protection

[uneven mason]

Oh Ruby whelp thank the titans you're here, the healer needs assistance!!!!

Ruby Whelp: heals fido for 270,000

Healer dies

Am enjoying the st nuke though

Feels like it deletes lesser trash mobs

[reef holly]

So what dps classes is everyone inviting to their keys? RIO score aside

Pugs only

[neon elk]

Usualy go for bl/cr/enough kicks or CCs .

[young mango]

U can pick everyclass its Fine

I prefer melees tbh

[neon elk]

Not a specific combo , but if i have like rogue and hunter already, i try to snap a monk etc..

[reef holly]

Cr?

[neon elk]

Combat ress

[eager phoenix]

my best run last week was 19 AA with ret/feral/arms. class rly doesnt matter, its all the guy behind the wheel

[reef holly]

Thanks

[young mango]

So ww rogue dh shaman feral. But i Like boomies and locks aswell

[delicate brook]

I'm having a real hard time picking as a m+ main

[neon elk]

Lock/priest gets extra value in tjs

[delicate brook]

fml

it's between like 6 ilvl upgrade on shoulders or whelp

[reef holly]

Priest for mass dispel?

[neon elk]

Yea, and lock can dispel on last which makes it piss ez for healer .

[eager phoenix]

i go AV with fotm comp and get called inflated rio prot warr when i explicitly ask before we begin if the team feels confident to do 6x lashers, if we have the stops required etc. and it just falls apart

[spice radish]

prolly shoulder ilvl upgrade

[reef holly]

Yea that pull- lust is a must

[spice radish]

everything else is just not good

[solid yew]

Could ya all help me out? Diurna ring with belt combo or 421 COS ring? which one would you choose?

[lofty widget]

sim it, but probably diurna

[neon elk]

Do raid first

[spice radish]

cos ring is not even close to bis, so I would say diurna

[solid yew]

Thank you!

[blazing condor]

clear first

[eager phoenix]

upgrade 398 tier helmet to 418 tier helmet or pick 408 diurna and either replace 415 tjs ring with socket or 415 cos ring? @spice radish

[sweet summit]

how is cos ring not close to bis

[uneven mason]

Are the amounts incorrect in the sim for Ruby whelp? Has it doing only 60k over 5 min

[neon elk]

Isnt cos like one of bis rings?

[lofty widget]

cos+diurna is what you want im psure

[sweet summit]

assuming you used the training "codes" i linked it sims correct

[spice radish]

helm is a bigger upgrade

[delicate brook]

except that the trinket might be insane depending on what the big brain theorycrafters come up with

[spice radish]

the 2 rare rings are bis, and after that you have nokhud and crafted haste vers that are better than cos

[reef holly]

Any news on what currency will be for catalyst?

[jagged pier]

the shield one is less absorb than an IP

its aweful

[spice radish]

would never pick a 418 over a 421 item

[sweet summit]

"hidden" currency

[jovial steeple]

No currency

[neon elk]

How is nokhud/crafted ring better if it has same stat budged but no extra efect?

[spice radish]

simply because they have vers

[lofty widget]

crit=vers tho

[neon elk]

Och u are one of those people

[weary saddle]

what is the easiest skill to hit explosives?

[sweet summit]

auto attack

or shield slam

[spice radish]

i would say 25-30% haste>vers>mastery>crit

[neon elk]

Based on your feels ?

[spice radish]

crit=vers is some auto attack bs

based on my experience so far

in dungeons

[whole vortex]

feelycrafting

[jagged pier]

i mean u also said haste legs were bis and u would provide logs

but havent

🤷

[weary saddle]

does heroic throw one-shot explosives?

[neon elk]

Y

[jagged pier]

yes

[lofty widget]

i think bis stats is whatever the sims tell you tbh

[frozen rose]

Is pre potting still a thing or have they done away with that?

[whole vortex]

No longer a thing

[spice radish]

you cant sim surv

[lofty widget]

dmg sir

[neon elk]

Why would i chase stats for surv tho?

[lofty widget]

me surviving isnt an issue

[jagged pier]

u get enough survivability through the stats that give u damage

[young mango]

We Are Warriors we dont need extra survivabilty we got. all we need in our Kit

[whole vortex]

Survive with buttons, not with stats

[spice radish]

it depends on the content you do

[median tulip]

you do need to have some Vers; in my Sims if I either Vers or Mastery fall below about 1/3rd of the level of Haste the Sims starts to scream for more Mastery/Vers, for example

[spice radish]

the guy asked what is best to pick for dungeons, he is doing 20+ because he has 421 option in vault

in his case vers is the best stat he can have

[limpid anchor]

What why

[jagged pier]

i run 20s with 6% vers

[lofty widget]

i mean thats not true lol

[jagged pier]

completely fine

[spice radish]

i would have depleted so many keys if i was with crit instead of vers

[lofty widget]

i did a few 22s with 5 % vers

and 32 % crit

[spice radish]

that doesnt mean crit is equal or better

[limpid anchor]

But muh Vers

[neon elk]

Yea but those are basic stat weights , the less u have the more impact it has . Nothing to do with chasing specific stat

[limpid anchor]

Do you know what crit and what Vers does

[lofty widget]

crit is more dmg

[junior spade]

Is human not the race anymore?

[lofty widget]

so in my case its better, since im not dying

[spice radish]

crit mitigates damage you block, and vers mitigates both dmg you block and damage you dont

[neon elk]

How much vers u rining ? In %

[jagged pier]

but if u stop more blockable damage

[limpid anchor]

What about parry

[jagged pier]

your IP stops more magic damage

[inland raft]

Is heroic brood ring with belt better then crafted haste/vers? Not raiding this tier so just been pugging specific heroic bosses for stuff wanted

[median tulip]

Well the point I was trying to make was that if you chase one stat to the exclusion of others you actually lose out

[jagged pier]

more than vers will

[neon elk]

Yea true.

[spice radish]

when 1st boss on rlp 25 hits you with 350k per hit how is crit gonna save you?

[jagged pier]

hows vers gunna save you?

it wont your play and defensive use will

[lofty widget]

even with 20 % vers thats only 10 % dr

2 bolts will still kill you

[tender cove]

wait, did they finally make azure and ruby acceptable?

😮

[spice radish]

lowers that 350k to an amount healer can actually heal it

[limpid anchor]

Okay so 7% less dmg is like 25k. That’s not gonna save you

[uneven mason]

I love the vers meme

[spice radish]

i have 30% vers

[neon elk]

Thats 15% dr

[uneven mason]

It's amazing that it's persisted for 2 full expansions

[limpid anchor]

So 50k less

Still getting smacked for 300k

[spice radish]

ip for 150

[broken tusk]

300k is less than 350k m8

[spice radish]

its 150 in take

[median tulip]

If I want 15% DR I'll use DStance

[limpid anchor]

So you take like what, 30k less than me

But my parry is way higher

[spice radish]

you cant parry magic

[limpid anchor]

And my dmg as well

[inland raft]

Vers is good but why would you ever worry about crit vs vers?

[uneven mason]

Parry party go CRIT

[limpid anchor]

What about second boss in rlp?

[mortal blaze]

is this the channel to ask about the worth of 4-set?

[tender cove]

big in m+, meh in raid

[uneven mason]

Yes, it's worth using

[spice radish]

useless in aoe, big in st

[neon elk]

Its basicly a 5% leech, dont go some super low ilvl just for sake of having 4pc. @mortal blaze

[toxic gyro]

Not atm. Crit gang is fighting vers gang

[mortal blaze]

Just got 421 gloves, and i only have normal tier on gloves, so would it be worth? its 2- overall ilvl

[tender cove]

How much can you fucking drill in an apartment? Its nonstop for 3 days, for about 28 hours total... Im going fucking insane soon...

[mortal blaze]

vers gang all the way

[neon elk]

Its more like rational gang vs one vers lover but yea xd

[mortal blaze]

crit gang is gambeling addicts

[jagged pier]

its not 5% leech

it enables

BrV

its huge in aoe situations

because u do so much damage and use revenge so often

[spice radish]

how is it huge in aoe situations when you have capped rage?

[jagged pier]

u are constantly adding and topping IP

[mortal blaze]

so frem deduction -> its probably worth lossing the 26 ivll on gloves in m+, but not in raid

[jagged pier]

yes

[frozen rose]

Am I the only one dealing with co-tanks where u rip threat Superbad? Like I go periods of encounters where i have to just stop attacking or I’ll jack up swap mechanics bad and wipe us

[jagged pier]

bad co tank

tell him to get better or find a new one

[frozen rose]

Ya that’s part of it I guess

[inland raft]

They should be pairing good damage with their taunt not just taunting which should give them a significant threat lead

[median tulip]

Happens to me a lot; my guild's other two tanks are a BDK and a Bear, and neither of them can generate threat like I do. I have to be the first tank, because... well, my threat gen is high enough that I am the first tank, no matter what

[jagged pier]

they are bad then

well maybe not the BDK they are just bad

but bear should be fine

[frozen rose]

@median tulip same I try to always take first so I can actually do damage for a period of time. I think it’s an ilvl issue and the other tanks just not thinking about doing damage

[median tulip]

They are both fine as the fight goes on, but if one of them opens to the fight, then I will rip hate

[solar willow]

Probably been asked today, does the multi heroic throw talent work on explosives?

[neon elk]

What ive noticed , at least from my HC puging , a lot of tanks run the most defensive setup they can ..

[solar willow]

As in if I throw one at one, will I also hit a nearby one as well?

[jagged pier]

they always have

and they always wrong

[jagged pier]

i doubt it as explosives dont work with aoe abilities

[solar willow]

Tank damage matters in HC for sho

[pulsar sedge]

Negative on the explosives with titan throw

[neon elk]

Yea like idk , i would somehow understand it if they were super low ilvl

[jagged pier]

u also probably dont want that anyway as it puts HT on 5 second cd

[solar willow]

Ye, I take it normally but for this week I'll drop it cos of the cd

[sweet summit]

psure u need to target it

and then it works

[spark cedar]

I am offered a 415 head to replace a 398 and a 418 whetstone vs my 395 (can upgrade to 411 with valor was holding for it). Gut feeling says to go for the head and ignore the extra 30-40k physical dmg i would get on whetstone. Is my thought process correct?

[solar willow]

Mouseover macro bro

[young mango]

I Go crit haste and i have no issues on high keys

[pulsar sedge]

Nah, i tried targeting it with titan throw, no go ;D

[uneven mason]

But you can't hit 3 with tt

Oh ew

Rip

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywGXiYUPpYw

[jagged pier]

i mean u cant get a whetstone that high

and helms are easier to get

[sweet summit]

[spark cedar]

this one rolled a socket too :S

[solar willow]

Willies, well, a talent point for summin else then =]

[slim dove]

the knockback

[jagged pier]

but u can just put a socket on one later

[spark cedar]

u can only socket belts n rings not helms

[weary saddle]

heroic throw is really good with explosives!

mouseover macro'ed heroic throw

[median tulip]

Do either Sidearm or Titanic Throw hit explosives and cleave to them?

[slim dove]

no

[weary saddle]

no

[slim dove]

nothing cleaves explosive.

[lofty widget]

except decoration of flame apparently

[solar willow]

👀

[slim dove]

yeah thats def a bug and gonna be fixed eventually

[jagged pier]

no u can socket all of these

[median tulip]

Oh Rly?

[jagged pier]

but its up to u helm is a bigger upgrade

[weary saddle]

i've found SS unreliable coz sometimes its CD, so i've found mouseover heroic throw to be lifesaver

[lofty widget]

someone showed logs of it hitting explosives earlier

[jagged pier]

but i also play a differnt game to u helms are easy for me to get

[solar willow]

Cheeky

[jagged pier]

so i would take whetstone

[median tulip]

Minimum range, tho

[jagged pier]

explosive is a healer job

[weary saddle]

yes still better than melee

[jagged pier]

not like they healing us anyway

[solar willow]

Hyuk

[median tulip]

lol

[weary saddle]

healers doing explosives was a SL thing right

[jagged pier]

no

its always been a thing

[median tulip]

The healers job is to keep the monkey-brained DPS alive

[jagged pier]

expect when we used to get victory rush procs form them

its been a healer job since legion anyway tbh

[solar willow]

Healers got instant no cd long range spells

In most cases

[weary saddle]

explosives used to be green with big fat hp that slowly reduced as u hit it. now its so different, they just die once u tap them

[solar willow]

HT has min range, frost shock doesnt

[young mango]

Outhealed and heal in a 20 aa we went 1:30 min over the Limit guess why

Playing heal in df makes u the hyper carry

[solar willow]

You had to get your delivery order from the door middle of final boss

[young mango]

We wiped on bird boss

He couldnt keep the dps alive

[spice radish]

healing requirement are insane this season especially now that ppl have limited gear

[strange chasm]

ty blizzard for gr8 vault 421 Dragon Games Equipment +1

[young mango]

Nothing to do with gear

Know the role and know the class

[strange chasm]

i was ha rd trolled this reset

shit trinket and 2 x 1h weapon 418

[strong forum]

A good healer makes such a huge difference

It's insane

[jagged pier]

says the man that doesnt play with a healer

[strong forum]

Imo the most important role in m+ rn to have a good player on

[young mango]

Like go watch some streams and tell me why zmuk can heal 23-24 keys and also do Like 30k dps overall

[spice radish]

having 320k max hp instead of 370k makes a huge diff when abilities deal more dmg that ur max hp

[young mango]

While heals in pugs cant heal rlp thunderdrake without ppl dying

[spice radish]

we did the thunderdrake on 25, it wasnt a healer's play btw

[young mango]

Just say healer are carries

[spice radish]

it was just cd management

[young mango]

The dot he applys to 2players is a healer issue

[spice radish]

no mate its not

it can be, if ppl dont press their buttons

but

let me enlighten you

[young mango]

Dude do u pug

[amber siren]

skill issue

[warm plinth]

This dude, lol. Can you be more condescending? You have some of the dumbest takes in this server and you're talking down to this guy

[uneven mason]

Hey prot paladin's count

[spice radish]

https://www.twitch.tv/casualaddict1/video/1709063096 go to 3:16:50

you will see how we played the drake on 25

almost any healer could this

[slim dove]

lEt mE eNlIgHtEn YoU

bruh

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[warm plinth]

That's not even good grass. Let me enlighten you

[spice radish]

just check the healing req

[vale bloom]

Are there any comparison between fang adornments and armor spikes?

[strong forum]

Both are roughly the same dps

Both are 400-600 dps

[vale bloom]

so it's rly minor

[strong forum]

All embellishments are

Yes

[jagged pier]

all embellishments are

[strong forum]

Except maybe once everybody has 5/5 tierslots

Then the chest becomes interesting for m+

As its a partywide 200 vers proc

[warm plinth]

You're interesting for M+

gottem

[strong forum]

So that gains alot of traction

Or well, comparatively

[vale bloom]

im not sure if im getting dps like spikes or fangs or 50% pot time 😄

[strong forum]

Pot is more immediate value

[reef holly]

Heh now you know how my keys have been going

[vale bloom]

yeah i guess this is true 🙂

[spice radish]

like nom said, pot embellishment can be better if you need a bigger sort of burst dmg in a specific moment rather than more damage overall

but the window has to be bigger than the normal pot duration to make it worth

[reef holly]

Yeah I’ve been kiting and heroic throw the melee ones I can’t get to

[vale bloom]

what would your advice? what are you playing?

[spice radish]

what is your main focus? what kind of content?

[vale bloom]

i think most of the time m+ but also casual mythic raiding

[quaint folio]

how are warriors handling explosive orbs? I'm trying to pick the ones off in range, but they usually end up in a shit distance that's too far for melee and too close for heroic throw. I miss moonfire

[warm plinth]

let the healer do it 😉

[jagged pier]

healer job

[reef holly]

Wasting shield slam on them for instant cast, kiting toward ranged orbs spamming heroic throw

[spice radish]

the best for both worlds would be belt+lariat, both of the rare rings are very strong and you should insta equip them once available to you. for m+ though there are a few situation the legs embellishment is better than lariat just because lariat is rng and less stat proc.

If you are not min maxing on very high end content belt+ lariat are probably the best you can craft

[daring marlin]

Lariat owns

[vale bloom]

ty! 😉

[spice radish]

I dont rly like it because its random procs and you cant rely on a proc as a tank

[inland raft]

Are the rings worth enough at hc level to use over 418-421 crafted/vault for thos eof us not raiding?

[spice radish]

418 diruna ring yes

you can get eranog 421 i believe

its just the 1st boss

there are plenty of groups out there doing 2/8m every week

and diurna hc is harder than mythic council anyway

so if you can do hc diurna means you can pug 2 mythic bosses

[strong forum]

Really

That boss only does group aoe

[spice radish]

ive struggled way more doing 8/8hc than 2/8m with my alts

[strong forum]

Rasza, sure

But then again

[modern brook]

The council fight is just very minimally changed mechanics wise

[strong forum]

Pugs fail on dathea like crazy...

[modern brook]

So any heroic Harold can get in there

[slim dove]

pugging hc dathea

[strong forum]

This entire raid has literally 0 mechanics

[modern brook]

Yes

[astral crystal]

only boss with mechanics is kurog

[strong forum]

And people still manage to fail on the 1 boss with personal responsibility

[modern brook]

Yes

[strong forum]

Always fascinatingly tilting

[slim dove]

ive seen BM hunters get pulled off on hc senn, nothing surprises me anymore.

[sturdy sable]

Dude your biggest enemy in wow will always be other players

[modern brook]

It wouldn't be raid tanking of 85% of your pulls was waiting for your dps to want to kill a boss

[strong forum]

Which is why I dislike raiding and pugging

[cinder nova]

I GOT YOU NOW NOM

CAN'T RUN FOREVER

[strong forum]

Ah yeah I'm at work

Try again in 3hrs

[cinder nova]

FUCK

[warm plinth]

👀

[modern brook]

Isn't it like 8pm for you or somwthing

[strong forum]

It's 3:46

[modern brook]

Or 20 as you call it

[warm plinth]

😂

[strong forum]

I voluntarily when to am/pm clock

Cuz we say 3:46 anyway

So might aswell keep the clock the same lmao

[warm plinth]

I grew up with both parents in the military so the 24-hour clock is ingrained in one of my 3 brain cells

[strong forum]

Well same, most of Europe is like that

But I switched it up when I was around 16

[warm plinth]

Yeah I just mean, in the US that's really the only people who use it - military peeps

[strong forum]

For the fun of it

[cinder nova]

I'm breathing extra heavy

[modern brook]

🇺🇸 🦅 🇺🇸

[daring marlin]

freedom time

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bBmBF.gif

[modern brook]

And absolute dorks

[reef holly]

Is everyone skipping the fire dragon in RLP?

[blazing condor]

if the american eagle is so good then how come its bald

[warm plinth]

yeah

fuck fire dragon

[shut hollow]

I think pretty much everyone is

[warm plinth]

Because if it had hair, it would just be too awesome

[modern brook]

To keep things fair

[warm plinth]

Can you imagine if bald eagles had mullets? The world wouldn't be able to handle it.

[reef holly]

So go left when you get upstairs, clear everything, and then wait for fire dragon to fly away, pull mobs to the stage?

[oak echo]

yeah. also found recently you can shroud around the tree he lands next to so you don't have to wait as long

[warm plinth]

You don't actually have to shroud. You can just hug the tree on the left and go right past

[oak echo]

oh even better then

[strong forum]

Everybody skips fire dargon

[modern brook]

P sure he sees stealth idt the shroud does anything

Gnash on his American keyboard

[strong forum]

You can just walk by him

[oak echo]

we were just scared but yeah good to know too lol

[strong forum]

And/or wait for him to patrol away

[modern brook]

How can I compete on this foreign phone

[warm plinth]

American keyboard wtf lol

Oh

[daring marlin]

Bullfango the rogue doesn't know

[reef holly]

Thanks all- will try this

[daring marlin]

big oof

[blazing condor]

i'll always want a scandinavian keyboard

[modern brook]

I think I've ran 3 rlps this season and one of them took 2hrs

[blazing condor]

too confusing to re learn where everything is

[warm plinth]

I'm American, I just assume everyone uses what I use. I'm like a toddler still being managed by my id.

[nimble glen]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/silver-hand/zillver

Usually w/e I play I copy top players builds, but they seem to be all over the place.

As far as items I know I want goes, im trying to get strike twice, melandrus ring, and erenog trinket. Other than that what items should i focus on?

Should I gem haste/vers?

[daring marlin]

Great dungeon. My favorite part is how they keep nerfing it.

[warm plinth]

kek

Cinderbolt casually nerfed by 50%

nbd

[modern brook]

Last boss is actually fucking dumb

Ans the upstairs trash is overloaded

[daring marlin]

Hella

[modern brook]

Everything else I'm fine with

[warm plinth]

Has anyone done the last boss since the hotfix? There were some mouthbreathers on reddit saying inferno core still happens after the dragon is dead

[modern brook]

Sounds like L reddit

[oak echo]

i take everything said on the wow subreddit with a fistful of salt

[warm plinth]

Yeah same; someone told me there were people saying that and I was like that doesn't even make sense

[strong forum]

Dont go to reddit

[warm plinth]

How can the dragon cast inferno core if he's dead

[oak echo]

most of them don't even play the game anymore and just live there to complain

you can stand in the fires from before he died

and get it

[lavish oracle]

Last boss still bad after infernocore nerf?

[strong forum]

If you ever say anything positive or factual about a class, you get piled on

[oak echo]

but if you're doing that you're actually just not situationally aware of anything

[warm plinth]

I wanna go on there and just post a PSA that prot warriors don't have to stack vers. Then just sit back and watch the apocalypse happen.

[blazing condor]

except if its "pwarr sucks and cant do any form of content" in sl

[strong forum]

Like, if you against the grain on reddit you have no chance to even begin a sensible argument on there

It's full on popularity contest on there

[slim dove]

if you ever suggest assigning kicks, stops, or actually taking personal responsibility to figure out how to live you get reported for suicidal intent

[strong forum]

Pmuch

Self improvement is illegal on there

It's always blizz or others faults

[blazing condor]

wow players are actually the biggest copers ive seen

in any game community

[warm plinth]

I don't frequent reddit fortunately. I heard this secondhand XD I go on there once in a while but not the WoW subreddits

[blazing condor]

not an ounce of self criticism

[warm plinth]

The compwow posts that get linked periodically are pretty amusing though

[strong forum]

I don't go to reddit either, but a buddy of mine does

[craggy pilot]

what the hell

getting kicked after 2nd boss normal and doing 2x the other tank dmg who cant hold aggro 😄

[strong forum]

And even when he backs up his claims, he just gets shot down cuz it's not the popular opinion

[daring marlin]

Remember people saying boomies were gonna be dumpster this expac?

[slim dove]

yeah pre the beta boomie nerfs sure

[edgy spear]

boomies are just perpetual doomers

[strong forum]

And naguura got deaththreats for saying the opposite

Btw

[edgy spear]

Nothing new.

[warm plinth]

Boomies are the biggest sandbagger community in the game, except maybe warlocks

[edgy spear]

if boomie isn't at least as good as SL s1 they're actual garbage and will never be brought according to boomies.

[nimble laurel]

Boomie tried to dot The Raging Tempest in a NO 22 yesterday as I charged in. Got the wind burst cast. No spell reflect for him.

[slim dove]

shoulda pressed shadowmeld

skill issue tbh

[nimble laurel]

scrub troll

[slim dove]

ew

[oak echo]

this but it's every ranged dps

[warm plinth]

That's amazing

[opal flame]

StOp WiTh TrYhArD ShIt

[warm plinth]

Only elitists assign kicks

[strong forum]

They were good in S1 cuz of trees and they helped with prideful

That's the funny part

[slim dove]

i wish they made KSM 2500 and KSH 3000

tbh

[edgy spear]

"HELLO TANK AGGRO HELLO"
guy who started dpsing two seconds before the tank charged in

[strong forum]

3k for KSH is too much

[slim dove]

2750?

[strong forum]

2750 is fine ye

That's all 20s done

[uneven mason]

Fucking trees

[strong forum]

~

[warm plinth]

They shouldn't even attach it to rating tbh. It should just be 15s/20s like it has been in the past

[edgy spear]

2750 is close to all 20s done i think so yea

[slim dove]

with 15-30% nerfs every 2 weeks

shits getting freer and freer

[warm plinth]

That way if they change dungeon count, no adjustment needed

[oak echo]

i mean putting it a certain key level is just as arbirtary as a rating

[edgy spear]

In a world where keys were close to equal in difficulty, sure. Now tho, lmao

[oak echo]

i suppose yeah

[whole vortex]

3k has to be like <0.5% of the player base

[strong forum]

Nah, that gives you the wiggle room of being able to do higher keys on others and lower keys on shit ones like AV

[slim dove]

thats fine to me, i mean r1 glad is less soooo

[warm plinth]

You still have that wiggle room though

[uneven mason]

Can someone nerf my work schedule by 15-30% so I can complete some keys

[nimble laurel]

I miss prideful

[strong forum]

Stop

[slim dove]

prideful ruined sl for me

[strong forum]

Same

[slim dove]

quit s1 never came back

[whole vortex]

I miss torghast powers

[strong forum]

S1 left such a sour taste for everybody

[uneven mason]

This

[warm plinth]

Wait, how does that even give you wiggle room though Nom, if you're required to do 20s of all dungeons on both sides for KSH and 15s of all dungeons on both sides for KSM?

[oak echo]

Hello officer. Yes that's him right there.

[opal flame]

locks are always op

[nimble laurel]

😄

[uneven mason]

288 days of running in circles in orobos

[warm plinth]

Whereas right now you can literally do 20s on the high side and 13s on the low side to get KSH

[strong forum]

No I mean, current system gives you wiggle room

If you lock it to 15/20 you don't have any

[warm plinth]

Oh so you're saying you want the wiggle room then

I mean, yeah that makes sense I guess, when you have SBG vs AV

[oak echo]

i would rather have it especially when they've shown how difficult it is for them to balance every dungeon

[slim dove]

i really wish for s1 we just got all 8 new dungeons

[warm plinth]

But making it so you actually need lower keys this time

is dumb

[slim dove]

even if halls and bracken wouldve been peak shit

[sick sentinel]

Swapping to Warrior from my guardian druid (F tier) - I've got 4 sparks coming not that I just hit 70. Is it Lariat, 1h, shield, helm?

[oak echo]

don't do helm

[warm plinth]

shield>weapon>belt if raid ring>who cares

[slim dove]

^

lariat is overhyped.

[sick sentinel]

k. I'll do shield>weapon first then.

[uneven mason]

The regrets is real

[warm plinth]

Note I mean just crafting shield/weapon, not necessarily embellishing them

[slim dove]

nah what i do regret is not taking eranog ring week 1

[modern brook]

Embellishing isnoverhyped

[cinder nova]

I maintain that belt isn't needed to make ring pop

It's just nice

[jagged pier]

imagine having the option

[uneven mason]

One of the rings requires fire damage

[oak echo]

they both do don't they

[modern brook]

Two of em

[slim dove]

i think i took kurog hc trinket

ive seen it drop every week since

[cinder nova]

I'm aware, we have lots of fire damage trinkets these days

[jagged pier]

well good for u

[deep spruce]

Yes on a 2min cd

[warm plinth]

Belt is just recommended because it's the most consistent source of fire damage you'll find. It's a 3ppm fire proc trinket and it's a DoT so it's active a lot of the time

[jagged pier]

the 1 all totem on hc we got got given to the tank that quit

[oak echo]

sure it's not "required" but it is the best option

[jagged pier]

and the eggnogg ring doesnt drop

[deep spruce]

So u have a CHANCE of a ring proc, on a 2min cd. Sounds logical

[slim dove]

[modern brook]

Lol owned

[analog jay]

How does spell reflect damage ALL the imps in Court of Stars? Did I get that wrong?
Shouldn't it reflect only a single spell?

[warm plinth]

If things hit simultaneously, it reflects all of them

[slim dove]

if theyre all cast in the same spell batch

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure ring also doesn't beat out cobalt/melandrus

[slim dove]

it reflects them all.

[warm plinth]

How would it not beat Melandrus

[slim dove]

cobalt gets outsimmed by 415 rings

[cinder nova]

We do a lot of melee

[slim dove]

a 408 ring that has a free 1% embellish on it should outsim cobalt np.

[warm plinth]

Not enough that like 130 extra auto attack damage beats a ring that does like 1.5k dps

[cinder nova]

My N one doesn't sim higher, that's whacky

Mine is 140

[warm plinth]

point still stands

[cinder nova]

Also, 1.5k? I haven't seen it anywhere near that

Even on top end parses

[slim dove]

its 2ppm + haste at 5.5k dmg per proc?

[cinder nova]

Unlucky?

[slim dove]

must be

it should be worth 1.5k dps easy if you can proc it enough

also scales with vers

[vapid slate]

Help with vault? Cant decide between ring or trinket. Both are upgrades my trinkets are a 395 Icon and a 402 rumbling ruby and both my rings are lacking arcane loop and star band both at 392

[warm plinth]

This is a 24 RLP. 140 damage per swing would be a 2.6% increase on 6.8% of our damage, or about 90 DPS in that log. Melandrus ring is only good because it's free damage (and happens to have great stats), not because it's amazing damage.

[bold fern]

worth taking the fire absorb ring on 408 with socket ?i just got 405 haste crit and the AA one

and i didnt craft belt yet cuz i aimed for that eranog ring :<

[sand mason]

That all totem looks pretty nice

You can farm rings in m+ the all totem is harder to farm with 1chance on a small % once a week

[strong forum]

If all spells go off at the same time, the game can't discern which would be the first, so it reflect all at teh same time

This is a thing since OG tbc

And intended

[warm plinth]

Okay yeah I might have overstated it a bit. Looking at Sense's logs. It's ~650-1.1k with a 408. But that's still a hell of a lot better than a Melandrus ring

[spring scarab]

Who do you guys think is the hardest boss in terms of mech in the raid?

[harsh cedar]

What would the change be that there is a sneakkky little Spell reflect excel hiding somewhere on this discord?

[karmic plinth]

its in pins

[warm plinth]

It's not even hiding that well

😉

[harsh cedar]

"Puts on shame cone and goes to corner"

[warm plinth]

I still love you

[uneven mason]

Raz by sheer length,

Same reason why Sire was a real jerk, multiple phases that required you to just keep up the dance

[sand mason]

I feel like raz is so free mechanic wise outside of the length

[gentle compass]

Hello guys, which one of these items is harder to get by later on ? I already have 4 tier set (0 on head piece, my head is 402), Both items simmed very very close

[sand mason]

Take head so you can drop the poorly stat itemized gloves for some 415 valor gloves (the ones from smbg)

You can’t get a better tier helm unless you kill raz or get lucky in box again. All totem will eventually drop from raid if you keep clearing!

[valid heart]

How big do you guys think the seal of fillal duty is (hc)? i wil ofc have to use the waist to proc it

[gentle compass]

Good point, thank you for help, what other trinkets are BIS for m+, trinkets seem the most confusing of all

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[dapper vapor]

Trying to use this on the sim but getting this error "Warning: Unknown option 'dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training' with value 'fire_shot:6', ignoring" - anyone know if there's anything more to it than just adding the code line to the footer?

[gentle compass]

What are the best 2 trinkets to use out of all of these ? i usually use the brackenhide one as an extra defensive cd and rumbling ruby for damage

[tropic tangle]

I'd go rumbling / whispering

no need to use a 372 for a defensive cd you don't really need

[warm plinth]

There's no whispering there is there?

[prime umbra]

How good is all-totem for M+?

[tropic tangle]

oh, is that all totem?

[gentle compass]

it's all totem

[tropic tangle]

yeah, use all totem / rumbling

[warm plinth]

I second this ^

[jagged pier]

bis

[prime umbra]

fml

I have to choose between that and tier gloves with bonus speed at 415, already have 4 set but those tertiary hngggh

[warm plinth]

That's not even a hard choice...

[tropic tangle]

fr

[high drum]

just think of how easy grimmy totes is to kill on heroic

[prime umbra]

truth

[high drum]

and how noone else wants the trinket

[prime umbra]

fair, you guys are ofcourse right

[high drum]

we've had 4 drop and i have had all 4

[plush tendon]

When you have to assert your dominance on Mythic Council

[jagged pier]

we've had 2

drop

accross normal and hc

[high drum]

so both tanks should have it right

[jagged pier]

i have a normal one

[high drum]

you doing 30 mans?

[jagged pier]

yes

[high drum]

unlucky, but still not worth taking out of vault

[warm plinth]

:waitwhat

[jagged pier]

not even 100k

[plush tendon]

[tropic tangle]

lmao

[prime umbra]

lol

[plush tendon]

I didnt have battle pot

[tropic tangle]

the obvious answer is take all totem

[plush tendon]

I missed the cauldron

[jagged pier]

nither do i

[sweet summit]

shouldn't be anything else you need to do i think. i don't get any errors. are you using weekly or nightly, maybe the change is not in weekly yet?

[high drum]

i'd take 415 gloves unless ur a mystic raider
\

cos you can just get an all totem for freeeeee

[warm plinth]

If someone I knew irl took a tier piece just because it had speed on it over a great trinket, I'd slap them upside their head

Do you know how easy it's going to be to get any tier piece you want literally next week.

[tropic tangle]

yeah man, it still has to drop

[plush tendon]

gotta go fast

[tropic tangle]

• 415 isn't capped ilvl

you can valor up to that level

[valid heart]

Hey guys, ill try again. I got seal of fillal duty is (hc) in vault but i also got 421 one hand (allready have 418). How good is the ring?

[high drum]

it is if you dont raid mythic

415 is cap

[tropic tangle]

wrong, M+ vault goes to 421

[plush tendon]

thats the shield ring yea? If so, I think the wep is the play

[high drum]

sure

but not for the next week thing

[dapper vapor]

That was it! Thank you, appreciate the help

[high drum]

catalyst

which is what we're talkin about

[sweet summit]

[warm plinth]

Huh?

You can convert M+ vault items to tier, wdym

[tropic tangle]

are we? we talking about a BIS trinket vs gloves that starting next week you can valor up and convert

[high drum]

valour up to 415

unless you can suddenly go higher

[valid heart]

yes

[dire matrix]

do i drop 23 ilvls on shoulder and 16 on legs for 4 set

[plush tendon]

id take the wep

[dire matrix]

i feel like no

[warm plinth]

Or get literally any gloves in vault at 421 and convert

[tropic tangle]

^

[plush tendon]

I just dropped my Seal of Fillal for Melandrus and Fireball ring

[high drum]

well obviously if he had a 421 it wouldnt be a choice

[prime umbra]

Any m+ gloves with tertiary can be turned into tier piece, as opposed to the trinket. I get what you mean

[fickle lodge]

What is bis trinket for m+ and raids?

[high drum]

but he has 415 or a 408 trinket with no competition

i think taking the trinket is very short sighted

[warm plinth]

The trinket has to drop

He already has 4pc

this is literally a non-choice

[valid heart]

So the shield proc is rather low then?

[high drum]

i dont think you know what either of those words mean

[oak echo]

gloves are also literally the worst piece and he has 4 set though?

[plush tendon]

no, its a good proc

[high drum]

hat is the worst piece

[sonic eagle]

Guys ruby welp shell?

is it the play?

[plush tendon]

but I feel like its not necessary

[dire matrix]

doesnt matter which you do

[sonic eagle]

got it 421 vaultt

[dire matrix]

its fine

[plush tendon]

and a 421 wep is like.... good

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't take it unless my trinkets were actual ass and I had no other good options

[fickle lodge]

Rumbling ruby or torch? Both heroic for prot war m+?

[tropic tangle]

point being, one is a piece you will replace, one is something you won't unless you're a mythic raider

[valid heart]

Aight ill just go for wep then

[plush tendon]

I think thats the play

[dire matrix]

@warm plinth ignore me again

and ill fuck you up

😡

[prime umbra]

just pointing out, in case this matters, the trinket is only normal difficulty -

[warm plinth]

LOL

Sorry I had typed a response and then got distracted

I would make the sacrifice but I'll understand if you don't want to.

[dire matrix]

feel like the raw stats is too much

[sonic eagle]

i have totem master and spiteful storm 408 and 411 and i can choose ruby welp in 421 :/

[high drum]

if its a normal all totem even less reason to take it

thats the freest item in the entire world

[tropic tangle]

yeah, not sure then, assumed it was heroic

[high drum]

dont listen to these noobers

[warm plinth]

would keep what you have tbh

[prime umbra]

mb, should have been more specific

[high drum]

gloves

[dire matrix]

its gloves pretty sure

[tropic tangle]

yeah, if it were heroic I'd take the totem

[high drum]

gloves have way better itemization than hat

[tropic tangle]

but gloves are the play with the ilvl disparity

[warm plinth]

What ilevel are your current tier gloves @prime umbra

[strong forum]

Normal and hc raids are farmable, 415 tier gloves, not as farmable

[high drum]

if you take a hc alltotem at all in vault youre probably wrong

[dire matrix]

ok nome give me ur opinion rq

[prime umbra]

dont have tier gloves, I'm wearing tier items in all other slots

[high drum]

unless you have 0 good 421s

taking something so stupidly easy to obtain

[dire matrix]

drop 23 ilvls on shoulder and 16 on legs for 4 set

or not

[high drum]

vs weekly rng items is really dumb

[dire matrix]

i think not personally

if it was gloves maybe

[high drum]

legs tier is incredibly well itemized

[dire matrix]

secondary stats dont even come into the equation

[prime umbra]

I was thinking of dropping chest for gloves then

[neon blade]

How good is Ruby Whelp Shell as prot now that we have found out what to do with the dragon? 😄

[dire matrix]

its just ilvl

[valid magnet]

was it a dumb idea to go for 2 tier piece chest? 3 ilvl increase unlike ring thats like 15

[warm plinth]

No

15 ilevels on a ring isn't 4% damage and 4% reduced damage taken

[high drum]

2 piece is worth a lot

[warm plinth]

Not even close

[valid magnet]

👍

[high drum]

however if you have things in ur bank to catalyst

[dire matrix]

i have 2 peice with my highest ilvl slots

its 4 tho thats the issue

[strong forum]

For m+ yes, raid no

[valid magnet]

I dont really rn other than my current equipped helm

[dire matrix]

yeah raid 100% not but do you think its close for m+

[strong forum]

Yes absolutley

[dire matrix]

it feels kinda close to me at least

like i could go either way

depends if u play arms in the raid

and carea bout your guild

[craggy pilot]

wait i did wrong pic

1 sec 😄

[warm plinth]

That's not a 2h weapon 👀

[craggy pilot]

boys help plz 🤔

do i pick ring which is 1.3% for Prot but sidegrade for Arms
or do i pick 2h which is 1.5% for Arms

[high drum]

guess im gettin some shoes gang

😔

one day ill get mystic whispering incarno

[strong forum]

You already have 421 Helm?

[high drum]

418 engi

[warm plinth]

Probably the 2h if you play arms even semi-regularly

[strong forum]

Ya but tier no?

[dire matrix]

maybe somehow i get razageth helmet tonight

[strong forum]

Cuz catalyst

[high drum]

nah BR better

[dire matrix]

doubtt tho

[strong forum]

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye but the ring is quite rare i guess 🤔

[strong forum]

You can get br on wrists

[craggy pilot]

but doesnt seem super good on HC for Arms 🤔

[strong forum]

And not waste a max stat item

[warm plinth]

Are you using something that can proc the ring as arms @craggy pilot?

Seems weird that it'd be a sidegrade

[high drum]

its not that bad, hat has the worst stats

[craggy pilot]

Frostfire belt

[warm plinth]

Do you just have really high rings?

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9RQSH6RJb5za1aDtry1C5U

398 ring

[warm plinth]

That seems weird

[craggy pilot]

aparently the haste loss is as big as the Fire gain 🤔 b

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4AngxHmLDoBzqe57gVBQwb
Ring is 1% dmg

fire proc

[warm plinth]

Is haste that big for arms? I'm not familiar with you guys' stats

[strong forum]

Haste is massive for arms

By a landslide

Cuz Tom

[dire matrix]

unlucky

[strong forum]

Arms is all about juicing Tom windows

[craggy pilot]

ye so Fire Ring is poopoo

[warm plinth]

Well, idk. Whatever you play more, pick that

[craggy pilot]

which is kinda sad

[neon elk]

Is there any trinket that i would want to replace grieftorch in future ? Cant decide what to pick in vault

[warm plinth]

Ring if you play prot more, 2h if you play arms more

[high drum]

never in raid

[craggy pilot]

rings for Arms in bloodmallet 🤣

[high drum]

grieftorch is obscene in raid

[neon elk]

How about m+?

[strong forum]

In ultra keys grieftorch is spicy cuz you can't block during it

[high drum]

its ok, i wouldnt use it

in high m+

[strong forum]

But outside of ultra keys it's big

[high drum]

cos trinket better

[craggy pilot]

in M+ you dont TOM though 🤔

so maybe my Fire ring would be good for M+ Arms

[strong forum]

Idk enough about arms to answer that

[neon elk]

Ive got whetstone as one of my trinkets

[warm plinth]

Are you simming with the M+ build or with the raid build?

For arms

[high drum]

i think u wanna use whetstone + alltotem for m+

[strong forum]

With the arms rework next week

Maybe you play Tom in m+ too idk

[high drum]

ive seen people use the vault trinket too

[craggy pilot]

ST raid build

[craggy pilot]

true

[dire matrix]

i speccd out of bsv

IM GOING CRAZY

[strong forum]

Bsv is bugged anyway

[high drum]

but for raid you're not taking grieftorch off

[toxic pewter]

I love arms tbh. Having fun with cleave/execute build with big whirlwinds. No bladestorm

[high drum]

its too good

[strong forum]

So you literally just gained a free talent point

[dire matrix]

yeah it procs at 60%

[strong forum]

Gj

[dire matrix]

its actually cringe as fuck

[neon elk]

Ye i can either pick 421 tier hands and be done with hands for rest of season or go grieftorch which i might swap anytime , cuz idk how bad it will be in higher keys

[dire matrix]

i kinda am dropping apoint from your build for bounding strides tho

i cant play without it

[high drum]

if u care about mythic raid, take grief

[warm plinth]

Bounding Strides is bis

[dire matrix]

fucking wheelchair

[high drum]

otherwise take ur 421 tier

imo

[dire matrix]

-pain and gain + bounding

happy days

i saw the r1 prot not taking punish sometimes tho which seems kinda troll

[neon elk]

Wont do much mythic raiding probably

[high drum]

on which fight?

i dont take it on council

[dire matrix]

m+

[high drum]

o

on fort maybe

[dire matrix]

he runs talents at random tho im convinced

he swaps spellblock and tough as nails in the same keytstone same week

he either forgets to swap

or just click at random

sometimes he takes neither tough nor spellblock

[toxic pewter]

Wow

[neon elk]

Maybe he just literaly put random talents to before he logs out to troll people? Xd

[high drum]

me

[dire matrix]

nah im looking at his runs

not what he logs out as

was looking at diff builds for dungeons

[craggy pilot]

@warm plinth https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cjTVpsuUzjpe7CqG1azDmp
for no TOM it sims +0.7%

[gritty swallow]

maybe he just decides to blast so hard that talents are irrelevant

[dire matrix]

i mean

[high drum]

press spellblock
its greyed out
🌞

[craggy pilot]

but then my 2h is +3.1% 😄

[dire matrix]

hes kinda not wrong

[dire matrix]

some of the choices do not matter that much

[sick sentinel]

forever stuck inside HOV 11

[high drum]

upgrade ur enchants you fuckin cheapskate

[craggy pilot]

i have only 700k gold 🤣

[high drum]

1 star gamer

[neon elk]

Just to make my choosing easier , what is considered ultra high key? Torch is clear winer sim wise i just dont wanna make my life worse by casting trinket

[gritty swallow]

bro only 700k

[craggy pilot]

which one is 1 star?

[gritty swallow]

i have 60k on my warrior rn

[craggy pilot]

the speed on boots? 😄

[high drum]

and legs

[craggy pilot]

oh ye Armor Kit is ultra expensive on my server for some reason

[plush tendon]

I think its relative

[reef holly]

Welp- just got yelled at for chain pulling

[dire matrix]

fuck them

unless its ass rogue

[reef holly]

And not tanking multiple packs

[dire matrix]

then tell them to play outlaw in pugs

[gritty swallow]

super relative, i think a 22-23 right now is very difficult but obviously keys higher than that are being cleared

[craggy pilot]

i had a guy in Halls yesterday purposely pull wolves

[dire matrix]

some dungeons u need to chain

[craggy pilot]

after i said "kite into cave"

😄

and it was his own fkin key

[dire matrix]

i pull the wolves to idiot proof for people

iiwii

[craggy pilot]

true

used to do that

[craggy pilot]

but Fort +20 doesnt rly work like that

[dire matrix]

i mean

i timed 21 doing it

[craggy pilot]

4k for an Armor Kit :<

[dire matrix]

im pretty sure i could time 23 doing it too

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok

[dire matrix]

its not that much of a time loss

[craggy pilot]

maybe just my pepega dps then

ill stick to my old route then i guess

you do bears in ur route?

[dire matrix]

yeah all 7

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok

i used to do no bears though

and do like 7 wolves

[dire matrix]

i skip the 5 before the skovald door

and the pack on the left to fenryr

[dire matrix]

i dont do 19

or 15

[sick sentinel]

are the ones i posted permanent or 1 hr

[dire matrix]

i would do the 15 pull if i didjnt do wolves

permanent

[high drum]

take the torch

it sims the highest in fun per hour

[sick sentinel]

see, if its perma, i don't mind as bad

[dire matrix]

warming up in 22 cos b4 i send my 23

[high drum]

and you get to whisper people "thanks for the fuel" when they die

[sick sentinel]

but im not spendin, 6 fuckin grand on enchant for 392 crit versa pants of dog shit

[high drum]

and if you die using the griefyT it reduces its own cooldown

so you can do it again

pog

[gritty swallow]

been trying to convince my raid lead to give next grieftorches to me and my cotank because we live while others die

most potential resets

[strong forum]

I consider ultra keys like 24++

Currently

[void chasm]

Hey guys, never been one to use macros. Never really understood the point but seems like they can be pretty helpful. Any good resources for learning and more specifically for prot warriors?

[strong forum]

There aren't any crazy macros

[high drum]

only one i really use is the ignore pain ss one

[sand mason]

If you put a helm with a socket on it into the catalyst would it keep the socket?

[young sleet]

stance one button one is "useful"

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[void chasm]

so just chain ignore paint then ss?

[high drum]

yeah because ignore pain can reset the cd of ss

so it lets you press ignore pain when off gcd and do it without thinking

so you an pre-press whatever the not-ss is

and not lose a ss

in case of reset

[void chasm]

ahhh ok that's cool

[grizzled chasm]

people go out of def stance?

[high drum]

people use def stance?

[jagged pier]

people are in def stance?

[young sleet]

you never go def stance

ahaha

^^

[solar sandal]

is spell block enough by itself for a +20 or higher jade serpent kicks?

i never know how much it mitigates

[craggy pilot]

🤔

[high drum]

probably

[grizzled chasm]

wait what

[jagged pier]

its the healing absorb thats the issue

[craggy pilot]

how do you go out of Def stance if you arent even in Def stance?

[grizzled chasm]

you dont go defense stance

[jagged pier]

u have potion IV and LS to count that

[grizzled chasm]

???

[craggy pilot]

for specific mechanics

but generally 90% of the time in Battle Stance

[strong forum]

You need to rotate CDs for it, depending on fight length you'll eventually run out

[solar sandal]

yeah that's why i was wondering if spell block was good enough stand alone

[strong forum]

I'm like 98% of the time in b-stance ih my keys even

[odd tree]

yes, sockets and avoidance/leech/speed stay

[solar sandal]

ive been watching a lot of prot pov clears of it

[strong forum]

Yes

[high drum]

u only need to stay alive and not be a burden, so def stance is pretty un-needed when you arent the one in danger most the time

[sick sentinel]

i go absolutely no where with a stack of less than 20 of these

[strong forum]

If you time it well you can take 2 combos

[dry ingot]

How valuable is 4 set? Like I get it's useful I just don't know how much I should prioritize it, I'm only on 16s and 17s so I'm curious if its necessary for higher keys or if I'm just playing bad

[solar sandal]

and it seems a lot of time they just use spell block with none of the heals or other defensives with it

[grizzled chasm]

I have been just sat in def stance 100% of the time

[sand mason]

damn thats hype. SO I should totallly valor upgrade my 405 helm with a socket to 415 and make that my tier

Cause socket is "6" ilvl and equal to a 421 then yah?

[grizzled chasm]

maybe that's why I don't generate any rage, and do no dps

[strong forum]

very good in m+, meh in raid

[craggy pilot]

bad doggo

[sick sentinel]

i normally have a stack of 100 of those potions ready to go

[solar sandal]

it's just hard to see how much value spell block is providing

other than i know it's a lot

[craggy pilot]

it doesnt reduce ur Rage, but it reduces your dmg

by like 13-14%

[strong forum]

It prevents you from getting 1shot on the kick, but it does nothing vs the dot

[solar sandal]

right

[grizzled chasm]

oh

man i feel like an idiot

[high drum]

https://i.imgur.com/Zj5dAKP.png

[gritty swallow]

i mean its a mistake that youve been making but can correct it now

no harm no foul

[round cliff]

is it a good idea to go into defensive stance when im about to do a fat pull
or should i ONLY use it reactively

[craggy pilot]

learning point bro

no worries

[high drum]

ur not wrong to sit in dstance

[craggy pilot]

yes thats good

[dry ingot]

Should I prio 4 set over ilvl?... or is it just kinda get it when you can

[high drum]

its just not what most people prioritize

[craggy pilot]

when you feel like you need to use Dstance

[high drum]

14% damage is better than 15% mit for most things

[craggy pilot]

is when you are at a good point in your kit

[solar sandal]

catalyst out soon so no

[craggy pilot]

then its at least a "choice" that you pop into Dstance

[high drum]

do whatever u want homie, if you dont die or even come close then you can consider next time

maybe i go bstance for that

i dstance the dorks at the top of the ramp after first boss sbg for example

and the ones just before her

[round cliff]

well what i actually do is forget i have dstance entirely

but

im just talking hypothetical

[high drum]

what if zelda was a girl

[grizzled chasm]

Hmm I def need wayyyy more learning on this class then cause even sat in def stance I just die to stuff

[gritty glen]

Make sure shield block always up, spam IP

[odd tree]

got any logs

?

[lofty widget]

post a log and we can help

[dry ingot]

Is it necessary for 18 to 20s or am I just fuckin up stuff?

[sick sentinel]

now thats just overkill

[grizzled chasm]

let me see if I've got one I can upload

[solar sandal]

is what necessary?

4 pc?

[dry ingot]

Yea

[solar sandal]

not necessasry

[pallid quiver]

You can do 20s without 4p

like me, for example ha ha

[solar sandal]

i dont have 4pc either and i'm almost 2700

it'll just be more comfortable when you get it

lol

[pallid quiver]

except this week because explosive is my least favorite affix because i find it unfun so i ain't playin' that shit

[dry ingot]

Kk I just got some learning to do

[strong forum]

In 16/17s it does barely anything, but the higher you go the better it becomes

Cuz your IP will get eaten alot faster

[solar sandal]

lol facts

why is frozen vs sophic so close in m+ usage compared to raid?

[grizzled chasm]

I dont have a single prot log from m+ it seems.. after I run some keys later/tomorrow can I post and someone take a look? ;o

[dire matrix]

frozen is more aoe dmg

[solar sandal]

i think frozen is way more common for raid usage tho no?

which is like...counter intuitive given your point

[dire matrix]

4pc isnt necessary for pushing at all

[lofty widget]

yep theres lots of ppl to look them over 🙂

[dire matrix]

im over 2800 and rerolled 2 weeks ago

[grizzled chasm]

thanks!!

[solar sandal]

i see a lot of sophic in keys tho it looks like

[sick sentinel]

i still don't fully understand how to over pull trash for nokhud, that place does suck

whoever said it was right

[dire matrix]

you can sim it

if you care

but sophic has defensive value

frozen does not

[warm plinth]

what do you mean by overpull

[pallid quiver]

Sophic is generally better in AOE, while iirc Frozen will stay on top by a good margin in most raid damage profiles. So, you have raiders occasionally dipping into M+, as well as Frozen simming better at lower ilvls and people just preferring it for ST or whatever, hence the closeness

[sick sentinel]

my weapon is 392 valor haste versa but im doing wafting devotion 2 on it i i think is that enchant

[wheat zenith]

415 whetstone vs 418 blaze hoof, which one would you choose?

[sick sentinel]

so you don't pull at final boss hardly

[strong forum]

Whetstone 100%

[sick sentinel]

you are over pulling the normal count at that boss

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