I use incarnate and whetstone but totem/whetstone is higher damage i believe
#protection
inland raft
tender cove
grieftorch is also very strong
inland raft
Grieftorch is super strong ya
deft socket
My haste in wow armory shows 29% but in game its 23%
tender cove
My haste in wow armory shows 29% but in game its 23%
sure its not other way around? Running ITF?
deft socket
Nah no ITF
tender cove
Nah no ITF
pvp gear?
deft socket
nope
tender cove
then no idea, sorry
deft socket
sec, i'll do a screenshot
tender cove
sec, i'll do a screenshot
is rating amount the same?
deft socket
Yeah rating amount is the same. Ok that makes sense.
Felt screwed on that extra haste!
tender cove
heheh
vital oak
Just an observation from a tank who only runs 18s so far, the heal from Impending Victory helps get rid of quite a bit of the heal absorb on 3rd boss.
tender cove
Just an observation from a tank who only runs 18s so far, the heal from Impendin...
Same with healthstone, hp pot and ls
vital oak
Yup, and IV is on a 25 second cooldown so it's up a for at least every other hit of that.
digital frigate
Yes
tender cove
Yup, and IV is on a 25 second cooldown so it's up a for at least every other hit...
yup so you can rotate them and have some heal for most of them.
wanton shale
to stop fenryr bleed, shadowmeld, feign, vanish are the main ways to do it?
tender cove
The amount of hotfixes for explosives where it shouldnt be is equally hilarious and sad
how bad you gotta be at developing your own game for stuff like that to even happen a month into the season?
not like its a new affix xD
vital oak
Well, they never bothered to fix the trash before vex not spawning spites, at least they're fixing this.
neon elk
Something not spawning spite shades isnt as bad as something wiping you tho
zinc storm
Prot warriors prolly have the worst time there bcs of the healing absorb and our lack of utilities to fight the absorb itself.
However, keep in mind that last stand can heal you for 30% and Spell Block will mitigate the initial hit from the Serpent Strike, further helping you stay alive while u either get healed, health pot, impending victory, health stone
vital oak
Much more adverse effect but the root cause seems similar to me. They need to hire more QA and/or perhaps listen to them. Then again, we do it for them for free . . .
errant lark
frostfire belt or frostfire legguards for second embelishment? i see top warriors running both
for m+
soft flume
is it worth crafting a shield at 405 if I already have skovalds resolve shield at 402?
sudden gazelle
Do we still know whats the best way to train Ruby Shell?
vital oak
IMO, belt, just in case you get one of the raid rings.
vital oak
Do we still know whats the best way to train Ruby Shell?
Anecdotal but I trained single target dam up to 6 and it still only did 70k at a 1ppm rate. I would pick a different trink.
proud dock
anyone play any other tanks and know one thats similar to prot warr?
vital oak
Similar in what way?
proud dock
playstyle?
vital oak
lots of defensives? DK.
sudden gazelle
All are unique
vital oak
Spammy, cd based gameplay? Druid.
proud dock
idk looking to pick another tank up but dk i dont like
soft flume
can u guys help? 405 crafted shield or stick with skovalds resolve at 402 and upgradeable
vital oak
IMO use the 402 but don't upgrade it. Craft a 418 when you can.
soft flume
what should I use my 405 infusion on?
vital oak
Or, if you have a flavor packet, craft and stick it in there. Flavor pockets are win.
prot board says yes.
maybe ask in fury?
brittle flume
Oops hehe
vital oak
Supposedly sparks will no longer be a limited resource eventually, craft what you want I think. If you don't have them already, imo, best order is Lariat, Shield, Wep, Frostfire belt but I'm just a mediocre player.
soft flume
thats my dilemma cause I have lariat and my shield is already decent
vital oak
You could sim your choices.
soft flume
I might do that. And just pick whichever upgrades me more?
vital oak
Other good options are a ring as it comes with a socket pre-installed or one of the Alch trinks if your trinks are bad.
vital oak
Not the embellished ring, the plain one. I would still use (and do) my embellishments on lariat/frostfire belt.
tender cove
lmao... queued random heroic out of boredom... Get a 2790 priest
soft flume
think gonna craft wrists
tender cove
we finished ruby in minutes xD
sudden gazelle
Is shield our biggest piece of gear? Might be a pretty silly question
winter glade
Need help picking vault. any suggestions?
blazing condor
Is shield our biggest piece of gear? Might be a pretty silly question
yeah p much
big difference in damage intake between a bad and a good one
cus its the piece that gives block
sudden gazelle
Yeah
soft flume
would u ever craft difficult wrist protectors, as seen they can fail
weary saddle
would u ever craft difficult wrist protectors, as seen they can fail
Yes. Bcoz having a fallible brez, is better than no brez.
mortal brook
theres knowledge in the engy tree to mitigate their failure chance, but yeah sucks if you're not engy but still an okay chance if you dont have brez.
soft flume
Yes. Bcoz having a fallible brez, is better than no brez.
ty cause had to pick between shield with only +ilv upgrade or wrist with like 30
dull vine
i really dont know what trinket to use with flame
and idk whats the better time to change my cobalt ring
ionic fern
Sim yourself.
dull vine
askmrrobot or raidbots?
ionic fern
dull vine
ty
lost ocean
Kokia Blazehoof - Searing Blows and Searing Wounds... what do you all do to prepare for it? Stack IP? - someone was trying to tell me that it's magic based, but I don't think that's correct?
I'm curious to see how everyone else handles it
ionic fern
Kokia Blazehoof - Searing Blows and Searing Wounds... what do you all do to prep...
It's a bleed.
Things to do:
-Dwarf racial
-Evoker bleed dispell
-Inform your healer that it hurts
-Stack IP
-IV
-Plan CD's
-DStance (if the key level warrants it)
weary saddle
from the pin
ionic fern
Damn, even i forgot i pinned that.
lost ocean
LOL - that's hilarious. Ok, that makes sense. It's such a wild fight
weary saddle
basically +16 onwards, esp tyrannical, u need to rotate CDs and ask healer to use external CD eg time dilation to help.
the higher keys u go, the greater the risk of going splat
static girder
guys can u reccomend me with trinket i shall use [Decoration of Flame] or All-Totem of the Master, both r same i lvl
weary saddle
the thing abt BLEED, is that Spell Block does not work.
lost ocean
the thing abt BLEED, is that Spell Block does not work.
So basically it's about bolstering your health? Which is why IP works
slim dove
guys can u reccomend me with trinket i shall use [Decoration of Flame] or All-To...
all-totem
drifting edge
So for RWS are u guys teaching haste or single tar dam
static girder
Thank you
ionic fern
So basically it's about bolstering your health? Which is why IP works
Just a healer mechanic outside of you helping with proper CD management.
lone eagle
Damn, even i forgot i pinned that.
Do you know if the Dominance aura tick on Kurog is spellblockable?
Trying to decide if I should take Spellblock or just Bloodborne scum to help DPS
ionic fern
No idea, i haven't used it there.
lone eagle
I can't read
It would show up as "blocked" right
now that they changed how spell block works
and it works like a true block
ionic fern
Yes.
lone eagle
kk, can prob update the spellblock sheet then 🤷
ionic fern
Not sure if he has it on the sheet?
But.. @shut summit Flame Dominance on Kurog is not Spell Blockable (log above).
mighty crater
is tepid vers or glacial better for us
lone eagle
On a relatively consistent 2 targets
What is expected to be more rage
Impenetrable Wall, or Bloodsurge
Outburst - does the rage multiplier work on Impenetrable Wall bonus rage?
Also, seeing a lot of Show of Force on Kurog
but I feel like Sudden Death has to be better
or am I crazy
urban portal
ST vs aoe
lone eagle
realistically Kurog is ~2 targets the whole fight
urban portal
then you sim 2T and just take the one thats better
lone eagle
But you aren't getting to spend much rage on Revenge aggressively as the damage intake is so high you're spamming IP
for M Kurog
urban portal
you are still pressing it once every 5 seconds or so for tier
urban portal
i just realized that improved execute is baseline for prot
while you need a point for it on arms
sick sentinel
Kurog does slap especially the earth section
lone eagle
Yeah SoF does outsim
interesting
Will prob get to spend Revenge more when I have 4 set and some haste
and/or good trinkets
Would like an Incarnate Icon
zinc spruce
do people hate SBG this week?
weary python
Something all of a sudden is preventing me from firing grieftorch. It's available, but won't fire off.
mighty crater
another on use trinket
whole vortex
Sbg still easy this week
mighty crater
it procs a 20-30s icd when using on use
weary python
I've never noticed it happening with Decoration of Flame
But it's happening with Whetstone
mighty crater
if you only used 1 on use trinket before it wont
weary python
So like I open the fight, and Whetstone fires off. It then puts Grieftorch on a 15s CD. That comes off of the cooldown and appears to be ready, but won't fire.
mighty crater
its longer than its displaying
i did notice if i grief first then whet it does the 20s correct
zinc spruce
I've never noticed it happening with Decoration of Flame
if i use whetstone then i can only use DoF 27ish seconds after
edgy spear
But you aren't getting to spend much rage on Revenge aggressively as the damage ...
I spend every free global that isn't SS/TC or one of the CDs on it for more SS resets.
weary python
Yeah it's weird, it lined up perfectly with Devotion of Flame/ Grieftorch. But now with Whetstone/ Grieftorch it's wonky.
edgy spear
Being rage starved and having free globals because you're pressing IP sounds counterproductive in the long run
cerulean tusk
Prot warr never dies, so makes sense. Though your pulls can cause your team to die. So tank 0 deaths, team 9, would be equally as unsuprising
ionic fern
I've never noticed it happening with Decoration of Flame
Whetstone refreshes the 20s trinket CD every time it pulses. So it's actually 25s.
lone eagle
That's weird
wary haven
I’m not pulling out of the ordinary
lone eagle
But interesting
ionic fern
That's 🍝.
lone eagle
I just need some juicer trinkets on my pwar 😢
Looking like I'll do ~53-54k on a good pull with some optimization I did tonight on Kurog, maybe a bit higher
but running a 415 Hunger and a 402 Decoration
4 set would help a little on the margins defensively as well
but can't convert pieces till next week
south zealot
sup noobs
cerulean tusk
Whelping have been doing my alt BDK a lot of favours as a passive. Ya might wanna try it
cerulean tusk
godspeed
lone eagle
Just want a good Incarnate Icon and a Grieftorch, and then an Eranog ring
and I can die happy
bear got H Grieftorch first vault week and I swept all the rank 1 parses with it
spark nest
Just want a good Incarnate Icon and a Grieftorch, and then an Eranog ring
Is the Eranog/Diurna ring any good for Prot, outside of its stats?
lone eagle
If you make the Frostfire Belt its pretty decent
Prot won't proc it as much as the leather tanks would (they get an immo aura cowl or just do fire damage naturally)
but you can proc them enough to make them overbudget in terms of power
You'll just want to really juice haste in your other slots
Recommend crafting engi bracers soon with pure haste on them to offset the non-haste heavy rings
spark nest
Interesting. I hadn't seen the Frostfire belt, that definitely makes it much more appealing.
lone eagle
Yeah, its decent for sure
I got the H Diurna ring first week on the pwar
just need my mythic Eranog ring
edgy spear
It does a not-unreasonable amount of healing on a fight like Kurog
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d1n762TRXybVmFxA#fight=25&type=healing&source=17
I have the heroic one with frostfire belt
spark nest
Recommend crafting engi bracers soon with pure haste on them to offset the non-h...
Why the Engi bracers specifically? Just really high secondary stat? (I'm a fairly new player, if you couldn't guess, so forgive any dumb or obvious questions. 😂 )
lone eagle
Why the Engi bracers specifically? Just really high secondary stat? (I'm a fai...
You can get a bres tinker on them (even as a non-engineer), and engineering pieces (head/wrists) are monostat
so instead of say, 250 haste and 250 crit or w/e
They'll just be 500 haste
spark nest
Ooooh damn, that changes a lot of things. I've been holding onto my Sparks for a minute now, because I knew as soon as I get something, I'll regret it.
lone eagle
Recommended spark crafts:
Frostfire Belt to activate rings as one of your embellished pieces; Lariat (neck), Engineering Wrists, Weapon and Shield IMO
spark nest
I've got the Lariat, and I think I might have spent one on something else, I'd have to double check. 🤔
wanton shale
do engi wrists count as an embellishment?
mighty valley
no
mighty valley
the frostfire belt does but it's not an engineering belt
spark nest
I thought it said it did, but now I'm looking at Wowhead and it doesn't say.
lone eagle
Belt counts and Lariat counts
fallen lichen
And it’s kinda shitty if you don’t have engineering right? Will level 1 df engi make it good like a br from shadowlands?
lone eagle
Its better than having no bres at all
mighty valley
legit only use it if your other option is wipe
lone eagle
Generally if the tank has to bres, its a last ditch effort anyway
So what do you have to lose
mighty valley
if you're ever like "might as well get a dps up" you'll turn into a frog and brick the run
spark nest
I assume it still counts towards/against the Brez charges available in Raids, yeah?
lone eagle
yes
mighty valley
but when it works it can save the day, so
fallen lichen
Thought it was like a 5 sec cast for non-engineers and 2 sec for engineers
lone eagle
but yeah, lariat and belt as your embellishments
put your flavor pocket in your weapon or shield
mighty valley
it's not a long cast, it just has a higher failure rate
spark nest
Flavor pocket?
marble cipher
lone eagle
pseudo embellishment you can buy and put in a crafted piece
basically means you don't get trolled by Fortune Cookies in keys
spark nest
Oh wow, that is nice.
lone eagle
since you can't re-eat it during a key since you loot an item by eating it
now you just eat a fortune cookie once every 2 hours and you're gucci
also indirect buff to Pandaren
marble cipher
panda master race
stuck basin
you can put -15% fail chance in the bracers its not as bad - saved me 5 keys last 2 ids and riped 1 which would be a wipe anyway without heal 😉
spark nest
Are any of the other tinkers worth getting, aside from the Brez?
mortal brook
they all share cd with potions so not really
spark nest
Oh man, that does cut their value down.
mortal brook
if i didnt need the brez id just make bs wrists so i could socket, tbh
uneven ice
Hi! I tried Raszageth LFR yesterday, and boi… it is a boss
stuck basin
you can put extra normal socket on ingi wrist as well
uneven ice
I don’t understand the claws mechanic, i don’t see any debuff on the other tank
How we are supossed to swap?
Or when
mortal brook
1 electric jaw
uneven ice
Every one?
mortal brook
there will be a cast on the boss
every one yes. it makes you take 100% more phys damage
along with the nature dot
uneven ice
Yesterday a monk told me to swap AT 4
spark nest
Rofl
edgy spear
lol
mortal brook
thats a brave monk
cerulean tusk
If you no longer got the debuff, taunt the boss. Ez fix
uneven ice
I was THUNDERSTOMPED
spark nest
That monk wanted you dead.
uneven ice
For the love of my live i couldnt understand what happened
So everytime it casts it, swap
And in ELvui focus frame i can’t see any debuff on the other tank, is normal?
mortal brook
yes on 1 cast, and it becomes 'thunderous blast' in p3, which will explode on the raid based on the damage you take
or something like that
edgy spear
I would recommend getting the "Co-tank" weakaura package
And then get the sound package addon: https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/sharedmedia_causese
Under "Custom options" in the weakaura you can set it to give you an auditory cue on X amount of stacks (1 in this case) along with what it shows on your screen
autumn marsh
Looks like prot escaped the nerf bat on the next patch
placid vale
Prot is where they want all tanks to be I guess.
jagged pier
Well as all the tanks are actually pretty close there isnt much need to nerf us
pallid quiver
only reason to nerf us is to appease the masses
but really i think healer imbalance is worse and should be looked at more
mortal brook
Well as all the tanks are actually pretty close there isnt much need to nerf us
:sadbaer:
warm plinth
I really hope that ironfur talent goes live and it's based on armor with ironfurs, even if it gets hotfixed after like a day
I just wanna see the insanity
mortal brook
couple issues with making it good tbh
jagged pier
Arent druid getting a tree change?
edgy spear
Doesn't fix the issue that they floorpov outside of incarn
jagged pier
True i suppose
mortal brook
maul/raze will always do more. even if you go full degen bristling/ue/goe/persist/lm, maul/raze will do more than Thorns of Iron. LM and Bearvoke IFs wont proc dam either
itll be neat to use tho sure
just no degen
warm plinth
well, tbf that's actually a good thing
Because I think their goal was probably so that it didn't feel like you lost every bit of damage by pressing ironfur vs maul/raze
mortal brook
nah, bugs fixed bear will do a lil more dam. but doesnt change that bear brings no niche, no mechanic/encounter advantage over another tank
and still sorta squish comparatively
dont think itll change the gap we've had this or previous 2 seasons
warm plinth
Probably not
warm plinth
Don't need to survive out of incarn with a 2nd tank anyway
edgy spear
I think m+ might be their biggest struggle
mortal brook
raidside not offering much either tbh
no mechanics cheese or special thing another tank doesnt have, that helps that group or diverts healer attention
even our better roar cd is gone
limpid anchor
Well played bear seems fine
mortal brook
right. its fine
limpid anchor
Issue is that most just suck
edgy spear
Yeah. Only thing they seem to have going for them is decent dmg
limpid anchor
Idk what’s the advantage of dh
edgy spear
Good at magic dmg. Mobility
edgy spear
Debuff ig but havoc is really good tho
limpid anchor
Havoc is good, so you prob have one anyway
edgy spear
Based on WCL stats it's Pwar > Bdk >>> brew/vdh >>> bear/ppal in terms of representation (looking at kurog). Makes sense since pwar is almost impossible to kill and bdk is impossible to kill outside of oneshots
mortal brook
ams, spellblock/reflect, spellward, ways to completely negate certain mechanics. bears dont offer any sort of advantage where youd go 'wow maybe we should bring a bear for this'
jagged pier
Monk is also impossible to kill
mortal brook
yeah plenty of things that skew tank population in raid. sometimes encounter, sometimes a utility or cd or debuff cuz its offspec counterparts are beans. anduin forcing bdks (along with bdks being good) went a dang long way to killin bears and such
edgy spear
We tried progging anduin without 2 dks and it was just pain. Had our GM play his dk alt
mortal brook
right. i was actively a detriment to the enjoyment of another player for playing bear on anduin
they have to play around my obnoxious decision
not every tiers like that tho ofc
but feelsbad
limpid anchor
Based on WCL stats it's Pwar > Bdk >>> brew/vdh >>> bear/ppal in terms of repres...
Ngl that’s more bcs vengeance feels like shit, bear feels like shit, pally was bugged the whole beta so people didn’t play it much, pwar and bdk are fun af and overall really strong (also every YouTuber / streamer says pwar is busted, so the pop is higher
Not because the other tanks are bad
Boomie is a good example, many said it’s shit
But it’s actually really good
edgy spear
More often than not it seems like a good idea to have a bdk alt on standby during any given tier because of how much they can cheese certain fight designs
mortal brook
that's typical boomy pr
zinc spruce
2400 r.io hunter didn't know how to bait in cos, or that he had to bloodlust when he is the only one with bloodlust
limpid anchor
So are the other tanks
warm plinth
Yeah, boomies in general are sandbagger extraordinaires
mortal brook
that's typical boomy pr
cry and cry and cry and cry then 5 of you are in for RWF
cry so hard you killed kyrian for bear
and guess what
buffs inc for boomies next week
surprise
edgy spear
It's so fucking weird given the lack of attention shamans are getting
warm plinth
At least they finally gave monk and shaman heal CDs the 100% increase outside of raids that's like 5 years overdue
mortal brook
but no, sorry rant, state of bear doesnt change much next week, other than a mild dam gain
warm plinth
I still love you Steve
zinc spruce
🤮
mortal brook
or! im completely wrong and ufr/raze is chonky af and bear can compete defensively
we'll see
mortal brook
replace my mastery (that doesnt even make me the hp tank) with ursa major
move scintillating moonlight out of final bracket
glorious bear
edgy spear
If they somehow turn out fine after next week I might actually play my bear
mortal brook
it is MILDLY enjoyable having 7 of the other top bears asking about my secret strats (bringing a tankadin to hold everything)
jagged pier
Secret strat for sure
pallid quiver
imagine playing with people you actually like instead of people you hate the shit out of
edgy spear
so you get to spend rage on mauls and then you can pull big on incarn cd or what
pallid quiver
playing games for enjoyment and fun?
mortal brook
the real secret is im bad at feral
nah we dont pull around my incarn
its not season 4
where it WAS a secret strat of pulling very incarn friendly dungeons then she held during incarn downtime
and it worked great
this season less so
but yeah send on mauls, time some wildfires, but they could go higher without me yknow
fallen lichen
You guys running any special talents for tjs ~19 3rd boss?
Like: I run immovable object, double shield wall and spell block. Is that too much?
mortal brook
impending victory if you werent already. hit every other strike
edgy spear
double SW and spell block for sure. Not sure about IO
Spell block is really good for the tank busters on trash in there
mortal brook
ah right pins
fallen lichen
ah right pins
I’ve read the pins. Just wondering if speccing into IO isn’t too much of a dmg loss
edgy spear
Probably is if you are running double wall too
You can claw some back with IO by using wall aggressively due to SS CDR + anger management
There's only so much you can do on that fight as a tank. Healer needs to do their part too, which included planning a use of an external
edgy spear
No.
edgy spear
It's disease/poison/curse
sterile bough
2400 r.io hunter didn't know how to bait in cos, or that he had to bloodlust whe...
the bait is not necessary now
zinc spruce
how so
sterile bough
u see the lines now
autumn marsh
it is MILDLY enjoyable having 7 of the other top bears asking about my secret st...
What keys have you timed with that strat?
zinc spruce
still nice to not have a mess
mortal brook
2.8k, which was top 10 bear at one point last week 
autumn marsh
interesting
mortal brook
not interesting, dont try it
autumn marsh
Would this work with ALL tanks?
jagged pier
Then theres the BT who just 5 tank every keys and no one asks for their strats
jagged pier
When they can do things normal groups cant
zinc spruce
how do i sim for m+?
ionic fern
I’ve read the pins. Just wondering if speccing into IO isn’t too much of a dmg l...
You don't spec into IO..you spec into double wall.
sterile bough
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/11275655-20-halls-of-valor
"why are there no tank in queues?? dead game"
tank in queues be like:
jagged pier
how do i sim for m+?
3-5 targets 1 min get rid of all buffs
edgy spear
still nice to not have a mess
its gonna be a bit of a mess regardless. The range is only 7 yds around the clones and theres a max amount that can spawn. Just be aware of the slicing maelstrom timer and where the clones are, so you can drag the boss a bit away from them in the gap between the clone spawn and slicing maelstrom
mortal brook
"why are there no tank in queues?? dead game"
tank in queues be like:
safe space yep
no rdps to complain when they butt pull, get death blasted, and now you're 2% over your route so the keys a brick and wtf tank
autumn marsh
RIP
mortal brook
tank?
edgy spear
"wtf tank"
sterile bough
or melee dps
autumn marsh
he just yeeted to narnia, and then got sent to the twilight zone
sterile bough
on hov telling u when u moved frotnals b4 hyria by 10degrees
taht u moving so much
autumn marsh
Love it
edgy spear
taht u moving so much
while they're standing to the side-front of the mobs
mortal brook
lemme just eat these breach armors, power attacks and mortal hews to the face tyty
(and crunch armor is also S key)
edgy spear
correct me if im wrong but arent those HOV frontals literally 180 degrees?
amber siren
Yeah they're pretty wide
jagged pier
no rdps to complain when they butt pull, get death blasted, and now you're 2% ov...
Wtf is thay dh doing man
mortal brook
but thats all '180' frontals
mortal brook
Wtf is thay dh doing man
TIMING THE KEY WHErE TANK
jagged pier
mortal brook
PUT ON YOUR LEAPER LEGGO AND LETS GO
jagged pier
Thats a 19 my god
edgy spear
Also great when you tell them 3 times "let me reflect the imps. Dont go in before they start their cast" and even if you leap + charge to get there the DH will find a way to get themselves globalled
even funnier if they have an aoe stun of their own
mortal brook
and if not Leaper, at least Agrammar's Stride
smh
this is why speed is the best tertiary
edgy spear
for what exactly?
zinc spruce
EVERYTHING
lofty turret
been running some Sophic vs Frost sims and everything is pointing to Frost for all things M+, but every warrior I check in top M+ is sophic, am I missing something from sims, or is sims not properly simming sophic??
edgy spear
Sophic offers defensive benefits as well
thorny stone
Can Wrecking Throw crit when used on a shield?
unreal sage
Looks so bad?
mortal brook
the defensive benefits from sophic outweigh the small dam diff, prob
lofty turret
ya gotcha for the parry
mortal brook
and the amps to all our AP abilities
edgy spear
Bigger IP from more str
zinc spruce
Looks so bad?
😮
unreal sage
Terrible xd
zinc spruce
H O r R E N D O U S
unreal sage
As closer you are lokking that worse it is xd
edgy spear
gonna bite here but: No punish, no indomitable. Reaching for bloodborne but then not taking the thund. roar talents (and taking the bleed heal instead of BrV). No 1h spec
zinc spruce
As closer you are lokking that worse it is xd
zoom in, 200%
spare tree
Swappin from Fury to prot for M+ going forward, any suggestions for good Addons/Wa's going into DF dungeons?
edgy spear
Boomin voice with no talent to reduce cd of shout?
TL is not worth it
zinc spruce
^
edgy spear
Swappin from Fury to prot for M+ going forward, any suggestions for good Addons...
Spell reflect WA is bis
lofty turret
^
zinc spruce
Spear of bastion with sanguine?
why not
lofty turret
knowing when a cast is actually targeting you can net you some serious damage especially in temple
reflecinting 200k+ dark claws is insaneeeeeeee
unreal sage
Also tyranical week without talent that reduce dmg done to you enevry time you are using shield bash?
lofty turret
reflecting*
zinc spruce
I mean its flawed
was looking to see what sims high
this sims pretty high
thats it
unreal sage
And i think talent that gives you ip is beter with 4p than that one which is healing tought Deep wound
edgy spear
FbV was only really considered because of the BrV bug
ionic fern
That's horrible.
unreal sage
Is it still bugged? Yesterday someone here said this is propably fixed
unreal sage
That's horrible.
^
zinc spruce
That's horrible.
i disagree
jagged pier
Wtf is that?
zinc spruce
Wtf is that?
talents
jagged pier
No indom one of your best talents
edgy spear
You're picking all the bleed stuff in the prot tree and then you dont pick the thund. roar capstones
jagged pier
No punish 1 of of our best talents
jagged pier
U take bb but not TR
zinc spruce
there's room for improvement
ionic fern
i disagree
Well, you're also worried about a AV 18..so that explains a lot.
jagged pier
So u gunna hve no sb
zinc spruce
Well, you're also worried about a AV 18..so that explains a lot.
and u dont touch grass
jagged pier
He does
ionic fern
Eh?
zinc spruce
glacial pumice
In a aoe situation, during avatar and lucky on SS procs, would the rotation be: TC-SS-TC-SS-... while dumping rage on Ignore Pain. Or should I still try to get revenge casts in between to dump rage?
jagged pier
That is your rotation during avatat
Regardless
U need to weave revenge in if u have tier set
deep spruce
It's not your rotation during avatar if u don't have a shield slam proc
Which is what he asked
Yes @glacial pumice in an ideal world, but it likely looks more like tc-ss-tc-rev-tc etc
spare tree
if anyone has a solid talent setup for tyrannical week that would be appreciated. doing 20-21 keys if that matters.
quick haven
Hey guys I got the ring from Eranog. Should i craft the frostfire belt to proc it more?
ionic fern
if anyone has a solid talent setup for tyrannical week that would be appreciated...
The "normal" tree.
Just swap to double SW/ Spell Block where needed.
ionic fern
Hey guys I got the ring from Eranog. Should i craft the frostfire belt to proc i...
Yes.
lofty turret
frostfire belt is amazing regardless
spare tree
The "normal" tree.
Just swap to double SW/ Spell Block where needed.
cheers
jagged pier
Hey guys I got the ring from Eranog. Should i craft the frostfire belt to proc i...
Yes
quick haven
but its rough to craft it because of the souls material right
glacial pumice
Thanks; and what if I have violent outburst up. Would I delay tc to use it with a ss (even if I'm unlucky with procs)?
lofty turret
nah souls are easy to get, just put up a craft Order for Zap throttle if its too expensive to buy
edgy spear
but its rough to craft it because of the souls material right
Nah
spare tree
The "normal" tree.
Just swap to double SW/ Spell Block where needed.
normal tree being the one used on wowhead btw?
edgy spear
Can be a bit annoying to get as you wanna have them die off your bleeds while channeling the item, but they also have stops that can fuck you over
mighty valley
If you have a single friend the souls are trivial to get
spare tree
Not sure what WoWHead suggests.
cheers mate
lofty turret
just get it to like 15-20% cast Ravager and click ur zap
mighty valley
And if you have zero friends you just gotta time it reasonably
lofty turret
or 10% w/e
zinc spruce
has anyone tried to bring down all the birds at once in AA?
ionic fern
cheers mate
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA
This one.
lofty turret
is that even possible?
spare tree
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVE...
awesome, thanks ❤️
deep spruce
i saw a clip of a dude doing it
Any link to that?
shell trail
zinc spruce
he didn't give credits to the person that did it first so i didn't wanna give him publicity, thats the one ^
sick sentinel
ruby whelping any good for prot in m+?
training single target fire shot atm but wasnt sure if it was even worth
sudden gazelle
Any idea who can make me a 418 Primal Molten Defender in EU? 😄
eager phoenix
its specific for your server
edgy spear
Has to be same server. Ask/look in trade chat
edgy spear
You'll have to wait until it wakes then
neon elk
Next reset is last spark quest and they also uncap them, or we gota wait next 2 weeks for uncap?
opal spruce
Any good youtube video that explain Prot warriors for beginners? I am shifting from fury to prot.
edgy spear
more baers in chat <:bearbear:809709571479437322>
Bear is on leave atm.
Pwar too strong and fun
quick harbor
Vault question, I got 421 non tier gloves, and 418 non tier pants in the vault. I currently have 408 tier gloves and 389 tier legs. Which is the better choice overall. Go for the max ilvl gloves or go for the big stat upgrade legs
craggy pilot
Any good youtube video that explain Prot warriors for beginners? I am shifting f...
Check dorki warr guide, but the talents are maybe a bit outdated
hazy thicket
Vault question, I got 421 non tier gloves, and 418 non tier pants in the vault....
Take the gloves, catalyst them on reset, never worry about that slot again
quick ocean
Hi, may i also ask a vault question? Got Icon 408 and two 421 set pieces in the vault. Would you pick the trinket over the setpiece?
hidden kindle
How much value do we actually get from Bloodsurge? Does it have a "cap"?
strong forum
Bloodsurge doesn't have a cap, in m+ it's about 11% of your rage gen (higher if you play worse)
strong forum
Hi, may i also ask a vault question? Got Icon 408 and two 421 set pieces in the...
Icon is only good if you have dps/healer with the icon equipped aswell
Otherwise it's nothing special
strange chasm
idk i compare other prot wars logs vs my and for example my shield slam do like 10k less dmg on avg hit :/
1st boss on hc my ss 32 hit other war 38 hits i did 900k dmg he did 1.4k mln
hidden kindle
I want to play something like this for m+: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVRUVUgRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVBVFUYVUUCVE
but I'm I feel like there is one point I would like to shift around potentially between Show of Force, Thunderlord or Bloodsurge - not sure which has more value
not sure how much dps show of force really contributes
ionic fern
idk i compare other prot wars logs vs my and for example my shield slam do like ...
Check ilvl/mastery etc.
jagged pier
Monk buff
ionic fern
strong forum
idk i compare other prot wars logs vs my and for example my shield slam do like ...
Outburst usage probably
strong forum
I want to play something like this for m+: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/w...
remove BSV, it's bugged and procs way too early
Also why don't you play punish? It's 9-12% perma DR on bosses/prio targets
hidden kindle
hmm have noticed some werid procs with BSV, what is the bug exactly? I used to play punish but I guess it also kind of competes with Thunderlord / Show of Force and it just seems to do less damage in a dungeon
strong forum
The bug is, it procs pre-mitigation
They somewhat fixed it, but it still procs at 60% hp
hidden kindle
pre-mitigated includes block and everything?
limpid citrus
Just a macro question. I'm looking to build Shield Slam and/or Thunderclap so it casts while I press ignore pain, shield block, spell reflect or any other non global defensive to counter my slow fingers.
Is there a way to macro it so it casts Shield Slam or Thunderclap depdent on whats available or alternatively try to cast both?
strong forum
pre-mitigated includes block and everything?
Literally everything
hidden kindle
🤔 dafaq
strong forum
Just a macro question. I'm looking to build Shield Slam and/or Thunderclap so it...
You can't automate it, but if you just put it into order it acts like a priority list
hidden kindle
You can't automate it, but if you just put it into order it acts like a priority...
/cast shield slam
/cast thunder clap
this would never ever thunder clap?
limpid citrus
You can't automate it, but if you just put it into order it acts like a priority...
Yeah I just tried the cast shield slam cast thunder clap sequence and it doesnt cast thunder clap then. just attempts to cast shield slam
strong forum
/cast shield slam
/cast thunder clap
this would never ever thunder clap?
It would send TC when SS isn't usable, pretty sure
Maybe they changed that
Used to work
limpid citrus
I might have sequenced it wrong but I have tried it a few times on a dummy now and it didnt cast thunder clap when macroed just with /cast
limpid citrus
What happens is that when i press it it just casts shield slam and uses ignore pain. it ignores the thunder clap part. Anyone who knows if different abilities can be macroed in a sequence order like that?
zealous spade
(Ragnaros)
I can do it, I am shieldcrafter, easy rank 5 and currently online, same char name as discord
hidden kindle
there is no way to make a priority list macro for two on-GCD spells like that
you can make a castsequence but it doenst really fit your use case
limpid citrus
Fair enough. Ill just use SS on IP and Thunder Clap on Block then. it would be super minor anyways
Thanks for your time tho. Much appreciated
odd gulch
whats best way to sim for dungeon damage? dungeon slice?
odd gulch
alright thanks
dense ledge
raid meh, m+ biggest afaik
uncut notch
remove BSV, it's bugged and procs way too early
i fucking knew it
I was SURE it was proccing randomly
I had a Nelson Muntz weakaura that goes "you made me bleed my own blood" whenever it procs
and it used to proc and the most random times and I assumed id dipped and been healed back before the ui refreshed or something
uncut notch
good?
yes considering its essentially free, requires no rotational change and is a free DR and DPS increase
edgy spear
2-set is free DR and DPS. 4-set is more IP.
solar blade
is puzzlebox+whetstone a viable option tho its 2 on-use?
torpid saffron
So what's the deal with Spell Block ? Do we take it in every dungeon ? Do we just ignore both Tough as Nails and Spell Block and we go for more DOT dps with Bloodborne ?
strong forum
You don't take Spellblock in every dungeon
torpid saffron
What are the mandatory dungeons for spell block ?
edgy spear
So what's the deal with Spell Block ? Do we take it in every dungeon ? Do we jus...
Good in TJS and RLP. Otherwise go for tough as nails
torpid saffron
Oh, nice. I was thinking about those to be kinda nasty, also AV but now that AV got heavily nerfed i don't find it to be the case anymore
quick harbor
I am about to tank heroic brood boss by myself, any tips?
high drum
use shield block, have the route on 2nd screen
dont drop ur spaghetti
are you doing 1 egg too?
torpid saffron
Is Seismic Reverberation not worth taking anymore ?
gloomy vortex
Broodkeeper heroic, any suggestions on mitigating damage. Can I spell block any of the dots? Any required talents to spec into
edgy spear
Is Seismic Reverberation not worth taking anymore ?
It's alright in cleave and dungeons
quick harbor
yeah will be doing 1 egg as well
gloomy vortex
yeah will be doing 1 egg as well
You are running solo tank for heroic brood?
high drum
put a mark on ur head and make sure you stand near the egg ur gonna do
so the other guys know which one youre taking without having to communicate
and pre-mark the 4 eggs that get broken on triple breaks
quick harbor
You are running solo tank for heroic brood?
thats the plan as we are doing 2 2 6
gloomy vortex
Still having two tanks then, I did heroic brood Tuesday and I was on eggs… ilvl 399 and I survived
My bear co tank ilvl 395 was the liability
mortal brook
coulda stopped at 'my bear cotank'
gloomy vortex
Couldn’t finish as we did not have the dps.. best was 8%
high drum
let the bear do adds maybe
gloomy vortex
He was
high drum
oh ok
gloomy vortex
I was on eggs
Phase 2 with the taunt swap was an issue for him
After how bad prot warrior was in SL compared to bear.. love that I can take more
high drum
taunt swap?
high drum
raid yep m+ prolly not
gloomy vortex
taunt swap?
The tank buster, 65% reduced healing
He was just taking too much damage anyway
high drum
i think u can just tank it
if not, ive never noticed it
maybe she's just too low for us to ever encounter needing a swap
gloomy vortex
Does anyone use spell block for this boss?
gloomy vortex
What % is she when you enter phase 2?
high drum
15ish i think
limpid anchor
We were at like 40 and it’s still fine
gloomy vortex
It stacks and can’t be avoided
high drum
wtf
steep wraith
The adds no longer heal in p2 though right, so your co tank can come help
limpid anchor
It does?
high drum
ive never experienced it stacking
lemme check our first kill
no
it doesnt stack
just take em all
pine vapor
Hey all, I'm playing prot and I've noticed more and more that my DPS is just off. I'm staying alive and mitigating quite well, but on some boss fights I will pull 10-15k less than comparable warriors. I've noticed that Im lacking crit because most of my gear is haste/vers/mastery instead of crit. Is that a huge issue or am I overthinking it?
mental scarab
If boss die you did right
whole vortex
Shield slam more
mental scarab
Smash buttons harder
pine vapor
Over a fight I have the same amount of ability uses as other classses (shield slam included), but the lack of crit is a big dmg difference
mental scarab
Macro SB to everything
dense ledge
make sure you reflect the stuff you can
whole vortex
Get better trinkets, use pots and flasks, use better enchants
pine vapor
cheers
jade tartan
how r u guys dealing with bleeding dmg? NO last boss, bird in AA etc... these bleeds giga obliterate me
rough solar
Does Avatar/Demo Shout affect trinket damage?
ocean prairie
should i remove rumbling ruby 402 for granyth scale 418? the alternative is tier +10 ilvl
deep spruce
how r u guys dealing with bleeding dmg? NO last boss, bird in AA etc... these b...
Defensive and externals
deep spruce
They're tough, but that's all it's down to, cycle your defensive for it
median tulip
Hey all, I'm playing prot and I've noticed more and more that my DPS is just off...
my secondary stats are in the (approx) proportion of 3 Haste : 2 Crit : 1 Vers : 1 Mastery, and that ratio works out well for me on both damage and survivability.
glad ginkgo
yo some1 told me that theres a post aka a guide on how to survive 3rd boss jade
amber siren
Yep first post in pins
pine vapor
my secondary stats are in the (approx) proportion of 3 Haste : 2 Crit : 1 Vers :...
yeah Im realising that now, I'm really lacking crit. I'm at 33% haste and 12% crit, 16 vers, 24 master
edgy spear
Macro SB to everything
Don't do this.
mental scarab
pine vapor
I've changed my enchants around, but I guess getting more pieces without mastery/vers is the only real fix
edgy spear
Macro'ing IP and SB to your spells just leaves you rage starved at times. If SB is already up and you're at low rage with SS/TC on CD you'd rather revenge to try and reset SS than you'd extend the shield block. Just dont let it drop and dont let it cap out on charges either.
stuck basin
I've changed my enchants around, but I guess getting more pieces without mastery...
more crit dont change a lot - often the logs you're looking will have windfury - making you du more autohits more rage more shild slam proccs...
ca 6-7% extra dmg
vers is equaliy fine to krit and mastery lacks a bit behind but that wont be more then 1k dps max 😉
median tulip
yo some1 told me that theres a post aka a guide on how to survive 3rd boss jade
The middle third of the fight is the only bit that's dangerous. Have Impending Victory, Last Stand or Bitter Immunity for when she hits you with the Healing Absorb, and rotate Shield Wall and Demo Shout as much as possible should be enough.
glad ginkgo
The middle third of the fight is the only bit that's dangerous. Have Impending V...
❤️
median tulip
The Jade Serpent Strike is around a 30s CD, so you should have IV for every JSS
craggy pilot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kE7app93qAqk2YfdWZ2x9a
guess this means im replacing my Cobalt ring 
silent anchor
how r u guys dealing with bleeding dmg? NO last boss, bird in AA etc... these b...
Which bleed on the last boss in NO? 1st phase?
wicked plank
Seal of diurna's chosen 421 + Seal of filial duty 430 or seal of diurna's chosen 421 + Signet of Melandrus 415 ?
eager phoenix
since you can spell reflect the p2 buster in NO just cycle demo/shield wall/last stand for the bleed
silent anchor
since you can spell reflect the p2 buster in NO just cycle demo/shield wall/last...
Was gonna say this. Ele boss is also huge for reflect damage
wicked plank
playing with frostfire belt
mortal brook
pew pew
wicked plank
Am not sure for the seal of filial duty as it's a shield, it's ok-ish i'll say but is it worth the dps loss from melandrus 's ring ?
prime sphinx
No unless u need it to survive
mortal brook
is it even getting outsimmed by the melandrus ring at 430?
prime sphinx
Possibly on aoe? Forgot it was 430 mythic
mortal brook
if its like within a hundo dps or whatever, dont mind me takin the 2k hps and more stat for eco/hp from diurna tbh. healer attention going to dps will make up the dps diff
brave jungle
I dont understand how Intervene can help 3rd boss in TJS. Can someone explain?
amber siren
Getting out of the circle faster I guess?
spice radish
it doesnt
untold adder
thats not even a problem lol
spice radish
4th boss though it helps
brave jungle
Is IV not referring to Intervene?
brave jungle
Ah ofc. My bad
crystal solstice
that makes more sense
was gonna say, i've only heard of taking intervene for fenrir in HOV
untold adder
ye
brave jungle
And the duo boss in NO?
crystal solstice
for the arrow thing im guessing?
ocean prairie
whats better between granyth's scale and rumbling ruby?
tacit haven
was gonna say, i've only heard of taking intervene for fenrir in HOV
Intervene could be useful for last boss AV as well right?
Just as an extra movement cause those damned orbs love to box me in.
edgy spear
Rather play bounding stride then
edgy spear
And the duo boss in NO?
You just charge ranged dude every time.
crystal solstice
yeah for movement but i like the one that makes you nyoom after heroic leap
untold adder
For AV you have plenty of movement
charge to shards, move when 0 stacks, celar stacks with avatar and heroic leap
crystal solstice
intervene on fenrir is good because you IV whoever fenrir's target is and it takes those hits, unless im wrong on that
untold adder
yea you intervene the focus target and it does nothing to them
blazing condor
Thundering also gives you free mocement speed
crystal solstice
yeah that way the random pug arcane mage doesnt need to move out of his arcane sigil (spoiler he wasn't gonna anyway)
untold adder
yes; what i normally do on umbreskul is tank up with side up to a wall, and then "gather" all the orbs under him (normally just move a bit when i have 0 stacks). If i get a lot of orbs behind me, i leap behind the boss, so they all gather up behind the boss, and if the orbs are already behind him i kite him around. so either clockwise or counter clockwise depending on how the orbs behanve and spawn. That normally makes it pretty manageable
crystal solstice
yeah idt i've ever had a big problem with the orbs but you can also charge crystals to reposition too
untold adder
if you struggle, go with a druid healer and ask him to dispell you on cd while he just ignores the entire mechanic with shapeshift lol
neat parrot
+22 AA , avoid this healer, he forgets to BL after he signed in a group entilted +22 BL.
vocal cradle
Umbreskul usually goes: Taunt, move up to a wall so the shards break up in a tighter formation, whenever all the orbs are getting to me I heroic leap to reposition. Otherwise just keep ST the boss.
edgy spear
+22 AA , avoid this healer, he forgets to BL after he signed in a group entilted...
What are you hoping to achieve here?
spring holly
what gems are people using in lariat does it matter?
I heard something about using different ones for different/more procs or can you stack the same?
mortal brook
nah they fixed that behavior
its all shared icd, random roll if you have different
but hasteheavy vers or crit
edgy spear
limpid anchor
+22 AA , avoid this healer, he forgets to BL after he signed in a group entilted...
Idk I would rather avoid you tbh
vocal cradle
30% haste
I mean drums is good enough most of the time
unless it's an absolute tight key dps wise
mortal brook
i remember when drums were nerfed to 15%. from 20%. from 25%. from 30%. :pepeboomer:
atomic inlet
atomic inlet
guys wich ones are bis for M+?
warm plinth
Use highest ilevel or sim it
atomic inlet
Use highest ilevel or sim it
want to upgrade one to 15 so trying to dicide wich is better for m+
also whats sim?
warm plinth
The far right one
atomic inlet
The far right one
402 one has a gem slot
grave flower
what am I missing on first boss of RLP, I am getting chunked in 18s-19s from her spammable
lime rivet
Are you spell reflecting it?
lime urchin
+22 AA , avoid this healer, he forgets to BL after he signed in a group entilted...
Please go away
lime rivet
I only ask because I’ve embarrassingly not found out about spell reflectable abilities on bosses until doing 20s lol
eager phoenix
frigid shard is spell blockable and reflectable. the danger time is when chillstorm happens sucking the team while your getting blasted by shards. during the chillstorms is when you want to use defensives. rotate spellblock, shield wall, last stand and demo shout/spell reflect
grave flower
yeah ive been spell reflecting it and use spell block but I guess im just mistiming when I should prio those CDs
eager phoenix
you can probably open spell block for easy first 20s. then first chillstorm you wall. then at 75% the whelp and shield happens, its not high dmg on you cus she is channeling her thing right. so time to recover cds. then repeat for every chillstorm until boss is dead
lime rivet
+1 to cruise’s point to making sure to prioritize and ensuring cooldowns are rotating during storm, it’s truly the big pain time for healers
My heal main friend hates that boss with a burning (freezing?) passion
eager phoenix
lepan made a video talking through a rlp run. he mentioned you can even spellblock the chillstorm pulses if you are facing it but i might remember incorrect/misunderstood
only did 19 as highest so far, feels super simple from tank pov when i started using cds correct, even pre numerous nerfs
atomic inlet
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots
i dont know how this siming work wich option shoud i work with
untold adder
droptimizer is to figure out what content drops the best upgrades for you
atomic inlet
droptimizer is to figure out what content drops the best upgrades for you
is there a order ?
i mean wich is better from left toright or reverse?
sweet summit
u need to click this funny button
ionic plank
this is just the list of items that are available, you gotta do the sim first
atomic inlet
ow
warm plinth
i dont know how this siming work wich option shoud i work with
If you're comparing gear that you have, like you asked originally, you use top gear. Select the items you want to compare (in this case, each of the rings), then you'll want to do either patchwerk 1 target for 3-5 mins (generally sim 3 mins for keys and 5 for raid personally) or patchwerk 5 target for 3-5 mins to get an idea of a dungeon pull. Then kinda put the two together to determine which item will be better.
Droptimizer just tells you what gear to seek out in dungeons. It won't tell you what's best out of what you have.
atomic inlet
Droptimizer just tells you what gear to seek out in dungeons. It won't tell you...
ow thx mate
fathom goblet
hey
I have noticed that we dont have spellblock on the recommended talents
what should I drop to have an extra point to allocate on it
warm plinth
We don't use spell block as a general option; it's niche based on the dungeon. And it's on a choice node, so you just...change the node.
atomic inlet
If you're comparing gear that you have, like you asked originally, you use top g...
lol it didnt give me any suggestion
i think i human simmed it before and wearing the best i have 😄
urban bane
It should help me on Jade
check the pins; there's some suggestions there too
warm plinth
If that's the case it should say "your top gear is the best" or something like that
er, equipped gear
dense abyss
Good morning to Ruby's egg trinket, how do you train him for prote warr?
sick sentinel
last night when i ran HOV 11, we got to odyn, and everyone died except for me at 82% (fight ends at 80%) solo'd that last 2% and they thought i was a bad ass lol
spam IP and IV to stay alive long enough
crystal mauve
I’m currently training it for single target damage for M+ only content as I’m not sure how many targets are required for it to be better than single. I also think finding more single target damage is harder than AoE for most groups so it could help a bit more with bosses and higher health target
cold pollen
what's you ideal group for tjs third boss ?
sick sentinel
just a healer who's awake and logged in and hitting heal buttons really
dense abyss
I’m currently training it for single target damage for M+ only content as I’m no...
makes sense, thank you
cold pollen
just a healer who's awake and logged in and hitting heal buttons really
hard to find really
do you have a dh Meta taunt ?
crystal mauve
makes sense, thank you
Not sure if it’s the best but it’s our idea atm. It could change is the aoe version needs only two target to make it better and blast like crazy too 👀
limber barn
Droptimizer just tells you what gear to seek out in dungeons. It won't tell you...
sim is rational for tanks? Will the result we get be close to reality? Is it measuring our durability or our DPS?
sick sentinel
3rd boss? jade serpent strike you mean?
crystal mauve
sim is rational for tanks? Will the result we get be close to reality? Is it mea...
Dps only
sick sentinel
i cant recall any adds on that fight, but sure lol
warm plinth
Sims aren't really intended to show you "reality". They're intended as a comparison tool.
atomic inlet
If you're comparing gear that you have, like you asked originally, you use top g...
actually it looks like im doin something wrong after it ends it just show me what im wearing for bis
lyric elm
Just remember that if you're dead you do 0 dps
warm plinth
actually it looks like im doin something wrong after it ends it just show me wha...
It's not telling you what is "bis". It's telling you what is best out of what you have.
If your equipped gear is the best, then that's what it's going to show you
sick sentinel
no, for 3rd boss TJS, you just communicate with your healer and you don't fuckin like "JSS went off oh fuck i better hit all of ny defensives right now all at once"
eager phoenix
dont think any comp makes it easier. healer with a pulse, nobody getting clipped by the follow up 4x waves. maybe use lust at 70% to get through it quicker would be general tip? tjs 3rd boss isnt that complicated. damage reducing CDs for the initial hit and self healing to help healer on the absorb. you got potion, iv and last stand and some chip healing via ip+indom. make sure when you run out you dont run away from your healer. play the same quadrant of the room if you understand what i mean.
atomic inlet
It's not telling you what is "bis". It's telling you what is best out of what y...
i know but i changed some gear and it show me the changed things
hoary bough
is there a macro for swapping between defensive stance/battle stance, so i can reduce it to 1 button?
warm plinth
Link the sim
warm plinth
is there a macro for swapping between defensive stance/battle stance, so i can r...
Pins
hoary bough
ty
sick sentinel
have to roll your CD's instead with help from healer healing and externals each time, so you have something for the next JSS
lyric elm
no, for 3rd boss TJS, you just communicate with your healer and you don't fuckin...
Or shadowmeld it 
atomic inlet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9EkTECuFoVoFjkbr96qPet
this is the first on https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uFuzoPMrjSDzHFcHqAKfYG
atomic inlet
oh dear
warm plinth
If you're trying to compare rings, you need to click on each of these
atomic inlet
got it
sick sentinel
@cold pollen , in the pins at very top
warm plinth
Don't click lock or the plus sign. Just the main part of the selection
modern brook
this is the first on https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uFuzoPMrjSDzHFcHqAKf...
these sims are also of different durations
sick sentinel
im already living in a simulation called the matrix, so why would i need to sim my self if life is but a sim
modern brook
so u can do more damage
hoary bough
i saw the macro for combining IP and SS for IP casts to snipe slams, should i do the same for shield block?
atomic inlet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cLRzAq8P7VGeB2zBDnHiTv
so according to this i shoud say goodbye to mydiurna ring 😦
warm plinth
Yes, now do a single target sim (lower targets to 1) and see what it says
strong forum
Diurna ring is "only" 600-1k dps for us
The raw proc of it
Because we can't proc the ring 100% of the time like some other classes
slim dove
leather classes with 100% uptime aoe fire aura embellish
strong forum
Yeah vdh gets like 2.5k dps from the ring
reef holly
Hey can any of you pros take a look at my double shield wall talent tree and see if I can optimize it better? BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLAAAAAgkkEJJkUSKJJpUQEIUkIRJJBICJBlQSCCQIAAAAAAAQSAAo0aA
Its what I use for TJS and RLP
And AA
modern brook
Enduring alacrity sucks
warm plinth
Hey can any of you pros take a look at my double shield wall talent tree and see...
Enduring Alacrity instead of Violent Outburst is trolling
modern brook
not taking out burst is cap
I'mnot convinced you need immovable object
ona 2 SW build
but i could be wrong there
warm plinth
I'd still take battering ram over Thunderlord. If the purpose is for those dungeons (which means bosses), thunderlord is basically nothing
modern brook
and on a personal note im a big fan of ram over lord
warm plinth
TL sucks ass on ST
toxic pewter
I would prob drop bounding stride and take intimidating shout. Also IO instead of UF Seems strange for m+ to me
warm plinth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u6fNPyzEq934fGqr2RpE7V
yep looks like you're getting rid of the raid ring
Not surprising since it's only a 395
atomic inlet
Diurna ring is "only" 600-1k dps for us
well i craftet the waist cause of that even though cirit matery is not my thing 😦
warm plinth
I would prob drop bounding stride and take intimidating shout. Also IO instead o...
Well, for what he's doing with the build, it kinda makes sense. He's wanting the extra boss protection in those dungeons
modern brook
Hey can any of you pros take a look at my double shield wall talent tree and see...
w/ my (and ghash's cause he COPIES ME 😡) changes
warm plinth
Probably overkill but for what he wants, it's not terrible
toxic pewter
When I used it during beta lasted 4 seconds if I recall correctly
modern brook
yeah grain of salt the immo object change
I havent played it and forget that SW gives avatar from it
uptime might be worth it
warm plinth
Yeah if you're just wanting it for a tankbuster, it'd suit the purpose generally
toxic pewter
It’s an interesting build I guess
unkempt imp
Heavy repercussions vs into the fray? When to use one over the other?
slim dove
ITF in raid, HR otherwise.
generally speaking.
i run HR to tank broodkeeper cuz i wont have absolute 100% uptime on 5 stacks of ITF.
modern brook
ITF pulls ahead when you can maintain 5 stacks consantly
which is basically just when you have a melee stack
atomic inlet
I would prob drop bounding stride and take intimidating shout. Also IO instead o...
ye i do that depends on dungen
alos didnt got io and uf?
glad sorrel
Is there a way to macro intervene to target of target?
modern brook
oof
granite nest
glad sorrel
Ok ill try that ty 👍
unkempt imp
So you never run ITF in m+???
modern brook
id consider itf in a 5 melee AA tbh
warm plinth
I mean, ItF considers enemies as well so you generally would have full stacks in M+ regardless outside of bosses
That's not really the consideration
toxic pewter
It’s wild more people play with itf than hr in m+. Seems really greedy to me personally
toxic pewter
Like crawth alone itf is not a good time in my opinion
A lot don’t even take bolster or even battle scarred veteran as a backup
unkempt imp
How do you guys feel abt bloodbourne?
strong forum
It's pretty bad
cinder storm
Nome, are there any dungeons where you'd advise IO aside from crawth?
strong forum
High tyr nokhud for 3rd boss I guess
unkempt imp
I've been looking at subcreation a lot and been seeing a lot of ppl taking all these weird talents it's making me second guess a lot of builds
strong forum
It's also good in temple
cinder storm
Thanks, I'll give it a try there
warm plinth
The inevitable result of having talent trees like this is that there are bound to be some weird choices.
strong forum
Yeah
warm plinth
People took weird talents before; it's just more likely now with so many options.
smoky agate
Hello guys, I'm pretty new to warrior tanking and I wanted to ask if there's a macro to swap stances. Checked wowhead and icyveins but nothing
strong forum
It's in pins
strong forum
I've been looking at subcreation a lot and been seeing a lot of ppl taking all t...
90% of randoms builds are feelycrafted
unkempt imp
So in m+ would we ever take thunderlord over battering ram?
strong forum
The perfect use case for TL is when it allows you to get demo shout for a Super dangerous tank buster which you couldn't survive without the cdr provided from TL
You can run either, but battering ram is alot better on bosses and prio targets
And battering ram is just more dmg in general
solid granite
Battering also gives more & more powerful auto attacks
strong forum
Well yeah that's the main benefit
reef holly
Thanks all!
strong forum
More AA = more devastator = shield slam
unkempt imp
Enduring alacrity vs impenetrable wall?
uneven mason
"good" = the go to
sick sentinel
Any suggest what healer to take for +21 tjs ?
jagged pier
Battering has always been good
uneven mason
Booming?
hardy snow
Any suggest what healer to take for +21 tjs ?
good one
unkempt imp
What would you drop for disrupting shout?
jagged pier
I would drop SoF for that but i dont run it anyway
grave flower
Sof?
uneven mason
Show of force
grave flower
I hate acronyms because I never care to learn them.
unkempt imp
You don't run sof???
unkempt imp
Yeah I was mainly thinking dath
unkempt imp
Ohhh shit that makes a lot of sense
jagged pier
Meh i prefer the burst damage for the adds from BV and drooping SD isnt much of a lose as its lowest prio for most of the fight anyways
But each to their own
Thats what the talent system is for
solid granite
I use shout for very specific keys, like CoS.. well, only CoS actually
warm plinth
Shockwave imps, imps dead
solid granite
imps
jagged pier
U sr them
warm plinth
FEar imps, imps dead
gritty swallow
Bring boomie
warm plinth
SR imps
sick sentinel
1 more 11 run and i can make a 405 infusion today
jagged pier
Or shockwave them
sick sentinel
really should be pushing IO instead
strong forum
But I guess pugs can't do dmg on demand
solid granite
idk, imps in a forti 22-23 do outlive shockwave
gritty swallow
You’d think they’d big brain and realize imps hurt and save dps
jagged pier
Yer thats why u go first sr the first set
gritty swallow
But pugs never use brain
jagged pier
Put them all at 50%
toxic pewter
Do you guys run spell block in AA?
strong forum
Spellblock is useless in AA
jagged pier
Do you guys run spell block in AA?
No
toxic pewter
Ok thanks
sick sentinel
Do you guys run spell block in AA?
its yogi, but i run spell block on vritually everything now
toxic pewter
Roger that
sick sentinel
usually some mobs in a dungeon that could probably be spell blocked
unkempt imp
What other dungeons would you not run spellblock?
inland adder
Nokhud
toxic pewter
how about defenders aegis in AA? Maybe for Crawth
rotund thicket
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jZ1x3ptwVFD2RWmf#fight=44&type=auras&source=14 is there a reason not to take a stance? 😂
unkempt imp
Really??? I would imagine spellblock is nice for lightning boss and all the trash around 2nd and 3rd boss
strong forum
Lightning boss doesn't do magic dmg unless you don't have a purge
limpid anchor
The lightning boss doesn’t do dmg to us
sick sentinel
priest says "all the best trinkets come from this dungeon" (HOV)
strong forum
The mobs around 2nd and 3rd boss are all kickable
sick sentinel
i didn't make note of what type of priest, assumed healer
reef holly
Thanks all for the help team. Can you guys take a look at my standard mythic build? I will take out Enduring alacrity and put in something else
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sick sentinel
actually, had to be cuz spamming some heal spell i saw at one point
strong forum
Im on mobile so I can't check those talents
sick sentinel
mythic as in dungeon?
warm plinth
Thanks all for the help team. Can you guys take a look at my standard mythic bui...
It's fine other than enduring alacrity, which should go to Impenetrable Wall
solid granite
there are some interesting dps specs for raiding out there.. i guess i'm going to change my sockets lol
unkempt imp
Would you use spellblock in av cos sbg or tjs?
sick sentinel
TJS 100%
limpid anchor
Not in cos
sick sentinel
has a very strong use case on 3rd boss jade serpent strike
rotund thicket
i use spellblock in every dungeon other then court, but im always pulling big and doing 22-25s keys so i kinda need the defensive D:
reef holly
It's fine other than enduring alacrity, which should go to Impenetrable Wall
Awesome thank you sir