Ah let me get 10 more yrs of war experience real quick
#protection
lusty tiger
uneven ice
Is better to learn first without the macro and then try yo compare with and without with logs?
lusty tiger
It’s another thing to think about
uneven mason
Don't
uneven ice
xd
warm plinth
Is better to learn first without the macro and then try yo compare with and with...
No, just don't do it. You'll be a better player just tracking SB and using it yourself.
uneven ice
We need to agree on the macro thing, i’m confused
lusty tiger
Nobody is stopping you from trying it
warm plinth
Only one dude is saying to Macro shit
lusty tiger
U have 100000 more keys to run
uneven ice
Only one dude is saying to Macro shit
Thats true, and the shit part got me
Will log and try a different WA
slim timber
I’m in the don’t do it crowd. But I’m also in the do what works for you and where the level of content your clearing has you.
uneven ice
Any wa that you recommend to track SB?
uneven ice
I’m in the don’t do it crowd. But I’m also in the do what works for you and wher...
I’m in +12
Jade temple last pull is impossible to survive. Will try with more SB thought
slim timber
Then you prolly don’t need to rely on a macro. Would be my opinion at least.
uneven ice
Yeah, you probably right. I was tracking well, but the wrong resource (IP and not SB)
lusty tiger
I’m in +12
uneven ice
Talking of the devil, how the hell you guys survive the pull before the last boss on Jade?
warm plinth
Use CDs, kite when you don't have any
uneven ice
They slap the shit out of me, even with SW pulling
lusty tiger
U need spell block, spell reflect, demo all staggered kinda
And some cc/ kite at the end typically
warm plinth
Open with spell reflect on top of shield wall. Dark claw (the thing trucking you) is reflectable
uneven ice
Open with spell reflect on top of shield wall. Dark claw (the thing trucking yo...
😳
Really?
Oh jesus
Didn’t knew that was reflectable
slim timber
Do you have the WA that has all the reflectables?
prisma crane
spell block makes that pack do next to no damage for 20 seconds
uneven ice
Mmmm no
prisma crane
that alone makes a big diff
warm plinth
Shield block should still be up (as it always should), but the main dangers in that pack are magic
uneven ice
Ok, gotcha
lusty tiger
but yea dark claws reflected does a ton of dmg
It is more than a deflect?
solar sandal
are people still testing ruby whelp shell?
prisma crane
its a reflect, so yes
solar sandal
does it actually do shit?
prisma crane
testing is still ongoing
solar sandal
oh ok
uneven mason
does it actually do shit?
Little dude slaps
void gulch
playing on my prevoker alt and had a warr tank taking an awful lot of damage. just to confirm that this is absolutely garbage shield block uptime, right?
lusty tiger
Maybe just shield charge
uneven mason
Wow that you jerreeeeee?
lusty tiger
Wow that you jerreeeeee?
Ye
digital viper
lusty tiger
Wow that you jerreeeeee?
U c that log I linked?
prisma crane
that's insanely low, idk how that's possible
turbid shuttle
shield charge only. it's the only way
void gulch
he pressed shield block 9 times for the entirety of the dungeon
well, until the group fell apart because i couldnt keep him and everyone else alive
lusty tiger
Yea that’s pretty much troll af
deep spruce
Talking of the devil, how the hell you guys survive the pull before the last bos...
Shield Wall, Spell reflect, spell block, then kite when u have none of those
lusty tiger
It’s like a dk not death striking
prisma crane
if you want to help him, maybe direct him here
ppl just shit talking the dude wont make him change though, but clearly he didnt know what he was doing and was likely making the rookie mistake of spamming IP instead of SB
void gulch
i did whisper him and politely say he needed to press shield block more
uneven ice
playing on my prevoker alt and had a warr tank taking an awful lot of damage. ju...
Wow, that is LOW
uneven mason
It’s like a dk not death striking
Some people think that warriors just magically don't take damage
uneven mason
Legit
lusty tiger
More things on global
prisma crane
well SB isnt as intuitive as IP, so if you're someone who doesnt look into anything at all, it makes sense
uneven mason
At least that confirms we're still not bfa brm easy
prisma crane
for the same reason ppl think the shockwave build is better
uneven ice
ppl just shit talking the dude wont make him change though, but clearly he didnt...
I was doing the same, and i got a 54% uptime. He us not pressing thr button at all. But yeah, y’all been so helpful, bring him here
uneven mason
"I bound keg smash to W"
prisma crane
the dmg it does is obvious
lusty tiger
I take shockwave in av only I think
uneven mason
for the same reason ppl think the shockwave build is better
It has its place
prisma crane
in the trash maybe
uneven mason
Oh the damage talents
prisma crane
yea
uneven mason
Yeg
lusty tiger
I don’t normally take shockwave at all
prisma crane
shockwave itself is fine, i mean the dmg buffs to it
uneven ice
What do you pick instead of shock? I found helpful in trash to stun some mobs and get a time to breath
prisma crane
shorter roar CD yea
prisma crane
i would stop taking shockwave more often if i could count on the ppl i play with to interrupt more
lusty tiger
i would stop taking shockwave more often if i could count on the ppl i play with...
Ye I have some homies
uneven ice
i would stop taking shockwave more often if i could count on the ppl i play with...
That was my MAIN reason 😂
prisma crane
but between interrupt, shockwave, stormbolt, fear, and even sometimes holding shield charge, i can only do so much myself
harsh light
Ayo! How you petition blizz to get rid of the 1fkn minute of RP on tight azz halls of Valor! One group wipe on +20 cause someone tried the 2 mini boss thing with hyrja and finish 30 seconds over time
lusty tiger
2 mini boss thing is dope
uneven ice
Ayo! How you petition blizz to get rid of the 1fkn minute of RP on tight azz hal...
Please, nerf that RP
strong forum
blizz response to that was that it felt vital to the dungeon
lusty tiger
A little spicy in a 20 fortified tho
strong forum
🙂
nimble laurel
i would stop taking shockwave more often if i could count on the ppl i play with...
I started taking Intimidating Shout now because I don't have confidence in people for this
prisma crane
and and at least fear doesnt fall victim to stun DR
lusty tiger
Yea fear is great
strong forum
"The Halls of Valor ones are classic and they couldn't bear to do it."
nimble laurel
and and at least fear doesnt fall victim to stun DR
Just had a tidal burst wipe the group this week due to stun DR 😦
prisma crane
tbh
lusty tiger
Chromie time could give us a skip
prisma crane
the best way to solve that issue with players IMO is to just pause the timer when mandatory RP is happening and unpause when it ends
harsh light
blizz response to that was that it felt vital to the dungeon
How many test runs were done when they made the timer for halls, cause 2 chestinh is impossible and i feel at best you one key with 3 mins left
prisma crane
effect is the same, but players dont feel like they're getting fucked
HoV historically was never a tight key, was always a dungeon about surviving hyrja
strong forum
How many test runs were done when they made the timer for halls, cause 2 chestin...
they nerfed the timer by like 8minutes during beta
lusty tiger
I actually like waiting for my gondola in CoS
strong forum
the timer for HoV was 45min iirc
prisma crane
sounds about right
tropic tangle
the best way to solve that issue with players IMO is to just pause the timer whe...
they would just shave 3 mins off the timer if they did this lol
prisma crane
they need to give like 3 min to AV imo
you can play fairly well and its still tight AF
lusty tiger
Av is so tight
harsh light
I get that is to long, but 38 mins for 5 bosses, and 6 mini bosses? Come on blizz
uneven mason
What do you pick instead of shock? I found helpful in trash to stun some mobs an...
This is a minor trap in that you're syncing attack and cast times so you risk eating a burst after the stun fades
prisma crane
This is a minor trap in that you're syncing attack and cast times so you risk ea...
i actually like to do this on purpose for reflects
harsh light
Yeah i missed a av 20 by 1min with no wipes lol
warm plinth
By that logic every aoe stun is a trap
uneven mason
i actually like to do this on purpose for reflects
Yeah that's fine if reflect is up
fringe siren
AV / HOV are the hardest dungeons this expansion and it isn't particularly close. Adding time to the timer doesn't solve the fundamental problem that both of those dungeons are simply too long. Too much trash, bosses with immune phases, and shitty spawn points. A wipe on AV is 2 min more punishing than a wipe in COS just by the layout alone.
uneven mason
And I guess it's better when we do it
prisma crane
then get restaggered as ppl interrupt
uneven mason
Than the monk deciding to legsweep after sr is used
prisma crane
oof that makes me mad too
worse when im in discord and call for a reflect
like you fucker, its a dps loss to interrupt there, but when i ask for interrupts they never do
uneven mason
Synced up dark claws, don't use my sw+DS+ls macro often..
silent anchor
how have people set up their lariat to proc haste? mines always seems to proc vers :/
prisma crane
Synced up dark claws, don't use my sw+DS+ls macro often..
spell block and dont even sweat
lofty widget
high vers/crit low vers
uneven mason
how have people set up their lariat to proc haste? mines always seems to proc ve...
Lesser stat on the gem
lofty widget
it also procs off all your gems, not just in the lariat
uneven mason
spell block and dont even sweat
Was early xpac when I didn't know spellblk was going to be used there
prisma crane
ah, well yea that was just a death pack
south zealot
there is 0 reason for rp to be in m+ dungeons
uneven mason
ah, well yea that was just a death pack
Only 4 wipes
simple atlas
yo what is the best embellishments combo ?
idk if its Lariat / Weap+Adornment or Frostspark belt
uneven mason
Belt so you can proc rings
simple atlas
rings ? O.o
simple atlas
oh will need to get the ring then
prisma crane
there is 0 reason for rp to be in m+ dungeons
eh, idc that much, sometimes its nice to have a sec to get your shit together
simple atlas
u mean raid rings right?
south zealot
yes
warm plinth
People act like they don't figure the RP into the timer lol. Not that there aren't tight timers but they expect you to have the RP
icy bane
Ye raid rings from diurna and eranog
south zealot
People act like they don't figure the RP into the timer lol. Not that there are...
ofc they do
but removing rp would make the timers pretty reasonable
simple atlas
what about second embellishment ? weapon or lariat(neck) ?
prisma crane
no
south zealot
or moving the graveyard
prisma crane
moving the respawn would do WAY more, agreed
warm plinth
They just overfucked the timer for Halls
icy bane
I personally avoid AV like the plague, probably my lowest key
warm plinth
7 min reduction was too much
prisma crane
not true
south zealot
casts happen to frequently after just being kicked
silent anchor
Lesser stat on the gem
what do you mean?
prisma crane
hell you can pull almost one single pull from 2nd to 3rd boss
naive panther
This war was spamming revenge then blamed our dps for not timing key. I've never had revenge almost be number 1 damage. Tc was no where to be seen.
glad roost
guys in TJS should I only use ignore pain on the twins? cause they don't do physical damage?
prisma crane
revenge being #1 isnt that bad
fringe siren
youve never had revenge be #1 damage?
prisma crane
its pretty common
silent anchor
so id need to get vers/haste rather than haste vers?
warm plinth
guys in TJS should I only use ignore pain on the twins? cause they don't do phys...
You should read the guide
prisma crane
guys in TJS should I only use ignore pain on the twins? cause they don't do phys...
keep up SB for the extra SS dmg, but yea IP more important
glad roost
sure where can i find it @warm plinth
prisma crane
so id need to get vers/haste rather than haste vers?
correct
glad roost
thank you ❤️ @prisma crane
south zealot
so id need to get vers/haste rather than haste vers?
to proc haste on lariat, yes
warm plinth
Wowhead or icy-veins
silent anchor
to proc haste on lariat, yes
thanks guys!
cloud tide
can u make taunt go into defensive stance macro
naive panther
Fuck no why would I spam revenge
lavish oracle
7 min reduction was too much
Like 2 minutes more would fix the issue, I think
prisma crane
can u make taunt go into defensive stance macro
you can, but why?
naive panther
I do ridiculous damage in keys
cloud tide
you can, but why?
terros
naive panther
Without spamming Rev seems dumb
prisma crane
Fuck no why would I spam revenge
because it's a ton of dmg and also maintains our tier
south zealot
could do more if you used revenge more
fringe siren
Why WOULDNT you spam revenge in a ton of situations lol
this is the weirdest take ive ever read in here
naive panther
Are you doing 60-70k dps in 20 keys?
naive panther
Spamming rev?
glad roost
i just started using rev and it gave me a lot of SS
naive panther
I use it yes
south zealot
prot warrior is bedge anyway who cares what u do
naive panther
But not over tc during avatar and not when the excess rage causes over cap cause gcd limitations I'll go into ip
Well he did a shitty 26k then blamed the dps
uneven mason
But not over tc during avatar and not when the excess rage causes over cap cause...
TC > Rev always
nimble laurel
I wish revenge was off gcd. One can dream.
untold imp
i just started using rev and it gave me a lot of SS
What is SS? Newbie here
naive panther
Well that's what I'm saying he had hardly any tc casts and very low ss
south zealot
I wish revenge was off gcd. One can dream.
they will literally never do this
uneven mason
I wish revenge was off gcd. One can dream.
Wtb heroic strike
glad roost
hi same it means shield slam and when they say tc it means thunderclap ip means ignore pain @nimble laurel
nimble laurel
they will literally never do this
I know. That's the most annoying part about using it though. It's not the rage usage, it's wasting a gcd on it.
south zealot
its a damage button
uneven mason
What
south zealot
almost every damage button is on gcd
especially if its a main rotational aoe ability
uneven mason
Unless you're a paladin
south zealot
true
fallow osprey
Avatar is up and you’re fighting 5+ mobs, are you alternating TC and Rev? I get so many SS resets but not sure if it’s less effective to be doing SS in that situation
uneven mason
Looking at you sotr
uneven mason
Avatar is up and you’re fighting 5+ mobs, are you alternating TC and Rev? I get ...
Ss will out damage rev most of the time
south zealot
shield of the righteousness is paladins main mitigation as far as i know
naive panther
Ss hitting for 200k is gg
fallow osprey
Cool thanks friends
uneven mason
It's at like 4+ rev can out damage SS but you want to ss because then you can use IP offensively
balmy narwhal
Do you guys know the weakaura/addon that gives audio aid for mechanics for mythic plus (like saying frontal/ dodge etc)
untold imp
It's at like 4+ rev can out damage SS but you want to ss because then you can us...
Wdym by using IP offensively?
south zealot
to gain outburst stacks
fallow osprey
Anger management too
south zealot
yes
sonic eagle
how do you add it to voice?
fierce mango
what gems do i put in lariat?
uneven mason
Wdym by using IP offensively?
IP is never a waste as long as you're pressing avatar shield wall and consuming outburst
uneven mason
what gems do i put in lariat?
Probably crit haste
uneven mason
Do you guys know the weakaura/addon that gives audio aid for mechanics for mythi...
Think it's dbm?
uneven mason
Nice I might scrap dBm the rest of the way if that is good
exotic flax
Hi guys, new to the discord! been playing prot warrior since wrath. When tanking higher(ish) keys like 17s-19s+ do you find glacial fury output outweighs the vers output on spells? currently sat at 4073 vers with the phial (3313 without) link to RIO and Armoury to help show current stats https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Jamiewar?utm_source=addon
stark lance
Making a tank alt what would you play
uneven mason
Literally like driving into McDonald's and asking what fast-food joint you should get lunch at
uneven mason
Making a tank alt what would you play
Bdk if you want to be safe from nerfs
stark lance
I hope your job isn't to make analogies
uneven mason
I hope your job isn't to make analogies
It's more of a hobby
stark lance
hahaha
but yeah i really like monk in some ways
but BDK definitely has a more directly applicable toolkit
VDH i dont know, that class is so volatile its a crazy ex girlfriend
uneven mason
Warrior is very easy to play at the moment as long as you're pressing buttons
serene fox
Hi guys, new to the discord! been playing prot warrior since wrath. When tanking...
id prolly Say Glacial fury but i main resto druid
south zealot
Making a tank alt what would you play
bdk or brew
warrior is easy and boring and will probably get nerfed soon
uneven mason
Yeah on the patch brew getting so much love they're going to have a hard time walking, you might say, they'll have quite the stagger....
south zealot
brew is fun
sick sentinel
if your drunk maybe
south zealot
also the damage is crazy
sick sentinel
actually i dunno, i'm not currently leveling any other toons or playing them
south zealot
has a lot of buttons tho
uneven mason
Brew is next on my list of tanks
sick sentinel
i wonder what keylvl i can tank on my 360 prot
+23 Kappa
i did a 8 hov pretty easy
but problem will be to get a invite i guess
glad roost
ever since i started using revenge dungeons have gotten easier don't wait for the proc guys
fallow osprey
warrior is easy and boring and will probably get nerfed soon
I don’t see any tank including pwarr way ahead of the pack right now. Maybe some community perception but they seem about equal
lime mesa
i dont have logs and its something i need to setup but using details i maintain 65%-ish uptime one shield block and 80%-ish on ignore pain. is there advice out there to increase uptime on either of those? are there strategies when pulling/fighting that will help me in that effort? thanks.
south zealot
I don’t see any tank including pwarr way ahead of the pack right now. Maybe some...
its likely to get nerfed bc its super easy and the best tank
the gap between prot and bdk isn’t big but the skill is huge
south zealot
i dont have logs and its something i need to setup but using details i maintain ...
look at blocked hit % i stead of uptime
fallow osprey
🤷♂️
proud dock
in large pulls, u dont really use execute until 1 or 2 remains right?
sick sentinel
Guess it makes sense that PWars discord thinks tank balance is fine. :)
lime mesa
look at blocked hit % i stead of uptime
ok. ill make it a point to setup logging and upload them before i do runs this evening. then i'll look at that stat vs uptime. thanks.
south zealot
Guess it makes sense that PWars discord thinks tank balance is fine. :)
bear and dh need some help
balance between prot warrior bdk and brew is reasonable
sick sentinel
😴
south zealot
?
sick sentinel
Anyways
icy bane
Yeah leveled a brew in case warrior gets hit by a huge nerf,
Just leveling they got so many buttons to press
south zealot
Yeah leveled a brew in case warrior gets hit by a huge nerf,
Just leveling they ...
im in the process of leveling one
like level 67 right now
icy bane
Ye around the same, had to add another bar keybinds for random utility stuff that monk got
sick sentinel
I'm not arguing in the Prot Warrior discord over tank balance. I was born at night, but not last night.
south zealot
i dont play prot warrior right now
sick sentinel
Cool
south zealot
prot warrior is the strongest tank but acting like its monstrously better than bdk or brewmaster is just wrong
sick sentinel
No one is acting like anything
south zealot
yes you are
sick sentinel
No I'm not.
south zealot
look what makes prot so much brtter
sick sentinel
The only one that's said anything definitively about nerfing or buffing is you
prisma crane
to be fair, you are, and you're also writing off most of our opinions on it without making your own argument against it
south zealot
its certainly not utility or mob control
sick sentinel
to be fair, you are, and you're also writing off most of our opinions on it with...
How
south zealot
its not damage either because brew does just as much or more damage
prisma crane
implying that we're inherently biased, which is fine, but then you have to give a reason to counter the points being made
sick sentinel
Literally doesn't matter what I say you've already formulated in your own mind what I think and seeing as we're two idiots in the internet there's no convincing you otherwise.
south zealot
im open to a discussion
south zealot
of course
but saying that nothing they say will matter while im open to a discussion doesnt make sense
crude notch
It makes perfect sense. You don't actually care what they have to say, you're just looking for an argument, they don't actually care what you have to say because they've already formulated an opinion about you and this discord.
sick sentinel
how does it work if i have guy A craft my normal no embelleshment boots say, and then i want to upgrade them and i have person B and C offering to do it, i just need someone that has the recipe and i'll save my self the spark?
south zealot
i do care what they have to say because they disagree with me and i believe im correct
i want to know why they disagree
sick sentinel
im going to look at making my wrists to 405 at least
trying to wait until tomorrow until i do crafts
crude notch
If they wanted to have an argument about it I'd imagine they would.
They don't owe you anything, just because you want to.
south zealot
i didnt say they owe me anything
icy bane
how does it work if i have guy A craft my normal no embelleshment boots say, and...
You just need someone with the recipe after it’s been crafted
crude notch
Defend what post? That the warrior discord thinks that warrior is balanced?
sick sentinel
but, whatever
crude notch
Is that not true?
south zealot
i didnt say prot warrior is balanced i said its the best tank
coarse flower
i like protection warrior as much as the next guy in this discord, but its not balanced at all hahahahaha
sick sentinel
seems to me like 23 VA is good
south zealot
what i said is that prot warrior is not that much better than bdk and brew
crude notch
Okay?
south zealot
?
crude notch
They responded with a sleeping emote
That's what you're worked up about?
An emote
Think about it.
south zealot
i wanted to know why they disagreed
im mildly annoyed at you being a conehead
not them
azure ivy
no come on obviously it’s not just that it’s the vague and nonchalant response that indirectly say he doesn’t agree without actual context as to why he doesn’t agree
coarse flower
i dont think anyone is disagreeing that prot warrior needs nerfs, youre just arguing with yourself
its busted af rn
crude notch
Wait what?
south zealot
busted af is an overstatement
fallow osprey
its busted af rn
???
azure ivy
I mean what’s a justifiable Nerf other than gutting ignore pain
south zealot
making anger management worse
balmy narwhal
Are they gutting Prot warrior?
south zealot
no
crude notch
Yep Prot dead
azure ivy
I get it
south zealot
not yet
crude notch
That actually makes more sense than what you guys have crafted seeing as they haven't posted in ten minutes.
coarse flower
they probably won't, it's bad for player retention
the casual fotm rerollers will quit
just like bdk back in SL and war back in bfa
balmy narwhal
I hope they buff other tanks instead
south zealot
guardian needs mitigation
icy bane
Yeah buff brew 
south zealot
also frenzied regen shouldnt be on the gcd
south zealot
Yeah buff brew <:okayge:917646812519739433>
icy bane
So I can fotm reroll to brew
sick sentinel
once more into hell, i mean, ruby life pools, in attempt to remove depletion from score
whats the best proffs for a warrior? 😄
1 man 1 key stone shit goin on here
warm plinth
Alchemy for the double phials and a gathering profession if you want something to farm. Frankly, trying to do any sort of crafting seems to me to be a waste of time at this point because you're just way the fuck behind due to there not being a knowledge catch-up.
@sick sentinel
candid oracle
Are dstance and battle stance considered a buff on wlogs? or how do they show up?
hardy ridge
whats the best proffs for a warrior? 😄
Profs are not power lvl related but alch can save you some gold with 1hr phials and slightly reduce negative effects of toxic consumables
candid oracle
so if you stay in dstance all pull they will not show on wlogs?
south zealot
i dont think it will
charred wave
What addons have people been using for threat management? I was using Omen in the past but it looks to be FUBARED for me.
prime umbra
How do you decide on when to stance dance? Sorry if stupid questio
slim dove
What addons have people been using for threat management? I was using Omen in th...
none, dont need one
south zealot
if you need tankiness, go dstance
slim dove
if your dumbass dps go apeshit the second you pull, theyll get clapped and die instantly.
jagged pier
How do you decide on when to stance dance? Sorry if stupid questio
up to if u need it
u swap
south zealot
if you dont need to be tanky go bstance
sick sentinel
threat issue = press more damage connecting abilities
prisma crane
What addons have people been using for threat management? I was using Omen in th...
i just use nameplates that are colored depending on threat, apart from that anything you're actually attacking you should never lose threat on, it can be useful in aoe situations to spot a random mob that may have slipped through if you pull huge
most ppl use plater for this, im a boomer with threatplates but anything works really
prisma crane
hell yea
i do want to swap to plater, just more options seems really nice, but im too lazy to set that shit up
heady gyro
i also use threatplates
Same!
polar raptor
some good profiles out there plug and play for Plater
prisma crane
yea for sure, i know Naowh's is really popular
charred wave
I'm just learning to tank again and want to know when the mob charging the dps is my fault or theirs.
prisma crane
honestly for that alone just threatplates/plater is more than enough
candid oracle
i dont think it will
okay ty. really hard to track what stance your tank is in if they never change i guess lmao
south zealot
naowhs ui is probably the best ive seen
south zealot
okay ty. really hard to track what stance your tank is in if they never change i...
you can just look at their buffs
if you need to mid pull
candid oracle
yeah im just log reviewing day after
prisma crane
but rule of thumb, if they die to a mob on opener, that's probably on them, if it's more than 3-4 sec into the pull it's more than likely on you
south zealot
if they die its probably their fault
prisma crane
tbh the only time threat is REMOTELY an issue is if mobs are just super spread out, but that's on the team to interrupt or you to LoS to group them better
bronze pasture
do balakar khan 4 horse adds scale off fortified or tyrannical?
warm plinth
so if you stay in dstance all pull they will not show on wlogs?
This is correct. And even then it'll only show stances you actually cast during the fight (e.g. if you swap to battle halfway through the fight, only battle will show on the log)
prisma crane
do balakar khan 4 horse adds scale off fortified or tyrannical?
fort iirc
lofty harbor
With the Ruby Whelp Shell, which ability is best to train?
warm plinth
do balakar khan 4 horse adds scale off fortified or tyrannical?
Tyrannical, but they don't get the HP increase
bronze pasture
aha so they do more damage on tyrannical, but have the same amount of hp as on fort
prisma crane
Tyrannical, but they don't get the HP increase
interesting
warm plinth
Yeah, for future reference, the only boss adds that gain HP from tyrannical is the skeletons on last boss of SBG
All others do not get the tyr HP bonus
prisma crane
oh im retarded,i was thinking of the 4 adds in HoV, didnt read that well enough
warm plinth
Yeah those definitely scale with fort :p
shell hull
Is there a recommended addon for M+ routes? and what is the best use for sparks if i'm just playing this as an alt
prisma crane
With the Ruby Whelp Shell, which ability is best to train?
last i saw it was the ST attack, but testing is still ongoing
warm plinth
Frankly the shell is turning out to just not be worth it anyway
prisma crane
Is there a recommended addon for M+ routes? and what is the best use for sparks ...
MDT
livid harness
Hey follow tanks!
What 2nd embedlishment did you pick?
Atm I´m between Armor Spikes or [Shield of the Hearth]
jagged pier
Hey follow tanks!
What 2nd embedlishment did you pick?
Atm I´m between Armor Spi...
nither
jagged pier
u can remove armour spikes
livid harness
most go with neck and belt
It´s decent dmg?
deft hazel
tbh the only time threat is REMOTELY an issue is if mobs are just super spread o...
Ngl them souls in smbg have killed so many people, I taunt and they run to me for half a second then start running again. Idk if it's me or just the add though lol
warm plinth
All embellishments are about the same damage.
warm plinth
Ngl them souls in smbg have killed so many people, I taunt and they run to me fo...
The dominator souls?
Those fixate a target based on the threat generated on the dominator that's controlling them. You need to ensure you have aggro on all the dominators.
prisma crane
Ngl them souls in smbg have killed so many people, I taunt and they run to me fo...
yea which souls?
warm plinth
It can be tricky on the first dominator pull because the third one is kinda far back
prisma crane
well TIL, i just do dmg to all the doms because i wanna kill them first anyways
deft hazel
The dominator ones
It might be that dominator far away maybe because I do nothing to him just let him sit till I make it to him
warm plinth
Yeah gotta make sure you're hitting him
deft hazel
The first set of trash after first boss
The dominator all the way in the back I don't really touch, only the soul I grab. Didn't know that's how aggro worked on them
warm plinth
Should really be touching them all anyway so that they're all dying. And if you kill their soul before them, they're gonna start casting anyway so it makes sense to try to kill them first.
deft hazel
Yeah but since he doesn't move and is far away I never went to him ... I just pray the dps cleave off the dominator and I love to each one.. should I interrupt that one and bring him in?
🤔
prisma crane
i feel like that back one is worth interrupting
so that you can bring him in to aoe
its not hard to rotate stops on one mob
warm plinth
I mean you can, as long as you can trust that the rest of them won't be interrupted
2+ gets very spicy because they cast very frequently
and both casts are just as dangerous
deft hazel
I mean you can, as long as you can trust that the rest of them won't be interrup...
I don't trust dps tho.. they end up dead
Some shaman just totems them and asks why we all dead or something like that
slim dove
we usually kick 2 and burn 1 down while i solo stop another
warm plinth
It's because you don't use Intimidating Shout
tall cedar
guys which ruby whelp talent is best for prot 20+ keys? I have 6/6 crit one and it seems insane but for min/max should i change different else?
slim dove
guys which ruby whelp talent is best for prot 20+ keys? I have 6/6 crit one and ...
not enough data yet
everyone wrote it off till the wowhead article.
tall cedar
i have 405 one and it gives 2756 or something crit
this is insane tho
i'll wait next vault if i dont get 421 one i'll upgrade it i think
warm plinth
I wouldn't use it personally
mortal brook
Whats wild is you get less crit than haste
sick sentinel
~~It's because you don't use Intimidating Shout~~
im tired of yelling
warm plinth
Proc rate varies wildly from the logs I've looked at. Like I've seen logs where it procced 12 times in an almost 30 min dungeon
With 6/6 in ST
mortal brook
Rppm truly be like
jagged pier
its rppm
so it can proc like 10 times in 10 mins
or 10 times in 1 min
and than not again for 9 mins
mortal brook
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610961856571375618/1062906783921868850/unknown.png
Featured: the same damn 1.25rppm item on 20 different ppl
warm plinth
Yes, I know how rppm works, but I also know that it's still fucked if it procs 12 times in a 30 min dungeon
warm plinth
I was responding to Jakey, sorry. Yeah RPPM can do weird shit but considering the initial log used in the wowhead article showed a very proc-heavy encounter with a 10 ilevel higher ruby whelp shell and it still wasn't even doing as much as the grieftorch, I just can't see how I can rely on a trinket that's that inconsistent. It'd be one thing if it was proccing consistently but it's just not 🤷 The whole point of RPPM is that on average you should have the same proc frequency and that's not what this trinket is showing.
soft flume
can u wear signet crafted ring and lariat at same time?
south zealot
of course
blazing condor
you can wear as much crafted stuff as possible but only 2 embellishments
soft flume
what is embellishments sorry?
sick sentinel
extra effects on crafted gear
kindred willow
Is the number of enforcer skip buff thingys in court always random? Or can i always only pull 1 enforcer
soft flume
extra effects on crafted gear
is that like sockets?
sick sentinel
no, like, i cant think of a good one, but it gives a 1% dps buff
warm plinth
Is the number of enforcer skip buff thingys in court always random? Or can i alw...
There are two in each run UNLESS the engineering orb is present at the beginning that debuffs the constructs.
In which case there would be 1
soft flume
no, like, i cant think of a good one, but it gives a 1% dps buff
would it be worth it to craft the ring then as I have lariat rn but my stats are all over the place
shell hull
Is there a resource for best use for sparks? or any recommendations. Just playing as an alt so no big kid resources
south zealot
pins
oak echo
weapon and shield are usually top 2. neck a good 3rd
south zealot
quite literally 1 message before you asked that it was answered
soft flume
where to see the specific wep/ shields
soft flume
I mean likle is there a specific which is the best 1
oak echo
for weap/shield you just go with the primal molten or w/e it's called. the special ones are nothing great
royal rune
hey all, i'm 1700 raider io and 390 ilevel. i think i'd be a bit squish, but i thionk i could possibly manage a 16 SBG ???
i almost 3 chested a 14
soft flume
is strike twice like bis?
brisk sparrow
how do you guys feel about the engineering gear? is it a huge loss in stats to use it or is the battle res or maybe even the flamethrower well worth it?
rancid ember
hey all, i'm 1700 raider io and 390 ilevel. i think i'd be a bit squish, but i t...
100%
If it's your key. Good luck signing up for one if you're 1700 :/
rancid ember
Good key to push for a vault option though. Find a group that's willing to finish if nothing else.
rancid ember
Yeah you don't need to time to lock in a vault option.
The only benefit for timing the key is for upgrading your Key, and guaranteed both pieces of dropped loot to be the appropriate ILVL. If you don't time it but finish it the second piece of loot will be slightly lower ILVL than the first
royal rune
ah nw i sometimes get 392/and 389 other times for failed keys
rancid ember
Yeah on Monday nights usually you'll see alot of keys listed as "No leaver" or "Stay to finish" something like that
south zealot
chill completion group
somber citrus
celest glade
Is there a list of abilities to intervene in keys somewhere? been looking around for one
south zealot
probably not bc noone uses intervene
polar raptor
might try and get my guildies
So much nicer playing with guildies in voice comms. I typically pug only cause I play between 3am-6am server time and most of my friends aren't awake
sick sentinel
So much nicer playing with guildies in voice comms. I typically pug only cause I...
yeah, have to have a guild with people willing to do that too though, so
celest glade
probably not bc noone uses intervene
it's good on a few things i've noticed, intervening the dog focus in halls is op
south zealot
i dont believe in using utility
quartz briar
Can you dismantle crafted items and get your spark back
prisma arch
Do you always want to shield slam on cd in m+ ?
polar raptor
yeah, have to have a guild with people willing to do that too though, so
this morning was nice, got on at 1am, friends still up, so we did keys until 6am
sick sentinel
no, but you can upgrade it later and save it for a certain set
brisk sparrow
with 2pc do I revenge over excute? seems almost impossible to fit them both often times
fallow osprey
it's good on a few things i've noticed, intervening the dog focus in halls is op
Only on covering for dps mistakes
sick sentinel
grevious is just sadness and despair for pugs
fallow osprey
And fenryr like you said. I think a bird fixates in NO
pallid quiver
Do you always want to shield slam on cd in m+ ?
Assuming you're not going for extreme amount of DPS, yes
It's more rage overall and still a lot of damage
You can opt to drop SS and just Revenge/TC in big boy AOE for more damage
prisma arch
Sometimes I find myself rage starving, so was wondering if i was pressing revenge too much over ss
rancid ember
Gentle reminder for PUG tanks out there to consider running Devastate for Explosives week coming up 🙂
cinder nova
Yeah nah
rancid ember
Slam an explosive is a feelsbadman
cinder nova
You don't need Devestate for Exp
obsidian path
Devastate is worse
rancid ember
I never said you Need big dog. Just said consider it 🙂 it helps for your PUGs
cinder nova
That's mostly a healer affix that's all-hands when you do big pulls
obsidian path
I never said you Need big dog. Just said consider it 🙂 it helps for your PUGs
I would rather slam mobs than manually devastate the whole dungeon
You won't explode that much explosives
rancid ember
Sucks to not have a button for a melee explosive thats about to go off 🙂 you're hoping for a Slam to be ready, or your melee swing to connect in time.
obsidian path
There are other spells
south zealot
**Gentle reminder for PUG tanks out there to consider running Devastate for Expl...
healer mechanic
south zealot
orange is cringe
slim dove
ez
cinder nova
Priest can just dot
obsidian path
Sucks to not have a button for a melee explosive thats about to go off 🙂 you're...
Just bind slam for the explosive you won't get with shield slam
cinder nova
Shadow Word Meme
rancid ember
I love all the perfect pug scenarios 🙂 GL next week fam
south zealot
i will hit anything in melee but i will never run into ranged to hit an explosive
rancid ember
You have a ranged ability for that 😄
obsidian path
Yeah
south zealot
not gonna heroic throw either
obsidian path
So there is the event of a melee explosive not being killed
No slam, no shield charge
tender cove
I removed xbox overlay with force cuz i was annoyed I couldnt really uninstall it because "system software", dafuq... Anyhow, i just deleted every repo assoicated with xbox and now I get this everytime I open wow:
rancid ember
Ideally you never waste either of those abilities on an explosive. Waste of time & damage
tender cove
any idea how to remove?
obsidian path
And you want me to have a miserable dungeon for a few melee explosive I'm supposed to be the only one able to kill ?
slim dove
Ideally you never waste either of those abilities on an explosive. Waste of time...
ideally i dont cuck my rage generation to deal with a piss-easy affix that is typically the healers job to deal with 🙂
obsidian path
I would rather bind slam
rancid ember
lolol such push back for such a simple suggestion for my PUG tankies out there
obsidian path
It's a bad one
rancid ember
I guess those pushing back must be the 20+ Key pushers with A1 groups
obsidian path
You are being irritating
rancid ember
lol..
rancid ember
Gl this week Muscadait! I hope your healers smash every explosive for you my man 🙂
rancid ember
I didn't suggest this was for everyone. It was a suggestion for those to consider. It's help PUG tanks in here before.;
It's ok if you feel like it's not for you. No need to suggest it's a horrible switch-up for every tank out there
obsidian path
It's ok if you feel like it's not for you. No need to suggest it's a horrible sw...
But it IS
rancid ember
But I appreciate your feedback regardless 🙂
deep spruce
What level keys do u do @rancid ember
slim dove
literally just press slam in the rare case an explosive is going off in melee.
rancid ember
obsidian path
literally just press slam in the rare case an explosive is going off in melee.
Yes !
slim dove
dont cuck your rage generation taking devastate.
obsidian path
I would rather slam mobs than manually devastate the whole dungeon
I still stand by this
south zealot
dont even need to slam tho just auto attack it
rancid ember
Go for it! Clearly my suggestion did not apply to you 🙂 no need to be mean. Others in here might find it useful. That's all I'm saying 🙂
slim dove
🙂 🙂 🙂
obsidian path
But I don't want people to be affected by such suggestion
They might think it's a good idea
🙂
rancid ember
if my comment was something along the lines of " You're an imbecile if you run devastator on Explosives week over Devastate" I'd understand your position a little better. But this is a discord that has a wide variety of player levels.
rancid ember
I did it 🙂 yay good luck this week @obsidian path
rancid ember
I wish expansions would release in like October instead of the holidays.. So hard to find time to play between raid schedule + holidays + traveling etc. I feel behind as well
south zealot
i wish this seasonal affix was better
rancid ember
Crazy that 10.5 is dropping before a full rotation of the M+ schedule. Much faster than previous patches for sure
10.0.5 w/e
south zealot
they want to buff arms faster
rancid ember
🪦
torn gulch
june is diablo 4 month
i feel like they will launch 10.1 before june to have beggining of season+RWF over by june so they can go full blast diablo 4
and then 10.1.5 july/10.1.7 september/10.2 november
more or less
we ll have megadungeon in 10.1.5 which might be split in 2 for 10.2
ornate wagon
is there a place to see the recommended consumes/enchants for m+
rancid ember
Wowhead or icy veins is ok.
ornate wagon
are bloodmallet sims good for that? I'm not sure Llarold does high end m+ on prot?
south zealot
if youre doing high end m+ you should know what to use
ornate wagon
helpful comment
south zealot
enchant leech
ornate wagon
im currently using stat potions and tepid vers, along with main stat food, I want to see if there are better options
south zealot
use an armor kit on your kegs
weary python
Whetstone seems super rare. I'm at about 20 runs without seeing it drop. Much less even getting one myself. I'm in fury loot spec. Is that just bad RNG or is it actually rare?
torn gulch
bad rng
i got it after 5 runs of cos
i know someone who doesn't have it after 50 runs
it is what it is
weary python
I got a 372 one from m0 weeks, but uhhh not using that
remote ruin
yo guys, how do i trigger seal of dirna's chosen and seal of filial duty? only via trinket?
soft flume
has anyone crafted molten longsword? Wondering If i should
mortal brook
weapon ilvl is weapon ilvl. having an accessible up to 418 weapon is good stuff
south zealot
has anyone crafted molten longsword? Wondering If i should
what
what kind of question is that
torn gulch
weapon and shield were my first 2 crafts
arguably the most important items for a prot warrior
tropic gorge
evenin prot war friends. i have a week 3 question: what stats should i throw on a lariat? haste\mast?
torn gulch
haste/crit or haste/vers
grave wedge
haste crit i think
torn gulch
depending on what you like
grave wedge
do you guys keybind battle stance. should i be using it. and if so is it really worth keybinding to swap in and out of . Having recently spent some time on wrath i could be over thinking it
torn gulch
i have a keybind for battle/def stance
tropic gorge
i do like haste. and crit = parry and i like that too. my warrior has been relegated to alt status sadly, but ive decided to go ahead and deck him out in decent stuff
torn gulch
i switch as i need
formal oak
do you guys keybind battle stance. should i be using it. and if so is it really ...
its great, with experience you will know when its safe to do some more damage without the risk of dying
zinc spruce
god dayum
torn gulch
it does not come once a day in combat
dry spear
Long post on wowhead about it
zinc spruce
how big 😳
tropic gorge
so they made goku in trinket form lol
zinc spruce
yeah i might disenchant it tbh
zinc spruce
okay
dry spear
Aftee 7 days you got a trinket with good buff
steel belfry
Should we still be using 2x different gem types in lariat?
inland adder
Is there a macro to go between battle and def stance? Like to make it 1 button
steady steppe
pins
crystal solstice
should I worry about my mastery being too low? 3.2k haste, 3k verse, 2.1k crit but only like 750 mastery
toxic pewter
Don’t worry
polar raptor
do you guys keybind battle stance. should i be using it. and if so is it really ...
I have my stance toggle bound to mwheelup
plucky wave
Is it worth it to equip 4-set if it's an ilvl downgrade for prot warrior?
The mitigation+ignore pain seems important?
buoyant narwhal
do you guys keybind battle stance. should i be using it. and if so is it really ...
You should be in battle stance by default, and switch to def stance if you need it, treat it like a defensive cooldown.
Use a macro to switch between the two so just 1 keybind
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
honest vale
TIL that there are tanks out there pulling the Construct into the Gerdo encounter.
idle summit
hello, which talents are better for m+?
honest vale
Imagine for a moment you let Charging Station go through and heal the boss for 25%. LUL
fallow osprey
Surely that doesn’t save THAT much time 😂
south zealot
TIL that there are tanks out there pulling the Construct into the Gerdo encounte...
wtf is gerdo
is that first boss
honest vale
Ye.
oak echo
Root
Still can use all non movement abilities during it
Not sure but I think yes
It's just a buff that goes on you until it ends
oak echo
That would be an interesting interaction if you could DA it
Just walk around blasting people as a wind ele
If you could I'd imagine you could also avatar out of it
stark jewel
Hi guys, is intervening to negate fenryrs fixate mechanic still a thing?
oak echo
Yes
stark jewel
cool ty!
south zealot
idk try it in a +23 and find out
deft hazel
did they nerf the trash at 3rd and 4th boss in temple?
deft hazel
I took more dmg on trash before 1st and 2nd than last 2
south zealot
shadow of zul or last pack in temple
mortal brook
i mean yeah dont pull construct if your plan doesnt include covering all the charging stations lol
its a fine boss to pull stuff onto tho tbh
lets your speedy dude run through to open gates without worry
fierce phoenix
Is there a current breakpoint for haste? Sitting at 30% haste and 16% Vers
weary saddle
30% onwards it is diminishing
mortal brook
small diminishing returns but no point where we go 'wow thats enough haste guys'
fallow osprey
lets your speedy dude run through to open gates without worry
Does unlocking the gate and allowing you to start on that side versus the other really end up being faster? I’ve not had issues starting on the left side. But it definitely causes problems if there is a death/wipe and people cannot avoid trash to regroup
mortal brook
not a lot but a little. getting to start on right side kinda better for trash tho for sure
fallow osprey
Ok thanks
weary python
Is there a # of gem slots where say Idol of the Dreamer becomes decent?
toxic pewter
is there some new route for azure vault I dont know about or something?
I usually just press w
topaz raptor
hell yea!
inland yoke
hell yea!
I got this ring but at 379 (2/13) currently using a 392 crit/mast ring, wondering if I should just upgrade that ring or try get it legit higher in a run
gz on ring
split stratus
https://wago.io/TAmsZl439 is pretty standard at 2k+ rio, right ? If someone in the group doesn't have it, is it disrespectful to share it in the chat and ask people to use it ?
pallid quiver
Never disrespectful to at least share
And if it's your group, you can decide who comes or goes
So as long as you're polite about it, then no, it's not disrespectful, though people would be pissed
soft flume
for the primal molten longsword can someone help with choosing an embellishment
split stratus
Wasn't mine, I legit shared it to just help the group and the guy kept insulting me, I really don't understand lol
pallid quiver
I don't have any context other than that, so
But there's no disrespect to share a specific WA and ask people to use; keeps people on the same page
if they take issue with it, uh
more power to them?
split stratus
Yeah, I really don't understand kek. Thanks for giving your opinion on that mate !
topaz raptor
I got this ring but at 379 (2/13) currently using a 392 crit/mast ring, wonderin...
nice im also 2/3 of the rings for the ivory trader's ottuk mount but no way i trade this one in lol
pallid quiver
but hear me out
cos auto attack ring
fast knot
Assuming you have lariat you don't really have a lot of wiggle room for your other embellishment, belt enables fire raid rings which are pretty solid
pallid quiver
for the primal molten longsword can someone help with choosing an embellishment
Oh, I missed this, but general recommendation is
uh
no embell on weapon
fast knot
Honestly if you have the availability to snag the food embellishment it doesn't count to cap and you might as well throw it on the weapon, fang is kinda dogshit
pallid quiver
If you do get an embel, the food buff one
cosmic edge
How strong does the Tier set bonus actually feel? Is it worth replacing a higher ilvl piece jus to get 2 set?
soft flume
Oh, I missed this, but general recommendation is
uh
no embell on weapon
why no embel?
pallid quiver
Offensively, it's something you sim to answer that.
Defensively is... always a bit more scuffed
fast knot
The food embellishment that was mentioned is pretty expensive
pallid quiver
why no embel?
Can only have 2, we have enough crafts for other embels, and the embels are all roughly same value save belt proccing fire rings
fast knot
and ^
soft flume
Can only have 2, we have enough crafts for other embels, and the embels are all ...
is that the raid ring sorry?
pallid quiver
And you generally want to swap the crafted wep for a 421 whenever you get it, so it's kinda nice to not worry about losing an embel then
pallid quiver
is that the raid ring sorry?
There's two fire rings in raid, but yes
One's damage and the other's a shield
soft flume
well I was thinking of crafting signet of titantic to help sort my stats as they are very all over the place currrently
pallid quiver
It's fine if your secondaries are everywhere; they're only different at equal ilvl
Otherwise, the str you gain is usually worth. Jewelry can be sketchy, though
since there's no primary, meaning the imbalance between secondaries can do weird things
soft flume
Ive also heard to craft shield. Would this still be worth it even tho it would be lower ilv than my currrent one - Skovalds resolve 398
pallid quiver
Shield is recommended to craft since with the item level infusion upgrades, it can go up to 418; ilvl is the single most important thing about shield, as it's the only slot that gives block value
And block value scales with the shield's ilvl
So if you can't immediately craft it at 418 or a higher ilvl, hold off for now, but keep yourself able to craft it
soft flume
well im very close to another 405 infusion so I will keep that in mind and craft a shield.
ty for the info btw
appreciate it greatly
sorry lastly, would u put haste/vers on longsword?
bitter canopy
so i got a dumb question. In what situation would i use Intimidating shout? its on every talent build ive looked at but i have never used it once. Mainly cuz i fear it would pull more packs than intended so i avoided using it but i feel like its a waisted talent point at that point.
balmy canyon
If your group is doing good AOE the fear breaks pretty quick which turns it into an aoe interrupt.
frosty mango
So it's basically an aoe silence
balmy canyon
Not a silence cause it's only good till it's broken
bitter canopy
oh i didnt know it broke that fast, i remember expacs ago intimidating shout was like taboo use in dungeons lol so i just never used it
balmy canyon
If there's mobs away from the group that aren't dotted or being targeted they can make a break but otherwise it's pretty safe
bitter canopy
ok ill keep that in mind, thank you all
sick sentinel
sooooo
apparently
ruby shell is mediocre at best when fully trained into aoe damage
anyone know how good the st is?
pallid quiver
tbh i'm a poor bastard, i'd keep the 415 too
viral elk
anyone know how good the st is?
The article says it's keeping up with grief torch
sick sentinel
some trash you can fear, but you cant stun
and then your not making redundancies in CC by just mash go on every stun all the time. i have, at least 4 stuns, shield charge, storm bolt, shockwave, and cowstomp racial
or like, you could use it to cause a fear, possibly interrupting temporarily a grey protected cast.
glacial skiff
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/czNJzdHERTy3Dh52yYii6K
Is storm eaters boon worth running if you time it correctly? I'
don't know if you can dodge/parry/block while using it or not or if you can use normal CDs
toxic pewter
anyone know of a way to see how much Troll regeneration racial heals me when I am in combat? Would it show up in logs at all or anyone know?
urban portal
anyone know of a way to see how much Troll regeneration racial heals me when I a...
if its not in logs/details then it could be in wow analyzer
if its in neither then its probably not tracked
toxic pewter
Ok I will check wow analyzer
Yah i find i difficult to figure it out in my combat logs..
since its like literal basic health regen
glacial skiff
like by far the best aoe trinket
Yeah, but can you block etc with the immobilize?
fallen pulsar
I dont see why you wouldnt be able to block/parry, you’re just rooting yourself, so ground AoE becomes the issue. But I havent gotten a boon to try out
urban portal
yeah i dont see why you wouldnt either if its not a channel
fallen pulsar
Unless it’s a channel which isn’t stated in the tooltip
Storm eater boon sounds very oof for like CoS though, lots of ground shockwaves and circles in that first boss area trash
I wonder if Avatar would cleanse the root/cancel the effect
spare turret
Is anyone having problems to get into nokhud?
i'm stuck in loading screen for about 4 min
chrome grove
Servers just giga died
viral elk
wow is down in general atm
chrome grove
Lost a 22 SBG, now its bedge time
gloomy turret
opinions on hunger of the pack? anywhere its useful?
neat parrot
Would intervene be a good option in HoV to help on Fenryr ? I find myself in a lot of situation depleting HoV on 19/20/21 because players die on Fenryr or take too much dmg
gloomy turret
ive seen lepan use intervene for fenryr scent
neat parrot
So it can be somehow very usefull
indigo gulch
intervene is good when the scent. i'm using it
gloomy turret
its very particular tho, and the person u use it on cannot move out of your radius
otherwise.. its useless
slender terrace
anyone have a good shield charge / charge macro?
indigo gulch
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Charge; [@mouseover,help,nodead] [help] Intervene; Charge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Shield Charge
this my macro
for charge, interview and sheild charge on mouseover
slender terrace
wouldn't that prefer charge?
indigo gulch
close range it will be shield charge.
gloomy turret
charge on enemy mouseover intervene on friendly by looks of that
indigo gulch
this the best i can think of using it macro all those in 1 button
slender terrace
yeah, this is better than the other one i saw where charge is conditioned on nocombat
i still think i'd prefer to charge in at range with shield charge though
indigo gulch
i also prefer that but i cant seem to get it work
maybe ucan try put sheild charge 1st than charge
fresh oracle
Quick question, can spell block crit block?
fallow osprey
yes
cunning viper
Did area52 die?
slim dove
world instance servers are bricked.
toxic pewter
Did area52 die?
zoning into new instances not working for me
fluid shard
jeez HoV timer is kinda rough
+18 no full wipes, triple pull first packs with lust
we didn't do mead i guess
but still over 44 sec
5 total deaths feelsbadman
sick sentinel
yup
about to go farm rep on dhblong ardous path to outlands botanica
start fatming after very long oad, go do it again, and 3rd time on heroic, swap bacj to normal, cant zone in
thats my version of what happened, may have only race twice, N>H , i figurd there may be some dh in old dungeon bot detection thing i was triggering and gave up.
quiet monolith
Would it make sense to make a macro similar to the ignore pain macro for all non gcd abilities
And just put a shield slam in front
There is really never a point where you wouldn't want to SS if it's proc'd or available right ? I guess maybe in aoe you might just revenge / tclap / revenge / tclap
tender cove
do you get primal focus and concentraded from above 16? Or do i need todo lower?
spice radish
16+ concentrated only
halcyon dust
Primal is 11-15, Concentrated 16+
tender cove
what i mean is I have 9 primal focus, do i need todo lower than 16 to get the last?
fading tide
Primal is 11-15, Concentrated 16+
tender cove
ohh well, guess ill just do a lower. Still have some slots that just never drops. looking at you wrists
fading tide
Boots for me just so much lower then all my other gear ilvls
proud dock
sometimes i lost aggro when i try to pick up multi packs. do i dot up mobs before picking up more?
and tell dps not to go balls deep?
neon elk
Yea that usualy helps
Or let them die and learn, when tank is preparing pack people shouldnt go insta in
kind bane
Hello, I'm trying to get advice on enchants and phials for M+. I don't have any tier pieces yet can and am currently running between 12-15s. Just wondering if the enchants below look good or if i should go a different direction at this point?
Chest - Waking Stats 3,
Braces - devotion of leech 3
Back - Regen Leech 3,
Pants - Fierce Armor 3,
Feet - Watchers Loam 3,
Devotion of Haste on my rings, and Frozen Devotion 3 on my weapon. Should i picking so i hit specific stat breakpoints, and how does avoidance play into it?
For phials is tepid vers, eye in the storm or glacial fury the way to go?
mortal brook
if i clap something then go to grab the next 3 packs 40 yards away and the dps go ham on that thing with the single clap, thats a dps problem. but could also spend the extra couple gcd as you travel building some sort of threat as well. helps to communicate your pull so they know how far you're going, as well
proud dock
yea i guess for pugging, ill builfd threat and slow chain
mortal brook
eye in the storm fort tepid tyr, should be outgearing glacial fury early but could sim that
neon elk
yea i guess for pugging, ill builfd threat and slow chain
Or just say before key something like "if u see me charge into pack and insta run to another dont go full apeshit and just wait" usualy helps in pugs
south zealot
or just say gl
mortal brook
rigid sapphire
I am very new to warriors in general. should i be spending rage on ignore pain, or should i just let violent outburst pop ignore pain when ive spent enough rage on other stuff?
quaint folio
I can't seem to get my shield slam and thunder clap cAst count up. I have shield slam bound to mouse scroll down and tclap bound to scroll up, and during combat I scroll up and down repeatedly regardless of cooldown of ss or tc, while clicking on shield block, IP , revenge/execute or CDS as needed. During my avatar I try to do the shield slam ->tclap->revenge -> tclap weave. Is this just an issue of not clicking my buttons enough or am I misunderstanding my rotation fundamentally?
Also, if I'm not casting enough tclap, why is my tclap damage so high in this run? I've been told that shield slam should be the highest in any M+ week or dungeon.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XZaLmFn4VC26kh1M/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1
south zealot
shield slam should not be your highest
quaint folio
shield slam should not be your highest
This week or just in general in M+?
south zealot
in general as far as i know
idk if shield slam has ever topped my meters
thunderclap should be on cd
fierce geyser
SS is always my highest
tender cove
thunderclap should be on cd
I checked my 3 last runs. All of them have SS as top dmg.
My breakdown is pretty consistent for all runs, doesn't mean I play correct or good though, just consistent xD
fierce geyser
SS should be used on every proc with thunderclap used on CD afterwards to proc another SS potentially
pallid quiver
TC can be highest damage dealt on damage with huge AOE, since you can spend Outburst on TC for damage in really big aoe packs
fierce geyser
That's fair, can probably skew depending on how large of mobs you're grabbing
pallid quiver
Generally, though, the sheer existence of bosses, combined with trash, will make SS your highest damage, but TC can be higher based on pulls
south zealot
i pretty much always use procs on thunder so ig thats why
unless its literally single target
tender cove
i pretty much always use procs on thunder so ig thats why
I cant remember but shouldnt outburst only be spent on TC on 5+ mobs?
The exception being if avatar is active?
south zealot
yes
tender cove
where its 2 mobs?
toxic pewter
whats the deal with everyone immediately asking whats the route when I join AV
fierce geyser
they probably watched a video they consider the only way to run AV and now they force the tank to take it no matter what and only want you if you know it
fierce geyser
No idea, haven't looked into it myself. Not a huge fan of AV but still have no trouble timing +12ish keys with my route
Though it could probably be improved
tender cove
whats the deal with everyone immediately asking whats the route when I join AV
Because some try the "mdi" routes pulling whelps, jumping down, skipping platforms etc
toxic pewter
I just exited a group because I told them I am going the normal route
tender cove
I do a bit similar but only hero and doing first whelp and skip the entire 2nd platform with shroud
fierce geyser
If they're anal about the route, I usually just let myself out. Not trying to stress
fallen pulsar
I honestly dont like whelp route with pugs
toxic pewter
yah
austere jolt
WHat % of hast is prot looking for?
toxic pewter
I exited the situation
tender cove
WHat % of hast is prot looking for?
40%
fallen pulsar
Pugs just dont do hard stops on the groups correctly
tender cove
Pugs just dont do hard stops on the groups correctly
thats why i skip the 2nd whelp and just prayge hero will get us trough the first xD
toxic pewter
i timed a 19 no problem with my route but in the 20 they were like 'i dont like that at all' so I was like I am exiting, gl
lmao
tender cove
shit really? thought 30% was enough
Dont qoute me on it but i want to remember nom said stop after getting to 40 but until then, haste is king
fallen pulsar
You dont need mdi routes to time a 19/20 imo lol, people were timing those before the whelp thing started to become popular
fierce geyser
I'll blame my haste then for disappointing nom with my cps lol
austere jolt
When i sim its saying to grab some crit now but im now sure on that
fallen pulsar
So yeah better to exit if the group will be anal about the route
tender cove
You dont need mdi routes to time a 19/20 imo lol, people were timing those befor...
the timer is just very unforgiving, so getting a jumpstart in the beginning helps avoid some nasty double pulls
but then again, i pretty much only pug and its monkey brain 9/10 times xD
fallen pulsar
Ye, I’d probably be more into for tyrannical tbh, feel like first boss is fine to not have lust up for. But on fort people know the routes exist but dont play it correctly lol
And safe is better than slick for pugs 95% of the time
tender cove
When i sim its saying to grab some crit now but im now sure on that
if sims tell you to get crit, get crit. Same with sims telling you to get mastery, just means you have very little of that stat and the weight is higher. Trust the sims.
but in the end, that is for max dps, remember that.
fierce geyser
for those that pug, what do y'all look for to know whether the key is gonna be a dud? Starting to do more +14/15 and it either goes really well or it becomes a dead key and each person seems well geared. Not like I'm the best player in the world, but trying to improve that IO score to help get into +16/17 soon
tender cove
for those that pug, what do y'all look for to know whether the key is gonna be a...
I dont invite you if you have more than 1 timed key level below what we're doing. I also look at amount of timed runs for each tier. If someone has a ton of 10-14 runs but only 1 or 2 timed 15s? probably bought boost and I avoid.
I also dont take dps that write "ultra pumper", "i'll carry" etc. because they never do and they think their dps contribution is so good they dont have to play mechanics.
And i've noticed an offspec/non meta of equal score? the non meta is better 9/10 times.
because they have to actually work for their score xD
fierce geyser
yeah, sitting at 29+ +5-9, 17+ +10-14, and 2 +15 runs, and getting into those 15s felt like a chore
south zealot
I dont invite you if you have more than 1 timed key level below what we're doing...
i dont understand your first point
tender cove
i dont understand your first point
Say for example we're doing a +18 COS. If the player havent timed a +17? I dont invite
south zealot
actually let me rephrase
tender cove
its more like +16 but you get the point
fallen pulsar
I like seeing that they’ve cleared the key at or above the key level I advertise. Usually 395+ gear level.
fierce geyser
I like seeing that they’ve cleared the key at or above the key level I advertise...
"like" definitely sounds like preferred here so taking it there, as having cleared at your key level sounds like asking an entry level job to have 5 years experience
south zealot
ofc its preferred
tender cove
"like" definitely sounds like preferred here so taking it there, as having clear...
It's not. Its about wanting to play with the same level of skill players and thats a good indicator.
tender cove
I have gone trough the fuckups and learnings in a pug, you dont want to repeat that EVERY run, it gets tiring, real quick.
fallen pulsar
Especially at the 14/15 level
fierce geyser
fair, when it's randos you don't want to kill your key if possible
fallen pulsar
And yeah it is a preference at the end of the day
Idk at 19s I have started to look at people’s raid parses lmao. If they can’t do good dps on shit like terros, doubt they can keep up at a high key, but it’s a lot more effort and also only if I really feel like I want to pump my key
This is at like 19s
tender cove
A good recommendation is also follow the rio average recommendation
if you look at any given key, it will say something like "Average score for completed X key"
ember tangle
i have had many cases with good raiders being shit in keys tho
and the other way around
fallen pulsar
Its not foolproof
tender cove
i have had many cases with good raiders being shit in keys tho
nothing worse than pure raiders or pure m+ coming into either thinking its cakewalk and they do it in "x" and now they know how the other works
fallen pulsar
Its more to get an idea if they can pump under pressure from mechanics
Unfortunately you dont get to see people’s parse for a whole dungeon
ember tangle
i dunno i pug very little tbh
fallen pulsar
I pug almost exclusively
fierce geyser
if sims tell you to get crit, get crit. Same with sims telling you to get master...
sorry I'm all over the place in this thread, what sim tells you to get more of a specific secondary stat? Didn't know that was something you could look at on raidbots
ember tangle
at most 1-2 people for a key
fallow fossil
hi all new to being a prot warr here.. wanted to know what's the general rule in switching between battle and defensive stance, if anyone can help heh.
fallen pulsar
Lots of dps players unfortunately get carried either dps wise, or mechanically, or both
tender cove
sorry I'm all over the place in this thread, what sim tells you to get more of a...
I dont use it myself but here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats
fallen pulsar
Hunters especially underperform in my pugs even at 2400+ io and become lust bots
fierce geyser
I see hunters do well dps wise until the mechanic comes and kills them
gloomy turret
Hunters just have a hard time surviving in general >.<
fierce geyser
so they're good for the first 10 seconds lol
tender cove
hi all new to being a prot warr here.. wanted to know what's the general rule in...
view it as a 2nd cooldown, like shieldwall. Pop it when you have to or when you struggle with damage.
can be gear, bad healer, too high key levels etc, its about adaption
fallen pulsar
Idk I think I’ve only seen like 4 hunters top dps my keys, and most are usually barely clinging above me in dps
tender cove
Hunters especially underperform in my pugs even at 2400+ io and become lust bots
are hunters just squishy btw? My healer has complained about hunters all week xD
fallow fossil
i generally use it when i get below 50% (using a weakaura to track that) <-- is this correct thinking
tender cove
"trying to turtle dots" has made him fuming xD
fallen pulsar
They dont have high armor/hp, and a pretty meh self heal. So yeh squishy, but most die to stepping in bad
Even though they’re the most mobile ranged
Like I don’t usually see a hunter trickle down in hp, they just go like 80% -> 0
tender cove
i generally use it when i get below 50% (using a weakaura to track that) <-- is ...
its a good base target but doesn't have to be that static.
ember tangle
basically learn when you need it and use it then
tender cove
Like I don’t usually see a hunter trickle down in hp, they just go like 80% -> 0
yeh, seems to just disappear at times compared to others
ember tangle
i prefer using all the other defensives before stance
unless i need them for something specific before they will be up again'
south zealot
you will never realistically need d stance for heroic
tender cove
I stack def and cooldowns on things like the hyrja beam or when im just scared going into a big pull
ember tangle
it is probably good to use it at start of pulls actually
fallen pulsar
Idk like its not just an hp thing, if I see a hunter using binding shot it’s like a christmas miracle
They rarely use their utility
toxic pewter
tomorrow we get a spark right
tender cove
Idk like its not just an hp thing, if I see a hunter using binding shot it’s lik...
yeh, i used* to rely on them for control, slows, etc but it feels like they dont even have the toolkit anymore
why is that?
fallen pulsar
tomorrow we get a spark right
I think not
fierce geyser
damn, y'all must be tankier than I am. I religiously sit in defensive stance lol
toxic pewter
I think not
o dang
ember tangle
even in mythic raids i rarely go in def stance
spare turret
damn, y'all must be tankier than I am. I religiously sit in defensive stance lol
on 18+ i have to switch sometimes between battle and defensive stances
south zealot
tomorrow we get a spark right
no
gloomy turret
@fierce geyser just play without it. Healer mechanic
fallen pulsar
I used to when I was first learning prot, since this is my first time tanking