protection

[hardy snow]

still more than 0 😛 and you can use spell reflect on debuff clear

[median tulip]

He's a joke to me now, but when I was less geared he was harder

[hardy snow]

it gives good dr for that

[stuck basin]

dropping to 1 % making your healers getting heart attack - not good 🤣

[edgy spear]

Kurog fucking trucks in comparison tho

Earth phase when the healing absorbs go out is big yikes

[jagged pier]

nah depends when u get it tbh

i just used cds when if i got it i was in trouble

[median tulip]

my co-tank is a DK, your argument is invalid

[dark pulsar]

How important is it for a prot warri to do explos? I mean Heroic throw minimum range makes it weird and if there is no shield slam up, you have to autoattack, which also feels weird

[jagged pier]

its a healer job

[high drum]

healerrrrrr

[jagged pier]

nearly impossible for u to do it

[edgy spear]

I take first tank slam in earth phase and then take the add. Add frontal + dance + heal absorb means i need to use something to not floor pov. I've been doing Last stand + IV for that one

[hazy thicket]

If you really want to try you have to take out devastator för a spammable ST skill in devastate

Personally I just try to help with ranged ones where reasonable with throw

[jagged pier]

that would be pointless

[hazy thicket]

I agree

[jagged pier]

and make the spec garbo to play

[edgy spear]

devastate

[dark pulsar]

alrighty, thats what i thought. Just canceled a key at last pack, cause DH goes "YOU DONT EVEN DO EXPLOS YOU MORON" and leaves lol

[median tulip]

I can't even remember the last time I used Devastate

I don't even think the explosives proc War Machine

[jagged pier]

they used to

same with victory rush

[median tulip]

Yeah, when they worked with VR it was a giggle

"Today, I will mostly be being immortal"

[jagged pier]

i mean honestly explosives should be dealt with by the ppl that die from them

thats not u

[pallid quiver]

It's mostly to relieve the amount of attention healers have to spend on you, which makes them more aware of catching DPS that made a mistake during prog

So biggest benefits to groups pushing their skill level or WF, which isn't a large portion of the playerbase, but the idea sounds right to people so it spills out to a wider audience

[jagged pier]

u do know WF push for damage right

cause tanks dont die

which is my whole point

[pallid quiver]

Ye

[jagged pier]

tanks dont die

pointless to make your self tankier

[pallid quiver]

It's mostly used for learning or groups pushing skill level

WF if necessary

which it currently is not

so they don't

[median tulip]

Wipes are almost always caused by non-tanks fucking up somehow

[pallid quiver]

but they'll do it if it gives them the ability to clear, even if it's worse

[edgy spear]

Lower ranked groups tend to struggle with some DPS checks. 10k dps is 10k dps no matter if it comes from tank or dps

18k dps difference for pwar on Kurog from 10th to 95th percentile.

[round pendant]

Spell block pretty clutch for last pull in jade serpent?

[unborn aspen]

healer job, in this week focus on playing sanguine correct. You have the most control on this affix in your group.

[edgy spear]

Yes. All the tank busters are spell blockable afaik

[round pendant]

Sucks ass but I've had to throw a fuckin storm bolt at it sometimes which feels terrible

[unborn aspen]

if this happens: your group suck

[round pendant]

[unborn aspen]

iam more like ... yeah this orb is just a rallying cry 😄

[bleak fern]

how important is shield ilevel, should I be prioritising upgrading shield over helm/chest etc?

[jagged pier]

shield most important item

[bleak fern]

ok ty, I'll upgrade my shield

[pallid quiver]

Only source of block value, so

[shut hollow]

Is there a world in which we want the versa crafted chest?

[high drum]

not really

larriat + belt

[shut hollow]

Even without ring?

[high drum]

get ring

its trivial

[shut hollow]

Okay, thanks!

[high drum]

if you make chest you are locking yourself out of either belt or neck

better to make a slot where you can remove the embellish from and keep the 418 item in future

[shut hollow]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

[round pendant]

so belt is a good craft?

I have another spark so I was wondering what to use it on

need to farm primal infusions

[thin shadow]

bonemaw breaks 4p somehow

[bleak fern]

its because your revenge isnt hitting

at least I thought it was

aoe effects are difficult to hit on bonemaw

[prime sphinx]

Yes his aoe hitbox is tiny u need to be right underneath

Roar won't hit either unless ur that close

And tc

[thin shadow]

oh thank you I'll watch for that closer

[amber siren]

Belt and lariat aren't locked in slots to craft

Belt is good if you have the ring, that's pretty much the reason to craft it

Lariat isn't some magical embellishment

[reef holly]

I only do it when I notice an orb is close to exploding- I try to range it and heroic throw

[strong forum]

When you're in a coordinated m+ group and you have 4pc without chest

Then it has quite some value

[orchid mural]

wut

[amber siren]

Which part is confusing?

[orchid mural]

are you saying the lariat doesn't count to your two embellishments?

[amber siren]

Nope, I mean lariat isn't a 'must have' that wildly improves your character that you HAVE to craft

It's 1%~ like every other embellishment

[orchid mural]

ahhh. got you.

[scarlet ember]

Do you guys use spell block in any dungeon or raid even ?

[junior pebble]

its good in TJS for the last pack

[stuck basin]

it helps a lot in ruby ... starting trash 1st boss trash before second boss.... 😉

[sharp bone]

also good for 3rd boss tjs

[amber siren]

There's specific bosses or packs that you can use it for sure, just usually anything that's a spell that's a tank buster or specifically does high damage

[sharp bone]

it aint needed there if your teammates can interrupt

[stuck basin]

i sayd it helps - not thats mandatory 😉

[scarlet ember]

but my question is: does the threat loss from taking the talent is actually worth it ? I have been timing 16 to 18th and i haven't felt the need so far, but is it going to be more mandatory in 20+

[amber siren]

No the threat loss isn't noticeble at all

Just a minor DPS loss, that's it

[stuck basin]

i love to have it for first boss - healers tend to struggle there in ruby... and when its talented anyway there are more uses for it in the dungeon 😉

[amber siren]

you can block the chill AoE with it

[sterile bough]

I just play spell block in all dungeons

if u can spell block a mechanic u can use less ignore pain so u can blast more

[warm mauve]

doing some prot warrior shenanigans

[sudden gazelle]

What was the % you need in halls of valor before going up the bridge?

[young mango]

84.x

[sudden gazelle]

Ty!

[young mango]

Or83.x

The 4 dudes Are 16.xx %

Dont forget ur beer

[flint laurel]

Hey guys i dont know if i have great stat on my Prot : 20% Crit | 26% Haste | 23% Mastery | 10% Versa. I feel like i dont have enough versatility, what do you all think ?

[jagged pier]

your stats are fine

[woeful trellis]

🤣🫶

[unborn aspen]

more vers is obv. better. But since itemlevel > second stats ... You take what you get right ? 🙂

[strong forum]

Andy does 26s with 8% vers

Shit Don matter

[jagged pier]

imma say it

again

vers %

means nothing

[unborn aspen]

okay, then can you go into detail why ? or have a link to a resource i can read up ?

[jagged pier]

we could ask u the same question the other way round

but if u must know

vers is only really strong against magic and bleed damage tbh

but

an extra IP or more IP value will do more than your x% of vers

[steep wraith]

Having a group who stops every scary bit of magic damage is more important than any stats

[jagged pier]

if u have more haste thats obviously more IPs

cause haste

if u have more mastery or crit u stop more physical damage

so IP does more

against the magic and bleeds

[steep wraith]

Get Vers or get haste or get crit, none will do anything near as much as stopping the haunting sha with a stun during it's cast and taking 0 damage

[amber siren]

Good stats and good players aren't mutually exclusive

[steep wraith]

Good stats can't make up for bad play

[jagged pier]

well this is the thing we actually have no bad stats

literally any stats is good

haste better than the rest

the other 3 pretty much equal

[stark jewel]

I just prio what sims tell me, I currently have 5% vers and have 0 issues tanking 18s-20s

havent done anything above that tho

[jagged pier]

yes because any amount of stats are fine

because its come from play

[amber siren]

Yeah for sure, should have said 'good gear' than 'good stats'

[median tulip]

You want to have some Vers because it adds to damage and the effect of it on damage is multiplicative with the rest of your stats. There aren't really any "bad" stats for us, and frankly as long as you have at least 20% Haste you can do pretty much anything else you want and it won't matter all that much

[stark jewel]

ill get more vers when sims tell me to x)

I am the robots slave

[median tulip]

Relying on Vers for defensive benefits is... ineffective, compared to pressing your buttons at the right times

[cosmic basin]

Guys, do you know if the stun clouds in CoS last boss are dispel-able by every healer? Just watched a video about how you wanna instantly stand in them and take the stun and get dispeled for space, but im wondering if every healer can do it

[strong forum]

It's magic

[lofty widget]

it's magic so yes

[jagged pier]

remeber is also take the most vers to get a % and even then 1% is still .5% damage reduction

[strong forum]

^

[jagged pier]

so go crit is will actually stop more damage over a dungeon than the vers

well a bit rng

but likely too anyway

[unborn aspen]

iam absolute on your side that we should play good 😄 But this doesnt help at all, if you think about how to gear yourself right ?

[stark jewel]

I have 31% crit which puts me at 28% parry chance and it feels really good ngl

[jagged pier]

yes it does it makes it easy

[eager phoenix]

end of the day you equip highest ilvl. if you have two items at same ilvl you prio the piece that has haste. if none have haste you need to sim. in cases like rings where one is lower ilvl but has a socket vs one higher without socket you would also need to sim or simply counting how much stat a 410 ring with socket gives vs a 415 without socket. more stat>less stat. getting a headache whether adding 250 mastery or vers wont have any practical impact

[jagged pier]

highest ilvl

[unborn aspen]

i mean u can play naked with a 1h / and a shield a 20 CoS

[strong forum]

Gearing is super easy for tanks

[jagged pier]

then what sims tells u

[median tulip]

Personally my gearing has converged on a ratio of Haste:Crit:Vers:Mastery of 3:2:1:1, which I find works well for defense and offense

[jagged pier]

cause our highest dps stats are good enough to live

[edgy spear]

Str+Stam+Armor >>> secondaries. Ilvl is king

[unborn aspen]

the first thing i said was ilevel >> secondaries

[eager phoenix]

a ratio like this is pointless, just equip highest ilvl. more stat>less stat

[strong forum]

I'm blessed by my gearing rng

[jagged pier]

this is how u gear

[jagged pier]

yes fuck u still got better trinkets than me

[neon elk]

Small tip, if u have healer that doesnt understand why should u take them or whatever , just get a pals hunter or rogue and they can clear them all in like 5 sec with 1CD, idealy during storm to counter 2 mechanics at once

[strong forum]

4.4k crit 3.6k haste just by the virtue of max ilvl gear

[median tulip]

With the number of crafted items that exist in DF at a high ilvl, it's a lot easier to select what stats you want/need on a specific piece of gear.

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

lucky

[strong forum]

Wish I had more mastery tbh

My critblock rate is abysmally low 😦

[neon elk]

U want some ? Im nearly 5k mastery

[jagged pier]

but mastery bad nome C:

[weary saddle]

ha i stack haste i am a haste whore

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[jagged pier]

my stats are actual fucking garbage

[strong forum]

But like, having 1k mastery with whetstone equipped is too low

[median tulip]

I'm actually gemmed for Mastery right now, just to keep the value up a bit

[weary saddle]

i agree stats dun matter much. but having high haste feels super different from low haste. u cannot disagree

[neon elk]

Whetstone and diruna ring is like 1.3k mastery alone

[jagged pier]

3.5K crit 3.2k haste 2.5k mastery 1.9k vers

i need more crit

[strong forum]

That's solid tbh

[cunning knot]

Hey friends - stupid question but does Spell Block block all the small adds applying poison on tree boss in Academy?

[jagged pier]

crit

[strong forum]

No papzy

[cunning knot]

Damn

[jagged pier]

nope

[median tulip]

4.5k Haste, 3k Crit, 1.5 Vers, 1.5k Mastery here

[strong forum]

Spell Block does nothing against tree boss

Literally 0

[weary saddle]

there is a pinned spreadsheet that shows spell block and spell reflect vis a vis every dungeon

[edgy spear]

Crit: 2,645 Haste: 4,004 Mastery: 1,775 Versatility: 2,687

[median tulip]

If you want to make the tree trivial bring a Shaman and have them throw their Earth Elemental at the tree when the adds pop out of the ground. The Ele will soak all of the stacks for you and then explode; makes the whole fight trivial

[cunning knot]

Yeah couldnt find the lasher toxin on the spreadsheet I had so I was just wondering

[cunning knot]

Generally not an issue with a dispel for me, theyre dead before 40 stacks which is manageable

But good tip

[jagged pier]

just take a shocking disclosure pot

and be dwarf

[cunning knot]

always baby

[cunning knot]

staying human as long as we have thundering xD

[median tulip]

It's how I handled it before they nerfed it; was GG and Goodbye

[median tulip]

Do you know what the proc rate is on the Alacritous Alchemist Stone?

[jagged pier]

no

[median tulip]

shame :(

[echo scarab]

Chad Dwarfs

[flint laurel]

Yes i just take what i get, i have the 4p, craft belt and 1h sword. Just i dont know what is the stat we need on prot

[median tulip]

I've been wondering if the Alacritous Alchemy Stone and the Potion Absorption Inhibitor would be worth it

[edgy spear]

Haste/vers or haste/crit is a safe bet

[median tulip]

Do you have over 40% Haste?

(not including ITF)

[spice radish]

40% is kinda too much, you shouldnt be aiming for more than 30-35

you lose a lot of surv for overcapping haste like that

[flint laurel]

I have 26% Haste

Not enough i guess

[spice radish]

my stats

im using the legs embellishment in keys, so kinda pointless going for more haste since i get around 10% from them

[median tulip]

26% is not awful, but you're not getting into even the first level of diminishing returns, so you're safe to put Haste on whatever you craft; next question: is the rating (not the %, the RATING) of any of your other secondaries noticably lower than the others?

[jagged pier]

again

we asked for logs

which u still havent given us

[spice radish]

could provide you with logs and explain a few things if interested

[jagged pier]

we literally asked u 2 weeks ago when u claimed u had them at 5 stacks perma

[strong forum]

At 40% is when you wanna full stop getting haste

But it's not like it's your absolute goal to get there

The stat Dr from 30-40 is only 1% in total

So literally w/e

[jagged pier]

but again stats hardly matter

[wooden widget]

40 with things like into the fray?

[strong forum]

Without

[jagged pier]

andies doing keys at 8% vers

[wooden widget]

Oh geeze

[jagged pier]

so if u think u need vers u dont

[spice radish]

andy has 15% vers in keys

[median tulip]

True, and in addition you've probably got 3% from static talent sources, so DR doesn't even kick in until 33%

[wooden widget]

I went high mountain for the 1 verse

[spice radish]

naowh has 23

i have 24

[strong forum]

Those 15% stem from the trinket he's running because his group also runs idol

[flint laurel]

1982 Crit | 4051 Haste | 1341 Mastery | 2029 Versa. If this is what you need, and sorry i dont have logs on my prot, only on arms

[strong forum]

So he's also running it

[wooden widget]

I’m kidding I went hm for the bovine glutes

[jagged pier]

he has 10% btw 5% from buffs

[strong forum]

3% from Mark of the wild, 2.5 from trinket

[jagged pier]

^

[strong forum]

But any who

It Don matter

[limpid anchor]

Naowh also runs avoividance enchants

Doesn’t mean it’s good

[strong forum]

Wait does he even have druid?

[spice radish]

avoid is better for m+

[strong forum]

Dont think he has now that I think about it

Avoid is better for dh*

[spice radish]

coz aoe things in high keys can actaully kill you

[limpid anchor]

No

[jagged pier]

no

[median tulip]

You have more Vers than I do, but less Mastery and Crit; however you're not exactly pumping any one of the stats in particular so you can do whatever; in your position I wouldn't take any more Vers, but otherwise "Meh"

[limpid anchor]

All the unavoidable aoe is target at the dps and heals, not tanks

[spice radish]

aoe is aoe, there is no target

and these things on high keys actually hurt a lot

vers+avoid can mitigate them

[strong forum]

I mean I kinda get it

[spice radish]

you already have 10% leech from talents which is plenty

[strong forum]

Loads of bosses have unavoidable aoe now which does fuck

[karmic plinth]

Do we know if the Dragon ruby whelp trinket is worth for protection warriors and do we go for the Haste buff or one of the dmg procs ??

[strong forum]

It's not lethal to tanks

[spice radish]

wouldnt say no to more leech but 5% avoid kinda feels better

[strong forum]

But I can kinda see it

[flint laurel]

Ok thank you for the advise

[spice radish]

its not lethal by it self

but with the rest of the damage can be overwhelming some times

[strong forum]

I would never enchant avoid myself

Cuz the most dangerous moments are big pulls

And leech does infinitely more there, but I can understand going for avoidance

[median tulip]

all my avoidance is random tertiaries on drops

[limpid anchor]

Idk you shouldn’t die from it anyway, so it’s not that huge of a benefit for sacrificing self heal in every other aspect of m+

[toxic gyro]

Does avoidance work on hyrja’s frontal or crystal fury mobs frontal?

[void vault]

Hey guys i am thinking in craft primal molten long sword, these are my stats . What you think?

[jagged pier]

stats dont matter craft the sword

[long stone]

besides the ugly transmog :D?

[median tulip]

Your Transmog just crit me for more damage than your stats will ever prevent

[long stone]

^

[void vault]

hahahha i don't know I hate cows 😒

[median tulip]

BE an Orc; best Transmog

[void vault]

Yeah I want to be orc or dwarf

[open gazelle]

@strong forum what the fuck lol just saw your keys, is full tank group really viable??

[jagged pier]

Yes its how they play

I sometimes sneak in but they havent invited me yet this expansion

😦

[strong forum]

We're living proof aren't we

[jagged pier]

Dont tell jdb tho

[strong forum]

We've done up to 29s in SL

Didn't time it tho

We did 22rlp last week, and it's defo timable with a bit more coordination

[open gazelle]

How does that work?

[open gazelle]

How does that work as far as not having a healer and doing the dps for tyrannical week to do them in time @strong forum

[peak lily]

According to the stat prio mastery is the worst stat. Is this defense only? I have so little mastery that it sims the highest for me.

[strong forum]

Just need to pump and coordinate well

It's mainly me tanking, occasionally get 1 or 2 wogs from the paladins, taunt swap on bosses when you run out of CDs

Coordination is key

And you obv need good players that actually know how to deal dmg

Some of our runs are on yt

[strange chasm]

idk i try do 19 i use deff stance and to be honest i have like 0 rage to do anything

[jagged pier]

i mean stance will have nothing to do with rage gen

[strange chasm]

2nd boss rlp i dont have nothing to even pull up ignore pain

[jagged pier]

thats just incorrect play

[uneven mason]

You should see the poor sad DPS that they occasionally drag in, like putting a egg in a bucket of rocks

[limpid anchor]

Do you press ss and tc?

[strange chasm]

ofc i do

[uneven mason]

Seems sus

[strange chasm]

on boss / single i prio outburst for ss

for 3+ i prio tc

[uneven mason]

Wat

[limpid anchor]

What has that todo with rage

[uneven mason]

Are you sitting on gcd

[strange chasm]

200% more

[jagged pier]

we can only tell with logs

[limpid anchor]

That’s not the point

[jagged pier]

but if you have no rage like u say

[strange chasm]

for exaplme 2nbd boss rlp 19

[jagged pier]

u arent playing correctly

[strange chasm]

all was fine till like 2nd add spawn

afaterr this i was liek run out of cd

rage ect

[uneven mason]

Our rage budget is pretty insane

[tacit haven]

Dump less into revenge maybe?

[limpid anchor]

But the add spawn doesn’t reduce your rage gen

[strange chasm]

i mean i just run out of rage

idc

[eager phoenix]

??

[uneven mason]

So do you have any logs

[tacit haven]

Talent out of barbaric training as well helps a lot if you feel rage starved

[strange chasm]

i didnt log that

[uneven mason]

Because I'd you're rage starved that's a rotational thing

[eager phoenix]

BT is poopy talent to begin with

[inland raft]

Is the big tree room pull dead this week? Tried it and had like 30 explosives spawn was the hotfix only for boss lashers?

[strange chasm]

i used standart talents

[uneven mason]

Yeah what build? BT if you have it

[uneven mason]

That's not a thing

[lofty widget]

think it was fixed for both

[limpid anchor]

But do you press ss and tc

Or do you just spam revenge

[tacit haven]

Yeah, 25% damage for 50% rage increase never felt right. (Though the free revenges become big)

[strange chasm]

if i may link here

https://raider.io/characters/eu/burning-legion/Vits

[uneven mason]

You mean the "Starter Build" ?

[strange chasm]

nah

i look at top r.io tank builds

and i picked fron there

[inland raft]

Should be changing talents in almost every dungeon

To tailor your build for them

[strange chasm]

i only add disrupting roar

for better trash controll

[limpid anchor]

You run itf without bolster?

Do you have high enough sb uptime?

[inland raft]

If tour not in an organized group dont run itf wothout bolster can drop sb uptime if you can cover for it elsewhere but id not either hr or bolster

[eager phoenix]

itf is straight worse than hr. If you want itf you need bolster. gaps in sb uptime otherwise

[inland raft]

Thats why dont copy top players, they play a diff game

[uneven mason]

You shouldn't have rage issues with that Build

[strange chasm]

but i have huge problems

i have no ideda why

[lofty widget]

log a run, theres literally no way for us to tell what the problem is

[uneven mason]

Can't really tell without logs

[limpid anchor]

And top players just run whatever bcs it doesn’t matter much as long as you have a good grp

[strange chasm]

ye i mean sure ofc they do

[limpid anchor]

Do you press ss and tc?

[inland raft]

They play for damage

Cuz they use the geoup to cover downtime in defensives

[uneven mason]

But chances are you're missing ss resets and prioritizing revenge over tc

Both of which will get you killed

[warm plinth]

You have logs?

[strange chasm]

sec

[limpid anchor]

Also I don’t think there’s any reason to run disrupting in any dungeon, maybe I’m missing something

[tacit haven]

Biggest issue usually is overuse of revenge if you feel rage starved with that build, or not using shield bash/thunderclap on CD and every reset.

[strange chasm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/burning-legion/Vits?zone=32

i play liek 4 week by now

pls dont judge to hard

idc rly for raid

only m+

[inland raft]

People don’t usually judge per se here theyll just call out what the issue is

[amber siren]

Good for sanguine weeks if you need to move a pack asap

[strange chasm]

i like it in rlp

[inland raft]

Rlp can be good to cover for pugs ya

[limpid anchor]

Your dmg kinda sucks

[strange chasm]

in no is fine to

[inland raft]

It had niche uses

[strange chasm]

ye it does

[limpid anchor]

So I would say you don’t press enough buttons

Which leads to rage starve

[pseudo garden]

I feel like disrupting will be good in brackenhide.

[limpid anchor]

I feel brackenhide will be a reroll the key dungeon

But there aren’t many casts

So I don’t see a reason to take it

[inland raft]

Df dungeons are a flop tbh too much emphasis on kicks and swirlies, xpack is great but thank god they are not just doing current dungeons whole xpack

[whole vortex]

If you can't cleanse you die in brackenhide

[limpid anchor]

That’s why alch is gonna be bis :>

[whole vortex]

And I agree, DF dungeons have way too much area denial mechanics

[uneven mason]

Bracken boss is frigging stupid

[inland raft]

I get they want to keep upping difficulty to keep up with players getting better but they do it the wrong way imo

Idk the answer but more and more kicks and aoe isn’t the answer

[uneven mason]

Oh here is a boss who puts giant shit you have to run away from btw we're artificially forcing you to fight him in a 15ft circle if you leave he resets

[strange chasm]

i feel like i hit wall atm and i cant jump over it 😦

[limpid anchor]

And then giving one heal no kick :>

[warm plinth]

so like...this is not great

[errant sedge]

Jump higher

[uneven mason]

Your ss casts are insanely low

[median tulip]

You should Avatar more; I personally would not take ITF, and I would take SoF and Thunderlord, especially on this 19 RLP Fort I'm looking at, but that's a personal choice

[warm plinth]

You are not pressing SS like...at all

[uneven mason]

You're pressing way too many revenges

[warm plinth]

Your blocked hits are 47%

[uneven mason]

That's why you have no rage

[warm plinth]

You're not pressing anything enough really

[strange chasm]

ok more ss less rev + sb

[uneven mason]

Swap out itf for hr and prioritize shield slam and thundeclap

[warm plinth]

I don't even think he's pressing revenge too much; he's just not pressing other shit enough

[tacit haven]

You can side step that while it’s casting. Just sitestep right as it always goes clockwise.
Biggest issue in bracken m+ is going to be kicks and going in without disease dispell I think.

[warm plinth]

He has no rage

[median tulip]

Without Heavy Repercussions your Shield Block uptime is going to be low; Shield Slam more, proc fish more

[warm plinth]

and yet is somehow wasting a buttload of rage

[limpid anchor]

Maybe he doesn’t have enough vers

[uneven mason]

His revenge casts are the majority of the GCD he is using

[warm plinth]

Shut up Ham LMAO

[limpid anchor]

More Vers should fix it

[uneven mason]

No

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rhoc-shannon-dont-even-go-gif-10021657

[uneven mason]

Fuck

[strange chasm]

atm i got 30h 16v

[warm plinth]

He's memeing

Stats don't matter

This is 10000% gameplay issue

[limpid anchor]

Just press more buttons really

[uneven mason]

Stats are meaningless for prot, don't Fall for it

[limpid anchor]

Spam em

[uneven mason]

We're literally stack ilvl and press buttons

[young mango]

Maybe he is clicking Buttons

[limpid anchor]

Why do top tanks focus specific stats then , huh

[inland raft]

For .1% minmax

[uneven mason]

Because they can

[tacit haven]

@yorg just focus more on shield slam (and thunderclap) on cool-down, and make sure you’re not overwriting your shield blocks before they’re about to expire.

[limpid anchor]

:>

[median tulip]

Shield Block stacks to 3 times the maximum duration

[tacit haven]

Wait what?

[warm plinth]

overwriting shield block is fine

[brittle silo]

Bolster can increase that iirc

[uneven mason]

When you actually get to choose between two 421 pieces then you can debate mastery vs vers

[tacit haven]

🤯

[warm plinth]

He's just not pressing shield block

[inland raft]

Ya as long as saving stacks at end of a pull for the next send it

[warm plinth]

He pressed shield block 12 times in an entire 18 AA

[eager phoenix]

you would only rly waste sb if you pop 1x shield block charge in to bolster in to another shield block

[uneven mason]

#1 rule of prot Press your fucking buttons

[warm plinth]

Bolster goes past the cap

It wouldn't matter

[eager phoenix]

oh yeah

didnt run bolster in longest time 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah because you shouldn't x_x

[inland raft]

Theres no way to actually cap block without insanely high unobtainable haste levels

[tacit haven]

God damnit I’ve been playing around not overwriting shield block for so long holy ducking shit. 😬

[inland raft]

Just make sure hold a charge for next pull

[median tulip]

Nah, just stack it up

[eager phoenix]

its pretty nice just slamming 2x shield block asap on pull so you dont need to think about it for a bit

[uneven mason]

People have nostalgia for bolster from bfa when it was legitimately the talent that saved the spec

[median tulip]

It is possible to cap; it's actually quite easy, especially with HR in play

[tacit haven]

Yeah. I will holy shit this will ease things up so much for me. What the hell… haha

[hardy snow]

there are more Battle Shout casts than SB in this run 😄

[median tulip]

My usual strategy with Shield Block is to try to have 20+ seconds on it at the point where the target gets into Execute range, so I can just dump all my Rage into Execute and GNF about defenses

[warm plinth]

😬

[strange chasm]

so in short more ss much more sb less rev

[warm plinth]

@strange chasm this is my 12 AA (my woyer is just a baby and I'm rusty) vs your 18 AA, about the same length key.

I'm the top one, you're the bottom one

My blocked hits vs your blocked hits

[median tulip]

if you SS more you'll find that you can still Revenj a lot. You should Revenj 1 in every 4 GCDs to maintain tier bonus

[strange chasm]

i mostly play like 2 x rev in row

to proc ss

[median tulip]

Here's what your blocked hits should look like:

[warm plinth]

Well the thing is, you're proccing SS and just...not using it

[strong forum]

SS is your highest prio dmg button

SB is your highest prio mitigation

[warm plinth]

like idk if you pug or what, but your healer absolutely despises you regardless

[strange chasm]

i mean when im looking on my healing done vs healer

it does not looking bad

[warm plinth]

Your healing done is not remotely matter

does not*

[brittle silo]

more dmg taken = more healing done

[strange chasm]

from 18 no tyra

[median tulip]

You should use Shield Wall more as well

[strange chasm]

my heraler pop in me only liek 15 mln /50 mln

[median tulip]

Like... I'm looking at a RLP here and 7 casts in a 28 minute dungeon is just not acceptable

[inland raft]

Also revenge to proc ss is a trap if your throwing all your rage at it and a big hit is coming

[warm plinth]

15 mil healing you're saying?

[strange chasm]

i think it was 15

i looked detalis heal taken

[median tulip]

"my healing is really good" is not a good thing when your mitigation is so low

[warm plinth]

This is the healing done on another 18 AA to the tank

Literally half that

[brittle silo]

how much from that is on birdy boss?

[crystal solstice]

so guilty of this too, i always try to "save it for when i need it" like hand cannon ammo in RE

[warm plinth]

idk I already closed it sorry XD

[brittle silo]

I can imagine like 4th of that

[warm plinth]

Yeah you should just send shield wall unless you know you'll need it soon. It's like a 1 min CD

[median tulip]

I had to specifically train myself out of saving it; except on specific boss fights, you might as well just use it

[warm plinth]

In short though:

1. Press Shield Slam more
2. Press Shield Block more
3. Stop running ItF in keys

That's a good start

[median tulip]

I more or less use it on pull/cooldown, unless I know I need to for a specific mechanic (Hyrja, Kokia and Razageth Phase 3 are the specific bosses that spring to mind)

[warm plinth]

Work on those, then come back after you've had a chance to put them in practice and we can dig deeper

[strange chasm]

i swaped itf for hr

[warm plinth]

Those are 3 very glaring issues that will make a big impact

[strange chasm]

what about bolster should i take it ?

[warm plinth]

No

[median tulip]

No, if you have HR you don't need Bolster

[uneven mason]

And just remember ss > tc > CDs > revenge

[warm plinth]

Oh, #4 also, stop caring about your healing meter

[uneven mason]

IP is off gcd as well so you can press it while pressing other buttons

[crystal solstice]

yeah i got used to doing that with VDH in like SL/BFA but they had way less buttons to press lol

[uneven mason]

But mah IP

[unborn aspen]

is so true for every target count ? is this true when avatar is running ? (i just dont know)

[uneven mason]

It is

[warm plinth]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Ss hits insanely hard, it out damages revenge until 5 targets

[warm plinth]

During Ava you should be doing basically like TC>SS>TC>SS>TC>Revenge>TC (basically pressing Revenge when you don't have an SS proc)

[uneven mason]

TC is part of the circle of life, generates rage while resetting ss and applies rend

[strange chasm]

i thinked i should play around show of force

[warm plinth]

You should not

[strange chasm]

rev > tc

[uneven mason]

During Avatar frequtly you won't have GCD for rev

[uneven mason]

It's a trap

[median tulip]

SoF just happens

[unborn aspen]

for bigger pulls i was like Tc,revenge,tc,revenge (with big dmg cds already running, and obv. funneling rage into ip/sb)

[uneven mason]

Ss will hit harder generally

[warm plinth]

You'll get SoF a decent amount of the time just by playing the spec properly

[uneven mason]

And you want to be cycling rage faster by dumping into IP for outburst

[strange chasm]

ok ty for your time and help

[warm plinth]

That's what we're here for

[uneven mason]

Revenge actually slows down anger management if you're not using every Ss reset

[median tulip]

I go back and forth on the actual utility of SoF TBH

[uneven mason]

I run SD

[median tulip]

Regardless it's not something I play around, it just happens

[uneven mason]

I've also taken that point and put it in battering ram

[median tulip]

I always run Battering Ram

[uneven mason]

I like the buffed SC

[warm plinth]

Well in keys, it's far better than sudden death. Like, it only takes 3 targets to make Revenge better than execute so the only time you're really using execute is on bosses anyway

[uneven mason]

Also double ravager while a DPS loss is handy at times

[median tulip]

Massive Battering Ram crits are a joy to behold

[flat jackal]

gaming??

[uneven mason]

Bosses is generally where pugs struggle at least last time I was able to run keys, frequent have to Solo the boss...so yeah sd

[median tulip]

Nice

[uneven mason]

🤘

For sure not optimal

But valor that thing

[median tulip]

I'm not that fond of Sudden Death because a GCD that isn't either generating or spending Rage is a bit of a Waste, IMO

[alpine holly]

Hey I'm just starting out and Wondering is Strike Twice worth it for the effect over a weapon with appropriate secondaries?

[median tulip]

Yes, it's better than any other weapon of the same ilvl, stats don't matter that much

[alpine holly]

Alright thanks man :)

[median tulip]

Gonna cost you a ton of valor to upgrade it tho

[uneven mason]

Yuk

[unborn aspen]

better farm it on 20 than 😉

[uneven mason]

So is the verdict in and Lariat isn't worth eating a embellishment

[warm plinth]

It's still a good embellishment 🤷 and it is basically a gauranteed bis item

[uneven mason]

Got Lariat and belt atm

[warm plinth]

418 lariat and you're done with neck slot for the season

[median tulip]

Lariat is decent; it's not OMG-THIS-IS-AMAZEBALLS, but it's as good as any other embelishment

[uneven mason]

Ok also have the shield

[warm plinth]

which shield? primal or hearth

[uneven mason]

With griftah sparkle in it right now

Primal, since I can upgrade it myself

[warm plinth]

Do you have one or both of the raid rings?

[spring holly]

what do you guys find is the best site for m+ notes?

[uneven mason]

I think one...that procs from fire

[warm plinth]

Okay then it sounds like your embellishments are fine

[uneven mason]

The other ring is the arcane nuke

[unborn aspen]

what embelishments are best when lariat is not ? Belt (with rings) and ?

[median tulip]

Pair that ring with the frostfire belt

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

Doesn't really matter. They're all around 1% DPS

[unborn aspen]

this is what i was thinking

[warm plinth]

Make whatever you'd make anyway to upgrade the slot. Other than probably the legs since their effect is pretty mediocre

[median tulip]

The Allied Wristguards of Companionship are lowkey pretty good

[prisma arch]

Not saying trinkets needs to get nerfed, but 14% of my dps from trinkets alone is kinda broken no?

[sturdy sable]

I mean its the two best trinkets

[jagged pier]

that revenge damage is giga low

[sick sentinel]

Running 19-20s currently, and my top dmg is almost always revenge. Am I slamming it too much? There a “correct” damage breakdown that I should typically run into?

[hexed cove]

Quick question, back to prot after a long absence and currently maining BDK: Do I have a bunch of useless abilities? It seems like slam, rend, and whirlwind aren't worth ever pressing. I can't think of anything I have in BDK that's completely useless and I'm looking to hear if I'm reading these guides correctly

[fluid shard]

re: Tanking Raszageth heroic. Are there sometimes weird overlaps where you are taunt swapping with both tanks having the jaws debuff and taking huge empowered melee swings? Just started on the fight yesterday so i don't have a lot of perspective here.

[atomic inlet]

hey guys im doin some low lvl content and i just need damage is there anything else i can get for more damage ?

[uneven mason]

You are correct

[jagged pier]

thats supposed to happen

[fluid shard]

so defensive on swap i guess

[jagged pier]

dropp BB for punish

and take the wall

[uneven mason]

Rend isn't worthless but is applied by thunderclap

[sly shale]

hey is there a doc or something that shows all the spell block-able spells?

[jagged pier]

just have block up

[open gazelle]

@strange chasm I get what you’re saying, what has helped me is in between clap and ss globals and when the boss is casting or something I just run out and simply charge back in for rage

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

not really depends on dungeon

[sly shale]

ty

[uneven mason]

This is a result of the great BFA unpruning where they just randomly tossed some "core" abilities back into warriors book

[prisma arch]

Yea just started tanking this season, so still getting a hang of it. What is the optimal dmg for revenge?

[fluid shard]

Do you happen to have logs i could look at?

[uneven mason]

Fury and arms got shield block and shield slam back, prot got ww and slam

[uneven mason]

Generally just behind ss and around tc

[jagged pier]

there isnt an optimal damage i can just tell your pressing not enough most likely

and favouring IP

[hexed cove]

Yeah, I'm going through understanding how this spec works these days and it's a little like it could do with a repruning in some places lol. I have a lot of spells for DK, but at least they're more exciting than spenders that deal damage

[hard birch]

Is Elemental Lairat considered BIS for Prot Warriors? Sorry if this has been asked numerous times 🙂

[hexed cove]

Still fun in the dungeons I just ran. Missed prot a bit

[uneven mason]

DK don't really have any bloat since they never had a "classic" kit

[edgy void]

I just got destroyed by Hirja in HoV.... Shield of Light hitting me for 250k (after absorbing 100k).

Wowhead dungeon guides sais we can dodge that. Can we?!

[jagged pier]

no

[uneven ice]

Wait… SB stacks up????

[jagged pier]

u use a defensive

yes

[edgy void]

I didn't think so...

thanks

[uneven ice]

If i have shield block active with 3secs left and i press shield block again… what happens to that 3 seconds?

[uneven mason]

It's added

[uneven ice]

WHAT

[uneven mason]

Yeah they fixed that in bfa beta

SB stacks to 18s

[quiet monolith]

i still have 385 legs and bracer....

[uneven ice]

i was timming like on pressing the next SB when only 0,3 sec left

[quiet monolith]

and am 399

my mthic items have been garbo

[uneven ice]

Can i press it two times in a row tobget double time?

[hard birch]

SB and IP stacks FYI.

[uneven ice]

Nooooooooooooo

IP i knew

[hard birch]

There's a cap to both.

[eager ruin]

BTW any1 has any good way to deal with 3rd boss on TJS?

[slow pawn]

snd boss in rlp is stressfull

[uneven ice]

SB was a pain to me

[eager ruin]

on 21 and higher key level it is torture

[hard birch]

What level was it?

[amber siren]

First post in pins

[uneven ice]

So, press SB as soon as you can?

[slow pawn]

I got smacked around in 17 shadowmoon on fortified by the bones shadow slash

[amber siren]

Press SB if you're taking blockable hits, yeah

[reef holly]

[eager ruin]

@amber siren thanks a lot

[amber siren]

[uneven ice]

Omg i’m such a loser

So much attention to that

[hard birch]

Dont worry bro, I didn't know IP and SB stacked for the longest time.

I was able to mitigate soo much more damage once I knew 🙂

[amber siren]

You're far from the first person to have that experience, it's p common

[wind lotus]

what's the best trinket combo if you don't have access to raid trinkets? whetstone + ??

[hard birch]

I'm still wondering if the Elemental Lariat is considered BIS for Prot Warriors.

[amber siren]

Spell block helps a ton for those, it'll be up for both packs

[slow pawn]

blaebinders aint terrible

[dusky canopy]

Scale

[warm plinth]

Hooves probably?

[lilac jay]

i would trake whet + idol of trampling hooves

[warm plinth]

Scale is meh

[dusky canopy]

Yeah we don’t need more tanky but it’s an option

[amber siren]

Icon from NOK is Ok too

[dusky canopy]

Blazing hoof so you can own in off spec too

[reef holly]

why is there always one dps that dies to the first sanctify on HoV?

[blazing condor]

Dps have no brain

Try and pad

[dusky canopy]

Zug zug lyfe

[lilac jay]

why is there always a dps that gets beamed in HoV 😄

[reef holly]

Maybe they think the gold balls will actually give them gold

[slow pawn]

lol

[bleak fern]

naowh is using ruby whelp shell, anyone know which buff he went for on it?

[slow pawn]

its def better now that we can see it but it took them so long to fix that and cos lines

im not sold on ruby

[median tulip]

Hyjra's hitbox is massive tho; you can melee and still dodge the gold balls

[dusky canopy]

Pull shield maiden separate

[blazing condor]

You can give dps a 5 second telegraphed wind-up of an ability and they’ll stare right at it like

[dusky canopy]

Otherwise rip melee

[vast goblet]

wait you mean the sanctify balls dont give you a damage buff if you survive them?

[amber siren]

Huge hitbox and 2:3:2 means no excuse to get hit

[reef holly]

Dude I legit could not see the lines on COS before they changed it

[sweet summit]

sorry for existing i guess :/

[blazing condor]

Dw you wont exist much longer

[sweet summit]

thanks

[median tulip]

I was using Potions of Inky Darkness for CoS last boss

[amber siren]

[vast goblet]

I was using inky black potions just for that because my boomer eyes were failing me

[lilac jay]

Also FYI:
At third Boss in Shadowmoon Burial Grounds (Bonemaw) if u dont stand at the edge of platform (kinda meelemelee) u dont hit him with revenge and thus dont get the T-Set proc Vanguard's Determination

[slow pawn]

I feel like they keep nerfing warrior its gonna go back to season 2 legion levels

[median tulip]

I have like 200 of those potions in my bank now, FML

[modern brook]

Ergaw

[slow pawn]

or bfa launch lol

[uncut notch]

Spell block makes that do literally nothing, fyi

[sweet summit]

[reef holly]

Wow did not know about this

[median tulip]

For the Record, Valdrakken looks much much cooler in Inky Blackness

[flint grove]

is the engineering helmet worth crafting?

currently stuck between crafting 418 boots or engi helmet

[reef holly]

How are you guys opening a first pull? Avatar then shield block? I usually avatar, charge, TC and the SB

I'm probably getting hit a couple of times

[errant sedge]

Rings no options for you? @flint grove

[slow pawn]

avatar charge shield charge is normally what im doing

then cds

[flint grove]

got first two mythic on farm so eggnog ring is a high chance

and I am too invested in CoS to not keep going for the ring rn

[slow pawn]

that fucking ring

[flint grove]

i've done like 20+ runs never even seen it drop

or the trinket

or the boots

[marsh axle]

is the CoS ring that good?

[flint grove]

yes

[flat jackal]

Wait what did I miss

[slim dove]

effect is worth like 100 dps over avg key.

[marsh axle]

whoa

[slim dove]

its bis but not like...life changing.

[slow pawn]

im just tired of seeing warrior nerfs I understand why but buff others

[marsh axle]

lol

[long stone]

what nerfes xD

[flint grove]

i'm farming cos for the trinket but never seen the ring drop

[slow pawn]

isnt avatar thunderclap cd going away?

[slim dove]

nothing on wowhead

some dumbass has been linking fake patch notes filled with prot nerfs.

[flint grove]

kek

[long stone]

luuul

[marsh axle]

lol

[slim dove]

some salty BRM made it to scare his buddy

said buddy posted it here as jokes

[reef holly]

[slow pawn]

lol

brm was like top tier for how many expacs

[slim dove]

people dont realize brm is sleeper as fuck and after 10.0.5 hits, their damage will go through the roof.

[reef holly]

Hey do you guys use any auto-mark WA's for casters?

[slow pawn]

my brain aint large enough for brm

[reef holly]

I've been pugging with some people who have it and it looks like a good idea

[slim dove]

its not hard, was just rough early expac in low keys

need the damage intake to spawn orbs to keep yourself up

[slow pawn]

I just feel like ill die trying to et an orb or not cler stagger

[hard birch]

What are the two best rings then?

[uneven mason]

It's so strange BRM is the bigbrain tank

[slow pawn]

idk which tank has the most defensive cds to manage

with spell block I feel warrior has alot

[spark nest]

Who even uses spell block?

[sick sentinel]

Someone doesn't know how Brew damage works

[dusky canopy]

Honestly DK or paladin have the most, no?

[sick sentinel]

oh look its the brewlluminati's again

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is basically zug zug SB sometimes wall

[sick sentinel]

SURELY SOON WE WILL RISE BROTHERS

DK is honest to god the best tank when compared to warrior

[slow pawn]

isnt damage lower?

[sick sentinel]

at least for keys, probably for raid

[dusky canopy]

Idk about all that LOLOL

Warrior for life

[mental tide]

boring life

[sick sentinel]

DK has alot going for it, grabby hands, ranged spell lock, MC undead, brez,

[slow pawn]

the first pull of m+ is always a fun experience for dk

[dusky canopy]

I don’t understand DK gamers I can’t vibe with it at all

[sick sentinel]

i'd complain about dk magic mitigation but we have improved IP and spell block now

[dusky canopy]

Slow as shit always sweating about death

Not for me

[sick sentinel]

dk is fuckin lit, just mash go on the death strike

[weak snow]

charge alone is why i play warrior, 2 charges , intervene, dragon rush, shield charge is why i'll never swap off of prot

[dusky canopy]

Prot owns

[slow pawn]

dk doesnt have a fun time with long range explosives if healer is not doin them

[sick sentinel]

true, just if there is 1 tank i WOULD compare to tanks and say, they are probably on par or better, thats DK

[slow pawn]

warrior just throw an axe

[spark nest]

And don't forget your leap.

[weak snow]

leap is sexy too

[sick sentinel]

dk is insane in its ability to live after they should be dead already

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is just litt

[sick sentinel]

and to restabilize a group

[spark nest]

DK and DH are the only two tanks I consistently see be the last-man-standing for Wipes, and then just.... Keep going, indefinitely.

[dusky canopy]

Meh

[weak snow]

dk's great the only thing i am jealous of their kit is the death's advance ability

[dusky canopy]

Warrior is cooler

[sick sentinel]

dk is equally as cool

so is DH

[vast goblet]

nah its a little less cool

[sick sentinel]

ppal, brew, gaurdians all losers

[dusky canopy]

[sick sentinel]

the other tanks i listed gigachads

[dusky canopy]

No doubt

[hard birch]

The Prot guide on Icy-Veins mentions, "Luckily there will be no valor cap", but valor is capped. Am I missing something?

[slow pawn]

ugh being a prot pally on dathea sounds like aids

[dusky canopy]

It’s capped

[vast goblet]

nope its just capped

[dusky canopy]

Dath is my guilds Bain of existence right now

[median tulip]

I just enjoy the fact that DK and DH are all like "we harness the unearthly power of Undeath/Demons in order to tank gods" and Protection Warrior is just "I'm Too Angry To Die"

[dusky canopy]

Bear can’t survive boss plat during platforms

[slow pawn]

bear needs some love

[dusky canopy]

He says he’s using survival instincts for 3rd/4th stack but he just gets cheeks clapped

[slow pawn]

they have two dsiplacments dont they wit ha form shift?

im sure you could macro that

[median tulip]

One of my guild tanks is a bear; he's currently gearing up a BrM to swap mains to

[dusky canopy]

No shot at all that you can go out of bear form

The wind cast trucks

We can mitigate easily

Bears cannot

[slow pawn]

well that sucks use a tornado then

[dusky canopy]

At least

Not my guilds bear

[fallen pulsar]

Have you tried getting the tank that goes platform to take an extra stack before leaving

Worked for me when my paladin cotank was getting slapped off

[slow pawn]

dathea should honestly die in two platforms anything over that and its complete stress

at least Heroic im not gigachad enough for mythic

[dusky canopy]

Yeah so my RL keeps telling bear we have to do 4 stacks.. I’ve suggested that we do the swap at 1-3 then 3 the rest of the fight strat for next raid night hopefully that helps

[sick sentinel]

If you're dying on dathea as a bear that's a hands problem.

[slow pawn]

I know we normally swap at 3

before add

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah we swap at 3

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I’m thinking 3 is the play

Bear keeps going 100 to 0 on fourth stack

And not only that

But the knockback is far enough that a melee gets clapped on the 4th stack knockback

[fallen pulsar]

Is this mythic? Because 4th stack does like nothing on heroic

[dusky canopy]

It’s heroic………

I know……

[fallen pulsar]

Rip

I’ve lived through like 6-7 stacks on heroic

[weak snow]

should be able to do 4 stacks easily on heroic, if my cotank brm can tank the hits a bear can...

[slow pawn]

popping external on them before slam?

[dusky canopy]

Nando so can I

[fallen pulsar]

Yeee

[dusky canopy]

It’s incredibly easy with our charges

[fallen pulsar]

Just saying dying to 4th seems wild to me

[dusky canopy]

And practically can mitigate with just datance

[weak snow]

is he dying from the dmg debuff or the blowback?

[fallen pulsar]

But I havent touched bear

[sick sentinel]

LMAO

[dusky canopy]

He gets knocked back and then the wind cast smokes him

[sick sentinel]

no shot you're blaming the spec when you're dying on heroic

[dusky canopy]

No no it’s the player we know

[weak snow]

does he take the boss first? cause the 4th one shouldn't come with a ranged cast post knockback, should go straight into summon ad

[dusky canopy]

Just talking about it to farm some ideas

[weak snow]

if yo co tank with him you can taunt right after zepher to prevent the range cast from being out of melee

[dusky canopy]

No Prot takes it first (I trade off with RL for Prot spot)

Oh shitt crusty!

Now that’s the kinda info I like to hear

I’ll suggest this too

[fallen pulsar]

Dont bears have any magic dr? To make the ranged blast hurt less

[dusky canopy]

His mitigation was averaging 50%

On the log

He says he uses SI for 3rd and fourth stack

And barkskins if those are out

Anyhow thanks for the chat boys! back to work..

[uneven mason]

Do you have a log?

[dusky canopy]

It’s not a good one but any means but yes let me dig it up

[marsh steeple]

hey. @shrewd oasiserpent dungeon. @3rd boss. does it make sense to use "last stand" before you get the initial hit. or after?

in jade phase

[uneven mason]

Just curious what build the druid is running and if they're planning the CDs properly, haven't done bear yet this xpac because I vomit every time I have to put points into fucking boomkin

[dusky canopy]

I dmd, you’ll notice the last few pulls RL wanted to mess around with me as 3rd tank that’s obviously not the play lol

[uneven mason]

If you're considering 3 tanking any raid fight you're probably way off base with you're understanding of mechanics 😉

[deft mortar]

wtf is up with healers leaving dungeons

[dusky canopy]

Yes yes I know this

[deft mortar]

fker left a 8 death run rgiht before Skovald

[jagged pier]

ppl only care about score now

[dusky canopy]

Just did what was asked

[deft mortar]

because he doesnt need "untimed"

His best HoV is world 100k

My best HoV is world 2k

[uneven mason]

They do realize that the scuffed key goes on their record

[dusky canopy]

Pug life

[deft mortar]

He died to Fenryr aD

xD

even funnier is that he plays resto shaman

[dusky canopy]

Healer sand bags key

Leaves

[deft mortar]

And if I bully these ppl I get banned

[dusky canopy]

What else is new?

[sick sentinel]

people don't believe pug life is real until they try for themselves

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s nuts how you casually farm the 16s-18s with the homies then slap your key into lfg one night in your own and it’s a complete shit show

That’s just how it is though

[deft mortar]

Ye next time I play M+ I want fkers in the same room as me lmao

lan party or no key

[dusky canopy]

[reef holly]

#puglyfe

[dusky canopy]

“Lan party”

[reef holly]

the beginning of this week was BRYTAL

BRUTAL*

[deft mortar]

Dude tells me his world top 1k shaman healer and I am world top 6k prot warr

Buddy its because none wants to play garbage

xD

[dusky canopy]

@uneven mason just noticed the bot message saying you couldn’t receive messages that’s what the add was for

Rip it after nbd

Trust me when I tell you that log is NOT stellar gameplay lmao

[oak echo]

you use it after for the heal

[dusky canopy]

We’re like a casual heroic team

[deft mortar]

lmao the shaman made an alt in my serv to talk shit

[polar girder]

whats a good haste number i should be shooting for?

[deft mortar]

I thought 30% was soft cap

[polar girder]

kk

[spring holly]

so after 30% haste what becomes best? crit/vers?

[dusky canopy]

150%

**

More haste more better

[sonic eagle]

Do we all agree ruby welp shell is dogshit? or?

got 421 in my vault :/

[deft mortar]

I just dont like trinkets like that

eccentric

[sonic eagle]

i have 405 back with haste vers and can take 421 haste crit instead (with mostly haste)

so im thinking the back is the choice

[earnest nymph]

I'm trying to write down cooldowns in a note for dealing with JSS on temple third boss -- how many JSS's should I reasonably expect to have to live in a +20 you think? and ik it depends on dps, etc etc

I have things laid out to live 7 of them but not sure after

[strong forum]

Maybe like 4 or 5

[earnest nymph]

okay well that just makes me hate this enh shaman more last night

[strong forum]

In my 17 tyr from 4 weeks ago I had 3 I think

Could be wrong on that tho

[earnest nymph]

I ran out of juice on the 6th one in a 20 last night and the shaman goes not that hard to rotate CDs and leaves the group

so now I'm writing them out in a MRT note

[deft mortar]

If you go Immovable Object it helps alot for that boss

but the cost is great in terms of dps

Cuz u get shield wall like every 45 sec

pretty sure u can solo survive it with IO

[reef holly]

I just got the whelp shell after a 13 RLP to replace my puzzle box, please don't tell me its shit. I always forget to use the puzzle box

[sonic eagle]

but puzzle is also shit for tank haha

i also got that in my vault 421

monky trinkets in vault

[reef holly]

which one is less shitty? haha

[sonic eagle]

I think ruby is better that puzzle tbh

[earnest nymph]

at what key level

[sonic eagle]

But idk

[spring holly]

what does everyone think is the dream two trinkets from m+?

[earnest nymph]

in like 22+ I'm seeing people doing degen shit like having a havoc meta taunt a JSS to live

[deft mortar]

U might be able to have

Reflect + Demo > Shield Wall > Avatar-ShieldWall > Last Stand + Impending Victory to go trough it

Well avatar prio

Enduring Alracity 5% stam helps too I suppose

wish BSV worked like Purgatory T^T

would make our life giga easier

[ornate wagon]

is the only way to time azure on a 20 the frog skip?

[earnest nymph]

current plan is this:

[deft mortar]

lmao maybe jesus

[ornate wagon]

hahahahaha

[foggy mist]

hey guys, how do i sim my gear as tank?

[earnest nymph]

can only sim dps to my knowledge

[foggy mist]

raidbots only showing me whats best for DPS

[ornate wagon]

7 green strikes?

[foggy mist]

well damn

[ornate wagon]

you doin a +35?

[foggy mist]

how am i suposse to know if i should pick lower ilvl with vers or higher that has crit and/or mastery?

[earnest nymph]

you're assuming that dps is always stellar

[ornate wagon]

true lol

where is your health pot and IV in that plan

for the heal absorbs

also LS

oh last one

[earnest nymph]

yeah I was just putting this together, haven't put a lot of thought into it yet to be honest

[summer eagle]

Generally always highest item level pieces, strength > all

[earnest nymph]

was just gathering info

[ornate wagon]

IV is every other green strike btw

[earnest nymph]

nice

[outer sun]

So question is whelp shell now better then whetstone and if so what buff do we take on whelp?

[ornate wagon]

so i run IV 1st, Pot 2nd, IV 3rd, 4th we pray

[toxic gyro]

You can use trinket from first raid boss too. You absorb shield the absorb shield

[ornate wagon]

oh 4th is LS

[earnest nymph]

adjusted a bit:

[sharp lake]

Worth it to drop the 418 for the 408 to get 4piece? I simmed it and it says -232 dps loss but I don't know if it tracks setbonus in the sim

[median tulip]

There's an argument for lusting the middle phase on the 3rd boss; first and last phases ain't shit to deal with, and burning though that dangerous middle phase is probably safer

[earnest nymph]

yep this is still assuming lust is used

[median tulip]

Catalyst next week I think?

[earnest nymph]

we used it there

[toxic gyro]

Dps wise no, Defensively yes, especially for m+

[outer sun]

ya

[languid light]

pretty sure SpB is long enough to cover 2

[earnest nymph]

I think so too

[outer sun]

with 421incarnate is whetstone or whelp shell the play?

[civic fox]

I'm sure yall get this question a lot (sorry), but I sometimes tank for my m+ group as an off spec. I'm not the most knowledgeable about prot, but man it seems like I get chunked by every tyrannical 20+ boss through shield block + ignore pains. Is this normal? Do I need to pretty much open every boss fight with demo shout into wall, etc...?

[sturdy sable]

I actually dont think its as big of a loss as you think

[earnest nymph]

it completely depends on what fight and what is chunking you

[sturdy sable]

But its early lol ill sim it and get back to you

I may still be just waking up

[earnest nymph]

in general no, I can't think of any boss where you'd open the fight with wall up

[sharp lake]

Yeah I was going to use it for catalyst but I had the 4pc sitting in my bag

[civic fox]

I figured it varies, but as an example last night first boss SBG's tank buster (forget the name of the ability) was dropping me to 10-20% consistently it felt like.

[earnest nymph]

yep you need a timer/alert when the attacks are buffed on that fight

[outer sun]

in a 20?

[earnest nymph]

one charge can be reflected

then rotate CDs as any other tankbuster mechanic

[civic fox]

yeah

[outer sun]

did ignore pain drop?

[lofty widget]

reflect 1, IV another, let healer deal with the last one

[earnest nymph]

tyr 20 smacks you pretty hard on that boss

IP is not enough to deal with it solo

[outer sun]

i did 24 this week and didnt fall that hard]