tjs free

[sick sentinel]

its HOV TJS AA

lol

i really should do some AA though but i get ptsd from bird boss

[deft mortar]

Bruh why is fkn every other week sanguine

I miss necrotic

[toxic pewter]

Yah bird boss alone is no joke still

[deft mortar]

drop me some necrotic

[south zealot]

necrotic sucks

[sick sentinel]

you dont want necrotic as prot war lol

trust me

[lusty narwhal]

does anyone know the DF calculations of how much HP a point of stam gives? or is it impossible and has like dimishing returns

[deft mortar]

Necrotic sucks for babies who cant leap away

[south zealot]

necrotic is anti tank

its not fun to tank it

omg guys time to run for the 10th time this dungeon

brb

[deft mortar]

Sanguine makes u move more than necrotic does

[gilded ore]

yo question, how do you guys handle 3rd boss Jade in high keys?

[cinder storm]

necrotic was better than spiteful, although it would suck in AA

[lusty narwhal]

@gilded ore rotate cooldowns

[deft mortar]

latest version of necrotic was legit no affix

[lusty narwhal]

spell block/reflect

shield wall

shout

[deft mortar]

move away for 5 secs ez gg

[lusty narwhal]

impending victory

[ruby ridge]

Hi! Is damage from reflected ability affected by my damage increases? For example, battle/def stance, or damage from orbs on 2nd boss Nokhud

[cinder storm]

No

[uneven mason]

No

[deft mortar]

wasnt it sanguine the prev tyra week too

[sick sentinel]

the only thing thats out of ordinary is you dont charge back after the aoe

you kite a lil bit

give your healer more time

[ruby ridge]

Thank you!

[lusty narwhal]

anyone play vulpira know how much dmg/healing their racial does?

[south zealot]

using your defensives in rotations

[sick sentinel]

other than that just pray

[gilded ore]

thats some good tips thanks guys

[sick sentinel]

also mark your healer

so you dont run to the opposite side

i died to that once never again lol

[strong forum]

couple million per key

[toxic pewter]

When I was Vulpera would do like 5-7% overall healing in a dungeon. Such a good race I miss my little guy sometimes

[south zealot]

if youre not pandaren u suck

[toxic pewter]

I am TROLL YA MON LOL

[solemn current]

Anyone know what the go to route for AV is with the nerfs? Particularly whatever most pugs would be used to at 20ish keys? Don't really have the luxury of seeing what other pug tanks are doing and most streamers are all running different things.

[toxic pewter]

I just press w in AV I just timed a 20 no prob

I don’t do skip crap

Can’t hurt to do some double pulls along the way though lol