RLP and temple we've not done more than once, and that was only week1 on like 12/13
#protection
strong forum
ionic fern
ionic fern
cinder storm
AV last boss must've been nice not to have all the balls chasing the same person for once
strong forum
Was spicy af ngl
cinder storm
ionic fern
Are you getting the orbs?
strong forum
I still felt like I had all of them
indigo gulch
shd i upgrade my shield or lariat 1st
strong forum
Shield
blazing condor
shiel
blazing condor
shield gives damage reduction and main stat
indigo gulch
after that shd be lariat than unstable frostbelt right.
gloomy turret
was able to do enough 16s this week to do 2 418s tho
indigo gulch
if between lariat and frostbelt.
gloomy turret
crafting shield tommorow
strong forum
after that shd be lariat than unstable frostbelt right.
If you plan on getting fire rings from raid, yes belt is good
indigo gulch
thinking of getting that.
but no luck yet.
else if not what shd i use for the 2nd embellishment
strong forum
Doesn't really matter as they're all pretty much even in stat/dmg gain
The bracers effect is solid, 1% vers with 100% uptime
indigo gulch
got it
strong forum
The chest (albeit blocking tier slot) is super good for your m+ group
As it procs stats for your entire group
strong forum
1+haste
warm plinth
1+haste
indigo gulch
👌
weary saddle
I went with Molten belt instead of Frostfire belt, cos I wanted haste/vers
I do not have the raid rings, in case u wondering
spiral shadow
Hey is the rws trinket talents resets with replacing it with other ilvl or it will stick to what have I done
strong forum
Sticks to what you have done, it's character bound, not item bound
zinc spruce
do you guys play dstance on raids?
jagged pier
no
pallid quiver
yes if the pug tank i'm with physically cannot keep aggro and i gotta drop my dps somehow
otherwise no
ionic fern
no
Someone called you out on that "I checked youtube video and Jakey played dstance on Heroic Dirna".
Asking if he should do it also.
jagged pier
oh first week
undergeared
on dirna main tanking
yer i was there
so was sense
do i do it now
no
me and my poor 394 ilvl back then
that shit hurt
blazing condor
ionic fern
Go slap the dummy today with whelp.
jagged pier
rumbling actually sims less than my 398 gift of radiance
ionic fern
surreal birch
I feel odd getting no loot from dungs that I can use as a tank, all drops with crit and no verse 
jagged pier
what?
we dont need vers
in dungeons its actually better defensively to run crit
also ilvl trumps all stats
so saying oh it hasnt got vers on it, is dumb
surreal birch
ye but, 4k crit is a bit too much I feel like, especially as I do raids too
jagged pier
ye but, 4k crit is a bit too much I feel like, especially as I do raids too
why? thats fine
i have 3.5k
and raiding perfectly fine
limpid anchor
Just parry the boss
urban portal
solar blade
man those dungeons all give me haste/vers gear... :pepesadge:
sweet summit
bosses you've killed this season on that difficulty + tier
upper hollow
any chance to win Whispering Incarnate Icon trinket in pug? Maybe setting Fury spec for loot or it doesn't matter?
brittle owl
ye but, 4k crit is a bit too much I feel like, especially as I do raids too
get more crit, kill boss faster, take less damage
every 1k crit you gain is one inch extra to your pp
round shard
So crit> haste/vers?
uneven crane
newb question, does revenge heal me at all? i had a friend tell me it does but i dnt see it in my meters at all, was he talking ab indominatable healing me with rage spending?
jagged pier
yes
scenic mural
as well as leech
uneven crane
ooh okay ty i was confused
zinc spruce
do i roll on spiteful?
jagged pier
yes
warm plinth
Nice roll
zinc spruce
:'C
onyx matrix
Rip, hopefully you'll get it on reset from GV
lyric geode
warm plinth
To be determined. Seems really inconsistent to me so far.
autumn marsh
I have to train mine, it still has points in healing and spends all its time doing that instead of shooting fire
zinc spruce
I really like DoF and whetstone combo
might be cause i havent tried any other trinkets though
400 next week pls 🙏
unreal sage
bosses you've killed this season on that difficulty + tier
This season or this reset?
onyx matrix
400 next week pls 🙏
Ggs, im stuck at 398 🤣
onyx matrix
This season or this reset?
I think he means this reset
unreal sage
Makes more sense for me
sweet summit
season
if i killed eranog week 1 and not this week, eranog loot can still show in vault
hidden linden
If you killed boss A, you're eligible to this boss' loot in your vault
If you didn't, you're not
Exception being tier pieces
sweet summit
ya
onyx matrix
if i killed eranog week 1 and not this week, eranog loot can still show in vault
Wait, really?
I didnt know that tbh
hazy thicket
That's only mythic
ripe cave
im sitting on 5.1k vers with tepid phial. is there a cap or threshold i should be aiming for before this stat gets diminishing returns?
hazy thicket
Full loot table is available for the other 3
amber siren
jolly granite
For sure
Last week wiped because a Dps took the shield and than used channel in the shield. Same result as yours 😂
Yap, also don’t like it
deep spruce
if i killed eranog week 1 and not this week, eranog loot can still show in vault
Well yes, assuming that u still get minimum 2 mythic kills for the week to unlock the mythic slot
untold adder
huh, TIL, i assumed nothing canceled the shield
rain trail
I can't block while solving the puzzle trinket right?
untold adder
solarbeam lul
obsidian path
What's up with some DPS specs not taking their interrupt and/or purge ?
obsidian path
Had a elem shaman guy not having purge
And boomies without mass interrupt. That was a high selling point on sl dungeons
stiff plover
How big is avoidance for us? I have two rings with avoidance but they give crit/mastery and crit/vers are they worth keeping over haste rings just because of the avoidance?
jagged pier
im 90% sure pruge isnt a talent for shaman
obsidian path
Is it a player issue or a spec tree design that made those choices too costly ?
jagged pier
its a base spell
jagged pier
Is it a player issue or a spec tree design that made those choices too costly ?
the top boomie doesnt run inturpt
so ppl just copy him
kinda
autumn marsh
always happens
jagged pier
there is a build that doesnt take it but your group is needed to play around it
that doesnt work in pugs
autumn marsh
I love the mount of control a prot warrior can have
obsidian path
Just checked, purge is a shaman talent
autumn marsh
But so many other classes just run pure dps and it really hurts
Specially on things like the imps in COS
no stuns = splat
autumn marsh
Yeah, its not me that usually dies 😄
Usually they splat a dps, then focus a healer or something, but its so easy with a couple stuns
jagged pier
or if u engage them without any one else
they will only target u
and u can SR all the casts
zinc spruce
Or if someone ninja pulls the mobs on the bridge
jagged pier
as they cast at the same time
autumn marsh
I mean if i dont pull them some mongo brain dps will pull them by mistake 😉
autumn marsh
I was going to main hunter this expac, but im 100% no regreats maining warrior
zinc spruce
I wanted to go for evoker but i didn't have fun in single target
i enjoy the class but i guess how weak it was at first overshadowed how much i enjoyed it
autumn marsh
I was hoping BM would continue to be damn good in mythics, but it dropped off really quickly, and i didnt fancy the hour wait for dps queues so decided, lets tank
zinc spruce
same
autumn marsh
FIrst expansion tanking
autumn marsh
Managed to pick the right class somehow
autumn marsh
Im enjoing fury AND tanking
zinc spruce
i saw fury got some buffs
autumn marsh
oooh when? 😮
zinc spruce
or is going to
autumn marsh
Interesting
Fury is sorta middle pack in raids, and doing well in mythics
THough ive had success with it in most situations
grim hornet
So Haste versa isn't main prio anymore and is close to Haste Crit?
next burrow
I was hoping BM would continue to be damn good in mythics, but it dropped off re...
This is the way.
zinc spruce
Never liked vers
unless a spec has a passive that gets some increased benefit from it or it gets buffed
im noping it
jagged pier
where in what context?
if your talking about the bird
getting 1 more ip is far more benefical than x% of vers
if anything its better to have more crit and mastery because you'll take far less from the melees
so your IP will do more against the bleed
zinc spruce
whats ip
cedar trench
it would be 2.5dr no? its 5% flat?
autumn marsh
Ignore pain up more and more is better than any verse
jagged pier
IP is effected by attack power
cedar trench
its 2.5 dr 5 dmg/heal
yes but you cast more with haste
who cares if its a bit bigger if you get a whole other cast
jagged pier
the attack power coefficient is alot high tho
cedar trench
it's all semantics tbh, if you like one better personally* play it
jagged pier
no more rage is always better
more CDR on SW
and avatar
fueling the cycle of the class even more
more rage is also
surreal birch
soo I want to enchant/gem with haste/mastery for ip ?
jagged pier
more revenges to put into 4set
and just more ip casts
1 cast of IP will out trump a 5% more vers 1 cast IP
because the coefficient of vers int he IP conversion is so small
jagged pier
soo I want to enchant/gem with haste/mastery for ip ?
haste
mortal brook
Small relative, right
jagged pier
okay let me pose a question
is 1 revenge with 5% vers
worth more than 2 revenges
with 5% vers
towards
IP with bv and 4 set
taking out the AP stuff
slim zinc
Vers is a flat amp, haste feedback loops several talents
jagged pier
and the double stat gems, in lariat etc?
haste crit
no we arent
because haste is far more revenges than 1
over a dungeon
slim zinc
Vs them doing 5% more
final jacinth
also more rage, for more revenges, so its above 5 percent more
slim zinc
So either you have 5% more or they do 5% more, yeah stats are basically the same
mortal brook
Such a heated debate for an ability thats best served cold
cedar trench
🐻
final jacinth
the haste will also give you x percent more walls, x percent more avatar, all of which are their own dr in some way or another
slim zinc
Just by additive nature vers gets worse the more you have
sterile bough
S4 warr was so fun to play with 60% haste
slim zinc
But going from 20% to 25% is not a flat 5% gain
final jacinth
also depends on breakpoints, 5 percent haste might not be a lot, but if it pushes you into an extra global inside avatar or demo shout buff its much larger than "5 percent mroe casts of x"
slim zinc
1.25/1.2 =1.0417 so yeah you gain 4.17% damage and 2.08% dr. Meanwhile haste buffs are multiplicative and never lose value
Point still stands
At 10% it's still only a relative gain of 4.55%
Vs 5% haste
No
Because all haste % buffs are multiplicative
Unlike other stats
It's not
final jacinth
no
slim zinc
All stat buffs except haste are additive
That is not what we mean
If you have 20% vers or crit and get 5% you have 25%
If you have 20% haste and get 5% from a buff you have 26%
Because haste is a 1.05 multiplicative to your current haste
sterile bough
All stat buffs except haste are additive
from what I learnt on monk discord by ppl that do shit ton of math and are responsible for siming the stats are multiplicative
final jacinth
from what I learnt on monk discord by ppl that do shit ton of math and are respo...
not all stats are multiplicative, surely we learned this from shadowlands s4
pearl zinc
Imagine arguing with people that make the math for sims
slim zinc
Yes, welcome to undercover game being really weird
sterile bough
that being said it was applied to monk
no clue how its with warr but my guess would be the same
pearl zinc
slim zinc
Your haste is actually 100+tooltip %
And you multiply that with any haste gains or losses
remote plank
Another Question, Third Boss in Temple How do you reduce the dmg of Jade shit Kick ? I Drop to 30% everytime
slim zinc
Game is hella convoluted
final jacinth
yes, same as S4 shadowlands, which is why we sat at >60 percent haste in almost every key
slim zinc
Yep
mortal brook
Any haste% gains yes
slim zinc
Same with ITF
slim zinc
Yh
jagged pier
ye
mortal brook
Is why i get 7% sheet haste from my academy 5% haste buff
slim zinc
Just how it is
Always been like that
The others are amps but haste behaves differently due to how it is tied to the global cd
crystal hill
Your haste is actually 100+tooltip %
this made me realize I'm a little bit stupid
i always conceptualized haste modifiers as like haste% * 1.x + x
but haste actually being 100+haste% makes that simpler.. (same outcome!)
slim zinc
😄
ionic fern
Such a heated debate for an ability thats best served cold
Haaah,good one.
steep wraith
Your GCD is just 1.5 / haste with each source of haste multiplying
slim zinc
Easiest way to conceptualize it from a time perspective is that 1+haste% is how many globals you fit in 1.5 seconds window
steep wraith
If you get lust it's 1.5/(1.gearsheethaste*1.3)
slim zinc
If you get lust it's 1.5/(1.gearsheethaste*1.3)
Up to 100% haste*
GCD is capped at a lower bound of 0.75s
steep wraith
The academy buff isn't from gear, so you get 1.5/(1.gearsheethaste*1.3*1.05)
warm plinth
Rogues have 1 sec. .8 sec during adrenaline rush for most abilities
sweet summit
energy specs have a static 1 sec gcd with adrenaline rush reducing that or something iirc
warm plinth
Haste doesn't reduce energy specs gcd
That's why Haste is shit for outlaw. All you get is a tiny amount of energy regen and faster auto attacks
high drum
Just by additive nature vers gets worse the more you have
the inverse is true for the defensive half of vers
slim zinc
the inverse is true for the defensive half of vers
Correct
shy python
Sooo... Do we tank in Battlestance or Defstance?
Did both with ilvl 395 in 13/14 Keys and didn't feel a big difference.
jagged pier
b stance
jagged pier
ye
shy python
Cool.
I love crit. 🥰
ionic fern
Same.
azure light
At any time?
unless u think ur getting a big hit, i sometimes stanceswap phase 2 TJS 3rd boss
shy python
unless u think ur getting a big hit, i sometimes stanceswap phase 2 TJS 3rd boss
Of course 👍
timid coyote
When I'm assessing my own logs, aside from CD frequency what else should I be looking at to optimise damage?
sonic eagle
how do you guys tank the last pull before the last boss in Jade Temple? It alwsys wipes me
full monolith
You can usually face-tank it by rotating CDs, stuns and stuff. Make sure to adjust sound notification for the Dark Claw cast. (Only did on up to +21 so far)
In the end you can start kiting when out of stuff.
thick rivet
spell reflect first set of dark claw, grab aggro, you can wall a 2nd set, and then you can ask for stops or outrange
fast knot
I'm still at the point of needing Spell Block so I can have that as a cover for sets until Reflect is up for the others, alongside Wall(s)
once those are gone you play the running man because your dps are either dogshit or your key level is high enough where they survive that long
sonic eagle
I was thinking of swapping to Block for that dunngeon just because od thag pull
full monolith
Spell Block is fine for that dungeon imo
fast knot
Plus relegate your dps to actually cc or focus the important mobs that are gonna fuck you up
echo bramble
Spell block works very well for that pull. I've found the following to be deathless every time: Spell block -> wall -> spell reflect -> stuns -> dead pack usually
sonic eagle
You can usually face-tank it by rotating CDs, stuns and stuff. Make sure to adju...
i gotta add it to sound thags a greas idea
full monolith
i gotta add it to sound thags a greas idea
Ye do that! I have changed sound for most the tank busters. Works really really good for me!
sonic eagle
Ye do that! I have changed sound for most the tank busters. Works really really ...
is there a list somewhere?
full monolith
is there a list somewhere?
I happen to adjust them as soon as I fail an ability 😄 have not seen a list yet
unreal sage
how do you guys tank the last pull before the last boss in Jade Temple? It alwsy...
Throw ravager into pack then after few sec charge into it, that will sync every tank busters so you can reflect all of them at once with one spell reflect, second one with spell block and third also reflect, i think wt will die at mean while but if not you still have shockwave, heroic leap etc
craggy pilot
breath on 1st dragon in Halls, i cant step out of that right?
guess i need to rotate CDs for that in +20?
hitting for 400k
bold turret
Yeah one pull im pumping IP
marble cipher
afaik you can't walk out of the initial hit of the frontal, then you can sidestep (even if I don't know if it actually still does damage after it's first hit @craggy pilot
craggy pilot
im healthy healthy healthy 1shot
fun stuff 🤣
oh well going in +20 first key of the day was maybe a bit pepega
bold turret
You don’t need SR in the pull so I guess that should be used
dreamy fulcrum
should i be using slam or whirlwind? when i got ignore pain capped and rage full?
deep spruce
should i be using slam or whirlwind? when i got ignore pain capped and rage full...
No
dreamy fulcrum
so what is the spender in this situation?
deep spruce
Revenge
dreamy fulcrum
got it, ty
deep spruce
and i just got oneshot and key is dead
The breath can be outranged
But it's not worth, just use a defensive
autumn marsh
Spell block?
lime urchin
should i be using slam or whirlwind? when i got ignore pain capped and rage full...
you should not even have this keybound, or even on your bars
autumn marsh
Just spam more revenge 😄
lime urchin
well, you should be slamming your shield as much as possible, and thunderclapping as much as possible
to get as many casts possible of shield slam and thunderclap is already something most people need to practise most
cold pollen
on third boss of jade p2 does dh darkness work ?
craggy pilot
The breath can be outranged
ye ok i did
how do people do Halls +20? i got flamed for going wolf 🤔 feel like it should be doable with proper stuns from dps
lime urchin
well I think you need to kill a couple around the place where the 2nd phase is?
craggy pilot
well I think you need to kill a couple around the place where the 2nd phase is?
ye
well
lime urchin
you play with pugsies or with frens?
lime urchin
then I would pull wolfs
lime urchin
oh dear, sweet sweet puglife toxicity
craggy pilot
when every route online has wolfs
+19
and 1 mistake and they insta flame
fucking idiots man
lime urchin
I suppose with good play you could avoid them, because they are pretty annoying
fading sundial
Yeah unless you have a ranged that knows how to bait the leaps
craggy pilot
fading sundial
I think it’s worth talking about before you start the key
craggy pilot
also the tank frontal lining up
and literally happening at the same time
is so spicy 🤣
heal did say "share route"
and i did
he said nothing 😄
then when we get there he flames my route
fucking joker man
craggy pilot
Yeah I save all my shit and kite them if I double up there
yea thats what i usually do
i did Shockwave too early in the hunters Binding though
if i hadnt i would have had Leap rdy to jump out after Binding -> Shcokwave
and then probably monk ring
bold turret
You can skip all of them
lime urchin
I think it’s worth talking about before you start the key
this greatly helps too, but some people just cba and expect some kind of automated process where nothing goes wrong
craggy pilot
You can skip all of them
explain plz
fading sundial
Yeah lol
craggy pilot
this greatly helps too, but some people just cba and expect some kind of automat...
people always just join key and say nothing
eager phoenix
you dont need to skip wolves on a 19 to time halls
craggy pilot
i sometimes say "how we feeling today guys" and no one says a word
and they just think im being weird 🤣
craggy pilot
you dont need to skip wolves on a 19 to time halls
nah is my thought too
fading sundial
You guys know to pull the bears? Biggest time saver in ther imo
craggy pilot
but man people wanna flame in +19 i guess
craggy pilot
You guys know to pull the bears? Biggest time saver in ther imo
what do you save by going bears?
bold turret
I always play with monk who rings the closest one of the 2 and we run through but I think it can be walked through?
fading sundial
It’s the easiest pack for %
lime urchin
what do you save by going bears?
going bears is nicer
bold turret
Yeah I do bears and yaks
craggy pilot
It’s the easiest pack for %
ye i know that, but what other packs can you skip?
lime urchin
no need for yaks
fading sundial
After the boss, go pull every bear and kite them around
bold turret
Yaks are free depending on comp
lime urchin
You can skip all of them
I think the question is, if you should skip them with pugsies, but idk
fading sundial
I haven’t done the yaks but I could see that too
bold turret
Oh right, I mean if all dps are ranged then yaks are still fine
fading sundial
Is that when you do them?
lime urchin
the yaks are also annoying
bold turret
All bears + yaks is huge time save but not pug friendly
bold turret
The sentinels + middle pack
fading sundial
You skip 6 and 21
fading sundial
And then grab a beer and do all the last mobs 2 at a time
craggy pilot
And then grab a beer and do all the last mobs 2 at a time
so you have to stealth skip Sentinels?
fading sundial
Yeah
craggy pilot
but sentinels are kinda free i feel?
fading sundial
They take time though
bold turret
Different discussion but you can do all the 4 mini bosses at the same time
fading sundial
All 4?
bold turret
They are health sacks and you can’t constantly dps them
Yes all 4
You need 4 beers
3 beers*
fading sundial
You can tank that? Never tried
limpid anchor
How? You need to tag each and then wait until the beer expires -> talk to the next one right
bold turret
“Played it safe”
limpid anchor
Do 2 people just stay out of combat until all are pulled?
fading sundial
Nielsen, just do the 2 wold packs you have to do one pull at a time
bold turret
You can throw all 3 beers I think I only do the first one but they are dosing so I don’t believe so
craggy pilot
Nielsen, just do the 2 wold packs you have to do one pull at a time
can i face tank them if i just do 1 pack by 1?
bold turret
can i face tank them if i just do 1 pack by 1?
Yeah
craggy pilot
3 wolves can i face tank that?
craggy pilot
the tank hit from them gets lined if i stun no?
bold turret
I’d suggest popping a defensive on fort
limpid anchor
3 wolves can i face tank that?
Pull alll 12 wolfs and pop wall
bold turret
xD
craggy pilot
Pull alll 12 wolfs and pop wall
😄
you tryna get me flamed harder bro wtf 😄
sometimes tanking feels unrewarding
people just shit on you when you do 1 mistake in +19 halls
fading sundial
I know people do pull all the wolves but I feel like you’re a little pebble in the wrong place from losing the key
craggy pilot
kinda wanna make some kinda addon where i can add notes on people who flame after 1 fuckup
and then other people can see the same
kinda like "review an m+er"
bold turret
I MIGHT be wrong here… isn’t they’re tank hit based on how many are pulled? It’s like a x number of hits before just one claps?
The wolves this is
craggy pilot
I MIGHT be wrong here… isn’t they’re tank hit based on how many are pulled? It’s...
you mean they buff each other?
bold turret
Ya
fading sundial
I’m not aware
fallow forge
hey, are there any updated MDT routes posted somewhere?
bold turret
Perhaps idk I always felt like pulling 2/3 is 10x easier than 5
fading sundial
Yeah for sure
bold turret
Pulling 5 you can get globalled
bold turret
hey, are there any updated MDT routes posted somewhere?
Old routes wil still work with updated MDT
craggy pilot
but wont i line up the tank hit if i stun 3x Wolves on opener?
bold turret
You can SB and SC individual ones
fading sundial
I don’t let them hit me if I don’t have SW up
fading sundial
xD
bold turret
Probably worth semi kiting like with most mobs
craggy pilot
i have mob CD on nameplates, but im pretty sure it doesnt show for the Wolves
and theres no cast bar is there?
bold turret
i have mob CD on nameplates, but im pretty sure it doesnt show for the Wolves
There isn’t one for them I don’t think
fading sundial
I mean I just kite after stun unless like one leaps out so I’m only facing 2 max
bold turret
I just stand still generally coz pwar
craggy pilot
also how am i at 45% hp for 3 seconds here 🤣
bold turret
I don’t know, I thought there was like a stacking aspect of it where it made multiple packs of wolves unplayable but if can’t see anything on it
craggy pilot
on MDT the bull Piercing Horns is doing 270k dmg, and Wolve hit is 60k 🤔
bulls barely tickle me and Wolves CHUNK me hard
idk wtf is happening tbh
bold turret
Not at home so best I can find
bold turret
craggy pilot
oh
it doesnt show on MDT
good shout honestly
didnt know that 🤣
@strong forum do you pull wolves or nah?
obsidian path
Buuut each wolf nets more aoe
craggy pilot
are all 3 packs skippable if you run the boss into the cave during Chase? 🤔
flint kelp
If u intervene the target u dont have to run? or is that just not doable on higher keys?
limpid anchor
are all 3 packs skippable if you run the boss into the cave during Chase? 🤔
Yes but some fuck gonna pull them anyway
And then blame you
craggy pilot
If u intervene the target u dont have to run? or is that just not doable on high...
fuck that, DPS need to do mechanics
i dont wanna be the only one doing anything entire dungeon 🤣
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> do you pull wolves or nah?
We didn't pull any, no
flint kelp
i dont wanna be the only one doing anything entire dungeon 🤣
Then it sounds like a 12 wolf pull angle to me XD
craggy pilot
lol
sacred flare
What is a good talent layout for doing 15 I find myself taking alot damage and cant keep up IP
craggy pilot
What is a good talent layout for doing 15 I find myself taking alot damage and c...
show your talent
sacred flare
screenshot or wow head link?
craggy pilot
either
sacred flare
craggy pilot
We didn't pull any, no
can you skip all wolves without using Freeze Trap or anything on the right hand wolf?
craggy pilot
few things here
bloodletting kinda sucks for the amount of points you put into it...
using Shockwave as DMG CD is incredibly bad, and should be swapped for Roar
your IP being low, does not come from talents being bad though
flint kelp
Id suggest picking the IP talent instead of the deep wounds heal talent. then getting roar instead of the improved shockwave talents
analog sparrow
What are you guys making 418 first, weapon or shield?
strong forum
can you skip all wolves without using Freeze Trap or anything on the right hand ...
Yes, it's tight but yes
craggy pilot
@sacred flare this is the default build generally
craggy pilot
What are you guys making 418 first, weapon or shield?
shield
strong forum
What are you guys making 418 first, weapon or shield?
Shield
craggy pilot
Yes, it's tight but yes
hmm ok, might wanna try it out then
compact dove
can you skip all wolves without using Freeze Trap or anything on the right hand ...
Yes you can walk in the middle between those packs without pulling
craggy pilot
Yes you can walk in the middle between those packs without pulling
ye something like this i guess?
sacred flare
Isnt battering ram bad
reef holly
So after you skip all wolves, and do fenryr, hug right and kill all the bears?
strong forum
Then all bulls
craggy pilot
wolves and bulls? seems like a lot of %
is that just made up by skiping sentinels + middle pack?
reef holly
And then when you go back into the hall- skip center pack and the 2 sentinels before the escalator?
strong forum
Ye, gore
craggy pilot
or do you also skip the dragon?
reef holly
Ok got it thanks- still trying to figure out my route in there
reef holly
The sentinels are such a waste of time
craggy pilot
i need +14 more
reef holly
Maybe pull all the other guys in the hall?
craggy pilot
this one? @strong forum
strong forum
Ye
fallen lichen
How do you skip sentinels/middle pack? Just invis?
craggy pilot
isnt it horrible with the Sentinel Patrol?
strong forum
You take them to pull 5
craggy pilot
so 13-14-15 are all LOS back to #5 ?
strong forum
We did that in a triple pull, we killed the caster in pack 13,then the rest of the corridor
Yes
All LoS
craggy pilot
that sounds ultra confident lol 😄
reef holly
😂
reef holly
What about the last pack in hall on the right
deft mortar
ait
just pumping DPS in keys 20+ esp Jade Serpent rly doesnt work as a tonk
basically get forced into defensive stance
lime urchin
Only if you're mega confident
you do this with pugs?
strong forum
No
deft mortar
or have to use ignore pain too many times
lime urchin
ah yes
deft mortar
its ok to pug high keys
craggy pilot
how do you find people @strong forum ?
deft mortar
just be picky
craggy pilot
all the people i find to play with either hit a skill ceiling, or the timing just doesnt get right
and i end up being higher r.io than them
deft mortar
I had a boomie on 2nd week of raid release with 4 set in my M+ pug dude
pugs are fine xd
craggy pilot
yea but pugs are hella toxic
you will get those few mega pumpers who are just silent for 30min dung
deft mortar
ppl are just as good, just leaving happens time to time
I find leavers happen more at lower keys btw
and lower levle players
craggy pilot
yea same
strong forum
how do you find people <@192743144276623360> ?
Talking shit in discord, usually
craggy pilot
lol
whenever keys are not timed, people tend to leave fast if they are there for score
deft mortar
Did an Azure Vaults 17 and it was harder than my Azure Vault 20 run
just because ppl
The DH that died to 2nd boss orb xddxd no CR in team
5 min fight
We need a "Ready for Raiding" achi for AV 2nd boss
I miss those
autumn marsh
The affixes this week are pretty anti fun as well lol
deft mortar
Is explosive in yet?
sick sentinel
What are the 2 prefered ranking trinkets atm. Im talking defensive for m+ not tank dmg
autumn marsh
I dont think anyone is using defensive trinkets
jagged pier
there arent any
autumn marsh
Its all offense due to our already solid toolkit
craggy pilot
The affixes this week are pretty anti fun as well lol
wdym? theyre literally no issue for you as a tank
craggy pilot
What are the 2 prefered ranking trinkets atm. Im talking defensive for m+ not ta...
1st boss raid trinket
jagged pier
thats not
craggy pilot
and then any flat stat trinket
craggy pilot
it gives massive shield no?
sick sentinel
Okhund? One any good
craggy pilot
ah thought it was actually useful 😄
jagged pier
no
whole plinth
How is Ruby Whelp Shell holding up? Dropped for me yesterday
autumn marsh
Im using all totem and puzzle box atm
craggy pilot
Burgeoning Seed is quite good if you lack Defensive CDs
autumn marsh
Im waiting for my whelp shell to train before i use itr
craggy pilot
All-totem and the Stat one from raid are also good for tanking i reckon 🤷♂️
but usually tank trinkets is not something you "need"
you can tank +20 without tank trinkets easily
autumn marsh
With ignore pain you really have everything covered
jagged pier
halcyon dust
I have Heroic icon on the vault, haven't selected yet. Also have Heroic Decoration, Heroic Rumbling and 392 Nokhud Scale
sick sentinel
Alright so whelp is good shield on that one after 7 days of training it
sterile bough
a tank trinket
? 200k shies and big help with Agro can u imagine better tank trinket
strong forum
It's not a 200k shield
craggy pilot
Alright so whelp is good shield on that one after 7 days of training it
dont think whelp does shield? 🤔
spice axle
i was tracking ignore pain today in a dungeon. sometimes ignore pain amount was not going up at all. does brutal vitality gets bugged sometimes or im missing something
unkempt palm
hey all question regarding Demo Shout: I think i know the answer but would like confirmation, if i charge in demo shout > ravager . thunderous roar the demo shout damage amp wont be applied to the first tick or two of ravager and TR correct? if i wanted to min max the damage amp of demo shout i would do it after i ravager and TR? (assuming playing booming voice)
craggy pilot
Alright so whelp is good shield on that one after 7 days of training it
what are you struggling with tbh
sterile bough
So 200
strong forum
No.
strong forum
This assumes you consume 100k instantly before the wave hits
sterile bough
Its perfect for pullibg big packs
strong forum
That's almost never the case
autumn marsh
Its really not, you have much better abilities for that anyways
If you need a trinket for "big packs" you are playing wroing
sterile bough
If you need a trinket for "big packs" you are playing wroing
Sure send me clip of u pullibg all 4 packa on aa without ravager roar and avatar
eager phoenix
??
jagged pier
u said u needed the trinket for it not those cds
strong forum
Ah so now we're inventing scenarios
jagged pier
🤔
sick sentinel
Well im newly dinged 362 i know how prot works. But i like to play tank is that i like tanky as hell, like i rather sacrifice dmg for more defensive
craggy pilot
Well im newly dinged 362 i know how prot works. But i like to play tank is that ...
just get stat trinkets then
sick sentinel
May sounds really stupid to some but
craggy pilot
they do both DMG + tankiness
sterile bough
Ah so now we're inventing scenarios
No this was actually case for me for which one i changed my route
sick sentinel
Thats how i enjoy it
sterile bough
Cause after the Bird u are usually dry
autumn marsh
Sure send me clip of u pullibg all 4 packa on aa without ravager roar and avata...
You mean using the aboilities that are better for that than the trinket, like i said?
craggy pilot
Thats how i enjoy it
DMG fuels into tankiness as Warrior though, as more Rage = more Tankiness
sterile bough
You mean using the aboilities that are better for that than the trinket, like i ...
So u gonna keep cds therfore losing dmg
strong forum
They're 1.5min CDs
sterile bough
Therfore losing time
craggy pilot
and any trinket with Str on it will help keep you alive @sick sentinel
autumn marsh
Considering the all totem and the shortness of the cooldowns....
I think i have that all covered
craggy pilot
@sick sentinel do you raid, m+ or both?
strong forum
The walk from crawth to tree is a good 30seconds + gathering
autumn marsh
plus activating puzzle before pull
sterile bough
The walk from crawth to tree is a good 30seconds + gathering
Fight is usually 3:20-40
On The bird
strong forum
If you pop 1.5min CDs on a boss that is dead in 20seconds and you know that you're gonna do a quad pull, kinda on you
sick sentinel
I main hunter atm just dinged last night and i have talked some 14's its no prob with 362 ilvl gonna try and play is as an alt bit mainly m+
And some raids
strong forum
And the 300k dmg from flame isn't gonna guarantee you anything
sterile bough
Can i live the 20 sec tho?
jagged pier
yes
autumn marsh
his arguement seems to just be "you need this trinket if you are going to play prot warrior like youve been hit in the head too many times"
jagged pier
u have SB
strong forum
Living the 20sec won't come down to u using roar
gentle cipher
Any argument against macroing shield block into Shield Slam & TC?
jagged pier
Any argument against macroing shield block into Shield Slam & TC?
yes
strong forum
You'll waste SB charges if you macro them together
jagged pier
u dont do that because u will use SB when u dont want it
unkempt palm
hey all question regarding Demo Shout: I think i know the answer but would like confirmation, if i charge in demo shout > ravager . thunderous roar the demo shout damage amp wont be applied to the first tick or two of ravager and TR correct? if i wanted to min max the damage amp of demo shout i would do it after i ravager and TR? (assuming playing booming voice) please @ me if you can provide the answer thanks in advance!
sterile bough
And the 300k dmg from flame isn't gonna guarantee you anything
BIG radipua and big Agro dmg?
gentle cipher
You'll waste SB charges if you macro them together
The duration stacks though right?
flint kelp
hey all question regarding Demo Shout: I think i know the answer but would like ...
That's correct. U ravager and roar and then demo
craggy pilot
I main hunter atm just dinged last night and i have talked some 14's its no prob...
go for something like this:
Incarnate Icon
All Totem
Decoration of Flame
Hunger of the Pack
Burgeoning Seed
any trinket with Str
strong forum
The duration stacks though right?
Yes, but you want to have better agency over your SB charges than just blindly sending them on CD
sterile bough
Hows 5k dmg from Thunder clap split into 35 target good smg
autumn marsh
or wasting a trinket slot
uneven mason
Cuz it's free
It's negative cost!
gentle cipher
Yes, but you want to have better agency over your SB charges than just blindly s...
Fairly new to prot war..whats the ideal usage?
uneven mason
Cuz it's free
Also see - rend
sick sentinel
go for something like this:
Incarnate Icon
All Totem
Decoration of Flame
Hunger ...
Ty man 🙂
edgy spear
Decoration of flame is a decent hybrid option between dmg and healing. If you want dmg, there are better trinkets.
craggy pilot
Fairly new to prot war..whats the ideal usage?
use SB when actively taking melee hits
strong forum
That you'll learn, you know your timings when it's smart to hold SB
hazy sluice
Yo if I have shield 418 and weapon 418, is opening as Arms clever, so I won't get any shield or 1h weapons ?
unkempt palm
That's correct. U ravager and roar and then demo
thanks!
autumn marsh
Yo if I have shield 418 and weapon 418, is opening as Arms clever, so I won't ge...
If thats what you want then yes
strong forum
If you're set on trinkets, stay prot
craggy pilot
Yo if I have shield 418 and weapon 418, is opening as Arms clever, so I won't ge...
if you want trinkets, yes, if you want 421 shield, no
hazy sluice
Only get 418 in chest
So won't be above my ATM shield weapon
I want chest or legs so I try to reduce the lootpool
And arms doesn't get 1h or shield
autumn marsh
I need to get my tier pieces soon 😮
hazy sluice
And no crap tank trinkets
strong forum
Going back to decoration of flame
As someone else said, it's a hybrid trinket. It's neither good for a dps trinket or good for a tank trinket, it does both at a "meh" level
It's just something you'll send on CD because otherwise it loses value
sterile bough
But its perfect to help you start a pull
strong forum
Nothing particularly strong
craggy pilot
Going back to decoration of flame
As someone else said, it's a hybrid trinket. ...
it does it better than the Nokhud trinket tho i guess 😄
since the Nokhud is RNG
strong forum
That one just straight up sucks
craggy pilot
i feel like RNG dmg reduction is just bad
strong forum
There are only 2 good tank trinkets in the game
craggy pilot
on use dmg reduction way better
craggy pilot
Incarnate icon
autumn marsh
The one where you stab yourself and gain a OP shield?
jagged pier
Incarnate icon
thats not good
strong forum
Incarnate icon isn't a tank trinket
craggy pilot
but man Tree Mouth Splinter is gonna be ridiculous to farm :>
strong forum
^
craggy pilot
well with the other procs, its a ton of stats
jagged pier
its 250 crit
autumn marsh
I was upset i got all totem, now im not 😮
strong forum
All-totem is huge in m+
jagged pier
they dont always proc all at the same time
craggy pilot
they dont always proc all at the same time
oh is it range? 🤣
strange abyss
I got this funny trinket called all totem or something how good is it compared to just running whetstone and the aoe one from dathea?
marble cipher
Icon is only used to buff your party if I'm not mistaken right? For tanks, there's way better options around
jagged pier
Icon is only used to buff your party if I'm not mistaken right? For tanks, there...
yes
marble cipher
It just "enables" your party a bit more if you wanna take a minor hit on your own trinket "value"
craggy pilot
for tanks, its better to buff your party i reckon
autumn marsh
im finding puzzle box to be good with how long the telegraphs on the bosses are
craggy pilot
but if you wanna pad
edgy spear
I got this funny trinket called all totem or something how good is it compared t...
Depends what you want. If you want max dmg, whetstone and dathea all day every day. If you want something more defensive then all-totem is great
strong forum
I got this funny trinket called all totem or something how good is it compared t...
Boon is super spicy to use, can't really use it in high m+
Its better than whetstone on aoe
If I were you, outside of pad-meme keys
You run whetstone+all-totem
uneven mason
You run whetstone+all-totem
Whatstone is a myth
craggy pilot
i feel Whetstone is a bit underwhelming
coming from someone who farmed COS 60 times for it :<
icy bane
Don’t need defensive trinkets
eager phoenix
not rly, mastery is good and the on-use does dmg
sterile bough
Just run grieftorch
edgy spear
i feel Whetstone is a bit underwhelming
6.4% overall in a key is some outrageous trinket dmg
strong forum
Grieftorch is more dangerous to run because you can't block during it
halcyon dust
Overall icon is bad for keys?
craggy pilot
6.4% overall in a key is some outrageous trinket dmg
yes but no Str
lyric elm
guzzler roots you
sterile bough
Still its ST
sterile bough
So u prób wont use it in middle of pack
craggy pilot
Whetstone has fkin 500 mastery on it :<
eager phoenix
Mastery is good
edgy spear
mastery is fine and gives AP
strong forum
This helps
lyric elm
its called grieftorch because you grief your team
craggy pilot
not as good as Str
sterile bough
And if thers 1 or 2 mobs u use grieftorhc
icy bane
Done like 6 H kurog not a single all totem bro
craggy pilot
Big Toe 400 str + 1600 crit use 🤔
icy bane
Got a heroic icon with leech before I’ve seen a heroic all totem
autumn marsh
I got my all totem from the 4 mythics quest
sterile bough
Mastery is nowhere near close to str
strong forum
Overall icon is bad for keys?
Overall yes, if your group also has the dps and healer proc, it's good
Otherwise skip
craggy pilot
Ruby Whelp is also also 400 str + about 2000 haste proc on about the same uptime as Big Toe 🤔
strong forum
3k*
craggy pilot
Ruby Whelp gives 3k haste?
autumn marsh
the haste proc on it is HUGE
craggy pilot
holy shit
craggy pilot
holy shit man 😄
halcyon dust
Overall yes, if your group also has the dps and healer proc, it's good
Thank you. Heroic one is in my vault, still hasn't selected yet
lyric elm
Whelp is
autumn marsh
Im training mine to lob fireballs
craggy pilot
is whelp haste proc better than the ST though? 🤔
patent scroll
Pretty sure Icon is not group-bound anymore btw
edgy spear
Did people find out how to train whelp for haste?
sterile bough
How does the whelp even work tho..
whole plinth
Is RWS actually that good?
craggy pilot
Did people find out how to train whelp for haste?
there is WA for it
whole plinth
Sounds insane
strong forum
Pretty sure Icon is not group-bound anymore btw
It's nto, but I'm talking in the context of m+
craggy pilot
aparently you do it at the inn
icy bane
When you train it over the six days , it’s good
uneven mason
is whelp haste proc better than the ST though? 🤔
craggy pilot
Sounds insane
when you get it trained to not proc the stupid heal 😄
craggy pilot
but is heal good for a tank 🤔
strong forum
The issue is, it snapshots the healing target 1sec before it heals
autumn marsh
Im like 3-4 points in single target and 1 point in the heals and 1 in the AOE, and it just heals a lot
strong forum
I wouldn't go that far
pseudo garden
What's your fave embellishment besides lariat. I know there all about the same but what's your guys preference
strong forum
Moreso all-totem + x
craggy pilot
What's your fave embellishment besides lariat. I know there all about the same b...
Frostfire belt
for that potential ring in the future
icy bane
Just coping because no all totem yet
uneven mason
What's your fave embellishment besides lariat. I know there all about the same b...
Belt so my rings go pewpew
craggy pilot
Moreso all-totem + x
hop on the Whelp hype train Nome cmon
autumn marsh
I got the rin with the extra auto attack damage last night, that seems to be pretty nice
pseudo garden
I don't raid so that might make belt not so Gucci
whole plinth
Feels good I got lucky with trinkets then, running all-totem and blazebinder atm, and RWS dropped last night
craggy pilot
I don't raid so that might make belt not so Gucci
still its as good as the others
otherwise get the Vers wrist
pseudo garden
Vers wrist does look pretty nice. I need like 2 days of 16s and cocaine to grind 20 more craft thingies
craggy pilot
Had a 421 RWS in my vault last week
😮
how do you not take any 421 trinket like wtf 😄
edgy spear
Because I had a 424 tier helm as well
craggy pilot
424? oh from Mythic raid i guess?
sacred flare
sounds like i should upgrade my rws
edgy spear
Yeah. Dont have to kill rasz to be able to get the tier helm in vault.
Just need mythic raid vault slots
craggy pilot
sounds like i should upgrade my rws
test it out with the training, and then spend valor after
if you like it
autumn marsh
I need the valor cap to go away, its hampering the upgrades 😛
sacred flare
is the more days you train it the stroger it gets
edgy spear
is the more days you train it the stroger it gets
Yes, up to 7 days
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
is the more days you train it the stroger it gets
you specialize it in the different procs
sacred flare
can it only get one proc?
craggy pilot
right now we dont know if we want ST heal, ST dmg, or haste proc
sacred flare
ooooo that is huge
whole plinth
So what's the current opinion on speccing the whelp for M+?
Are we going 6/6 into one or picking multiple?
autumn marsh
Im going for the ST shot, 6/6 and will let you know how it goes in 3 more days
icy bane
Fire ST good, heal could be good, haste proc good
craggy pilot
right now we dont know if we want ST heal, ST dmg, or haste proc
@whole plinth
jagged pier
right now we dont know if we want ST heal, ST dmg, or haste proc
u for sure dont want heal
sacred flare
how do you un train it currenlt 2 fire 3 aoe
craggy pilot
u for sure dont want heal
if you want ultra defensive
whole plinth
So ST+haste, can't really go wrong
rough egret
Crit gang?
oak echo
how do you un train it currenlt 2 fire 3 aoe
You train in the thing you want and it'll remove points in the highest thing you have after all 6 points are assigned
rough egret
But proc stat trinks are kinda meh imho, you cant play around it
sacred flare
humm so it a bit of a pain to unlearn things
cloud solstice
Hello, Someone have WA that shows the damage that u did reflect? Had it before but rn cant find
weary saddle
loll i just got this. any good?
oak echo
Not really. You can only train 1 point a day anyways so untraining it faster doesn't gain you anything
sacred flare
i have 2 fire 3 aoe and 1 crit
icy bane
loll i just got this. any good?
It’s pretty good, crit buff good damage is ok
sacred flare
so how would i untrain the 1 crit
oak echo
What do you want the spread to be?
sacred flare
ok so it just undoes the oldest point where oyu put it
neon elk
Im curently trying to learn him aoe for m+, its so damn slow .. anyone got any idea wheter or not its even worth trying? xd
whole plinth
"If you fully train your whelp and then re-train it in a different mode, the highest current mode will lose 1, and your new mode will gain that point."
That's what wowhead says
whole plinth
i have 2 fire 3 aoe and 1 crit
So if you would get one more into aoe it sounds like it would take from fire?
sacred flare
how would you ever git rid of one point then
whole plinth
going 6/6 into one and then start to spec into the 2nd you want
sacred flare
i meens i guess oyu could
craggy pilot
loll i just got this. any good?
its quite good yes, Str good, Crit proc good
pseudo garden
Would ruby ever replace my whetstone tho. It does SOOO much dmg
jagged pier
no
icy bane
Prolly not
sacred flare
I like complicated trinkets but also dont at the same time
given how it reads haste or crit is kinda bad
like getting the stat to proc not the actually stat
weary saddle
its hilarious, i click on the big toe trinket, and my toon pukes black bile
sacred flare
or doe sit just proc and not require the same things like less than 3 enemies to do fireball
stark isle
hey guys dont talk much here but soak up as much knowledge as I can. Im noticing folks are going more and more into crit now. What level haste should we have before pursuing crit?
pulsar light
Quick question, does spell block automatically block spells while active or do you need to use shield block in conjunction
stark isle
auto blocks
pulsar light
Awesome thanks
lofty widget
you need shield block up if you want 100 % chance to block spells
pulsar light
Oh do you, ok
stark isle
im sorry i read that as spell reflect
pulsar light
Was going to test later today but figured I'd just ask here
autumn marsh
SPell block is very powerful when used correctly
pseudo garden
This may sound stupid but the double food buff embellishment doesn't count for the 2 ??
sacred flare
This may sound stupid but the double food buff embellishment doesn't count for t...
does not count as one
pseudo garden
Is thT going to get fixed?🤣fuck me gonna add that when I get home
pulsar light
Anyone have a macro with /cast spell block and /cast shield block if shield block isn't active
Forget the syntax needed
uneven mason
Anyone have a macro with /cast spell block and /cast shield block if shield bloc...
Can't check for non state buffs iirc
jagged pier
hey guys dont talk much here but soak up as much knowledge as I can. Im noticing...
40% unbuffed
fluid shard
would you say Fortified is harder than Tyrannical this season?
pseudo garden
I like tyrannical but I do 16 to 18s
uneven mason
would you say Fortified is harder than Tyrannical this season?
Depends on the dungeon
Like hov trash is nasty
neon elk
Like hov trash is nasty
Hov is nasty trash , imo ,regardles of week
uneven mason
That's my point TJs as well
warm plinth
Anyone have a macro with /cast spell block and /cast shield block if shield bloc...
That's not possible. The things you can have macros check for is a very small list that does not include buffs.
pulsar light
Ok thanks
uneven mason
But tjs is probably harder on tyrannical
spice axle
does one-handed weapon talent increase your entire damage by 5% or just the melee attacks?
uneven mason
Because the damage the 3rd boss puts out
warm plinth
does one-handed weapon talent increase your entire damage by 5% or just the mele...
All damage
fluid shard
i feel like that 3rd boss, once you've figured your rotation, it's hella simple
warm plinth
Yeah the real hard part of that fight is getting dps to hold off until 70%
fluid shard
just like Kokia, once you've done a few reps, also very techy
uneven mason
i feel like that 3rd boss, once you've figured your rotation, it's hella simple
Yeah but if you miss a cd on jss she can flatten you
pseudo garden
Yeah try explaining to pugs to hold cds until green phase and push her to dragon fast lol
strong forum
That should become standard practice, everybody has to do it
uneven mason
I mean all the bosses come down to knowing what they're going to do
marble cipher
Like hov trash is nasty
a lot, and I do mean A LOT of tank hits on HoV trash can be 100% avoided though, makes that instance way easier.
(not saying it's an easy dungeon mind you)