protection

[uneven mason]

Trying to explain "I'm going to be working these back down -> thataway please move with me" to pugs

Ox are my favorite dances

[marble cipher]

oh for sure, not easy in pugs, but then again, you're the tank, if you move them, that's your perogative 😉

[vital oak]

free frontals for all who stand in the way? 🙂

[cold pollen]

quick question, i sometines end up doing a big pull... I flatten before all the mob are pack is there a classic way to open? i tend to save cd once mobs are pack rather than when i am running around

[uneven mason]

My favorite are the DPS that run infront of hyrja

[marble cipher]

something like that yeah hahahaha @vital oak

[craggy pilot]

fuck im so good at banner uptime ❤️

[uneven mason]

Like dungeon 101, don't get in front of the boss

[vital oak]

It's great that they gave us a season affix where dps have to divebomb the tank to clear

[marble cipher]

it's insane how many people just tend to plant their feet in between the two Hyrja "places" and insist on staying there.
You can still work the beam around them, but I feel more satisfied if I just aim it directly at them till they learn tbf 😄

[uneven mason]

Let everyone else clear, give me the DPS buff

[vital oak]

and when you're positive?

[uneven mason]

Well it was nice knowing you Pug_hunter03

[marble cipher]

*momentum dh

[vital oak]

it is always the hunter

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

That shit spec

[marble cipher]

(offtopic, I swear momentum dh's always have their "dash" skill just as a Quelling Strike or a Mortal Hew happens)

[uneven mason]

It's not even fun

[solar sandal]

is Battle Scarred Veteran actually ever worth it?

[marble cipher]

no

[ornate wagon]

question, bolster or impenetrable wall?

[uneven mason]

Are you dying a lot with no CDs left?

[ornate wagon]

Battle Scarred can save a whole key

[uneven mason]

IW bolster isn't needed for sb uptime anymore

[solar sandal]

i dont think battle scarred ever really saves me when im going to die lol

[marble cipher]

Bolster shouldn't be needed, though I have seen high tanks take it often on streams, and then they don't take Heavy Repercussions but Into The Fray, so, it might be viable

I kinda like HR too much though

even though ITF is a shit ton of haste

[strong forum]

It's bugged so it procs way earlier, so no

[eager phoenix]

Bolster+ITF or HR+no bolster

[solar sandal]

is that a bug/

[uneven mason]

The situations where bsv comes into play, shit is already gone sideways

[solar sandal]

b/c it auto proccing at 30% health is like

[strong forum]

Yes it's a bug

[solar sandal]

kinda stupid

[marble cipher]

BSV procs unmittigated

[ornate wagon]

do you need HR for 100% uptime if you take Enduring Defenses?

[marble cipher]

or something

[strong forum]

It procs at 50-60% already

[solar sandal]

ohhhhh

that's really really bad....

that makes sense then

there are times when it goes off and im just confused

[strong forum]

Yes its practically perma on CD on high keys

And doesn't save anything

[solar sandal]

right

ok that makes sense

fuck

[ornate wagon]

not taking Shield Wall CDR makes me uncomfortable, but that is the point i would sacrifice for bolster, that is why i asked

[solar sandal]

are you unable to take both?

[marble cipher]

you'll need 2 out of the 3 shield block talents for "kinda easy" block uptime.
Enduring/Heavy Rep/Bolster -> pick two

[strong forum]

3 out of 4*

[marble cipher]

oh

[strong forum]

You always need enduring defense

And bulwark

[marble cipher]

listen to Nom, he knows way more than I will ever know of prot warrior 😄

[vital oak]

Champs Bulwark?

[solar sandal]

ye

[ornate wagon]

k Nom, do you like HR+Shield wall CDR or Bolster+ Fray?

[marble cipher]

yeah, I got corrected already, forgot that talent

[strong forum]

I hate itf + bolster

It's so unsafe

It's insane

[marble cipher]

agreed

[eager phoenix]

After swapping HR I'll never look back, all I can say

[marble cipher]

ITF is lovely, but, I don't wanna give up HR any time soon

for "actual" keys

[ornate wagon]

im just now pushing into 20s, trying to get everything nailed down (hit 2500 today)

[strong forum]

Idk how people manage to play ITF in keys

[solar sandal]

how much haste you guys have?

[eager phoenix]

30%

[ornate wagon]

im at 26%

[strong forum]

I'm very low on haste, only like 2.7k

[solar sandal]

that's why i play itf lmao

my haste is potato

[strong forum]

??

???

[strong forum]

HR is better

When you have low haste

[solar sandal]

oh is it?

[strong forum]

Cuz you don't run into block downtime

[solar sandal]

well shit i did not know that...

[strong forum]

Itf leaves you wide open

[solar sandal]

guess im switching then

[strong forum]

Itf gets really good when you have 35% unbuffed haste

[solar sandal]

that's....

i figured you'd hit some sort of DR by that point

[ornate wagon]

oh while i have your attention Nomeratur, would you pick intervene or pain and gain?

[solar sandal]

but hey alright

[strong forum]

Pain and gain

[ornate wagon]

my perma healer is a resto druid

[strong forum]

Intervene is super niche

[strong forum]

Itf doesn't count towards DR

% gains don't play a role with stat DRs

[marble cipher]

Intervene for Halls of Valor (Fenryr), but then I'll still take Pain and Gain, I just move the point out of Bounding Stride

[strong forum]

Only stat rating does

[edgy spear]

By 35% do you mean without any itf stacks?

[solar sandal]

ahhh ok

[ornate wagon]

how do you have stride!!!!

[jagged pier]

yes

[ornate wagon]

no rally?

side arm?

[strong forum]

Yes

[marble cipher]

no sidearm

[ornate wagon]

ahh

[strong forum]

I have sidearm, rally, pain and gain and bounding

Idk what y'all play lol

[ornate wagon]

i actually might do that

teach me nom lol

[marble cipher]

mind if you link your warrior points build?

[jagged pier]

there in the pins

[ornate wagon]

this is my class tree

[jagged pier]

like the builds he runs are right there

but nome also only plays 5 tanks

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

[marble cipher]

there are builds in the pins indeed, didn't know those were his, but I'll have a look what I have done differently

[jagged pier]

its a differnt game

to ppl that play normally

[strong forum]

I don't have intim shout

Not needed in my group

[marble cipher]

ah, I run shout

[ornate wagon]

same

i pug and the stop is invaluable

[strong forum]

I hardly get value out of shockwave, but better have it and not need it in that case

[solar sandal]

?

[marble cipher]

too useful in pugs indeed, though, I should just note how often I actually use intim shout and if it's worth taking over sidearm for instance

[ornate wagon]

i only use intim in bad groups, i guess im okay with those keys just being deadge

[halcyon dust]

Does Barbaric Trng not gain significant value with 4 pc?

[strong forum]

No

BT is awful

[edgy spear]

leaves you rage starved too often and the dmg gain is small

[strong forum]

BT actually loses value when you play 4pc

Cuz you send less revenges

Which means less tier uptime

[marble cipher]

Battering Ram over Thnderlord, am I inting for choosing Thunderlord in stead?

[strong forum]

No, it's just less dmg output

[marble cipher]

fair

[halcyon dust]

Hmmm, I've been playing wrong then

[edgy spear]

Battering ram is rly good for rage gen and SS resets

[strong forum]

Battering ram also makes it so it feels like you're playing with way more haste

It's why I never noticed "low" haste

Cuz I never swap out of it

[halcyon dust]

I assume you swap Tough as Nails for Spell Block depending on key?

[solar sandal]

im 4150 crit and 3120 haste

[edgy spear]

Spell block for TJS/RLP

[marble cipher]

yes

[solar sandal]

🤷‍♂️

im just tryna do damage most of the time 🤣

[marble cipher]

Is not having demo shout cdr dps boost outweighed by dps boost battering ram does?
Cause, I can see the defensive value not being "such" a great loss by not having more demo's

[strong forum]

Yes

[ornate wagon]

see i either run spell block or disrupting shout

[strong forum]

No

[solar sandal]

demo is like

so powerful lol

[strong forum]

You desync your CDs, and the cdr you gain isn't that large to begin with

[ornate wagon]

but i also live with thunderlord and BSV

[marble cipher]

I'll give BR a go then, will see how it feels

[edgy spear]

Without TL your Shield charge and demo shout syncs up. Your avatar will most likely come off CD a little early

[strong forum]

You'll still get 2 demo shouts per pack, sometimes 3

Even without TL

[ornate wagon]

hmm maybe i drop TL then

convince me to drop BSV 😛

[strong forum]

It's bugged

[ornate wagon]

ez

[strong forum]

Procs at 50-60% hp already

So it doesn't save shit

[eager phoenix]

Procs pre mitigation, get farted on by mob and its procced

[pseudo garden]

I got rid of thunderlord. Point seemed better elsewhere

[sick sentinel]

ive never used death save talent in a key yet

[ornate wagon]

hmmm now i get two extra points, feels like christmas

[edgy spear]

this should work for most things. Can go spell block in TJS/RLP and Defender's Aegis over Impenetrable wall for TJS and maybe RLP (3rd and 2nd boss respectively)

[ornate wagon]

picking up disrupting shout perma since im trashing Intimidating shout

my tree would change in such nice ways if 100% of my IO wasnt from pugs

[hazy sluice]

When would I swap from frozen to sophic devotion ?

[strong forum]

That's a sim question

Sophic gets better the more ilvl you have, and is just outright better on aoe

Frozen only better on lower ilvl and when you're not that good at prot

[vivid lantern]

Are most people going Haste Vers or Haste Crit for same IL items? Obviously Sims lean towards Haste Crit for dmg.

[strong forum]

I go haste/crit cuz it doesn't matter for my key levels

But it comes down to personal preference

Stats beyond "ilvl>haste" don't matter much

[ornate wagon]

i wanna make 2 sets, spell dungo set with high haste/vers, and then a physical dungo, with high haste/crit

[edgy spear]

Frozen still sims higher for me a 413 equipped by 400 ilvl. 4k haste

[strong forum]

Lol

Frozen simmed worse for me at like 395

[vital oak]

even in aoe?

[edgy spear]

I checked ST. AoE probably falls out to sophic.

I did sim with WF, but I have it more often than not in raids. Idk if it makes a difference

[strong forum]

WF would go into favour of sophic

[edgy spear]

Sophic wins by 400 dps on a 4 target cleave fight (council).

[lucid raven]

Why do people play HR instead of ItF?

[prisma crane]

block uptime

[jagged pier]

because its better

[ornate wagon]

okay i have 3 m+ builds now, spell heavy, physical, and HoV

[edgy spear]

Block uptime. Looked at some logs and ITF players seem to have about 25-28% non-blocked hits with HR having 10-12% unblocked hits from the logs i looked at.

[ionic path]

What changes for HoV?

[ornate wagon]

you take intervene for wolf boi

[prisma crane]

i like to take intervene on spiteful wks, this way my melee can stay in

[pseudo garden]

Spiteful is so cancer ans annoying

[prisma crane]

i mean as a tank idc at all lol

[pulsar light]

Windscar whetstone or horn of valor for dps. Same ilvl

[prisma crane]

but yea its pretty bad how one sided it is

storming is the same, range just completely ignore it

[edgy spear]

Sim it but 99% sure its whetstone

[atomic inlet]

guys had a question
wich of this trinket u think its better for mostly M+ content

[ornate wagon]

ive been running just 1 build this whole time, but now that im going for portals I wanna make sure I am running the best build for the situation

[edgy spear]

All-totem and probably whetstone.

[ornate wagon]

whetstone mmmmmmm

[prisma crane]

2 and either 3 or 5

[ornate wagon]

i have crap luck with trinkets

[jagged pier]

all totem and whetstone

[ornate wagon]

i have 402 whetstone, but a 398 whelp

[atomic inlet]

what about decoration flame

[prisma crane]

better if you need more defense

but less dmg than whetstone

[ornate wagon]

@strong forum feelings about granyth's scale?

[jagged pier]

thats from NO?

[ornate wagon]

yeah

[strong forum]

Hard skip

[jagged pier]

its garbage

[strong forum]

1ppm on a 80k absorb

[ornate wagon]

oh really? i thought it was like streets trinket

oh no no no

[strong forum]

?

Which streets trinket

[jagged pier]

we literally went through this earlier

[edgy spear]

streets trinket was also meh outside of DKs tbh

[ornate wagon]

codex of the first technique season 4

[strong forum]

Useless

[lime urchin]

Uh oh

[strong forum]

That trinket literally made you squishier

[ornate wagon]

i run whetstone, looking to find a good second

[atomic inlet]

what about flame and wheelston together

[ornate wagon]

prefer from dungeons

[lime urchin]

🍿 codex

[strong forum]

All-totem + whetstone

[edgy spear]

RDM tho. that shit slapped

[ornate wagon]

if i dont raid, what is the second best trinket? (i believe whetstone to be #1)

maybe wolf tooth?

[strong forum]

Blazebinder/Ruby whelp

[uneven mason]

Shell hoof

[ornate wagon]

oh whelp hmmm

[pseudo garden]

Whetstone for true chads

[wide kayak]

is all totem really that good?

[strong forum]

Yes

It's bis for m+

[atomic inlet]

?

[pseudo garden]

I want one 😦

[strong forum]

Flame is meh

[ornate wagon]

would heroic all-totem be better than a 421 blazebinder/whelp?

[strong forum]

Yeah

[ornate wagon]

looks like im pugging heroic

[strong forum]

All-totem is the best tank trinket

[uneven mason]

Flame is so meh sabellian keeps giving it away

[wide kayak]

so my best combo right now with what i have would be what i have equipped? Was running the NO trinket + flame lmao

[strong forum]

If you want pure tank, this is your best combo

But I'd play whetstone over flame

[lucid raven]

Is Whelp trinket 6/6 going to be our go to? (AoE)

[strong forum]

Tbd

But it's looking fairly solid

[wide kayak]

but isn't all totem, all about damage though? It doesn't give u anything defensive right ?

[strong forum]

?

It gives you 12% haste proc, a 4.4k armor proc

And a 15k hps heal

[ornate wagon]

omg

duration?

[strong forum]

10sec each

[wide kayak]

icd ?

[ornate wagon]

oh lawd

[strong forum]

30sec CD

[edgy spear]

30 sec

[ornate wagon]

30 seconds

[wide kayak]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

oh right it says on the tooltip mb

[ornate wagon]

literally 33% uptime

[lucid raven]

@ornate wagon Its one at a time btw

[edgy spear]

Rotates between 4 elements. Last proc is a dot

[strong forum]

Or first

[wide kayak]

damn, that does sound good lol

[sick sentinel]

more captian plaent shit

[ornate wagon]

yeah im now hunting that

[strong forum]

It does about 3.5% of my overall dmg + whatever the procs grant me

Also

[ornate wagon]

about to go try for it

[sick sentinel]

earth wind fire water

[ornate wagon]

what ilvl is yours nom

[strong forum]

The 4.4k armor proc is also 200str for us because of armor->str conversion

[wide kayak]

i actually got it from the HC weekly quest and didn't use it ever lmao, mainly because i only saw 1 prot using that trinket on the IO

[strong forum]

I'm 408

[vital oak]

All-totem vs Whispering Incarnate Icon of the same raid tier?

[strong forum]

All-totem

[ornate wagon]

i am locked to kurog on heroic this week, but i might go snipe normal

[strong forum]

Incarnate is only okay when you have both other buffs

[ornate wagon]

its gotta be better than 398 whelp

[strong forum]

From dps and healer

[vital oak]

Ugh, monday pug? yuck.

[wide kayak]

which isn't common yea

[edgy spear]

Incarnate is nice for raid

Not that great for m+

My guild has 8 already so having it on 1 tank is nice for that proc

[lucid raven]

Would you guys take this to 415 + Socket, and just get tier gloves?

[wide kayak]

btw how crucial is the 4p if you are sacrificing ilvl over it ?

heard some mix opinions on it

[ornate wagon]

btw nom thanks for all the guidance

[edgy spear]

You can catalyst that one in 9 days + valor upgrade at some point and you wont get better unless you get lucky with vault options or get CE

[ornate wagon]

are most people running lariat and belt for embelish?

[lucid raven]

@edgy spear Wait will catalyst keep the leech?

[edgy spear]

yes

You can also catalyst and upgrade it later.

[lucid raven]

oh thats huge forget my question then

[edgy spear]

Doesnt need to be upgraded before catalyst

[solar sandal]

assuming catalyst lets you use existing gear 🤣

[wide kayak]

oh it maintains the Upgrade Level thingy ? Damn

[edgy spear]

Pretty sure that was the case in season 3

[solar sandal]

was it? i feel like i had to refarm new pieces

🤷‍♂️

[edgy spear]

There was some fuckery with valor upgrades when they introduced it in 9.0.5 because they didnt wanna retroactively change already looted items to have the upgrade levels

[fading tide]

Is a 16 ruby nightmare mode?

[lucid raven]

no

[jagged pier]

no

[ornate wagon]

what embelishments are bis for m+?

lariat and?

[prisma crane]

and it doesnt matter a lot

[ornate wagon]

i mistakenly made an engi hat

cant wait till infinite sparks

[prisma crane]

that doesnt count as an embellishment

[ornate wagon]

oh i know

i just hate that i used a spark there

[fading tide]

How the hell do I tank the last adds b4 the water boss

[fading sundial]

CC 1

[ornate wagon]

disrupting shout, pull to stairs for los, utilize stops

[blazing condor]

cc and los

[edgy spear]

Just CC 1 and line it

no need to disrupting shout

[ornate wagon]

cc slow

cleave damage is bis

[wheat zenith]

which potion for dmg do you use in m+?

The one that gives stat? Elemental potion?

[strong forum]

shocking disclosure cuz its cheaper

and does super good aoe dmg

[ornate wagon]

disclaimer, my highest TJS is only a 19

[wide kayak]

Do you run BSV btw or nah ?

[slender wedge]

The only way to get dathea's trinket is to by looting as fury? can i press need looting as prot?

[limpid anchor]

Arms works as well :)

Yes you can, but your prio is below dps, so you will never win it as prot

[strong forum]

no

[slender wedge]

okk, but i just need to change the loot spec

not going there as dps

?

[edgy spear]

yes

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[slender wedge]

thanks 🙂

[limpid anchor]

Which is a retarded system btw

[slender wedge]

it is

[ornate wagon]

i might just do the food thing? that is an embellish right?

[strong forum]

it actually isnt an embellish

[ornate wagon]

oh damn

[strong forum]

its "free"

[ornate wagon]

maybe vers shield proc then

[strong forum]

60% uptime on 1.5% vers

🤷‍♂️

nothing special

[ornate wagon]

what did you go with?

[fading tide]

Do I need spell block for ruby?

[ornate wagon]

belt?

[strong forum]

i got lariat + belt

[lime urchin]

are you struggling with magic damage there?

[blazing condor]

not inherently needed for fort but strong recommend on tyr

[strong forum]

cuz eventually ill run fire ring

and i needed the belt ilvl upgrade anyway

[ornate wagon]

which fire ring

[strong forum]

eranog

[ornate wagon]

drop melandrus?

[strong forum]

no you run eranog + melandrus

[torn gulch]

they're not really infinite
they will drop the same as legos used to drop in legion

so about 1 every 1/2 weeks

[wanton shale]

the last boss in RLP - is the dragon movement random, or is there a specific tanking position pattern we can use every time to anticipate how he moves?

[sick sentinel]

i gotta get food buff thingy crafted

[lofty widget]

tank the guy between the 2 large pillars near the entrance

[sick sentinel]

i die way too much for this not to be a reality when it also does not be an embellishment

[blazing condor]

you can make it always land on the platform if you tank between pillars

so it doesnt fly to the edges

[hasty echo]

there should be a wa that helps on movement

[wanton shale]

so start between the pillars and have dps drop fire on the outside edges?

[ornate wagon]

omg im in love with battering ram

[wanton shale]

took a few wipes on 2nd and 3rd boss and missed timer but finally beat my baby 17 key lol

[ornate wagon]

BSV can rot and die

[sick sentinel]

it still shatters my mind to see on final boss, imma firin my lazer, giant red dragon with mouth open and giant red beam, boy i wonder whats about to happen here, no idea

and there is a thunder and a mini red fire dragon do, pretty much exactly the same attack

hunters and mages stand in gigantic fire dragon mouth open breath attack anyways, die

[blazing condor]

flames always go the same ways. there's a wa for it

[sick sentinel]

generally speakin though, you want both to die at the same time, or the dragon to die first

[blazing condor]

often easiest to nuke down dragon

no more fire to deal with

[sick sentinel]

because dragon last with 50% hp on tyranical can turn into nightmare scenario for group with the wind not around to move it

[split stratus]

Hi! Is the build provided in the pins the most DPS oriented one or is there a full-DPS build available somewhere, please ?

[jagged pier]

that is the full dps build

[sick sentinel]

so, if i have item that increases +25 recipe difficulty, it is now +25 higher of skill worth to failure, like my crafter is crafting at negative 25 disadvantage?

im not sure i understand what is meant

[split stratus]

Thanks, so things like thunderlord or bloodborn don't add much value ?

[jagged pier]

Tls os a dps lose

U can afford 1 point in bloodbourne instead of something else and thats 1.5% damage

Its garbage

Take the sheild wall cd

It gives extra rage anyway thats can be more damage anyway

[split stratus]

Alright thanks !

[sick sentinel]

have to assume i cant do food on this

[fading tide]

You guys kill or ignore the fire drake in ruby?

[autumn urchin]

skip

[sick sentinel]

i don't even truly know HOW you skip that fire dragon to be perfectly honest

[blazing condor]

skip fire

shits nasty

[sick sentinel]

the only thing i can even imagine, is you stack on the adds, kill them, and move on and get lucky and fast while he's flying around that nobody accidently aggroes it

cuz hes flying around, and then its like at total random if he comes down or not

[toxic gyro]

Fire drake is way easier to kill than thunder one 👀

[sick sentinel]

and sits there for like a minute it feets like before going flying again, like wtf how am i supposed to counter play that!!!

[halcyon dust]

AA: spell block or nah?

[sick sentinel]

at least you can garunteed that the thunder guy will come alone ffs

so he cant wiped your group

doesn't just ninja pull from the sky and your dead lol

[toxic gyro]

I tried thunder drake on 20 with my friends and the debuff that goes out rekt them after they ran out of cds, and healer dispell only one

Fire drake you just use dps cds when he goes sub 50%, way easier

[fading tide]

About to do a 16 COS any tips?

[sick sentinel]

flame gullet has a thing about sub 50% hp he enrages? so just taunt and ignore him if dealing with cinder bolters pack?

sounds like you could cut alot of damage on the group by just ignore dragon till last

[toxic gyro]

Fire drake starts doing group wide aoe that ramps up when he drops below 50%

[polar raptor]

what I've done to skip, is wait for him to fly off, then next group take up on platform and you'll be out of aggro range when he lands

[sick sentinel]

so what i said or dps needs to nuke it first with everything but lust all cds especially at 50%

[toxic gyro]

Don’t use dps cds until drake is 50%

Also can lust

100-50 all he does is tank buster and breath

Also I wouldn’t pull dragon with a pack of mobs, rlp timer is pretty chill, no reason for big pulls there

[sick sentinel]

so, if i craft a food buff item which is one you add an item for, and then i later go to recraft it at a higher ilvl i won't need to redo the effect

i did normal boots, and prembellished bracers

[toxic gyro]

All gems, enchants, embellishments stay there after upgrading an item

[lime urchin]

Play safe in the first areas up to first boss, extra stuff is easily pulled there with inexperienced players

[sick sentinel]

i was considering doing this ring since the game does not wish to give me a ring

[toxic gyro]

If you have good shield and weapon then go for it

[sick sentinel]

shiled, yes, weapon not so much terms of ilvl

[toxic gyro]

Weapon is a your biggest dps upgrade

And if you’re doing 16 and higher you can get it to 418 easily

[sick sentinel]

well, i only have the part for a 405

and then 2 more of the fragments to next 405 (I need 8 more)

[polar breach]

how long is the wall cd roughly if you play well with shield slam and rage dump?

[toxic gyro]

You can also wait until tomorrow and see what you get in the box

[lofty widget]

1-1:20

[polar breach]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

well, that and whats in the heroic raid weekly

[toxic gyro]

If you raid then might as well

[sick sentinel]

there was some speculation talk that tomorrow might be a heroic box from weekly quest

Tomorrow will be world quests, it goes in a rotation

more importantly, tomorrow is no more grevious

[mental scarab]

Whats grevious

Sounds like a healer thing

[sick sentinel]

I think I take grevious over sanguine explosive

sanguine WAY easier to manage

not like sanguine can heal explosives, that would be omega gross

[cloud tide]

what phial do i get?

[wanton shale]

can we add sockets to a ring like we do to Lariat?

[halcyon dust]

I run glacial fury

[jovial birch]

If you take tokens from vault you can.

[fallow osprey]

On my server r3 glacial fury is about 1100g and r3 tepid vers is 130g

And they are in the same ballpark

[uneven mason]

Yeah it's loopy, about the same price difference on my server

[fallow osprey]

Works out for me though! I get to flask every run for cheap

[weary python]

Any solid prot warriors content creators worth watching either YouTube or twitch?

[oblique kayak]

Pika

[craggy pilot]

just had a +19 nokhud, we talked for 5min about lusting first pull "pat + pack" i said, and the healer insta flies towards Storm boss 🤔

do people actually lust any packs in Storm boss?

am i pepega for assuming we were both talking about Stone boss trash... 🤔

[uneven mason]

Wat

Literally never seen that

Storm I mean

[craggy pilot]

if i wanna lust first pack, i would do the middle patrol on Stone boss, + 1 of the catapult packs

thats pretty normal isnt it?

idk if he thought i wanted to pull the Lightning Kodo ontop of a totem and lust that 🤣

that sounds ultra stupid

[uneven mason]

Of course I'm still finding pugs who don't understand the mechanics on storm boss

[craggy pilot]

i would pull stuff on the catapults

and Resto druid would instant typhoon everything

idk why

[cinder storm]

Outer pack, not the middle, and would do it alone because of the add that controls the bird

[craggy pilot]

lust the outer pack alone?

[uneven mason]

Knockback only way to stop rally the pack

[craggy pilot]

is that enough value from lust?

can stun it

but he did it INSTA

before the Rally was even started

[uneven mason]

Oh

[craggy pilot]

shockwave clears it

[uneven mason]

Big dumb

[craggy pilot]

what i usually do

[uneven mason]

Yeah I run strmobolt and shock for those alone

[cinder storm]

Yeah, outer pack has like 7 adds? It's not worth linking it with catapult because one or two dps will die because of arrows or birds

[craggy pilot]

i run stormbolt and shockwave in all dungeons 😄

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye ok

[uneven mason]

Fuck "shoot"

[craggy pilot]

birds need to be stunned before he casts the fixate right?

[cinder storm]

Ye

[lucid raven]

Does loot not drop in normal if duo? Was trying to help my friend farm a whelp trinket

[craggy pilot]

hunters mark and hunt prey

[fading tide]

You lust on first pull in HOV?

[cinder storm]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

on fort yes

if you pull 3 packs

[fading tide]

Which adds am I pulling?

[craggy pilot]

but if you dont feel safe pulling 3 packs, just do 2 then 1

and lust boss

[lofty widget]

everything before first boss

[fading tide]

Pull everything b4 first boss?

Oh god

[craggy pilot]

what lvl u doing bro?

[fading tide]

16

[craggy pilot]

just do 2 packs

then dragon pack

then lust boss

[lofty widget]

^

[craggy pilot]

you can do the other strat when more confident, or when doing higher keys

on 16 it doesnt matter

[cinder storm]

Normally tell people not to run close to you and healer not to throw hots while you are riding to dragon, watch people fail at those two simple things

[craggy pilot]

do people ride all the way to dragon?

i usually TC the first 2, leap + charge next pack and throw Ravager, then Charge the Dragon and TC

[cinder storm]

Nah, you ride with the first two, TC the next three and leap to dragon

[craggy pilot]

hmm ok

[vital lichen]

on H Dathea, does first tank take 3 stacks? you guys know?

[craggy pilot]

just the other way gets way more Rage with 2x Charge

but idk

[craggy pilot]

4 if warrior

[cinder storm]

Thing is, first two have a wide hitbox so you kinda need to make sure you move fast from left to right to get them both, as long as people don't ride on top of you it's fine

[craggy pilot]

you can also easymode and just swap on 2 stacks

[craggy pilot]

ye ok never had this issue with just TC them

[lucid raven]

Can you farm Ruby Whelp Shell on normal? Like 7 runs 0 item drops

[craggy pilot]

@cinder storm what would you lust here? just the 1 big pack?

[craggy pilot]

no

[cinder storm]

1

[craggy pilot]

i think you get locked to normal after 1attempt a week?

but honestly Normal Ruby kinda sucks

just farm it on M+

[lucid raven]

Was helping a friend so he can train

I meant normal, not even M0

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, thought its not enough value, and was trying to do middle patrol + catapult

[strong forum]

On heroic you can take infinite as pwar

Doesn't matter

You have a charge for every single one

[craggy pilot]

if you Charge fast enough, you can take infinite yes

[torpid fiber]

anyone have a macro for mass fish turn in with the iskaran?

[craggy pilot]

but at 4 stacks it gets kinda Scary

and 1 missed second and you go to Africa

[strong forum]

I've not had issues

[uneven mason]

Normal is infinite

[craggy pilot]

🤔 wtf, this is a prot discord not a fishing discord 😄

[craggy pilot]

ah

but why the hell would you want a Normal Whelp 🤔

[strong forum]

To start training it

[uneven mason]

Heroic (if manual entry) is 1 day, mythic 0 is 1 week

[azure ivy]

Not 100% sure how internal cooldowns of trinkets like all totem work, and maybe someone can help clarify, but as I read it, I was wondering would running bonemaw with all totem be a good combo?

[uneven mason]

This

It not like there are a ton of+2 keys anymore

[torpid fiber]

ya cause this discord never deviates from purely prot warr discussions lol

[uneven mason]

Literally google it

Betting you'll get a mass turn in macro

[strong forum]

All-totem CD is 30sec,as the item states

[craggy pilot]

nah never bro

😄

[strong forum]

Sure if you have nothing better, bonemaw is usable

[jovial birch]

I think there is a quest helper addon that does auto turn in for items like that.

I had a friend bitching about it the other day because it turned in all his fish when he talked to the guy haha

[torpid fiber]

oh dang, why didnt i think of that?! twat

[warm plinth]

There's tons of addons that do auto turn-in. Pretty sure even MRT does it

[torpid fiber]

thanks for the tip

[strong forum]

I just use auto-turnin

[cinder storm]

I read the quests

[halcyon dust]

+2'd a 16 RLP. did 46K overall. not bad not bad

[jovial birch]

Yeah that’s the addon friend just confirmed. He said be careful because if you have double the amount of fish it turns them all in lol

[torpid fiber]

i have like 80000 mackarels so i hope it does turn em all in lol

[halcyon dust]

Casters in CoS? Spell reflect?

[cinder storm]

RLP feels like JY in the sense, if everything goes well and no one dies the key goes super smooth

[halcyon dust]

Yea, had a really good group overall

[strong forum]

That's all keys rn

But smbg is the new JY

Super free timer

[jovial birch]

Timer is actually one of the more decent ones as long as the run is smooth you don’t need huge pulls to even 2 star it.

[uneven mason]

Explaining how to bait the fire shit so we don't block ourselves in

[cinder storm]

People talk about smb needing less time to nerf it, I think it's fine to have a "free" key every season

[uneven mason]

Smbg can get messsy

There is a bug with the wall

[jovial birch]

Kind of like jade temple with interrupts being very important but other then that place is cake.

[warm plinth]

Blizzard seems to agree going off the recent interview with Naguura

[cinder storm]

Same dps that won't kick for two keys straight will kick channeling in smb

[rancid ember]

Have you done 20+ TJS?

1.5 Second cast tank busters than require stuns galore. They do 350k+ in a 20 Fort key atm

[lofty widget]

[cinder storm]

About us having a free key or reducing timer for smb?

[warm plinth]

Having a free key

[rancid ember]

Can't reflect gaze btw

Can reflect claw

[warm plinth]

They said that past the first week or two, they are extremely unlikely to make a dungeon harder. THey'd prefer to just nerf the outliers on the other end.

[uneven mason]

Literally "don't interrupt the domination channel" is an audio queue for "Huntard03 begins to cast Wailing Arrow"

[warm plinth]

Did that dungeon the other day with an ele sham

Earthquake knockdown literally trolling

[uneven mason]

Thunder, thunder, thunderassnhooooo

My favorite is when they thunder that pack and pull 4 ghosts so you have 4 deathbolts casting

[jovial birch]

I’m saying sbg has some important interrupts like jade temple but outside of that sbg is cake. Bosses in temple are much worse then sbg. No I have not done a 20 my 18 hits hard enough haha.

[rancid ember]

The frontals become terrifying. Gotta hope your DPS really understand the importance of stunning that. You can manage most your own with Shield wall / Stuns, but if DPs helps its much better.

1.5 sec cast needs to be nerfed imo. 2 seconds or 2.5 for something lthat deadly

[warm plinth]

I saw the Quadzii video on the last pull of Jade Temple earlier today and he's like "the pull isn't really that difficult" and proceeds to just run away the entire time because being in melee range without reflect/a big defensive and you just die 😂

[rancid ember]

that only works for spelsl

not a stun required ability

[frosty mango]

Imo timer is fine just add more trash

[craggy pilot]

the frontals from birds?

[rancid ember]

tbh that last pack isn't so bad if you play it right. Also I started running the double shield wall talent for TJS and it feels really good in there

[rancid ember]

Haunting sha's cast a tank buster something "gaze"

Must be stunned, cant be reflected

Then you got the other guys that cast Dark Claw which can be reflected

[cinder storm]

It's fine to have a pack that makes a tank think or kite, it's pretty much the hardest hitting pack, we also need a challenge

[frosty mango]

You can do a lot as a warrior there but "playing it right" also means your dps not being clowns and stunning

[craggy pilot]

oh thought you were talking nokhud

[lofty widget]

but those mobs are prio targets anyway due to their fear so they dont last long

[cinder storm]

The biggest bait there is trying to grab new adds in temple last pack

[lofty widget]

and you have plenty of ways to stop that cast your self

[warm plinth]

Easier said than done to stop dark claw because it's only a 1 second cast time. Means you have to hold a GCD to stop it reliably

[frosty mango]

Once you hit the 19/20 level on fort if your dps don't pump you just can't facetank it, you're gonna get rolled once you run outta defensives. Also dps forever focus the big sha spawning dude which is dumb because it's the easiest one in the pack

[jovial birch]

Tank buster is dark claws from the Shas.

[rancid ember]

I'ma say again. It's a 1.5 second cast. THere's a half million things that can happen that cause you to miss a 1.5 second cast than can BLAP you for 350K in a 20-21 key. Just saying it requires your DPS to help you as well, you can't do everything 🙂

[lofty widget]

not really

[warm plinth]

Dark Claw is 1 second, not 1.5

[rancid ember]

I'm talking about Gaze, not claw.

lolol

[warm plinth]

Oh

[lofty widget]

theres 2 things to be aware of

[rancid ember]

^

[lofty widget]

claw and gaze

[warm plinth]

I mean, you're not gonna die just from gaze. The Dark Claws are infinitely scarier because there are 3 of them

[lofty widget]

you have reflect for one of them

[rancid ember]

+kick fear 🙂

[rancid ember]

Say that to the mobs before second boss in a 20+ key

[toxic gyro]

You can reflect all 3 if you sync them

[warm plinth]

That's different. I'm talking about the last pack where you are spending a lot of time kiting

[rancid ember]

mmmmm

feels good to do

[warm plinth]

Syncing them is scary too though because if you make a mistake, bye

[toxic gyro]

I shockwave them before claw comes of cd

Seems to work good

But yea definitely little scary

[rancid ember]

I've noticed the 1st dark claw doesn't get cast until after the big guy starts casting his channeled frontal. THat's your Q

Be ready to shockwave after u see frontal starting to charge

[jovial birch]

Run in demo shout shockwave first set of claws, then shield wall intimidating shout second set glass stand and start kiting for your life

[cinder storm]

Well, you can rotate SW and externals plus spellblock

[rancid ember]

Double SW talent for TJS try it. you'll thank me later ❤️

[jovial birch]

Yeah, spell, reflect when you can’t interrupt any more

[cinder storm]

Most people run defenders already for ruby and temple

I'm actually considering it for crawth tyrannical too

[strong forum]

Immovable object might prove more useful vs crawth

[toxic gyro]

For crawth you’re better of with other one

[rancid ember]

ye ^

[toxic gyro]

You can have wall every 1-1.5 min

[cinder storm]

Good call

[jovial birch]

That fight is much better when people understand the balls

Don’t throw third ball until at least four stacks

Are usually rally fourth stack or fifth depending on healer

[frosty mango]

Just let the healer do it imo

That's been my approach

[jovial birch]

In my experience, there is still a lot of people in higher keys that don’t know how that works

[cinder storm]

5 stacks seems like a one shot already

[jovial birch]

They just grab all the balls and throw right away

[cinder storm]

4 stacks was already spicy

[jovial birch]

Yeah I have only had one healer successfully do 5

4 seems to be the number and I usually rally on 4

Then hero during fire

[cinder storm]

The peck + screech at 4 is

[trim kettle]

hi can anyone give me advice in which slot i should use my concentrated primal infusion based on my gear?

[reef holly]

As a tank main- I don’t know the mechanic of Crawth. Which goal are you supposed to start with first?

[dreamy whale]

hey fellas, I wanna ask you something about the seal of filial duty ring. Ring dropped today from 1st and 7th boss it doesnt show on the need greed list. My loot spec is on protection. Is this a bug or is it something buggy for me?

thank you in advance

[uneven mason]

Tanks are literally the most important role to know mechanics

[warm plinth]

I haven't done an AA high enough that I used both goals yet tbh. I imagine that goes for higher keys as well as long as you can survive the screeches.

[uneven mason]

Did you mean "as a fotm rerillers, I never learned to read"

[reef holly]

So as a tank we are supposed to be picking up balls?

[warm plinth]

Sounds like a bug? Like if you have same/higher ilevel rings then I don't think you'd be able to need on them but you should still be able to greed.

[dreamy whale]

my guild is boostin my warrior for progress and my rings were not higher than the ilvl of the ring

this is so seird

weird

[warm plinth]

Don't gotta be a dick about it; the dude came here to improve and you're shitting on him

[dreamy whale]

guess it happened just to me, not a known bug or something

thank you

[uneven mason]

You right, I sorry @reef holly

[warm plinth]

I've heard stories from other people of similar things

[zinc spruce]

where its best to bl in ruby life pools?

[warm plinth]

Not specifically the rings, but just in general

[zinc spruce]

1st boss or the miniboss before it

[uneven mason]

First shield IMO on 1st boss

But YMMV

[zinc spruce]

okay

whatever that means

[warm plinth]

Your mileage may vary

[zinc spruce]

wtf 🤣

[warm plinth]

Means you may have a different experience

[zinc spruce]

yeah makes sense

ty

[hazy sluice]

phial of versa is a thing? been using glacial fury

[reef holly]

Heh all good. I’ve done AA up to 16 without knowing it 😂. Just cycling defensives on the peck is what I know. I leave the balls to everyone else.

[heady jetty]

classic question, which race as horde tank?

[unkempt imp]

Tauren. Or Moove to the alliance

[heady jetty]

makes sense

[unkempt imp]

Get it moove

[thin silo]

Now you're just milking the joke

[heady jetty]

Currently undead, found quite some good uses for wotf, still could just move

[unkempt imp]

I just wanted to make sure it was black and white for him.

[edgy spear]

belf dispel can have some neat uses

[uneven mason]

It's a silence

He's on classic

[uneven mason]

Literally doesn't matter tbh in pve

[sick sentinel]

Worth to level a warrior for m+ tanking or will they nerf it?

[tropic tangle]

all the tanks are solid, level a warrior if you want to play a warrior

[pseudo garden]

I picked warrior just because they had a great talent tree and it's usually my go to. Prot pal looks fun too

[zinc spruce]

Worth, DH is also pretty good

[wary plume]

this

play what you want

[zinc spruce]

but not 🐻

[wary plume]

well that goes without saying

because no one wants to 🐻

[uneven mason]

They've already nerfed it 4x

[zinc spruce]

and still slappin

i wonder how busted it was early on

[uneven mason]

Bur is solid just has a shitty talent tree and is boring

[zinc spruce]

some classes they do em dirty

[wary plume]

2 button tankm

🛌

[uneven mason]

Tbh the nerfs didn't do much besides scare some fotm rerillers

[sick sentinel]

So vdh any good?

[uneven mason]

All tanks are good

[sick sentinel]

Not brew

[uneven mason]

Probably the Best tank balancing has been ever

Warriors just seem stronger because we're doing what we've always done, reduce damage to nothing

[zinc spruce]

was ignore pain always a non-gcd skill?

[uneven mason]

But for some reason people noticed this expansion

[glad roost]

Hai Warrior friends, I'm having trouble maintaining rage in M+. Can y'all give me some pointers? 🙂

[bold turret]

All tanks but monk are in the top 10 for M+ score I think

[uneven mason]

For a brief horrible patch it was in the GCD

[zinc spruce]

haste

[zinc spruce]

when was that

cause i remember something but idk when

[uneven mason]

BFA launch

[zinc spruce]

oh

[wary plume]

untalent barbaric

[uneven mason]

Where warriors could reduce tankbuster by 95% and have insane uptime on our CDs, but a simple rock could murder us

[uneven mason]

Hard to give advice without logs or anything

[zinc spruce]

What nullfactor said, you might be using revenge too much without BSC

[uneven mason]

BT is the definition of a newbie trap

[zinc spruce]

i always fall for it

but honestly it makes no sense to take it

[wary plume]

good for burst aoe tho

😁

[uneven mason]

It's not

[zinc spruce]

you just save yourself extra casts for dmg i guess no?

its 10 more rage for 25% dmg, and the ordinary is 30 rage

[uneven mason]

It actually leads generally to less revenge damage

[zinc spruce]

or is it 20

[wary plume]

longterm yeah

20->30

[zinc spruce]

what would u take instead

[uneven mason]

It's 25% damage for 50% higher cost in a vacuum

[zinc spruce]

wtf

[uneven mason]

But the higher cost leads to less ss resets

So less rage

[wary plume]

ye thats the biggest issue imo

[uneven mason]

So less revenges

[wary plume]

hate waiting for SS with outburst

[zinc spruce]

do i go uproar? 🤔

[uneven mason]

Don't sit on outburst?

[zinc spruce]

ok i went tianic throw instead of barbaric training

[uneven mason]

That's a good one

[lean gale]

you guys play into the fray or heavy?

for m+

[halcyon dust]

heavy

[uneven mason]

HR generally

Itf if I'm melee heavy

[lean gale]

thx 4 the input guys. What do you think of the more bleed dps talent in m+? is it a trap?

[glad roost]

Do you guys use revenge when you're low on rage? I found that sometimes it would give me a free shield slam.

[fringe siren]

BT fucked me. I rerolled warrior for first time ever a couple of weeks ago from brew and it was causing some issues with rage / IP management when I got into 17-20 keys. Dropping BT was like a light coming from heaven.

[uneven mason]

Yes

[lapis iris]

Hey folks, I'm having trouble gauging how good the 4 piece is. Would yall use 389 pants that get the 4 piece bonus or 408 pants?

[limpid anchor]

Depends if my survivalbilty lacks

[uneven mason]

Basic core rotation is SS - TC - Rev

[limpid anchor]

It’s like 5% leech

[uneven mason]

If ss is not up, you tc, if neither SS and TC are up you Rev

[lapis iris]

Cool. I'm mainly pugging keys so I'll keep the 4pc on to be safe. Thanks 🙂

[lean gale]

i am playing with the discord m+ talent build, it feels great so far in 20+

[uneven mason]

Nom doesn't disappoint

[glad roost]

oh i only use Rev when its glowing @uneven mason

[sage granite]

anyone know how ruby welp training works? Does mine now do big aoe damage?

[uneven mason]

Number one rule of prot, Press Your F##king Buttons

[uneven mason]

It's gonna make it rain

[glad roost]

Do you maintain ignore pain at 100k? @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

I don't even think about IP

I use it to bleed rage

Or if I'm getting slapped

[glad roost]

how do you tank the mobs then without it

[uneven mason]

But I don't monitor it beyond the little bar on my wa

[uneven mason]

🛡️

[whole vortex]

Parry

block

demo shout, spell reflect, shield wall if needed

[uneven mason]

I have IP up most of the time, I just don't spend thought on how much I have unless I know I'm about to get pp slapped

[tropic tangle]

shield block is your primary mitigation, IP is icing

[uneven mason]

Like tjs 3rd boss or rlp #2

[tropic tangle]

and obviously you have other mitigation buttons

[uneven mason]

Or AA bird

[nimble laurel]

Can the Piercing Shards casts in AV be outranged with leap?

[glad roost]

oh i don't have a spell called parry @whole vortex

[whole vortex]

Sounds like you need more crit

[glad roost]

does shieldblock make me immune to damage? @tropic tangle cause i'm spamming it for my life

[polar raptor]

Scenario, IP is capped, rage maxed, rev's proc'ing SS, press SS or REV to dump rage?

[fallen pulsar]

If rev is already procced for free rev it wont dump rage

[polar raptor]

nah it proc'd a SS

[fallen pulsar]

Oh, I’d ss but ignore pain first

[drifting fable]

just IP to dump

its off GCD, you dont care about capping it

it feeds anger management

way more important

[polar raptor]

ok good point

[tropic tangle]

don't even know where to start here, outside of a few niche spells, nothing truly makes you immune to damage

[drifting fable]

if you can keep your rage uncapped you will see mass improvements in your play

[sand drum]

I know you get this question alot and yes ive checked pins just wondering if its WORTH to pick up lariet, imo feels glorified and wont make / break a key or raid

[uneven mason]

He's very obviously trolling at this point, no one is that obtuse

[polar raptor]

it rarely happens, I've just been trying to use Rev more when getting IP capped

[fallen pulsar]

It’s the best embellishment but all embellishments are like roughly equal

[drifting fable]

dont even worry about IP cap

[tropic tangle]

was giving the benefit, but yeah, was leaning that way

[fallen pulsar]

It would be better to get an embellished item with biggest ilvl increase

[drifting fable]

like banish that thought from your mijnd

it literally does not matter

[polar raptor]

k good

[glad roost]

i promise i'm not trolling i'm spending my rage on ip but i'm dying

[drifting fable]

you will be casting IP quite often

[whole vortex]

is it because you're not spending rage on shield block and impending victory?

[drifting fable]

there are very niche situations on specific boss mechanics where knowing how much IP you have is good

but by and large you will just be using it to dump rage

[fallen pulsar]

Idk what do your talents and ilvl look like and what content are you doing

[glad roost]

i don't use impending victory a lot

[polar raptor]

if you were talking to me, no it's mainly very nich situations where things are proc'ing and I'm getting cap's

[whole vortex]

nah I wasn't :)

[fallen pulsar]

72 have you posted your m+ talent build?

[uneven mason]

IP is not your core mitigation, shield block is, and they work together to reduce damage by quite a lot.

You'll also need to regularly use shield wall, demoralizing shout, spell reflect (vs magic damage) and as a recovery tool impending victory and last stand

[fallen pulsar]

Also make sure you use offensive CDs like ravager. Provides 10 rage per tick which is a lot of rage gen

[uneven mason]

But generally warriors should be fairly close to max HP and almost always empty on rage

[warm plinth]

You don't need to pick up lariat as it's about the same as any other embellishment. That being said, a 418 lariat means you're never going to use another necklace.

[warm plinth]

Meant to reply to you

[glad roost]

thank sorry i'm in a dungeon rn i'll reply soon

[digital viper]

Hey guys, im feeling like im not doing much damage on ST (im even having trouble holding aggro from another tank in raid some times) the talent build on Wowhead is the best? and im pressing everything on cd and trying to use some revenge even on ST, am i doing something wrong?

[uneven ice]

Is then SB the most important thing to get track of?

[polar raptor]

@uneven ice you want it up all the time

[uneven ice]

How many uptime is good on a Mythic run? Last details report i got on 53% uptime

Is it bad?

[polar raptor]

not great

I think you should be around high 80-90%

[uneven mason]

It's uh what we're your blocked hits

[warm plinth]

Logs would help but you absolutely shouldn't be losing aggro to your cotank

[uneven mason]

Goal (very obtainable) is 90% blocked hits

[uneven ice]

That is my question: in details how can i see the uptime of SB?

[warm plinth]

Do you log?

[uneven mason]

It's a buff

[warm plinth]

Details uptime isn't necessarily important (though 53% absolutely means you are not playing the spec properly)

[uneven ice]

If i look in auras, my feeling is that it counts the time between pulls as downtime

[warm plinth]

What matters is % of blocked hits

Details doesn't track time you're not in combat

[uneven ice]

No, i’m learning basics yet

[warm plinth]

Thats the most important time to log

[uneven mason]

Logs?

[uneven ice]

Ok, will be more aware of.

[warm plinth]

So you can investigate/get feedback on where you went wrong

[uneven ice]

How can i log?

Is it different than details, i suppose

[uneven mason]

It's worth it to log a few runs and upload so you can take a look

[sick sentinel]

you wanna log?

as in: do your own logs?

[turbid shuttle]

if your details uptime is 53% you kinda already know you're not pressing SB enough; a log isn't gonna tell you anything more

[uneven ice]

I don’t understand the question, sorry

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

Some addons will start the logging for you

But that guide is a start

[sick sentinel]

For example, when you raid, there are logs for those fights. It can be done by others that are in that fight with you or by yourself

if you wanna do them yourself, refer to the guide above

[uneven ice]

Thanks!

[uneven ice]

I can’t raid for time constraint, i do Mythic+ only

Well, indo LFR, but i think is not really a place to get data from

[uneven mason]

You can log m+

[warm plinth]

Logging m+ is pointless for parses but can be very helpful to learn where you're going wrong as far as rotation, cd usage, etc

Highly recommend

[uneven ice]

Ok, will do

I was focusing a lot more in IP than SB

[sick sentinel]

Yep, what they said

Shield Block is the bread and butter of your defensiveness

[uneven mason]

Yeah..
Seems to be the #1 mistake

[sick sentinel]

you should always try to have it on as much as possible

[uneven mason]

Like at least we're not seeing whirlwind prot that often

[uneven ice]

Good to know i was wrong, so i can improve

Any trick to help on uptime, and be more optimized in not overlapping SB cd?

[sick sentinel]

Dont press Shield Block a second time before the last buff expires

[lusty tiger]

What is a good hits blocked %?

[uneven ice]

Thabks for all the insight! 🙂

[lusty tiger]

Are you using heavy repercussions?

[nimble laurel]

I've never seen this matter

[lusty tiger]

It doesn’t

If u press ss

[warm plinth]

You can have up to 3x duration on shield block

[uneven mason]

Press it as long as you need it, generally won't need to be micromanaged

[warm plinth]

Overlapping shouldn't be a concern

No

That's literally how much you can have

[lusty tiger]

Ye ur right

[uneven ice]

Heavy repercussions is the talent that extends SB on SS hit?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[uneven mason]

Bolster is the only stretch

[lusty tiger]

^

[uneven ice]

Yes, i have it

[lusty tiger]

Just macro sb to your ss and press ss a lot

[nimble laurel]

Sb isn't always necessary

[warm plinth]

Do not do that.

[uneven mason]

But since hr isn't competing with am, we can take it and have ez 100% uptime

[lusty tiger]

Why

[uneven ice]

I’ve read that macros are bad 😛

[viral elk]

I do the opposite

[warm plinth]

Because you're teaching him suboptimal gameplay

[glad roost]

@uneven mason @fallen pulsar oh my god using revenge made a huge difference i kept getting shield slam procs

[warm plinth]

What if I end a pull with shield slam and now I'm just wasting uptime

[lusty tiger]

Press ss more

[pallid quiver]

If you have Enduring Defenses, as long as you have 16 seconds remaining on block, you'll get full duration from pressing shield block again

[nimble laurel]

You don't need to shield block if you aren't getting melee'd (or using spell block to mitigate damage)

[uneven mason]

[lusty tiger]

False

[acoustic edge]

i got a wa that plays a sound when it expires. another one that makes my shield block icon flashes when buff not present. debating putting an overlay too 😂 surely i will remember looking at one of those things

[warm plinth]

You should be though, it increases shield slam damage

[lusty tiger]

Sb buffs ss

[uneven mason]

Sb big DPS

[pallid quiver]

And you can get 100% uptime, anyway, so

[lusty tiger]

I had a hov with 93% blocked hits that’s the best I’ve done so far

[pallid quiver]

If you mean after i corrected phone auto correct, ye

you

you have 100% SB uptime if you play right

[uneven mason]

Sorry read that as can't

[lusty tiger]

I will say

[uneven ice]

Ok, so no macros then

[warm plinth]

It was can't at first haha

Autocorrect fail

[pallid quiver]

Phone typed it for me as can't at first, ye

[lusty tiger]

Sometimes u can go dry on pull

[uneven mason]

Macro ss after IP

Only one

[uneven ice]

I have luxthor WA, i don’t know if there is other that its better

[pallid quiver]

That is by far the most sketch auto correct I've ever had

I saw it and went "oh fuck i gotta fix that fast"

[viral elk]

I macro ss after sb, just to snipe ss coming off cool down occasionally

[glad roost]

when should i use spell block? and if I use it should i tell the ppl with me not to use their interrupts? @uneven mason

[uneven mason]

Use Booming voice brand lubricant, for the screamer in us all

[pallid quiver]

SB is a damage reduction, so if they interrupt, all the better

[uneven mason]

No, spell block is very niche

[lusty tiger]

Since I’ve macrod sb to ss all my warrior logs have gone up like 12%

And avatar

[pallid quiver]

SR generally isn't worth telling DPS to hold interrupts unless you're in a voice chat and coordinating

[lusty tiger]

I just don’t think about sb anymore

Or avatar

[glad roost]

but can't i have a macro that says "don't interrupt"

[lusty tiger]

It’s just up

[pallid quiver]

Since most big number reflectable casts can't be interrupted, anyhow, so you can reflect them whether they have interrupts or not

[lusty tiger]

A good macro

If needed

[warm plinth]

You can though I swear people see don't kick and instantly kick

[viral elk]

Don't you lose uptime on sb by having it rip constantly? Like it's overlapping the two charges by a wide margin, yeah?

[lusty tiger]

Nah

[vagrant garden]

Hello everyone! Does anyone use Phial of static Empowerment on last boss in azure boss?

[uneven ice]

Like a castsequence macro?

[lusty tiger]

Not if you miss only 3-4% of your ss procs

[glad roost]

I'm using shield charge for 40 rage if i get into trouble

[lusty tiger]

Use shield charge… if it’s up

[uneven ice]

Macro avatar and SB into SS?

[lusty tiger]

Try it

[uneven ice]

Like one button and go?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[uneven ice]

Will do

[warm plinth]

Do not do that...

[lusty tiger]

Wanna do a log compare using it and not?

[warm plinth]

That's literally the opposite of learning how your spec works

[glad roost]

do you guys use whirlwind? or should i remove it

[lusty tiger]

Remove it

[warm plinth]

Remove it

[glad roost]

ok

[viral elk]

Check pins. No ww.

[warm plinth]

Go check logs for yourself. Have a look at sense's logs. Guarantee he's not macroing SB to shit