protection

[blazing condor]

Shoulders probably cus you dont have 2 set right?

[acoustic island]

Im before raid, also leg token in bag not opened from lfr

[lofty widget]

those arent tier shoulders i think

[acoustic island]

I will clear normal/hc this week

Ye

Not tier one

Tier is only chest

[opal flame]

any idea? I have 4 set and only play m+

all the trinkets I own

[blazing condor]

Oh yea you right mb

[astral olive]

vault as arms or fury? 😄

[acoustic island]

For me Decoration of flame and seed

[opal flame]

yeah, I was hoping for decoration upgrade

[warm plinth]

what is the top right trinket

[oblique kayak]

shell

[acoustic island]

I mean, siming only DMG wise, single target 2 min, single target 5 min or aoe 20-40 seconds 4-5 targets it says always Maniac Grieftorch or legs in second place

[acoustic island]

Decoration of flame is an S tier overall

[warm plinth]

ah, meh

[acoustic island]

Shell is dogshit

[warm plinth]

It's not dogshit. It's just not amazing.

[oblique kayak]

that tucking cloke i have seen in every one of my vaults

[acoustic island]

Catalyst next week, right?

[opal flame]

but I could have upgrade the shell I already own from valor and maby take cloak instead? I'm still using the one from Obsidian

[acoustic island]

Shell is wrong trinket

Seed is pretty nice

[warm plinth]

Yes, catalyst is next week

[acoustic island]

I see a lot of top prot waririors runing seed defensive wise

[warm plinth]

Seed is worse than shell.

[acoustic island]

Well i speak according to raider io top prot warriors in the world

I never saw shell on them

Deco of flame/seed/other dps trinekts

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying it's bis. I'm saying it's better than seed

[acoustic island]

How u assume that?

[warm plinth]

Because seed is shit lol. It takes 2-2 1/2 minutes for max stacks and even at max stacks it's nothing special

[hardy snow]

you cant upgrade ritual shell with valor, its not M+ item

[acoustic island]

+1

[opal flame]

Sorry I meant seed

[astral olive]

Oh god what a shitty vaupt 😂

[oblique kayak]

finally got the all totem in the heroic pug

[astral olive]

3 different cloaks are you srs haha

[sick sentinel]

Whats your preferred way of killing explosives?

[blazing condor]

heroic throw

[ionic fern]

Heroic Throw.

Or AFK.

[sick sentinel]

haha yeah

Good

[ionic fern]

Get a druid healer.

And it's w/e.

[sick sentinel]

mm

I played bear in shadowlands and killed like 80% so used to be the one who does it

Will titanic throw work on several or does that count as aoe?

[placid vale]

You need to open vault as DPS for Grieftorch to appear right?

[warm plinth]

It would kill the one you target and no others.

[warm plinth]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

thought so

[arctic marten]

In terms of defensive value, would the Windscar Whetstone be strictly worse than a regular main-stat trinket?

[young mango]

We do Not Need defensive trinkets

We actually dont Even Need gear

[jagged pier]

in terms of defense it will be slightly worse

[atomic inlet]

wich shoud i chose guys?

[jagged pier]

chest

[spice orbit]

love you

[atomic inlet]

have tier chest already thoghe?

[jagged pier]

its 13 ilvls

on biggest stat piece

[atomic inlet]

what about hand

[round pendant]

trinket or 405 cape? current trinkets are 405 burgeoning seed and 385 primal shell

[jagged pier]

is it more strength?

[round pendant]

they sim to be the same

[jagged pier]

or just sim it

[mild jolt]

Is there a way to proc the broodkeeper ring, besides crafted Gear ? Like enchantments or phials?

[jagged pier]

there are trinkets

but they are every 2 mins

instead

of

all the time

consistantly

[blazing condor]

Splintering shards is the DoT in AV right? and piercing is the frontal

[zinc spruce]

So you guys ever go double wall with spell block? Or is it either one or the other

[jagged pier]

yes

depending on dungeon

[blazing condor]

3rd boss TJS is good for it

a lot of people run both tho

[zinc spruce]

Okay

Thanks

[atomic inlet]

no weekly chest from this guy huh? 😦

[cedar trench]

he's stingy

[blazing condor]

you get rep

[ionic fern]

Yes. Piercing is frontal+dot from the rock dudes.
Splintering SHards is the dot from the Crystal Thrasher on random targets.

[blazing condor]

ah yeah

thanks

forgot that crystal thrasher actually was a mob

[flint grove]

Another week another bad vault https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780492577190707272/1065141443745812560/image.png

[cold shell]

grieftorch goes brrrr

[ionic fern]

How

[cold shell]

thoughts on 3rd spark craft?

[ionic fern]

Is that a bad vault

You got grieftorch

Wtf.

[flint grove]

Wait is that trinket not bait

[ionic fern]

No.

...............

[flint grove]

Oh shit

[cold shell]

no.

[ionic fern]

It's a stupid broken trinket

[tacit gorge]

the rock dudes cast is a frontal? they havnt a big tank hit?

[ionic fern]

Get that + whetstone, easy r1 parses.

[blazing condor]

yeah its a frontal

cone

hurts like a mf

[flint grove]

I got decoration and all totem atm

Mythic

[blazing condor]

also is there a confirmed catalyst yet? haven't kept up to date on info

[flint grove]

23rd

Iirc

[cold shell]

next week right?

[blazing condor]

in that case you can craft something for catalyst if you want. Upgrade your chest or something

[cold shell]

idk if i should trust a dog

ty for the insight 🙂

wait you're actually baiting me

crafted gear cant be catalyst'd right?

[blazing condor]

idk about that actually

i just assumed it would work

but maybe its only from m+ and shit

[keen rune]

guys! i need help 😦

[zenith sky]

As far as we know, crafted gear cannot be catalyzed. Source: dev interview with soulsobreezy. But you never know. Next week catalyst comes, people realize they can't use their crafted items for real, shitstorm ensues, one week later suddenly crafted gear can be used.

[woeful trellis]

Can you cataclyst items that dropped before the patch or only items that drop after the patch

[zenith sky]

Should be all seasonal items, also the ones dropped before the patch.

[woeful trellis]

Ok 🫶

[indigo phoenix]

Got that in vault wondering if its actually super bad or just people not getting it in vaults, see none of the warriors using it (comparison with trinkets), mostly doing M+ so its a bit of a weird one

[blazing condor]

not that bad of a trinket but its just not as much damage as other ones

more of a defensive trinket if anything

probably why people dont run it

[lament herald]

How good is the totem trinket ?

[blazing condor]

good

[indigo phoenix]

its pretty good, deals like a combined of 4-6 mil in keys

of all elements

[rain forum]

is there any definitive information on the difficult wrist protectors? as in what is the best safety device if you're an engi, whether the quality of the tinker itself matters

[sick sentinel]

lol did yall see the nerfs today

[lament herald]

Its this trinket better then the rubi dragon trinket ?

[acoustic island]

Yup, today's nerfs

Are tremendous

Azure vault and RLP will be easy as fuck

xD

30-50% dmg reduction

[sick sentinel]

they had to wait til after fort week

[jagged pier]

it is very mid that trinket

[acoustic island]

They also nerfed bosses

[flint grove]

Grieftorch or all totem hmmmm

[acoustic island]

What is your guys opinion about Grieftorch on prot warrior?

Is it worth it if i have only Deco of flame as second one with good options?

I mean, i can take Horn of Valor or something like that

But is Grieftorch on prot good?

[jagged pier]

yes

[young mango]

Max dps Trinket Choice imo

[jagged pier]

flame is not a good second option its very mid

[young mango]

There is no Need in defensive trinkets at all

[jagged pier]

u have whetstone icon from raid icon from NO

flames is not a defesnive trinket

its a dps trinket

[sick sentinel]

next theyre gonna wait 2 more weeks before adding 5min to hov timer

[jagged pier]

and u loose value the moment u dont use it on cd

[acoustic island]

My gear and my vault

What do u guys think about it?

[limpid anchor]

I think i saw that now 8 times already

[acoustic island]

I sent it once, didn't receive any answer

[jagged pier]

shoulders if they give 2 set

otherwise i dunno

[acoustic island]

No set on shoulders

[young mango]

Legs

It sim urself

Any piece will je replaced at some Point anyways

[acoustic island]

I will wait with pick until i clear normal and HC raid this week, after that if leg's won't drop i will take them

If not i will pick Grieftorch

[unreal sage]

How to sim vault items?

[acoustic island]

Open vault, have simcraft addon, type ./simc when vault is opened

[cold forge]

Hey folks can any explain how shield block and spell block actually work?

[young mango]

Get simc addon

[acoustic island]

And voila, you wil lhave GV items to choose

[warm plinth]

Shield Block - makes you block 100% of the time while active
Spell Block - enables blocking to also block spells for 20 seconds (does not guarantee blocking on its own)

[young mango]

Go to vault open it, create a string including bags, sim top gear

[unreal sage]

Thanks guys

[cold forge]

@warm plinth thanks... so if its melee damage it will be completely blocked while shield block is up?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[unreal sage]

Depend

[warm plinth]

Or ranged physical attacks

e.g. shoot style abilities

[unreal sage]

There is list of błockable reflectable etc spells

So you have to pop up proper cd on proper time

[jagged pier]

well u have to face the targets

[hazy umbra]

Hey guys, i need your advice, do i play 4p With à 398 and à 389 (meh stats) or 2 405 With better stats and keep the 2p only

[jagged pier]

u wont block if they are behind u

[jagged pier]

4 set in m+

whatever in raid

[cold forge]

othanks for the input folks

[hazy umbra]

Yeah thats what i thought thx mate

[cold forge]

where is this list mate?

[unreal sage]

Pinned

[cold forge]

ty ty

[steady steppe]

Is the 4 set essentially just 5% leech

[warm plinth]

Not really

[hazy umbra]

Kinda, but à bit better

[warm plinth]

That's how people commonly explain it but it's a lot more than that at times, and unlike leech, it prevents damage, not heals it

[hazy umbra]

Since it can create IP

[warm plinth]

which is just better obviously

[hazy umbra]

And when you have IP your talents makes you generate 15% of your damage as IP

So 20% With 4p

[warm plinth]

So our talent Brutal Vitality is bugged so that if you cap your IP, you can't gain IP from it until the IP goes away. In relevant content, you break IP all the time anyway so it doesn't matter in general. But you also can't just spam Ignore Pain because you want to press Revenge. Since the 4 set creates its own IP, it means you get more IPs for Brutal Vitality to impact

[jagged pier]

no

works fine now im pretty sure

[warm plinth]

idk, Nome has said it was fixed before and then the next day said it wasn't again

[compact jackal]

90% of the raid died on rasz going from int2 to p3

[unreal sage]

Do you have wa to track 4p? Or is it usseles cause we are constantly using ravage?

I mean 2p

[warm plinth]

There's no reason to track it; there's nothing to track really.

[jagged pier]

true but your adding to IP through 4pc every second anyway

so

🤷

or should be

but we have seen ppl yesterday who dont press revenge at all

which is wild

[warm plinth]

Yeah, well like I said in relevant content you're breaking IP all the time anyway so the impact on BrV should be fairly minimal regardless as long as you aren't doing like +2s

[rough egret]

Sometimes I find myself overpressing revenge!

[lucid pasture]

assalamualaikum team

[rough egret]

Hello 2pac

[lucid pasture]

av nerfs seem quite fucked

big nr 4 right here

but holy crap

[rough egret]

Next time dont slack for 1s and you will be nr 3

[hazy umbra]

I track it, for low rage phase so i refresh it instead of spamming

[lucid pasture]

our pala got smacked over the edge

[rough egret]

But cg 🙂

[lucid pasture]

wus cg

[rough egret]

Congratz

[lucid pasture]

pogga

[rough egret]

Idk im used to cg 😄

[lucid pasture]

i mean

it was quite interesting tho

since only actual kind of problem was frog and first boss

[rough egret]

You doin the big shards pulls?

[lucid pasture]

frogs explosions where fkd

uhh

i skipped i think some shards

1 sec

ill check

route

skipped these two on 2nd ring

these two together

first ring these two together

so kinda big crystal ig?

didnt hurt super badly

[limpid anchor]

You can just pull all 3 together

The Frontals don’t matter

[lucid pasture]

course they dont

[rough egret]

Idk i saw a streamer pulling first room on fort week 😄

[limpid anchor]

I mean, just side step?

[lucid pasture]

if i had more speed i would try and pick up the entire room

but then again

♿

i wish we had an evoker for that double leap

[blazing condor]

its normal to pull entire first room with BL

but you can also stun the frontals on the rock dudes

which is what they do

[lucid pasture]

ye

[blazing condor]

and they die before being cc immune

[lucid pasture]

we jsut played it kind of safe tho

with pugs you know

you kind of have to since you never know what shenanigans might arise

[rough egret]

I must find a way how to love that dungeon, so far i dont

[acoustic island]

Any good weak aura on explosive orbs affix this week?

If someone can link, or just using plater

[lucid pasture]

frogs

[rough egret]

What WA are you looking for?

Just kill them 🙂

[acoustic island]

Maybe some more vision on them or smt

[blazing condor]

i just have different colored name plates on them

red and bigger

[acoustic island]

Its good, true

[lucid pasture]

mine are blue

blue for explosion

[acoustic island]

I have blue for normal mobs, pink for casters

[velvet stone]

Hey guys, I'm wondering what would be best between the big toe and the ruby shell, rest of the vault is sad :'(

[acoustic island]

will set red/orange on explo

[lucid pasture]

my blue are green when i have aggro

although them being purple when someone deploys a

is weird

[autumn pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-wednesday-wednesday-my-dudes-gif-13951537

[signal mortar]

for ruby whelp shell what is best to train for us?

[dense ledge]

my war has lariat, shield and wrists craftet at the moment, wondering what to pick. Thought the weapon was an easy pick but then again, I could craft a 418 weapon this week probably.

[strong forum]

Spiteful storm or the m+ chest

[dense ledge]

got that tier chest already, thanks!

[thin cedar]

I’m AA on like a 19-20, we usually lust tree but crawth gets kinda scary.. was wondering if you guys go tree, vex, then crawth for a lust on him too or just wing it

[limpid anchor]

Tree seems like a non issue with a poison dispell

I try to get lust for bird

[median tulip]

The Bird is much worse; the tree is easy now

[thorny stone]

You can actually do every pull that activates with whelps easily.

Next to the wall (not on first pull that should be done with bl) there is a pillar and you can los the frontals.

[quartz pond]

Got a spiteful storm on my chest too, its tempting

[lucid pasture]

usually hero bird instead of tree

[median tulip]

You can Lust both if you want to; Just do them in the order Tree, Arcane Construct, Bird

[lucid pasture]

thats a lotta walking

[neon elk]

I dont see a single reason why would i choose to BL tree instead of vexa or bird

[median tulip]

Or Arcane first

[lucid pasture]

because it hard

[neon elk]

How ?

Also, if tree is hard then what are other two?

[lucid pasture]

smash boom oof ouch owie bam crash

[lucid pasture]

the other two are vexamus and crawth

[median tulip]

It's a hangover from the first week when the Tree was the most difficult boss in the dungeon; he's no longer as bad as all that, but people still have the mindset of "Tree Scary"

[lucid pasture]

i mean tree isnt as scary

but very much real

[thorny stone]

Tree>elemental>bird

[lucid pasture]

although a hero on bird is much more appreciated by the tank and everyone else

[neon elk]

If i have group that wanna BL tree im insta leaving that

[lucid pasture]

that is kind of troll attitude

but ok

[neon elk]

Why? Ill rather not do a key than wipe midway and disband

[median tulip]

I usually group with a guild Shaman, and just throwing the Earth Elemental in when the adds activate soaks like 90% of the stacks and makes it trivial

[lucid pasture]

Again thats an L attitude

[mortal brook]

For sure would rather bl vex and bird now

[sick sentinel]

hello I wonder it's better 20ilvl on a piece or my 3rd part of set since catalyst is next week?

[median tulip]

Using an external to completely nullify a boss mechanic is a W

[mortal brook]

Tree is chill now

[lofty widget]

not lusting tree means adds are alive longer which means bigger overall

all that matters

[lucid pasture]

SHEEEESSH REAL

BIGGER NUMBER OOGA OOGA

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[weak snow]

kurog trinket worth upgrading from normal to hc? other options are some ilevels here n there nothing special on "normal" armor pieces

[hoary pendant]

whats better setting loot to prot or fury for prot warrior main

[lucid pasture]

prot

[blazing condor]

prot til you have wep and shield

[lucid pasture]

if you set your spec to fury you dont get shield

[blazing condor]

then you can go dps for whetstone and shit

[neon elk]

Not timing/finishung key because someone is stuborn and wana lust wrong boss is imho bigger issue than some random group waiting for tank replacement , but you do you 😉

[lucid pasture]

WHETSTONE

[median tulip]

Protection until you have Main Hand and Shield, then Arms

[lucid pasture]

HEATHEN

[blazing condor]

[lucid pasture]

thats a bad attitude

[blazing condor]

its uber good

[lucid pasture]

you are dog

😡

[blazing condor]

true

[compact jackal]

I had 680K HP in LFR.

[lucid pasture]

i would much rather a sick gaming dathea trinket on aa

IMAGINE

the pad

[neon elk]

I see you have a lot to say, have a nice day and just BL that hard tree

[lucid pasture]

[lucid pasture]

i dont bl it

[flint grove]

Depends on if it’s fort or tyrannical if fort then I just do crawth without lust it’s fine but on tyrannical I’ll be clearing trash till lust for crawth

[lucid pasture]

i bl some trash or bird n shit

idk

but its a shit attitude just leaving

[compact jackal]

you don't even need lust to do a +20 lol

[hoary pendant]

421ilvl chest or stick to 415 tier set= staying on 4p

[lofty widget]

some ppl do

[compact jackal]

Just don't be a toxic bitch that leaves a group because someone did something you dislike

literally just grow up lmao

[tall cedar]

helmet is the way i guess right

[flint grove]

Helmet all day

[mortal brook]

Orrrr ppl follow your route and they do lust timing you want lol.

[lucid pasture]

no man we are dumb

[lucid pasture]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/639f97e788641834ae131c0a/4x.gif

[neon elk]

Did i ever said i would quit midrun or what ? Or u just asumed that ?

[hazy sluice]

is this worth it ? or take tokens and upgrade the ring with valor

[flint grove]

Sim it

[compact jackal]

what shoulders do you have?

[hazy sluice]

408 set

haste vers

[flint grove]

Could take shoulders and make tier with next week

[compact jackal]

^

[flint grove]

Same with gloves

[hazy sluice]

but these are crit vers shoulders

[flint grove]

That’s a big ring but you want COS or first boss ring

[mortal brook]

Yall bein weirdly hostile to lom tbh. If a group wants to do something i dont agree with, we can do our own things separately. Im not married to pug number 746251

[hazy sluice]

would like to make bis stats to tier set

[compact jackal]

you catalyze them into tier

[hazy sluice]

ah i thought they keep their stats

[flint grove]

It changes the whole piece stats and everything

[compact jackal]

nope

[flint grove]

Nah

[hazy sluice]

ah ok nvm then

[lucid pasture]

its not that no

not that

[compact jackal]

our tier boots have high mastery iirc

[flint grove]

Up to you ofc but I’d look at gloves or shoulders

[lucid pasture]

its more that fact that hes saying its mega stupid, and waste of time

when thats an L attitude

[compact jackal]

PMA

Do the key, have fun, complete it

Key goes over? Not your key not your problem.

DPS die to being dumb? Have a giggle

[mortal brook]

Its fine to have different goals than that, tbh

[lucid pasture]

you dont need a hero for aa 20

[compact jackal]

The only thing you can control is yourself and your own mental attitude

[lucid pasture]

you just dont

its just a help

[tall cedar]

which ilvl helmet is coming m+ raid guys?

424 or ?

[hardy snow]

if you dont know what to choose from vault, here is how to decide easily:

1. hold shift
2. mouseover item in vault
3. check if there is +X strength
4. pick one with highest X number

[compact jackal]

421 is max from vault

[tall cedar]

i mean raid

[lucid pasture]

wrong!

[compact jackal]

424

[vast goblet]

just sim it boys

[lucid pasture]

you check what looks prettiest

dumbass

[hardy snow]

ah right, thats too

[tall cedar]

so nice i got 421 helmet from vault , raza mythic is just a myth xD

[hardy snow]

Im just dumb and first take vault for upgrades, then for transmogs :v

[compact jackal]

MORGAN GUIDE TO VAULT

TAKE SEAL OF DIURNA AND GET UNSTABLE FROSTFIRE BELT
CATALYZE IT BOI
COS RING
REPORTED IF YOU GET 418+ STRIKE TWICE

this has been a Morgan Vault Production

[hardy snow]

you can get tier from bosses you havent killed on particular difficulty

[hazy sluice]

yeah i took shoulders now. will upgrade it to tier then

[compact jackal]

3.5% chance

[lucid pasture]

L take

i would rather get something with transmog

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[compact jackal]

some dude got a 418 strike twice WITH LEECH

He's the W Vault of the NA

[lucid pasture]

cope

why not 421

just increase the ilvl

i dont see the problem

[compact jackal]

because Blizzard would ban him for hacking

[lucid pasture]

hm

maybe youre right

[compact jackal]

Luck of that level is illegal

[golden haven]

Manic Grieftorch 398, Blazebinder's Hoof 411, Spiteful Storm 411 . . . wich two would you wear? m+ only

[lucid pasture]

deez

hoof and grieftorch

i think

[compact jackal]

blazebinder 100%, manic if you're fine with double on-use

[lucid pasture]

although spiteful not bad either after buffs

for a passive trink

[compact jackal]

spiteful having 0 aoe is the issue

really decent ST tho

[lucid pasture]

nah

doesnt matter

good anyways

small bit of prio

and boss dmg

[compact jackal]

Reality is

[lucid pasture]

interlinked

[compact jackal]

Unless it's 2 set or a weapon

Seal of Diurna + Unstable is likely the answer

[lucid pasture]

likely

[compact jackal]

and if you get a socketed one or seal, you link it in trade chat and say skill issue

[tall cedar]

im still thinking to upgrade my ruby 405 to 415

cause even 405 one seems great

it gives 3k crit

[velvet stone]

the ruby whelp shell?

[tall cedar]

yep

[velvet stone]

Is it really good with training?

[tall cedar]

well mine 6/6

and it gives 3k crit to team

for 12 sec

[velvet stone]

Damn it's a whole team buff?

[tall cedar]

but with yard

[lucid pasture]

to team?

wha

[tall cedar]

we can say melee's only

xD

i forgot how much yard

[keen rune]

sry if it has been asked before, but how good are the diurna and eranog rings for us? with unstable frostfire belt ofcourse

[hoary pendant]

my gear is chest 405,legs 402,gloves 395, shoulder 411 as tier sets. the vault dropped non tier 421 with haste and crit, 418 head tier set any recommendation what to pick?

current chest can be upgraded to 415

current head 415ilvl with haste and mastery

non tier

[atomic inlet]

guys

[restive crown]

am I reading that we train whelp for crit instead of haste?

[jagged pier]

no

[lucid pasture]

yea whats up man

[jagged pier]

we dont know whats best

[lucid pasture]

hi jakey

have you eaten your brekky

[jagged pier]

hi

[atomic inlet]

not asking u man asking diffrent opinions

[jagged pier]

i was answerin omg

not u

[atomic inlet]

thx toghe 😄

[lucid pasture]

WRONG PERSON

[restive crown]

alright thanks!

[hardy snow]

socket

[atomic inlet]

so i have the same chest 408 ilvl
and have a 402 hand haste vers
wich is better upg for me ?
also this hand is cirit mastery

[hardy snow]

[lucid pasture]

personally i would probably take the chest, since im never going to replace that

but then again

catalyst in 1 week

[jade pulsar]

i'm doing the ST proc, don't rly have a good ST trinket so wanna give it a try myself - u can always re-train it later on when sims have found what's best

[atomic inlet]

hmmmm..

[lucid pasture]

am i wrong tho

?

[jagged pier]

chest is more strength no?

so it will be better

[lucid pasture]

i mean shit point jakey lmao you are so bad

[atomic inlet]

well if i get the hand 61+ str
chest 59+

[lucid pasture]

no but

as i said

[jagged pier]

well theres your answer

[lucid pasture]

you never replace chest, but hands in 1 week you never replace either

if you already have 4p

prolyl go for hands ig

[atomic inlet]

i dont

[lucid pasture]

you dont have 4p?

[atomic inlet]

have 2 set

[lucid pasture]

hmm

[atomic inlet]

i mean their low lvl i dont use them cause of ilvl

[jagged pier]

what

u use tier

regardless

[atomic inlet]

of them is raid finder

[jagged pier]

okay

u still use it

[lucid pasture]

tier for prot is giga

[atomic inlet]

if the chest was a head or a hand or leg set i coude have use it all but no it have to give me something i already have

[craggy pilot]

hmmm

hard choice

[wheat maple]

is the 4set worth equipping over ilvl? losing 13ilvl over the 415 mastery>crit pants

[craggy pilot]

2h for offspec, or HC Seal for Prot

[lucid pasture]

is that a 2h i see

[lucid pasture]

prol yes

[craggy pilot]

yes

[lucid pasture]

jigayes

[jagged pier]

for m+ yes

100% yes

[wheat maple]

aight i'll hold out until next week when i can craft the pants into tier, cheers

[lucid pasture]

no problem man

have fun

[sharp copper]

Is st the play for ruby shell training?

[craggy pilot]

Stats probably

[grizzled chasm]

So I looked at my talents, and I was running barbaric training, is honed reflexes a good choice instead?

[jagged pier]

its okaay

but depends on the context

[weak spindle]

Anyone know how good the 4set actually is in play. As top ranked tank atm has 2 set with haste legs and haste chest instead

[jagged pier]

its giga

[weak spindle]

Not sure if he lacks set or purposely runs the haste embellish

[grizzled chasm]

My original issue was that I'm feeling super rage starved on bosses, and can barely maintain my active migitation

[jagged pier]

hes purposely running legs

[weak spindle]

As I been tanking a little last few days with simular setup and it feels good

[bold olive]

2550 and I enjoy 4pc doing 20s. Huge QOL. I'm not setting any trends though, but a lot of highly ranked players are indeed just wearing 2pc.

[jagged pier]

he thinks they are alot better than they actually are

4 set

its massive

your constantly adding to IP

[weak spindle]

Oki. I think it was good this week as spiteful imo

Likely less value on tyran/no ghosts

Thing is you already add 15 to ip

From talent. Sorta why I questioned it vs other options

[jagged pier]

right but it will start IP without u even casting it

[weak spindle]

[lucid pasture]

i mean

4set is jiga

[jagged pier]

which activated BrV even more

[lucid pasture]

literally jiga

[jagged pier]

like its huge

[lucid pasture]

what the fUCK is brv

[weak spindle]

Bruv

[jagged pier]

brutal vitality

[lucid pasture]

what the fUCK

ah ip talent

what conduits shall i run

[weak spindle]

Anyway. Ty for answers. Got legs 42q today so my ilvl is higher using 4 set now again so just came to ask.

[weak spindle]

Blood and thunder

[lucid pasture]

[weak spindle]

Conduits was so boring for prot

Ngl tho. Challenging shout kick silence feelsgudman

Was 20% of total kicks in NO

[true cairn]

How good is the ring from Broodkeeper with that proc and the frostfire belt?

[lucid pasture]

kinda sick in no

also

is battering ram any good at all

saw some peeps run it

dunno if or not

[jagged pier]

yes u run it

[lucid pasture]

🤔

[true cairn]

you run the broodkeeper ring snd the belt?

[lucid pasture]

jakey tryna coax me into something

[cedar trench]

Br is good for tyran

[jagged pier]

i havent talented out of it since it came in pre patch

[stark jewel]

yo guys, if you mouseover an explosive with heroic throw, that kills it right?

[lucid pasture]

what the frick

[jagged pier]

u would rather have eggnogg ring

[cedar trench]

Yes

[lucid pasture]

maybe i shgould

is it a drop punish or thunderlord angle

[strong forum]

Tl

[cedar trench]

Thunderbird

[lucid pasture]

my demo shout

sadge

[cedar trench]

Thunderlord even

[true cairn]

so you will got first boss ring and broodkeper ring

[lucid pasture]

woah woah

relax there buckaroo

no need to get toxic now

[jolly wasp]

pretty sure you dont dro punish like ever

[jagged pier]

no ill go eggnogg and aa ring

[lucid pasture]

ive defo seen people drop punish

again

or not

[jagged pier]

u dont do that

Tls is bad

desyncs

demo from everything

[lucid pasture]

in addition to dropping tl*

[jagged pier]

you

dont

drop

[lucid pasture]

you me

[jagged pier]

punish

ever

[stark jewel]

punish much better than tl imo

[lucid pasture]

I TOLD YOU

IVE SEEN

PEOPLE

DROP

IT

NOT ME

[jolly wasp]

in easy content i guess you can

[jagged pier]

and im telling u

that its

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[lucid pasture]

ok can we just skip

and kiss

like idk what all this is

[cedar trench]

[lucid pasture]

also L using gif instead of emote

[jagged pier]

its L paying for somthing u can use for free

🤷

[cedar trench]

TRU

[lucid pasture]

wtf

toxic

[jagged pier]

and I cant use bear emotes in here

[ionic fern]

Rich boy Soda.

[lucid pasture]

i have access to such good things as

[jagged pier]

so i aint paying until i can do that

[lucid pasture]

and

[ionic fern]

This also.

[lucid pasture]

so when i say

oh guys im listening to this sick song

then i can

and then we all are happy

[cedar trench]

That’s a kissyahomies angle

[lucid pasture]

and is that a problem?

[cedar trench]

Not at all

[glacial pumice]

In the prot simulation actions list there is a long list of OR statements for when to press ignore_pain. Somewhere in the middle it states |rage.deficit <= 20|. Which means that all the other conditions based on less than 20 rage deficit are useless, correct? Because even if those statements are false, it will automatically convert to True due to the rage deficit being less than 20?
For example, the first condition is: rage.deficit<=15&cooldown.shield_slam.ready , even if shield slam is not, you will cast ignore pain if the rage deficit is below 15, because everything below 20 is below 15. What am I missing here?

[jagged pier]

u cant cast IP at 15 rage

so no

it wont

[glacial pumice]

Its rage deficit, so 15 rage deficit means 85 rage available.

[strong forum]

Or 105

[jagged pier]

well yer u will cast IP in that situation and should

[lucid pasture]

[jagged pier]

nome wrote pretty sure he knows what hes doing

and as we say

many times

[lucid pasture]

man i love nome

[jagged pier]

its open source

u dont like

[lucid pasture]

his hair specifially

[jagged pier]

u can change it

[cedar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[jagged pier]

thats the wrong gif

[lucid pasture]

thats a big chatting emoji for sure

[cedar trench]

Bigger is better

[glacial pumice]

It not that I dont like it, I assume it is written for a reason. I just don't see the reason, so was wondering if someone could explain what i'm missing.

[strong forum]

I may have added the rage deficit 20 later on

But it doesn't hurt to have that SS line in there

Doesn't change anything

[uncut dome]

anyone got a vanguards determination tracker?

[cedar trench]

Wago does

[uncut dome]

tried finding one

couldnt find one

apperantly not a good detective

[glacial pumice]

There are 12 OR statements, however 5 of them are useless due to the single rage 20 deficit statement, correct?

[strong forum]

Could very well be

[cedar trench]

Code not perfect smh, expected better tbh

[lucid pasture]

i didnt expect it to be perfect

nomeratur is one crazy fiend

[weak spindle]

Battering ram is the charge crit and auto attack node right?

[lucid pasture]

yy

[weak spindle]

With the haste one on tree imo it gives sick rage gen from increased attack speed

Its used In raids

[autumn marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjXI_G8Tkk

Welp it was fun whilst it lasted guys 😄

[weak spindle]

Not sure about keys feel the rest of kit has a little more value aoe bleeds give that rage anyway

Prot owns

[jagged pier]

yes running the lowest tank damage dungeon

cool

[rough solar]

Any reason not to open vault as arms/fury? Have 418 wep/shield

[jagged pier]

u can get a 421 shield if u care

[cosmic fractal]

And he needed three keys to complete it 🙂

[lucid pasture]

oh no anyways

[jagged pier]

its literally all melee

[lucid pasture]

yep

[jagged pier]

execpt last boss

👍

[opal flame]

do you ever press IP button?

[lucid pasture]

last boss you just shield wall once

and thenh easy

[jagged pier]

yes all the time

[weak spindle]

Reflect the dot too

Conductive

[autumn marsh]

The mythic shield is meant to be why it was possible due to insane block values

[lucid pasture]

what if i press revenge

[jagged pier]

u do that all the time as well

[weak spindle]

I mean you gotta press it for 2 set

[lucid pasture]

but

but

[weak spindle]

[lucid pasture]

but

gcd man

[edgy spear]

If you spend rage you gain violent outburst which makes your shield slam generate even more rage.

[weak spindle]

Can press revenge and ip same time

Just rage starve it's k

[edgy spear]

rage begets rage

[grizzled chasm]

is it worth dropping anything for bolster/battle-scarred veteran?

[ionic fern]

No.

[edgy spear]

Bolster is nice in raids if you run ITF. Can help bridge any gaps in shield block uptime. BSV is garbage

[grizzled chasm]

Okay nice, thanks for confirming

[lucid pasture]

i dont understand

[grizzled chasm]

Raid tanking D:

[lucid pasture]

shoo back to fury shoo shoo

[jagged pier]

u dont need bolster in raid expect for like kurog mythic where u actually are tank all the time

[edgy spear]

Can definitely do without on most bosses yeah

[lofty widget]

which of these necks is better defensively? they sim 50 dps within each other

[jagged pier]

the one with more haste

[lucid pasture]

more haste gooder

[edgy spear]

Is tough as nails/bloodborne all that much extra dps in raids compared to bolster, given the shield block/shield slam interaction?

[jagged pier]

u have to take 2 points into bloodbounre to make it worth while

so its pointless

expect on concil huge giga damage pumping

[edgy spear]

yeah council i play a degen talent spec because they dont really hit hard and you just pump them

[lucid pasture]

jakey

when we do 5 tank dung

[jagged pier]

m+

kekw

[lucid pasture]

wtf

[jagged pier]

[lucid pasture]

you are toxic sir

[fallen kayak]

heyo guys raiding and dungeon 411 manic grief torch vs 415 windscar whetstone ? also for razageth hc progress i should use windscar since it deals more dmg to shields right?

[jagged pier]

u run both

[fallen kayak]

i cant pick both from weekly:P

[zinc spruce]

Then torch probs

[edgy spear]

whetstone is much more farmable than grieftorch, so probably grieftorch

[lucid pasture]

you can try

[jagged pier]

what ilvls?

[fallen kayak]

because of str right cause its dmg is lvl?

411 torch vs 415 windscar

[ionic fern]

Because it's broken.

[jagged pier]

411 will do more damage than whetstone

[fallen kayak]

really?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[jagged pier]

and u can farm a whetstone at that i lvl

[fallen kayak]

it says 211k dmg on grieftorch vs 353k on windscar

[weak snow]

👀

[fallen kayak]

thats why i got confused

[jagged pier]

but greiftorch gives strength

and has more value the more ppl are dying

i.e

prog bosses

its busted

u cant block during it tho

[fallen kayak]

hmm

thats bad but i would try to avoid using while tanking thanks a lot for answers

[zinc spruce]

You ain't willing to run cos?

[jagged pier]

its 2 seconds

oull be fine

[lucid pasture]

get a 20 second block up

and its fine

[jagged pier]

no like u just dont block

even with it up

[lucid pasture]

i know what you meant it was a joke

a joke

[zinc spruce]

We ain't joking around here

[lucid pasture]

i am sorry

[zinc spruce]

🔫

[fallen kayak]

i can run cos but im out of valor so i cant get windscar to good ilvl anyway

[zinc spruce]

IM TEASING

🤣

[lucid pasture]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/639f97e788641834ae131c0a/4x.gif

[zinc spruce]

You can run a high-ish one, up to you though

[edgy spear]

Valor will get uncapped at some point. Seeing a grieftorch again might not happen tho

[fallen kayak]

good point

[mellow surge]

what do i even pick?

I already have head and hands but lower ilvl

[zinc spruce]

Where was that announced

Or is it a pattern recognition from how blizzard does things

[edgy spear]

The latter

[zinc spruce]

Okay

[edgy spear]

Would be tempted to pick icon at that ilvl. Particularly if your raid doesn't have a tank with icon

[mellow surge]

I already have the head at 411 ilvl and the hands at 408 ilvl, is that trinket any good for m+?

Im not sure if they are an upgrade or not

[edgy spear]

Meh for m+ afaik

[jagged pier]

[tacit gorge]

for vault we sim st for biggest upgrade? or we watch the ilvls?

and which talentsetup u sim ur prot war?

[jovial steeple]

Got a 421 puzzle Box. Is it palyable on prot warrie?

[jagged pier]

yes

[humble ferry]

Yep

[lyric elm]

When you try to join LFR and get put in front of Raza

[autumn marsh]

cast animations and telegraphcs are so long it works just fine even during fights if timed

[jovial steeple]

So we Play puzzle Box like dps and slow the speed by precssting puzzle Box?

[autumn marsh]

otherwise use before pull

[jovial steeple]

Ok. 👍

Ty

But if we use Box before the pull, we need a good set up i guess. Otherwise we slow down the "pull-speed"?

[gilded tide]

Ring or head I don’t have the belt but can craft and swap 405 weapon I also only have 1 tier piece ring is also 46 ilvl upgrade

[reef holly]

[blazing condor]

Pawn detected

[lyric elm]

its nice to see ilvl upgrade ngl

[forest fern]

question: is the proc from broodkeepers ring worth getting the crafted belt to have it work etc?

[flint grove]

Helm always

[mellow surge]

too late now, but i have the 411 ilvl so i guess its ok

[flint grove]

Yeah when I’m picking I think about what’s easily obtainable too

[vocal nimbus]

would you get 4th tier set or upgrade pants +23 ilvl?

[flint grove]

One might aim higher but getting helm drop at that ilvl is harder than the gloves

[hoary belfry]

would you guys say we are currently stronger than bdk was in s3/s4 SL?

[shy sluice]

what gems do i slam in crafted neck?

[forest fern]

big haste, little vers

1 haste/str primalist if you don't already have one on your gear etc

[dreamy island]

shouldn't it be big vers/little haste? so that the Lariat gives you the haste buff on proc?

[strong forum]

No

Nobody in their right mind would say that

[lyric elm]

Proc is worth about 150 of stat

[strong forum]

No tank was ever as broken as bdk in late SL

Since m+ release*

Idk about prior to that

[vocal nimbus]

warr prot had one amazing week at the start of legion

[forest fern]

ya mean where it did as much healing as the equivalent of 12 raid healers 🙂 ?

[strong forum]

Whilst topping dps, and being immortal vs every situation

And also being the only tank that has access to the most broken weapon in the game since gurthalak

[neon elk]

Druid had also acces to it in s4, kinda

Couldnt use full potential but still

[strong forum]

Yeah but uh

It was druid

[dreamy island]

so we prefer the lariat to proc vers, not haste?

[neon elk]

Wdym druid was lit

[lyric elm]

Depends on what you need 🙂 but that's the number

[neon elk]

Not as broken as dk but rf inc and cache combo was stupid broken

[ember tangle]

Do we know if you can use the catalyst on crafted gear?

[strong forum]

You can't

[ember tangle]

Ok thanks

[lyric elm]

We couldn't in SL so that's unlikely

So you want to keep your m drops

Etc

[ember tangle]

Sl crafted gear was different in that you could only wear one piece of relevant ilvl gear

But it kinda makes sense that you cant just make full 418 tier

[lyric elm]

It would be nice if they enabled it for crafting

But that discourages people from doing content i suppose

[strong forum]

Why would it

[ember tangle]

Well you still have to get the primal focus and such

[strong forum]

You need to do the content to get it to 418

[lyric elm]

Diversity of content

Or people just run SBM

[ember tangle]

Also didnt they say that you have to do something to get catalyst charges aswell?

Tbh at 16 you can spam any dungeon

[lyric elm]

I suppose

[light haven]

this one feels very tricky, need all of the items, m+ tier chest looks like a safe bet but crafting tierpieces will come next week iirc? and grieftorch seems very rare.. any ideas?:D

[untold adder]

is there a point where we have "enough" haste that crit starts to weigh better? i have 4400 haste now and i start to see my sims suggest i go crit

[ember tangle]

None of that stuff is hard to come by, so i would pick whatever is the biggest upgrade

[strong forum]

Sims will almost always suggest crit

Cuz it's our best offensive stat

[untold adder]

alright. So a bit bait?

[limpid anchor]

My sims recommend mastery vers on 2 items now

[strong forum]

Clear the raid, see what you get

[light haven]

yea good point ty

[strong forum]

No they're not bait, haste is our best defensive stat, crit offensive

[ember tangle]

Also you can only craft one piece the first week, so chest might still be the call

[daring marlin]

I love shield walling constant

thank you haste gods

[strong forum]

You want to hardstop getting more haste once you have 40% unbuffed

[light haven]

yea i got 2 set atm, but i'll clear the raid before picking

[strong forum]

Which isn't reachable I think

[untold adder]

alright lol im at 25% unbuffed so ill keep going

[daring marlin]

This expac is funny in the amount of secondaries we have so early.

[strong forum]

SL wasnt much different

I had 37% haste in CN

[marble cipher]

I'm even lower, every ilvl bump I got so far was gear with crit/mastery 🤷‍♂️

[untold adder]

thanks mr. vault

[marble cipher]

Btw @strong forum, I ran battering ram over thunderlord in some 18 keys yesterday, and yes, I do like it way more. Thanks for the tip

[wicked plank]

What should I pick in my GV ? I have currently equipped legs 415 and shoulders 421 (non sets, crit mastery legs / crit versa shoulders). I can pick shoulders 411 and equip legs 408 to get 4p. Or I can pick gloves 421 to get 4p instead of gloves 415 (haste crit). OR ultimately I can pick chest 421 crit haste in wait to convert it in sets next week ?

[untold adder]

both chest, legs and shoulders has bIS stats on tier pieces

i would probably not go gloves as they are crit/mastery and instead find some other item non-tier for that (or helmet)

[wicked plank]

the thing is I planned to convert the shoulder to set to get 4p (if it is possible ofc)

[jovial steeple]

What 2. Ticket from m+ loot table should i aim for if im wearing an 421 puzzle Box?

[eager phoenix]

does seal of diurna always come with socket

[untold adder]

no

[daring marlin]

Lads. Favorite dungeon this expac?

[jovial steeple]

Nokhud (so many goooood reflects)

[untold adder]

ya i must say, i really like nokhud.

ive come to rather enjoy AA as well

[daring marlin]

It is pretty satisfying to reflect lightning boss and last boss too.

[untold adder]

yessss

baiting the reflect on lightning boss for DPS is fun

[strong forum]

Nokhud as 5tank is super fun

Like actually so fucking fun it's dumb

[glacial pumice]

There are nice weak auras for spell reflect, what about spell block? Any tips/resources on when to use it?

[blazing condor]

Spell block is used when you know youre gonna take heavy magic damage

Just gotta get the experience

[sweet summit]

just check the sr sheet

has block too

[pseudo garden]

I fucking hate bird boss in AA. Idk how I could have played better to survive only an 18 too

I feel like the uptime on peck is too high

[flint grove]

Health potion wall and self heal

Never died to peck personally

[cold pollen]

anyone has a easy HoV route for pug 20+

[crystal solstice]

bird wasn't too bad for me but for the rest of the group the screams were rough on a 17

[flint grove]

We usually eat the first two rally third personals fourth

Depends on healer

[crystal solstice]

yeah i rallied the 3rd and then we would go play with balls to reset

[flint grove]

Yeah we usually go 4 stacks but that was fort can’t remember tyrannical tbh

[torpid fiber]

Can you hit 2400 io with 17s across the board?

[vital oak]

you need 300 per dungeon, so i think so if you time them well

[crystal solstice]

yeah i have a 17/16 timed (for nokhud) and it gives me 297 io total so id imagine all 17s timed would prob get you 2400

[blazing condor]

yeah

i still have a 14 HoV i never cared to redo on fort

rest is like ~18 on average

and im 2400+

[crystal solstice]

i didnt realize it was separate io for fort/tyrannical so i've been avoiding some dungeons until this week

[blazing condor]

[delicate brook]

Valarjar

I require your wisdom

ruby whelp shell

what do I do with it

why is it good

why is it bad

m+/st?

[weary saddle]

https://youtu.be/C1Vt6xN-Mjs

lots on youtube now

[sweet summit]

dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=sleepy_ruby_warmth:6 Crit
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=under_red_wings:6 Haste
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=curing_whiff:6 AoE Proc
dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=fire_shot:6 ST proc

[delicate brook]

I find youtube guides to not be the most trustworthy of sources

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1065229645693341726/image.png

and then do droptimizer(s) or top gear(s)

[jagged pier]

that title is a bit over the top

[gritty glen]

Because it's clickbait

[blazing condor]

people would do that?

just to get more views?

i feel sick

[torpid fiber]

Literally vomiting and crying right now. What has the world come to

[sweet summit]

bubblehearth moment

[delicate brook]

I mean this video explains what the item does, not what kind of "dragon builds" I want for which content no? O_o

[strong forum]

Cuz they don't know either

Cuz we're still working on it

[delicate brook]

fair enough

that is good wisdom

[torpid fiber]

Not fair. We need numbers from the math wizards now

[bold wasp]

What is the best proc? Haste buff or aoe dmg?

For ruby whelp trinket

[sweet summit]

scroll up and sim it

[strong forum]

But so far I'd think we've come to the conclusion that the heal is bad because it snapshots targets 1sec before it heals, so the chance on overheal is giga and it can also target pets

[delicate brook]

that is even better wisdom

I suppose I have to make a call between haste and aoe dmg choice for m+

[wind vigil]

help me choose pls

[sweet summit]

ilvl

[bright citrus]

Is the Kurog Trinket any good? I see people running it in higher keys but I only have the heroic version, is it better than ruby?

[jagged pier]

for keys yes

[terse remnant]

See for koika in rlp, does block reduce the damage of the searing blows dot?

[late wasp]

I'm probably wrong but block mitigates the initial hit but not the dot

[lofty widget]

thats right

[terse remnant]

Sadge