The stacks only give you damage
#protection
sleek rock
why dont people take barbaric training? i dont have an issue casting revenge once every 5 secons even with the increased rage cost
warm plinth
You take damage from picking them up but you don't take increasing damage the more you soak or anything
And the damage you take from picking them up is very minor
sick sentinel
because barbaric training is not good
tender cove
You take damage from picking them up but you don't take increasing damage the mo...
Yeh, but if i cant take them up and they just let them go into boss, thats worse right?
warm plinth
why dont people take barbaric training? i dont have an issue casting revenge onc...
Because A.) you're making Revenge VERY inefficient; it's a 50% rage cost increase for a 25% damage increase, and B.) You should be pressing Revenge way more than once every 5 seconds.
sick sentinel
so is it just how many ever stacks i can handle without dying?
tender cove
I honestly dont think i have time to get all 5 alone
warm plinth
Yeh, but if i cant take them up and they just let them go into boss, thats worse...
Yes, that's worse. But like...you should take 1 or 2 and each DPS and the healer should take 0-1
mighty valley
so is it just how many ever stacks i can handle without dying?
there's no dot or anything, it's all upside, just soak every one near you
sick sentinel
im not sure if there is something about he does a wipe spell like fat boss in WCM or gunker or countless other stationary bosses
warm plinth
Dancing around as tank on a fight with a big frontal is not a great idea
mighty valley
the only time you're taking too many is if your healer doesn't get enough
warm plinth
im not sure if there is something about he does a wipe spell like fat boss in WC...
A wipe spell?
If you leave melee, he will do a cast on you, and only you
Which you can reflect
sick sentinel
yes, like on gunker and fat boss wcm, if you are not in melee range, they start a spell, that unchecked wipes the group
tender cove
Yes, that's worse. But like...you should take 1 or 2 and each DPS and the heale...
It was just a shit run from start to finish. We wiped twice because nobody did the far away explosives and guess who they blamed. And then vex just went to shit cuz people died from orb +explosion and then they all blamed me for orbs "its your job, do it" and the usual, "you're just a trash tank that cant" xD
warm plinth
so is it just how many ever stacks i can handle without dying?
Stacks are not going to kill you. There is virtually no downside to soaking orbs besides the very small amount of damage they deal when they're picked up.
mellow harbor
man i swear sometimes i just press spell block and die its like it doesnt register as fast as spell reflect
sick sentinel
wether just extra strong melee, or some mechanic
steady steppe
how am i looking at a prot warrior in SBG with 29% SB uptime on an 18
restive oak
they should blame the healer
mighty valley
if you leave melee range, he starts shooting you with a spell. you can spell reflect one but you want to be back in melee before he casts a second
warm plinth
Yeah as soon as he begins casting the first one, you charge back in
tender cove
if you leave melee range, he starts shooting you with a spell. you can spell ref...
so thats why i died.
sick sentinel
thats yogi 29% SB in 18 sbg
warm plinth
You don't need to leave melee to gather orbs, just stand between them and the boss
That's atrocious
tender cove
maybe they were right, i am a trash tank then lmao
warm plinth
Blocked hits and all that but that is garbage
tender cove
ohh well, you win some, you lose some xD
warm plinth
so thats why i died.
He was talking about Raging Tempest here, not Vex
mighty valley
it's an sbg, easy to imagine bad players getting carried through
alpine solar
is all totem of the master good?
tender cove
He was talking about Raging Tempest here, not Vex
ohh
sick sentinel
whats the reason i don't park final boss next to pillars
warm plinth
It's probably like top 3 in M+
alpine solar
what about eranog trinket?
sick sentinel
just fuck loads of dmg on group?
warm plinth
It's okay, nothing fantastic
tender cove
fuck, i really wanted to time this stupid AA and now im back to a 17 and still have todo AA xD
warm plinth
whats the reason i don't park final boss next to pillars
Final boss of what
sick sentinel
thats a tricky boss for some groups regardless, not hard, but timing with dps cooldowns
so that we have enough time to klill add in time
sbg
mighty valley
what pillars
warm plinth
There's not even pillars on that fight
tender cove
daggers, harrow
warm plinth
It's a round platform
tender cove
ranged should bait to the sides
sick sentinel
giant purple verticle magic beam pillar
warm plinth
Oh
tender cove
There's not even pillars on that fight
he means the daggers
mighty valley
yeah you don't park next to them because they do damage
warm plinth
Ranged should bait them far, melee/tank should bait malevolence away from ranged
sick sentinel
its only damage is what i want to clarify
warm plinth
Yes, it's only damage
sick sentinel
like i wondered if they healed him or buffed him or some dumb crap
mighty valley
no they just do a ton of damage
tender cove
like i wondered if they healed him or buffed him or some dumb crap
nah, just super high damage and higher closer you are
sick sentinel
one of our groups was wiping because we couldn't decided to which add we were attacking
warm plinth
Just mark one with a skull
tender cove
one of our groups was wiping because we couldn't decided to which add we were at...
its your job to mark one
sick sentinel
so i told them "its more about that someone picks one, and we gang up on it with you"
warm plinth
Or say ahead of time to just kill 2nd from the right every time or whatever
tender cove
Or say ahead of time to just kill 2nd from the right every time or whatever
doesn't work in pugs 9/10 times because no bait
sick sentinel
like, as long as they aren't trying to kill the adds that has 3 daggers beside it, long as someone starts the attack motion early
mighty valley
marking is ideal but usually people just follow the tank's lead
tender cove
I am so confused
they look almost exactly the same?
mighty valley
so just make a good choice
warm plinth
I don't think they look anything alike, and I'm colorblind 😂
mighty valley
the daggers don't do anything until they fall, the final boss zones just appear
tender cove
both are purple in my eyes, maybe im colorblind too xD
mighty valley
basically everything in that dungeon is purple to me
warm plinth
They might both be purple but I mean one is dark and one is bright
tender cove
like, as long as they aren't trying to kill the adds that has 3 daggers beside i...
Try charging to one of those adds quickly and people will follow you 😄
you really want to charge them while they're walking too, thats the pro move that wont get you killed
sick sentinel
i just sorta like, line the boss up with the add i see someone attacking or that is probably best to kill, group or raid marker it if i really want to
tender cove
if sarcasm doesn't translate well, dont charge them xD
sick sentinel
i figure its more important to control the boss malevolence ability cone
warm plinth
You can't really control it; it goes on a random target anyway
Worry about the add
People just have to move out of the cone
tender cove
i figure its more important to control the boss malevolence ability cone
if you are early and move him into the adds, he usually shoots its towards the adds instead of the group
tender cove
You can't really control it; it goes on a random target anyway
it wasnt always random though? I want to remember I did the position of that ability? Or i just dream that?
warm plinth
It's always been random
tender cove
even when it was current?
warm plinth
You can "bait" it by having every non-ranged on the opposite side from the ranged but even then he could pick the ranged
sick sentinel
you can still affect where it will land
if its on you
and that shit makes ppl hit do 50% less dps
warm plinth
You can only have a chance to affect where it will land
You can't guarantee it
If they stand in it then idk what to tell them; it has a forever long cast time
sick sentinel
it seems like ite often goes on me,
warm plinth
I mean that may be your personal experience but that isn't how the mechanic works. Obviously you can get lucky but it's completely random.
warm plinth
even when it was current?
No idea, I bailed on WoD long before I did any dungeons because it was boring as fuck
tender cove
I mean that may be your personal experience but that isn't how the mechanic work...
There's something to what he's saying. Maybe its just anecdotal and random experince for me. But there's something when the adds spawns and him being ontop of them. Its been to consistent for it to be 100% random
sick sentinel
i bailed on wod during the free weekend trial and so much hard i gave up on wow i didn't play again until BFA
warm plinth
Yeah because if he's on the add and the melee are all on the add...
sick sentinel
been back ever since
warm plinth
Then there are a lot of people baiting
tender cove
Yeah because if he's on the add and the melee are all on the add...
yeh, that makes sense 😄
hidden tree
question....trinkets for prot....Sustaining Alchemist Stone, good or bad? Thoughts?
hidden tree
gotcha.
sick sentinel
i am forever ring less
2 rings haste versa 1 valor +12 drops
didnt get either
MADGE
warm plinth
Go for whetstone, trample, blazebinder from M+ and grieftorch, all-totem, maybe deco of flame from raid
Ideal combo would be whetstone + all-totem imo
hidden tree
gotcha. thanks!
fair elm
We progged Heroic Broodkeeper tonight. Was fun. But any feedback on this? I'm the BDK but trying to see what we could optimize. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y8dRrxQ74MLnCkpw
Specifically at the kill an later pulls, but yeah
warm plinth
Or whetstone+ grieftorch in raid/lower keys
fair elm
Not as familiar with Prot Warrior
mellow harbor
checked the log died with spell block active because it didn't immune double dark claw + haunting gaze in +21 jade
warm plinth
Well, first of all it doesn't immune anything. Second, you still need Shield Block up to guarantee blocking. Third, you still have to be facing the mob to block them.
mellow harbor
well obsivously wouldnt turn my back to the mob
warm plinth
Should be more than 30% I would hope 👀 Unless you have like a 300 ilevel shield
Like that one dude who came in here like hey would upgrading my 372 shield to 418 be a big difference? I'm doing 22 AA and getting blasted by tree boss add melees
mighty valley
i haven't read a number in a million years
warm plinth
Numbers are for nerds amirite
slim dove
Ideal combo would be whetstone + all-totem imo
What I use for m+. Love it.
sick sentinel
finished 75 to 100 cooking for just 196 gold
only need the spices on AH, that was fast easy
sick sentinel
i have a bunch of haste mastery food in my bags now, so no.
I hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
warm plinth
I think my rogue's crit/vers food cost a whopping 4g each
idk how I will ever afford to keep using it
sick sentinel
even more so now that i have 2 hour food buff belt that it persists through death
warm plinth
Or maybe it's agi food; I can't remember what I bought tbh
sick sentinel
bro, i will never need to purchase buff food ever agin, and may have interest in crafting feasts
warm plinth
lmao
sick sentinel
if food buff is this nice
warm plinth
Having perma food buff is nice. Gonna be sadge to lose it next expansion
sick sentinel
need one of those for thet awugment runes too
visual moat
the mini boss before last boss? ye
radiant pewter
ye how muc h
visual moat
not sure off the top of my head but i think it's a decent chunk
sick sentinel
6% I think?
visual moat
man, alchemical pocket pussys still like 100k on my server 
visual moat
i bought one on my druid week one for like 12k
slim dove
6% yes.
dire vessel
what ilevel is minimum to tank H Raz?
sick sentinel
and yeah generally speaking 6%is most forces a single monster can give, they are always elites immune to many forms of cc and hit very hard
dire vessel
is this enough?
slim dove
yes your fine.
dire vessel
yes your fine.
thanks
hidden ether
any advice for a 17 HOV key?
slim dove
any advice for a 17 HOV key?
know what CDs your gonna use on hyrja ahead of time, and in what order.
thats it, rest of dungeon is up to healer/dps playing their classes correctly.
hidden ether
for the knock backs im assuming?
slim dove
yup
hidden ether
any advice on what classes to bring to make it easier?
wooden widget
For a fight like that do you guys usually plan on using shield wall first
To try and get it back
slim dove
usual meta shit
sick sentinel
it is possible but not reccomended to run spell block for hyrja gold balls
slim dove
pls dont take spell block to sit in sanctify.
hidden ether
if only you could refelect them 😐
dont think its a dungeon worth switchign for the cleave meta classes to more raid ST meta? or are they so close to the same it doesnt matter?
slim dove
so close it doesn't matter.
sick sentinel
the balls hurt, i know you can avoid and its easy, but easy to get tripped up and hit too
slim dove
classes ability to self sustain matters more. lock, dh, monk, rogue
wooden widget
The sanctify balls are by far the easiest part of that fight
hidden ether
I just hate the DPS loss for melees
wooden widget
I wouldn’t take an entire talent for something avoidable
keen arch
Now that you can see them yeah
visual moat
pick the classes that wont stand infront of the shield maidens 
hidden ether
its 0 dps loss now.
safe to stand in melee now?
slim dove
I always point shield maiden into the wall
? kite them in a wide circle.
you dont need to be getting hit by mortal hew or the armor debuff.
slim dove
safe to stand in melee now?
yes. The balls are very easy to dodge.
hidden ether
? kite them in a wide circle.
oh i was confussing shield maiden with Aspirant
sick sentinel
medium easy, there is tons and they travel quickly
slim dove
aspirant line is a 5degree frontal with a massive windup
if dps get hit by it, whatever. reality check for some dumbass.
visual moat
the change to the orb visuals made it alottttttt easier to dodge em
slim dove
actually cba tanking things in some asspained way so dps can afk target dummy even more then normal
sick sentinel
still have to do it or go boom
hidden ether
well just got invited to a pugs 16 so ill sample that guy out first lol
hidden ether
even with explosvies?
vernal sky
should i spend my valor on upgrading my blazebinder?
slim dove
even with explosvies?
hell yes its not even fort and the only damage is 2 thundercallers and dragon
hidden ether
got it
slim dove
(i haven't done halls this week with explosive dont @ me if you wipe)
visual moat
the good thing about triple pulling at the start is that it's a fast way of sussing the group cause if you wipe, just abandon the key right there
hidden ether
or you can get a group with no lust
wooden widget
Anyone do triple pull no lust on tyrannical? To keep lust for boss?
visual moat
you dont need lust for first boss
wooden widget
Gotcha. Just wondering if it’s faster
vernal sky
meta groups often don't run lust
it's not a death sentence
kinda depends on your group but if you got ww rogue x, meh
toxic pewter
what is the best defensive phial, if I wanted to run one
Is icy preservation actually any good or too dangerous
naive panther
I pulled full 3 pack on hov on my monk, explosives wrecked group, then we did first boss, and one of hte dps cried about his death to the dragons flying through blaming me for it. ended there.
novel temple
what should I pick?
hidden ether
how do you do the mugs on it
jade trench
Is the 4 piece bonus good? Does it reset the timer on IP?
novel temple
389 cloak from earnog and the arcane assembly ring and a 372 crit/haste ring
warm plinth
Is the 4 piece bonus good? Does it reset the timer on IP?
Not very good in raid. Pretty strong in M+. It does not reset the timer on IP.
mighty valley
Is the 4 piece bonus good? Does it reset the timer on IP?
it is pretty good, it doesn't reset, but it does create a new ip if your previous was wiped
warm plinth
what should I pick?
ring or cloak but not sure 392 ring is worth making belt for especially since it's not the damage proc one
Still would be a nice upgrade over your ring even without the elt though
belt
jade trench
I guess that's the real bonus. I believe if you have 5k IP and get hit for 20k the whole 20k is reduced by 50%
mighty valley
no, IP only reduces the value on it
warm plinth
Yeah, IP will soak 5k of it and then you'll take the other 15k
jade trench
Fair, thanks team
hidden ether
1:50 for odyn...
novel temple
I’d probably craft the belt in preparation for the damage ring though, plus my belt sucks either way
tender cove
fuck do you do when crawth wont come down?
we only had 1 / 1 eagle
and no spawn
cant die
cant do nothing
hidden ether
5 sec over
toxic pewter
fuck do you do when crawth wont come down?
happened to me like 2 times in a row, I was not able to find a solution
and the group disbanded
warm plinth
fuck do you do when crawth wont come down?
Hearth and go back
Only thing I've heard of that fixes it
tender cove
we are doing that now ye
but holy shit, so frustrating
bricked key for sure but ye
hidden ether
sooo I got RNG murdered on hyrja, got shielded and landed on an orb
warm plinth
lol
That happened to me last week, though fortunately not a high enough key that I died
Literally the very end of the knock I clipped an orb
warm plinth
gotcha, yeah until pretty high keys it generally doesn't save much time if any
tender cove
Hearth and go back
i was stupid
and just assumed it would work, did tree boss and said ill stay for complete
HE STILL DIDNT SPAWN, wasted a good 45 min for nothing
omg...
warm plinth
Unfortunate
tender cove
i get it, having both vex and grawth trigger on the last add makes sorta sense but there should also be a fail safe
both bosses does this regularly
ive bricked 4 keys this season to this
😦
ohh well, at least ill have a 16 for tomorrow to fail 😄
onyx vessel
tender cove
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
i tried to stay positive but honestly i just want to smash my monitor in but its way to expensive for lol...that so ill just go for the slightly passive aggressive positive reinforcement smt smt i need sleep.
warm plinth
so when crawth doesn't spawn
do you still get the birds?
And then after last wave he just doesn't show up?
onyx vessel
Its only a game walk away at that point or just beat one off thats what i do
I had a good one on tuesday
Had a shit key 76min jade with my new guild i joinned they did under 30k overall
Then i logged to sleep
Wake up to be gkicked
boreal swan
How much prot wars pump dps average on keys?
onyx vessel
One of those ran by LGBT people and me being me telling them they played wrong is bad
They cant take that stuff so kicked me offline
warm plinth
What does it being run by LGBT have to do with it
topaz ember
onyx vessel
The only thing i could think of was i was telling the healer to stop beacon on me
Cuz i dont need it for the final boss
But nah
Jade bosses too hard for noobs
Waste of my 76mins
onyx vessel
What does it being run by LGBT have to do with it
In my defense i cant be in those guilds as i have no filter 
lusty grotto
uhh
pallies usually run beacon of virtue, not the other beacons
for keys
so that's going on you whether you want it or not since its required to group heal
lusty grotto
ok well thats odd
onyx vessel
Yeah she was a bad healer
lusty grotto
pally was probably raid spec'd
onyx vessel
Was trying to be nice
It was final boss on jade
Why do i need any help
Boss hits the tank like a noodle
Rips the dps
warm plinth
I'm still stuck on why you'd need a "filter" to be in an LGBT guild tbh
lusty grotto
btw does anyone have a simc import string for 405 whetstone/shell/hooves by any chance?
onyx vessel
outer sun
question is 4 piece on prot actually worth the sacrafice of haste?
onyx vessel
Yeah why wouldnt it be
warm plinth
btw does anyone have a simc import string for 405 whetstone/shell/hooves by any ...
gear compare 👀
lusty grotto
i dont have em
warm plinth
Don't need them with gear compare
lusty grotto
😢
onyx vessel
Can add them in
warm plinth
You just add them
lusty grotto
oh right
dusky canopy
Hey there just curious how many stacks are your off tanks doing on heroic dath?
lusty grotto
im dum
lusty grotto
we never swap
just tell him to use the nados
i just yell at pally to not be a pussy
only swap on adds
dusky canopy
So tank who takes 3 first goes to plat first?
lusty grotto
whoever tanks, gets add, swap there
onyx vessel
just tell him to use the nados
Thats gigachad energy
onyx vessel
I mean as prot you dont really need tornadoes
outer sun
4piece just doesnt seem like it does as much on prot as other tanks is why i wondered like ignore pain doesnt seem to stack very much with it
onyx vessel
For raid not really
lusty grotto
yeah well i mean specifically if the other tank isnt war
onyx vessel
M+
dusky canopy
Yeah our Prot warr lives no problem but our bear is just getting shit on
onyx vessel
yeah well i mean specifically if the other tank isnt war
Sucks to suck
warm plinth
4piece just doesnt seem like it does as much on prot as other tanks is why i won...
4pc is far better in M+
I mean, it's very good in M+ so idk
onyx vessel
Its insane for m+
limpid kite
Its like 5%leech with extras
warm plinth
If you're doing like +12s then it's probably quite mediocre, but at relevant key levels it's very strong.
median tulip
question is 4 piece on prot actually worth the sacrafice of haste?
Yes. Largely because it's so easy to craft and set what stats you want in this expansion that if you're not careful you can very easily end up with insufficient Vers and Mastery
outer sun
4pc is far better in M+
then like explain the reasoning cuz it doesnt seem worth i keep vangaurd up 98% in a 22 rbl and dont see an difference between 4 and no 4
onyx vessel
I mean you really arent losing much haste
onyx vessel
For 5% bigger ignore pain
Stats for prot warrior its all good
And haste is slightly better
median tulip
What does vanguard have to do with anything
I assume he means Vanguard's Determination, not Vanguard
warm plinth
I know what he means, but that still doesn't have anything to do with the 4pc
onyx vessel
Keep it up more often with 4p cuz ignore pain lasts longer
2p by itself is kinda weak
warm plinth
It's not even about that. 4pc creates its own IP. If you're doing high enough content where you're actually taking damage and IP is breaking constantly, then you're getting an insane amount of extra defense with 4pc+BrV
warm plinth
Because you create an IP with 4pc and then 20% of all your damage is going toward that IP
median tulip
I can't say I've ever consciously played around the set bonus; "use Revenge at least once in every 4 GCDs" isn't something I have to think about, really
warm plinth
So even when you aren't pressing IP, you're getting IP constantly
Nah you really shouldn't have to think about the set bonuses at all
Unless you're just playing really badly
onyx vessel
Hit revenge every 4seconds
Too hard to do when its 30 rage remove talent
Me whos been stuck at 3p for 4 weeks
Did brood on lfr only me and 1 other rolled on the tier still lost 
warm plinth
well
median tulip
Regarding secondary stats; I've generally settled on a Haste:Crit:Vers:Mastery ratio of 3:2:1:1 as producing good results. If you go too low on Vers and Mastery you get negative effects to your overall performance
warm plinth
next week is catalyst
onyx vessel
next week is catalyst
Also the same week its going to be in my vault
What is it going to cost this time tho?
median tulip
I presume that the Catalyst will cost Primal Chaos
onyx vessel
I wonder what to craft with spark im thinking weapon
That makes alot of sense good idea but i doubt it
I would assume it will be capped at 1 tier per week like last xpac was
median tulip
onyx vessel
Easy system
sudden gazelle
Do you guys have a tip to deal with explosives? Like what spell to use etc
warm plinth
Do you guys have a tip to deal with explosives? Like what spell to use etc
Heroic throw and a nice little spell I like to call the healer
sudden gazelle
Yeah heroic throw has been nice
onyx vessel
We say nope healer job
warm plinth
I will fuckin fight someone who says it's the tank's job
sudden gazelle
I hate the heroic throw dead zone
onyx vessel
I mostly here everyones job
sudden gazelle
Does it make sense to you guys?
warm plinth
Like in my opinion, everyone should at least be aware of explosives and swap to them if it looks like the healer is behind
onyx vessel
By that it ends up being tanks job
warm plinth
But there's no reason the healer can't get most of them
warm plinth
Does it make sense to you guys?
Yes, it's kind of annoying
sudden gazelle
xd
warm plinth
The real pro gamers will have a mouseover SS macro so they still SS a relevant target while auto attacking the explosive
onyx vessel
Me who cant do that
onyx vessel
I do try AA them but it takes too long
Bring a fury warrior tell him to bloodthirst them all
Free enrage
covert aurora
best horde race for prot, HMT, T, or belf ? Mostly in keys
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter. HMT and T are both kinda trappish, at least in their active abilities
We already have a short stun and both of their racials are on stun DR so you DR stuns very quickly
wary ermine
is the broodmother ring any good?
vital oak
Yeah
wary ermine
what am i supposed to use to frequently proc it?
mighty valley
racial differences are small enough to not matter, vulpera is low key nice, and more belf dispels is kinda always good
wary ermine
i got the eranog ring aswell i dunno what to use to proc them
i got grieftorch thats rlly the only fire dmg i can use
is there an embellishment?
oh frostfire belt
vital oak
yup
warm plinth
racial differences are small enough to not matter, vulpera is low key nice, and ...
you're low key nice
gottem
mighty valley
😊
warm plinth
warm plinth
?
lusty grotto
is this new
warm plinth
Yes
lusty grotto
ok then that explains it
warm plinth
Probably pushed with the weekly update
previously it was only doable nightly with the custom string
lusty grotto
its working on raidbots so
tough orchid
Hey, how do you manage [Searing Blows] on [Kokia Blazehoof] fight? i was doing a 16+ key and couldnt survive that buff regardless of the defensives i used.. if i use spell reflection and spell block together , will it make any difference?
limpid anchor
tough orchid
cant find them, can you link ?
lusty grotto
click the pin buttn
limpid anchor
Do you know where the pins are?
tough orchid
found them , thanks :)
plush prism
is any crafted stuff BiS for us protfucks
mighty valley
the main thing to take from the pin on kokia is that searing blows applies a bleed
so no, spell [anything] will not save you
why does something called searing blows apply a bleed? i don't know. blizzard bad
tough orchid
so i read the pin... sw and ls helps for the first hit ... then what ?
limpid anchor
Honestly
It makes sense that it’s a bleed, same with the bird
Just to have tank busters actually bust the tank
plush prism
have you crafted your way to the pins?
so uh I don't see any gear stuff in the pins, unless something is going wrong on my end
echo scarab
so i read the pin... sw and ls helps for the first hit ... then what ?
Bruh
limpid anchor
so uh I don't see any gear stuff in the pins, unless something is going wrong on...
Ya blind man
echo scarab
You’re not meant do use all cd‘s for every
plush prism
are you just directing me to icy veins and wowhead?
is that how basic this discord has become?
plush prism
i dont get what you mean
can you show me what you're talking about?
you've spent more time talking shit than helping
lol
lusty grotto
time for 
tough orchid
You’re not meant do use all cd‘s for every
i know, ofc i dont use all my cds all at once.... but i mean to stay alive i need to go with sw and ls ... great ... then what .... next time the buff hits all my damage mitigation spells will be on cd .... this pin makes no sense
lusty grotto
well first of all
you can spec in to 2x wall
second, wall is reduced by rage usage with AM
radiant locust
In the pins you have a post from nomeratur that speaks about BrV and then crafting recommendations
lusty grotto
third, you have healer CDs
limpid anchor
In the pins you have a post from nomeratur that speaks about BrV and then crafti...
Don’t feed it
lusty grotto
fourth, if you're really REALLY hurting, you can spec IO and just pop an avatar for a mini wall
amber siren
Just to clarify, spellblock won't work on Blazehoof, it's a bleed
lusty grotto
(which btw, is also CD reduced by rage usage via AM)
tough orchid
you can spec in to 2x wall
u can spec for two sb you mean
lusty grotto
Defender's Aegis
plush prism
In the pins you have a post from nomeratur that speaks about BrV and then crafti...
Thank you for actually typing a few words and being helpful. When something is titled, in fucking bold underlined words, WHAT DO I PLAY, I tend to gloss over it not thinking that that section is actually going to be somehow about gear lmao
nimchip, you're amazing.
and everyone else who called me a troll
lusty grotto
later felicia
plush prism
word
echo scarab
Teach a man how to fish
limpid anchor
u can spec for two sb you mean
2 sb?
peak walrus
does anyone have a link to that google sheet with spell blockable targets? i found it on here somewhere and didnt bookmark it xD
lusty grotto
well i told him the name of the talent, hopefully he goes over it and realize his mistake
limpid anchor
does anyone have a link to that google sheet with spell blockable targets? i fou...
3 pin questions back to back
Good day 
peak walrus
xD
amber siren
Yeah it's a valid choice
deft mortar
well I still pump xD
limpid anchor
And the boss dmg only matters for the dog
unreal sage
cold shell
i tried running it on 21
limpid anchor
Reroll bdk
cold shell
p2 i just die
limpid anchor
P2 of what
cold shell
3rd boss temple
limpid anchor
Well, gotta rotate the cds
cold shell
i started kiting as a last effort but even then
limpid anchor
And have a heal that’s not dumb
Doesn’t it have 300 yd range?
You can generally tell the dps to hold cds for that phase
cold shell
just not to get melee'd after the heal absorb
limpid anchor
And then lust it
cold shell
ye we popped everything
limpid anchor
If you really need it
cold shell
it casted 3x
cold shell
inner hound
that 21 or 11?
cold shell
21
limpid anchor
Thats dps of a +11
vital oak
3rd boss temple
The healing absorb is worse than the damage, Impending Victory and Health pots are good. Also, for CDs Last Stand will do more for you than Shield Wall.
bold turret
Guys, if running ITF can you run without ED and have 100% SB uptime?
bold turret
ty
cold pollen
The healing absorb is worse than the damage, Impending Victory and Health pots a...
also having a demo or a dh may help a lot. dh can taunt > Meta
vital oak
healthstones ftw.
cold pollen
I suspect it's the overall, with plenty of wipe
cold shell
its a bit dragged out
warm plinth
That's really low numbers for a 21 if that's overall though
inner hound
I'm guessing it's from all the kiting you did
lusty grotto
how long was that run?
cold shell
nah we never finished it
warm plinth
Like not even the DPS, the total damage
cold shell
this is 2nd boss :
the hunter and healer were alive longer than the rest
on 3rd boss
that's why the dps was lower
inner hound
14k hps on 21 2nd boss? that can't be right
limpid anchor
That’s also low tho
cold shell
limpid anchor
At least for a 21
inner hound
Well there's only so much you can do on 3rd. Don't use too many cds for each one. and use the healing ones after the hit especially. After that you have only the healer to rely on. If you start kiting that boss it will end bad for sure
warm plinth
Still no idea what we're looking at with that first meter; is that supposed to be overall?
cold shell
but i ran out of dungeon to spec into double shield wall, did help but that 3rd cast just trucks me
warm plinth
These numbers seem very weird for overall, but they're also not small enough to be a boss
The total damage, not the DPS
cold shell
its not overall, its 3rd boss but healer + ranged were alive for another like 30 seconds before we wiped
warm plinth
So the boss had like 90 mil HP? 🤔
cold shell
it got to p3 right after i died to 3rd cast
lusty grotto
did the pally cast a sac on you at all?
inner hound
whole p2 in 3 casts is good dps then though
warm plinth
Something is weird there lol. That can't be 1 boss
This is 2nd boss. 35 mil damage total
This is apparently 2/3 of the third boss but it's like 96 million
lusty grotto
cold shell
ye my details is probably fucky, it was yesterday so most likely the trash before that + boss
inner hound
sometimes when you wipe it doesn't actually show the boss
stuck basin
try to pool some rage get cd up and use ignore pain before and after the hit and a victory or healpot after - dont forget deff stance exist 😉
cold shell
anyways im just gonna blame healer cause im a robot wired to play perfectly and its never my fault
warm plinth
I was like wtf that boss has like 36 mil HP
lusty grotto
if we had a log, we could check if the pally actually used his defensives at the right moment
warm plinth
how are they doing so much and it's not even dead XD
lusty grotto
my dude
cold shell
let me see what i can do
jagged pier
oh ye when im doing 20's im perma def stance and vers flask
Eh
warm plinth
Nim, you cannot do 20s without 20% vers. This is a fact.
So just settle down there sir
limpid anchor
oh ye when im doing 20's im perma def stance and vers flask
That’s not good
stuck basin
oh ye when im doing 20's im perma def stance and vers flask
kind of wasted dmg especially if you are in trash with cds up in tyrannicsl 😉
warm plinth
(I'm memeing, lurkers)
lusty grotto
So just settle down there sir
limpid anchor
Nim, you cannot do 20s without 20% vers. This is a fact.
Don’t forget the avoidance tho
lusty grotto
ahaha
warm plinth
Avoidance 😮
cold shell
ye ye bash me all you want but i'm not changing it untill im comfortable running the dungeons
lusty grotto
of course, we never forget it
warm plinth
Not bashing, more making light of a very frequent topic in here
cold shell
🙂
limpid anchor
Tbf i also run d stance when I don’t trust the heal
cold shell
in raid im perma battle stance tho
warm plinth
well, 3rd boss of TJS it's a good idea to run dstance anyway on a 21 tyrannical haha
lusty grotto
well at least on p2
warm plinth
right
limpid anchor
So never permanently:>
cold shell
shame
warm plinth
👀
lusty grotto
frank crystal
amber siren
Just top gear is fine
cold shell
okay well ill just keep on keeping on and will get back if i ever step foot in that dungeon again and it goes horrible so we can grill my dstance usage
plush prism
Just top gear is fine
prefer the earlier seasons tho
cold shell
ty for the talks im back to lurking
amber siren
prefer the earlier seasons tho
lusty grotto
okay well ill just keep on keeping on and will get back if i ever step foot in t...
dont forget logs!
analog marlin
question - for high keys prot would you want to run a 415 unstable arcane loop w/ a socket or 415 jeweled sig of melandrus no socket? my other ring is the 418 crafted
cold shell
dont forget logs!
yes boss, done and done
lusty grotto
yes boss, done and done
frosty abyss
what phial do you guys use for dung
jagged pier
glacial or vers
frosty mango
Usually always vers unless it's sub 20
limpid anchor
What dungeon
deft mortar
RLP
dim knoll
Can someone help me out with a super dumb question
vital oak
Not if you don't pose the question.
dim knoll
How do i parse better as a tank in raid?
hardy snow
How do i parse better as a tank in raid?
do more damage
dim knoll
That it?
jagged pier
u play better
vital oak
#1 have the dps do more damage so the boss dies queicker.
jagged pier
no they are getting like 7 greiftorch resets
vital oak
no they are getting like 7 greiftorch resets
If you can gaurentee the brez your own death can reset it 🙂
dim knoll
I took it off my bars after someone told me that
vital oak
yeah, that's the first thing that jumps out, no slamming
dim knoll
Yeah it was brought to my attention recently
jagged pier
i mean its hard top judge all these logs your using slam, so nothing that recent
but
talents are wrong
u dont cast enough
is the TLDR
u dont run barbaric tuning in any content
u have it talented
u dont run TLs in raid ither
fucking pointless
vital oak
I wouldn't use the phial of elemental chaos
dim knoll
Is there different builds for st bosses and bosses with multiple mobs?
jagged pier
not really
theres 1 build of concuil
and then one build that u change like 2 or points around for the rest
the point of not running barbaic is that u waste more rage and run dry faster
vital oak
In some of your logs you have a whetstone, that would do more dps than the flame trinket.
jagged pier
u also
revenge less
so the tier set is worse
u also dont use all totem on a ST boss
but your using it here on every boss
your big issue is your casts
u are using things on cd
like u should be casting like 15-17 SSs per minute
your at 12 at best
TC should be 2 or 3 cPMs higher
your also not managing your SB at all
u should have 100% blocked hits with your talents
your at 70%
which means or mis managing SS casts as ive said
and SB usage
vital oak
So, condensed: Get rid of Slam, SS more and SB more. Untalent Barbaric Training. Sim trinks.
dim knoll
Okay, and where can i find the correct talents to copy and import
vital oak
Ahh. also, you're doing Heroic bosses, use your infusion on your crafted gear. Also, possibly use a spark on a lariat.
jagged pier
vital oak
Pins/wowhead/icyveins all have builds.
It also looks like you're not enchanted on most of your pieces. That's an easy fix.
and if you have the arcane ring, use the damage one instead of the "tank" one.
dim knoll
I do raid tomorrow. And i have gotten a lariat enchants and other stuff. I wanted some pointers to do better
vital oak
at your ilvl shell out for a frozen devotion wep enchant.
gentle cipher
Give me your favourite keybinds for
SB (^)
SS (1)
Revenge (3)
Ignore Pain (Mouse Button)
TC (Shift-F)
jagged pier
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAUREUUkFVQRpRQVBBNVUVEVFQlUYVRQCRE something like this for council
vital oak
SB (a)
SS (t)
Rev (w)
IP (q)
TC (g)
dim knoll
Thanks you two! I appreciate it
gentle cipher
SB (9)
SS (M)
Revenge (L)
IP (J)
TC (.)
sus!
jagged pier
KEKW
gentle cipher
Interesting, interesting
remote dawn
guys what phial and pots you use?
hasty field
SB (1)
SS (3)
Revenge (5)
IP (x)
TC (4)
vital oak
guys what phial and pots you use?
For "real" content, vers phial and elemental potions of power
also, i'm not a pro so take it with a grain of salt, others may have better choices.
dim knoll
what embellishments should we use?
remote dawn
ah only M+ content
stuck basin
glacial fury and ultimate potion of power - sometimes the aoe potion
vital oak
I think the difference is that in higher keys even tanks/heals are trying to output every erg of dps. I'm more focused on staying up when my healer doesn't seem to care to heal me because the dps is standing in something.
stuck basin
and 3% heal/absorb 😉
remote dawn
main stat pot
tyty
my stats ok? 35 haste 27 Crit 21 Mast and 9 Vers. is Vers to low?
jagged pier
im not saying vers phial is garbage its just not the reason why your living
jagged pier
my stats ok? 35 haste 27 Crit 21 Mast and 9 Vers. is Vers to low?
we dont care about vers
or stats
i have like 5% vers
its fine
remote dawn
when run IF + last stand also or?
vital oak
For Shield block uptime I run Heavy Repercussions, Enduring Defenses, and Champion's Bulwark.
jagged pier
u can run ITF and bolster if u wish instead
but its worse for keys
as u have to drop other things
for spell block
jagged pier
read what im saying
vital oak
read what im saying
Sir, I have utmost respect for you and your input, I was trying to reply to Balrox.
jagged pier
no problem just looked like u were replying to my first sentence is all
vital oak
meh, you type too fast!
I'm probably just getting old, using punctuation and all that. My niece makes fun of my texts.
remote dawn
thx guys ❤️
grizzled kite
should I swap out my chest for the higher ilvl one? the loss of haste seems harsh but gain a lot of vers, stam and what not
grizzled kite
Increasing your item level is generally more important than optimizing your secondary stats. If you are comparing pieces of the same item level, then you should follow the simple stat priority of Haste > Versatility > Crit = Mastery.
this has me confused since it is an increased ilvl, with some of the preferred stats (Vers)
ah okay gotcha
jagged pier
crit vers and mastery are pretty much all equal nowadays
grizzled kite
its not updated?
jagged pier
well guides are a statred point
and vers is easier to understand as an okay stat
but tbh the stat prio is more
ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste>>>>>>>>>>>>> vers=crit>=mastery
in terms of m+
cause in raid is dont matter
grizzled kite
alright sounds good
so basically ilvl & strength over anything else, haste secondary then vers and the rest is inconsequential
jagged pier
well if u have more crit and mastery the less vers u need
grizzled kite
I'm rocking a solid 4% vers
jagged pier
crit in general is actually our best defensive stat over a dungeon
because parry completely stops damage
grizzled kite
grizzled kite
love ya Jakey thank you for your wisdom
dim knoll
im at 12% vers with 4 of the heavy vers low haste gems. should i switch those out for something else?
jagged pier
yes u switch them to high haste x stat gems
arctic marten
crit in general is actually our best defensive stat over a dungeon
Is crit still better than mastery's critical block against parryable and blockable hits? Defensively
jagged pier
yes albeit both rng
crit stops more damage
as it negates the damage
where are natural block is like 60% it used to be alot less
crit block caps at 85% dont forget
but as I said u mitigate more damage through parying or cirt blocking the more your IP does against magic and bleeds etc
which will do more than your like 5% extra vers
dim knoll
yes u switch them to high haste x stat gems
so the 88 haste on most?
jagged pier
no high haste
what ever stat u want
as the low one
more stats > less better stats
jagged pier
BUT I NEED VERS
pallid quiver
having stats at all is the important part
strong forum
pallid quiver
people can't shake the one stat to rule them all for secondaries
hazy thicket
I love how vers was properly relevant for literally one season 3+ years ago because corruption was cracked and people just can't let it go
pallid quiver
It's also a hold over from before stat overhauls when super stacking a single stat was actually often a way to go, iirc, like MoP era and prior
jagged pier
u didnt even need vers in that season
pallid quiver
because things like haste were garbonzo
And in earlier days, statting was a decent part of your ability to survive (e.g. Hitting defense thresholds to not get crushed)
dim knoll
so im confused now lol
pallid quiver
It's also hard to see survival as a skill issue when:
- You already believe you're doing everything right, meaning there's something else affecting your ability to live
- i forgot this one will edit when i remember it's like 3 am or something here
hazy thicket
u didnt even need vers in that season
Absolutely you didn't. Max sky laser way more fun, but I do think it's fair to say it was relevant
median tulip
Personally I have found that a stat ratio of 3:2:1:1 for Haste:Crit:Vers:Mastery seems to work well. Currently roughly 4500 Haste, 3000 Crit, 1500 of the other two
pallid quiver
so im confused now lol
Should probably sim to see what's better for damage. If you don't do that, just chuck haste gems/gems that give the most raw number of stats overall
Don't really actually think that hard about gearing
that's brain power away from planning encounters/defensives/etc
edgy spear
People obsess way too much about secondaries when it's armor, block and primary stats doing the heavy lifting. The secondaries are all reasonably close in value too
shut hollow
You guys think I should go with 418 chest or get a new piece? Thanks in advance!
median tulip
The only thing I would say is a hard requirement is to have at least 20% Haste, but that's easily achieveable
tender quartz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967532906669023262/1065929130459283476/image.png
Save me... I got the ring and Trinket now on 50 Runs but I still need dem boots 😢
sterile bough
Replace that shit asap bruv
brittle silo
iirc haste used to be as good as SB cd threshold's. If you hit that certain threshold's u don't care about other secondaries. Atm i'm sitting at 30% haste (28% is threshold for 12s SB cd?) so I can and probably should change my enchants to other secondaries. But as someone states above. Secondaries aren't as important
median tulip
Honestly, Shield Block uptime is the least of my worries
sterile bough
Honestly, Shield Block uptime is the least of my worries
Uptime doesnt really matter
tender quartz
Caps at 40 Jakey?
jagged pier
with more rage
tender quartz
Or why 40.
sterile bough
Only whater u use it correcly
tender quartz
Sorry to interrupt n_n
jagged pier
Caps at 40 Jakey?
40% unbuffed is when the diminishing returns hits too hard
tender quartz
40% unbuffed with ITF or unbuffed unbuffed
jagged pier
unbuffed
edgy spear
Without ITF
tender quartz
Cries in 32 :(
tender quartz
Smiles in 32
jagged pier
or somthing
median tulip
without ITF; ITF does not count for diminishing returns because it's raw %, not rating
sterile bough
40% unbuffed is when the diminishing returns hits too hard
Does the haste talent count to that.
?
tender quartz
That is ITF that I asked about 🤭
edgy spear
No. It's DR on rating only
jagged pier
read its just been answered
tender quartz
ITF = Into the Fray = Haste Buff @median tulip c:
median tulip
If it add %, it doesn't incur DR; if it adds rating, it incurs DR
sterile bough
Ye too many shortcuts
tender quartz
omg n1 u wanna 1v1 mp_waterbed csgo ip pw pls send
brittle silo
ye ofc, haste is always good to have. Speaking for myself as on pulls I tend to overcap on pulls in keys. So I might drop some haste for crit as 30% is still pretty comfortable for me. When I get to higher keys when dmg/survi is more a concern I'll prolly go into full haste again
sterile bough
Haste is dmg as well
tender quartz
Haste is love.
jagged pier
ye ofc, haste is always good to have. Speaking for myself as on pulls I tend to ...
overcapping isnt a haste issue
its a play issue
sterile bough
U can sim haste and crit food
jagged pier
as harsh as it sounds
brittle silo
its a play issue
Should I overcap on IP than?
sterile bough
And check which still Goes better for u(haste)
jagged pier
its fuels the AM feedback loop
brittle silo
Well, I'm doing that but that feels bad to press as I'd rather spam revenge/ss/tc :v
median tulip
Should I overcap on IP than?
it's better to spend rage and proc Anger Management and Indomitable than to waste it
median tulip
Well, I'm doing that but that feels bad to press as I'd rather spam revenge/ss/t...
IP is off the GCD, so you can dump to it in addition to Revenge
brittle silo
Ye ofc in terms of optimal play it do be like that. It just feels bad to press
brittle silo
even if off gcd 😄
median tulip
Ignore Pain is a button that knocks 3.5s off the cooldown of Avatar and Shield Wall, heals you for 3.5% of your max HP, and happens to give you an absorb shield as a handy side benefit
indigo gulch
u all is using sustained strength or waking stats for chest enchant?
jagged pier
waking
edgy spear
Ignore Pain is a button that knocks 3.5s off the cooldown of Avatar and Shield W...
and gives you slightly more than a stack of seeing red for those juicy outbursts
median tulip
and gives you slightly more than a stack of seeing red for those juicy outbursts
True, true
brittle silo
Does details show proper overcap on rage generation? Curious about exact numbers on my overcap I checked last key and it shows 0 overflow?
brittle silo
k, time to get back to logs than
stuck basin
is overcapping ip really better then slam ? - just wondering
brittle silo
trash player :v
sweet summit
could be worse
jagged pier
even im garbage dont worry about it
pallid quiver
is overcapping ip really better then slam ? - just wondering
you'd use revenge, anyway, since revenge does more damage than slam
on top of that, both of those are on the GCD
pallid quiver
while IP isn't
edgy spear
is overcapping ip really better then slam ? - just wondering
You'd rather revenge than slam. The point of pressing IP even if it is capped is that you want the CDR/indomitable/seeing red, and IP is off the gcd
median tulip
If you are cycling Rage effectively in combat, you should see Avatar available every 30-35s, dependent on Shield Slam procs
Which - when you consider that Avatar has a 20s uptime - is kinda fun and highly effective
edgy spear
I've been wondering if i should just send avatar on CD in raid or line it up with demo shout on 45 second cycles
Been doing the former
jagged pier
u send
median tulip
Most fight, just send it. Unless you're running Immovable Object and using Avatar as a ghetto defensive, in which case that shit should be planned
median tulip
I only run IO when I absolutely need it
edgy spear
I don't think I've used it yet
median tulip
I used it our first Terros, and I used it on Tyr RLP before the nerfs
edgy spear
I dont think terros hits me hard at all
Most of my dmg taken is the raidwide dmg (debuff clear + pillar break). I wall every time i do debuff clear+2nd tank slam
hardy snow
Most of my dmg taken is the raidwide dmg (debuff clear + pillar break). I wall e...
you dont need anything more than block for 2nd tank slam if you're not clearing pillars with it 😉
limpid anchor
Terros is a joke for Tank dmg
edgy spear
I dont "need" it but I just use it anyway.
median tulip
I dont think terros hits me hard at all
I was a bit undergeared at the time, and TBH I don't find the UnF build especially compelling on Terros either, so...