Because a 2H is at least an OS wep
#protection
compact jackal
421 2h? To the garbage it goes!
pallid quiver
Sometimes I want to yell at the people I know who are all on the prot war hype train in M+
And just see them play like shit
compact jackal
Sometimes I want to yell at the people I know who are all on the prot war hype t...
sits in d stance and 15K dpses u
pallid quiver
Bruh i'd be hype if some of the prot wars ive seen pulled 15k dps
pulsar sedge
I've only dpsed a few keys.. and anytime i give advice to bad tanks.. they insta leave and say F U, i know what im doing
sick sentinel
Sometimes I want to yell at the people I know who are all on the prot war hype t...
Well brew stonks are rising, cant wait to see all the people mismanaging stagger
compact jackal
Well brew stonks are rising, cant wait to see all the people mismanaging stagger
healer mechanic
pallid quiver
its me, i mismanage stagger
naive panther
ran my first key with battering, felt like I was missing a good chunk of rage gen and defensive value without thunderlord, can't decide what to do, nok 20, didn't time cause dh doing same damge as me and mage 20k lower
pallid quiver
of course my monk is still level 60 but
compact jackal
that's my single target DPS 🙂
runic cosmos
would you guys say manic grieftorch is good or bad for m+
strong forum
It's good damage, but can kill you in high keys if you use it at inopportune times
Cuz you can't block during it
compact jackal
would you guys say manic grieftorch is good or bad for m+
good to use on-pull
using it mid-pull ^
pallid quiver
Good, especially if you... "accidentally" lead a frontal or two over your mage 🙂
strong forum
But if you play around that it's huge
sick sentinel
Oh yeah meant on pull, before stuff starts hitting you more than like once
compact jackal
whetstone is the comfy safe version of it
naive panther
my buff uptime for demo on the nok 20 was about same as sbg 20 before
sick sentinel
Whetstone and boon is the real play
pallid quiver
It does not, iirc
runic cosmos
is whetstone from the raid?
sick sentinel
Its from cos
pallid quiver
Whetstone is cos
runic cosmos
huh weird, i dont see it in the adventure guide
grave flower
runic cosmos
ohh i see
compact jackal
sick sentinel
grieftorch icon whetstone and decoration seem to be the main 4 trinkets from what ive read in here
compact jackal
icon is kind of meh until you get the additionals imo
runic cosmos
what are the additionals for icon?
dire matrix
people with it
compact jackal
dps/healer having it
sick sentinel
Having a healer and a dps also run it
compact jackal
because then the trinket is still not the best for you
but it helps your dps/healers a lot
sick sentinel
Yeah
compact jackal
which means you can then claim any dps/hps they gain from having your vers buff from it is your dps/healing
sick sentinel
The most popular combo used by far statistically is decoration+whetstone
sick sentinel
which means you can then claim any dps/hps they gain from having your vers buff ...
Need a weakaura to post that at end of keys lol
runic cosmos
and what is decoration dropped from?
zinc spruce
you guys ever go disrupting shout
dire matrix
no
quick iron
mythics like shadow moon I take it for things like the bats
quick iron
I run with an arcane mage, any damage is an issue lol
lavish oracle
Okay, which of these do I take? (I already have a 418 weapon and I'm wearing 402 shoulders, so I'm pretty sure I just take shoulders but strike twice also has leech D: )
strong forum
Oof
compact jackal
Okay, which of these do I take? (I already have a 418 weapon and I'm wearing 402...
well
strong forum
Probably weppy ngl
compact jackal
the only thing better is a 421 strike twice
418 strike twice with leech is borderline reportable
lavish oracle
fair
compact jackal
I think that might be the vault winner now ngl
zinc spruce
when is the reset in europe
strong forum
^
dire matrix
418 tier is sick
dire matrix
i pray i get 421 tier
not helmet tho tahnk you kindly
27 ilvl upgrade on pants
would be gigaomegahuge
sick sentinel
halls of valor my favorite dungeon
dire matrix
wait its more
i cant math
halls of valor more like
halls of tight timer
fuck u blizzard
😡
pallid quiver
meanwhile, SBG timer:
dire matrix
wipe once in hov 20 cya run
pallid quiver
hang on, give it seven more days, we might only +2 it
dire matrix
brisk sparrow
how do you guys deal with dark claw? the last serpent shrine packs tears me apart, with reflect on cd - just killed it by kiting, but is there a better way?
sick sentinel
shrine of the storm, 42 minute timer
pallid quiver
how do you guys deal with dark claw? the last serpent shrine packs tears me apar...
If your group can't kill it before you run out of CDs, you're probably kiting
dire matrix
40mins in wipe to boss
lavish oracle
how do you guys deal with dark claw? the last serpent shrine packs tears me apar...
I've started taking the 2 charges of shield wall talent in there
dire matrix
:pog
pulsar sedge
Pull them with ravager to sinc up the first claw, reflect it. then spell reflect. then kite
brisk sparrow
I see thanks^^
dire matrix
dont worry time adjustments are coming soon 
pallid quiver
they'll simply nerf things like SBG timer to make it even tighter than AV
pallid quiver
that's a timer adjustment
real wren
spell block, shield wall, healer external. you can also stop the cast w/ crowd control if you're tracking the cooldown and ready for the cast
dire matrix
o wait sr is back
strong forum
Or just heroic leap into the middle
pulsar sedge
Just make sure you have something up before you "man mode" in ;D
strong forum
Be a real man, leap above the stairs, pull the boss
dire matrix
true
pulsar sedge
LOL
dire matrix
pretend your in the mdi
real wren
whisper the healer "1 drop of healing?" and dalaran hearth out
strong forum
Leap into boss, pop boon, reflect claws, win
dire matrix
lust and immediately floor pov
dire matrix
i managed a 15s pull of 3rd sbg boss the other day
evoker goes gets the next pack to boss
strong forum
For I think for other reasons
pulsar sedge
Need nom commentating peoples keys. I'd tune in ;D
strong forum
Need nom commentating peoples keys. I'd tune in ;D
We've been thinking about maybe doing a podcast
Since we do know some people
pulsar sedge
They are saving your booty hole ;D
pulsar sedge
Competent* ;D
dire matrix
also depends on key level obviously
strong forum
Comfpetend
dire matrix
that
zinc spruce
is there an insane amount of tanks this expansion or am i mistaken
pastel dove
Got some questions do we have some accurate sims about ruby's welp for fury yet ?
south zealot
is there an insane amount of tanks this expansion or am i mistaken
seems relatively similar
dire matrix
no its not simming correctly yet
strong forum
For the first time in 3 expansions tanks don't feel like rancid dogwater at the beginning of an xpac
dire matrix
this is also prot
pulsar sedge
I think we have a ton of tanks at the sub 10 key level, but they die off when you get into 15's and higher. imo
strong forum
So yeah there's a decent chunk of tanks around for once
proud dock
the list of CD rotation for TSJ 3rd boss is during p2 or just for all serp kick?
south zealot
For the first time in 3 expansions tanks don't feel like rancid dogwater at the ...
was it really that bad before
dire matrix
yes
pulsar sedge
Very
south zealot
never played in the X.0.0 patch
dire matrix
could hold aggro or tank the mobs
south zealot
oh is that why dh was meta
dire matrix
yes
south zealot
bc they just flew around
dire matrix
cuz it could hold aggro
strong forum
Pmuch
south zealot
dire matrix
and kite
fathom nova
Anyone have a weak aura for shield slam procs?
strong forum
Anyone have a weak aura for shield slam procs?
Those are built in
dire matrix
for warrior
south zealot
i started in 9.1.5
strong forum
Wow has that baseline
pulsar sedge
When the biggest advice people gave you as a tank was.. Kite more and hold threat while kiting.. you know it was bad
south zealot
well restarted i guess
dire matrix
what animation
strong forum
In like an arc
dire matrix
am i blind
strong forum
Yes
dire matrix
literally never noticed it
fathom nova
literally never noticed it
Same boat
strong forum
I just have my buttons below my character
dire matrix
my buttons are hidden
dire matrix
action bars mouseover gaming
fathom nova
I don't pay attention to my buttons, that's all built in muscle memory lmao
strong forum
Yeah it's not like weakauras don't display your buttons.
strong forum
..
south zealot
i cant get used to bars in the middle of my screen
dire matrix
its good
south zealot
i started slowly moving up my bars a few units at a time
dire matrix
i like mine mostly
dont really like my interupt tracker location
but idk
rest is good
sick sentinel
6 more 11 keys for next 405
dire matrix
gz
strong forum
Getting there
strong forum
I've not done many keys so I'm not loaded on em
sick sentinel
why are the dungeons in the game, if not to be ran and plundered?
dire matrix
uh i didnt do like 80 week 1
compact jackal
I don't need anything from heroic vault anymore 
sick sentinel
see what happens when it comes to me
dire matrix
depends if u want invites to keys
compact jackal
and draenei is +10 dps
sick sentinel
hunter, all hunters are welcome into my parties
strong forum
If you play spriest you also have some self respect
compact jackal
depends if u want invites to keys
I link my ksh and aotc and say give invite you greylet
dire matrix
light breeze
strong forum
Only chads play spriest
dire matrix
depends what keys u want to get into
compact jackal
greylets don't deserve human rights frfr
compact jackal
if you link ksh for 20+
that's when I link the cash amount in my bank account
dire matrix
spriest is kinda blasting
warm plinth
Ksh with 18s kek
compact jackal
Ksh with 18s kek
the funny thing is thinking I have all 18s lel
just skip vault 5head
elfin atlas
Question for the brain trust. Are we still trying to stack haste as much as possible?
wooden widget
Is catalyst next week?
elfin atlas
Cool thanks
plush tendon
Instructions unclear.... crit is now my highest stat
strong forum
Catalyst comes with 10.0.5 which is on the 24th/25th
dire matrix
well you have more haste value
plush tendon
actually, I have 13 more crit then haste
: ^)
but I got 415 Auto Attack Ring and Mythic Fire ball ring 
dire matrix
i have 29% haste
it is sad
i wish to have 35%
and gigachad talent swap
and then die when i fuck up
strong forum
More than me
plush tendon
I even crafted all my stuff with Haste/Vers like a loser
dire matrix
frostfire belt hurts ur haste
plush tendon
yea, but not my damage
dire matrix
i think im a mixture
balance :pog
think my craftedis vers
most of my normal gear is crit
plush tendon
sorry fam
dire matrix
i spread defensives
plush tendon
ya boi is getting railed this boss
plush tendon
I got a 21 NO though
dire matrix
or 2 in double pull
plush tendon
so easy first key of the week
rancid wolf
382 icon or 389 rumbling ruby?
toxic pewter
Yah I think Crawth literally boggles healers and even dps's mind at how much dam she puts out
rancid wolf
icon seems superior
sick sentinel
i saw a 66k execute in todays dungeon
strong forum
I had a 236k shield slam today, today was a good day
dire matrix
i dont really look too hard at the number
so i probs did more
i need a weak aura that shouts when i do a big hit
like BAM
WHAM
sick sentinel
extra angry SS
strong forum
When you have demo + avatar + thundering + sophic proc
dire matrix
and announces it in yell
strong forum
You do look at your outburst
strong forum
Andy boutta do cos+27 btw
dire matrix
bout to hit em with the fat deplete
andybrew finally not brew
he has a lot of hp
tank getting mythic raid gear smh
i missed 2 or 3 vaults tho tbf
idr which
why does he have the voice thing
its awfull
lilac jay
Is ITF this much stronger when u have 35% base haste? And why
vagrant gazelle
Does all totem trinket from kurog proc based on blocking too? Does block count as dodge?
strong forum
Only parry/dodge
dire matrix
it has an internal cd right
strong forum
I mean in m+ you always proc it on CD
frosty mango
Is it rppm or icd?
strong forum
30sec icd
forest bay
Is there a generally agreed upon key level where you should just stay in defensive stance?
strong forum
Andy tanked a big pull on cos+27 in b-stance
forest bay
thank god
dire matrix
he almost died
forest bay
my lazy ass is not willing to stance dance rn
strong forum
D-stance is a defensive you toggle, but you should aim to be in b-stance as much as you can
forest bay
But he didn't so that's perfect gaming
strong forum
Setting up the pull is always the scariest
forest bay
see that remembering part is the thing I always forget
dire matrix
for sure
strong forum
Cuz you don't have bleeds and rage gen setup
forest bay
yeah thats fair, just use it like any other defensive button
dire matrix
yes
vagrant gazelle
If block counted that would be insane
figured, i jsut wanted to ask my other prot warrior friend was telling me its his bis
forest bay
gathering pull in RLP ot triple hyrja pull or smth
dire matrix
it is bis
strong forum
It's bis, but doesn't proc from blocking
vagrant gazelle
is it? its so low on logs
strong forum
It's bad in raid
mighty valley
logs don't count the buffs
strong forum
But good in m+
vagrant gazelle
oh i guess i should specify i meant raid over m+
dire matrix
you insta proc in m+
feral dune
take icon?
dire matrix
cuz a ton of hits to parry
strong forum
In raid its poopoo
mighty valley
take icon?
one tank in your raid should have icon for sure
feral dune
only good for raiding?
forest bay
on subcreation it's in the top 4trinkets for prot warrior
feral dune
this the rest no tier and i was lazy and didn't fill with 15s
forest bay
assuming those groups have one of each though
dire matrix
sub is just stats
forest bay
well yeah but at this point wouldn't it reflect what's actually good?
strong forum
For your group buffs
strong forum
well yeah but at this point wouldn't it reflect what's actually good?
Not everybody has access to all trinkets
strong forum
It's a drop from 2nd boss
dire matrix
and also subcreation shows what 15s at the low end?
strong forum
Same as flame of decoration is high cuz it's literally first boss drop
forest bay
the stats I'm looking at are 20-26
so for most people, that top list should be passable at worst - prob better than average
fading sundial
does spell block block jade serpent kick?
dire matrix
yes
strong forum
Again, icon is only good if your group also has the procs
Icon in itself isn't all that hot
forest bay
ye facts, I'm guessing the people using it in high keys have a group with it
dire matrix
i was running kinda medium trinkets in 20s
strong forum
But the impact isn't large enough to matter
dire matrix
cuz reroll
strong forum
Proper play matters way more
forest bay
of course
dire matrix
u cant just magic up all totem and whetstone
forest bay
tell me about it
strong forum
I can
dire matrix
or w/e your wanting
forest bay
im running full dps set up with maxed horn + spiteful storm
dire matrix
i mean i have both
forest bay
cause I just have no other trinket drops 😦
dire matrix
you lcd yourself grief
dire matrix
that is a yikes for your guild
forest bay
^^^^
dire matrix
would unironically gquit that rq
ok thats good
?
you need it for decent mythic raiding
to be optimal
forest bay
idk I raided with a loot council guild for a couple tiers, and the officers were fair so it worked great
they even pulled a raider in every raid to help with it
proud dock
for RLP, do u use CD once the 2nd boss does ther strike or after a high amt ofstacks? like 3 or 4
ocean prairie
How do we handle explosives? Is 1 heroics throw enough?
strong forum
Heroic throw is enough
ocean prairie
Ok thanks
icy citrus
Guys i need help. I came across situation where i have every major trinket possible in my bag (for the first time in my life). What should be the best combo for m+?
forest bay
weird flex
forest bay
all-totem + whetstone right?
dire matrix
boon is risky
af
can grieftorch for giga memes
i like whetstone
the hoof is good too
forest bay
all-totem + on use defensive trinket if you're a pussy
what's the damage value on a maxed whetstone?
dire matrix
lots
icy citrus
Well i play exactly that with decoration. But then there is Scale, Whelp shell, Whispering icon and Hoof sitting there
earnest nymph
is a literal 40ilvl chest piece upgrade worth losing 2pc bonus for a week? it's either that, an ilvl upgrade to existing helm piece, or ilvl upgrade for shoulders
zinc spruce
where can i post a log of mine for some guidance
forest bay
yeaahhhh you'll make up for the 4% dr with just stats lol
amber sand
Crawth is giving me heart attacks, that tb is so hard
forest bay
I thought prot tier was garbo cause I thought it was adding to active ignore pain
but it's just ignore pain in general
dire matrix
its good
earnest nymph
ik, I've had tough vaults like this for every week but 1st
earnest nymph
so it's poh as hell
I think it adds ignore pain, not adds to active
forest bay
I think it adds ignore pain, not adds to active
Ye it was my misunderstanding, it's really good lol
dude in M+
dire matrix
any1 got a copy pasta of why its good
forest bay
permanently capped IP
cinder nova
It's good, just not particularly blow-out like SFO was
dire matrix
cant say 5% will give me perma ip
but it allows your talented 15% to have more uptime
vs your ip dropping normally
forest bay
in aoe it has pretty successfully for me
sweet dagger
Just got a dragon welp from my vault - what r u training ur in?
forest bay
obv still gotta push the button but just easier to maintain
forest bay
Just got a dragon welp from my vault - what r u training ur in?
I wanna say haste buff, but I don't have it that's just my guess
dire matrix
i believe it is aoe
sweet dagger
yea i was thinking haste or aoe
trim hill
I did a 20 tyr and the Jade strike without shield wall in def stance almost 1 shot me
forest bay
Well healer can dispell the dot, the scarier thing is the heal absorb
i run with a healer that insta dispells that shit
zinc spruce
what is the quesiton
i might be butchering the rotation, skill usage, but i wouldn't know.
i guess its hard to tell on a m+ log but its what i got for now 🙏
earnest nymph
okay I think I'm just going to close my eyes and randomly click the screen until I have chosen a vault reward
dire matrix
its recently discovered so its kinda rough
strong forum
Ik, I'm part of that troupe
forest bay
forest bay
zinc spruce
whats cpm
forest bay
my rotation
dire matrix
casts per minute
earnest nymph
how do you see this on wcl?
oak echo
Well healer can dispell the dot, the scarier thing is the heal absorb
the jade dot is dispellable for sure?
forest bay
Last week I was running an 18 with my healer friend and I started taking some hits on a boss.
He goes "why are you getting trucked rn"
I say "Oh i dropped defensives to execute" 
forest bay
the jade dot is dispellable for sure?
Is the jade one not?
zinc spruce
what CPM is considered alright? to have an idea of how low
strong forum
YOU ORANGE BASTARD
oak echo
if it is my healer has some splainin to do but i can't imagine they just don't dispel it literally every time
dire matrix
u cant dispel the healing absorb
earnest nymph
is the SB uptime that low with how much downtime there is in that dungeon?
dire matrix
just the dot
strong forum
It's a modified version of fragnances from bfa
forest bay
ye not the absorb
oak echo
i'm saying the dot
sweet dagger
It's a modified version of fragnances from bfa
yo Whats ur thoughts on the welp shell AOE or Haste?
proud dock
i feel like spell block is kinda good for big add pulls in AV
dire matrix
yes
cinder nova
It's a modified version of fragnances from bfa
Can you throw it up on wago?
strong forum
Aoe has ~16% uptime
dire matrix
especially if a frontal goes off
cinder nova
I like the WA pack but fuck me if it doesn't work with my frames
strong forum
Aoe is 20% worse than ST proc on ST, 5% better on 2 targets
strong forum
Can you throw it up on wago?
Maybe tomorrow, im in bedge
strong forum
If you have the belt to proc it, yes
It's free dps
I have 70-75cpm on average
Active cpm*
cosmic fractal
Can Ruby proc the ring?
halcyon dust
If you have the belt to proc it, yes
Negative on belt. Ring is in my vault, so is a 415 tier helm (already have 4 pc, but helm is 398 atm)
south zealot
how do you guys deal with hyrja tank blast
sweet dagger
Aoe is 20% worse than ST proc on ST, 5% better on 2 targets
ST?
strong forum
Ruby can proc the ring, but it's just 1ppm
cinder nova
Maybe tomorrow, im in bedge
bruh
cosmic fractal
Ah
dire matrix
i have 55 cpm in 21 halls for comparison
south zealot
maybe i just played bad but shield wall wasnt back up on the third blast
cinder nova
I'll suck toes mate
forest bay
i'm saying the dot
Asked my healer, I was wrong P2 dot is not dispellable
guess I just didn't notice it cause it was fort last week
dire matrix
63.7 while active
oak echo
ok i was about to question my whole existence lol
steel mauve
i can get around 58-60 cpm during active raid fights, but i have a hell of a lot more crit than i do haste lol
oak echo
ty
sweet dagger
Single target
oh dang thats a hard pick then
dire matrix
hm
strong forum
Ye in the NO 21 I had 71.8cpm
strong forum
Ive had 94% uptime in nokhud, and 94.53% blocked hits
south zealot
not even 100%
strong forum
Squeak!
cosmic fractal
I've seen the macro tho :p
strong forum
Mooman would never do that
dire matrix
ill revenge 0 times next key
plush tendon
wait, im confused... my socketed 415 Auto Attack Ring sims less then my 418 Fire Shield ring
plush tendon
that shouldnt be right.... right?
dire matrix
the auto ring doesnt sim good for my dh
despite it clearly beign good
havent extensively simmed my warrior
as its been obvious what to equip
its good stats even
71 seems pretty doable
u get whacked a lot
whack = rage
rage = cpm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strong forum
Yes
earnest nymph
my 20 NO is at like 54 cpm
dire matrix
jk found it
wasnt good
idk what i was doing
not gonna share that one with the class
dire matrix
i thought u meant the othe rnumber
so i was like 🤨
theres literally
a thing u hover over
for active
no filtering
strong forum
^
cinder nova
71 isn't too hard if you're actually pressing your buttons.
cinder nova
I feel like a lot of people are just not using their abilities.
dire matrix
i will look at my rage overcap
cinder nova
used to playing very reservist reactionary tank styles
As opposed to just going full bore
dire matrix
no reactionary here
me whack
grr
cope
was looking at recource graph like wtf
was hitpoints
🤦♂️
earnest nymph
how do you change active or not?
dire matrix
i very rarely overcap
apparently i wasted alot
does that count draining out of combat
sec
cinder nova
I always forget that VDH has built-in CPM pad
fading sundial
cannot block jade kick with spell block btw
cinder nova
You aren't supposed to.
dire matrix
yes you can btw
fading sundial
you cant
cinder nova
You need to walk out of it lol
cinder nova
Why are you trying to block avoidable damage
dire matrix
i thought he meant 3rd boss
tropic tangle
you aren't supposed to block jade kick
tropic tangle
you're supposed to block jade serpent strike
dire matrix
words are hard
cinder nova
sweet dagger
^
i see ur in the bear toupe disc. If you had a pick aoe / st or haste what would you pick
cinder nova
Honestly whether or not it's blockable is barely a metric to care about if you can just avoid it entirely.
earnest nymph
is gaining 152 str, 540 stam, 470 haste worth losing 2pc? all I can sim is damage
earnest nymph
40
dire matrix
i would say no
cinder nova
is gaining 152 str, 540 stam, 470 haste worth losing 2pc? all I can sim is damag...
4% DR is never going to make or break whether you survive. If it parses higher, use it.
If not, don't.
dire matrix
🤨
cinder nova
Playing correctly is far, far more impactful than 4% DR.
royal rune
What's the uptime on the 2pc buff
dire matrix
100%
earnest nymph
yeah I mean other things are simming dps higher, which is why I'm asking about it here from a survivability perspective
dire matrix
if your good
strong forum
i see ur in the bear toupe disc. If you had a pick aoe / st or haste what would ...
We're not fully sure of what's the best play, fireshot is the most consistent but obv the buffs are big in aoe
dire matrix
less if not
cinder nova
Survivability is you pressing buttons properly.
dire matrix
close to 100 anyway
cinder nova
Passive survival is not something you should be even considering.
earnest nymph
it's a 421 chest piece that would replace 382 tier
cinder nova
Thinking about this vector is a waste of your time, trust me.
pseudo edge
chest for sure
cinder nova
Unless you're getting absolutely molly whopped by unavoidable damage, it's irrelevant.
tropic tangle
I say go for it, you can always catalyst the 421 chest
earnest nymph
that's what I was trying to understand
cinder nova
Plus you can catalyst it.
cinder nova
He's not dropping 40 ilvls.
dire matrix
i would guess around 10 per slot
cinder nova
He's dropping tier for ilvl
dire matrix
yes
pseudo edge
<5-10
dire matrix
so the inverse is true
earnest nymph
it's not currently simming higher in dps, but sims also don't have CC added so I can't sim yet what it would it would be as a CC tier piece
cinder nova
I'd honestly just take it anyway to catalyst it
cinder nova
I'd throw it on if the difference in DPS is very small.
earnest nymph
you can jump down and avoid all the frogs if you want
tired wasp
I pull 'em all.
earnest nymph
the rings
tired wasp
you can jump down and avoid all the frogs if you want
But why? They don't do anything.
dire matrix
were not talking about the rings
earnest nymph
I know
dire matrix
so u cant jump down
earnest nymph
did you read what I said
dire matrix
can you jump from ring b4 2nd boss too 3rd?
cosmic fractal
Yes
dire matrix
ur gonna miss count doing that tho
earnest nymph
you can jump down from the rings and not pull any of the frogs if you don't want to. You jump off of first ring to 2nd boss, do 2nd boss, clear 2nd ring, then jump down to 3rd boss
you clear more towards the beginning
cosmic fractal
You kill everything until 2nd basically
dire matrix
u mean do whelps
cosmic fractal
Yup
earnest nymph
if you don't want to do the 4x fury, then you can just grab the two breakers after 3rd boss
mighty valley
i pull all the frogs too but act as if they're not there and move to next room when everything else is dead
mighty valley
frogs just get chipped down from incidental cleave and also it's very funny
earnest nymph
the problem is that they're slow
fading tide
How nightmarish is the third boss of Jade temple?
cinder storm
It will keep you awake at night
fading tide
What about Shadowmoon not to bad?
sick sentinel
fort SBG spiders is gross
someone made a full addon for thundering affix
so im now running that
its called happy thundering
orchid plaza
Hi! I am new to Prot warrior and wanted to get an answer about ignore pain. Some resources/people told me to upkeep ignore pain with shield block as much as possible while others have told me to use it reactively if I am taking too much damage
orchid plaza
kk so, just like SB, I should keep IP up as well?
dire matrix
yes
sick sentinel
you only hit IP when you are taking damage and have tons of rage to dump
orchid plaza
Lol, interested I always get these two answers
dire matrix
anyone who says sb is reactive is wrong
dire matrix
ip has more play
orchid plaza
I know SB is something to keep up since there isnt a damage cap on it but some people say that IP should always be up as much as possible
kk
sick sentinel
ignore pain is generally suited better to deal with magic damage and shield block melee
torpid junco
How can you keybind your stances
orchid plaza
I assume overspending on IP is a good strat for newer warrior tanks to stay alive?
dire matrix
you can just keep an eye on your rage/ip value
orchid plaza
till I get used to rage itself
dire matrix
dont overcap rage
orchid plaza
Well I guess I mean just naturally defaulting to IP over revenge is good for new players cause some people i know who play it say to not always just spend it on IP
dire matrix
ip is ogcd
you cant really spend all your rage you get on revenge
youd overcap
so you can dump into ip
orchid plaza
kk
cosmic fractal
How can you keybind your stances
I use this macro:
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2] Berserker Stance; [spec:1/3] Battle Stance
dire matrix
which is good cuz u spend rage to refund avatar cd
and spamming revenge isnt good rotationally anyway
vapid magnet
Blazebinder hoof is a pretty good trinket for us right?
mighty valley
Well I guess I mean just naturally defaulting to IP over revenge is good for new...
if you simply boil it down to "press IP whenever I'd otherwise overcap on rage" you're doing it right in 99% of situations
ripe cave
are the sims accurate for unstable frostfire belt/diurnas?
mighty valley
you want enough rage in reserve so you can keep SB up and fill all GCDs with ss,tc,revenge
then you skim off the top with IP to never overcap
mighty valley
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz
only one of these is an ilvl upgrade, am i missing something
old flame
oh damnit, you're right!
sick sentinel
you could take set
old flame
?
mighty valley
they already have those exact tier shoulders
mighty valley
nice when it's easy
orchid plaza
@mighty valley kk ty
old flame
thanks harrow
sick sentinel
yeah, boots only thing maybe worth it
mighty valley
"IP uptime" isn't a metric that means anything
sick sentinel
i dunno stats on them boots, rip, crit versa
mighty valley
it's a 13 ilvl upgrade on a main stat piece, it's gonna always be worth it
dire matrix
2ndary stats dont matter that much vs ilvl all good
sick sentinel
rank 1 enchant = 300 gold, rank 2 enchant 500g, rank 3 enchant, 13k, i think thats a pretty good vault tho
enchanting is very expensive if you don't have a method to fuel it
cinder nova
It'll get cheaper the easier it gets to get purples.
sick sentinel
like, you could absolutely print money timing keys, DE the shit gear, enchant, sell between runs on AH
the point i am making is that it forever destroys a purple item , nobody cares about a blue or a green really
sick sentinel
if you want to really really really make somebody angry in a keystone disenchant a trinket they wanted
dire matrix
not even garunteed crystal
lavish oracle
hey, in case it's relevant for anyone
sick sentinel
people go bananas if you do it, WHY DID YOU DO THAT!!
lavish oracle
flame deco hits explosive orbs
dire matrix
lul
mighty valley
flame deco hits explosive orbs
whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
proud dock
anyone else make a mouseover macro for SS for explosive?
mighty valley
that's pretty fuckin schnice
proud dock
or am i over doing it?
mighty valley
yeah tab to them early enough and your swing timer will come up in time
dire matrix
fk having 2 ss keys
proud dock
its 1 key lmao
dire matrix
id rather not randomly ss different mobs czu my mouse is on them
personally
if u want to tho
go for it
just personal prefernce
tender cove
lol, got a free recraft T5 418 shield in exchange for one untimed 16 of my choice xD
feels like a decent deal tbh
sick sentinel
sanguine is so much more welcome than grevious
mighty valley
last named trash guy
sick sentinel
thats fine
sick sentinel
i fear no offensive
tender cove
i fear no offensive
i fear your confidence
wait what
its sang AGAIN tomorrow? gtfo
clear pasture
is the potion absorption inhibitor embellishment ~1% too?
tender cove
is the potion absorption inhibitor embellishment ~1% too?
i read you can stack that, i wonder if that makes it 2% or more
clear pasture
all things being equal, frostfire with rings + any other embellishment + pocket flavor thing is best?
frostfire+rings is 2% iirc?
mighty valley
yeah, fire ring is basically another free embellishment
hasty zephyr
hey ya folks.. question about rings. i got a 402 with sockey woe-bringer band.. i have a 382 downburst ring. and the cobalt ring.. thought on which i should run
mighty valley
402 and cobalt probably
fathom robin
Dragon games equipment trinket. Anyone try this? Seems clunky
sick sentinel
thats the happy thundering addon thingy with the smile face
it starts loudly beeping when final seconds to connect is
clear pasture
thx friends
ripe cave
how is it possible that the allied bracers sim higher for damage then frostfire belt with diurnas? ><
mighty valley
are you simming st or aoe
ripe cave
tried both
south zealot
Dragon games equipment trinket. Anyone try this? Seems clunky
it is clunky
zinc spruce
I saw Lepan using a WA that shows his Ignore Pain on his HP bar
but i cant seem to find it
tropic tangle
how is it possible that the allied bracers sim higher for damage then frostfire ...
is it a big ilvl jump?
ripe cave
not at all, ilvls exact same. infact its a ilvl increase i think
melandrus really that powerful over diurnas?
tropic tangle
no i mean, are your wrists a low ilvl piece of gear that you're simming as 418 bracers?
whereas maybe your belt is higher ilvl, so there's less raw gain
slim dove
Dragon games equipment trinket. Anyone try this? Seems clunky
clunky and worse then whetstone.
flat jackal
For pure ST, what's better? Sudden death or show of force?
ripe cave
no i mean, are your wrists a low ilvl piece of gear that you're simming as 418 b...
no they are 415 goldsteel bracers
fading tide
The second boss in halls is hard on 17?
tropic tangle
melandrus really that powerful over diurnas?
also wouldn't you be using both Diurna and Meldanrus?
fathom robin
@south zealot @slim dove thanks. Yeah it seems not worth it. Welp, looks like I'm taking tokens this week, ugh.
ripe cave
also wouldn't you be using both Diurna and Meldanrus?
i have the other ring also
mighty valley
what're your current trinkets?
i know some people have gotten used to the kickball trinket and it does good damage for them
marsh axle
hello! any suggestions between these 2? raidbots suggests pants, im guessing because of the higher strength but that'll potentially leave me without a 4pc next week when catalyst comes along
im leaning more towards boots since im trying to prio 4pc next week
tropic tangle
im leaning more towards boots since im trying to prio 4pc next week
boots don't help you with that tho?
atomic shore
mighty valley
heavy repercussions
marsh axle
sorry, should have expanded a little; i have a 405 chest i can catalyst next week to make up the 4pc
hard vessel
Yo why people keep complaining that warrior is as broken as bdk back in shadowlands, can sb explain me why people think that?
marsh axle
taking the non-tier pants this week would brick that tho
mighty valley
Yo why people keep complaining that warrior is as broken as bdk back in shadowla...
never listen to meta complainers, they're not rational or interesting people
tropic tangle
taking the non-tier pants this week would brick that tho
4pc isn't all that important, but it also doesn't brick it
you can pick the pants, catalyse chest for 4 pc if you want
then catalyse pants for ilvl upgrade the next week
cinder nova
Yo why people keep complaining that warrior is as broken as bdk back in shadowla...
It's definitely stronger than other tanks in raw numbers, but it's no BDK.
BDK was just a force of nature and completely overpowered the entire meta at peak levels of play.
Even a mediocre BDK could absolutely clown as long as they had jailer rattle.
People generally seem to dislike warriors being top for some reason.
hard vessel
Nah I played Warr and bdk in s3 of SL this was like different universes
south zealot
Yo why people keep complaining that warrior is as broken as bdk back in shadowla...
its not
i havent seen anyones ay that
cinder nova
i havent seen anyones ay that
Go to the forums
south zealot
tank balance is fine right now
hard vessel
People think there that warrior is more broken than bdk in s3
south zealot
besdies guardian being trash
mighty valley
don't read reddit, don't read forums, there's nothing of value there
cinder nova
Or yeah leddit
hard vessel
It's content and fun
mighty valley
sure, but don't like... take the whiners seriously
fading tide
How are you guys surviving on the second boss in Halls?
marsh axle
4pc isn't all that important, but it also doesn't brick it
thanks for that; wasnt too sure how game changing our 4pc is
weary saddle
I believe Protpally is underrated. It is much stronger than ppl think.
slim dove
How are you guys surviving on the second boss in Halls?
plan CDs for every shield laser beam.
hard quartz
have to have ignore pain and SB on every bea,
fading tide
plan CDs for every shield laser beam.
Double shield wall for that instance?
cinder nova
4p is very nice, but it's not blow out stronk like 2p/4p SFO
slim dove
Double shield wall for that instance?
depends on the key, i didn't need it for a 20 tyr
hard quartz
I do not double SW on 18+
fading tide
I got a 17
hard vessel
I believe Protpally is underrated. It is much stronger than ppl think.
Don't know bdk, paly and warrior feel for me all very equal in tankiness
cinder nova
Pretty sure the beam isn't blockable.
fluid shard
A little trick on hyrja, you can IV as soon as she beams and you get knocked back.
slim dove
it is.
cinder nova
Having block up for it makes no difference. Just hot swap Def Stance + IP + SR
slim dove
you can spell block it.
fading tide
Wow really
fading tide
Thanks
slim dove
also, prots Sentinel talent was bugged/broken for all of beta.
hard vessel
Yes but beta is over, it's not like people. Would see that warrior is not broken
sturdy shuttle
How important is shield Ilvl? Should I be taking a 411 shield with mastery Vers over my 402 crafted shield with haste ver and armor spikes? I have the options between that shield or an upgrade on chest piece as well. Sim shows chest as higher dps. But I don’t know if shield Ilvl upgrades are just overall more important. New to warrior this season. Appreciate any advice!
weary saddle
protwar is really not as strong as the hype makes it appear. BDK and Protpally are equally, and in case of Protpally I believe it has so many cheat buttons it just needs people who know the interactions