protection

[pulsar sedge]

NM, both are 24k here now. Same price ;D

[strong forum]

True, didn't know

Lol

But then again, I've not been in totjs for 4 weeks

[warm plinth]

XD either way, should have SB up regardless for dam

[strong forum]

Yes

Always SB up

[pulsar sedge]

Except those damn flavor packets are still 80k here..

RRIIPP

[strong forum]

Yeah...

[warm plinth]

Do you have any level 60 alts?

[strong forum]

And I'm not recrafting an item just for the flavour

Nu-uh

[radiant pewter]

do pull all the flowers in Academy before tree boss, even on sanguine week

[pulsar sedge]

I mean, you are kiting them anyways cuz of the casts, so why not?

[warm plinth]

You can do feast as early as level 60. So just plant a bunch of 60s at the feast and each feast you can do 3-5 characters depending on how cooperative the lag is being when issuing tasks.

[pulsar sedge]

True true, might just park my alt army there

[warm plinth]

Out of like...10 weeklies? I got 2 pockets

Not sure if that's the norm or if I just got lucky though

[pulsar sedge]

People buying them?

[warm plinth]

I kept them. Gonna use 1 for war and 1 for rogue eventually

[pulsar sedge]

I seem to see them always on the AH, but the # of auctions dont seem to move lol

Always 200+ auctions

Damn.. Alt army it is

[warm plinth]

you devil you

[vivid marsh]

i'll go sophic then, thank u for answer so quickly guys ❤️

[cinder nova]

I might be a clown, Nom what's your aspect ratio, resolution, and scale? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

i can't imagine playing wow without food buff craft

after trying it

[thin mulch]

is it optimal at all to macro shield block and ignore pain together?

[true hound]

Is crawth a lost cause witting at sub 3000 haste rating and 403 ilvl with 2set at +20, where most of my ilvl comes from 421 horn, lariat and 418 wep/shield. Healer undergeared too, and our dps putting out less than 60k st

[deep spruce]

ye

[cinder nova]

No.

[deep spruce]

no

[cinder nova]

Absolutely not.

[deep spruce]

ss

sorry

[true hound]

I just don't have enough rage reven for sb ip enough to keep myself afloat

[sterile stirrup]

is there a mouseover macro for heroic throw?

[true hound]

Rotating demo shout SW

[thin mulch]

are there any optimal combination macros that could be used?

[cinder nova]

IP and then SS macro.

That way you can SS without overcapping and not having to press two separate buttons.

[thin mulch]

cool

[cinder nova]

Otherwise, not really.

[thin mulch]

thank you

[broken crag]

is infurious helm better than allied wristguards?

[cinder nova]

My man why

The only burst macro I have is for pulls and it throw rav @cursor + ava + battle pot

Then I charge + taunt and start clowning

[tender quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QP28Fy4zcxb96RTM#fight=32&source=9&type=resources&spell=101

Should I not see here how much Rage Instigate gave us tanks?

If we run that talent?

Or do I see that somewhere else in the log

Oh right brainfart

[broken crag]

why squeaky bat? who looks at cpm lol

[tender quartz]

Is Bloodsurge worth it on Singletarget?

[cinder nova]

Because it's fun

[broken crag]

doesn't that just make your log incomparable if you want to improve?

[tender quartz]

I would have to go back and find a log where I used it on Terros if I ever did to compare

[cinder nova]

Remember? The point of playing this game?

Fun?

[broken crag]

do you really look at high cpm? lol

[cinder nova]

Nobody cares about bat CPM.

[broken crag]

what's the point then?

[cinder nova]

It's literally just a toy to goof off with.

Read above.

[cinder nova]

Because it's fun
Remember? The point of playing this game?
Fun?

[lusty tiger]

This has proved well for me so far

[heady jetty]

Hmm a quick helping hand for a WA, i seem to run into these full builds which ive got no interest in, would just like something to track SW and outside cooldowns like barkskin so on, anyone got a fat WA for that?

[broken crag]

macroing a toy is fun ok

[lusty tiger]

🤔

[cinder nova]

You must be fun at parties

[broken crag]

i've never heard of anyone looking at cpm

[lusty tiger]

A lot of specs have cpm bloat

[cinder nova]

[tender quartz]

Stupid question, our bleed ticks are affected by haste?

[lusty tiger]

But prot war has pretty true cpm

[tender quartz]

Cheers

[cinder nova]

It's exclusively just to clown around and have fun by jebaiting log combers and to make squeaky bat noises.

The complexity of the imperative ends there.

VDH has artificial inflation from souls.

[lusty tiger]

Even without it, cpm is undeniably important for the goal of playing your spec better

[broken crag]

who actually looks at logs for cpm?

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[broken crag]

real question

[oak echo]

outlaw rogue is hella inflated too

[cinder nova]

You'd be surprised.

[chrome falcon]

parsing 99 on primal council with no whestone, no boon and no grieftorch is halfway been feelsgoodman and feelsbadman

[modern brook]

Is cpm bloat the new term for " people hate sub 60 cpm classes"

[chrome falcon]

because i'm somewhat confident that was a r1 pull with good trinkets

[broken crag]

i guess i'm new to prot discord

[cinder nova]

Also, checking CPM when helping unfuck someone's dogwater play isn't unreasonable.

[lusty tiger]

Back to a dirty warrior again?

[cinder nova]

Especially if they're overspending or underusing spells.

[broken crag]

but like if cpm was important, bloating it with a toy just makes it useless

[lusty tiger]

No longer washed

[chrome falcon]

nothing makes me better than seeing i had 85 cpm on a 10 minute fight

i got them HOT HANDS baby

[lusty tiger]

Pure coom

[cinder nova]

You know you can read the CPM breakdown right?

And like.

Filter it out, right?

It's not that complicated.

[broken crag]

ya sure but why

[lusty tiger]

Cpm is important

[broken crag]

is this the meme of this channel

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-migraine-stressed-out-charlie-day-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-5048553

[lusty tiger]

Bat is a meme, cpm isn’t

[cinder nova]

My guy I cannot give you a better answer. It's just a fun, goofy joke.

[broken crag]

i get that, but you're just spending an extra step filtering out the toy

[modern brook]

The number of problems solved by "press more buttons" js very large on a spec with as much feed back as prot war

[chrome falcon]

looking at CPM breakdown in logs is actually all you need to do

[cinder nova]

You don't even need to filter it.

[chrome falcon]

literally

[cinder nova]

Just fucking do math lol

[chrome falcon]

you can determine almost everything that someone is doing wrong

from looking at CPMs

[lusty tiger]

Yea it says a lot

[broken crag]

we're talking about using a toy to inflate cpm

[cinder nova]

Holy fuck this guy

[broken crag]

not just cpm

[chrome falcon]

why are we talking about that

[lusty tiger]

Toy is a toy

[chrome falcon]

it doesn't matter

[lusty tiger]

For fun

[chrome falcon]

it's a dumb meme

[modern brook]

????

[broken crag]

ok

[modern brook]

Whi cares about the toy

[broken crag]

ya i get it, dumb meme

k

[chrome falcon]

i hate it when sense does it because it means i have to put more effort in to compare myself

but

we move

[lusty tiger]

Macro?

[cinder nova]

Sense did it just to clown, and it's a novel joke so people followed.

[modern brook]

Sense colloquially known as the guy nom mentioned

[broken crag]

got it

[cinder nova]

And now I just have it built-in on almost every spell macro

[rancid wolf]

uhhh, dilemma i can't solve - i'm 2/4, take hc set chest from vault and replace 395 dathea cage, or upgrade my lfr set hands to hc hands or upgrade icon from lfr to normal :x

[broken crag]

anyways, is infurious helm better than vers bracers?

[lusty tiger]

Bat

[broken crag]

i see more helms showing up in logs

[modern brook]

Teir value is lower this week cause catalyst soon tm, upgrading lfr hands for ilvl p big

[lusty tiger]

Is it haloween exclusive?

[modern brook]

Chest for 4pc Tuesday or hands for ilvl

Probably best to hold the box till after raid this week

And see if you luck into upgrades thay make your choice easier

[warm plinth]

Did i get ghost pinged

[cinder nova]

Reminder that logs are not entirely indicative of what is/isn't good. Lots of top logs have the trinket off Fenrir, but it's middling at best.

[modern brook]

Not by me

[cinder nova]

But helm is, like most embellishments, not really more than 1% or so.

Only difference is they have to be hitting you to make it work.

If you can afford to have embells that don't require tanking uptime, that's probably ideal.

[broken crag]

does that make it super good for m+?

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure they nerfed it to not be the powerhouse it was in beta. It used to top chart dungeon overalls then, but that was then.

[modern brook]

Isn't it ppm now or something?

[zinc spruce]

worth to switch?

[cinder nova]

Yes. You can catalyst it soon anyway.

[modern brook]

Agrid

[broken crag]

ty, i don't have a fire ring and i picked up a 421 belt from vault stupidly

[tender cove]

how can i see heling potions use for the raid

preferably across all fights

like you can see potions and healthstones?

on wcl?

[real charm]

Any spreadsheet link of all the reflectable spells?

[broken crag]

this is my gear, and i have one spark left. crafted wrists or ring would be the biggest ilvl upgrade

[cold pollen]

I got ly ass whooped on third boss of TJS

[broken crag]

i've been running with 1 embellishment

[tender cove]

pins or get weakaura

[winter loom]

Guys, is idol of trampling hooves or rubly life shell better? Same ilvl tho. I heard idol doesnt really proc desirably

[hollow grove]

ring for sure. platinum star band is crit/mastery if iirc and i think those are the two worst stats for prot arent't they? plus ilvl and socket on crafted ring

[crystal mauve]

How is puzzle working out for you? I find it clunky usually but I might use it at the best time. Can you block while solving the puzzle?

[broken crag]

i just got puzzle yesterday, prob not a good trinket but my vault was bad

also i os fury

platinum star is high crit, which is ok

[kind rapids]

Do I swap Punish for Bolster for Crawth?

[broken crag]

but yeah, not a great ring

[crystal mauve]

What’s the reasoning? I like punish better but I might be wrong tho

[kind rapids]

Just wondering

Didnt tank it on high tyran yet

[broken crag]

you can get both right?

if you want to be as tanky as possible

[crystal mauve]

Yes, they are different points

[warm plinth]

Can't block the tank buster so you're basically trading DR (which will work on the bleed) for using last stand a little bit more often.

[kind rapids]

Or is the shield wall double charge better?

[crystal mauve]

Probably not, you will run out of charges and be sad

[broken crag]

i would never get double shield wall, dunno if that is correct though

[mighty valley]

double shield wall can be smart if you're not a dwarf/don't have an evoker

[broken crag]

just get punish and bolster if you want to survive

[crystal mauve]

I like the DR from Puniwh better so it smooth the damage for the healer

[kind rapids]

Oh yeah

I can remove the bleed as dwarf

Nvm

XDD

[mighty valley]

bolster barely does anything for you against the bleed

[broken crag]

the extra block duration will help you take less damage outside of the bleed

[mighty valley]

you should be at 100% without bolster

[flint grove]

411 tier shoulders from raid 411 grieftorch in vault ez

[mighty valley]

the peck/bleed is the only scary thing against crawth

[warm plinth]

Yeah block uptime should not be a concern if you're playing proper talents

[mighty valley]

but bah gawd is it scary

[kind rapids]

Yeah I'm only scared of the bleed

[crystal mauve]

I don’t understand how double SW help there, doesn’t it make all other tank buster harder is you use both? What’s next? I guess you also have two use with The wall anyway due to the CdR?

[mighty valley]

just math it out based on the average fight duration

sometimes double shield wall ends up being more casts in the fight even if it's less casts across the dungeon

[crystal mauve]

SW is about 90s CD so if it’s longer you have two use out of it (plus the rage of The wall)

[mighty valley]

which is good when the burst is concentrated (TJS is the best example where only one phase of the 3rd boss is threatening / the pack before last boss)

[dull harness]

Hello guys, i have a question how should i prioritize what to choose form vault.
Ilvl or bis item with lower ilvl ?

[crystal mauve]

Unless the fight is really short and you need two back to back SW the wall will give you more overall usage but that’s only a TJS thing I guess and I usually like spell block better for this purpose

[broken crag]

just post the gear

[mighty valley]

yes that's exactly what i said, it's just an option that's on the table that people should think about

[tender cove]

I kinda know but i need to hear it. Roast me xD (dont, i might cry lol...)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KzhHRq1xCdGy2BtT

[crystal mauve]

It depend what you have, consider how likely it is for you to change the piece easily after too. Some super rare items might be a smaller upgrade but impossible to get an other time, it’s a complex question 🙂

[mighty valley]

Lotta overcapped rage

[tender cove]

my main issue is the burst tbh

[mighty valley]

Blocked hits could be higher

[tender cove]

i always overcap and I dont know how to get it all off with being gcd locked to ip or sb

[dull harness]

@crystal mauve

[mighty valley]

Anticipate burst rage income phases and pre-emptively dump with IP

[tender cove]

sometimes, i just pop it at 100 rage being superbad but that I know

[mighty valley]

Then continue to mash IP while your CDs are up

Your threshold for "I should be hitting IP to prevent overcap" should be way lower when you're about to throw out everything vs. when you're in maintenance rotation

[tender cove]

Can you look brood keeper? It was the only fight where (i was on adds) where it was just rough rough. I think it was the protodrake aoe going into the dot

but not sure

[broken crag]

the higher ilvl boots are better

[dull harness]

Could you explain why, so i can understand, thanks 🙂

[delicate blaze]

Hi guys so I have a question as an inexperienced tank. I have read some sites that say shield block 100% uptime. Some that say 60-70% is alright..... Is this over the entire dungeon? Like if I know I have no chance of dying because I'm on a pack of mobs I know we can dps easily, should I be constantly making sure I have block up and lose dps? An average run I get around 40% block uptime for entire dungeon. Am I doing it wrong? Its higher for bosses obvz but some packs I just go blasting

[tender cove]

Blocked hits, not uptime.

[toxic pewter]

you guys watchers loam or plainsrunner's fan

[mighty valley]

Shield Block also increases your shield slam damage, no reason to let it drop

[grave flower]

When you’re not in combat it’s ok to drop it

That’s a reason

[broken crag]

stonestep boots are low crit/high mastery and low ilvl

twenty two league striders have high crit/low vers, which is better stats, and high ilvl

[mighty valley]

Your casts seem pretty off for add tank, missing a lot of TCs

[warm plinth]

We generally don't gauge performance off of general uptime but if you're at 40% uptime on details, that's really really really bad.

[dull harness]

should i not consider the set piece, helmet with higher ilvl ?

[delicate blaze]

Thanks @mighty valley @tender cove @grave flower @warm plinth I will press it more 👍🏼😁

[last marten]

at 395 ilvl im having difficulty getting above 20k single target dps, any advice? from the guides iv read my rotation might not be optimal but not bad either.

[tender cove]

okok. I think i need to start recording myself again. Feels like I either overuse revenge or tc, can't seem to get them properly.
What is the correct usage? 2 target avatar TC is higher than revenge? and 3+ targets are always higher on TC or?

[warm plinth]

Do you have logs?

[mighty valley]

If damage taken is a concern, TC always takes priority for rage generation

[last marten]

sadly no, im not really familiar with logs, is it a addon or?

[broken crag]

i guess i didn't consider the raid slots since the were low ilvl, but i'd probably just for boots and pug normal or use the catalyst in a week

[tender cove]

I'm not even sure about the damage. Its like often, i either take no damage or "ohh shit damage", very rarely inbetween... and the adds were spawning before the others were dead and on one pull, i just died to something.
I think i got low from the aoe and then it applies a dot right? And those 10 seconds are the only heavy damage or?

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

[dull harness]

ok thanks you so much mate, ill think ill choose the boots

[tender cove]

It was also my first pulls/attempts today, so im bit clueless on whats going on in general xD

[mighty valley]

Looking at damage taken you're taking an insane amount of damage from Wildfire

Other than that the bigger dragon adds are the ones that do real damage, use CDs on their busters

Also if adds aren't dying in time for next pack, the adds team might just want another dps

Or you all need to tighten up and do more dmg

Your casts overall are a bit low though, could get 10+ more cpm if you get your rage gen, IP use, and priorities tightened up

And more rage gen = more ip = smoother dmg intake overall

[tender cove]

really? I mean, in last phase, nobody was really spreading or moving out so I just kinda stepped/charged over it but it wasn't something that was worrying. Only when a protodrake was up and the following pack. Rest was acceptable damage.

[tender cove]

ok

thats not acceptable xD

hide that shit NOW xD

[mighty valley]

Your cotank

[tender cove]

But mine is lower?

[mighty valley]

they're next to the boss the whole time

so your proportion is wild

i mean

it's likely not a huge thing but

if you can NOT step on fire instead of stepping in fire

that's generally better in world of warcraft lmao

[tender cove]

This is often a problem tbh and today i was just nervous as hell, i was benched for trial last raid so couldnt do any bosses and didnt wanna pug it.

[tender cove]

of cours, this is not up for discussion, i just honestly? i didnt notice it being an issue so I sorta didnt care but same time? I didnt intentionally stand in it. Shouldnt be that much, no excuses

and i still made excuses

lmao 😦

[mighty valley]

❤️

you've opened yourself up, that's all you can do

[tender cove]

Thanks bro. I appreicate the input and hearing it. Its what i needed

[mighty valley]

and yeah, it's good to admit "when i'm frazzled i'm not playing how i should" and figure out how to focus on specific areas to improve

rather than trying to do everything at once and continuing to freak out

freakadin out

[tender cove]

exactly and the lock bouncy, is having trouble with his trial after todays raid and we have been bullying him quite hard (just for fun, he knows them all, just havent raided with them before) and you could hear it today, he was kinda breaking down, so also wanted to show him, look, you think I play good because it appears that way but look when someone tears my logs apart, it will be the same, the difference is that i'm not standing out in the way you do.

but yeh, i didnt think i was THAT bad lmao

it hurt my ego a bit xD

[modern brook]

Gaming with an ego is a mistake

[crimson furnace]

..but gaming with a big D, now thats gaming!

[mighty valley]

we've seen some pretty catastrophic logs in here, you are not "THAT bad"

[crimson furnace]

ok, lets gooo!

[tender cove]

I wouldnt post logs openly if that was the case but everyone has pride in performing

or rather not performing xD

[tender cove]

❤️

[mighty valley]

for broodkeeper specifically, just knowing the route you're gonna take well so you don't also need to be constantly looking over your shoulder helps you focus

[tender cove]

I was calling a few times, with desperation in my voice "where are adds, where do they spawn WHERE WHERE" xD

[craggy pilot]

how would you guys do Dathea add phase without a DK? 🤔

[onyx abyss]

Disrupting shout

[fallow osprey]

Ya shout one half, run to other half, ez

[tender cove]

Doesnt shout hit all of them? Looked that way for me but not sure

[craggy pilot]

can shout hit all?

that would be sick tbh

[tender cove]

its 14 yard range?

[fallow osprey]

Maybe, sometimes I miss so I just biased one side and brought to the other

[tender cove]

i just stood in the middle and they all ran to us

[tender cove]

i posted my logs, i dont even know check but you can probably find out if it hit everyone or not

[fallow osprey]

I think there are more than 4

[tender cove]

then i was wrong/failed😛

[fallow osprey]

I’ve tried charging to the big mob and using it but sometimes it didn’t get all , idk

As long as I can group them it’s fine

[tender cove]

Maybe its just very edge case, visually it does feel like 14y should cover it

[modern brook]

Other people could be kicking stuff too so it wouldn't count it in logs

[tender cove]

true, i think i waited 2-3 globals to position myself. It was my first kill so really, i'm not the guy to ask what works or not. I just wanted to be helpful after my logs xD

[modern brook]

Point stands

Without dk

U kick em

Ans stack em in the Ines aren't kicked

[tender cove]

sir yes sir! 😛

[crimson snow]

Anyone know if there a debuff spell ID I can use to track if battle scarred veteran procs?

[radiant locust]

There is an aura think

I use this one https://wago.io/wEW4TdA6u

Even if not using that talent that much, but was trying it for some days

[tender cove]

386394, stolen from noms wa package

[chrome falcon]

how much crit you guys running atm

[tender cove]

20.5% and 29% haste

[chrome falcon]

i just realised i have fucking 32%

only 25% haste

[tender cove]

but do you have 27% mastery!?!?!

sadge 😦

[chrome falcon]

25 again

[crimson snow]

thank you @tender cove

[tender cove]

yw

[sick sentinel]

still never tried BSV yet

[tender cove]

isnt it still bugged? proccing from unmitigated damage?

[dire matrix]

yes

[sick sentinel]

odyn stomp hurts i learned today

450k + dmg

[dire matrix]

the aoe circle?

im confused

[sick sentinel]

yup

i blew my leaper

[dire matrix]

it was 1million last time i tanked it

[tender cove]

backup is to charge the add

[sick sentinel]

so i said fuck it, i'll try to SW it

nope

[tender cove]

How do i check logs to prove that I'm not troll taunting and simply ripping aggro from the other tank?

[sick sentinel]

Logs

[tender cove]

Is it even possible?

[sick sentinel]

do you know how to log?

[tender cove]

yes, that obvious in my question lol "how do i check logs" xD

[warm plinth]

Find out where you're peeling in the fight, see if you have a taunt cast event at that time

[noble lynx]

just link dmg meter

[tender cove]

Its every single time on pull but also happens randomly in fight

[noble lynx]

usually it happens when youre doing 2x the dmg of the other tank

like if its not obvious from there, you will not convince ppl anyways

[tender cove]

thats pretty much it. In general, he seems todo like 15k and ill do 25-30k

[barren socket]

is there a way to combine the all totem of the master damage on details?

[warm plinth]

Is he just not taunting on pull?

[tender cove]

It just that I complained he's randomly taunting and now I find out, he's saying Im trolling him with taunts xD

[steel mauve]

there is a threat tab in logs, see when you snap threat and zoom to that few seconds and go to casts and see what you casted during that timeframe

[warm plinth]

Probably but not in any way that would be easy to do

[tender cove]

i ripped aggro a good 2-3 times off him from pulls, its not once during burst, he'll taunt/pull, ill rip, he'll taunt it back, ill rip

[warm plinth]

That's not good

[weak snow]

why is no one using the ruby life pools trinket? not the whelp the other one i mean, because it is haste based not strengh? or does it not drop 😄

[noble lynx]

everytime in pugs i rip threat, both on warrior and dh

idk how ppl just

dont press buttons

[warm plinth]

Combination of it probably not dropping and there being better options (not that it's a bad trinket)

[mighty valley]

i'm always first tank over my bdk cotank, my burst is just high

[tender cove]

because its a cursed key and nobody wants to farm it xD

[mighty valley]

but then if they do first taunt swap, they get all my threat, so it's stable from there

[steel mauve]

i was with a group of alts pugging normal and the DH tank was only a few ilvls under me, but doing like single digit dps

[tender cove]

the other tank (before raid started, was 10 ilvls higher)

[weak snow]

but it sounds crazy good or not? so if i decide to farm it its a decent time invest right? 😄

[noble lynx]

dh can do some sick dmg

[steel mauve]

i keep finding that its sort of a lack of button presses

[noble lynx]

in lust

i swear ppl dont press buttons

[steel mauve]

ya i kinda figured, he was avging 9k-11k per fight, and im in there pulling like 30k

[tender cove]

hoof or whelp?

[noble lynx]

:kekl

i did 40k-ish on terros

as veng

other guy was like 15-17k

[steel mauve]

in their defense i was sort of just getting more practice on bosses since i knew it was gonna be a rough run when i was their highest dps, until they got a lock that smoked me lol

[noble lynx]

ye tank first dps is

not good usualy

unless its mop private server

[mighty valley]

10k is still like... you're just pressing half the buttons you should

[steel mauve]

it was rough lol

[warm plinth]

I do more than double that on ST and I'm like

376 ilevel

[mighty valley]

i swear you'd get to 20k just absolutely mashing random rotational buttons

[steel mauve]

oh ya, hitting any thing that does dmg, even if its a shit order, is better than just slothing it, you could probably easily do 20k just face rolling

[tender cove]

i think people choke up and just freeze in some situations, i know our lock does looking at logs. His last infernal, for 50 seconds, had like 10 presses or smt

[weak snow]

hoof

[mighty valley]

yeah especially if they have to move or react to a mechanic

brain overwhelm

[glacial ivy]

hey guys

does blizzard io transfer when i transfer my charachter from 1 account to another?

[tender cove]

its a solid trinket, i use it myself but there's better. So not sure how good your time investment will be.

[glacial ivy]

or just io?

[steel mauve]

just relooked at the log, the DH was 382 ilvl and pulled 10.6k on eranog

[glacial ivy]

character*

[tender cove]

you have to transfer data on rio

i did it 2 days ago, everything followed

[glacial ivy]

But mine in game io?

im talking about transfering to diffrent acccount

[warm plinth]

You transferred between accounts?

[tender cove]

no, same account, sorry. Havent used my other acounts since mop

[tender cove]

if you want to farm a trinket and your bis ring? go farm cos.

[dire juniper]

Hey everyone. Can you spell block to reduce damage from magic dots once they already have been applied?

[warm plinth]

Their support article doesn't mention anything about score. Might want to open a ticket and ask first to be safe.

[warm plinth]

DoTs cannot be blocked.

[dire juniper]

Thank you

[glacial ivy]

cool thx

[tender cove]

but the DR from SR still works right? or no?

[warm plinth]

Yes

SR works on anything that's magic damage (for the DR portion).

[tender cove]

noice 😄

[weak snow]

got the ring already -.-

[tender cove]

what trinkets do you currently have?

[opal steeple]

Hi, pply the 100th time people asking this: is Brutal Vitality only better than Fueled by Violence when you have 4 pcs?

[warm plinth]

No it's better regardless if you're doing any relevant content

[opal steeple]

Okok, even in a damage first comp?

[warm plinth]

Damage first comp? What does that mean

[tender cove]

why would that matter?

[opal steeple]

Spend rage more on revenge than ignore pain

[rustic shadow]

When do you all use Battle Stance? Just OT situations? Do you use in M+ on less healing intensive fights?

[tender cove]

the other works on deep wounds?

[warm plinth]

You still end up using ignore pain a lot even if you're focused on damage

[warm plinth]

All the time. Defensive Stance is just for tankbusters

[rustic shadow]

Oh...

[opal steeple]

No, deep wounds won't stack, just that spending more rage on revenge will give me less uptime on ignore pain

[tender cove]

I meant that the healing is off deep wounds, which should be applied anyhow since you're keeping 2 set up and its already in the rotation. Spamming revenge more wont cause deep wounds to heal for more since it already has 100% uptime? or im missing something?

[urban portal]

hes saying that without 4 set he may not keep up IP 100% of the time

which means less BV healing

[tender cove]

ohh, yeh, that makes more sense.

[sick sentinel]

I mean even without 4 set it’s pretty easy to keep ip up all the time, have to mash it to not over cap rage in most situations. Only time it drops is in higher keys where you’re being trucked.

[opal steeple]

Yeah, feels to me that FbV is more reliable constant healing, but I'm not having the most optimal rotation anyway

[slim dove]

fbv is very weak, practically useless

[tender cove]

Looking at my broodkeeper kill. My deepwounds did dmg for 766k. 85% of that is 651k. My IP healed for 1.84 million, remove 15% and thats 1.56million. dont think it compares.

[opal steeple]

How much of that 1.84m IP is from extra BV healing? That's the mystery I always want to get from Details data

[tender cove]

i edited my response, 15% added to ip would still mean 1.56 million

[opal steeple]

Hmmm, let me think about the math here...15% of your DMG goes to IP, that doesn't mean 15% of IP comes from DMG does it?

[urban portal]

yep

its some other way

[tender cove]

Doesn't it become the same thing? Because if i try to calculate it off damage, the numbers dont match up.
I think this is a question for mr math wizard.

[urban portal]

its more like 13%

but who cares

13 is the same as 15

[tender cove]

its still leech?

its a question, im just as curious as mmvind

[urban portal]

its essentially leech

obviously there are times where you over cap

etc etc

theres really no "best way"

[sick sentinel]

i got 13 vaults, don't cry for me, i'm already dead

[opal steeple]

13% of 1.84m is measly 240k

[urban portal]

you have to dig pretty deep into wow analyzer to figure it out

[sick sentinel]

there is no chance that key is completing in time

[opal steeple]

One way to compare is to use the tank dummy, do the same rotation with or without BV, see the IP healing difference

[tender cove]

but thats even more true for deep wounds? as its healing rather than absorb? and we have to cap IP for that to come into effect?

[urban portal]

i would assume IP is 15% leech and call it a day

honestly

because thats what it is in high content

[tender cove]

but how do you compare it then?

[urban portal]

you could also solve for breakeven

85% of DW vs 15% of total damage

[opal steeple]

Yeah, then multiple the IP uptime %, this is the statistically correct

[tender cove]

I tried that but that made my total IP 2 million and the actual IP was only 1.84?
I'm so confused rn xD

[urban portal]

its the best you got

well of course

IP overcapping

[tender cove]

ohh, okok, now i get it

[urban portal]

or expired

and with that number we can assume that 8% of IP gets wasted

[opal steeple]

Statistically if your IP caps, your FbV has the equal chance to overheal

[urban portal]

for sure

[mighty valley]

fbv is in many ways worse for that since your IP can buffer above max health during brief downtimes

[urban portal]

ye

[mighty valley]

anyway too much ink has been spilled about fbv vs. bv

[tender cove]

^^

[turbid shuttle]

The way I would solve this is: BrV is effectively 15% leech on all damage. FbV is 85% leech on only Deep Wounds damage. Since 85=15x5.66, if Deep Wounds is less than 1/5.66 of your damage, BrV is better. This assumes 4set, so that BrV is always working. If you don't have 4 set, BrV gives 0 value when IP isn't already up, so you'd have to do something like multiply by IP uptime.

[mighty valley]

i think they should make fewer pure math choice nodes like this

[tropic gorge]

evenin guys, sorry for the probably asked a billion times question: besides main stat what are some gem options i should look at for a lariat?

[junior spade]

What would be a good alt for prot warrior? I'm thinking veng or prot pally

[tender cove]

haste/crit or haste/vers

[mighty valley]

you want the ones that give the haste proc

air i think? idk

[south marlin]

What embelishment should i get for my crafted sword?

[mighty valley]

idk, what are you looking for, most people want a different role

[tender cove]

I love to play pally tbh

[junior spade]

Tank sorry

[mighty valley]

fangs or nothing

[tender cove]

very close to warrior

[tropic gorge]

ty sir

[reef holly]

Bros- how’s everyone’s keys going?

[turbid shuttle]

My tank alt is VDH and I like it quite a bit. There are some things veng feels stronger for, and some (most) things that prot feels stronger for.

[junior spade]

Only interested in doing mplus right now

[tender cove]

havent done one yet, thinking off just trolling others this week

[mighty valley]

explosives hasn't been as bad as i've expected

except the scorchlings in RLP spawn them, so look behind you to make sure no one's pulled one randomly

[junior spade]

Thought about dk but isn't my playstyle anymore I like mobility

[reef holly]

It’s worse for me compared to last week…

[tender cove]

I just hate sanguine with a passion, that and raid today is why

[mighty valley]

sanguine is aight if you have trusted group members with displacements

and plan around for the few mobs that refuse to move

otherwise, v frustrating

[reef holly]

Yea love those arrow shooters in nokud that just chill

[pallid quiver]

Explosive week is always my least favorite week every time. I just straight don't have fun dealing with explosives, even if I think mechanically or anything it's far from the worst affix to have ever existed

my big question is whether i'm gonna chill the entire week or at least get 4 keys done for two vault slots

[tender cove]

I can't really chill this week, im expected to tank with the guild and they also track vault score and how many runs done xD

[slim dove]

WHY DOES YOUR CASUAL MYTHIC GUILD TRACK YOUR VAULT

?!?!?!

[weak snow]

you shouldnt, in pugs i ask healer before i start if he can handle explosives alone, if he cant, get another healer 😉

[tender cove]

Because they dont consider themselves a casual mythic guild?

[reef holly]

Holy sh*t- you have quarterly reviews as well?!

[slim dove]

they raid once a week

dude

[tender cove]

and thats why they expect gearing to happen outside raid for the most part?

[slim dove]

[reef holly]

👍

[slim dove]

miss me with that garbage

[tender cove]

I passed my trial today so its bit more chill i suppose but I dunno. What can i really say or tell them? xD

[weak snow]

there is legit NOTHING to heal this week, why wouldnt they do explosives?

[toxic marlin]

are the routes on wowhead a good baseline to start at for m+

or there a better list out there

[pallid quiver]

I just don't even want to interact with the concept of the affix at all; it feels way too bad to play with and feels too artificial

i got other games to play, so zzzzzzzz

[pallid quiver]

Legitimately, most dungeons are "Hold W and press buttons" in terms of routes

[slim dove]

hold w 🤷 routes are a joke this expac. Court is the only one you need to "learn" in a sense.

[weak snow]

just ignore them as tank outside of bosses? even if the blow up they do nothing to you 😄

[toxic marlin]

k

[tender cove]

I sorta feel the same and some advice about stuff is just wild and some other things are just wild. I'm not blind too it but I also haven't played since mop, i have no logs, i have no CE to show. I have nothing really. So its either I do this with their high visions and demand or try to apply for some 2-3 raiding guild that wont accept me unless they struggle for tanks, which means its already an unstable guild?

[slim dove]

hes been passed up for 4 set for weeks despite being expected to carry them in m+ as tank

[pallid quiver]

If you take roughly the shortest straight line to the end, you'll usually get enough count to clear. If you don't, grab some extra packs on the way

[tender cove]

They straight gave their officer healer 2 tier pieces today. It was me an like 3 others on the token.

[weak snow]

that is a "get the enemys health to zero before your own health drops to zero"-level of advice

[slim dove]

w8 did they give healer tier over dps?

[tender cove]

yes

[slim dove]

are you having trouble healing fights?

bro.

[tender cove]

a bit but its more the dps taking a lot of dmg.

[slim dove]

is loot council all officers and do they chill in discord with eachother all the time?

[craggy pilot]

6 weeks of normal + hc clearing, and still only 3 set 🤔 gotta love this loot system

[tender cove]

and the reason was (why they passed me over) "where not worried about you dying, we're worried for healing going into mythics"

[slim dove]

yeah ofc tank should never get tier over dps

or even healers.

prot 4set is very meh in raid anyways

[tender cove]

yeh, i even told them 4set is garbo in raids

but it was also 20 ilvl upgrade for me on top of set

[craggy pilot]

I did LFR + hc + normal this week

And last

0 tier pieces

First 2 weeks i got 3 pieces

Now 4 weeks of nothing 😂

[tender cove]

rough 😦

[craggy pilot]

I always think the CC is so far away that every player will get 4 set before, and then i get omega fucked for 4 weeks straight and have to wait for CC 😂😂

[tender cove]

yes but i've become part of the click and me and one of the healing officers became buddies real fast, probably why my trial was passed when the other tanks wasnt

I did get complaints about being "too vocal" on discord during raids and "not having enough patience" when giving critique

but that was it

[zinc spruce]

why is there no hyjal

🤔

[craggy pilot]

Zzzz

Might quit before then idk

[tender cove]

honestly, im not too fussed about gear, not really why I raid anyhow and i mostly want 4set cuz I like doing m+ a lot.

[craggy pilot]

Not rly sure what I'm playing for anymore, got my 2500 r.io 🙃

Maybe just get alts to 2k r.io

I don't even know what the 2500 effect does

It is so poorly described

[slim dove]

its bugged, fixed next week

shoulder/helm effect.

[craggy pilot]

The next couple of m+ weeks are kinda shit tho

[tender cove]

i'm only 2200, have tons of untimed tyr keys though but I would keep pushing because I like playing for the challenge.

[craggy pilot]

So why bother

[tender cove]

shit i even do random heroics cuz I just like to zerg shit and feel op

[craggy pilot]

Heroic dungeons?

[tender cove]

yeh, sometimes I just queue up for a random heroic. I find it fun to play, genuinely

[craggy pilot]

I do for quests sometimes

[tender cove]

You'd have to be insane just to push m+ for score

holy shit, that would be dreadful

[craggy pilot]

But man i just wanna m+ without these shit affixes

[craggy pilot]

🤔🤔

[tender cove]

i would prefer them removing tyr and fortified and adding a 3rd affix tbh

[craggy pilot]

True

But also some of the affixes are so boring to play

Fucking sanguine is one of them

[tender cove]

I mean, if you dont play for fun and the score is the only goal? I think i couldnt do it. Has to be fun to run them too

[craggy pilot]

Ye i don't mind spite either, but man sanguine can go plz

And stuff like grievous bursting for healers

But idk what else should they put 🤔

[tender cove]

lol, i was legit just gonna write how raging is my pet peeve 😄

[craggy pilot]

What about the one where they buff each other when they die?

[tender cove]

but my hate? sanguine, for sure

[craggy pilot]

Bolstering

Fk that as well

Most of the affixes are just shit

[tender cove]

inb4 fort + bolstering + raging

[craggy pilot]

And +20 dung without affixes would still be fun

[tender cove]

😄

[slim dove]

sanguine gone but Legion unnerfed necrotic is back

[craggy pilot]

If they just made sanguine not heal the mobs

It would be fine

[slim dove]

ited be a nothing affix then

[hasty echo]

hey guys, how do I sim crafted gear with embellishment? is there somewhere the string of the molten shield with armor spike 418?

[tender cove]

im rerolling back to pally then.

[craggy pilot]

Like you still have to move mobs out of the pools

[tender cove]

what would the punishment be for not doing that then?

immune mobs maybe?

[craggy pilot]

Melee can't dps

[tender cove]

i'd take that tbh, change sang to create an immune bubble but no heals

[craggy pilot]

Just make the mobs periodically spawn poison pools on the floor

Some of the D3 affixes could be used tbh

[slim dove]

idk just play with a monk that isn't 5 iq

orange class + monk = sanguine does nothing

[craggy pilot]

Oh well time for bedge

[tender cove]

sweet dreams

[craggy pilot]

Might as well sleep until CC comes 😂

[orchid plaza]

Do you tank passively on battle stance and use defensive stance like a defensive?

[slim dove]

yes

[orchid plaza]

kk

also, sorry for the double question, which resource is best for learning openers? I have read three different sources which have three completely different openers

[tender cove]

I tried this macro today after it was posted here:
#showtooltip Shield Charge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Charge; [@mouseover,help,nodead] [help] Intervene; Charge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Shield Charge

But it still casts SC over charge at times? Shouldn't that be impossible?

Felt like it was happening when I was within the 10 yards range but that shouldnt matter right?

[mighty valley]

if it can't cast charge due to min range it'll cast sc, yeah

[tender cove]

okok, maybe i was just bit closer than 8 yards but didnt feel like it.
Felt really solid and free'd up a button but it just kept doing it so changed back.
Ill try again i guess

[errant lark]

is there a weak-aura or add-on that shows an icon on which mobs are stunnable or not? i find myself stormbolting things sometime to no effect

[proud dock]

does Bitter Immunity remove the serprent kick debuff?

[pulsar sedge]

Nope.

[warm plinth]

If that's happening a lot, it's probably getting DRed. Generally, as long as a mob is level 70 or lower, it should be stunnable.

[reef holly]

I’ve been trying to use storm bolt as a kick- sometimes it works, sometimes not

[sick sentinel]

do enough keys youll remember them

if theres a wa that tracks the mob being stunnable it'll have to also track dr

which is prob gonna plague your nameplate

[warm plinth]

You can't interrupt a mob with a stun. If you stopped a cast with storm bolt, the mob got stunned. It's not stupid; it's diminishing returns which have been around as long as the game has.

[wanton shale]

do yall use /stopcasting with stormbolt? Sometimes I barely miss a stop I think because another ability was already queued. Not sure if this command still even works

[lusty narwhal]

@strong forum you around?

[warm plinth]

No. Storm bolt does have some travel time though if the mob isn't right in your face

[wanton shale]

ahh that must be it forgot about that

[modern brook]

its like 4 am for him lmao

[sick sentinel]

travel time on storm bolt is near negligible

travels like a cartoon bullet sorta

[quiet monolith]

preferred phial?

[modern brook]

I just use tepid

[wooden widget]

does rage that ticks away count as spent?

[mighty valley]

between combat? no

[wooden widget]

and should i be under a certain rage before outbursting a SS?

kk ty

[mighty valley]

outburst ss is 40 rage

[wooden widget]

tyty

[mighty valley]

so below 60

and typically you'll want to piano tap IP with it

[wooden widget]

i have a macro for SS and IP

well

IP and ss

but yeah ty thats what i was wondering it seems like i overcap a lot on those outbursts

[mighty valley]

that macro is fine and useful but it shouldn't be like... conscious really

it's just to catch ss resets you might not otherwise react to

[wanton shale]

noob question, but is the main dmg increase by getting higher ilvl shield from Tough as Nails blocking trash packs?

[wooden widget]

^^ i might be using it too much but things are going smoothly so far

[mighty valley]

no, tough as nails is flat damage from AP afaik

[wooden widget]

ill probably send a log tomorrow

[mighty valley]

shield upgrades are for the defensive value, it's just the biggest defensive value on our gear

[wooden widget]

is there a good reason to use Spell Block in AA?

[mighty valley]

azureblade kinda fucked

[dire matrix]

for vexamus

thats about it

[mighty valley]

oh

right

not AV, AA

yeah i wouldn't in aa

[dire matrix]

av has many reasons

not sure if i want it just for hyrja rn

[wooden widget]

ty

[dire matrix]

bitch kinda slaps

[crimson snow]

which dungeons is spell block must have? AV TOJS?

[dire matrix]

rlp

[crimson snow]

NO?

[mighty valley]

i haven't wanted it in NO

[dire matrix]

shouldnt really need

you can if ur healers struggling

[mighty valley]

the scary casts are only on trash and those can generally be stunned

[crimson snow]

SBG prob right?

[mighty valley]

i barely even think about sbg

[dire matrix]

its good for the slashes

[pallid quiver]

Most of SBG's damage is controllable/stunnable/etc

[cinder storm]

You can backstep slashes tho

[dire matrix]

or stun

but its way more braindead to block

and stand still

[cinder storm]

Only reason to take spellblock is if you are going to lust second pack on fort week and pull pat pack under, they can cast slashes before snapping

[sick sentinel]

what shall i upgrade to 418 first weapon or lariat ?

[cinder storm]

Weapon

[dire matrix]

how do u snap them btw

[crimson snow]

Why wouldnt Lariat be the choice? Out of curiosity I assumed since it has more stats plus gems it would be first to upgrade?

[dire matrix]

and pull them

[cinder storm]

You get close to the ledge, there's an indentation, wait til they walk by so that you can taunt or throw

[dire matrix]

interesting

pulls alrdy a bit chaotic with the spawn

[ember cradle]

best two trinkets out of 402 battle scarred scale, 395 static-charged scale, and 376 decoration of flame?

[dire matrix]

you dont rly need to go crazy with the current timer

[cinder storm]

You are not supposed to pull with the spawn

[dire matrix]

u can shroud 1st pack

[cinder storm]

Yeah

[lucid dew]

Do we know the stats yet on the tier off pieces ?

[cinder storm]

But you are right, time is very lenient as it is there

[random vessel]

newbie question, i got 415 shoulders from raid but i already have 398 tier and i have 2 pc and thats all i got. is it worth dropping tier for that or just wait for next week and catalyst?

[cinder storm]

I'd keep the 2pc for now

Ilvl is usually better tho

[dire matrix]

think sbg u can spellblock on first boss also

if its high tyranical

[cinder storm]

Spell reflect is better, there's a timing where you can reflect her daggers

[random vessel]

ty

[cinder storm]

Which I often fail

[lone eagle]

Thoughts on M Kurog prog

to Bloodborne scum or to run Spell Block

The doc was unsure - can you spell block the Dominance aura?

[mossy tulip]

I need an opinion on which one would be better.

[wanton bridge]

If I'm only doing M+ what is the best way to train RWS, I assume AOE?

[tame coral]

What’s the strat for the first pull on AA this week cuz of explosive?

[wanton bridge]

I've been doing it in 2 pulls, but I main bear and moonfire explosives like a boss

[tame coral]

Still lusting or nah?

[icy bane]

Do patrol plus one pack + then 2 pack + other pat

I’m listing vexamus and crawth

So straight to vexamus -> overgrowth -> crawth

[wanton bridge]

this is what Ive been doing this week. last week I was pulling it all with lust lol

[tame coral]

Ah yeah that’s just what I was going to ask lol

[wanton bridge]

I lust boss on tyran, but maybe with nerfs its worth not I dont know - Ive only done it as high as a +20

[tender cove]

the bis ring. melandrus

[mighty valley]

the auto attack ring, they're the same ilvl but one has a bonus, what else is there to consider

[tender cove]

it is bis right? Or did i just read it here and kept assuming it is?

[mighty valley]

at max ilvl, it and diurna's chosen are bis, yeah

dunno at what ilvl melandrus ring overtakes cobalt assembly ring though

[tender cove]

About dirunas. Better for dps or tank? Im guessing it procs just the same but in theory, tanks would have more consistent uptime and dps on it because if we die, its usually a wipe anyhow?

[mighty valley]

oh i don't know, my guild just lets people roll on stuff that's good for them

i think loot councils are overdoing it for non-hall of fame guilds

[tender cove]

I was told today, using "bis" in rccouncil when its infact not will instantly disqualify you from even voting on it for you.

[slim dove]

bigger ilvl bump for either.

really leather wearers should get prio

and DHs

helmet embellish is constant aoe fire dmg.

[weary saddle]

I have been going splat at Crawth. I simply run out of personal CDs. I think I will use a macro to yell for external CD from healer. I only pug, so dun have comms.

[tender cove]

or tell your healer before run that you cant cover number "x" of peck?

and that he should anticipate the dot?

[weary saddle]

after I shield wall->LS->Spellblock, the next shieldwall still on CD when the savage peck comes. so I need to yell at healer.

[tender cove]

demo shout?

[weary saddle]

the problem with commless pug, is the healer sometimes uses external CDs on me too early, that leads to overlaps unnecessarily

[orchid plaza]

when you are syncing offensive cooldowns, should ravager be casted before avatar or avatar then ravager?

[weary saddle]

ya good point. forget abt that one last nihgt

[tender cove]

if he does, hold your cooldown? I always tell the healer that I need help and that its on him.

[mighty valley]

throw ravager at pack, charge+avatar, continue priority

[tender cove]

i shamelessly use rallying too xD

[weary saddle]

yes

[orchid plaza]

@mighty valley but mid pull when ravager comes back up with avatar its ravager first right?

or mid boss fight

[mighty valley]

avatar's cd is variable due to AM and it's also not on gcd

so realistically you just press them as soon as they come up

[sterile bough]

dont think ucan spell block it tho

[orchid plaza]

kk and I should be saving thunderous roar for each avatar cast right?

[mighty valley]

if avatar is up again in like, a few seconds, sure, hold roar

otherwise just send

[orchid plaza]

kk

[mighty valley]

don't wait long on any of our cooldowns

[orchid plaza]

is shield charge casted off cooldown?

[mighty valley]

yes, unless you have a specific need for the stun/movement

[orchid plaza]

kk

[sterile bough]

its wroth to wait for ravager / roar up to 18sec

not more

[orchid plaza]

kk

and for shield charge vs charge, I am guessing you open with shield charge if its up at all times?

cause im trying to learn openers

[sterile bough]

I guess condsiering the fact that it gives u a lot of rage maby less even

[orchid plaza]

and a lot off diff sites say diff things

[mighty valley]

i open with charge to put it on cd and generate rage

[orchid plaza]

kk

[tender cove]

same for SC?

[sterile bough]

whats sc

[orchid plaza]

so an ideal opener is ravager into a charge then avatar + shout + roar ?

[tender cove]

shield charge

[orchid plaza]

then just go into basic rotation

[sick sentinel]

hall best dsungeon

[sterile bough]

nah that shit u send on cd

[mighty valley]

yes. in some realistic cases, you'll need to thunderclap before demo shout to lock down aggro if your dps is gonna pop off

[tender cove]

ive been doing it so wrong then. Its impressive how I come here every single day and still learn a few things, EVERY day xD

[sterile bough]

the thing is

maximalizing ur dmg on prot is usually by the way of sending eveyrhting off cd

[tender cove]

My brain is so used to stack stuff

[sterile bough]

trying to min max it wont really do much for u expect little %

but trying to get the best out of the donwtime of rage generators is what you should focus on imo

or rather how to get rid of that downtime

[sick sentinel]

its hardw to remember not to eat profession buff food, after now having the crafted food buff item, meaning i keep my greater buff from party provided feast

[tender cove]

yeh, 18 seconds 3 times is a full cd. And i dont have a number on how long I wait but its for sure more than 18 sec on average.

[lone eagle]

What do you guys think

Spell Block for Kurog or Bloodborne x2 for parse scumming

Is it confirmed that it can block Dominance ticks?

[sick sentinel]

since, if it works the way i remember, you get main stat str from feasts so its instantly way better than haste foods

[tender cove]

what do you mean?

[sterile bough]

say u are hitting dummy on ST

[tender cove]

what would you sacrifice for the 2 points?

[sterile bough]

if u are doing only shield slam, thunder clap ,revenge

u are losing rage

and there are things that help u generate more rage like ravager, avatar, shield charge

[lone eagle]

Top parses atm are saccing Tough as Nails/Spell Block and Impenetrable Wall for 2x Bloodborne on M Kurog

[sterile bough]

also using defensives so u dont lose rage

[mighty valley]

i'd probably go spell block for prog to reduce random wipes then go full parsemode when everyone's playing the fight clean

[sterile bough]

this is the thing I love about prot compared to brew

[lone eagle]

IW is nice but you basically want 1 real wall towards the end of the add being alive

[tender cove]

that makes sense, would prob also help me a bit with overcapping not stacking everything at once every time

[sterile bough]

u can plan a lot into future

[lone eagle]

Biggest optimization I've been trying to clean up on prot is Violent Outburst

[sick sentinel]

that be some yogi speak

plan alot into the future

[lone eagle]

Its very easy to ragestarve yourself into an early Violent Outburst with no SS up

[sterile bough]

bruh whats ss

[tender cove]

shield slam

but dont you want outburst on SS+

why wouldnt it be up?

[sterile bough]

well its usually down

[lone eagle]

You do, but the point is that if you are rage dumping sometimes you are sitting on a Violent Outburst with SS on CD

[tender cove]

I was told to revenge until it procs

[lone eagle]

When the optimal play is to play towards the middle of your rage bar

[tender cove]

unless rage starved then send on tc

[sterile bough]

u kinda do

[lone eagle]

You should, but the rage starved send on TC is a mistake

Its what you have to do if you put yourself in that situation

But from an optimization standpoint, ideally you minimize the # of times you put yourself in that situation

[sick sentinel]

well, the primary purposes to hit SS is to get rage, and deal damage

so, its your number one priority when you don't have rage is to hit SS

[lone eagle]

Rage starved send on TC is less of a mistake during Avatar

but its still not a desirable outcome

[sterile bough]

on aoe u kinda want to send it on tc

[lone eagle]

For sure, but I'm talking low target optimization in raid

or on bosses

[sterile bough]

ye

sometimes thers is jsut time I wait auto attacking for 5 sec

casue my 2 revanges didnt reset ss

[lone eagle]

Because you don't want to send it on TC

and you are sad praying for auto reset

[tender cove]

this surely cant be right either though? 5 seconds doing nothing?

[lone eagle]

Basically you don't put yourself in that situation

99% of the time that you put yourself in that situation, its a case of overspending rage

[sick sentinel]

in my eyes if i can succesfully cast SS on repeat over and over again, i've already won the game probably

[lone eagle]

But if you get crazy unlucky on Revenge resets

it can sometimes happen

[sterile bough]

well say u use SS thunderclap revenge u are on violent outburst stack, SS ididnt reset, u revenge again and again no reset, and then u are just left rageless praying for auto reset

[lucid dew]

Does anyone know if you get the first craft bonus from doing a recraft

[tender cove]

Does this happen a lot? I only have feely craft but i cant remember last time I was not getting procs pretty much back to back and 2-3 in a row, consistently?

[sick sentinel]

i have never checked but there is a good chance its 50/50 on TC / SS sends for seeing red

[tender cove]

you should work on that.

[sick sentinel]

im aware that its a thing

i know how it works

but i just don't care for some reason

[tender cove]

you dont have to but we're discussing optimal play.

[flint kelp]

"should". not sure tho as i havent tried it myself so dont quote me on that

[sick sentinel]

2 more 11's and i can do a second 405

[frozen silo]

Is there a list of ability abbreviations? Tryna figure out what the pins suggest for crawth

[sterile bough]

u dont like seeing 160k crits?

[pallid quiver]

Uh, don't think there's a list, but I can check the pins and list the common ones

[sick sentinel]

some times i think they use so many abbreviations to make us look dumb

[pallid quiver]

SW - Shield Wall
SR - Spell Reflect
IV - Impending Victory
LS - Last Stand
DS - Demoralizing Shout

those, without looking, are the main defensives

[frozen silo]

Ahh gotcha

[pallid quiver]

IP - Ignore Pain

[frozen silo]

Yep thanks a ton!

[sick sentinel]

If you can't figure out what some ability is, take alook at your talents and MDT routes and such

[frozen silo]

I forgot about Last stand and demoralizing shout

[pallid quiver]

You don't want to use them all at once; you need to cycle and rotate as necessary to survive

LS is easy to forget because it's kinda bad and we usually send Demo on CD for DPS purposes, so it's not that surprising

[sick sentinel]

its hard to remember what an ITF is, but i know exactly what that is and how if function

it takes time and you have to give a shit and learn it is all

[sterile bough]

thats why this talent is dogshit

[pallid quiver]

If you can work your rotation around sending Shout on CD, that's the best, but more important than damage is just, like, not dying so you can keep pressing buttons

[sterile bough]

it makes u overcap rage

and u are pretty much losing defensive

[pallid quiver]

... what?

you just spend the rage on IP

if you overcap you've played wrong

[mighty valley]

you didn't even mention a talent

[sick sentinel]

its still a bad talent

[sterile bough]

thers only 1 talent that makes demo shout deal more dmg

[pallid quiver]

I'm assuming they mean, uh..... Demo Shout DPS cd talent

Booming, that's it

[tender cove]

booming voice

[sick sentinel]

same with OR and BT

bad talents

all of them

[mighty valley]

what

are you talking about

[sick sentinel]

barabaric training

overwhelming rage

bad, nobody takes them hardly for nothin

[mighty valley]

how are they in the same conversation as booming voice

[tender cove]

ive used this pretty much for entire season. Just last week i took off the training wheels but i still miss it xD

[sick sentinel]

unerving focus aint it?

[mighty valley]

unnerving voice isn't worth the point

was good as a conduit

[pallid quiver]

It'd be worth the point if we didn't have other neat things to contend with it

unfortunately, our tree kicks ass smh

[tender cove]

if you want disrupt shout, what do you sacrifice for it? SoF?

[sterile bough]

or rather its not bad talents itslef it just makes 99% of players using it in a way which acutally makes their life harder

[pallid quiver]

Usually SoF, since you still need to get to talents below that section, so

[sterile bough]

just its design is terrible

[sick sentinel]

beserker rage/shout piercing howl both throws curled up in ball crying from never picked

same with menace cuz too many points

[tender cove]

when was the last time you felt you needed berserker rage or piercing?

[mighty valley]

extremely tiny uptime optimization for one boss in Nokhud hell yeah

[sick sentinel]

its going to be required when that gnoll dungeon is mythic +

start the clown music now, cuz its gunna be circus

[tender cove]

or you can just assign interupts?

[chrome grove]

Way too difficult

Just run a talent and

[tender cove]

fine, ill survive and my team pulls extra and kills me anyhow xD

[chrome grove]

Thats where you run the aoe berserker rage

[tender cove]

ohh, big brain right there

[sick sentinel]

look, i just, trust t hat my team isn't actively attempt to fuck me and by extension the rest of the team over

i don't get invovled whatsoever in what talents or gear they want to use

[tender cove]

and you trust them by not trusting they can interupt and support you?

[sick sentinel]

you know, im not sure

[oblique garnet]

As soon as they add a fear to m+ again

[tender cove]

We have a few now? Sha for example?

or few...but thats the one i thought off right the bat

[sick sentinel]

i just simply focus on doing what i can to try to keep the key running

[oblique garnet]

Thats a kickable fear that doesnt count

[languid light]

Yes, you do

[tender cove]

I know and im trying to remember what dungeons even had fears that couldn't be interupted or stunned in the past.

[oblique garnet]

And thats the only fear i think in all of the dungeons

In iron docks last expansion

First boss

[tender cove]

wasnt that from hitting his shield?

[acoustic edge]

if i mostly only do m+, should i be using the dungeon slice fight style on simc? or patchwerk still?

[flint kelp]

it was

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but if you didnt have insta purge it was nice

[tender cove]

wait, you could purge that? I legit think i went the entire season without one...lmao

[oblique garnet]

[tender cove]

how the hell do i stop talents builds from changing my keybinds and icons?

its driving me insane.

Like, if load a talent build that ive saved, change keybinds, move around keybinds etc. It will save it to that talent build and when I later change to say m+ build. It changes to whatever I had saved as that

why on earth would you design it like that????

no wonder my macros and shit doesn't work lol

i thought i just exited wow wrong or smt....

I cant be expected to maintain several different builds if I just happen to change one thing ???

then i change to generic m+ build

[astral crystal]

you can pick shared action bars

[pallid quiver]

There's an option somewhere to remove separate action bars for each talent build

[sick sentinel]

u can save buttons through out specs

[pallid quiver]

but i can't remember where

I'll see if I can find it real quick

[pallid quiver]

On Loadout settings, when clicking the option for it when selecting a loadout, you can click it

[tender cove]

ohh, i was in paint so didnt see.

[sick sentinel]

like if i use i cant recall which, but either the tough as nails or spell bloco puts SL wormhole on bars

[tender cove]

ohh, i see. I have one build with "used shared action bars" and others without it. Guessing they should all have "shared" ticked?

[sick sentinel]

and moves some shit around but essentially same buttons

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I believe that's how it works

i personally have a hotkey for "that thing i intentionally slot in for specific dungeons" so i have literally all of mine not shared and just suffer anytime I need to change consumables/on-use trinkets/etc

[tender cove]

you my hero of the week. Its been driving me insane but I couldnt figure it out until I played with builds rn and saw it happen.

omg, this solves so much weird headache ive had lol

[sick sentinel]

if i have something that important i only do it max 2 times a dungeon like invis potion what i do is put it on empty bound slot on right hand action bar near bottom and never hit

and when i do i mouse click it

same for skolvar

[tender cove]

I dont like changing things. I just have been messing around with SC/Charge macro and working in IS/Spell block and had to make 2 more keybinds.
And that ruined everything because suddendly I had 3 different setups and the macros doesnt copy over, so when I changed a line or w/e? It wouldnt be there and I just couldnt figure out what the fuck was wrong or why I had to add stuff all the time.

seriously was driving me insane.

[tropic star]

so DKs can just AMS kurogs frontal and not get the 35 second dot?

[mortal brook]

debuff still applied

[wooden widget]

Is it just rng how many enforcers you’re gonna have to kill in cos?

[true hound]

2. Can always use item in one of the places

And it's usually activated by role, usually healer, unlike the others that require class/prof

[tender cove]

I got yelled at yd for killing 2 when trap was up.

[digital frigate]

Next week I will be four set

[tender cove]

next week ill still be 2set

[digital frigate]

That is okay. Only one of us can be 4 set

Then let it be me

[tender cove]

but i need it more than you 😦

[tulip egret]

Struggled today on +20 temple on second boss. On second phase first jade strike IP + spell reflect, next cast IP + demo third cast shield wall, fourth cast I almost get one shot and it’s hard for the healer. Any tips ?

[tender cove]

look cd rotation in pins

[digital frigate]

^

Other wise make friends with a lock

[tulip egret]

What is LS? Good to know that it has a healing absorb after didn’t realize

[tender cove]

last stand

[tulip egret]

Oh right. Okay okay thanks all

[tropic star]

just did some pulls and reviewd logs. Debuff may be apopied but my DH cotank takes 0 dmg from it after initial hit

[tender cove]

its the healing absorb that gets you. Its not only on you, your healer needs to step up and anticipate it

[digital frigate]

Yes

Jade serpent strike.

[indigo gulch]

is all-totem of the master trinket good for m+?

[tender cove]

yes

[tulip egret]

Thanks all

[tropic star]

you take spell block jordo?

[frank saddle]

thoughts on kurog tank trinket?

[digital frigate]

Which one is that

[tender cove]

very strong

[tender cove]

all totem

[digital frigate]

Oooh

[frank saddle]

better than icon/decoration in keys?

[tender cove]

you're comparing a defensive to an offensive. All totem is one of the strongest trinkets for dps and m+

[indigo gulch]

what trinket is good for m+

currently using all-totem and whetstone