protection

[tender cove]

The more comfortable you are, the less you will use it. Dont feel bad about it, there's nothing wrong about it. just not optimal

[fallen pulsar]

I no longer use d stance except for very rare edge cases

[spare turret]

on 15 u can just sit on battle stance i think

[fallen pulsar]

I sit in b stance even on 19s

[fierce geyser]

I could probably do it, just feel like I'm making the healer's job harder by taking more damage

though I guess if the mob is downed faster, less healing needed

[winter marten]

Hi guys there is a weak aura that shows my alters keys?(NO ASTRAL KEYS)

[tender cove]

the big damage will be avoidable or aoe

[fallen pulsar]

Like, my party will wipe before my stance ever becomes a savior

[tender cove]

and then you can just toggle it anyhow

unless we're talking dark claw

but fuck that dungeon

[gloomy turret]

It's your job to take damage. And you already have alot of mitigation / self heals

[tender cove]

xD

[fierce geyser]

dark claw? which dungeon is that?

[gloomy turret]

Temple

[winter marten]

tjs

[gloomy turret]

Lmao

[winter marten]

Just reflect that shit

[fallen pulsar]

Reflect, then spell block

[gloomy turret]

Reflect stun kite

[south zealot]

just face tank

dont be a noob

[gloomy turret]

^^big lul

[south zealot]

[fierce geyser]

I got some guildies still working their way up, maybe I'll do some +7-10 with them and sit in b stance and see how I like it

[ember tangle]

i saw someone in here say that for that last pack in TJS, pulling with ravager and kiting for a bit at the start, syncs up the casts so you can reflect all 3

which is real strong

[gloomy turret]

Even on the dogs in halls.. they just shit on you

[fallen pulsar]

Idk b stance is honestly sorta a mitigation tool. You kill things faster so you dont need to be tanking/finding a new defensive to use constantly

[gloomy turret]

Pull 5 dogs and get hit by all of them.. tell me how it feels lol

[fierce geyser]

those dogs in HoV can go f themselves lol

[south zealot]

dude i was doing a 7 earlier on my shitty gear dk i said in discord “i wonder how many of these i can pull” i pulled 5 and IMMEDIATELY purged

[fierce geyser]

I tried doing 5 of them on like a 12 key and just got rolled. Learned my lesson quick

[south zealot]

it was so fucking funny

[fallen pulsar]

You need to dsync their bite

But doing 5 isn’t awful

[tender cove]

I did my first 18 and it was temple, took 6 wipes and ended up CC'ing 2 of them.
I dont think i've ever been that humbled in 15 years of wow

[grave flower]

void slash in SMBG, how do you handle it? Can you spell reflect/block it?

[tender cove]

i cant say why i didnt even notice them until the 18 but yeh...

[fallen pulsar]

Usually storm bolt one wolf, shield charge another then angle shockwave desync another 2

[south zealot]

too complicated

[fallen pulsar]

Then their bites wont all go off together

[gloomy turret]

@grave flower exactly that. Or Cc/ kite

[south zealot]

just get gs

[tender cove]

dont try to tank it, ask for support stuns

[fallen pulsar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gloomy turret]

@fallen pulsar imma try that

I like that

[ember tangle]

can kite it aswell

when you are out of stuns

[grave flower]

group just kicked me for kiting in an 18 and said dont ever do that again lol

[tender cove]

can you desycn the cast by kiting slowly? having each of them force reset swing?

[fallen pulsar]

Idk I usually can facetank them after the dsync

[neat parrot]

is it a pinned post or smth explaining why battlestance > defensive stance

[fierce geyser]

just say you're chain pulling to the boss lol

[ember tangle]

any excess survivability is wasted

[south zealot]

if you dont need the damage reduction, more damage is good

[ember tangle]

but extra dmg is good

[neat parrot]

i mean 3% crit chance on abilities

is such a dps gain ?

[fallen pulsar]

You have plenty of defensive power already, and damage makes everything die daster and reduce the amount of work you amd your group have to do

[ember tangle]

you forget the penalty from dstance

[fallen pulsar]

3% and no 10% damage reduction

[neat parrot]

better than 15% dmg reduction

[south zealot]

you regain the 10% dstance takes from you

[neat parrot]

i mean does this work in 20+

[tender cove]

its 15% dmg gain because def stance lowers your dps by 10%

[neat parrot]

?

[south zealot]

if you dont need more damage reduction doing more damage is good

[fallen pulsar]

Yes

[ember tangle]

i mostly stick battle stance in all the content i have done

i haven't pushed much, but i have most keys on 20

and a few on 21

so it's deffo possible

[neat parrot]

i mean i wonder how you guys do tjs on forti without def stance, ik you can spell reflect and stun most busters but still

[ember tangle]

stun the haunting sha

[fallen pulsar]

It gets done regularly, and your damage makes a big difference in timing keys

[gloomy turret]

Spell block

[ember tangle]

and reflect dark claw

use stuns

[gloomy turret]

And lots of stuns/ kicks

[ember tangle]

and defensives

[tender cove]

ask your dps to help.

[fallen pulsar]

Spell block and reflect honestly do a lot of work

[south zealot]

depends on the pack really

[neat parrot]

i cant ask stuns and kicks in pugs they barelly handle themselves

[south zealot]

water dudes? you can stay bstance

for the sha guys usually i would stay dstance

[ember tangle]

luckily you have 3 stuns and possibly a fear by yourself

[tender cove]

get an automarker WA and before run starts, say "i'll do interupts and stun prio on star", you do it on diamond, the hunter on moon

[south zealot]

and an incap if youre panda

[tender cove]

its not fool proof but it helps avoid everyone going same target

[ember tangle]

damn

new tech

[south zealot]

if youre not panda wyd

[ember tangle]

i have been undead since forever lol

[fallen pulsar]

If you’re a tauren you get another aoe stun

[fierce geyser]

what's that auto marker WA? I feel like I'm lacking on my WA game, should check out our channel for em

[south zealot]

my first warrior was undead

[neat parrot]

is a list pinned when spellblock > tough as nails ? i mean dungeon wise

[ember tangle]

bull rush is good aswell i think

[south zealot]

dont think so but ive heard ruby is a key people take it in

ruby and azure(?)

[tender cove]

https://wago.io/1ctv3b91K/20

[neat parrot]

ruby, tjs , azure ? idk

[fallen pulsar]

I play kul tiran, so I have a wonky single target punch for an extra stun

[ember tangle]

azure you can reflect most of the dangerous stuff

[tender cove]

Basically it marks mobs when you mouseover them

[south zealot]

me and my homies hate azure

[neat parrot]

not all mobs

only the ones with castable spells

[fallen pulsar]

Tbh dwarfs are nuts for tanking, the self cleanse is so clutch

[ember tangle]

first and last boss tank smash is reflectable

[tender cove]

only dungeon i've never timed on either fort or tyr is ruby, hate that place.

[ember tangle]

the only other thing that hurts you is the frontals from the rock dudes

[neat parrot]

wyd if u dont time ruby ? what about HoV ???

[ember tangle]

and that is stunnable

[fallen pulsar]

deletes certain busters entirely

[fierce geyser]

rlp second boss hurts so much with that dot

[tender cove]

contrary to popular opinion, i actually like halls, its on the top 3 for me.

[fierce geyser]

bust shield wall and last stand just to live

[south zealot]

azure vault, sanguine depths, and sethralis are my three least favorite dungeons

[south zealot]

they just need to fix the runback

[neat parrot]

i like it as well, i m in love with stormheim and all of that zone, but never timed it on tyra/forti

[tender cove]

they just need to remove that stupid RP and not lower timer and its golden

[fierce geyser]

the RP is sooo long

[tender cove]

its a good 2 minutes RP

[south zealot]

i didnt time a single lower karazhan last season above 15

[tender cove]

remove that and timer wouldnt feel so shit

[neat parrot]

they need to increas the timer on HoV 2-4 minutes. you cant change my mind.

[fierce geyser]

but I love tanking Hyrja's blast with spell reflect and shield wall lol

[south zealot]

mostly bc i stopped trying to after like week 4 but still think it was funny

[south zealot]

remove the rp, dont lower timer, make graveyard after first boss change to the hallway

gg

[fallen pulsar]

Halls and CoS are my favorite, but thats also because legion was my favorite expac

[neat parrot]

They look forward to buff SBG and CoS . or nerf call it how oyu want

[tender cove]

this yeh, so simple but would make such a difference

[neat parrot]

Timer shortage mobs buff

[fallen pulsar]

I missed hearing skovald perform the whine to get clapped wombo combo

[neat parrot]

idk i cant wait for mdi to see these dungeon's smashed in 10 minutes

[fallen pulsar]

I think HoV benefits a ton from chain pulling

[ember tangle]

"if these false champions will not yield the aegis by choice, they will surrender it in death!"

[fallen pulsar]

Lots of mobs are only scary if you dont kite and plant your feet

[neat parrot]

Gimme Freehold season 2 thank you blizz

[tender cove]

procceeds to talk for 90 seconds

[neat parrot]

And Maw of Souls ty

[median tulip]

HoV you can pull everything from the start to the first boss and it's not even hard

[ember tangle]

i am already dreading brackenhide in s2

[south zealot]

pull it onto boss

[neat parrot]

can i see your raider io ???

[fierce geyser]

my pugs would like a word with you lol

[fallen pulsar]

I do not want to do halls of infusion

[south zealot]

ngl dragonflight dungeons overall kinda suck balls

[tender cove]

Not sure what my favorites are. I kinda like AA and NO but its far more about what I hate lol. And thats pretty much only ruby thats cancerous.

[fallen pulsar]

Halls of infusion water hallway scares me

[ember tangle]

NO is alright after the elemental nerfs

[south zealot]

shadowlands had better dungeons

[neat parrot]

wydm HoI ??? Neltharus ?????????

[tender cove]

cant even compare

[fallen pulsar]

Neltharus is just AoE fest iirc, not too many crazy casts

[fierce geyser]

you don't like getting booped? I'm more scared of those damn frogs

[median tulip]

I like how he's "I am god king Skovald" and Odin just calls him "Skovald" in a tone of voice that drips with "bitch, I am not calling you god-king"

[neat parrot]

gl routing in there tight spaces, i doubt mobs will give 0.5%

[south zealot]

the runback in halls of infusion should be a felony

[neat parrot]

show me your raider io, mr/miss pull all into first boss

i am dying of curiosity

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, I think it’ll be fine to just do fucktons of bigger pulls in neltharus

[south zealot]

i said pull into first boss bc someone said they cant wait to see mdi

[fallen pulsar]

It doesnt seem too mechanically heavy, just mob heavy

[fierce geyser]

issue is the rock throwers

[south zealot]

the triple pull isnt hard adding it into boss wont be hard for mdi

[ember tangle]

los pulls

[south zealot]

i want junkyard back

[neat parrot]

brackenhide 😄

[fallen pulsar]

Bracken on the otherhand is mob and mechanical heavy

[median tulip]

You should get a cleanse of that lol

[fierce geyser]

bracken is gonna give me a heart attack m+

[south zealot]

does anyone like the dragonflight dungeons

[neat parrot]

AA is fine

[fallen pulsar]

I like AA tbh

[fierce geyser]

I love AA

[south zealot]

i like grimrail depot and iron docks more than all the dungeons besides academy

academy is good

[tender cove]

I dont dislike them but i'm not hyped about many. NO feels the most wow to me.

[ember tangle]

i like NO and AA

[fierce geyser]

NO is pretty fun too

[median tulip]

I detest Nokhud

[fierce geyser]

I just hate third boss of NO, too much running around for me

[ember tangle]

nokhud sucks during sanguine though

[neat parrot]

RLP is fine if u are not boosted on 2nd boss, despite the coding behind drake patrols, they shouldnt patrol like this but meh, and if u dont have dispell on Flamedancer gg, Nokhud is exceptionally nice despite the trash packs at 3rd boss

Azure vault /s

[ember tangle]

dispell for flamedancer isn't that big of a deal is it?

[fallen pulsar]

I think they just shoved way too many casters into DF dungeons overall tbh. I feel like all the old dungeons have way less things you need to pay attention to/are easier to deal with

[gloomy turret]

I think once you get thru the things that are killing groups and learn what's happening. All in all I like all of the new dungeons

Bit of a diff vibe from shadowlands

[neat parrot]

Its actually mandatory in 20's if u dont want dps' to magically disappear

[south zealot]

bring back kings rest

[fallen pulsar]

Also some casts are only stunnable/fearable lmao and incredibly dangerous

[ember tangle]

i did it on 20

[south zealot]

shadow of zul fortified

[ember tangle]

and it was fine

[neat parrot]

Maybe they were cc'ed on time, but they hurt like hell

[ember tangle]

ofc we stunned the flame dance

[neat parrot]

i mean get a dh. its top dps makes your life easier

[ember tangle]

but the blaze of glory that you dispell isn't that bad right?

it just dies

[fallen pulsar]

I remember prison liking the prison dungeon in bfa, but I think thats an unpopular opinion

[gloomy turret]

Flame dance is something I always watch myself and save Shockwave/ fear for 2 sets if needed. And ask group for help if needing more

[south zealot]

tol do#agor

dagoe

[ember tangle]

tol dagor was shit

imo

cannons sucked

[neat parrot]

Gimme Siege of Boralus ❤️ or Tol Dagor best ❤️

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah tol dagor

[gloomy turret]

Rest of the group can take care of cinder kicks

[south zealot]

twighlight dev was so troll in there

[ember tangle]

and then small corridors

[south zealot]

???

siege sethralus and tol dagor are banned

[median tulip]

Azure Vault is a bit of a pain in the ass; an awful lot of ground effects on top of Thundering and then one of the ground effect affixes can be a pain in the arse

[neat parrot]

fr????????

[neat parrot]

AV IS / spit

[neat parrot]

why ?

[south zealot]

need freehold

[south zealot]

bc they suck

[fallen pulsar]

FreeIO

[ember tangle]

looking forward to sitting in a 15 second stun in uldaman

[south zealot]

kings rest was hard but fun

[neat parrot]

are they banned fr or you kidding ?

[ember tangle]

nothing like htat to break up the pace

[south zealot]

im kidding

[fallen pulsar]

Freehold was such a meme easy dungeon lol

[neat parrot]

Maw of Souls is nice as well

[median tulip]

Siege is different for different factions, isn't it? which makes M+ with cross faction groups a pain

[fallen pulsar]

Could probably base it on leader’s faction

[south zealot]

junkyard thoooo

[neat parrot]

Gimme necrotic wake to complete it with spears

[fallen pulsar]

Tru

[median tulip]

I hated Freehold; so many random adds getting pulled in pugs

[south zealot]

dude how did they come to the conclusion that sbg timer and halls of valor timer are both fair

[ember tangle]

junkyard would have been better without the stealth mobs

[neat parrot]

i mean dont complain about sbg, its fine just like that but HoV needs 2-4 minutes added

I want chill dungeons.

[fallen pulsar]

I think halls should just have skippable RP tbh, idk why they dont have a flag to disable RP in m+ dungeons

[tender cove]

someone said here today that timer was 45 min on beta vs 38 min now

[ember tangle]

sbg has the longest fucking bosses

[tender cove]

they prob just overdid it

[ember tangle]

third and last boss just takes forever

[tender cove]

third boss is bugged, thats why

[neat parrot]

Third feels like i will have my newborn before killing it

[fierce geyser]

bonemaw sucks on tyrannical. It's not hard, but now it's SUPER long

[ember tangle]

what bug?

[fierce geyser]

and enjoy an even longer fight when you get range people not coming in melee

[neat parrot]

surprize u cant bl it because last boss got fixed

[tender cove]

You're not hitting abilities on it due to hitbox so everyone is doing A LOT less dps. Add that to bad placement on inhale and its like 50% less dps xD

[south zealot]

they fixed it

[tender cove]

when?

[neat parrot]

Hitbox is extremely big

[south zealot]

think they hotfixed it

i dont recall when

[tender cove]

think or you know?

[ember tangle]

there was problems with aoe's not hitting it tho

[tender cove]

unless it was fixed this reset its not

[ember tangle]

but there was a hotfix this week indeed

[south zealot]

im almost certain they either hotfixed it or its being changed on reset

[neat parrot]

Is sidearm worth it ? it s 1.6% out of my dps

[south zealot]

yes

no reason to give it up

[neat parrot]

How much crit % you want ?

[fierce geyser]

What would you take if you got rid of it?

[ember tangle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-shadowmoon-burial-grounds-hotfix-bonemaw-hitbox-fixed-330973

[tender cove]

Doesnt look like it fixed it:
"Edit: We’ve received some reports that not all abilities seems to be able to hit. More investigation is needed. If your ability isn’t hitting the boss, you’ll still need to be right next to the worm."

[fierce geyser]

didn't even know that was an issue

[tender cove]

its apparently been issue since it was released

and nobody thought they would fix it xD

[ember tangle]

Aah rip

[tender cove]

and now they tried but didnt fix it. sounds like blizz alright

[ember tangle]

I havent been on the boss since wednesday

[south zealot]

it fixed for some abilities

[ember tangle]

So i couldnt check

[tender cove]

I'm just happy they're aware and trying

[fierce geyser]

tbf, isn't there a bird boss AA bug still there since launch?

[south zealot]

what bug

[fierce geyser]

I've experienced once where boss wouldn't even come down after last bird mob died and another where you couldn't shoot balls through blue hoop

Remember others saying they've had the issue with the latter bug I mentioned too

[ember tangle]

I had the bugged goal last week i think

[tender cove]

You also can't leave the area if you go there, have to kill boss or die. Not sure if that one is intended though but yeh, i've also had boss not spawn.

I've had vex trash randomly fly off the map, preventing vex from spawning too

[fierce geyser]

A fun quirk I've seen with AA was wiping on last mob before bird boss comes down, you release, they spawn directly on you and destroy you continuously lol

not sure how we initially died

[tender cove]

yeh, i've seen that too, they hunt you all over the place, was funny as hell

[fierce geyser]

and they hurt lol. definitely bricked the key, we finished the dung anyways, but it was definitely an f you blizzard, we're not quitting completion lol

[rigid sapphire]

when making a lariat, what stats should i have it hold? crit/haste?

[tender cove]

That mob that prevented vex from spawning also keeps you in combat for enternity, preventing drinking, mounting up etc. Was dead as dead could be xD

[tender cove]

lariat is overhyped, sure you really want it?

[south zealot]

how is it overhyped

[rigid sapphire]

it's not overhyped at all

[south zealot]

its the best embellishment for basicslly everyone

[tender cove]

we we're all conned into getting one.

[south zealot]

yes

[rigid sapphire]

because its the best lol

[tender cove]

by word of mouth.

[south zealot]

its mathematically the best though

[rigid sapphire]

ty

[fierce geyser]

It’s a good neck, just don’t pay a 50k commission.

[tender cove]

because it was percived that way

nom had a discussion about it

saying we were fooled into it.

[south zealot]

but theres sims

[rigid sapphire]

luckily, a guy on my server does it for free and works off tips. he has made me 2 already

[tender cove]

Its just an embel like the others. You could for example stack inhibitors twice for 60 second combat potions.

or was it 90 sec?

[fierce geyser]

I supply all the mats, I’ll tip like 1k gold. Yeah their time yadda yadda but I’m not spending that much gold for a single slot

[south zealot]

embellishments arent too important

theres no reason to not get a lariat if its the best one

[tender cove]

I dont wanna quote when i cant remember the full conversation but he made a thing about it and said we were all con'd into getting one, which would imply there's some of equal or better value

[south zealot]

rare nomer L

atleast for me

it sims the best in all 3 specs compared to other embellishments

[fierce geyser]

I mean with how many sparks we have, it’s one less slot to grind for

[toxic mesa]

lariat is one of the few embellishments that actually have a defensive value

[tender cove]

Like i said, i cant remember it fully but ask him when you see him and get the full picture

i'm sure it will make much more sense coming from him

i just thought it was so hard words it stuck with me

[fierce geyser]

Also back to the stats for that lariat, should we be prioritizing crit over vers? I though vers would be more important

[fallen pulsar]

Idk I already have the 900 haste raid neck, so other crafts+embellishments were actual upgrades for me at the time

[tender cove]

depends on the player. If you are the typ to sit in dstance? you go versa.

[fallen pulsar]

They’re equal valueish. They both provide offensive and defensive properties

[tender cove]

but there is no huger tank busters that you parry, they're almost all magical or bleeds

[fallen pulsar]

Crit is more offense heavy

[tender cove]

and crit offers none of that

[fallen pulsar]

Vers more defense heavy

You can parry rlp boss 2 buster

[tender cove]

I went crit/haste

on my recrafts, i've started changing for haste/vers

[ivory elbow]

has anyone played with disrupting shout

[tender cove]

i want a balance of between haste, crit, vers with haste the winner by a large margin

[scenic mural]

crit is still better defensively

[sick sentinel]

is this thing actually good

[tender cove]

very good

[south zealot]

yes

[fallen pulsar]

Yes

There are better ones, but hoof is up there

[sick sentinel]

so just um

bind it on ravager or something?

[toxic mesa]

ive went haste/vers on all my prot gear, i crafted lariat, 1h, shield, alchemy versa trinket and my fifth craft will be the triplestat bracers

[tender cove]

to avatar

[fierce geyser]

I love my hoof

[south zealot]

use on cd

[fallen pulsar]

No lol

[sick sentinel]

oh good point to avatar is nice

[fallen pulsar]

Its mainly a stat increase so binding to avatar/demo is better imo

Does better when it lines up with your damage boosters essentially

[sick sentinel]

makes sense

[tender cove]

Bind it with avatar, same with all trinkets. Then get import this wa !WA:2!DB5YZnYrDCCl0MDXdWgBL1lRtcPeg8Inp8Jn7AGueap2s2Exzj5rZU2j8qAE0stVE00Z2tp2wE5rSsyXbcfedSCxN5Kotvq5duCHQ(vQOYFa(ihDrbx4a)6zg5h7MaPkQIdCrQNFD3t3)(957VVsPUxMaTBn1lp1nZ0mJDg79h7itg3MWvnS20MZ89hs1LU7UgC7S6mMRG6BUTrd2klEqRBRv(oT0Pv7zekCy8s(ckZlqH3Qu96beXY)HW)5VdgyGb6A4zHZxMr9eMlKROEoTUXhYcmxg)2PsLk9nc5U(VGJq4h8ktpT8eMIYM(KJy6z5gwrV(50cegCHIzDQhnWrrf)sO0wWPnAq4bp)15jdFuhBIzy966T8j8LZvOC(7wqvGpOzeYnUr7aFIR7k2bkhfeAs2I4jQGRMUt3QlmFf9Qv0Nxt)KPkZj4uAvkNRqb1q8en9DnAr4ArZAUmXWv4O5z0KeOCqOxYvq5ymJjCpd37Hxn82)Wdm8OnnKjYCWLZFiXiGurWjEneoxcgr1J5r6zJxp5kQkVS8aIfZZoOTCPYubgxTPb1lp8zXnaJdxh(CWe43p7tgHVv8zMUdMeAKgrSr1LzyNxnGUl5QAndrCQOIfcRRctPOz5AeeihzkmCX0soSNzIoigvPtNUC6zM6wMbSqUfXK20NXfAbw4gsBgdvNoXFNZUbXF4kpi0GtYMp01n76oubPdp6UiZfTgCwOFYYRG3PN5W4XXcObndinXSqB2PMzQz6iywjP01s9OoJrTBRZPEBsebDRZXkpwinegPpowTLxgsEiMvwqlxUIMyzSoTHYbbe36rsryq(o9vQt)U(OqDGBesT7AwuR5I7U4KF56KoYApnww3L6vNXJHNsI(DfpC3PZyD79NOdfxBLOQYloaCb4zG8PGl9wJdFuyWEwyNJnBBVkBt9j1Gpg8XHpbkauGNvbgsbg(YxhY83r(JLNMWl5FTfswF2YCwdojii7eRGtnjCnyu45HxWF4Was1gepcNAvXHTDjVA9o3Jhfe9v)xeKvbEr4tDaNifpuVgJn7TGpPYHYxJ8qlIfRA(zoz6Qmu6ziy8X(AVAp5IozMAT7V(R9r(hxaEo4kWNwXFyz35we9yD)QmBYVDayShE8MeI)8sbMqtw4CGpJu3)KA3j)pRMXM5adHSZG4aF(0Wx4vUkmspuzl1NszKN9(xXpJGSJOAGJbMZBeZ2u(Jgfm6Jyawnizam(bNm3yJh4p0z2(PwthfhTVSrD(7QxY)5IcIgFmPIWADQTWrDE8XJJpi6oe7OG71lwp(AjxNdJM)(HbcA9wWGD4mbMt6yq1ILkMdgHJjLCnDIwOv)2U0hKKbEc)HYZP7MDTqdBPIpRU(5s8(NuVOyBJc115g(TxpzqVtEproJLUREHvkMlj3pJtT)WRuSyoTQQL01lTQ2klTS(PBv2SoAsMTX5YSTObutxsT3Rxdx2255Khes8SAv(cZm1nUvC2jNqQ8wYnPm70wgsED6zgkemVsyJo6V2rgUqK74iDLJ7NAh0O)wJknrZTXzNRsKHu0vq3HATPh2dLwv(Ot08fOyKHJE)QXMwMoeAdhXEWxCRUsfoEVXEvBPi)4(DjjXQbZkTg7idBXAAAiQbZiJath95xk6ZxgUj8vvLUcANcX29DcQDy)rsBsh4TRblQaZNwDxgRzk4vHVo8nsS56T6sz1ig2TYwHX8avybndxFhJ0ABhjW8ZGxK(n6yRh2PHEml1Do6MV(xzUfMSq(zrFsP1jEoxuX)k9pzPOBrAGbIlBhyff42kqoyW9Nak8uwyWQFa2w)ry9iJaPZu5AWADJnEIUWslhqVgA0inTGxckj9HgbkMyBaBe5saVwSVW9Grm9r3oIiYdanaKn)pg9Ad9SilsSmA9HXQaE9tDiGV1(xb(2PGVdg(7IT4q1OwAOgyaMGfyVhqsb1X8Rb4GlNc3pItWMGlGCWdyGp8aGdbGyuimfSvT3d2UVAg2bA5a7cpe(EJaF)uWpiEZ)WuWBKg2ln02bEZHH3Yb(rsDf8OOk1por)a7)bkBG3g(jXVQFAn4DovDa)SZlnA3xAivfWppn8l2dExj7xTezMDw3sRXAta)sj1HF1hgchFuNY1)2r95ksrjcLSdP5AWVwssjqLi(POjEg)VLcyf)POasM3icbiiolfIl(ifEuuco95zX5PawVsuMWJ7lkFm8BIKAOuCKtLPjsXNiISLbl(l1vmXAtUzWClnHFtjHqACwoQ6Wy1LWdrCcjrEJGlrfGyhHhQfIB)gs2bEgiEPL)MT)Zz)t4FG5STQNJKJE5)pNKyc(VLKxms8FM6x)A7)v8DPUKk38Mo3zULVZc3)9bShVUd()tXFrJK0N((W48l)7)RfK)7ZboLZVJtMT(lB8Vc

[thin mulch]

should i be mostly using battle stand in dungeons

[sick sentinel]

whats that for

[thin mulch]

?

[sick sentinel]

oh isee

[fallen pulsar]

I dont remember iff demo shout interacts with the wave/damage trinkets though. Since it increases enemy damage taken rather than boosting your damage.

[tender cove]

It will track grieftorch, hooz and whetstone trinkets. And when its ready. you will see an icon

[fierce geyser]

Consensus tonight is yes. Treat d stance as a defensive

[sick sentinel]

you use battle stance when you know for sure youre not gonna die

[tender cove]

so you know when to press it

[sick sentinel]

other than that use def stance

[thin mulch]

ok

[fallen pulsar]

Honestly once you get comfortable with prot warrior you really dont need d stance other than for emergencies. You become comfortable enough using your other options to live through anything

[sick sentinel]

okie dank

[fallen pulsar]

Like, I’ve had groups butt pull like 4 packs in fort week before the 2boss fight(archer and melee dude) and I took like no damage on a 17

[rigid sapphire]

what gems should i throw in a lariat?

[fallen pulsar]

With bstance on

Haste/vers or haste/crit

[rigid sapphire]

all the same or 2 of the same and 1 different

[fallen pulsar]

I would prefer doing haste/crit if I had a lariat

That, I don’t remember the general advice for

[sick sentinel]

when i made mine literally all of the good war was using this set up

100% of them

not sure about now

[fallen pulsar]

Can it proc the diamond stats?

[sick sentinel]

no

it cant matter that much anyway tbh

551 haste 551 vers 551 crit

they wont matter that much in long run

[south zealot]

should be vers haste instead

[foggy ruin]

what do we train dragon for m+

[mortal brook]

either ST or haste, prob

still gettin heckin data, still doesnt sim right

[coarse umbra]

Ok I’m sure this is a dumb question. What spec do we open vault in?

Is tier universal? Or is it spec specific

[toxic pewter]

tier is universal

when it comes to which spec, mostly comes down to if you need a 1h weapon/shield, defensive trinkets. If no to all of that you can open in arms for 2h weapon and dps trinkets

[coarse umbra]

Ty

[visual moat]

are there any dungeons you wouldnt run spellblock in?

[fallen pulsar]

I wouldnt run spell block in any dungeon that isn’t rlp or tjs

And even then I’ll skip spellblock on rlp some times

[grim hornet]

Does Charged Blast in COS just always slap?

[sand kettle]

Yes, it's a frontal you can stun or dodge

[sick sentinel]

huhhhhhhhhhhhh

i never even noticed it

[fallen pulsar]

[sick sentinel]

i mean you got stunned so theres that

[dire moss]

that better then bigtoe?

id assume so

[south zealot]

sim it

probably yes tho

[night galleon]

pack in the middle of hallway in HoV missing in MDT?

anyone know how much its worth?

[amber siren]

It's showing on mine

It's worth 4.07%

[night galleon]

weird

i updated my addons last night

[radiant igloo]

anyone using the ruby whelp shell at all?

[neat parrot]

i do cuz the tank trinket or any other trinket wont drop, so im stucked with whelp shell and windscar 😄

[restive crown]

puzzle box worth using for prot?

[bold turret]

What do we train the welp on?

[gloomy turret]

@neat parrot I'm stuck with a 379 absorb trinket, can't get any other relevant tank trinks either

Hoofs seem to drop to me by the plenty tho

[foggy ruin]

any tips on getting snap threat? im having a lot of dps take melees early in the pull especially in big ones. starting to become an issue for me in 21s cuz they sometimes die

[amber siren]

it's decent, just needs to be prepped since it has a cast time

[final gust]

taunt during charge is something i've needed to learn on bosses

[night galleon]

I learned the hard way that if you cast it during combat you dont block anything and just get melted

[restive crown]

ohh? didnt know that lol

[night galleon]

it feels like it

after i start casting i just get hit for liek 25% of my health

[warm plinth]

Casting what @night galleon

[night galleon]

Puzzle box

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah you can't block/dodge/parry during like 99% of casts/channels

[sick sentinel]

ez

[zinc spruce]

dude

ok

i have no idea how some people have such inflated r.io

there isnt even a game braking busted op class

[limpid anchor]

What’s inflated for you

[zinc spruce]

people underperforming to the degree that you assume they have thousands of ping

because they play from the middle east

[limpid anchor]

Well that’s because dps is a brain dead role

[heavy temple]

People have bad days, make mistakes, havent done X key in 1/2 weeks

[sonic eagle]

what boss @sick sentinel

[limpid anchor]

You don’t need to be good to get 2.7

Just play a lot

[zinc spruce]

true

i'm actually satisfied from a single digit number of DPS players, and i have played with 3 digit amount of them

i'm sure not everyone is satisfied with my performance too

[heavy temple]

What r.io are you on?

[zinc spruce]

i'm at 1700 ish but i always try to invite people higher than me, for the sake of learning a thing or two

[limpid anchor]

Well

You won’t notice shit until 2.6

And even then people are scuffed af

1700 is like all 14s? Or so

A key range where you can smash your head

If you want to learn, invite a high Rio tank

[proud dock]

is the new RLP strat to go right? do fire dragon and skip thunder?

[limpid anchor]

Skip both :>

[heavy temple]

You want to skip both, but thunderhead gets close to not possible depending on your comp in the WF key range

[zinc spruce]

but im the tank

[limpid anchor]

That’s the bane of being a tank

Can’t learn shit besides watching some streams

[frozen silo]

i am that guy :c

[zinc spruce]

lots of my league friends play league from there xd

[frozen silo]

still remember the pull where my ping hit 26k or something on mythic sire

[zinc spruce]

idk how they do it

HAHA

[limpid anchor]

Most from israel and shit are fine connection wise tho

[zinc spruce]

yeah

well they use a VPN because some stuff like league, some social media were banned

iirc

[young mango]

I’m not getting to 2,7k cuz I play with degenerated shit pugs. I can not count how often I’m not getting cleared and we wipe

[zinc spruce]

i think the dungeons are not very pug friendly

[limpid anchor]

That seems delusional tho

Like yea, sure, some suck. But if you play enough it’s not that bad

[young mango]

I stop counting ppl die in tjs first boss riptide in walking phase

[limpid anchor]

Im Stuck bcs I can play maybe 1 key a day

I only have hunters dying to the beam

[young mango]

Im not getting invites for keys I need

[zinc spruce]

Pug life is hard

I really appreciate how pugs were back in legion, i didnt realize it then

[young mango]

Even with 411 Ivl and 2650 rio

[zinc spruce]

I have noticed that some people wont invite you unless you are from their server

A french group of people from Archimonde did it because they needed the CoS trinket, they'd offer gold in return for the guy that'd get it

i dont know to what degree it happens

and how frequently

but yea

[young mango]

Probably should find a healer I trust and bust keys cuz it all depends on heal in most cases

[zinc spruce]

I think if you find a good Evoker, for bloodlust purposes

you got nothing to worry about

you can be as picky as you want with DPS afterwards

[toxic pewter]

Just missed timing av 20 by 8 seconds. Feelsbadman

[wicked abyss]

are we able to macro ravager and roar?

[toxic pewter]

Ravager sort of awkward in macros cuz of how it’s a placement ability

In my opinion at least

[neat lagoon]

I like to macro avatar with ravager, then have a separate castsequence macro with demo/roar/shield charge, etc.

[wicked abyss]

what about avatar and roar/shield charge?

[mighty valley]

Avatar has a variable cooldown due to AM

If you macro it into something you’ll miss casts of one of them

[stark bramble]

Macro avatar into every button you have.

[mighty valley]

And you definitely can’t macro two GCD abilities together

[toxic pewter]

Just don’t use combo ability macros

[jagged pier]

ah yes a great way to use avatar when a packs about to die and waste the cooldown

[stark bramble]

Pull another pack

[mighty valley]

Can’t people just like. Press their buttons

[toxic pewter]

Wait do you actually bind avatar to every ability

[neat lagoon]

Warrior brain at its finest?

[stark bramble]

No lol, but I'm always trying for 45% uptime

[toxic pewter]

The amount of “that ability is not ready yet” sounds alone would drive me nuts

Lol

[limpid anchor]

They don’t have fingers

That’s why they want the Swifty oneshot macro

[mighty valley]

oh god I turned those off a million years ago

[toxic pewter]

Yah I know lot of people don’t play with in game sounds and stuff

At least in some form

[mighty valley]

I play with sounds but I mash so much I couldn’t handle the error speech

[toxic pewter]

Actually good point lol

I should look in this

[sick sentinel]

macro avatar to ravager and roar

maybe shield charge

thats about i

t

[sonic eagle]

Macro 😦 men just press them

[limpid anchor]

Why?

[vital oak]

gonna want them at the same time anyway, save a button press.

[limpid anchor]

That’s not true

[sick sentinel]

ok when would you use ravager/roar but not avatar

[vital oak]

Is for me, Avatar/Roar, Avatar/Ravager, repeat.

[limpid anchor]

When I want to pull with ravager

[sick sentinel]

i just use it anyway its like 1 sec uptime

[vital oak]

only really need to do that if you're trying to cheese reflect

i would rather stun/inturrupt and kill

[sick sentinel]

you usually avatar on your charge either way

[tawdry dirge]

how good or bad is the alchy trinket for us?

[jagged pier]

bad

[tawdry dirge]

ohh sad life,..

cause iirc it has haste on it

[solar blade]

now i know why many people struggle..they try to make it simple but they just make it more complicated pepega

but its fine, please reroll to another tank

[flint kelp]

At what haste % was it worth running into the fray instead of heavy? 30%? Remembered someone discussing this yday but cant seem to find it when scrolling back. Saw naowh running bolster and into the fray in keys yday but he's got much higher haste then me

[limpid anchor]

Wdym, it saves 1 button

[sick sentinel]

...?

[limpid anchor]

Makes it more efficient

[sick sentinel]

im 2.8k lol

i will reroll another tank when theyre meta

[jagged pier]

~35% unbuffed

[limpid anchor]

Fotm, ofc

[jagged pier]

but u should always just play HR in keys tbh

[warm plinth]

I mean, personally I don't give a fuck what people do with macros and shit. I'm just never going to say it's okay or something you should do. And I will certainly call people out for recommending it to other people.

[sick sentinel]

not in tyrannical with ranged comp

other than that usually fine

[jagged pier]

espeically then

u wont ever get stacks of ITF

[sick sentinel]

oh

for some reason i thought you said the other way around

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

eh idk haste means more dmg

[jagged pier]

but u loose Shield block

[sick sentinel]

it kind of depends

[jagged pier]

its worthless

no

it doesnt

[sick sentinel]

a lot of times in higher keys youre stuttering anyway

[jagged pier]

HR is actually more dps on ST in m+ which is where its more important anyway

[jagged pier]

so your stuttering away so u wont have ITF stacks

so its useless to run

[sick sentinel]

not that far out man lol

but its not that important

play whatever you comfortable with

[jagged pier]

well if your in range for ITF

your in range to get melee'd

so HR is better

[sick sentinel]

i mean with into the fray youre still gonna have like 90% ish uptime

87~90 typically

[jagged pier]

logs

please

prove it to me

[sick sentinel]

ill do some tmr

actually let me see if i can find some rn

[limpid anchor]

Care, he’s 2.8

[jagged pier]

and?

the best warrior in SLs had 50% blocked hits

top warriors atm are running Bloodborune

io means nothing

[limpid anchor]

That’s kinda the point

[warm plinth]

This is a Halls 24 with ItF

[timid coyote]

@jagged pier Hey, I know it was a long time ago just after Christmas you mentioned you wouldn't mind giving me some feedback on prot warrior m+ logs. Does the offer still stand or no?

Just trying to optimise my damage output a little more

[jagged pier]

i did give u feedback

[jagged pier]

and thats his blocked hits

[timid coyote]

I never sent you a log around then?

[jagged pier]

we dont care about uptime

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I know. I wasn't suggesting it was a good idea

[empty inlet]

what to do with my welp trinket

[warm plinth]

I was just saying that his uptime guess was accurate

[sick sentinel]

ok i actually dont know how to filter in combat time on key logs lol

but something like this is around 87

eitherway

you dont always need 95% uptime on block

[jagged pier]

can we please stop using uptime

[sick sentinel]

when the packs about to die etc

[jagged pier]

we have said this so many times

we only care about blocked hits

[warm plinth]

He's not even looking at uptime. He's looking at blocked hits.

Which is all that matters.

[sick sentinel]

yea then what im saying makes even more sense

like when 4 out of 6 mobs you pulled already died

and the 2 are left with 10% hp

you dont really need block up

you just run to next pack

[warm plinth]

Except that doesn't seem to be happening if he's at 82% blocked hits

Taking almost 20% of your hits without SB up is not a risk you should be taking

[sick sentinel]

its not really though

[warm plinth]

Not really what

[sick sentinel]

going to 70% hp then get hot back up is not that dangerous

but again, its not that important, play whatever youre comfortable with

i run block extension on hard fortified keys

tyrannical generally haste feels better

warriors rn have insane triple buffering physical dr, having shield block up can be over kill in a lot of scenarios, you should still have it up as much as possible ofc, but youre not gonna be in that much trouble if you miss couple of seconds of it

at least thats how i feel

[warm plinth]

This is why blocked hits are important

Literally died here because he didn't have SB up

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

i mean

this looks like a double in NO 3rd boss

engaging without cd is risky innately

i actually dont know what happened here

he doesnt have anything up lol

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

He would literally have been fine if he had shield block up. He went from 48.2% to 0 in about a second and a half.

[sick sentinel]

i would say he died because they missed 3 death bolts and he got hit by mortal strike at the mean time

if either of these 2 didnt happen he would also be fine

[warm plinth]

Yeah a 72k mortal strike

Guess how much that does if he has shield block up

[sick sentinel]

you sutter step it tho

[sick sentinel]

thats why i said im not sure what happened here

no the mortal strike damage is not the issue

its healing reduction thats dangerous

[warm plinth]

The healing reduction was not the danger in that scenario

[sick sentinel]

ok

[jagged pier]

did u post one? i get asked a lot just send one i guess

[warm plinth]

He was dead 1 second later because he took 140k damage in one second.

Because he didn't have shield block up

[drifting needle]

I mean it’s been said, 3x casts ain’t exactly huge fun either.

[warm plinth]

No but that's not the issue...like yeah obviously the casts could've been stopped but even with the casts going off, he could have saved that death.

[drifting needle]

I mean I’ve had issues myself on the same pack when MS goes up and multiple casts go off. At least in the 23+ range in Nok, you fall behind

[flint kelp]

Ah alright ty!

[warm plinth]

The healing debuff had literally 0 to do with the death here though

[drifting needle]

I get your point re shield block, just stating 3x casts going off at high fort is no bueno

[pallid quiver]

damn, shame that the healing debuff made him take more damage. it's a good thing healing debuffs work like that instead of making healing do less

[mighty valley]

we’re really somehow arguing against “taking unblocked hits is cool actually”

[inner hound]

It could have just been a misplay, even the top pushers make mistakes. Fact remains though that they do play ITF a lot and apparently can live keys

[warm plinth]

This was a 24 tyrannical. Not suggesting the casts aren't still dangerous. Just making sure the info is correct.

[pallid quiver]

I can see ITF be played if your group is literally all melee, as well, along with having the haste to back it up.

but like, just don't drop SB still, though

so i'd just HR anyways

[warm plinth]

You're so close to the point. My entire argument is that top key pushers are not some gods that should be blindly trusted or assumed to always make good decisions just because of their io

Just because x plays ItF doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it

[pallid quiver]

if some of the top key pushers make decisions related to mitigation that makes them overall mitigate less damage than me, that means they've still got work to do on the class playing side

[warm plinth]

Because it can cause situations like that. But good thing he had that extra haste amirite

[pallid quiver]

They'll still shit on me in key performance, tho

Since there's a lot of things that go into someone having high IO/times on keys

[warm plinth]

Hell he could even have made the call to run Bolster which at least would've helped cover some of the gaps. But he wasn't even running that.

[pallid quiver]

and it ain't just "damn they good at game" because there's a lot of skill sets in the game

[agile veldt]

hey - fellow tanks. Anyidea where this comes from, or is it a warcraft log bug?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j9yMXwYBGgh6mkV7#fight=21&type=auras&source=118

[drifting needle]

I mean I wouldn’t be taking too much from RIO as alot of it are seasonal rerollers.

[warm plinth]

where what comes from

[agile veldt]

oops,

spellreflect buff, that increases your damage?

[inner hound]

I'm not here to argue about/for that. I play HR and prefer the safety. But things might change in bleeding edge keys where the itf aoe dps makes the difference

[mighty valley]

almost everyone in here is better off with a build that lets them basically not think much about maintaining shield block

free your brain up to play the dungeon well

[warm plinth]

From what I can tell it's just a bug

[agile veldt]

yeha, it was my conclusion as well

[zinc spruce]

ayyyyyyy

decent upgrade

[jagged pier]

i mean valor is uncapped soon

so u can just upgrade

[pallid quiver]

Did they announce a valor uncap?

[zinc spruce]

valor?

[pallid quiver]

i thought we were only guessing

[jagged pier]

I dunno the ppl that run like 50 keys a week in my guild said in like 2 weeks it was becoming uncapped

🤷

[pallid quiver]

yeah, i've heard the same thing, but I haven't seen it from anything official

[vital oak]

sounds like wishful thinking

[pallid quiver]

It wouldn't surprise me if it came in 2 weeks/with 10.0.5, but

[torn pebble]

Would that be same time as catalyst ?

[zinc spruce]

whats valor

[torn pebble]

And you still need rating to upgrade so

[zinc spruce]

O.O

[pallid quiver]

i got the rating, i don't got the valor

[mortal brook]

Prob 10.0.7 tbh

[pallid quiver]

If an actual question, the currency you get from clearing M+ dungeons that you can use to upgrade pieces of gear

[zinc spruce]

i had

no

idea

no cap

man im stupid

[blazing condor]

christmas for you then

[pallid quiver]

yeah, the cap only goes up by 750 every week, so you still have to be careful

but uh, yeah you gots some ilvl you can gain

[torn pebble]

I’d wait till after vault at this point but have at it

[vital oak]

Maybe even run the raid first as well if you do that on Tuesdays.

There's nothing like grabbing a piece from the vault that instantly drops for you.

[zinc spruce]

spend it all

can't contain my impulsiveness

[fading plover]

Welcome Brothers warriors

[jagged pier]

👋

[nova rover]

Hey guys whats "better" the unstable frostfire belt or say the fenrir belt?

I should state for keys

[past gyro]

how much more dps overall are brewmasters pulling over prot atm would you estimate

[strong forum]

20%

[zinc spruce]

Why Are they buffing MM? I thought his dmg was more than fine

[blazing condor]

i had one who did 60k on AA yesterday

and 30k st

[sick sentinel]

Skill issue

[strong forum]

Altho I have to say, I dont rly think that brew is that much more offensive than pwar anymore

Like I did 67k overall in +20 AV with just 407 ilvl

I don't think brew does that much more

[blazing condor]

nah

maybe on a bigger scale

like it averages out to being more than the average pwarr

but id imagine the ceiling is pretty close

[drifting needle]

Curious to see where this lands them.

[keen spire]

Do we have a spot here for trinket advice/rankings?

Bloodmallet doesn't seem particularly useful, since it's just about doing max damage

[blazing condor]

well

thats kinda what it is about really

what trinkets you got?

[keen spire]

I just mean that it's not as useful for what I'm aiming at haha

I have tons of trinkets. Right now, I've been using a Decoration of Flame and Blazebinder's Hoof

But I have a scale, horn of valor, puzzle box, algethar balls, darkmoon deck, that bag that pulls random things out, and a bunch of trinkets at 379 from world rares, like blazing essence and shit

[eager phoenix]

whetstone>blazebinders hoof is probably your best dungeon choice in both passive/on-use category
could dabble with a high ilvl ruby whelp scale if you cba training it up. the haste and crit buff as well as aoe/st builds seem ok
boon/torch your on-use raid choice
all-totem/icon your passive raid choice

[keen spire]

[strong forum]

Makes their rotation harder, it's a 1-2% aoe nerf and 2-3% St buff

So realistically it's an overall nerf cuz you gotta play even better

To pull the same numbers

[sterile bough]

that being said if u go full dmg build on prot u cna achive 85k + rn as well

[stuck basin]

thats an azure voult ?

[sterile bough]

aa

[topaz field]

seen brew close to 100 k in aa with 407 or 408

[sterile bough]

oh wait

he said av

not aa

[hardy fractal]

who here using stormeaters boon

[strong forum]

Highest I've seen from pwar in AA is 98k

But that's also with going ultra max pad, like equinox aswell

[sterile bough]

thats AV

really close I guess

[strong forum]

Ye

Naowh did 72k on his pwar yesterday

In +23

[sterile bough]

so we back to brm being dogshit at everything

[topaz field]

bro brew is 10000000 times harder than pwar 😄

on any on those keys

so i think its fine that they have better dmg

[sterile bough]

im brew main that rolled to prot ;s

gimme back my brew

[blazing condor]

just reroll back

[strong forum]

Isnt brew looking good af in 0.5

That's what I'm being told

[topaz field]

i think they still lack solid tankiness tbh

but might be wrong

[jagged pier]

u are

[hardy fractal]

i think its a safe bet to keep your c tier tank waiting in the wings for the big buff

[jagged pier]

who rerolls based on tier lists

also tier lists

[topaz field]

its big hopium if ppl think its worth to reroll brew and do like 5-10 k more overall

[sterile bough]

I remember doing ID on brew and prot, on the stars pull where u pull first 3 pack and u have to kinda wait a bit on brew I popped all defensives still barely lived on warrior I wouldnt mind if there were 2 more packs

[topaz field]

when pwar is not dying

but i will eat my owns words probably

[blazing condor]

who rerolls

[jagged pier]

exactly

my point

play what u enjoy

[wraith niche]

Spell reflect being the most satisfying ability in the game overrides any tierlist

[hardy fractal]

people who arent getting invited to keys reroll

[jagged pier]

ive never not been invited to a key based on class

[zinc spruce]

FoTm Andies

[jagged pier]

thats a confirmation bias youve built in your head

[hardy fractal]

thats probably because you are really good at the game

[stuck basin]

true story 😉

[hardy fractal]

some of us are not very good at the game

[jagged pier]

no i hardly run keys

if anything im worse at keys than a lot of ppl in here

[blazing condor]

when pwarr was considered absolute dogwater in SL it would take longer to get into keys but id always eventually get in

[jagged pier]

if i didnt have too do keys i would literally just raid log

[hardy fractal]

still hurts to think about

[zinc spruce]

Isnt Veng getting some bufferonis too?

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

[topaz field]

high key meta is fix anyways as long as u reflect the shit out of nokhud and tojs

[stuck basin]

cos imps reflect is really nice as well - not as valuable like the boss ones in nokhud sure but you get almost a million dmg from 1 use on 20 forti 😉

[strong forum]

The reflect on imps is pretty much exclusively pad

Doesn't speed up the key in any way

[gaunt dawn]

reroller here 👋

but to the good tank

[jagged pier]

yer just immune every mechanic in the raid

[strong forum]

Panth on prot

Nah

He bdk

[gaunt dawn]

i made the mistake that naowh almost did

VDH

[jagged pier]

yer exactly bdk

[gaunt dawn]

can confirm, not worth

[jagged pier]

immune everything in raid

[gaunt dawn]

BDK 📈

Prot warrior has its advantages tho

Being able to do big dam on raszageth red side

[strong forum]

Roar goes brr

[gaunt dawn]

cheeky weapon throw

oops

[jagged pier]

wrecking throw goes brrrrrr

[gaunt dawn]

500k hit

45s cd btw

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

That too ye

[jagged pier]

can throw it for a cheeky 20k inbetween

[gaunt dawn]

easier to just save it for red add

thats what you need it for

[jagged pier]

P1 and P3 i mean

[gaunt dawn]

unless for some reason warrior is going blue side

ye

[hardy fractal]

should i be using battle stance in raid

like in between taunt swapping

[jagged pier]

u should be in it the whole time

[blazing condor]

you shouldnt need to sit in def stance

to survive

[gaunt dawn]

ras p3 breath if you dont have a solid CD plan

[jagged pier]

tell that to the end of kurog earch phase when u have the add and the boss and all the small adds making u take more physical damage

[gaunt dawn]

thats about it

[zinc spruce]

do you guys game with "eye care" function on your computer?

[blazing condor]

whats that

[jagged pier]

i have a red light fliter

for when it gets late

[hardy fractal]

interesting thanks i have no idea on when to b stance

trying to improve in that aspect

[zinc spruce]

makes colors "warmer" and doesn't strain your eyes as much

[blazing condor]

oh i have the same as jakey

[jagged pier]

thats what hes talking about

😂

[zinc spruce]

tryna get used to it

[blazing condor]

well idk what eye care is specifically

[zinc spruce]

i didnt either

[jagged pier]

not much to get used to it just turns stuff red

blue light makes u less sleepy basically

so having red light makes it easier to fall asleep etc etc

[zinc spruce]

which is why lots of people might have some trouble sleeping if the use their phone on bed

[jagged pier]

i have one for that as well

but i dont use my phone within 30 mins of going to bed

or computer

but its supposed to be an hour and a half

but then ill be going to sleep at like 1 am thats not happening

[zinc spruce]

Only thing that can affect my sleep is stress

or 10 redbulls

[sweet summit]

fun fact
if you drink 12oz of gasoline you can sleep for as long as you want

[jagged pier]

😮

huge

[sweet summit]

don't think u can wake up tho so prob not that fun

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[zinc spruce]

[blazing condor]

thats exactly for as long as i want

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

until you wake up in the maw

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

forced to do sanguine depths for all of eternity

[jagged pier]

👀

[real ocean]

I‘d take that over Tal Dagor ngl.

[rugged verge]

Embellishments

[jagged pier]

what about them?

[lime urchin]

maybe its a game! we say random words!

ill go next

Pancakes

[whole vortex]

So uhh, how many times will I kill myself using Storm-Eater's boon before I go back to my old bad trinkets?

It's just too tempting to use in big packs

[pallid helm]

Guys, im not sure if i get it right. Can i wear Lariat+Unstable Frostfire belt + Molten sword/defender?

[jagged pier]

if the sword and shield dont have embleishments on them

[whole vortex]

Blizzard could have done a better job explaining embellishments

[wind cliff]

hey there someone shared a week aura for spell reflect but i cant find it anymore anyone has it ?

[young mango]

Sanguine is next reset uff

[whole vortex]

Ezpz

Just walk backwards

[young mango]

Its not about me walking more like mobs not moving

[whole vortex]

Sounds like a problem for classes with pushback

And dps needing to work harder

[young mango]

But dps just tunnel

Like oh wait curator is going to start channel let’s nuke everything else asap to drop sanguine right here

Ik its up to me as a tank but yeah hate these mobs like longbow archer in no

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[grave knoll]

spellblock useful in sbg?

for voidslash thing from skeletons

[wild kayak]

Was the consensus aoe dummies for whelp or single target?

[whole vortex]

Yes

If you're dying to magic damage, spell block is useful. And magic damage is just about the only thing you'll find in sbg

[strong forum]

Eh, only until 1st boss

Anything after first boss isn't spellblockable

Unless you try to just eat the void bolts

[whole vortex]

The skeletons before first boss is the only real danger in the whole dungeon though

But you could kite them as well

Lots of room there

[analog sparrow]

Happy box day boys

[bold olive]

Would you open as prot or arms today?

[zealous spade]

Fury if you don't want to exclude 1 handers

[bold olive]

Eh, I'm only getting 2 421 choices and already have the 418 crafted.

[young mango]

Void slash can be outranged never used spellblock in sbg

[silk pond]

How should I make my Ruby Whelp Shell?

[sick sentinel]

With love and care

[silk pond]

ree

Thinking either 3/3 AoE Dmg/haste proc or just full 6 in either for m+

[young mango]

Just wondering if you could train more trinkets 🤔 like having 2 shells with different training and uses

[peak lily]

No. Its character locked. It transfers to a new one, so you can get a heroic one and start training it before u get a good one.

[analog sparrow]

Ayyy that's really cool

[zinc spruce]

WAIT

fuck

i thought u can get 4500 valor a week

not a season

[jagged pier]

we did say it was limited

[peak lily]

imagine getting 4,5k every week

[zinc spruce]

[peak lily]

They will probably uncap it sometime into next patch

[zinc spruce]

when is next season again? :4Head:

so

i left my coke next to the vent of my laptop

it has the warmth of piss

[warm plinth]

Thanks for sharing...

[peak lily]

January 24th

[warm plinth]

The next season is not January 24th

The next patch is January 24th

[peak lily]

True, mb

[eager phoenix]

What time locally is NA reset? Say east coast

[warm plinth]

10am

[young mango]

I got fire dmg ring but cant proc it atm maybe next id I can drop one of the trinkets is it worth to craft the belt?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[young mango]

Unlucky even if I have one of the trinkets ?

[warm plinth]

Well none of the trinkets are going to do fire damage as often

[young mango]

Damn I wanted to craft a 2h next 😂

[whole vortex]

Prot should also get titans grip so we can be rid of one handed weapons in our loot pool once and for all

[ionic plank]

real

why is there no 2h + shield option

[grave flower]

Just wield one of the fury artifacts and a shield.

Is that possible?

It should be if not. Games busted. Give us our fantasy

(I know you can’t do this)

[whole vortex]

No polearm + shield class fantasy. Come on blizzard

[zinc spruce]

just give us fury passive

[lethal violet]

Hi do you guys use spell block on M+ as prot warrior? I going to try ir on M+ and feel like its only really valuable on ruby, nokhud offensive. What do you guys think?

[grave flower]

I do on some dungeons. Others I don’t.

[whole vortex]

Yep, it's situational

[flat jackal]

They should've allowed us to equip 2h with a shield 😦

[zinc spruce]

Ruby, temple and azure vault i think

[uneven mason]

Tjs

[lethal violet]

Though as nails gives a Nice damage

Yes and templs too

2nd boss and Adds até The end

[zinc spruce]

You don't HAVE to in lower keys, but i think in temple it's mandatory

i have PTSD on last pack temple

so i always take it

[young mango]

Its Not but its free if you have it literally no dmg on the Last pack in tjs only threat is exploding smallies

[zinc spruce]

is there an adventurers guide kind of thing for adds?

[young mango]

Mdt addon

[zinc spruce]

oh

[young mango]

U can Look up hp spells and so in from trash per Dungeon and ilvl

[zinc spruce]

awesome

ty

[warm plinth]

It is not particularly accurate tbh

HP values are generally wrong. Abilities info is incomplete

[peak lily]

Saw this comment on wowhead below the m+ dev interview. I agree.

[whole vortex]

Real

[lethal violet]

Thank you for the replies guys

[craggy pilot]

hmm, 408 Ruby Whelp fully specced in ST, hit 18 times over 40min Halls of Valor 🤔

[wind cliff]

thanks man!

[craggy pilot]

2mil dmg (2.1% of overall) which was 45k dps

[jagged pier]

rppm

some times your lucky

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how much Grieftorch does?

[jagged pier]

sometimes your not

[craggy pilot]

yea

just read people saying Whelp is as good as Grieftorch

but starting to doubt it

[jagged pier]

it can be

[craggy pilot]

maybe the Stat buff is the way to go with Whelp though

[blazing condor]

it can be best trinket in the game