i just like the option to have a possible big out when there is magic dmg
#protection
unkempt imp
What magic dam is there in hov besides dragon breaths?
warm plinth
What magic dam is there in hov besides dragon breaths?
Shield of Light on Hyrja
icy bane
Just dodge the balls
sick sentinel
true, but you can block them, they are annoying to dodge
strong forum
Absolutely not in cos
warm plinth
They come out in a fixed pattern
sick sentinel
There’s 1 balls, move left, 3 balls then 2 again
strong forum
That dungeon is 100% phys damage, and 0 tank busters
sick sentinel
2*
icy bane
I think lepantoe posted a video now to dodge sanctify 100% while being close to dps
unkempt imp
Okay yea but does shield on hyrja justify taking spellblock haha
sick sentinel
im not saying its a good idea to get hit by those gold balls im saying it works on them, and they hurt a little bit
strong forum
Sanctify is easy to dodge
hardy snow
if you dont change stance at all, and always stay in one - its not tracked in logs
strong forum
It's always a fixed pattern
warm plinth
Then you should probably play max melee range
reef holly
the visual change with hyrja's balls was great
warm plinth
the visual change with hyrja's balls was great
It was quite jarring at first but I like them now that I've done it a few times
inland adder
What magic dam is there in hov besides dragon breaths?
Emotional damage from people getting cleaved
Does that count
strong forum
It's not a detriment to run it everywhere, but in almost half of the keys it barely gets more than 1 use
icy bane
I like it in AV, RLP, TOJS but I also like face tanking
sick sentinel
I bind my spell block to C, for some reason, in case people were curious
strong forum
In HoV the only 3 uses you get on Spellblock are on dragons and hyrja
That's it.
3 uses in 1 dungeon
sick sentinel
it felt right at the time and that was something that was already bou nd
cinder storm
This happened to me yesterday, rogue died before hyrja spawned, while we were waiting druid's adaptive swarm hit the boss, boss didn't aggro, by the time rogue came back boss was already back on the platform and bugged out, luckily it was just an alt run
sick sentinel
but i stopped using C with DF
reef holly
To all who play other tank classes: is prot warrior really the easiest to play? Been seeing this commentary a lot on the interweb forums
strong forum
Prot is really easy
sick sentinel
dk is also REALLY easy too
icy bane
Keep SB up, keep IP up, click damage buttons 
strong forum
That's a statement
warm plinth
This is not Season 4 BFA
strong forum
Bdk is one of the hardest tanks
warm plinth
er, SL*
inland adder
Dk is not that easy lol
cinder storm
All tanks are easy, but prot is not the easiest
inland adder
as a dk you get brez and grabby arms and ranged spell lock
Chatting
warm plinth
That doesn't make it easy
reef holly
Cool- I feel like I am constantly smashing buttons
icy bane
Think you are confusing utility of a class = easier to play
reef holly
But I guess that's all classes 
strong forum
Pwar is a bit faster than others
sick sentinel
well, i have to form groups around actively thinking if i need to invite Brezzer or not
strong forum
But to get by, pwar is absolutely easy now
sick sentinel
must be nice to be able brez ppl
reef holly
Is everyone using an MMO mouse? That was a gamechanger for me
strong forum
Just copy an HR talent build
And mash everything on CD
And you'll get by
Until quite high keys
cinder storm
Something that feels weird in contrast to shadowland, is how you can turn your back to adds and still not die
inland adder
….
strong forum
Que?
sick sentinel
well, okay, you go have fun with that
reef holly
Something that feels weird in contrast to shadowland, is how you can turn your b...
never tried this
cinder storm
modern brook
warm plinth
Is everyone using an MMO mouse? That was a gamechanger for me
I use one. It's definitely...easier? But I also did kind of a weird thing when I didn't have one that made more bindings fairly simple
strong forum
Not entirely wrong, but that's moreso cuz mobs melee for less
sick sentinel
im not trying that shit, you can
cinder storm
Like you'd turn your back for 0.5s in SL and you'd get clapped, in DF you do that and it's like, "oh yeah, thats why I got chunked a bit"
unkempt imp
What you guys don't /moon mobs mid pull?
warm plinth
I had a mouse that had the forward/back buttons on the side before I bought an MMO mouse. So I bound forward/back to ctrl/alt and just had modifiers for everything
modern brook
Amh
sick sentinel
i just use a normal gaming mouse
icy bane
I had a mouse that had the forward/back buttons on the side before I bought an M...
That’s what I do and it’s been perfectly fine
sick sentinel
normal branded gaming mouse, not a generic one sorry
warm plinth
I use a g600 now though and I love it.
reef holly
I have the logitech mouse with the 12 buttons and man- it makes life great
sick sentinel
still budget basic bitch shit, but normal gaming mouse
reef holly
still budget basic bitch shit, but normal gaming mouse
Get MMO mouse, gamechanger
sick sentinel
i didn't like it
reef holly
Takes a while to get used to tho
sick sentinel
i thought it was stupid
warm plinth
What is a "gaming" mouse exactly
sick sentinel
g502 hero
general gaming mouse, mostly made towards shooters, but gaming in general
I use the gpro wireless, and will never go back
warm plinth
g502 is so overrated imo. Buttons are weirdly positioned to me
sick sentinel
Bought a aerrox mmo mouse and hated it
reef holly
The MMO mice are great, I have heroic throw, all my shouts, ravager, shield wall, last stand, all on individual buttons
cinder storm
I've found having 4-6 extra mouse buttons helps, will try one of those 12 mouse buttons one of these days
sick sentinel
the other mouse i have that i don't use is a MX master 3
unkempt imp
I use 502 now I used to use mmo mouse for years
sick sentinel
and then g600 i think its called mmo
warm plinth
Yeah, g600 is the one I've used for like 4 or 5 years
sick sentinel
I just don’t like the size of the mmo noises
i only really buy logitech and microsoft mice, i had a MS sidewinder like 10 years ago now
cold pollen
steelseries are nice and robust
reef holly
Yeah the g600 is the one I have
cold pollen
Nagasaki suck or requires a shit thumb
reef holly
also have last stand on the third button
unkempt imp
I like 502 because of how long it is I have big hands
reef holly
sorry ralying cry on third button
unkempt imp
A lot of mmo mouse are too small
I envy ppl with small hands I can't NOT wrist aim in shooters fucking dumb
astral crystal
he ponders the orb
sick sentinel
hes 2200 io is what he is
warm plinth
Yeah I've known a few people to use those. One person I know uses the orbweaver or w/e thing (the 1-handed keyboard or whatever the fuck it's supposed to be)
unkempt imp
Have you guys seen those rings you can use instead of a mouse haha
cinder storm
He's just built different
sick sentinel
he's a DK, it is what it is
quiet monolith
so i have tier gloves but at garbage ilvl. no tier bracer or legs yet. 398 matriarchs girdle with leech... only used 2 sparks so far. Lariat/shield
you think its worth spending more sparks? and on what
was hoping for fire rings, and then was going to craft belt
cinder storm
Weapon usually
icy bane
What’s wep like?
quiet monolith
402 wep, only have up to raz tokens
so best bet is 3 lvl upgrade
till i can get into +16
quiet monolith
i feel like i cant get into 16s because im sitting at 397 ilvl
icy bane
409 ilvl still using cobalt ring
Cobalt gang rise up
Just farmed the rep while doing 66-70 on my brew
cinder storm
Yeah, your ilvl is not keeping you from farming 16s, your io is, but again, there's probably 10 tanks who are at least 402-405 applying to those 16s
I'd personally take a higher io tank with low ilvl than a low io tank with high ilvl
quiet monolith
yea
modern brook
I havent read past the shield/sword/plus icon in over 3 years
reef holly
How cluttered is everyone's UI? I want to see how mine compares
sick sentinel
dense ledge
i feel like i cant get into 16s because im sitting at 397 ilvl
and when you get in you are in for a treat? 
reef holly
i feel like i cant get into 16s because im sitting at 397 ilvl
I've gotten in at 392
dense ledge
current reset?
reef holly
ppl are desperate on my server i guess
unkempt imp
So besides higher damage/threat any other reason I might value a better weapon vs a chest piece? I'd imagine the armor on a chest piece would be nice for survivability l
sick sentinel
i've had mixed reviews on my server
odd group recognizes me and kicks
but, lots of fans too, kick is like 3/100 groups scenario at worst lol
lime rivet
odd group recognizes me and kicks
My ignore list has never been larger than this time around lol, it feels like there’s more toxic people than usual. still a lot of great people, fortunately
sick sentinel
forgive and forget with 99% of people, unblock at later point, make mental note of extreme repeat problem boys
rough egret
How are you famous? 🙂
lime rivet
forgive and forget with 99% of people, unblock at later point, make mental note ...
lol I actually accidentally grouped with someone on my ignore list, and didn’t realize until after when I was like “hey he did pretty good, I’m gonna message him…… oh wait”
modern brook
So besides higher damage/threat any other reason I might value a better weapon v...
armor is on 11 of your peices
weapon damage is on 1
higher weapon damage -> higher ip's as well
but generally speaking just having higher AP scaling is good
reef holly
most on my short ignore list are from ragnaros
sick sentinel
let me put this in a more easier term to understand, i can give you a rocket launcher or a pistol
what you really gunna take
uneven mason
Well depends
hushed garden
guys, i am having problems on tanking and i dont understand wtf is going on.
sick sentinel
can someone share the over pull route for nokhud?
reef holly
guys, i am having problems on tanking and i dont understand wtf is going on.
tell us of your troubles my son
strong forum
Tanking is all about comfortably and knowledge
reef holly
can someone share the over pull route for nokhud?
94% before taking back way to final boss
sick sentinel
every single time i attempt to map it out in my head doing nokhud i always fuck it up and we go to final boss with 70-85%
strong forum
Yeah that's a big fuck up
hushed garden
ty dad, so xD. i try my best to keep Ignore pain and shield block as much as i can, but the thing is i dont generate rage so i can make it 100
sick sentinel
ive tried doing it the mental way, but i cant work out exactly the MDT im gunna need to take
strong forum
You need to pull like 5 extra packs at 3rd boss
sick sentinel
ghunna try looking see if i find one on raider io
hushed garden
i have good stats, i have 31 haste, 18 crit, and 16 mastery followed by 15 versa
reef holly
every single time i attempt to map it out in my head doing nokhud i always fuck ...
clear almost all trash on 3rd boss until you fly the back way to final boss
hushed garden
and i dont understand.. like some keys destroy me... i am 400ilvl and sometimes i die cuz i get too much dmg
hushed garden
i press only slam and clap
sick sentinel
would it be a good idea to fly to the giant patrol pack and zerg that as very first pull
strong forum
Sending offensive CDs on cdc
strong forum
And using most outbursts on shieldslam
sick sentinel
since everyone has CD's' and its a big % count
i've pulled that pack, and it destroys us
i believe its this one, i guess you just never pull it?
reef holly
would it be a good idea to fly to the giant patrol pack and zerg that as very fi...
I typically do one patrol pack, the big 6 patrol pack, with all the catapults
But yeah you can probably do one more patrol pack over there- mightve done that last time i was in there
prime sphinx
Do the pack at the 4 or someone will ass pull anyway
wooden widget
You guys think they’ll ever take shield slam off the gcd?
sick sentinel
normally i just go catapult, inner, catapult ???? catapult, boss
spark nest
So, I gave Heroic Terros a spin last night.... Is a quarter million damage on an auto attack normal in Heroics? I imagine I'll need to be maintaining better uptime and cooldown management for Shield Block, but I was still taken aback by just how much his basic melee did. How do Non-Warriors deal with that, if they don't have SB?
reef holly
normally i just go catapult, inner, catapult ???? catapult, boss
Yeah clear a couple patrols along with the big 6 patrol
wooden widget
I’m not sure why it’s on there. We have two arms
reef holly
normally i just go catapult, inner, catapult ???? catapult, boss
And then literally kill all trash at third boss until 94%
the pros can chime in here if there is a better way
prime sphinx
So, I gave Heroic Terros a spin last night.... Is a quarter million damage on a...
We have like 500k hp only way u get hit 250k with sb up means u got like 4 debuff stacks
deft kiln
So, I gave Heroic Terros a spin last night.... Is a quarter million damage on a...
Was this on second slam stack or just normal dmg?
spark nest
Was this on second slam stack or just normal dmg?
The other tank and I were swapping after 1 Slam, so I believe it was with only 1 stack.
Unless Heroic has the stack drop off more slowly/Slams more often?
deft kiln
I’d definitely double check. Each slam increases the physical dmg you take by 100%, and with SB and IP up you shouldn’t take even close to that on a normal melee.
prime sphinx
U get 2 stacks for a bit
spark nest
Yeah, that's why I was so taken aback. The other tank was having similar issues though. We wiped like three times before hanging our heads in shame and giving up. Because each time, we died to some Melee that did ~200k+ damage.
spark nest
U get 2 stacks for a bit
Does picking up another stack not refresh the original?
deft kiln
Wild. With SB & IP capped (as much as possible) you shouldn’t be getting smoked like that.
reef holly
Hey team- is there a "best" spot on the wall to tank last boss on AV
deft kiln
The debuff stacks and refreshes.
prime sphinx
It refreshes the duration but when u move round next section it drops off
turbid plaza
what can I do to make sure SW is ready for each beam in Raz P3? Sometimes I could do it but most of the time I couldn't. I don't main prot so I really don't know what could I do better.
spark nest
So do I need to be swapping on 2 stacks then, to make sure it's not piling up? Or should 1 still time out ok?
spark nest
It refreshes the duration but when u move round next section it drops off
Oh, well that's interesting. So in theory there should never be more than 4 slams per section, right?
deft kiln
So do I need to be swapping on 2 stacks then, to make sure it's not piling up? ...
I personally swap on two. Whether you need to or not.. idk. Just how I’ve done it.
Each section normally has 4 slams - 2 sets of spikes.
prime sphinx
If u swap each time it drops but u will have 2 debuff for short duration during move section and just after
cosmic fractal
We do two stacks, since it just lines up better with slams/pillars etc.
deft kiln
^
prime sphinx
Up to u. On mythic we just swapped each stack it ment I could do all pillars every time
spark nest
I'll have to coordinate with my buddy and see about giving that a try.
prime sphinx
Offtank didn't have to do any pillars
silver egret
Hi, quick question, do we maintain shield block up as much as possible while tanking dungeons ?
reef holly
Hi, quick question, do we maintain shield block up as much as possible while tan...
always
deft kiln
Yes
reef holly
I have a weakaura to track uptime
spark nest
Every group I'm in seems to be doing the pillars split, but every guide that I'm finding says to do them all at once. What's the difference in that?
silver egret
Thank you, just making sure so i dont sound stupid recommending that to a friend
deft kiln
Every group I'm in seems to be doing the pillars split, but every *guide* that I...
Exploding them all at the same time is just more raid damage. Splitting them gives healers an easier time.
unkempt imp
What's the deal with sparks of ingenuity this is gonna be our 5th one this upcoming week can we farm them from now on or what?
ocean yoke
We did 2 stacks for both heroic and mythic. There's 4 before he takes a quarter of the room away with annihilate. Can just pop all pillars as they come, gotta use raid cds
tender cove
any idea what setting this could be? Others can sign to the event, just not me and RL says its some setting in my discord but he doesn't know which one 😦
deft kiln
any idea what setting this could be? Others can sign to the event, just not me a...
Raid helper needs administrator I believe.
Oh wait you can’t click it, or it didn’t work?
tender cove
Raid helper needs administrator I believe.
But like 11 other people have signed to the event
deft kiln
Oh
tender cove
I click it with my class and i get that msg
I think bot cant send me msg so I cant reply with the spec shit
This is only optional, we dont use sign for main raid, we just announce MIA
deft kiln
It bugs like that sometimes. We fixed by canceling it and putting it back up, but if that doesn’t work I’d google it. Should be info related to it since it’s a relatively common issue.
tender cove
2 shaman group, not so bad
no shamy tank? im disappointed
fathom robin
If you're a non mythic raider, would crafting a shield and working up to 418 be the best use of time and resources? I have limited time to play and want to get the most bang for my buck. Interested in people's thoughts.
sick sentinel
Shield is mega worth
toxic pewter
Have you ever tried using raid frames when in party
uneven mason
If you're a non mythic raider, would crafting a shield and working up to 418 be ...
Yup
uneven mason
Have you ever tried using raid frames when in party
The fact they hid these in edit mode threw me for a loop
fathom robin
@sick sentinel @uneven mason thanks!
toxic pewter
Yeah I wish the settings for raid frames saved in the edit mode as well
like when i switch to an alt i have to re-setup raid frames class colors, show health %, etc
distant palm
whats the best training to do on the ruby whelp trinket? 🙂
normal cypress
Is the ring from cobalt assembly worth keeping for the shield proc, or its better to switch it for somethin higher ilvl?
fierce field
I feel like the ruby whelp trinket is a sim trap. single target for the raid last night and it was about 2% overall on my WW monk
lilac bloom
god damn dathea add
how to grab all the aggroes when u have only disrupting shout for one side and the far oone is just to hard to reach
modern brook
I feel like the ruby whelp trinket is a sim trap. single target for the raid la...
- are you trained 2) 2% overall on a trinket is pretty decent, esp when you consider it procs healing and stats sometimes instead
fierce field
yea, single target trained
amber siren
The sim for the whelp is best case scenario, so yeah it's a trap
uneven mason
It's very sporadic
lyric elm
how to grab all the aggroes when u have only disrupting shout for one side and t...
Spinny blade goes spin
fierce field
My whetstone was doing closer to 7%
modern brook
Uhhh ok whetstone also has no mainstat
lilac bloom
Spinny blade goes spin
spiny blade?
modern brook
Ravager
uneven mason
how to grab all the aggroes when u have only disrupting shout for one side and t...
Taunt + heroic throw is an stupendous amount of aggro
lyric elm
Whetstone is a healer trinket, you can't change my mind
lyric elm
spiny blade?
Ravager
lilac bloom
oh i spec into disrupting shout.. didn't have that on my talent
have been copying the talent tree from wowhead instead
modern brook
You don't drop ravage for disrupting shout lol
lyric elm
Important to change talents according to situation
modern brook
Drop like sof or somwthing
lyric elm
Yes
lilac bloom
god damn i have to reconfigure my talent tree again
lilac bloom
well i did this
hopefully that fixes it.
taunt charge the add.. avatar .. disrupting shout. then go to ravager
hopefuly that gathers them
amber siren
This is for M+ right?
lilac bloom
no dathea
flint grove
is the BR helmet from engi worth?
lilac bloom
heroic dathea.. a pain for prot warriors trying to gather the adds
strong forum
Huh
strong forum
No
strong forum
Dathea is super easy for pwar
lilac bloom
but y m i having troubles gathering these adds
lilac bloom
i mean there's no talent tree that i can copy
flint grove
ravanger before they drop
amber siren
There's a bunch in the pins isn't there?
flint grove
i mean I can post mine but its just made up on the spot
lilac bloom
they told me to use disrupting shout
unreal sage
guys are you playing with thunderlord?
or ram?
flint grove
i use this BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSSkkQSLpkkkWBRgQRQUSSAiIJJ0CJJgcAEAAAAAAAARAAoUaA no clue if its optimised I just winged it before pull
strong forum
Just play this
And you're golden
You'll have CDs for every add wave, aoe interrupt for every add wave
And still super good boss dmg
flint grove
i dropped an 84 with what I posted but again i imagine its scuffed
flint grove
kek
unreal sage
guys are you playing with thunderlord?
or ram?
👆 i mean m+
strong forum
Battering
flint grove
looking over yours and I see some changes I can make so ty ty
strong forum
Nvm im lying I only got a 96
flint grove
reported
strong forum
Cuz 0 pad on adds
lilac bloom
but should i use disrupting shout as soon as i land on the platform?
strong forum
😦
strong forum
but should i use disrupting shout as soon as i land on the platform?
As soon as you're inbetween all of them, yes
They'll all insta run to you
unreal sage
one more question, can you link me spell reflect wa? cant find it
flint grove
I want primary stat and haste on my big gem or vers?
flint grove
lilac bloom
As soon as you're inbetween all of them, yes
some dont.. 2 of them are like far away and i have to charge to to taunt
deft socket
Is there a point to ever take thunderlord in m+?
cinder storm
Lepan's video made a reasonable point to take it on tyrannical rlp
strong forum
If you want to you can pick it, defensively its somewhat better than battering ram, but battering ram is more damage and more consistent
The perfect case for thunderlord is being able to demo shout important boss mechanics which you couldn't get without TL that you otherwise couldn't live
deft socket
Ah ok that makes sense. On Fort, if it's paired with booming voice, it still underperforms compared to battering ram?
strong forum
Ah ok that makes sense. On Fort, if it's paired with booming voice, it still und...
Yes
Thunderlord will desync demoshout from your offensive CDs
Therefor it results in a dmg loss
And if you decide to hold demo shout for them, you're just wasting thunderlord
unreal sage
one more question, can you link me spell reflect wa? cant find it
👆 guys
unreal sage
which one are you using?
strong forum
I'm just using one that displays how much dmg I reflected
I don't have the whack weakaura that shows what I can and can't reflect
Half of the time it doesn't work or displays the wrong spell
unreal sage
seems fine for me
unreal sage
yeah im reflecting most painfull spell but i think i can use it bit more often
so your wa seems really good
can i have it?;d
unreal sage
love you
cinder storm
How to deal with the mobs that cast arcing strike in NO near the totem, aside from stuns they wreck hard
I've tried backpedaling and doesnt seems to work
trim hill
as if i need another wa on my screen
mental scarab
@cinder storm spellblock probl
jagged pier
spell reflect
fluid beacon
RIP
autumn urchin
you just range the strikes
like you said outside of hard stopping them
you can practice timing in an m0
by yourself
just fly over and repeat
bleak skiff
Anyone who has some good macro for explosions?
strong forum
You can't macro explosives
sick sentinel
just click target them and attack
fluid beacon
Guys, RIP. GG ProtWar
bleak skiff
Not even with mouseover ?
fluid beacon
strong forum
Fake screenshot is fake
fluid beacon
hahaha
you caught it super fast. my fucking brew monk co tank loves to fuck with me
he sent this to me
modern brook
developpers
fluid beacon
lmao
slim dove
Spell shield
strong forum
There are alot of errors on this
sick sentinel
Fake screenshot is fake
could be PTR
slim dove
It's filled with errors.
strong forum
From spelling, to phrasing
toxic pewter
who actually wastes their precious time on this lmao
strong forum
And straight up wrong names
pastel hawk
there aren't even full stops at the end of the sentences 💀
modern brook
imagine being so fucking salty
you take the time to make a fake nerf post
and target Demoralizing shout
toxic pewter
the blue font is off too
modern brook
of all fucking things
fluid beacon
loool
strong forum
"removed the baseline armor"
fluid beacon
shield charge giving SB is so good
cinder storm
who actually wastes their precious time on this lmao
BDKs mad because they can't 1 button tank anymore
fluid beacon
i would have been mad if that was actually removed lol
sick sentinel
why of all the things that pwar has, you are madge about ... fucking demo shout......
boy.....
fluid beacon
well the next talent
strong forum
Yes
fluid beacon
i understand
fluid beacon
lol
strong forum
😉
fluid beacon
hahaha
toxic pewter
BDKs mad because they can't 1 button tank anymore
Sounds about right... yikes...
spark nest
If I'm positioning correctly, there should never be a time when I'd use Whirlwind over Revenge, right?
strong forum
toxic pewter
whoever made that has a severe lack of understanding of how prot warr even works lmao
fluid beacon
is it just me or is battle scarred a buggy piece of shit
strong forum
If I'm positioning correctly, there should *never* be a time when I'd use Whirlw...
Yes
fluid beacon
it procs on all kinds of tank busters
strong forum
is it just me or is battle scarred a buggy piece of shit
Yes it's bugged
fluid beacon
fucking garbage
strong forum
It's never not been bugged
Not once did I it work properly
It's a wasted talent point
sick sentinel
also fuck off devs on try to make us go D-stance or there needs to be a reason to be in it lol
fluid beacon
its saved me a lot of times from imminent death in pugs but still
sick sentinel
is a deveoper screenshot target someone in this discord
cinder storm
Developers note - Battle stance removed
sick sentinel
we get fury stance? cool
jagged pier
even when not bugged its still very mid
fluid beacon
"We Brewmaster Developers feel Warriors fuck our wifes so we take their B Stance away"
toxic pewter
O_o
jagged pier
ill tkae it gives us an extra talent point
fluid beacon
even when not bugged its still very mid
na, its not that bad
strong forum
If it was an actual cheat, it would be aight
cinder storm
if you can't reliable use a talent yes, its bad
fluid beacon
na, high keys if someone misses a kick and you proc cheat you just laugh
sick sentinel
if you put a button that says "hit this to do 10% more dps at all times" everyones gunna click that button and leave it on forever
it is what it is
jagged pier
because it procs before it should
fluid beacon
i guess im lucky then cuz it saved my ass on numerous occasions in pugs
strong forum
if you put a button that says "hit this to do 10% more dps at all times" everyon...
You'd be surprised how many think that a tank should be max tanky at all times
fluid beacon
as long as my ass isnt dead, bias confirmed
cinder storm
I played with BSV for a bit and never felt any difference, wasted point
strong forum
Daily we get people who are surprised that people leave d-stance
fluid beacon
im essentially in perma B stance
sick sentinel
this is why versa life
digital frigate
I think people will tank however they feel comfortable
strong forum
Absolutely
sick sentinel
because pugs just don't fucking get it
jagged pier
of course
digital frigate
Whether in D or B so who cares
sick sentinel
and they "you don't got enough versa fuck off noob"
strong forum
Well, min-maxers care
fluid beacon
Whether in D or B so who cares
parses care, daddy
strong forum
If you want to do well, you should stance dance
digital frigate
If you want to do well, you should stance dance
This
D stance is great defensive tool
And B stance is a great offensive tool.
sick sentinel
almost as though you lost roughly 10% dps
cinder storm
I think tattman is the only one (of the few pwar streamers I watch) who's always or mostly in b stance, the others always sit on dstance
toxic pewter
Yeah but a lot of that time dstance is overkill
oblique kayak
I think tattman is the only one (of the few pwar streamers I watch) who's always...
pika switches aswell
sturdy locust
How do you deal with Shield of Light on Hyrja in HOV?
Just Spell Reflect and make sure to have full ignore pain up for it?
toxic pewter
Gotta be switchin
strong forum
How do you deal with Shield of Light on Hyrja in HOV?
Just Spell Reflect and mak...
Sr + full IP + Demo shout
Rotate SWs when ready
Also be full HP
Always
cinder storm
pika switches aswell
Eh, plka stays in dstance most of the time from what I've seen, or at least if he's chilling
oblique kayak
Eh, plka stays in dstance most of the time from what I've seen, or at least if h...
well could be - last couple of push keys he def wasn’t but confirmation buss i guess
sturdy locust
Is it reasonable to have Demo shout up for each Shield of light?
toxic gyro
Is it reasonable to have Demo shout up for each Shield of light?
You shouldn’t get hit by it. Dodge it
strong forum
You shouldn’t get hit by it. Dodge it
He's talking bout boss
sturdy locust
You shouldn’t get hit by it. Dodge it
On Hyrja o: ?
toxic gyro
He's talking bout boss
Ohh, nvm. Idk why I was thinking about mob before boss 🤦♂️
sturdy locust
You left me very confused for a sec 😄
strong forum
On any popular spec it's alot easier to parse into the 90s
toxic pewter
might as well toss shield block before slam for more damage
strong forum
It's not just that
But any popular spec will have alot of very average and below average players
modern brook
strong forum
So the chance to get a higher ranked parse, is alot easier cuz you're competing with a small % of actual pumpers
If you count all players
The biggest gaps of dps diff is always between 99 and 100
It's larger than from 90 to 99
modern brook
some runescape shit
strong forum
Yup
wooden widget
Is there any reason not to macro shield slam into everything that’s off the gcd?
strong forum
I'd only recommend that on ignore pain
I guess on SB is also fine
But that one is a bit less effective
I've tried it, but I can't even say if Im still using it or if I removed it
Cuz it was literally unnoticeable for me
modern brook
whole ass keyboard; 4-5 fingers
earnest dust
Hey Guys, i have a question hope someone can answer me a few question.
I will play now Protection, but i have some craft items, like the wrist. and the Neck.
so i have some left 2 Sparks but i have 402 weapon and Shield and 411 Waist, is the best craft to go of the Waist for 418 maybe, because the Decoration of Flame Trinket or Something other craft´s. Hope someone can help me 🙂
modern brook
just hit 2 keys
strong forum
Hey Guys, i have a question hope someone can answer me a few question.
I will p...
Weapon and shield
Not even a question
earnest dust
Ok thanks 🙂
strong forum
Ye just get those to 418
sick sentinel
best i can do is a 405
strong forum
Yeah Gold is spicy this xpac
I've spent like 800k on just consumes and crafting so far
Fucking dumb
sick sentinel
i spent 1 wow token
gritty swallow
weve reach end stage wow capitalism this xpac
like normally herbs are way cheaper at this point but everythings still 100+g per herb for anything of importance
woeful trellis
https://prnt.sc/TuK4vv-MuktM i take 421 shoulders for next week or th for 4set now.... idk
strong forum
Or actually
With wow China shutting down
There's probably gonna be a spike of crafting mats on the ah
modern brook
With wow China shutting down
D:
cinder storm
F for the meta breakers
modern brook
https://prnt.sc/TuK4vv-MuktM i take 421 shoulders for next week or th for 4set n...
421 next week and just get the hands inr aid this week ezpz
tender cove
I've tried it, but I can't even say if Im still using it or if I removed it
I use this, I see it happen at least once per dungeon, its noticeable for me.
strong forum
https://prnt.sc/TuK4vv-MuktM i take 421 shoulders for next week or th for 4set n...
You'll never replace those shoulders
So yeah
But, if you wanna be safe, reclear raid
fallen apex
Blizzard's 6D chess move to get people to spend real money on token
woeful trellis
i recleared 😦 and again nothing 16/16 nothing
strong forum
Then it's up to you
plush tendon
Id take the shoulders; time to plan for long term
strong forum
Do you want (potential) bis m+ trinket, or bis shoulders
plush tendon
a little delayed gratification dont hurt
sick sentinel
would you guys suggest to do haste versa weapon with fang adornments?
woeful trellis
Do you want (potential) bis m+ trinket, or bis shoulders
is it bis trinket?
plush tendon
its really strong
BiS.... idk
there are a handful of good trinkets though, that being one of them
strong forum
Yeah bis is hard to determine as trinkets are quite underhanded
But it's really fucking good in m+
And also just fun
To track the procs
plush tendon
its cool
plush tendon
we start Mythic Kurog tonight.... so ya boi is hoping we kill it quick
the trinket drops
strong forum
I'd love a mythic all-totem
plush tendon
and then I make my case for it.... cause other tank has a mythic icon
strong forum
30% increase on it?
plush tendon
plush tendon
raid is super nice to.... cause its short and the only real wall seems to be Raz
so lots of reclears in the future
plush tendon
exactly; thats perfect
all through SL we would have to start lockouts like 60%-70% of the way through for a 2 night a week guild
woeful trellis
so now u threw me of 😄 trinket or shoulder 😄
strong forum
It's up to you
toxic gyro
Take shoulders
plush tendon
now its like 'well, we can kill Brood 3 times prob' and a reclear while we do that
plush tendon
so now u threw me of 😄 trinket or shoulder 😄
neither is a bad option
it comes down to personal preference
strong forum
You literally can't go wrong with either
sick sentinel
looking for advice on what to spend spark and 405 infusion on https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian
strong forum
Weapon
reef jolt
got this weapon in my vaul this week, on a scale from 1-10 how pog is it ? I know it aint bis but still, the passive seems pretty goo
toxic pewter
I would prob go shoulders can get heroic all totem from raid
sick sentinel
assumption is i will not get fire rings, because i don't raid, and i crafted belt, so i screwed my self out of doing fire belt, assumption is i want to do weapon 405
strong forum
Strike twice is bis, assuming equal ilvl
sick sentinel
what about fangst
strong forum
Strike twice is literally our best weapon, if you can get it at 421 you're GG
sick sentinel
does more dmg, or just leave it unembellishment, i have 1 real embellishment wrist versa and belt of food fake embellishment
reef jolt
oh ? i just read through the WoWhead guide and there another weapon is bis
but i guess i shouldnt blindly trust guides
woeful trellis
shoulders it is, thanks 😄
strong forum
deft socket
Would a 415 strike twice be better than crafted 418, assuming you have lariat and frostfire belt?
tardy lily
quick questions on enchants. wowhead guide says i should use sopihc but icy veins says i should use wafting (or frozen on both for aoe) but for raid, which one should i use then?
deft socket
basically getting fang embellishment for free
mighty valley
Just sim them
strong forum
That's just a sim question
But I severely doubt it
Especially on aoe it won't win
strong forum
quick questions on enchants. wowhead guide says i should use sopihc but icy vein...
Sophic
spice axle
is there any list or something where i can see the slots that are not craftable so i upgrade it with valor?
spice axle
Every single one
oh okay
unreal sage
hey guys which wa to track buffs on cos?
there is couple of them
which one are you prefer?
lusty tiger
Strike twice is literally our best weapon, if you can get it at 421 you're GG
Been meaning to ask, does it proc devastator?
sick sentinel
modern brook
Been meaning to ask, does it proc devastator?
No it'd not a second attack
sick sentinel
does that look right, supposed to be 405, but we will see what it turns into
that and i have to source someone to craft it now
lusty tiger
does that look right, supposed to be 405, but we will see what it turns into
Why that embellishment?
Seems like a waste of an embellishment
thin silo
It's a 1% buff like most others
sick sentinel
Why that embellishment?
i don't have a second embellishment
i have a food belt, so i dont know i will get fire belt, and crafting in set slots seems dangerous due to catalyst
don't have alot of gem sockets, so im not sold on lariat
strong forum
Been meaning to ask, does it proc devastator?
No
It's just a dmg proc, not an extra autoattack
sick sentinel
i didn't make the item yet, thats just a mock up
im not sure what other embellishments exist that should be on my radar
mighty valley
don't have alot of gem sockets, so im not sold on lariat
lariat can have three sockets on it by itself, it doesn't scale with more gems anyway
rough egret
Versa wrists, FF belt, spikes on shield, lariat
sick sentinel
my shield is 405, but the stats are meh
rough egret
What is your weap?
lusty tiger
my shield is 405, but the stats are meh
Do u have a concentrated primal?
mighty valley
armor spikes is fine in m+ but loses a lot of value whenever you're not actively being hit
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian this is my character
sick sentinel
i should make the weapon haste crit but pugs will say im trolling
lusty tiger
Why
rough egret
Crut haste is fine
sick sentinel
cuz its pugs, they have strange beliefs
lusty tiger
Because ur wep secondaries?
cold pollen
pugs don't give two cent
lusty tiger
Pugs usually only flame if you are already doing weird stuff
rough egret
And its yaba daba
vast goblet
pugs dont know what stats you should be running, they barely know what stats they should be running
rough egret
All they care is rio score and your ilvl
reef holly
Hey is it possible to hug wall and skip the center hallway pack in front of the 2 sentinels in the hall?
mighty sand
So for all I can find, there isn't much said about this in the pins, but how powerful is the wep from Nokhud? I haven't spent any Valor yet, but am trying to find "BIS" pieces to spend it on. Is it much better than any other sword or even 418 crafted one I could make next reset?
strong forum
Or invis skip them ye
mighty sand
I haven't gotten my hands on it yet
strong forum
So for all I can find, there isn't much said about this in the pins, but how pow...
It's better on equal ilvl
A 418 beats it
vast goblet
waste of valor imo
mighty sand
So something, but not much?
vast goblet
just craft a weapon
hollow swift
What dungeons do we swap out of Spell Block for Tough as Nails - if any?
vast goblet
right but spending any on a weapon, which is one of the most expensive items to spend valor on, is pointless
much better used on things like cloaks and rings
sick sentinel
the world of pugs is.... they are angry as all hell if you deplete their key, and they are extatic if you time it
mighty valley
spell block for tjs, rlp, maybe av... think i'm tough as nails for the rest rn
hollow swift
Cheers 🙂
wicked plank
Hey, on Kurog MM, would you advice me to go decoration of flame or whetstone ?
reef holly
How much % is needed in HOV before heading up escalator?
sick sentinel
82%
if you clear the entire dinner hallway and only get the dragon and 5 wolfs, thats enough
reef holly
sounds pug friendly
torn pebble
sick sentinel
not that rough honestly, just tell your group always mystics and thunders
everyone gets on the mystic and you win
quaint folio
lyric valley
having a discussion with a guildie right now
is https://www.wowhead.com/item=195496/eye-of-the-vengeful-hurricane or lariat better for prot?
sick sentinel
maybe it was we were at 82% and then we pulled a small pack to get us to 85%
i generallly end up clearing whole dinner room, or minus 1 pack
cuz like, you can do the bulls in wolf section too
warm plinth
having a discussion with a guildie right now
is https://www.wowhead.com/item=195...
No necklace is better than lariat. But in comparison to other embellishments, it's about even.
Assuming same ilevel of course (though lariat's embellishment is worth some ilevel)
sick sentinel
anyways, if anyone has a good reccomendation what i should do for embellishments let me know
my plan was to make the sword with the fangs
unreal lily
Hey guys this is my first week tanking explosive. Should I be doing anything differently?
lime urchin
No
oak heart
you should be more pissed off at your group mates for not attacking the orbs and how you have to do them all
lime urchin
Woijoijs don’t have many abilities to hit explosives
oak heart
thats it
oak heart
no
sick sentinel
e ver
lime urchin
do u use wirdwind as protection?
NO. Remove it from bars
oak heart
revenge is better
unreal lily
Alright, what's the HP like on them are they something that gets one shot?
lime urchin
Alright, what's the HP like on them are they something that gets one shot?
They take one hit, it’s not much to worry about. You can heroic throw far ones
unreal lily
Alright awesome thank you!
sick sentinel
what else do i dont use as protection warrior? 😄
warm plinth
Unless you're a VDH using throw glaive 😉
lime urchin
what else do i dont use as protection warrior? 😄
Slam
oak heart
defensive stance
lime urchin
defensive stance
🫶
warm plinth
I mean, that's not entirely true. You do use defensive stance sometimes.
thin shadow
anyone try titantic throw for explosives
warm plinth
It isn't any different than regular heroic throw.
oak heart
I used defensive stance in tjs 3rd boss after it almost 1 hit me and i shit myself 😛
uneven mason
Small victories
warm plinth
Still can't hit any explosives besides the one you're targeting.
thin shadow
ah, thanks
hollow swift
How do you typically cycle offensive cds? Avatar and Demoralizing shout always goes off cd at different times than Revenge and Thunderous Roat. Not to mention Avatar and Demoralizing shout doesnt always line up either lol.
When do you hold and when do you slam 'em either way?
warm plinth
what else do i dont use as protection warrior? 😄
Slam, Whirlwind, and Rend (though you talent Rend to use it with Blood and Thunder).
warm plinth
How do you typically cycle offensive cds? Avatar and Demoralizing shout always g...
All CDs on CD
wicked plank
Any idea on which trinket to play on Kurog Mythic ? Currently playing icon + whetstone, but have decoration of flame available, dunno if the shield is worth the loss of dmg ?
hollow swift
So I shouldn't really hold stuff to line up better with Avatar for more dam?
thin shadow
How do you typically cycle offensive cds? Avatar and Demoralizing shout always g...
if you ran thunderous roar it'd be demo first i think
warm plinth
Demo shout and shield charge should line up every time as long as you're not running Thunderlord. Likewise Ravager and Thunderous Roar will sync with Shield Charge and Demo Shout on every other.
uneven mason
How do you typically cycle offensive cds? Avatar and Demoralizing shout always g...
Press buttons
thin shadow
er thunderlord
warm plinth
Thunderlord will desync demo from just about everything. Battering Ram is more damage too so better to run that.
thin shadow
but if you had both
warm plinth
It would still desync demo from everything
thin shadow
even if desync, it'd still prio up
warm plinth
I don't know what that means
thin shadow
you would always want to hit it to keep it rotating down off cooldown over the other (like avatar)
oak heart
unless you need it for a defensive cd
warm plinth
Well yes, obviously. My point is that the talent isn't worth running, not that you wouldn't still use it on CD
hollow swift
Thunderlord will desync demo from just about everything. Battering Ram is more ...
Oh really? Is battering ram just straight up better than thunderlord even in M+ situations?
warm plinth
Yes
The only time you would want to run Thunderlord is if you for some reason needed the defensive portion of Demo Shout more often.
hollow swift
I see, not really at that point yet no
thin shadow
booming voice synergy
hollow swift
booming voice synergy
That's what I was thinking too, so kinda surprised Battering Ram would be higher dam
modern brook
More AA's = more rage
warm plinth
It's not really booming voice synergy though. If I don't talent Thunderlord, I have a 20% damage increase to all of my CDs except potentially Avatar. If I do talent it, I might sync a demo shout up with them every now and then
But most of the time I'm going to be increasing just my normal rotation by 20%
modern brook
TBH Tlords owned back when Demo was on AM
mighty valley
i mean it's not really an argument, you can say "shield charge synergy" and "devastator synergy" for battering ram, still need to math out which is providing more value
modern brook
Prot synergy 
mighty valley
and smarter people than me are coming down on the side of battering ram
warm plinth
You can sim it if you don't believe me 🤷 I don't have to prove it when sims exist.
warm plinth
Sorry that was intended for the naysayers 😉
hollow swift
I am much more for a more lined up playstyle, so fits me perfectly xD
thin shadow
i've ran shield charge since the start, its great
warm plinth
I'm so happy Shield Charge is actually part of our builds because that spell is just ultimate class fantasy to me
Though it is kinda sad that we don't normally use the charge part
dull frost
Guys, if I play dps and prot, what is the best missive to craft on lariat?
sand oar
How much vers are you guys running on m+?
dull frost
I was thinking crit/vers
warm plinth
Guys, if I play dps and prot, what is the best missive to craft on lariat?
which dps?
warm plinth
How much vers are you guys running on m+?
Literally does not matter at all
mighty valley
i offspec fury and haste/crit is doing me well
dull frost
Fury for now. But in 10.0.5, prolly arms
wary haven
Wait so stacking vers is… bad?
warm plinth
idk what other stats arms likes though but any of the other stats are going to be fine for us
modern brook
Though it is kinda sad that we don't normally use the charge part
we used the charge part for the better part of last expac and weaving it was fucking annoying
thin shadow
Though it is kinda sad that we don't normally use the charge part
im grateful for no deadzone on it for an extra interrupt
warm plinth
Wait so stacking vers is… bad?
No, stacking vers is just incredibly overrated.
rough lake
does spell block work for hyrja storm phase?
modern brook
does spell block work for hyrja storm phase?
Nom was ranting about spell block in HoV earlier today - i think its only applicable to dragon breaths and sanctify
sand oar
Literally does not matter at all
New to rankning, can you explain?:)
modern brook
both of which its probably smarter to just choose to take no damage from instead of trying to block it
neon elk
Nom was ranting about spell block in HoV earlier today - i think its only applic...
U can also block hyrja frontal
Not sure if its worth picking it just for that tho
warm plinth
Versatility requires more rating per % of stat than any other stat (by a lot, especially for damage reduction). As an example, for the same % of vers DR as it would take to get crit, it's 410 vers vs 180 crit
modern brook
New to rankning, can you explain?:)
Verse stacking is an undying relic from Corruption when you could get upwards of 80% verse to have a permenant shield wall
thin shadow
but the marginal gains back to our ignore pain via 4p and brutal vitality, don't you naysay prot dps 😉
modern brook
the reality is that, defensively speaking, more haste for more rage, and just playing better, is more relevent than any particular Verse breakpoint
warm plinth
You should just go for more total stats rather than focusing on specific stats.
And before anyone says anything, because there's always one, it does not matter what top tanks do. They're gonna do what they do.
proud dock
any news come out about the Ruby trinket? is it a trap?
modern brook
its "ok"
warm plinth
It's better than it was, but not something you should go out of your way for
thin shadow
offensively, if you're unlucky, not a trap
sand oar
You should just go for more total stats rather than focusing on specific stats.
Is there a min % rcomendation tho?
mighty valley
No
If your ilvl is decent and none of your pieces have vers on them, you're still fine
oak echo
You can do the highest keys with like 5% vers. Don't avoid it but don't blindly stacking it expecting it to save you
mighty valley
Also like... m+ is a scaling system so it's basically impossible to give any kind of min stat recommendation
oak echo
Also true
thin shadow
hasting into more effective health is more reliably going to save you
neon elk
Is mythic raid still restricted to realm only? I see only specific realms in lfg but i think there was something about it going away since mythic opened with hero , any insight?
spice axle
you guys know if its possible to track MRT class cooldowns in dungeons?
south zealot
like rally and aura mastery?
spice axle
yea
south zealot
you can track them with omnicd
south zealot
im not sure how to track using MRT specifically though
south zealot
ah i see
modern brook
Is mythic raid still restricted to realm only? I see only specific realms in l...
i think its still locked until first 100 in horde and ally are done?
idk if that changed
or even if its done
neon elk
Yea i think i read something about them removing that restriction , it was pre release, but now all groups are realm specific and i kinda cant find any info
modern brook
ahhh idk ive been known to not read so
shut lodge
you guys know if its possible to track MRT class cooldowns in dungeons?
to me the window with the cd shows even alone:
timid coyote
Can't see any of this in the pins. Is Ruby Whelp Shell implemented in SimCraft/Raidbots?
Well updated is what I should say
dapper vapor
Yeah, simmed and played with it at 6 a bit now
Really nothing amazing
The variance is also still too high even at 6
sick sentinel
lots of people say don't use the rank 3 materials, just use rank 2
dapper vapor
Can't see any of this in the pins. Is Ruby Whelp Shell implemented in SimCraft/...
You can sim it you just need to put a custom string into the footer on expert mode
sick sentinel
i could have sworn you put in rank 3, you get better stuff depending on skill
oak heart
it's cheaper to recraft using rank 2 mats, than getting a guaranteed using rank 3
timid coyote
You can sim it you just need to put a custom string into the footer on expert mo...
Do you have any links to that? I am too much of a plebeian to do it myself.
Will Google otherwise
sick sentinel
doing first craft of a weapon
i want to put fangs adornment on it, have that in bag
dapper vapor
Do you have any links to that? I am too much of a plebeian to do it myself.
Wi...
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=sleepy_ruby_warmth:6 Crit
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=under_red_wings:6 Haste
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=curing_whiff:6 AoE Proc
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=fire_shot:6 ST proc
wicked plank
Is possible to keep 100% uptime on shieldblock with 12sec cooldown on it and shieldcharge ?
dapper vapor
You're a babe
Np, I got these from Erga in this channel so credits his
sick sentinel
last time i did belt i told the guy just send it and it worked out 405
okay, so if i do recrafts i use rank 2's
oak heart
Is possible to keep 100% uptime on shieldblock with 12sec cooldown on it and shi...
Easy with Heavy Repercussions
wicked plank
Easy with Heavy Repercussions
Yeah, it's the point, I would like to maybe get rid of this talent to have more haste, I tried to do a timeline to see if viable but...it didn't go as planned 😄
sick sentinel
i sorta wish that when you got the crafted item, it like, played a animation of the character doing blacksmithing
i could just buy wow token and level BS to 100 my self
turbid plaza
quick question, is there value in SB when the other tank is active? I've seen people in logs keeping the uptime even when they're not tanking melees. Or are they just dumping rage
oak heart
it's difficult to get to 100 without other people
wicked plank
5 people around me 100% of the time
it made my SB cd goes down to 12sec, where my question land 😄
oak heart
quick question, is there value in SB when the other tank is active? I've seen pe...
shield block increases shield slam damage by 30%
turbid plaza
oh, makes sense thank you
pallid hare
you guys know if its possible to track MRT class cooldowns in dungeons?
yes, MRT works well in dungeons. OmniCD also does the same thing if you dont want to use MDT
pallid hare
quick question, is there value in SB when the other tank is active? I've seen pe...
you should be able to keep SB up 100% whether or not you are tanking and since it increases SS damage practice keeping it up as much as possible for that sweet sweet parse 🙂
trim hill
For the most part keeping up shield block means pressing your normal buttons
sick sentinel
it's done
tulip girder
Hi there, do you think that 4P set worth more than 5% haste ?
hazy sluice
what phials are you using for 20 upwards?
sick sentinel
not a 405, but im happy enough with it
i can just recraft it later if i really want
fierce field
Hi there, do you think that 4P set worth more than 5% haste ?
Are you having issues with survival without the 4pc? If not, it isn't adding anything to your DPS. I would sim the two for DPS at that point.
toxic gyro
Yea, and recrafts are way cheaper in mats than initial craft.
sick sentinel
and so, recraft, is i just give rank 2 mats and send it again and again till rank 5?
atomic inlet
guys shoud i put my valor to any of this or wait more for smething better ?
i was thinking windscar or cos ring or maybe u think of something else?
tulip girder
@fierce field the thing is that on the paper the 4P looks really nice it's free "Ignore Pain" and then less rage consumed
fierce field
You're going to be dumping extra rage into IP either way to feed the machine
sick sentinel
Yea, and recrafts are way cheaper in mats than initial craft.
i have to look into how it works but the guy is saying he offers free recraft
tulip girder
Alright, I'll simcraft it and see, thank you 🙂
sick sentinel
and i assume anyone specced into it can do the same thing
or i can even later after enough points
atomic inlet
guys shoud i put my valor to any of this or wait more for smething better ?
i wa...
or any of u know how to sim it to see wich is better upgrade?
neon elk
or any of u know how to sim it to see wich is better upgrade?
U can check in valor upgrades, but ill just valor those cheap "bis items"
turbid plaza
or any of u know how to sim it to see wich is better upgrade?
in raidbots there is a + button on the gear that can be upgraded with valor, you click that and select an upgraded version and sim it
neon elk
Like ring and trinket, unless u get them in vault u wont replace them, and unless it will be your only upgrade u wont take that over high ilvl main piece, which u have on lower ilvl as i see. Also upgrading cheaper pieces bump your ilvl more so bit higher chance to get into pugs
unreal sage
Do you think is ITF Playable in battering ram build?
toxic gyro
i have to look into how it works but the guy is saying he offers free recraft
Yea I crafted both weapons at the same guy. He one tapped both to 418 and my gf’s weapon as well
She got it done hella cheap
unreal sage
I did +18 cos and i think there is no Point of playing with heavy repercussion
neon elk
U did an 18cos tho ..
unreal sage
Ye it can mąkę difference higher i Just tried to start this week with lesser key(thet was my 1st this week)
neon elk
Its not like a best measurement honestly.. i did 19 like 3 hours ago and in overal healer had like 3m on me .. meaning its super low tank dmg dung
unreal sage
But to be honest do you nerd 100% SB uptime on bosses?
neon elk
Go like NO, or valors, and lets see if u feel same , if u then feel like u dont need it and can keep sb up, go for it
vital oak
But to be honest do you nerd 100% SB uptime on bosses?
yes
neon elk
But to be honest do you nerd 100% SB uptime on bosses?
U "dont need it" , they wont oneshot, but it helps your healer and your dmg
Also, like i said, cos is rather bad dungeon to use as a measure
unreal sage
Pressing SB in proper time still can avoid massive dmg. KK ill check it out on different one
Just love ITF
robust quiver
it's done
what's the consensus on the ST trained shell?
i've been hunting the whetstone but after like 40 CoS i'm ready to dump valor on the egg
deep spruce
Whats the best option for M+ phial-wise? Versa or Glacial Fury?
vital oak
Pressing SB in proper time still can avoid massive dmg. KK ill check it out on d...
It's not just the damage you prevent to yourself, it's the bonus damage you do with shield bash.
deep spruce
what's the consensus on the ST trained shell?
Consensus is that its sim bait
gilded zodiac
What trinket should i go with?
robust quiver
Consensus is that its sim bait
It is right? I tought so
neon elk
i've been hunting the whetstone but after like 40 CoS i'm ready to dump valor on...
Ive vendored like 3 of them already, yet i havent seen a single ring drop
deep spruce
What trinket should i go with?
Huh? theres 3 there and 2 are the same
robust quiver
i've seen only one whetstone in all of my CoS, 20+ rings tho
neon elk
I think im cursed , every run i go people claim how often the ring drops, yet it never drops for me
Sadge life
robust quiver
Ye conspiracy theory here too, it's to ostrange that i've seen only one whetstone drop
vital oak
I would rather have the whetstone than the ring.
urban bane
Is IO 4 seconds of shield wall per avatar, and vice versa?
fierce field
wait, horn of valor actually exists?
neon elk
It does but its not something u wanna chase iirc
wary haven
Over those trinkets horn is prob the best
wary haven
That strength is useful
gilded zodiac
@deep sprucethat was i have atm :S
frigid grotto
Should probaly try to do some LFR to get Decoration of Flame 🙂 Great trinket even on LFR
wary haven
^
gilded zodiac
okay ty 🙂
fierce field
It does but its not something u wanna chase iirc
more hoping for my monk... 30+ runs between two toons and have yet to see it though.
wary haven
I was using DoF LFR version for a while until I got the normal version
deep spruce
I mean, its fine, but its not 'great' especially at LFR level
wary haven
BIS trinket is BIS
frigid grotto
And your Battle Scarred Scale is great until you get some higher ilvl ones 🙂
deep spruce
BIS trinket is BIS
BiS my arse
frigid grotto
its great wdym
deep spruce
No danger is it BiS are u insane
wary haven
I guess so
neon elk
Defensive wise it might be biss because there simply are no other good tank trinkets, but overal it isnt bis for most of people
dim apex
Struggling to stay alive in 16s but I can blow through 14s is it me or the healer?
mighty valley
i think saying bis should get you banned instantly
frigid grotto
Im rocking these two atm, but not sure if i should craft a 418 weapon
wary haven
Waiting for my ban then
deep spruce
Struggling to stay alive in 16s but I can blow through 14s is it me or the heale...
if its all 16s, its u
ez game until 421 whetstone
frigid grotto
oufff
sick sentinel
no idea wtf, but priest healer died to something, warlock dies, someone unrelated leaves, all in first 2 pulls of hov
oak echo
deco pretty damn good this week on explosives but i'm pretty sure that has to be a bug
deep spruce
deco pretty damn good this week on explosives but i'm pretty sure that has to be...
Yeah thats deffo unintended
mighty valley
Struggling to stay alive in 16s but I can blow through 14s is it me or the heale...
need a billion more details to know what's killing you
the jump in every key level is bigger than it used to be but you should still be able to maintain yourself pretty well IF kicks/cc is being handled well
and you can handle a lot yourself
but for some tankbuster bosses, you do need to start working with your healer a bit
warm plinth
Wait did someone say decoration is bis
deep spruce
Wait did someone say decoration is bis
lol yea
oak echo
someone always says its bis
sick sentinel
do the guys on very first pull of halls of valor do a cleave im looking into this
warm plinth
🤦
deep spruce
bUt ItS s TiEr On WoWHeAd
sick sentinel
healer got stunned by the thundering at any rate
deep spruce
do the guys on very first pull of halls of valor do a cleave im looking into thi...
only the dragon
oak echo
do the guys on very first pull of halls of valor do a cleave im looking into thi...
the dragon breath is a cleave but otherwise no
sick sentinel
well, thunder went out, healer got fucked by something,
deep spruce
and a targetted frontal on tank that u can walk away from
warm plinth
well, thunder went out, healer got fucked by something,
Thundercaller has two random casts. Maybe he got comboed?
sick sentinel
i saw power attacks being done after watching in outplayed
warm plinth
Though he shouldn't have died on a 13 or w/e
oak echo
and a targetted frontal on tank that u can walk away from
wait you can walk out of the breath after it starts? or you're saying the rest of the group can move out of it
because man i feel dumb if you can walk out of it
last pebble
how do i handle 3rd boss on temple? Jade serpent is smoking me even with SR and SB
mighty valley
if you're in the key range where pugs are dying to absolutely random shit you probably shouldn't pull up to the dragon