protection

[deep spruce]

the breath u can outrange but its huge

[mighty valley]

pins

[last pebble]

oh ok

[deep spruce]

not worth outranging it incase u move sidewards at all and clip someone

[oak echo]

right that's what i thought lol

was worried you meant it was sidesteppable 😆

[deep spruce]

but u can outrange the power attacks from the smol bois

[warm plinth]

Power Attack isn't a frontal tbf

[mighty valley]

just cd the breath, nothing else there is doing more than tickling you

[warm plinth]

It's just a tank hit

[sick sentinel]

ohhhhhh i see now

[oak echo]

yep i kite that whole pull around the outside once the casters are under control

[sick sentinel]

we got explosions went off, healer is stun to thunder and so am i

[mighty valley]

...................

[warm plinth]

Did you check the log?

[oak echo]

do you need a log to see that lol

[sick sentinel]

do people just not believe in clear thunder?

[warm plinth]

Well he's saying he doesn't know how the healer died; would be easy to just check log

[tawny cypress]

Is any value lost if using Rallying Cry at max health?

[wary haven]

Decoration of flame, the BIS all time trinket ever, would have saved you in that situation @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

🙄

[oak echo]

no

[tender cove]

is there some WA or similar to see healer mana without having to put him on focus?

[warm plinth]

Rallying cry's "heal" portion is only temporary to bring your health up the 15% that it grants

So you can just use it prior to something that hits hard

[oak echo]

https://wago.io/ManaWatcher

[mighty valley]

i love when we do surgery to help diagnose a yogi situation and the solution always ends up being something really fucking stupid

[oak echo]

love that WA

[tender cove]

tyvm

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's a good one

I use it as well

[sick sentinel]

well, why did the explosives not die and we didn't clear the shit, i dunno lol

[tender cove]

We are enabling him though most of the time xD

[warm plinth]

I just want him to use Intimidating Shout

[neon elk]

What kind* of frames u using that doesnt show it ? Apart from druids siting in cat, even base one can do it

[tender cove]

i use elvui but i have the default blizzard frames because i prefer the minimalistic look

[neon elk]

Default ones can show mana tho

[mighty valley]

the thing about pugs is you can only control yourself. you can kill explosives, you can clear thundering

[tender cove]

well, mine doesnt

probably some setting but ill take that wa, looks nicer

[neon elk]

U use regular part frames or raid style party frames ?

[uneven mason]

Literally blizzard base frames can show resources?

[tender cove]

great, im still taking that wa xD

[wary haven]

Alright I need clarification

[warm plinth]

No, Decoration of Flame is not bis

[neon elk]

Xd

[warm plinth]

Clarified that for ya

[neon elk]

Just wanted to write that

[wary haven]

Okay on a serious note though

[mighty valley]

the only thing that's bis is faith in the lord

[neon elk]

Which one tho

[wary haven]

Are we in a general consensus that stacking versatility just isn’t good?

Should it always be haste > crit?

[warm plinth]

I think a more accurate statement is that it's unnecessary and overrated.

[tender cove]

Ghash. Do bdk have a lot of avoidance? parry/dodge? im sure you know this 😛

[warm plinth]

Like if you just end up with a lot of vers, it's fine

[mighty valley]

we're in a general consensus that ilvl upgrades on mainstat pieces are always good and if all things are equal, haste is our best stat

[warm plinth]

But you shouldn't intentionally do it

[warm plinth]

Yeah they parry a lot

[tender cove]

you know what im asking, all totem, me and bdk? same same or what?

[mighty valley]

first off, abolish your loot council

[wary haven]

So haste then everything else is essentially whatever

[grave flower]

This

[mighty valley]

second, dodge/parry happens so often in m+ that it doesn't matter who has slightly higher avoidance rates

[warm plinth]

Yes. ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mast. But since ilevel is what we want more than anything else, the hierarchy of the rest is not really relevant until you're looking at same ilevel pieces.

[mighty valley]

and all totem is a better m+ trinket than raid trinket

[tender cove]

First of all, i had like 85 avg in my first raid for the 7 bosses, im gonna polish that up a bit to low 90s and get 2-3 mythic kills.
By then, i will know if shit is "corrupt" and i can make a decision from there.

[grave flower]

I’m convinced all totem and whetstone are better than Whetstone and torch in m+

[tender cove]

But right now, im just gonna ride it out and see where I land. Its not in my hands

[mighty valley]

rise up, raider working class

[oak echo]

our first all-totem dropped last night and my dumb ass was still in arms loot spec from the fight before 😦

[tender cove]

see, LC would have solved this for you 😉

[grave flower]

I mean. Common sense could too

[cyan shale]

New here so sorry if I've missed it, but I just got the Ruby Whelp shell from a +10. Trained the haste proc. Should I stack all points in that or go into the aoe one as well?

[oak echo]

it was def an accident, not a common sense thing really

[grave flower]

ST or AOE is the leading training point. Jury still out from my understanding.

[oak echo]

like obviously i knew not to be

[grave flower]

Common sense to have tanks roll on the tank trinket if you goofed up swapping loot specs

[forest bay]

what's the consensus on ruby shell? worth running?

[grave flower]

See above comment

[forest bay]

oh lol

didn't see there was talk about it just now

[grave flower]

No worries. Probably we’re typing as I posted

[tender cove]

I was just making a joke :p

[grave flower]

Has merit though lol. LC would solve that issue

You’re not wrong.

[oak echo]

ye

[hazy sluice]

yo beam in SBG does it only spawn on who is not in melee range or is it spec based? like heal and ranged in team its always 50/50 no matter where they stand?

[coral heron]

hi

[oak echo]

its' a very non-sweaty aotc only guild so that'll never happen lol

[grave flower]

Which part won’t happen? LC?

[oak echo]

yeah

[grave flower]

Just means you’ll get next one

It’s not a must have ‘I’m missing out big time’ sort of trinket.

[oak echo]

for sure

[grave flower]

Def nice to not have to manage two on use trinkets though lol

[tender cove]

For me personally? I dont mind LC. I dont raid for gear but what annoys me is that they want us to know exactly what is bis, why its bis, if its bis over other classes and all that shit, that I dont even care about. Like, ok, fine, but wouldn't it be just easier to go on shit like attendance, need, most value for the team and so on

[grave flower]

For sure. There’s def pros and cons of LC and I would hope LC members have an understanding that 9/10 ilvl > all. Sure. Trinkets jewelry is an exception but it shouldn’t be too weird to figure out.

[silk pond]

Hey I've downloaded Khakhan's prot war WA. It's constantly loaded but only seems to fully show when in combat. Any idea how to have to permanently show?

[tender cove]

Go into settings, load and tick out "only load in combat"

[grave flower]

Display options tab > should be an option to click off “only load in combat”

[dense echo]

is there a guide/site that lists m+ tricks for spell reflect/spellblock and intervene?

[tender cove]

Pins or weakaura

[grave flower]

Pin. No intervene one but spell reflect

@tender cove save some brownie points for the rest of us! Lol

[tender cove]

hahah 😄

[dense echo]

ty

[grave flower]

Fastest fingers in the west this guy

[tender cove]

honestly, i should go do m+, most of the guild is on rn but I just wasn't vibing today.

[silk pond]

It's constantly loaded

[dense echo]

i saw naowh intervene the locked player on fenryr which then did no damage. is this because of intervene or did they do something else?

[oak echo]

there are probably child WAs in it that only load in combat

[oak echo]

that's like the one practical use if intervene in m+

outside of using it to clear thundering if you're grouping with monkies

if you intervene and stay within the 10 yds or whatever it is of them, they can stand still and not take damage from it

[lavish oracle]

I've had intervene work and not work on that fixate

[silk pond]

cheers

[lavish oracle]

Oh, actually, maybe they kited too far from me

Thinking about it

[wary haven]

Honestly intervene might be worth for clearing thundering in pugs alone lmao

[lavish oracle]

I keep it talented for that reason

And also I'm just so used to having it

[oak echo]

i've started to keep it for that as much as it hurts my soul

[zenith monolith]

anyone got any tips for snap aggro (maybe talent etc) on first platform adds on Raz HC? Losing aggro to DPS and they are getting smacked.

[oak echo]

if i have to resort to using it though it's jesus taking the wheel and hope everyone moves out of the frontals

[lavish oracle]

I love intervene, its a fun mobility tool

[uneven mason]

My favorite are the people who run away from you

[lavish oracle]

Lol, people see the tank koving and they just instinctively haul ass

[wary haven]

What do you guys typically drop for intervene

[lavish oracle]

Good instincts but please, I need to clear

Intimidating shout

[wary haven]

Damn that’s a huge loss

[oak echo]

sidearm personally

[lavish oracle]

Nah, most pugs aren't coordinating cc's well enough for me to miss intimidating shout, really

[oak echo]

the 2% of damage loss is less valuable than an aoe stop imo but to each their own and i know a lot of people drop shout

[wary haven]

I’d love to see some of your talents

I’ve been trying to experiment with a couple of things

[reef shoal]

hello! do you guys know which mobs reset impending victory in M+?

it's not every mob right?

[zenith monolith]

if you kill it its every mob

[lofty widget]

Every mob except explosives more or less

But you need the killing blow

[sturdy sable]

man I remember when it did trigger off killing explosives

made bury the hatchet a good azerite trait

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how to use Hekili?

[oak echo]

you do this

[rigid sapphire]

I have lariat on my prot warrior. Idk what to use my sparks on after that. Suggestions?

[dark lark]

[oak echo]

weapon and shield are the most important but yeah also that

[craggy pilot]

trying to teach another person how to play BM, and hes relying on it

and the hekili priority is incorrect 🤣

[oak echo]

oh oof

[uneven mason]

BM

You're teaching someone how to be shit?

[craggy pilot]

no 😄

teaching someone to play

grey log kinda thing

[uneven mason]

BM stands for bowel movement

[lavish oracle]

BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIECAAAAIJJRSCJtkSSSKFEhIUkIRJJBIQSQLkkgAECAAAAAAAEBAAtGA

[lucid pasture]

battering ram very fun @jagged pier

[lavish oracle]

This is usually what I run but there's a lot of flex points

[jagged pier]

yes

[lavish oracle]

So it changes a little from dungeon to dungeon

[lucid pasture]

jakey

[jagged pier]

?

[lucid pasture]

it fun

i like damge

[jagged pier]

yes its very good

[spark tundra]

Hey guys if I run horn or valour and also blaze hoof do you think I lose way to much main stat for it to be good?

[wary haven]

Over what current option

Because if it’s decoration of flame…

[spark tundra]

Ah no I already had horn and just won blaze I currently have the puzzle 1

[wary haven]

Did you run sims

[spark tundra]

Not yet no I was was thinking of defence

[odd topaz]

Is the bottle any better than these two? Has me stumped since strength is still best stat for prot but then the ilvl is way higher! I’m new to the game so let me know

[wary haven]

That’s a trinket that gives agility

So I’d prob stick with the trinkets you have personally

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone know how stamina is calculated in dragonflight? i gained like 8k hp from 255 stam

[wary haven]

What are the ilvl of all 3 items

[odd topaz]

Thanks!

[spark tundra]

Puzzle is 395 horn is 402 and hoof is 398

[wary haven]

Does the puzzle box give strength

[rough egret]

On use

[wary haven]

Or a secondary

No not on use

[jagged pier]

on use mastery

[wary haven]

Sorry, I mean what stat does it have on it

[spark tundra]

The bonus is mastery on it and it comes with 372 strength standsrd

[rough egret]

Yes sorry

[spark tundra]

3761 mastery bonus

[gloomy sinew]

guys any recommendation for temple third boss??

He is just destroying me

[uneven mason]

Pins

[rough egret]

In S2 there will be the one that gives str on use with mastery stat on it

Iirc from halls

[uneven mason]

Jokes on you, they're going to be using 6 non df dungeons and halls won't be until s3

[wary haven]

I’d prob look at a sim for them tbh. Realistically you’d probably get more defense out of having the horn and puzzle box since they have strength and verse, but realistically none of those items are intended to be used for defense imo

[rough egret]

😄

[uneven mason]

Get ready for BRD mythic +

[wary haven]

Mastery for block with the puzzle box on use isn’t super great for Prot warrior

[spark tundra]

Cool thanks for replying mate

[wary haven]

I’d honestly go with the hoof and horn of valor if those are your options

[uneven mason]

Has a 2 hour timer

[uneven mason]

But the ap

[tender condor]

Hows the 1st HoV pull with explosives

[neat sable]

fun :^)

[icy bane]

Dps problem, you got mobs to tank 🙂

[jagged pier]

that mastery on use

if fucking huge for dps

always

[young cloud]

How do you guys handle bird boss on Academy?My life always hangs on thread there

[jagged pier]

because its rated our worst stat

even tho its like equal with crit and vers really

[toxic pewter]

Ive been running defenders aegis for that boss

[uneven mason]

Because they read the "priority list" and think last = bad

[jagged pier]

healer job and good cd usage

[uneven mason]

Crit has no equal

Parry party

[queen fulcrum]

[icy bane]

Pog

[uneven mason]

[tender condor]

What fire dmg do we have

[icy bane]

Frostfire belt

[uneven mason]

Belt

[tender condor]

Neat

[toxic pewter]

also can run decoration of flame

[jagged pier]

no

flame is garbage for it

belt or no point in ring

[toxic pewter]

Well yeah I mean in conjunction with belt

[pallid quiver]

Belt alone iirc reaches the general proc threshold or something

[queen fulcrum]

Got Mythic Flame too and not sure whether to be happy or not lol

[toxic pewter]

I use mythic flame I like it personally

[queen fulcrum]

I might try it keys, running Grieftorch and Whetstone in most cases rn

[toxic pewter]

yah the damage of flame will be nowhere near grieftorch

I want a grieftorch

that thing is nuts

[jagged pier]

flame is very mid

u dont use it on cd

it starts wasting value

[toxic pewter]

lol

[fierce field]

it's value gets very conflated on prog when people are dying to stupid

[queen fulcrum]

Relateable, been doing that in the HC Clear tonight

[pallid hare]

why would flame lose value if you are using it on CD or very close thereof

assuming you are still getting value from the defensive part

[sick sentinel]

Hi guys. Tips for stormboss in nokhud? Do I need with bad healer deffensive stand? If I go out of boss range I get High dmg boss spell that I can reflect? Do I need much balls to soak? Any more tips?

Reflect wasn’t a question yikes

I died in +16 pretty quick that’s why I ask

[mighty valley]

it's 90% a healercheck fight

number one thing is everyone getting orbs frequently enough to refresh the buff

[pallid hare]

its really not a tank fight, pick up orbs so they dont get to him and it shoud be gg

[toxic pewter]

Yeah only leave melee range if your reflect is available

[mighty valley]

rally whichever storm your healer isn't popping a big cd for

[pallid hare]

^ & if you are not 100% confident in your ability to do so just never leave melee. let the balls coem to you

[mighty valley]

you can also leave melee range during its other casts if you really need to refresh your buff

basically the fight is very unfair if people are not keeping themselves buffed up, especially the healer

[pallid hare]

yeah the amount of time i see healers ignoring orbs is silly

[mighty valley]

there's only so much else you can do besides get spell reflect value, don't put your big kill circle on people, make sure the boss doesn't get orbs

[sick sentinel]

Thanks guys 🙏🏻

[marsh olive]

/startattack
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
/cast Ignore Pain
I realize this is not a viable macro for high content, but in general how bad would this be to use?

[oblique quarry]

I have a co tank that is a DK who is only pulling 10-18k dps. I know warriors tend to put damage a lot of the classes but this seems low. His ilvl is 385 and he has 2pc teir and okay trinkets. Is this normal or should I start diving into helping him with his rotation?

[astral shadow]

a prot warrior I play with who feels suuuper squishy in keys runs this build. anything off with it on first sight?

[jagged pier]

normal

but he could play better most likely

[oblique quarry]

A little of both, cool and thanks

[jagged pier]

he should be fine with that talent set up hes probably playing incorrectly

if u have logs

that will help

[oblique quarry]

Seems like the standard build

[astral shadow]

ok ty all I'll seeek out logs

[urban portal]

hes not really greeding damage anywhere

[pallid hare]

if you are going to use this put Shield Slam last so that you try use use your rage and then gain some with the SS. this way you don't overcap rage right before you cast BOTH a SB & IP

[reef shoal]

heyyo, how come the pinned msg doesn't recommend weapon and shield for sparks?

are those baits?

[solid cypress]

other then axe throw and shield slam, how do you guys deal with explosives? just auto attacking? i thought about adding slam to my bars but eh

[oblique quarry]

I sometimes hamstring them to save SS damage but it’s probably troll

[solid cypress]

does hamstring one shot them lol

[oblique quarry]

It does lol

[solid cypress]

omg lol

[reef shoal]

i was thinking lariat + frostfire belt, weapon and shield for the 4 sparks i have rn, is that a huge mistake?

[oblique quarry]

Frost fire does enable the raid rings which is nice

[reef shoal]

im 340 ilvl, idk if i'll be able to raid this week 🥲

was really hoping those 4 things will let me start pushing 16s for primal infusion cuz idk how else to gear up efficiently

[jagged pier]

very bad

in any content

[oblique quarry]

Yo wont be 340 after those crafts haha

[reef shoal]

dude, it's such a paiiiiin

i spammed dungeons to lvl and then spammed mythics as soon as i hit 70 and im still wearing 226 trinket

i've got to be in the 99th percentile of shit luck

[solid cypress]

prob a 340 world quest up

[reef shoal]

there was only 1 and i already did it for my other trinket lol, but got my fingers crossed for the reset :<

[weary python]

Because the use of using embellishment slots on a weapon/shield is far less than the other slots. The weapon and shield are great options to craft on, you just don't need the embellishments used there like say lariat, or waist/wrist.

[pallid hare]

those are the standard "best" but iw ould try to gear out a bit and use crafting to fill in spaces that rng wont give you

[pallid hare]

lol at 408 ilvl i just replaces my 343 crafted boots last night... rng is rng
(...yes i could hae just dont a storm event)

[astral shadow]

Sadly none of their logs are top 100k, so none are kept by warcraflogs

Maybe I can find one with someone else who parsed though. sec

Looks like none. sadly

[median tulip]

What ilvl are we talking here?

[astral shadow]

looks like 397

[dark cosmos]

Are they just feeling squishy in general (like just melees?) or are they dying to specific stuff?

[astral shadow]

I've healed them on multiple characters, and I have to nonstop spam them on my 410 prevoker or Rdruid. I'm 2.5k io, I do know how to heal. but they just feel impossibly squishy

[median tulip]

They are doing something wrong

Very wrong

What keys are we talking?

[astral shadow]

11-14s, double pulls at most, usually single pulls

[median tulip]

They should barely even need healing in that key range

[astral shadow]

yeah I know

[limpid anchor]

Does he press shield block

[astral shadow]

Can't tell without logs sadly

[limpid anchor]

Actually nvm, pwar is weak, buff pls

[median tulip]

So I would guess that they have something wrong in the basics; Shield Block uptime and lack of Ignore Pain use/rage cycling would be my best guess

[astral shadow]

I've asked them multiple times if they are following the prot warrior guides. they say yes

[limpid anchor]

Just check details in the next dungeon

[astral shadow]

I have one up from last dungeon. what am I looking for?

[median tulip]

another possibility - which frequently isn't explicitly stated - is that they might be positioning themselves wrong and getting hit in the back

[limpid anchor]

Show us buff uptime

[crystal mauve]

You can get some info from details if you have a key run with him, check for Shield block and ignore pain cast. SB should be above 90% wt least and Ip in that content should be very high as well (at least if they try to play a bit defensively)

[median tulip]

Buff uptimes, number of unblocked hits

[limpid anchor]

Ip is not a good value tbf

[astral shadow]

How do I check unblocked hits?

[crystal mauve]

(I understand where you are going but I’m just trying to see if the guy even press it)

[urban bane]

oh

[limpid anchor]

Kek

He doesn’t press shield block

[median tulip]

Shield Block uptime lower than Ignore Pain uptime? I THINK I SEE THE ISSUE HERE

[limpid anchor]

All of his uptime sucks

[crystal mauve]

Well, here it is lol he doesn’t have his basic mitigation spell on his bars. I’m pretty sure the uptime is from shield charge procs

[limpid anchor]

Yea

He doesn’t use it at all manually

[wise parrot]

I see people running the "when dealing fire damage xyz" rings as prot war. why? how are we supposed to get value out of that

[jagged pier]

U need logs

[astral shadow]

ok. so definitely that's a giga huge point. anything else I can use from only details?

[median tulip]

@astral shadow Yeah, your friend isn't using Shield Block; that's the primary active mitigation. Get him to use that more often, get a weakaura to track uptime etc

[astral shadow]

sadly no logs available. all logged runs with them have never had anyone parse top 100k

[limpid anchor]

Nah in that case you don’t :>

[mighty valley]

crafted frostfire belt

[jagged pier]

He asked how to see unblcoked hits

[crystal mauve]

Tell him to have a quick look at a prot warrior guide, he need to start from the beginning, it’s ok he just doesn’t know better 🙂

[mortal topaz]

how do I do more damage in single target.. i seem to hover around 25-30k.. im ilvl 406

[jagged pier]

U cannot see that on details

[wise parrot]

ez tyvm

[mortal brook]

shield slam when shiny

[pallid quiver]

Vanguard's being only at like 58% is concerning for rotation purposes

[limpid anchor]

Show dps as well

[pallid quiver]

So yeah, your friend will likely want to adjust their UI and swing at a dummy for a bit

[limpid anchor]

Bcs his revenge needs to be low I think

[hard vessel]

How you play warrior without pressing shield block?

[pallid quiver]

Get the rotation from a guide down

[limpid anchor]

And with low ip and no shield block idk how he uses his rage

Maybe whirlwind ?

[crystal mauve]

shield block at 6% and avatar at 10% is my main concern here tbh 😂

[median tulip]

badly

[pallid quiver]

There's an uncomfortable amount of people who go, "HOLY SHIT IP IS A 50% DEFENSIVE? NO WONDER PROT WAR OP"

And so they yeet all their rage into it at all times

[hard vessel]

Bruh if you open a guide for a tank you just straight wanna k ow how to live and there is no way there is any guide which doesn't include shield block

[high drum]

shield block sucks press devastate

[sick sentinel]

pass

[pallid quiver]

There is also an uncomfortable amount of people who don't read guides for a variety of reasons, such as, "I've been playing long enough that I can figure it out on my own" and "Theorycrafters don't know shit anyways, they just yell at people in their echo chamber discords" among others

[high drum]

they're right

[plush gate]

Worth crafting both weapon and shield? or should I save my sparks for something else? already got lariat and the icefire waist

[high drum]

they pay their 1299 a month

[limpid anchor]

Last point isn’t wrong

[high drum]

it's just a game LOL relax

[median tulip]

Anyway @astral shadow , your friend basically needs to relearn the basics; their primary mitigation usage is the most glaring issue, but I'd be pretty certain others will become evident once they fix that. Get logs and track blocked hits, wasted rage, Avatar usage, Shield Wall usage, Vanguard's determination uptime

[astral shadow]

What kind of uptime of Shield block is normal in a M+ environment?

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, if you can also pull up their damage dealt, we might be able to pull more

[limpid anchor]

90+

[hard vessel]

Close so 100%

[pallid quiver]

You can have 100%, so

[hard vessel]

95+ super ez

[pallid quiver]

There's a non-zero amount of work your friend can do, yeah

[astral shadow]

ok thank you all. you = best ❤️

[crude crown]

how close to a sim should my single target dps be? are sims wildly off?

in particular on a training dummy sim since i can repeat this easily and see what I do wrong

[median tulip]

Yeah, the Sim is going to assume you put all your rage into Revenge/Execute and none into defensives

[radiant locust]

Details shield block uptime 100%

That's from logs, but details is a bit lower and depends on the dung a bit

[warm plinth]

Sims are in a vacuum. They assume the boss doesn't move and you don't have to dodge mechanics. You might meet your sim every now and then or even exceed it but don't look at your damage vs sim and assume you suck

[pallid quiver]

unless you're waaaaaay off

then you might want to revise your approach to either rotation or the boss at hand

[gritty cosmos]

hey guys

whats the best embelishment for shield?

[dapper vapor]

Alchemical Flavour Packet

[median tulip]

I wouldn't embelish your shield; it makes it harder to swap embelishments out if you need to

[crude crown]

thx. I guess I need to spend some time on the training dummy

[bleak breach]

Thinking of switching from fury to prot for m+ is it hard to play ?

[vast goblet]

theres only like 30 buttons you need to keep track of

[mortal topaz]

what are we thinking boys? I need some help some ppl say this trinket that trinket is the big toe worth it

[pallid quiver]

Which boss are you comparing to?

Some bosses you'll be notably lower than sims due to mechanics, or you might be doing your rotation fine, but not handling mechanics efficiently

[mortal topaz]

tanking is a joke @bleak breach just grab some WA and keep up shield block win

[bleak breach]

Lol being serious really wanna switch for m+

[urban portal]

whos the man who has a 4% shield bloc uptime

thats chad

[long stone]

How does the 4 set Bonus ecacrly work ? Revenge - and then the dmg in the 5 sec OR the 5% from the revenge dmg ?

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty sure he's being serious, which is a bit demeaning and not really the best thing to hear, but Prot is very easy to play

[urban portal]

5% of all damage

[long stone]

In the 5 sec ?

Or per Hit

Attack etc

[pallid quiver]

As long as you hit your buttons pretty fast, you'll do pretty decent damage and stay survivable.

if, uh, you're pressing relevant buttons

[pallid quiver]

As long as Vanguard's is up, all damage you deal from any source is put on to IP

[long stone]

Ahhhh thanks 🙂

Trinkets Dmg too ?

[sick sentinel]

what is it your supposed to wait for on the gold balls side of hyraj? just whenever that part causes balls to stop?

cuz its way more apparent what to do on the lightning shield side

[vital oak]

Not sure what you mean? Dodge the balls, attack the boss?

[sick sentinel]

the timing of when i take it across room

[warm plinth]

You just let the shield knock you

[vital oak]

I use the frontal that yeets you to move back and forth.

[sick sentinel]

cuz it puts a big dome on the other side, so thats mostly easy

[crude crown]

I jump between 40% and 90ish depending on boss/difficulty. e.g. on mythic council I'm around 70k dps at 410 ilvl (without any op trinkets). I seem to be doing worse on single target specifically. I guess I'll do some dummy testing and come back for more advice when I have something concrete :)

[sick sentinel]

it should line up after the knockback then i guess, i skipped legion

don't have deep mechancis understanding from this period

[vital oak]

I didn't play legion at all, I have run this xpac HoV a dozen or so times, just use the frontals to change sides.

[warm plinth]

Yeah the knock will put you where you need to be

Don't have to worry about timing

[pallid quiver]

alternatively

You use the knock to kill your mage to lower the cd on your grieftorch

[warm plinth]

Actually big brain move

[sick sentinel]

ahh

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch will do more than the mage anyway amirite

[sick sentinel]

try again

[vital oak]

Did you know that if you can get a brez you can use your own death to lower that cd?

[pallid quiver]

i did not know that, but that's added to my banks of "dumb shit to know"

[pallid quiver]

10/10, they weren't at their dump phase, anyway

[crude crown]

another question... is there some easy way to check how many violent outbursts went for slam vs clap? weakaura or something in details ?

[vital oak]

Um, I'm not sure. Also, not sure why one would care? I wouldn't try and hold one for the other.

[crude crown]

I kind of assumed that the difference is noticeable since shield slam deals way more, esp in single target

[pallid quiver]

You want to send all of them on SS because it does more damage (even in small AOE; it takes a good number of targets before TC comes ahead, Avatar with UF can change those numbers) and gens a lot more rage

[pallid quiver]

The easiest way to check is to kinda check how much damage is being done by each ability, but in a log you could technically see when you got the Outburst buff, see when it went away, and see what was the cast that happened then, I assume, and kinda manually count them all?

listen i'm on 2 hours of sleep my ideas ain't good

[crude crown]

:)

[fathom robin]

For the crafted shield, is the proc one good? Or is the proc rate low and its best to craft the Molten Defender instead?

[sick sentinel]

Proc isn’t great, use Molten

[fathom robin]

Thanks!

would you embellish with armor spikes?

[lusty narwhal]

anyone have a burgeoning seed weakaura?

[sick sentinel]

surprise!

[last mason]

if u have a recurring wowsub, should u not get the new mount for free lol

[vital oak]

@crude crown I'm trying to think about it logically, I feel like it only matters if SS and TC are up at the same time and you have the buff when you would press SS anyway. If either SS or TC are not up you would press the one that's up. This is just a feeling but I don't think you would hold the button press to use SS if TC is up just for the rage generation loss of waiting. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it feels like to me.

[sick sentinel]

I personally use lariat and the belt for my embellishments.

[vital oak]

belt is great if you can snag one of the raid rings. Also, for opening those frozen chests that dot the landscape.

[warm plinth]

Personally I just drag it to an empty place on my screen and type delete into the box

[tender cove]

what classes can dispell last boss in temple beside lock?

[warm plinth]

Priest

Only with mass dispel though, which is a 45 sec CD

[sick sentinel]

All healers but priest and lock can as well

[brazen isle]

and all healers)

[tender cove]

so lock is pretty much mandatory?

[warm plinth]

Eh not really since the nerf. It just makes the fight way easier.

Basically cuts the healing requirement on the fight by like 70% lol

[sick sentinel]

i got one of those, garbage?

[vital oak]

I'm more interested in a hunter to trap one of the mobs in the last pack on fort weeks.

[pallid hare]

World content trinket?
Not useful for real content

[warm plinth]

Basically the same thing as an icon except crit instead of vers (unless you have other people with icon ofc)

It's not great but not bad either

[sick sentinel]

ragnaros hunter REALLY wanted it

[warm plinth]

Just a stat stick

[sick sentinel]

so i give it to him

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not anything special so if you didn't need it then yeet it

[sick sentinel]

+speed on a speed proc trinket is kind of funny

[warm plinth]

zoomzoom

It's like...~10-20% movespeed depending on the ilevel

[sick sentinel]

hes gunna be the fastest hunter in all the lands

[warm plinth]

Not bad

I think my rogue's 405 is around 15%

[grave flower]

Is there any benefit to macro shield block to anything?

[sick sentinel]

hey guys where cn i find the WA that Nerftank use for Ignore Pain? In this WA bar track the actual % of ignore pain instead of time remaining

[grave flower]

Search on wago for ignore pain tracker

His is one of the top 3 iirc

You can search by creator too.

[warm plinth]

No, not really. You can waste uptime if you end up pressing the macroed ability like at the end of a pull or something

Or right before downtime on a boss

It's probably not as important right now with how easy it is for us to maintain uptime, but it's not a habit you want to get into.

[grave flower]

In my head I was thinking of having it on shield slam so I never miss an empowered SS. I wouldn’t be hitting SS on downtime. End of a pull could be an issue

[warm plinth]

Someone was asking something along the lines of if they could make a macro similar to the IP one but for shield Block

And I couldn't think of a reason why not

Except that again if you ss at the end of a pack

It could cause the same issue I just described

[timid beacon]

Is anyone running any sort of different build for Dathea Heroic to deal with adds on the platforms? Our DH is running sigil of chains (I think that’s it) to help with AoE interrupt initially to get all the adds centralized

[grave flower]

If you don’t have a DK with you then run AOE kick.

[vital oak]

I think it's a tradeoff. Macroing it to SS means one less button that needs to be pressed. With our setup right now 100% uptime is easy. Macroing it also reduces the need to track it. IMO if you're not trying to get up to the #1 tank spots it's fine.

[warm plinth]

Well you wouldn't macro it to SS in that way

[vital oak]

why not?

[warm plinth]

You would macro it similar to the IP macro in the pins

But again, same issue I mentioned above

[vital oak]

minor issue

[warm plinth]

I mean you can play the game however you want. I just wouldn't recommend forming bad habits just to save a button.

[vital oak]

even if you hit shield block at the end of a pull, it'll be back up when you pull the next most of the time

[warm plinth]

We have had periods of time over the years where you had to put more thought into managing siheld block uptime

And I'm sure we will again eventually

[vital oak]

maybe, but if so, why not change with the times/talents?

[warm plinth]

And if you're used to just macroing it, then it could backfire

idk I'd rather just be proactive

[atomic inlet]

hey guys ithink my vers is low for a tank shoud i change my haste gems/ench for vers?

[warm plinth]

It's not like it's hard to press shield block

[warm plinth]

Your stats do not remotely matter

Just get ilevel

[vital oak]

but if you're pressing it close to on cooldown anyway why not?

[warm plinth]

You don't need to press it on CD though

It's got an 8 second duration with enduring defenses, and you extend it with shield slam

Why spend rage on SB when you can spend it on revenge

[atomic inlet]

ye but gem and ench are not realted to ilvl

[mighty valley]

pressing shield block spends rage, a thing you generally want to do smartly and not randomly

[atomic inlet]

so im asking if is houd change my ench gem from hast to vers

[warm plinth]

Haste is the most important stat when ilevel is not a factor

[atomic inlet]

ow ok

i have a lot of mastery 😦

[warm plinth]

It doesn't matter. Why do people think mastery is so bad lol

[mighty valley]

doesn't matter much

often when you sim, if your mastery is very low, it's your biggest dps increase

don't be scared of any stats

[warm plinth]

Gives more damage, gives crit block chance, gives bigger IPs, idk what the issue is

[vital oak]

the additional block chance from mastery is wasted so feels bad?

[atomic inlet]

cause my shield block is always up and mastery is not helping anything

[warm plinth]

Block chance is only part of mastery

[mighty valley]

it's not really tuned around the normal block chance

[warm plinth]

It also gives you attack power and crit block chance

[vital oak]

it's not all mastery does but still feels bad

[warm plinth]

And AP gives you bigger Ignore Pains

and more damage

[cinder storm]

Most streamers will advice haste/verse since its generalized best stat combo and people will take it like its a must

[atomic inlet]

ye but no 4p 😦

[warm plinth]

You still press IP do you not

What does 4p have to do with it

[atomic inlet]

i tought u talking about the ignore pain from 4p

[warm plinth]

Ignore Pain in general

[atomic inlet]

ow the talent

[vital oak]

it helps that too, any dam increases the IP

[warm plinth]

IP uses the same calculation as damage abilities to calculate the size of the absorb

[atomic inlet]

i mostly take the left one is isnt that better?

[vital oak]

the right side is better

[warm plinth]

Only time left is better is if you're doing super low content

[vital oak]

especially as your IP uptime increases with 4p and ilvl

[warm plinth]

But in that kind of content neither one really matters

[atomic inlet]

ow ok

[cinder storm]

Left is better for pvp afaik

[atomic inlet]

sinse u guys are here take a look at my talents i mostly run this for m+

tell me if anything is bad pleasae

[cinder storm]

Bolster is good for some tyrannical dungeons like rlp but not for your default dungeon build

Swap ITF for HR

[warm plinth]

You should be running Tough as Nails instead of Bolster and Heavy Repercussions instead of ItF

And ideally Battering Ram instead of Thunderlord

[fallow osprey]

Honed Reflexes better spent elsewhere, like the second node for Thunderous Roar. Rationale being that you get so many SS resets you’ll never actually see the CDR for it

[atomic inlet]

that haste is too much to give up tough

[cinder storm]

You can also take instigate instead of bloodsurge since its tyrannical week

[fallow osprey]

so all you’re actually getting is a second off of pummel 🤷‍♂️

[reef shoal]

is 73% uptime on shield block okay for a key?

[warm plinth]

Better to play Battering Ram than the other TR point

[cinder storm]

Not worth unless you have 40% base haste

[reef shoal]

or should it be 100%

[cinder storm]

should be 100%

[warm plinth]

Log it and check your blocked hits but 73% is a bit low

[warm plinth]

It's really not. You're making SB uptime harder for no reason.

[atomic inlet]

also sheild slam so i tought it was good

[fallen pulsar]

You can achieve 100% uptime with bolster and itf iirc but it requires you to use last stand in non-defensive purposes to maintain shield block

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[flat sorrel]

What’s your guys average parses in mythic+?

[fallow osprey]

See my prior comment, you’ll in practice hardly ever have to wait the full cooldown of SS

[warm plinth]

It's incredibly rare for Shield Slam to actually go its entire CD as is though

[tender cove]

Started today with a cos 17, 4 keys later im back to a cos 17

fml

[warm plinth]

You get tons of resets

[warm plinth]

Parses in Mythic+ are a joke and not something to even care about

[fallen pulsar]

Eh I mean, average damage is something to think about I think

[tender cove]

my parse is timed or not timed.

[atomic inlet]

hmm ye ur right

[warm plinth]

Not really. Varies based on ilevel, key level, dungeon, pull style

[cinder storm]

My healer does not want to play anymore, haven't found the desire to push with pugs for the past week, I know that's what's going to happen to me the moment I list my key

[warm plinth]

Asking someone else what damage they deal isn't helpful to me at all

[fallen pulsar]

True, but I’d still be concerned if you are pulling 20k dps over an entire m+

[warm plinth]

Well, yeah, extreme cases are a bad sign

But in general it's not particularly helpful info

[weak snow]

whats the best safty component for cr bracers?

[fallen pulsar]

I generally give a range, like most people I see tend to float 40k-50k dps over an m+ sometimes more sometimes less depending on dungeon, pulls, etc

[atomic inlet]

so i dropped honored reflex
what shoud i take

[warm plinth]

Bounding Stride is a good pick

Nice QoL talent

[tender cove]

Its been rough pugging but mostly i've had just toxic shit people who cant handle their mistakes and instead goes super syan rage mode for every little thing, even stupid shit like "why are you doing this route, such a bad tank, go back to 15s", while him and his 2 buddies died to frontals in AV xD

[fallen pulsar]

Idk if someone mentioned but I generally drop thunderlord and pick up the other shield charge subtalent

[tender cove]

Even the dragon boss?

like i cant really direct that xD

[slim dove]

everything is the tanks fault, always

[fallen pulsar]

The second one?

[slim dove]

ignore, block, move on

[tender cove]

ye

[slim dove]

w8 lmao second boss frontal you aim

i mean unless dps literally walk ontop of you

[fallen pulsar]

You can move it, but like they shouldnt move into it either

[fallow osprey]

Didn’t see if you got a response, but Uproar

[slim dove]

its not even a frontal, its a cleave

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah

[cinder storm]

If a dps dies to that cleave that's 100% on them

[tender cove]

yeh, but why would they walk in front? they have 180 degres to stand

[fallen pulsar]

The only time it can come up is if the add spawns behind you

[tender cove]

its not like i suddendly decided to run to them and face boss into the group xD

[cinder storm]

They usually run to the add by walking through the boss instead of moving away first

[tender cove]

and thats still only the ice cutter?

his orb thing is random?

not phase but that other shit he does?

[atomic inlet]

ok guys thanks for all the help

[fallen pulsar]

I’m saying the illusion add can spawn same side as the cleave

[tender cove]

9/10 times i wait in that case and pray they get interupts

[flat sorrel]

Do y’all have trouble getting into 20+ keys? Not sure why I can never get a group. I’m 2500 io with 407 iLvl I just don’t have my 4 set.

[cinder storm]

You are not supposed to, but then again, if you charge the illusion you avoid cleave damage

[fallen pulsar]

I mean they can and should wait for the cleave to happen first and then move to add

[tender cove]

I couldnt get into a 14 yd. I dont even try to apply anymore, only do my own keys

[fallen pulsar]

Or just take a longer path around

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto why are you breaking Discord

[lusty grotto]

what i do

i plead the fifth

[warm plinth]

You broke it

[lusty grotto]

how

wat happen

[warm plinth]

It just died for a few mins

It's still being slow

[lusty grotto]

oh

yes, my fault

i spilled apple juice from my sippy cup on the 200 pound dell laptop thats running the servers

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit hello wonderful friends, been a while since I wished you a fantastic day and hope you guys are still enjoying Dragonflight

I just face frontals to the group so I can share

Seems rude not to

[potent anvil]

[analog sparrow]

Is there something I can do on sbg final boss to help my team not get targeted by maladiction while we're killing the wall?

[slim dove]

does arms truely own next week, im so tired of carpal tunnel fury in raid

[warm plinth]

Best bet is for melee/you to bait it to the opposite side of your ranged

Won't always work but i'tll help

wdym you have Claw Frenzy

[slim dove]

i really want a raid that has interesting bosses

[warm plinth]

fair

[potent anvil]

Possibly

[tender cove]

did discord go down for everyone else?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

I think Nimchip tripped over the power cord

[tender cove]

About that AV i did. Only thing im not 100% sure about and prob do wrong is last boss. When do you leave ledge? First thundering?

[warm plinth]

Is raid tanking ever very fun though, to be fair

[weak snow]

best prot weapon enchant? :>

[warm plinth]

You don't even need to stand on the ledge really. You can just kite the boss around the edge as the orbs become a problem. The only important thing is to keep him near the wall so the crystals aren't all over the place

mooman exploiting smh

Ah yes, the invisible wall. Blizzard's bandaid fix to everything that they fail to implement correctly half the time

My favorite thing is when they fail the invisible wall so hard that they just put in a kill box that randomly destroys you if you glide wrong on a DH

e.g. Atal'Dazar

[tender cove]

and just expect dps to come clear thundering and not move?

advanced tech

[warm plinth]

Uh, kinda?

I think it's 60% maxed out instead of 70

Wonder if that makes you faster than the orbs even with max stacks

You're free now this week

gottem

[weak snow]

best prot food? mainstat? or haste+crit?

[warm plinth]

Main stat

[weak snow]

phial? 😄

[halcyon dust]

Yes, phial is good.

😉

[rapid rover]

Anybody struggle with evoker healer?

Partner and i can do:
Her: 15-16 mythics with our mates.
Me 17-18 mythics pug.

But we cannot do a run together to save ourselves and i have no idea why

[warm plinth]

Who is playing what

[rapid rover]

Heal logs will be.
Her: 8 mill
Me: 6 or so.

Im prot and shes presvoker

[warm plinth]

Heal logs are not really a good indicator of anything. If no one dies then she's healing enough

(assuming they didn't die because they got hit by something they weren't supposed to)

[rapid rover]

Nah its just we slowly fizzle out in a fight

[fallow osprey]

Since you can get 2500 by doing like what, everything on 18 or something? Then ppl are going to see you as having experience below the 20 range. Not saying that’s the case but it might be their thought

[warm plinth]

Well, we can certainly evaluate your performance but she'd probably have to go to the evoker disc to get an answer to her gameplay. Evoker is a bit more complicated than it seems on the surface to some people.

[rapid rover]

80% through peeps will start dying or ill get cracked when im on 100% defensive cd 2 mins in

Awesome ty. Ill get some data on future runs

[warm plinth]

Healers definitely got the short end of the stick this expansion thus far though. Healing has quite a bit higher skill floor than it has had in the recent past.

https://www.discord.gg/evoker is the evoker disc if she's not already in it

Sorry wrong link

There we go

[rapid rover]

Yeah shes asking there now haha. Thanks heaps

[warm plinth]

Sure thing

[unborn forge]

Hi guys, is the https://www.wowhead.com/item=191623/unstable-frostfire-belt still a nice upgrade to craft? provided I will not raid so no ring to empower it?

[weak snow]

help me! 😄 which phial does prot want in m+ ? 😄

[unborn forge]

I'm using eye of the storm

[warm plinth]

It's the same as the other embellishments damage-wise. I'd probably not make it if I wasn't going to get the rings since other embellishments can be placed on pieces where I have control over the stats.

[sick sentinel]

Haste/Crit for the Primal Molten Defender, right?

[unborn forge]

thank you for the reply, aside from "Armor Spikes" the other "good" embelishment is fangs which can only be apply to a weapon right?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, or lariat

[limber flame]

haste crit or haste vers up to you

[warm plinth]

All of the embellishments provide around the same increase

[unborn forge]

thxx, already got shield and lariat...got a 1h from vault

and I was thinking what to get... just reroll from a guardian druid last week

[reef shoal]

which missive did you guys use for ur lariat?

[vital oak]

haste/crit

[reef shoal]

there's not crit/haste right?

[vital oak]

it's the same

[reef shoal]

thank god

sorry im in a hurry, thanks a lot

[tender cove]

the right play in AA is vex, tree, grawth right?

and hero vex, grawth?

[warm plinth]

That's what we run, yes

[vital oak]

I go tree, vex, craw

[warm plinth]

Tree doesn't need lust anymore

[tender cove]

or worth doing tree, clearing vex trash and then grawth hero?

[slim dove]

tree is free and weird overlaps on vex can cause wipes

[tender cove]

i just feel like vex and grawth are the ones who need hero

[warm plinth]

Yeah you want lust on Vex and Crawth

[tender cove]

what healer is best suited to carry me on crawth xD

evoker? they can remove the bleed right?

[warm plinth]

Evoker is OP for any of those nasty tankbuster fights

[slim dove]

evoker but the short range is actually pretty shit for that fight.

had the best luck with hpal unironically when i pug it.

[warm plinth]

Being able to use cauterize and then time dilation

is so fuckin OP

[grand locust]

hey all, just wiped multiple times on crawth, i couldnt stay up. i figured it was the healer pulling 30k hps, however he said the following to me. im not sure i follow what he's saying, could someone explain this to me? if its something im doing wrong i definitely want to fix it:

[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: Maybe if you learn to use your cds at the right time it will work
[20:38] [P] [Blidz]: ?
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: Details!: Damage Taken By Spell for trash [2:19 EF]
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 1. [Deafening Screech] 4.51M (46.3%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 2. [Savage Peck] ..... 3.80M (39.0%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 3. [Auto Attack] ..... 1.30M (13.3%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: Details!: Damage Taken By Spell for trash [2:19 EF]
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 4. [Fel Armor] ........ 112.8K (1.2%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 1. [Deafening Screech] 4.51M (46.3%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 5. [Overpowering Gust] 21.5K (0.2%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 2. [Savage Peck] ..... 3.80M (39.0%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 3. [Auto Attack] ..... 1.30M (13.3%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 4. [Fel Armor] ........ 112.8K (1.2%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 5. [Overpowering Gust] 21.5K (0.2%)
[20:38] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: You took 4M damage from the boss's dot
[20:39] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: Details!: Damage Prevented for trash [2:19 EF]
[20:39] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: 1. Blidz .............. 1.67M (69.4%)
[20:39] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: And it only managed to mitigate 1.67 that's less than 40%
[20:39] [P] [Volgin-Frostmourne]: soo
[20:39] [P] [Ziraël-Azralon]: The ideal for you to do any dg is to be able to mitigate about 70%

[slim dove]

i dont think he understands how bleeds work.

[next palm]

You can remove the bleed

[tender cove]

I cant remember who posted this but is it good for a +18?

[next palm]

As healer

[grand locust]

its purgeable?

[next palm]

Yes

[slim dove]

? hpal can bop it off, evoker can cleanse it once a minute.

[tender cove]

you can only dwarf it and evoker?

i guess bop too, ye.

[slim dove]

its not a magic effect jfc

[silk sandal]

pull 10 and 11 might be a pain. Might be easier to pull the trash between vex and crawth and cut down on the stuff before the last boss

[warm plinth]

The bleed is absolutely not removable by healers

Except evoker on a 1 min CD

Or paladin with BoP

[next palm]

But leave big cds always near 4th stack

[slim dove]

id rather skip end trash and just do the shit between vex and crawth.

[warm plinth]

idk what the hell that 70% number is coming from

But he just doesn't understand the mechanic

[grand locust]

perhaps i dont either - its just a tankbuster with a bleed after right?

[slim dove]

yes

[warm plinth]

Yes

It's completely unavoidable and not blockable

[slim dove]

"just" a tankbuster

[warm plinth]

The healer will absolutely have to do work on you on that fight because it happens too often to have CDs for all of them

[slim dove]

its pretty fun tanking crawth on a 20 and seeing that 4 stack peck about to hit

[tender cove]

how dangerous are the foragers? can you combine it with the jumpy boy dragon in a 3 pull safely? at least on tyr?

after the bridge

[grand locust]

yeah i was essentially rotating out demo shout, avatar, shield wall, last stand, and rallying cry and still would run out of CDs

[slim dove]

uh, the little worm dudes?

[tender cove]

I do it after first bridge but it always feels so and so

[tender cove]

ye

[slim dove]

they do nothing

[warm plinth]

Yeah sounds like you were doing what you should. I wouldn't let it bug you. You can always post a log if you have it and we can evaluate it

[grand locust]

i do!

ill upload now

[warm plinth]

But from that limited info, sounds like more of a healing problem than a you problem

[slim dove]

pull them up to a point where explosive is too much

[slim dove]

also not to be a raider IO scum but hes never healed higher then a 13 court.

🤷

[warm plinth]

varughh

[grand locust]

shit, i got fooled by the raw io score

[tender cove]

so something like this instead?

[slim dove]

iirc mdt isn't accurate and you need that 3 pack at the top before elavator

but yes, that.

[tender cove]

it says i have 451/450 count though?

[slim dove]

that entire platform at pull 6 you can do at once

thats why i said

if i recall correctly

[warm plinth]

we don't do the top 3 mobs in pull 11 here

[slim dove]

mdt isn't accurate

[warm plinth]

But we do the 3 mobs you don't have selected up at the top of the image

[tender cove]

okok

[grand locust]

ok nvm i dont have log

didnt start logging

[warm plinth]

sadge

Oh well, maybe next time

[grand locust]

i wish it was fully automated

where i didnt have to do anyhting manually

[warm plinth]

You can get addons that automate it

[grand locust]

oh really?

[warm plinth]

I use Loggerhead

[grand locust]

i want everything to be logged

do you still ahve to hit "go" on the warcraft log app tho

thats what i forgot to do

[warm plinth]

Well, yeah

You can do that any time though

[tender cove]

rio addon does it for you.

[warm plinth]

All the app is doing is uploading the log. You don't have to do it at any given time

[grand locust]

oh

[tender cove]

no, thats live logging, all your logs will be saved for enterinty, just upload them

[grand locust]

i thought it was physically saving he log

oh then maybe i do have it

[warm plinth]

Live logging will basically upload the log as you're going as I understand it (never used it myself) but that's more for like high ranked guilds prog raiding than anything else

[signal ivy]

does intimidating shout interupt the bursts on raz

[warm plinth]

Not necessary for most people

[reef shoal]

which gems did you guys put in ur lariat?

[warm plinth]

haste/crit

[reef shoal]

is the stam + haste gem good?

[tender cove]

yeh, the guild uses that to check troughout the raid.

[warm plinth]

No

[signal ivy]

no to my question gash?

[reef shoal]

it shoul dbe crit/haste right?

[warm plinth]

Should be a double secondary gem or the primary stat gem

[reef shoal]

because it always procs the lower one?

[warm plinth]

No sorry that was to the stam+haste gem question @signal ivy

I don't raid so I can't answer your question unfortunately.

[tender cove]

what is it lariat actually procs off? I recently changed all my gems to haste/versa cuz i legit had 700 rating.

[grim grotto]

you have a good advise for rlp 2nd boss debuff? is it possible to prevent the stacks somehow?

[tender cove]

pray

[warm plinth]

Lariat procs based off the gem element. Which is based on the "main" stat of the gem. That being said, the "main" stat is actually the lower stat on the two stat gems.

So if you have a gem that's 70 crit and 33 haste or w/e a rank 3 is, then it will proc crit

If you have gems of multiple types, it'll be random

[tender cove]

so mine is proccing versa then meh

[silk sandal]

Is there a particular reason that rumbling ruby isn't listed under trinkets on the guides? It seems to outperform most of the trinkets listed in the guide in dungeon slice and in m+

[warm plinth]

Yes, yours would proc vers

[warm plinth]

It's a decent M+ trinket. I don't even think most of the item lists have been updated since before the season started

[silk sandal]

thats fair

[warm plinth]

Because BiS lists are generally not that useful

[tender cove]

it used to be bugged afaik but they fixed it. prob why

[slim dove]

sims better then it performs

2-3% overall for me compared to whetstones 6-8% or all-totems 3.5-5.5% 🤷

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 2-3% is a "decent" trinket. We just have a lot of outliers this season with whetstone, all-totem and grieftorch

[silk sandal]

my most recent dungeon yeah had whetstone at 8% and rumbling ruby at 4%. Both 415

[tender cove]

speaking of sims, does hoof sim the explosion to always hit or nah?

cuz like, if it does hit consistently and not outside packs? its always 5-6% for me

[warm plinth]

I assume so

[slim dove]

hoof is fun but brrr goes whetstone is more fun lol

[warm plinth]

Most trinkets sim with their entire effect always happening

[tender cove]

This aint normal right? Overall for my last cos run

[silk sandal]

This doesn't look to be the case fwiw, I actually have it doing a higher % in a dungeon than it is in a sim. Sims 3.6% for me and then did 4.04% in most recent dungeon

[warm plinth]

I tell you guys, you ever want a moment of entertainment, just look at Luna's discord statuses

She's got some doozies

[slim dove]

haven't simmed in a while, probably updated.

[warm plinth]

Looking at %s is a mistake because if you do worse damage, a trinket will look better %-wise.

Compare the actual damage it dealt, not the % of damage

[silk sandal]

Thats a fair point

[slim dove]

pretty normal. cos is small pull hell.

[warm plinth]

Yeah depends on the dungeon. All the bigger pulls are either wyrms or imps,, both of which die very fast

so even if you had whetstone up for them, the pack would die after probably the 2nd tick

[lusty tiger]

how do i track who killed how many explosives?

[warm plinth]

Get the details plugin on curseforge

search details explosive, should pop up

Then change it to dynamic overall explosives or w/e it is

on the meter

[sick sentinel]

valdrakken 26 ez

[warm plinth]

I think I'm at like

9

And that's my highest renown

[tender cove]

im at 14, 11, 12, and 15 for valdrakken, top to buttom

havent done a single daily

[tender cove]

the rep buff at lvl 10 is pretty huge for alts, the 100% rep. Makes you finish the aiding weekly double as fast.

[lusty tiger]

perfect ty

[warm plinth]

I am a notoriously bad rep grinder

I've gone out of my way to grind like

4 reps in my 17 years of W

WoW

Cobalt assembly, and then the three reps for the Diplomat title

[tender cove]

Any other tips for this AA 18 ill do after some food?
It's been so weird, like, 8/10 runs i do with guild is just straight shit and for some reason its me fucking up.
But in pugs, even when shit, its usually timeable, and its rarely me making the mistakes in pugs... So really wanna show up with a 19 or 20 tomorrow and be like HA!

xD

[sick sentinel]

a more optimistic yogi here

had those rep bags many many many times in bfa

[warm plinth]

Even flying reps I never went out of my way to grind, just got them eventually lol

[warm plinth]

Is it actually you fucking up or are they just blaming you?

[tender cove]

Bit of both. I mean. I do get some shit from the healer occasionally and often i feel like, bro, heal more.
But i also dont know 100% if its actually me or not. I dont have the experince that i can relax and focus on what everyone and the big picture stuff while actually tanking.

Today in the guild cos. I was just straight garbo, i fat fingered leap into a triple pull and made our only pug leave

so that one was 100% me but more struggle runs, i dunno. I dont feel its 100% me but more a combination of lower dps and lower healing.

But i also know 100%, i dont play at my best ability, i still have tons to learn so its hard to gauge

[proud dock]

any good AA strats to deal with time loss clearing tree adds?

[slim dove]

i have leap and heroic throw on the same bind, just a shift mod

ive def leaped into bad spots a few times, it happens

[warm plinth]

Pull bigger

[slim dove]

skitter + 1 lasher

then double lasher.

pulling them all is a bad time.

[tender cove]

my SW is shift-q and my leap is q. So sometimes if im fast/panicing, i just leap away after the SW pops and since its @cursor it can be wonky

but it happens like 1 in 10 dungeons.

[proud dock]

bruh if i do even triple pull theres like 300 orbs

kekW

[tender cove]

brooo

thank you for telling me lol... I would have 100% done the big pull not thinking about explosives xD

[proud dock]

nah still do it and blame dps

kekW

[tender cove]

blame healer you mean? 😄

[proud dock]

everyone but me

im just tank

[rapid rover]

If i have a 405 strike twice is it worth still getting a 408 primal made?

[tender cove]

how many orbs spawn? is it one per mob pulled?

and on what intervals? 15/30 sec?

[slim dove]

not really, aim for a 418 primal 🙂

[rapid rover]

Its a chance based on each mob

[warm plinth]

I believe it's capped at like 4 or 5 that can spawn at any given time, but there's not really a minimum interval before the next spawn, which is why big pulls can get out of hand since you'll have the initial 4-5 spawn, then very shortly after another 4-5 can spawn

[rapid rover]

Ty will do!

They can be LoS though

[tender cove]

and you cant outrange them right?

[rapid rover]

Its just not always viable

[warm plinth]

You can but it's really far

60 yards I believe

[rapid rover]

Pulling to a wall or pillar can be helpful for big pulls

[warm plinth]

Not something you could realistically do. They probably only even have a range so that people don't get hit running back after a death

[tender cove]

how do you play cos trash btw? Do you go consistent or hope for toys and clear 2nd area if unlucky, even though the trash is worse?

[warm plinth]

idk none of the trash in CoS is particularly dangerous outside of the cats

I clear the same going up to 1st boss every time, and then just adjust in 2nd boss area as needed

[tender cove]

the charging station guy and his packs feels like it takes forever and the only good % is the enforcers for 5%?

[slim dove]

clear harbor cuz its free

youll always get 2 skips iirc

[warm plinth]

Construct packs take forever because people don't kick

Charging station can't be kicked by a single melee so you need some level of coordination to kick that each time + the stun

[tender cove]

So you just pull the big aoe pack and go down to harbor, clear everything and then? Could you plz post the mdt?

[slim dove]

not ingame + lazy, first pull is construct + cats + guard + sentry

second is all harbor

rest is the same

[azure valley]

Boys what are good personal potions for M15+?

[tender cove]

im noob, you cant say "rest is same" because its unlikley my same is your same xD

[slim dove]

you pull 2nd stage based on what toys you get.

for the most part

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't always pull around the items either, depending

[slim dove]

its an absurdly easy dungeon to time and you'll only get cocked by last boss.

[warm plinth]

Like if you're gonna go way over trash just to get another item, don't bother

[slim dove]

^

but i will pull an extra pack to get 10% haste, fuck it

[warm plinth]

Though you don't have to since it's on the ramp XD

[azure valley]

Boys what are good personal potions to use for high keys m+

[slim dove]

tru

10% crit tho i will pull for kek

[warm plinth]

yeah ez 2 mobs, worth

[slim dove]

elemental power 9 times out of 10

aoe lightning pot is nice to hang onto for various reasons.

[azure valley]

@slim dove thx what is it doing? Healtth haste?

[warm plinth]

I've heard the lightning pot is quite shocking

😏

[slim dove]

?

[tender cove]

I've missed 4x 2 chest today with like 7, 9, 12 and 17 secs.
And honestly? I feel its the dratnos routes holding me back.
Think i have like 1 or 2 routes that are "mine made" but rest is yolo atm

[warm plinth]

Dratnos routes are a fucking meme 90% of the time

That being said, a lot of the dungeons this season are linear so there's not exactly a lot of customization to be had

[slim dove]

cos just requires you to think on the fly

and adjust route accordingly.

most of the time though its gonna be the same slog with 1 or 2 diff pulls.

[warm plinth]

Yeah basically all I do is go for minibosses either from enforcer or items and pull shit that's in the way, avoiding the bridge and boss patrol

[tender cove]

does any1 have the first area cos route? I just want to visually see what you do.

[warm plinth]

And then if I need some after I have all the minibosses down, I'll pull some of the skippable packs

[tender cove]

Can you click the first pillar without pulling the pack next to it btw?

[warm plinth]

Not anymore

In Legion you could, but they gave everything an extended aggro range in the DF version

[old lantern]

New tank here, never tanked before. Whats the best way to find routes for dungeons?

[warm plinth]

Sorry if it's hard to see; this is keystone guru but hopefully you can see it

[tender cove]

what is the green line on pull 4?

[slim dove]

patrol

iirc

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's the patrol

Just showing the path

[tender cove]

Do you skip the pillar on the pack after 5th?

and do 4/5?

[warm plinth]

No

[nova cloak]

what would be the best RWS trinket procc for us to aim for?

[warm plinth]

You can do all the beacons in the first boss room without pulling anything

We skip RP by failing the spy

[tender cove]

huh? after 2nd boss?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

Just have someone talk to an incorrect one

[tender cove]

wait, is this what decides if you get full RP at melandrus or not?

cuz ive been going crazy over that

[slim dove]

yes

[warm plinth]

There's like 3 things that can cancel the long RP

[tender cove]

FINALLY someone tells me lmao

[warm plinth]

Either skip a beacon, let a sound alarm go off on a beacon, or fail the spy game

All 3 are required to be done perfectly to get the achievement (the long RP is the achievement)

But failing the spy game is the only one that doesn't add a mob somewhere that has to be dealt with in some way

And it doesn't add any time really

[tender cove]

Interesting, ye I got the achive randomly in one key and ive been asking everytime we get full RP what the hell decides it but nobody has known

should have just asked here i guess 😄

I just saw this from my co tank under our tank channel.
Is it legit? I'm i better for boss duty?
"reconsider my Blood DK as a trash pack tank or to swap to DPS for the Diurna fight...the 65% healing debuff completely wrecks my mitigation and I can barely focus on the movement of the boss cuz I don't wanna die every 30 seconds"

The idea WAS for me todo staff duty but last minute they changed saying "i'm far better for add duty cuz my aoe and dps is much higher".

BDK is the only tank i've never played, havent even lvled one.

[slim dove]

im very doubtful of bdk outdpsing prot warrior

[tender cove]

Nah, i do almost twice his dps ST. But who is the best for tanking boss/adds of us two?

[cinder nova]

M or H Brood

[tender cove]

heroic

[cinder nova]

Probably irrelevant. My VDH co-tank does boss.

And they have no armor and are explicitly healing reliant.

[old lantern]

Whats the best way for finding routes through dungeons?

[slim dove]

bdk handles broodkeeper just fine

[cinder nova]

Unironically a skill issue. Send him this.

[slim dove]

have AMS for every tankbuster and he has plenty of CDs to rotate through

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-get-good-git-gud-dance-gif-14085098

[wide charm]

Keystone.guru you can find some there, but i would say watch videos/streams and ask your friends what routes they have seen other tanks do

[old lantern]

Ty

[wide charm]

And you can also just try your own and see what works and what doesnt

[tender cove]

So there's nothing about the mortal wounds affecting his self heal super badly compared to me?

[wide charm]

because what a pro player does in +25 will not be the best thing to try in your keys

[cinder nova]

Not to the point where it should matter.

[tender cove]

okok, fair enough

[cinder nova]

If a VDH can tank it, he can tank it.

Any tank can do brood just fine on H.

[slim dove]

the fact he thinks he does better on adds is a laugh

[tender cove]

He did, we had our first kill this reset but going forward he wants me todo it i guess. I just wanted to know if I excel at boss or smt. Not so much about his skill.

[cinder nova]

It can't hurt to do it for learning route if you lack the knowledge, but beyond that, it's pretty pointless.

[warm plinth]

lol is that gwynn

[cinder nova]

Yeah.

[warm plinth]

that's funny

[sick sentinel]

need more variety this week

[tender cove]

I cant soak every ball on vex right?

all dps just said "you soak them bro"

[restive oak]

i just soak them til the frontal come out then plant

[warm plinth]

I mean, DPS can soak 1 and it's not a big deal

[sick sentinel]

how many balls are you expected to stack lightning boss before you blow up from stacks or is it also that the boss gets orbs he blows up group

[tender cove]

i usually soak my top 2 but all 5?

[sick sentinel]

on a 15 say