Ring is by far the safer option
#protection
compact jackal
100 dps less, but no double on use/risk of getting melted during the channel
it's possible enchants will close it more
toxic pewter
All three raid choices pretty good
royal rune
yeah they are nice
plush tendon
yea, the raid vault is nice
compact jackal
one day we'll see the most disgusting vault possible
steady steppe
i dont think taking helm is correct cause i can just catalyze a helm next week
compact jackal
Strike Twice, Melandrus with socket, Whetstone, Diurna with socket, Grieftorch, and 424 helm
imagine that vault
proud dock
how does one figure out if the drop in ilvl is worth putting on 4set? i already have 2set. is there a general rule of thumb?
steady steppe
how much ilvl are u dropping
tulip kelp
compact jackal
how does one figure out if the drop in ilvl is worth putting on 4set? i already ...
is 5% leech worth the ilvl dip?
tulip kelp
Do I take the 421 tier helm or do I take the 421 helm with socket and CC next week? I'm only 2pc andy still 😦
compact jackal
CC
steady steppe
Do I take the 421 tier helm or do I take the 421 helm with socket and CC next we...
cc next week
proud dock
19ilvl on legs and 36ilvl on chest
royal rune
421 head sheet
compact jackal
"Do I take the 421 tier helm or do I take the 421 tier helm with socket? I'm only 2pc andy still 😦"
sick sentinel
Why take cc? Take tier so you can use cc next week on another piece for 4 set
steady steppe
19ilvl on legs and 36ilvl on chest
not worth to drop that much
toxic pewter
Have they announced the catalyst cadence how often we can use it
steady steppe
Why take cc? Take tier so you can use cc next week on another piece for 4 set
free socket
compact jackal
1/wk 5 stacks max
plush tendon
once a week
compact jackal
Why take cc? Take tier so you can use cc next week on another piece for 4 set
I will gladly take the CC charge over burning my vault for a socket
plush tendon
honestly, helm with socket with instant transform next week seems like a power play
tulip kelp
"Do I take the 421 tier helm or do I take the 421 tier helm with socket? I'm onl...
Well in theory if I have bad luck with raid this week it would be ages before I get 4p if I take the one with socket
steady steppe
i would clear raid first and then choose if u care that much
tulip kelp
Ye true
proud dock
not worth to drop that much
ok thanks
plush tendon
a socket costs 6 of those tokens from vault yea?
compact jackal
3 iirc
tulip kelp
Yeah 6 tokens
steady steppe
6 yea
compact jackal
is it 6?
toxic pewter
Yes 6
plush tendon
So I guess the question is; do you want to get 6 tokens for a socket or 1 catalyst charge for helm
lofty widget
was 3 in SL s4 cause the season was shorter
compact jackal
So I guess the question is; do you want to get 6 tokens for a socket or 1 cataly...
6 tokens for a socket + skip another 421 piece
tulip kelp
Yeah was kinda leaning helm with socket
quiet monolith
worth going from 402 gloves to 384 gloves if it gives me my 4 piece?
toxic pewter
I would
tulip kelp
The 418 brood ring isn't worth it tho right? I already have 418 primal ring and 415 melandrus with socket
toxic pewter
I think our 4 pc is pretty good
quiet monolith
for tier gloves
compact jackal
The 418 brood ring isn't worth it tho right? I already have 418 primal ring and ...
filial is w/e
compact jackal
crit/haste 402 plate
goldsteel or battleborne?
plush tendon
I would rather eat mud than touch the tier gloves
shhh he didnt mean it... there there my only 421 tier piece
toxic pewter
What’s wrong with tier gloves I mean they’re fine
compact jackal
keep those instead
tulip kelp
Yeah my tier gloves have leech on it, I"m happy to keep them
compact jackal
crit/mastery
toxic pewter
If it gives you 4 piece def use it
compact jackal
it is heavy crit though
it's the only tier piece where we don't get haste or crit/vers in exchange for no haste
if it was for 2 set it'd be a different story
oak echo
it's def the piece you drop when you have access to the 4 piece without it but still worth using to get bonuses
toxic pewter
I mean yeah it’s difficult to put a value on 4pc but it’s definitely good imo
uneven mason
I mean mastery isn't a garbage stat....
toxic pewter
It creates ignore pains
oak echo
right
dire matrix
you will equip your best ilvl 4pc until you can mess with slot choices
when you have all equal
toxic pewter
The creation effect 4pc has when it comes to ignore pain is what I like
uneven mason
secondary stats are not that important
This, the rule is: More > not more
dire matrix
please dont tell people to avoid hands at all cost
its cringe spreading misinformation 🙂
compact jackal
This, the rule is: More > not more
issue is they're trying to say to take less AND the worst tier slot at that
384 vs 402
toxic pewter
Yeah but it’s 4pc…
dire matrix
18 drop for 4 set is worth it
compact jackal
it's not 2 set where you could justify it
dire matrix
over your highest set
toxic pewter
It’s worth it to me
dire matrix
18 is close for 2 set
sick sentinel
4 set pretty good, especially in m+
uneven mason
issue is they're trying to say to take less AND the worst tier slot at that
4p is a qol boost if anything
compact jackal
4p is a qol boost if anything
it's 5% leech basically, yeah
dire matrix
and your ip drops off all the time in high keys
i can upload a log with a graph of ip uptime to demonstrate
but also cba
warm plinth
4pc is strong idk what you all are talking about
craggy pilot
whats the deal with Arcane Bash in AV 🤔 do we pop defensive for it or just stunnable?
oak echo
whats the deal with Arcane Bash in AV 🤔 do we pop defensive for it or just stun...
you side step it
compact jackal
whats the deal with Arcane Bash in AV 🤔 do we pop defensive for it or just stun...
can't you just sidestep it?
dire matrix
whats the deal with Arcane Bash in AV 🤔 do we pop defensive for it or just stun...
step out of it
toxic pewter
Honestly the best part of 4pc is it literally casts ignore pains you can then build on top of as you do damage
trim hill
If your IP ain’t dropping you aren’t pulling enough
bold turret
whats the deal with Arcane Bash in AV 🤔 do we pop defensive for it or just stun...
Is a frontal, range or sidestep
craggy pilot
oh didnt know it was a frontal
dire matrix
craggy pilot
fuck me 🤣
compact jackal
what key?
uneven mason
If your IP ain’t dropping you aren’t pulling enough
My IP no, the rest of the group, yeah
dire matrix
but yeah u can see IP is dropping
4 set will make that all the time
so im losing talent effectiveness
for not having 4 set
paper raft
hello fellow tank warriors. Was wondering if i ask here for a prot question/log review or just in general log-review?
dire matrix
im not like the best warrior
uneven mason
Sure
dire matrix
but im ok
tulip kelp
Wtf, sanguine is back.. wasn't that two weeks ago?
uneven mason
hello fellow tank warriors. Was wondering if i ask here for a prot question/log ...
We love pointing out other people's mistakes
warm plinth
Wtf, sanguine is back.. wasn't that two weeks ago?
It's only a 10 week rotation
paper raft
sure, but do i ask here or channel below😂
humble sierra
does anyone have any info, on if fang or armor spikes is better
dire matrix
tons of tiny drops
uneven mason
Wtf, sanguine is back.. wasn't that two weeks ago?
People keep qqing about affixes they're running short on items in the rotation
compact jackal
what's the uptime %?
dire matrix
anyway
uneven mason
sure, but do i ask here or channel below😂
Yes
dire matrix
if i shave off the end which is downtime
toxic pewter
does anyone have any info, on if fang or armor spikes is better
Basically the same as far as I know
paper raft
My co-tank has been having some struggle on surviving the boss. He's assigned on the eggs, me on the adds.
Is there anything we/I are doing wrong in handling the heal absorption? He has 2 healers assigned to him, but its still too much dmg sometimes.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VwkKCRBxFvg3M2cb
(comp is shit, its a casual guild/for socials)
Was just hoping to get some feedback on general mistakes and/or we need to assign specific healing cds to the debuff.
dire matrix
thats 72%
deep spruce
Can someone explain quickly how to see how much spell block is doing in wclogs
paper raft
pala discord said his shield block was very low% but is that all?
deep spruce
like, how much it is blocking
compact jackal
This is 78% without 4pc.
dire matrix
unless its a mob that doesnt auto for shit
compact jackal
Because our 4pc is 5% leech, it's not exactly a damage buff
dire matrix
4pc gets better the higher key cuz ur ip falls off more rapidly
to keep up ur talent
idr the name
the 15% dmg to ip
toxic pewter
Brutal vitality
compact jackal
telling him to take a 20 ilvl dip for lfr gloves for 5% leech that isn't even necessary is a bit much
compact jackal
on hands, where he has good stats on them to begin with
to a 20 ilvl decrease with bad stats
dire matrix
stats dont matter that much
if your 3 best ilvl peices are also tier
and your dropping 1 slot its kinda worth
compact jackal
Or he can just catalyze it next week and not waste his vault?
deep spruce
Does spellblock do ANYTHING on kurog mythic?
compact jackal
Does spellblock do ANYTHING on kurog mythic?
it also reduces magic damage by 20% 🙂
dire matrix
thats spell reflect sir
compact jackal
er
deep spruce
it also reduces magic damage by 20% 🙂
No it doesnt
toxic gyro
My co-tank has been having some struggle on surviving the boss. He's assigned on...
He’s shield block uptime was 46-52% from two pulls I checked, since he’s on the boss it should be 100% or close to it. Also make sure he’s using cds when boss is casting healing reduction spell. Forgot what it was called
compact jackal
that's actually a good question
dire matrix
i imagine the frontal is a spell?
so is the add frontal
the soaks
the aoe ice dmg
compact jackal
the issue is Whim that it's elemental damage
deep spruce
yeah fair
dire matrix
can find out on logs
uneven mason
pala discord said his shield block was very low% but is that all?
Like block is everything, I'll take a deeper dive when I'm not on a phon
compact jackal
it does nothing for DKs for death strike
paper raft
He’s shield block uptime was 46-52% from two pulls I checked, since he’s on the ...
thanks, that the biggest issue then i assume? not misusing cd's or smt, but just shiel block%
deep spruce
can find out on logs
unfortunately i dono how
dire matrix
look for warriors running spellblock
and when they press it
compare it with dmg taken at that time
hardy ridge
Check pins, sense made a sheet that shows what u can reflect, block and spell block
paper raft
Like block is everything, I'll take a deeper dive when I'm not on a phon
thanks, all feedback is apprcuated
dire matrix
also that
uneven mason
thanks, that the biggest issue then i assume? not misusing cd's or smt, but just...
It could be cd use but WCL looks like big poo on phones
deep spruce
Check pins, sense made a sheet that shows what u can reflect, block and spell bl...
i dont see spell block discussed on that boss
dire matrix
hardy ridge
i dont see spell block discussed on that boss
Read the first tab
compact jackal
makes it even weirder than DKs don't get anything for death strike off the dot
sick sentinel
HUGE reputation gains to be had this week
dire matrix
it blocks the frontal
hardy ridge
Blue yes is spell blockable
deep spruce
Ahh the blue
deep spruce
Read the first tab
thanks
compact jackal
Yes.
jagged ferry
If I have mythic eranog on farm
jagged pier
My co-tank has been having some struggle on surviving the boss. He's assigned on...
do u want the long message or the TLDR?
dire matrix
depends what tier you have and if your guild will give you the ring
paper raft
both would be nice, ic an give the summary to my raid leader
compact jackal
My co-tank has been having some struggle on surviving the boss. He's assigned on...
how many healers?
jagged ferry
Ring will be free roll and I have only normal tier
paper raft
just trying to help our guild on prog
uneven mason
do u want the long message or the TLDR?
Ruh ROH Jakey is cashing in the 2c
zinc spruce
how does that make sense :( i cant seem to be able to fix it
dire matrix
free roll o
paper raft
3 healers total, was 2-3-7 yday
compact jackal
What class is the co-tank?
jagged pier
i had to take a double take cause there was a log pretty much identical to this earlier
i thought it was the same person
dire matrix
the hands thing i didnt know it was a vault choice
i thought it was just equipping vs not
uneven mason
i thought it was the same person
The boulder name looks familiar
paper raft
What class is the co-tank?
i play pala myself, my cotank is prot warrior and handling the boss
jagged pier
both would be nice, ic an give the summary to my raid leader
so talents are all good,
everything else is well falls apart at that, so with the talents he has are really good for tanking the boss
paper raft
im shit at reading logs
dire matrix
3-4 was rough for me on prog
mighty valley
60% blocked hits on adds or boss with this talent build is pretty inexcusable
paper raft
variable, we had liek 20 pulls yday iirc
dire matrix
i say prog it was like not many pulls
i just had to get an external ( i was a vdh)
it is not rough for me on warrior dont flame me ty
warm plinth
it is not rough for me on warrior dont flame me ty
stinky
arctic marten
Which one should I choose from vault, between the 421 Melandrus ring, 408 Diurna ring, or 421 avoidance shield?
compact jackal
variable, we had liek 20 pulls yday iirc
wait, what is that egg route?
he shouldn't die there
dire matrix
what shield do you have
uneven mason
Which one should I choose from vault, between the 421 Melandrus ring, 408 Diurna...
What is your current shield
arctic marten
What is your current shield
dire matrix
rings?
paper raft
wait, what is that egg route?
im not sure, im on the patrols and dont often watch the exact route he takes. is it important/too difficult?
uneven mason
Tbh go shield then open vault as arms until next season
dire matrix
in heroic at least
dire matrix
shield ig
jagged pier
i play pala myself, my cotank is prot warrior and handling the boss
alot of this will tie together in a circle kinda so imma do point but they all relate to each other with his talents he should have 90% + blocked hits hes around 65% which means hes not tracking shield block not using it properly,
like he cast SB 15 times on this one attempt im looking 15 times in 4 mins. that terrible, he could also be turning his back to the boss when moving so he has to watch out for that as well.
the other huge issue is that he literally just isnt pressing the right buttons at the right time so his top cast is TC where it should Shield slam, his casts are even lower than they should be so hes missing out on a tone of rage like a tone, and hes not using it correctly, hes only spending on IP where he should be spending it on IP and SS. in terms of other casts hes not using his cds at all like 1 cast of SC in 4:30 mins that need to be used on cd in talents same with demo and rav and avatar etc etc
compact jackal
what's your belt?
dire matrix
u already got melandrus
arctic marten
what's your belt?
compact jackal
Do you have a spark available/embellishment slot open?
arctic marten
Sure
jagged pier
im not sure, im on the patrols and dont often watch the exact route he takes. is...
so theres a comparison of my casts and his
dire matrix
frostfire belt ftw
jagged pier
for context
uneven mason
i play pala myself, my cotank is prot warrior and handling the boss
What Jakey is saying is you need to get your cotank in here
compact jackal
Do a normal sim with all vault items, and then also do a gear compare with unstable frostfire belt @ 405 + the ring
odds are very likely belt+diurna is actually the play
dire matrix
or 418 if u can make that
compact jackal
the 405 is just so it doesn't skew a gear compare
compact jackal
since he has a405 on now yeah
paper raft
haha im not too sure if i can make him come here, but i can forward the details and your feedback towards my raidleader at least
uneven mason
Did this dude reroll warrior from a BRM?
paper raft
warrior is a bit busy irl so might not have free extra time to review logs
uneven mason
It's a honest question actually
dire matrix
tell him to keep SB up all the time
jagged pier
i mean TDLR is, pay attention to SB, press everything on CD, and press revenge more
paper raft
naa, hes started prot this season, idk if he has tanked before
compact jackal
I also keep this handy
dire matrix
that is the tldr
uneven mason
Like we're seeing a lot of people swapping tank specs to warrior
mighty valley
do you have logs from other fights? wondering if this guy legit doesn't know how he should be playing or if he's just overwhelmed on broodkeeper and getting distracted
uneven mason
And just not understanding how the spec functions
compact jackal
3->4 6->7 and 8->9 are the only risky moves
dire matrix
brood is kinda the only hard fight to tank going in heroic imo
dire matrix
cuz u need to have the movement down
uneven mason
Press your fucking buttons
compact jackal
And just not understanding how the spec functions
I didn't play war in Shadowlands because I saw the goofy legendary and said nope
mighty valley
right, that's why i want to see other fights
compact jackal
brood is kinda the only hard fight to tank going in heroic imo
irony is the add tanking is scarier than brood
mighty valley
like, does this guy know what to do on terros
or does he just need prot warrior school
paper raft
i have old logs from previous fights, but we pretty much oneshot first 4/5 bosses normally with no deaths
mighty valley
we can still see if he's got his priorities right on easy fights
paper raft
dathea we had 1 bad night, but 2shot it last time. overall no dying issues, just dmg is quite low with him vs me
paper raft
sec, let me check
dire matrix
u dont need to press SB on the early fights to live
unless ur low geared
(you should)
paper raft
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PJtw1HRLfpXqWkbc/
this is our normal clear+first heroic bosses last wednesday
tulip kelp
irony is the add tanking is scarier than brood
How are adds scary? I've never tanked a raid before and did heroic brood adds without issue lol
uneven mason
dathea we had 1 bad night, but 2shot it last time. overall no dying issues, just...
Warriors should be slapping you silly in damage so that's a flah
dire matrix
they literally did 0 dmg to me
compact jackal
How are adds scary? I've never tanked a raid before and did heroic brood adds wi...
proto bleed
dire matrix
on not warrior
mighty valley
there's just more to do on adds, important kicks and control etc
dire matrix
havent took them on warrior
compact jackal
it's scarier than anything broodkeeper does
tulip kelp
Hmm didn't seem too bad for me
dire matrix
thats cuz we dont care about mortal strike
tulip kelp
And I had to pull 3 protos over
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PJtw1HRLfpXqWkbc/
this is our normal clear+...
its the same stuff different boss
dire matrix
but bleeds are monka
mighty valley
our friend pressed revenge 9 times on terros
lusty narwhal
Does anyone know if eranog ring has an internal cooldown? or if they take aoe fire dmg than each oone of those has a chance to take ring dmg?
dire matrix
17k gaming
uneven mason
our friend pressed revenge 9 times on terros
paper raft
its the same stuff different boss
what do you mean, wrong link?
jagged pier
what do you mean, wrong link?
no i mean same mistakes
dire matrix
proccing fire ring off deco
jagged pier
on any boss
dire matrix
depression
mighty valley
his fury play is pretty bad too, looks like guy just needs overall world of warcraft coaching
plush tendon
naw, he had pizza bagels in the oven he had to get
paper raft
i mean, i dont want too be too technical/harsh on him , hes has played prot a few weeks now and not years like yourselvses most likely.
im sure there is a lot to improve on, but in general, its just his dmg is low/sb uptime? dmg wasnt a problem on earlier bosses but on brood hes dying too often to make prog atm
mighty valley
if he's going to work on one thing it's sb uptime
mighty valley
if he's gonna work on a second thing it's prioritizing casts correctly (ss > tc > revenge in st)
dire matrix
im a demonhunter in my heart
compact jackal
hmm
jagged pier
i mean, i dont want too be too technical/harsh on him , hes has played prot a fe...
well thats the thing that is the basics SB uptime and doing damage will mean u live with how the class works
compact jackal
how do you check their stance?
jagged pier
so its the basics hes messing up on
dire matrix
buff?
compact jackal
not showing up
dire matrix
uh
compact jackal
I chcked my logs and it wasn't there either
jagged pier
how do you check their stance?
u cant unless they change in the fight
compact jackal
u cant unless they change in the fight
I'm going to go by the 21 ilvl and assume he also sat in d stance then
dire matrix
u can add up the crit rating on his gear
and then check his crit %
5head
are they 3% off
battle stance 
paper raft
alright, so make him a wa on shieldbock time/disable everything but tank buster on brood so he isnt missing it?
in dbm*?
grave wedge
So blizzard really loves me this week and gave me AA this week any tips on timing that one? 398 with a trusty 1 set. I will be pugging it
strong forum
So blizzard really loves me this week and gave me AA this week any tips on timi...
spread out your defensives on crawth
strong forum
that boi slappa now
compact jackal
so he should have 18 with bstance
strong forum
the tank buster isnt blockable anymore
plush tendon
screw the bird boss
plush tendon
the tank buster isnt blockable anymore
dire matrix
or can you rng
mighty valley
spread out your defensives on crawth
fuckin brace yourselves for explosives on tree boss
strong forum
ah tru
mighty valley
oops replied wrong person
dire matrix
yeah skip AA
till fixed
strong forum
until blizz fixes it
compact jackal
u can add up the crit rating on his gear
bruh
mighty valley
they've found a way to add one annoying thing to sbg - explosives on spiders
plush tendon
Ima go do RLP
compact jackal
he was in bstance
plush tendon
much easier then AA
grave wedge
Tree hurt the most during add phase last week so im worried for that
compact jackal
I would expect damage this low from a dstance sitter
dire matrix
well if ur dying it certainly is
mighty valley
bstance would be fine here if he fucking had shield block up
compact jackal
he's getting 21 ilvl WITH bstance
grave wedge
How often do you guys go in and out of d stance
dire matrix
i toggle for hard hits
compact jackal
13.6% melee crit
dire matrix
inbetween cds sometimes
compact jackal
he's a dstance enjoyer
plush tendon
im in D Stance like.... 2.5% of the time
plush tendon
maybe 2.3%
flint needle
how much defensivess is 2 set to 4set ?
strong forum
cant put a number on it
dire matrix
hard to quantify
compact jackal
how much defensivess is 2 set to 4set ?
5% leech
is the easiest way to think about it
dire matrix
it is good cuz talent
mighty valley
man this is sad
strong forum
but thats not all of it morgan
dire matrix
uptime
compact jackal
it's not, but it's a simple way to treat it
strong forum
but its wrong
its way more than that
because of brutal vit
in actual keys you will lose IP
dire matrix
as i posted earlier
dire matrix
its like more than 5%
strong forum
is quite large value
compact jackal
and it's also a damage increase, yes
not having to IP means you then can use revenge
strong forum
if the initial absorb vanishes instantly BrV cant activate
dire matrix
i wish i topped my IP from my dmg
strong forum
same
strong forum
you still need to mega pump rage into IP
compact jackal
in heroic at least there's only like 3 fights the tier would be easy to notice imo
dire matrix
in keys there like literally all the time
compact jackal
Kurog when the tank swap happens, Broodkeeper on some of the egg moves, and Rasz
dire matrix
if your doing decent keys
compact jackal
NO/AA/COS/SMBG/TJS enjoyers ww@
can't believe we have an m+ season with only 5 dungeons
darn
plush tendon
Ruby aint bad
dire matrix
ruby isnt bad till your tryna do a 22
plush tendon
and AV i havnt done enough
dire matrix
and your dps are falling over
strong forum
we did 22 RLP today with 5tank
compact jackal
Ruby aint bad
on tyrannical it sure is
strong forum
only first section is bad
but after that its managable
need to coordinate alot tho
dire matrix
in coordinated play rlp np
plush tendon
first section in RLP?
jagged pier
tanks cant die to the casts
they can taunt each stack of the debuff on second boss
strong forum
yeah
dire matrix
high in pugs its awfull
compact jackal
first boss casts hurts
jagged pier
plush tendon
thats like... the easy part
somber shell
any opinions on all-totem of the master for M+ content? it's only 395 (current tinkets are 392 ruby whlep shell and 392 dragon games.. dragon games is awful)
strong forum
we wiped 5 times before first boss
somber shell
I'm simming now but.. hard to tell with trinkets
compact jackal
they can taunt each stack of the debuff on second boss
that's illegal
plush tendon
ooof
strong forum
cuz the pulls are fucking scary
dire matrix
they can taunt each stack of the debuff on second boss
LOL
dire matrix
any opinions on all-totem of the master for M+ content? it's only 395 (current t...
use it its good
mighty valley
first corridor is dense, first boss million whelps making explosives
the rest will be pretty normal
somber shell
use it its good
I really really hate the dragon gagmes equipment
dire matrix
the frostbolts are relentless
mighty valley
i mean tyrannical rlp is always one of the scarier dungeons but
dire matrix
use all totem
strong forum
yeah with 5 tanks, bit spicy, you need mega coordination on kicks and stuns
mighty valley
these affixes are ok past first boss
zenith sky
Help me out here: if I want neither weapon nor shield from the vault, would it be best to open in arms loot spec to reduce the likelihood of getting weapon/offhand slots overall?
compact jackal
like here's the changes I can see
strong forum
yes Drumknott
zenith sky
Ty
compact jackal
AV = timer increase, make some of the adds less rippy
somber shell
use all totem
you're right it does sim much higher than the 415 boot option I have
sleek current
The adds on final boss of Nokhud... Scale with Fort? Is that right because... their stormbolts hit like an absolute truck at 18. Letting potentially one go off is instant death.
compact jackal
HoV = why on earth is our timer shorter than legion?
strong forum
The adds on final boss of Nokhud... Scale with Fort? Is that right because... th...
everybody skips them
somber shell
I like the sound of that
sleek current
The ones that appear half way through the fight?
dire matrix
skips the intermission of nokhud?
sleek current
How do they skip them
strong forum
air = 12% haste proc
earth = 4.4k armor proc which is 200 str for pwar
ice = 15k hps hot
fire = dmg dot on targets
compact jackal
RLP = Melipussy pulsing AoE hits for less, Searing hits for less, flamespit doesn't basically one shot your squishies
strong forum
we timed NO21 today, was suuuper nice
dire matrix
i also pray for mythic all totem tmrw
strong forum
very fun key as 5tank
dire matrix
🙏
sleek current
like all boss adds
Tell that to Karazhan and the party boss, where everyone except the main dude scaled on Fort. 😄
dire matrix
there was a should od at least
spice axle
tepid vers phial is giving me 3.61% vers. does that mean if the glacial phial does less than 3.61% of my overall then its worse?
dire matrix
old dungeons are funky
strong forum
tepid vers phial is giving me 3.61% vers. does that mean if the glacial phial do...
yes
dire matrix
it should be at like 5%?
safe moon
I see a lot of people running with intimidating shout but not menace, dont the mobs run away and pull other things without menace?
shrewd grove
What's a good shield block uptime percent nowadays? So I know what to shoot for
dire matrix
100%
strong forum
100%
sleek current
I see a lot of people running with intimidating shout but not menace, dont the m...
No, it gets broken instantly due to damage
shrewd grove
You can hit 100%?
jagged pier
I see a lot of people running with intimidating shout but not menace, dont the m...
the fear breaks instantly
dire matrix
nome copying me
strong forum
you can easily hit 100%
shrewd grove
Sick! Ty
dire matrix
jagged pier
What's a good shield block uptime percent nowadays? So I know what to shoot for
100 but u should be looking at blocked hits not uptime
strong forum
ye GF barely does more than tepid
safe moon
No, it gets broken instantly due to damage
ty!
dire matrix
im also kinda low on dmg vs key level
safe moon
the fear breaks instantly
ty!
dire matrix
playing a bit pussy ig
strong forum
but eye on average does benefit you more on aoe
dire matrix
so my number should be higher
strong forum
cuz its like 10% str in aoe
dire matrix
is that what ppl run now
strong forum
you only need 2 stacks for eye to beat out the other phials
dire matrix
i meant to check high logs
neat parrot
fix balar khan ffs
spice axle
for me mostly it does sth like 3%. glacial
dire matrix
but i forgot
neat parrot
most bugged boss
strong forum
is it?
dire matrix
what about in raid
strong forum
GF
dire matrix
glacial is bis there right
warm plinth
and they scale with tryranical
No boss adds scale with tyrannical HP-wise except the last boss of SBG skeles
dire matrix
whats the full name of the aoe flask?
neat parrot
he was on the left far away mob, casted the cone, and i was in the middle of the adds and he 1ed me
strong forum
eye in the storm
dire matrix
thx
safe moon
No, it gets broken instantly due to damage
does it make sense to take that over disrupting shout? I usually run with that
dire matrix
No boss adds scale with tyrannical HP-wise except the last boss of SBG skeles
they changed it so they shpould
the dmg
not hp
right
warm plinth
The damage does, yes. The HP doesn't
warm plinth
Except last boss SBG which for some reason scale the HP too :/
compact jackal
actually, how do I check blocked hits?
sick sentinel
what else comes presocketed when it comes to lariat, im guessing just neck and ring
dire matrix
ring and neck
warm plinth
actually, how do I check blocked hits?
Click your toon, damage taken, hover over the number in the hits column next to melee
sick sentinel
my assumption is you can only have 1 crafted ring on
cuz, you could have 4 sockets that way
mighty valley
if timer isn't insanely tight at the end of nokhud, it's not embarrassing to CC a couple of the adds and burn the others down first
or bring a dk for abom limb
warm plinth
4 sockets? Wdym
mighty valley
to make it trivial
sick sentinel
you'd have 2 for the each ring, and then lariat is 2 + mainstat gem
so thats 3 sparks for 4 lariat connected gems
warm plinth
But there's no reason to have more lariat gems for the sake of having them
dire matrix
how do u get 2 sockets on rings
compact jackal
Can we pretend my logs aren't 90-100%?
strong forum
spark crafts
warm plinth
I think he means 2 total
compact jackal
and a solid 100
sick sentinel
you want more gems though im pretty sure, it gives more effect i think
strong forum
no
dire matrix
no it does not
strong forum
having 8 or 3 sockets doesnt matter
it picks 1 gem, and procs its element
except primal
amber ivy
how do you guys feel about Granyth's Enduring Scale? its so hard to get it to drop im wondering if its even worth it.
strong forum
pretty meh
jagged pier
bad
compact jackal
its better than nothing, worse than most
better than seed at least!
sick sentinel
so, what should my second main embellishment be then? i probably cant go fire ring cuz i doubt i'll raid + i crafted food belt today, shield is what im specced into, but i have a 405 shield now
amber ivy
Im currently using rumbling ruby and hunger of the pack
sick sentinel
i already have 389 bracers of versa
amber ivy
i like the food persist through death one if you can afford it
dire matrix
thats not an embellish
amber ivy
its just convenient though
amber ivy
huh. i didnt know that
sick sentinel
what about the ring with some weird effect
strong forum
i think once everybody has full tierset, people will start stacking the chest
cuz that one gives the entire group 200 vers when it procs
sick sentinel
take you back to a place you know or somethin long cd, counts as embellished?
dire matrix
it says on the item at the top if it does
amber ivy
how about this then. a 415 strike twice, or a 415 crafted obsidian seared slicer with fang adornments?
dire matrix
you can have a different embellish
so its so worth to go strike
belt is nice if u get the ring
amber ivy
oh true. the only downside is i cant pick the stats on the strike twice
mighty valley
stats barely matter
dire matrix
stats almost dont matter
mighty valley
strike twice proc is basically free
dire matrix
on weapons its pretty low amounts also
mighty valley
there's basically no reason to not get the belt embellishment tbh, since they're all basically the same value and it leaves you open in case you do find the fire ring
sick sentinel
how many hit points is explosive orbs now
dire matrix
1 hit from everything hp i think?
sick sentinel
like, 500, 1,000?
strong forum
dmg proc embellishments are around 400-600 dps
stat embellishments offer ~1% of a stat on average
sick sentinel
yaaaaa explosive can be a real fast key killer lol
strong forum
pick your poison
explosive can be 1shot by everything except vdh throw glaive sometimes
sick sentinel
just one of those, ah, we died, things
dire matrix
ofc cuz fuck vdh
amber ivy
fang adornment did about 0.9 percent of my damage in a +11 nokhud overall
strong forum
so within the 1% range
amber ivy
ya. does anyone have stats on a strike twice?
amber ivy
its probably simillar id imagine
jagged pier
it doesnt matter but i think its crit mastery
strong forum
frostspark did 1.6% in the log i have up
sounds like your overall dps is just low then
jagged pier
but its stats and a free proc
amber ivy
rumbling ruby did 3.8% but with the bonus attack damage proc i feel like its underrated
strong forum
rumbling ruby isnt underrated no, its pretty pog in aoe
strong forum
lucky idk
neat parrot
is spellblock good for AA ?
strong forum
no
dire matrix
you can block surge and thats about it
strong forum
the only time it does ANYTHING is vs vexamus
like AA is 80% phys dmg, 15% bleed, 5% poison
mighty valley
the things that scare you there are all dots
amber ivy
spellblock is such a disappointing ability. i want to love it. But it works on basically nothing
strong forum
it works on a few things
dire matrix
its so good when its good
mighty valley
it's worth for tjs, tyrannical rlp
dire matrix
its not like tough as nails is some crazy talent
id run it on fortified rlp
200k frostbolts from 1st boss
no thank you sir
strong forum
nails is ~3% dmg
dire matrix
i would like to not tank those
proud dock
which dungs are worth taking block again? just TSJ and RLP?
amber ivy
im full bloodborne. tough as nails is OUT
dire matrix
tjs its sick
strong forum
1 point in BB is roughly 1.5%
dire matrix
rlp av
sbg if u wanna facetank the shadowslash mobs
you need it at a certain key level
proud dock
NO for 2nd area?
dire matrix
if your not confident in aoe stuns
strong forum
nah, spellblock is useless in NO
dire matrix
if ur group sucks its nice in 2nd area lmao
warm plinth
NO for 2nd area?
Arcing Blade is fully and easily avoidable by just backpedaling
sick sentinel
how about HOV
strong forum
only useful vs dragon and hyrja
proud dock
damn is there a list? spreadsheet?
amber ivy
i also use thunderous words. so bloodborne becomes more valuable
dire matrix
the dragon on high fort is a serious issue if its getting a lot of breaths
proud dock
i thot i saw it or was it for ref?
strong forum
theres a list what is and isnt blockable
warm plinth
i also use thunderous words. so bloodborne becomes more valuable
I assume the 1.5% previously stated is with words, because everyone runs words
dire matrix
got 1 shot by dragon in my first fortified hov
dire matrix
very poggers
you wanna sideways run tho for arcing i think
s walking isnt enough i found
unless im just old in the head
compact jackal
literally the scariest thing in NO is the 2nd boss area
dire matrix
and a bit slow
compact jackal
that hurts, but the casters wreck your squishies
strong forum
but generally the dungeons to run spellblock for are:
smbg if you dont wanna kite and 1st boss high tyr
RLP
AV
Totjs
HOV on high keys unless you have enough CDs to rotate for hyrja
jagged ferry
Thoughts on taking ring over 421 gloves if I have Mythic E on farm? I also have the other ring aswell, current gloves are 395 tier
strong forum
the timer is very free on NO
compact jackal
tbh
candid storm
is there a weakaura to advise which mobs spells can be spell reflected by any chance ?
strong forum
ever since the skip
compact jackal
NO was never actually hard
amber ivy
ring IMO
compact jackal
people just didn't know how to do the second boss
amber ivy
if you're already 4 piece
dire matrix
yers
dire matrix
there is a spell reflect wa
compact jackal
suck it up and let the healer take the tank orbs
amber ivy
909 vers. sign me up
candid storm
http://www.wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker
thank you
strong forum
Thoughts on taking ring over 421 gloves if I have Mythic E on farm? I also have ...
that ring is juicy... if you have belt
forest coral
why is raidbots simming a 10 ilvl upgrade on a tier helm (411 -> 421) as a 400 loss in dps?
strong forum
link
jagged ferry
that ring is juicy... if you have belt
I’ve got belt! Is the dps increase noticeable
compact jackal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nFPArAXBzTHjaX2vq13oa9
it's taking gems out of your lariat
strong forum
and yea
dire matrix
also that yes
strong forum
youre removing 2 gems from lariat
forest coral
lariat fixed it ty
zealous spade
Damn, since when Hyrja starting with its tankbuster all the time
compact jackal
any1 got talents for council handy
itf gigachad mode
make everyone suffer for your parse
dire matrix
is it just aoe raid
dire matrix
kk
strong forum
for council you go full aoe
high haven
ruby shell or a shield 😐
compact jackal
m or h?
dire matrix
mythic
warm plinth
ruby shell or a shield 😐
Literally not even a choice
dire matrix
first time seeing all of them
high haven
ya but i also dps xD
warm plinth
Ruby shell isn't even going to be more than a middle of the pack trinket anyway
As far as I've seen
dire matrix
first 4 seem very simple mechanically
high haven
bet thanks 🙂
compact jackal
well 90% of the mechanics on m for the first 5 aren't even new for tanks
strong forum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nFPArAXBzTHjaX2vq13oa9
ik you failed your sim
dire matrix
kurog is pretty different
dire matrix
kurog is 5th yeah
forest coral
ik you failed your sim
I fixed it with removing gem selection and require 2 pieces selected
strong forum
ya ok
dire matrix
gonna be interesting going into a group thats cleared it
and being the only pepega
for my trial
LOL
compact jackal
let me check the journal to see what you might care about
topaz raptor
should i take the shoulders (would be my 3rd set piece) or the belt (biggest i lvl upgrade) ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc
pulsar sedge
3rd set piece, because you can get your 4th next week with the catalyst
dire matrix
hopefully i perform
topaz raptor
ok cool ty 🙂
pearl fog
Hey guys, if I have one spark to spend and just started tanking, what is more important: shield or weapon? both is 379 😄
dire matrix
shield for defensiveness
strong forum
none of those choices really matter because itll all be replaced with m+ gear
dire matrix
id make shield
compact jackal
whack boss
looks like it's just an add you tank swap on
strong forum
so might aswell get 1 piece closer to 4pc
dire matrix
yeah
topaz raptor
im still using my shield and sword from the sparks
compact jackal
lightning add seems to be the only painful one because of the orb
strong forum
you dont need another spark craft on your shield
dire matrix
you do fire earth ice
dire matrix
to 100 energy
strong forum
to get up to 418
compact jackal
storm is a big skip
meanwhile if you try to tell people that on h they lose their minds
dire matrix
😂
compact jackal
storm fucking sucks
flat sorrel
Do you guys think I’d get more value from going from 395 boots next week to 418 boots or wait 3 weeks and go from a 402 wep to 418 wep?
dire matrix
doing 100 energy in heroic would be monka
compact jackal
if I have to heroic leap one more time
dire matrix
with no healing cds ina pug
compact jackal
to stop the goddamn ranged from being pepegas that spread the debuff to each other
then I'm going to lose my mind frfr no kap fr
strong forum
Do you guys think I’d get more value from going from 395 boots next week to 418 ...
why wait 3 weeks
pulsar sedge
Weapon will add more than a armor piece in general
flat sorrel
Oh shit
strong forum
same as shield
flat sorrel
I have my answer then thanks man
compact jackal
and it's not 3w
next week is the last guaranteed spark
after that it's legion legendary time baby
flat sorrel
I didn’t play legion so I’m not sure what that means lol
strong forum
rng drop
pallid quiver
Pray to rng gods
strong forum
low drop rate from everything
pallid quiver
At least it's not random what you get when you do get something
strong forum
on average you should get 1 spark per week if you play an average amount iirc
dont quote me on that
dire matrix
think it was 2 weeks
pallid quiver
because man the fucking felt terrible in legion to get something nigh useless as compared to, like,
flat sorrel
Ahh ok so after next week sparks just randomly drop. That’s nice
analog lagoon
would it be worth to use 395 tier for 2pc over my 418 gloves (specifically m+ for 20-22 keys)
pallid quiver
Execute procs sudden death
dire matrix
thats just what i recall
strong forum
would it be worth to use 395 tier for 2pc over my 418 gloves (specifically m+ fo...
yes
knotty bluff
what spec to open vault in?
strong forum
its worth to use 2pc over 23ilvl on gloves
analog lagoon
ok thank you
pallid quiver
Prot until at least a 421 shield is the usual
knotty bluff
ty
eager geode
is there a guide regarding which items to craft 418 on an alt warrior that we just started playing ?
runic cosmos
dense iris
I would def take tier piece here right? would give me 3/5
blazing condor
id take it but depends what you got already
pulsar sedge
Well, you cant craft to 418 if he just started the alt. Need that big boi infusion. But wep/shield. Belt is good too
Pants are a bait tho.. pretty bad
spice axle
is the phial of eye buff perma until you get out of combat?
pulsar sedge
I personally really like the belt, but they are about the same
flat sorrel
Belt probably isn’t that great until you get the rings for it to proc right?
compact jackal
I would def take tier piece here right? would give me 3/5
chest 1 hundo
compact jackal
Belt probably isn’t that great until you get the rings for it to proc right?
belt is fine, it's probably the only time lariat is good kekw
strong forum
It's as good as any other embellishment.
None of the other embellishs give you more dmg
It's all just around 1%
flat sorrel
I’m keeping it just due to the fact that I have both the rings that proc from fire damage
pulsar sedge
I mean.. If you have the rings, then def belt 100%
compact jackal
for reference, I meant belt without rings vs lariat
flat sorrel
Oh yeah, I already have the belt I was just curious why it’s good on it’s own
But that makes sense
So next week you can “farm” sparks essentially or the week after?
compact jackal
yup
flat sorrel
Sweet thanks for the info guys
compact jackal
Lariat not being the 40% uptime you'd expect actually makes it kind of worse than I thought 🤔
strong forum
It's ~30% uptime
warm plinth
Why would you expect it to be 40% uptime
strong forum
Sometimes more sometimes less
compact jackal
Why would you expect it to be 40% uptime
the ppm of the effect
strong forum
Overlaps of procs cause average downtime to go down
viral moth
How much should I beg my loot council for dathea trinket next time it drops?
strong forum
That's normal
pulsar sedge
Idk, im glad its not giga op.. Lets us pick.. Instead of you have to have x to be good
viral moth
Seems pog for keys
compact jackal
Overlaps of procs cause average downtime to go down
which doesn't do lariat any favors lol
strong forum
How much should I beg my loot council for dathea trinket next time it drops?
Its better on tank than on dps, cuz you can actually survive the root
strong forum
which doesn't do lariat any favors lol
That's the case with all ppm buffs
compact jackal
a 418 lariat if you had 40% uptime was already less stat average than the wrists
30% just makes the wrists stronger
strong forum
Only you had the head Canon that it's 40% uptime
I always made my statement with 30%
sick sentinel
For vault should i open it as arms/fury for a chance at 421 whetstone and 421 boon (boon for weeklies, and whetstone for all keys) or open as prot for chance at upgrading main hand from 415 to 421? Got 2 mythic raid slots and 3 +20 slots
strong forum
That's for you to decide
compact jackal
2 PPM @ 12s is 24/60 or 0.4 = 40%
sick sentinel
Im so unsure though
strong forum
Yes....
pulsar sedge
I usually do fury. Arms has a chance for 2h weps, which i dont want ;D
sick sentinel
want 2nd opinions
strong forum
But as I said Morgan
Overlaps of procs cause lower uptime
I looked at logs when I made the assessment of lariat
Not at ppm
compact jackal
Yeah, and that doesn't do it any favors as an embellishment
pallid quiver
vault gave me a 421 wep that i wanted, tho
strong forum
Fury can drop 1h
sick sentinel
oh
torpid saffron
Hello.. can anyone help me with a set of talents that i should use in keys 15 and above ? I dunno if i should use Battle-Scarred Veteran/Battering Ram/Bloodborne, etc..
pallid quiver
Isnt fury and arms same loot table?
Fury adds in 1hands, ye
compact jackal
single minded fury, yup
sick sentinel
Ill open as fury then
pulsar sedge
They have single minded fury build, which is 1h's
sick sentinel
Forgot that was a thing
compact jackal
provided you get 1hs that are like 40 ilvl over a 2h it's good!
pallid quiver
I'll have you know I sacrificed a lot of children for that vault, thank you
pallid quiver
Listen, getting the orphans is too far for me, boss
pulsar sedge
I think the biggest downside to opening as prot, is tank trinkets tbh
pallid quiver
Yeah, I want off prot loot spec asap for no tank trinks
compact jackal
I think the biggest downside to opening as prot, is tank trinkets tbh
your enduring scale, sir.
strong forum
There are only 2 tank trinkets in m+
pallid quiver
It feels so bad to see tank trinks in the running
strong forum
But alot of unwanted 2hers
pallid quiver
i know nome but it hurts inside
sick sentinel
There are only 2 tank trinkets in m+
Got 415 first boss trinket
So hoping to pair with 421 whetstone
compact jackal
the real reason you run arms: -2 trinkets and fewer main/oh combos possible