protection

[rose oar]

in my head

there is 4 ppl in m+

but way more in raid

miss something in m+ is ok

but in raid

[warm plinth]

Tanking in raid is generally kind of a snoozefest. Besides, there's also a lot more people who can fuck things up who aren't you.

[steady steppe]

It's not hard at all if u just play correctly

It only starts to get hard when ur tanking hc brood imo

Everything else is a joke

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/btUaP.gif

[steady steppe]

I never raided before cause I started in s3 SL

But now I've been pugging 7/8H and I can do everything easily

[simple bronze]

Is the wowhead guide to bis trinkets valid? Blazebinder's Hoof and Granyth's Enduring Scale are top picks?

[torpid fiber]

Aka tank swap at x amount of stacks of renamed tank buster ability for 90 percent of fights

[mighty valley]

i think you're oversimplifying. sometimes there's an add too

[urban portal]

Dbm alone can get you to aotc

Sometimes last boss can be a bit tough

[mighty valley]

razzy doesn't seem to be a denathrius-level tankfucker tho

[warm plinth]

No, definitely not. Hoof is a solid trinket, but scale is nowhere near a top pick. It's not bad, but there's a ton of better trinkets.

[simple bronze]

I have a Ruby Whelp Shell, Bonemaw's Big Toe, Dragon Games Equipment, Horn of Valor, Rumbling Ruby, Decoration of Flame, and Spiteful Storm

Trying to come up with the best combo is driving me mad

[warm plinth]

Depends on ilevel but Ruby Whelp Shell is really good once you've trained it properly. Horn is fine. Rumbling Ruby is decent in M+. Decoration of Flame is decent. Spiteful was really strong but it got fixed; not sure how it's performing now. Big Toe is alright.

DGE is actually fine but most people don't like using it

[atomic laurel]

you'd recommend pumping the ring to 415, over pumping the weapon any higher? @strong forum

[simple bronze]

Thanks, appreciate it. I had no idea the Ruby Whelp training was so extensive, thought it was just stats, damage, or healing.

[strong forum]

how many sparks do you have

[warm plinth]

Easiest way to do it is just go to the single target dummy in valdrakken every day and use it on that

[strong forum]

if you dont have any, then upgrade weapon yes

[warm plinth]

You probably don't want to use Ruby right away until you've trained it though; it's very meh until you've trained it

[strong forum]

spiteful storm + decoration or horn of valor

spiteful storm does good dmg ever since they fixed it

[warm plinth]

After the fix to the funky ICD shenanigans?

[strong forum]

they fixed the fact that you could bug abuse it

[warm plinth]

Ok just making sure you were referring to after that and not before

[strong forum]

its still 3k dps without abuse

[vocal nimbus]

what do you guys train the whelp for? stat buff?

[strong forum]

with abuse it was 5k dps

for now the only data we have is Fireshot very good

[warm plinth]

ST fire is the strongest probably?

And it's very strong

[atomic laurel]

yeah 0 sparks, and the weapon is haste, vers, 408

[steady steppe]

Can u reset the whelping after u trained it

[simple bronze]

For mythic + even?

[atomic laurel]

well 1 spark, but Im gonna use it on shield

[urban portal]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

You can't reset it, but training a new thing will take a stack from the old trainings and put it to the new one

[urban portal]

If you train it in another stat the highest stat drops

So it’s not permanent

[warm plinth]

So just train it for 7 days on a new thing and it'll "reset" it

I'm training mine for the aoe fire just because I want to see how it does

And it's only 372 so I'm probably replacing it at some point anyway

[strong forum]

we cant conclusively say if the 16% uptime on 30% haste/25% crit is better than fireshot dmg

yet

[vocal nimbus]

how do you train for haste tho

[urban portal]

I believe flat damage on tanks will almost always sim better in st

[strong forum]

that we're working on

so far it seems that you get haste buff

if you train it with 3 friendly targets around you, and you use it on yourself

[warm plinth]

Doing the testing for this thing has to be ass with how long the CD on it is

[strong forum]

thats why we have like 400 people

doing it on PTR

[warm plinth]

XD

[strong forum]

and spam copy/paste their character

to figure out the parameters to get X proc

and also provide logs

[warm plinth]

that's good then; I don't feel guilty about not doing it now 😂

[simple bronze]

there's a guide on wowhead posted yesterday on how to train the whelp, looks like there's a haste buff target in valdrakken inn

[strong forum]

that yes that post is from my group

but we need more data to fully figure it out

[weary python]

Like all my gear is Haste Crit/ Vers, where is all of this mastery coming from muh gawd

[strong forum]

you get more % for less points

thats just normal

you have 12% or 8% ,cant remember, mastery baseline with 0

if you get 1k mastery youll be at like 21% mastery

[weary python]

I guess my seal of filial duty is doing it with it's 900 mastery.

[simple bronze]

oh yeah I just targeted that mote and got sleepy ruby warmth instead of under red wings

[warm plinth]

RIP

[strong forum]

yup, you need 2 or 3 friendlies around you

to get haste buff from it

[light moth]

Hello guys, one thing... I have problems with jade-serpent-strike in jade temple, any recommendations on that boss?

[warm plinth]

sadge for jiggawatts

[warm plinth]

See the first pin

[strong forum]

lust at 70%, kill the boss before it kills you, rotate CDs, get healed by your healer ALOT, dont overlap large CDs

[light moth]

thanks!

[spice radish]

or invite an enha shaman to heal it off you

[strong forum]

ya AG is huge

[spice radish]

no ag

[strong forum]

que?

[spice radish]

healing surge

[strong forum]

does it heal that much?

ive not had the luxury of an enha so idk

[spice radish]

not sure 100% how it works, but yeah, im letting him know when i need healing

and he just

isntantly removes

the whole absorb off me

[strong forum]

he can use maelstrom to send an insta one

[warm plinth]

I think you get increased healing/reduced cast time for maelstrom stacks?

[strong forum]

so i guess it slaps

[spice radish]

yeah

[strong forum]

ya OK its decently large

[spice radish]

EZ enha

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna hit some target dummies for a while, but I have a question. I'm reading through the rotation priority list on wowhead, and looking at the openers. Should I be weaving SS and the like in between the CDs on the opener (looking mostly at aoe) or do I just ignore it until I'm finished with the opener?

Looking at this specifically

[strong forum]

ravager > demo > roar > sc > rotation

[warm plinth]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

if youre gathering the pull you obv start with TC and revenge

until everything is gathered

then ravager etc

[warm plinth]

On those situations, would you hold off on demo shout until you could make sure the CDs were inside it?

[strong forum]

for dps, yes

[warm plinth]

OIr still just send it

Ok

[strong forum]

and SS remains pretty much highest prio after that

more rage = good

[high drum]

demo on pull is really dangerous

because it does no therat

[strong forum]

not on pull

[high drum]

so thats why you should do what nome says

and tc revenge first

[strong forum]

ye

[high drum]

i think its ok to avatar the first tc tho

because you still get avatar for the full demo

[strong forum]

yes you dont hold onto avatar

[high drum]

but might not be optimal i dunno

[weary python]

Having a hard time deciding on what to use my spark on at this point. Lariat 418/ FF belt 418/ Shield 418. Both embellishments are used up. Lowest ilevel slots for a non-embellished craft is: 402 helm, 392 shoulders, 395 chest, 402 bracers, 411 weapon, 405 gloves. I'm leaning into bracers, because I'm only 3/4 tier, but don't really want to mess with what I have in those slots. Weapon going from 411 > 418 is appealing.

Also sort of considering the Haste alchemist stone that proc's strength, seems like it might be decent, but is probably a trap. I run grieftorch/ rumbling ruby in M+ and swap the ruby out for decoration of flame in raid.

[strong forum]

weapon

its by far the largest uprgade you can have next to shield

[high drum]

haste alch is unusable for you if youhave grieftorch and are the designated whisperer

because grieftorch is insane in raid

and whispering incarnate on 1 tank is the highest dps trinket slot you have

(overall)

[strong forum]

tell that to @ionic ferns raid

[high drum]

they dont have a tank with one?

[strong forum]

nop, and they wont give him one

[high drum]

what the fuck

[strong forum]

until half the dps have it

[high drum]

even the dps should be mad at that

[strong forum]

cuz they are too dumb to sim properly

[mighty valley]

that must be torture

[high drum]

its not really torture for the tank

cos it doesnt affect personal dps that much

but overall its really dumb

[warm plinth]

Oh, you're talking about icon

[high drum]

yea

[warm plinth]

I was like wdym grieftorch doesn't affect personal dps that much

[high drum]

even grieftorch on tank is good raid dps too

tbh

cos tanks never die and its just so good on those close pulls

[warm plinth]

yeah

[high drum]

last 10% tank just spammin

[ionic fern]

Still hurts. 😂

[warm plinth]

Is armor spikes embellishment not set to auto-proc in sims like tough as nails is?

[strong forum]

it procs off of being meleed

[warm plinth]

It's not showing on my sim breakdown

[strong forum]

you get meleed in sim

maybe its not implemented

[weary python]

Yeah I don't have a whispering incarnate

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I meant, like you'd think both would proc if one does but armor spikes doesn't seem to. sadge. Oh well

[high drum]

oh im dumb, misread

[weary python]

Yeah just a decoration of flame is what I usually swap the rumbling ruby out in raid. Maybe this week will be better

[sick sentinel]

is this decent

[weary python]

Haste is #1 until at least 33% when diminishing returns kicks in, and even then it's a sim it situation right?

[warm plinth]

Diminishing returns kicks in before 33%, and it's still #1 past that point

The first level of DR kicks in at 30% from rating

[untold adder]

ok so guys

[high drum]

i think its really good

[untold adder]

i have the crafted 1h sword and just got a strike twice. so what is best; a ilvl 418 crafted sword, or 415 Strike Twice

[sick sentinel]

how often does the stack accumulate

[warm plinth]

If you for some reason needed more health to survive something, then I guess it would be okay. It's pretty crap generally though.

[sick sentinel]

in M+

[high drum]

not super often, but even having 2-3 its a big defensive

[sick sentinel]

i already have decoration tho

[warm plinth]

It's 2ppm, so using it on CD is approximately 1 stack each time, which is just over 1% DR.

[sick sentinel]

tee why

[warm plinth]

Sim it, but probably the crafted sword, especially in AoE

pog

[untold adder]

lol i didnt know that was a thing

so many ravagers wasted

[sick sentinel]

not ravagers

tc

[strong forum]

haste DR kicks in at 30% for 10% tax
and 40% for 20% tax

[sick sentinel]

you cant even hit it with thunderclap unless youre on edge

[strong forum]

yeah that one is HUGE

[weary python]

Cool cool, ty

[untold adder]

thats even worse!

[warm plinth]

we get to do damage on the fight now without being on the ledge

[sick sentinel]

i think demo lock have to switch to imp because their felguard cant hit it

also ww monk cant hit it with fist of fury and whatever that hadoken stuff is called

[warm plinth]

But now...now they can, and it's going to be beautiful.

[weary python]

Is there a list of first to drop talents anywhere? I know heroic Rasz requires quite a few talent swaps for different things compared to the standard raid build.

[lapis summit]

In y'all's opinion, what m+ level is appropriate for a 400 ilvl prot war (2.1k io if that matters). I was running an 18 with some guildies last night and they mentioned I should be around 410 for an 18 so that got me wondering.

[untold adder]

eh

[zinc veldt]

why my spell block skill doesnt work at temple sometimes?

[strong forum]

with 400 you can run up to whatever your group is capable of

like 23s 24s

[untold adder]

yea pretty much

[strong forum]

vs what

gotta be a bit more specific

[tropic tangle]

sounds like your guildies are trying to cover their own skill gap with gear

[warm plinth]

410 for an 18 🤔 wtf lol

[zinc veldt]

haunting gaze

[untold adder]

unless you run in and instantly die, or your healer tells you that she spends 1000% more time keeping you up than any other tanks, you are not the bottleneck

[warm plinth]

People were doing 20s week 1 with 380 gear

[strong forum]

you sure you faced the enemy?

its a 20yd frontal

[zinc veldt]

and spell works for 20 sec right every hit goes to block?

[lapis summit]

Ok that's good to hear. I've been running 17/18 with little to no problems and no complaints from healers thus far

[strong forum]

maybe you had your back turned

[zinc veldt]

like dark claw and haunting gaze

[warm plinth]

You still need shield block active to guarantee blocking

[strong forum]

they are 100% spell blockable

yeah you need SB up aswell

[zinc veldt]

what do u mean

[strong forum]

to guarantee the block chance

[zinc veldt]

ohh

[warm plinth]

Spell block just enables you to block spells

[zinc veldt]

how

[strong forum]

wdym how

[warm plinth]

It doesn't make you block 100% of the time

[zinc veldt]

lol

[untold adder]

Spell block means you can block spells

[zinc veldt]

not %100 okey

[untold adder]

same rules as all other blicking

[warm plinth]

So you need to have shield block up too

[zinc veldt]

ty ty ty

[untold adder]

Who doesnt have Shield block up 100% of the time though?

[zinc veldt]

i have it

[warm plinth]

Would be weird to not have shield block up on those packs anyway because they're already dangerous 👀

[uneven mason]

#1 rule of prot, Press Your Fucking Buttons

[untold adder]

the last pack before sha i pull, get giga agro, enjoy a few AOE stuns, and then i run the fuck out and kite like it was SL season 1

then i ONLY jump back in when spell reflect is up and then im out again kek

100% success rate so far

[uneven mason]

Bfa season 1, looking at you zul

[untold adder]

plz no i have ptsd

[long stone]

Ruby Welp trinket now good for us after its final empowered?

[untold adder]

always has been, now its even better

[long stone]

"always" ,, besides raid trinkets u know?

[uneven mason]

Is big adorable

Y so many people surprised

[warm plinth]

I mean...it was not good before unless you just accidentally trained it properly.

[strong forum]

some evidence suggests it can compete with raid trinkets

but we still need more data

[warm plinth]

Like this is mine currently with 3 trainings over almost 8 minutes of hitting dummies

NOt particularly impressive

[strong forum]

its bugged on dummies

[warm plinth]

How so

[long stone]

thought its bugged on dummies?

[strong forum]

it doesnt respect the weightings

[warm plinth]

Ah, my bad then

[strong forum]

my 372 whelpling did 1k dps on HC first boss

with 6/6 fireshot

[uneven mason]

That fireshot slaps

[warm plinth]

Yeah my point was just that if it's not trained, it isn't that great

[strong forum]

buddy of mine has had up to 5k dps from his 421 whelp shell

on raidbosses

with 6fireshot

[uneven mason]

Thinking for m+ the crit stack is probably bis

[zinc veldt]

ty for the spell block info

i thought its %100

xD

[strong forum]

the haste one grants more stats currently

[uneven mason]

But CRIT

[strong forum]

its like 20% haste with 16% uptime

[warm plinth]

I'm just imagining how chaotic those pulls were for you

[zinc veldt]

yeah they fcking were

now i understood how to do them

[warm plinth]

WHY ISN'T IT BLOCKING 😠

😂

[zinc veldt]

yeah

dude

exactly

xD

[weary python]

I'd have no idea how to figure out how Ruby fits into the trinkets I have and what to replace it with. Does simc even calculate it properly?

[long stone]

what were :D? link?

[uneven mason]

Literally why wouldn't you have block in the first place

[rough solar]

4-set worth dropping 9 ilvls for?

[uneven mason]

No

[strong forum]

uuh yeh

if its just 1 item

absolutely

[uneven mason]

Like on one piece

Or overall

[strong forum]

to drop 9ilvl overall youd need to downgrade 9x 13ilvl on gear

so i very much doubt its overall

[uneven mason]

True

[fallen pulsar]

just crossed 2300 io 😄 only 200 more to go

[warm plinth]

Congrats friend

[uneven mason]

Like some dude replacing 3 418s with lfr tier

[untold adder]

gj bruh

[fallen pulsar]

ty ty 🙂

[warm plinth]

Meanwhile, on my warrior

[fallen pulsar]

[strong forum]

im dropping 23ilvl on gloves and 13ilvl on pants currently

to get 4pc

defensively its absolutely worth

[weary python]

Do you notice the 4pc in the moment, or is it just kind of something you really only notice on logs?

[strong forum]

you dont notice-notice it

but it does fuckloads of trickle mitigation

like 1 revenge in aoe is like a 10k absorb for free

maybe more

[untold adder]

do you go brutal vitality when you have 4p just for the hell of it?

[warm plinth]

I'm just gonna be vulpera instead

[strong forum]

absolutely

[warm plinth]

This is a fun out of context screenshot

[chilly brook]

Is it out of context though

Nom is/was a vulpera

[spark patrol]

Yes, but not for the hell of it - brutal vitality quadruples the value of your 4 set.

[strong forum]

^

[warm plinth]

He is dwarf now

master race

[chilly brook]

Ah so was

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera is great tank race

[strong forum]

ive always been dwarf, but i got forced into horde in BFA

[chilly brook]

Vulpera is a mistake

[warm plinth]

D:

[chilly brook]

Should be deleted from the game

[warm plinth]

My war was originally vulpera, but I'm troll rn

[toxic pewter]

Their racials just such a great package

[chilly brook]

No furries or scalies please

[median tulip]

Dwarves were a mistake

[lunar delta]

is there a haste % cap where i should i stop and focus on other stats? currently at 30% unbuffed

[strong forum]

40% unbuffed

[median tulip]

(This is literally true, Lore-wise)

[lunar delta]

jesus 40% lol ok

[chilly brook]

So were humans and elves

[warm plinth]

Haste stronk

[median tulip]

40% unbuffed and without Into the Fray

[strong forum]

^^

[lunar delta]

got you

[strong forum]

thats kinda what unbuffed implies

[lunar delta]

getting haste on AA then

[median tulip]

Eh, some people aren't gonna think of talents as burff, so it's best to state it explicitly

[warm plinth]

So I ran titanic throw (just memeing) in a TJS and let me just say, the spread range on that ability is insane

I used it to pull the last pack before last boss and targeted the right-most mob and it hit all 5 😂

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[warm plinth]

Also, fun fact, it doesn't care if mobs are CCed. Learned that the hard way.

[spice orbit]

what do you take out for intervene on hov?

[warm plinth]

uh, depends on what your talents currently look like

[pallid quiver]

I generally give up bounding stride

[onyx pike]

what in your opinion is best for m+? Whetstone is a nobrainer

[spice orbit]

sidearm maybe?

[oblique kayak]

also pulled so much shit i don’t intended auth. it

[prisma crane]

you dont need that revenge talent at all

[warm plinth]

Barbaric Training is kinda sus. But yeah you could drop sidearm

[prisma crane]

yea BT

[toxic pewter]

I would drop BT also

[median tulip]

What's the 415?

[analog sparrow]

quick lariat question, I know it procs the smaller stat of the gems you put in, but if you have different gems, can it proc from any of them or only the top socket?

or bottom socket for that matter

[warm plinth]

Any of them

[chilly brook]

Isn’t the second one the super broken absorb trinket from raid?

[analog sparrow]

cool ty

yeah thats the decoration for flame

of*

[prisma crane]

second on the right is, yea

[chilly brook]

That would be my recommendation

Does too much damage to not use tbh

[shell cosmos]

should i upgrade my shield or lariat first

to 418

[mighty valley]

shield

[shell cosmos]

already did weapon

[mighty valley]

probably should've done shield before weapon lmao

if you're doing m+ anyway

[shell cosmos]

i have the haste verse shield

not proc

does that matter

[mighty valley]

no

shield of the hearth isn't special

[shell cosmos]

alrighty

[unreal sage]

Does fire dmg belt is worth to craft without ring?

[flint grove]

yes

[autumn urchin]

only if you plan to get the ring

[unreal sage]

I tried spikes but it was like 0.9% dmg overall

[unreal sage]

Ofc im

[sick sentinel]

Theya re all around 1 percent

[unreal sage]

But rng is rng

[autumn urchin]

yeah dont expect it to do anything without it

as long as you understand that u can do it

[jagged pier]

brah belt is one of the best embleishments even without ring

[unreal sage]

Gr8

Lariant+belt i guess

[jagged pier]

thats what i have

[unreal sage]

I also have spark shield

Got Łuck with weapon from vault So 411weapon is ok

So i guess im going to craft belt

How much dmg is it doing?

[autumn urchin]

1%

[tulip kelp]

like 10-20% of damage each key

[jagged pier]

i think u need to divide by 10 there

but my point is spikes is .9% in like keys doesnt so much in ST from what i know

[unreal sage]

Aight 😅

[jagged pier]

belt is a solid

1-2%

always

[unreal sage]

Still double as much

And another high ilvl item

Crafting is bad ass this patch

I mean profesion are

Great changes

[uneven mason]

Belt so you can proc pewpew rings

[long stone]

So ruby whelp - firebolt? or AoE?

or Haste , crit? 😄

[uneven mason]

We don't know yet

Need more logs

But I like crit

[prisma crane]

i agree, i think the profession system could still use some tweaks, but overall i think it's amazing

[bold turret]

Is ruby defo good? Like should I restore my 405?

[prisma crane]

looking likely

[mighty valley]

man i never trash trinkets

most likely items to get patched

[bold turret]

Ok Ty

[uneven mason]

Right

[prisma crane]

even ?

[mighty valley]

it never dropped for me luckily. but sure, i'd probably throw it in the bank, who knows what could happen

[prisma crane]

i generally keep all trinkets that are on the fence, but anything below that i line i dump

[uneven mason]

I held one for S1 out of a desperate hope

[prisma crane]

and well im an enchanter so i'd rather have the crystal, esp now

[nimble laurel]

What's the thought on taking 1 stack of Bloodborne for m+ over Punish? It is showing as an extremely minor dps gain, but is it really worth losing the ST damage reduction?

[prisma crane]

depends on the dungeon, but you also lose the SS dmg, which is a lot

[mighty valley]

enchanting changes things a bit, but for me i'm paying the cost of a tiny amount of gold for the chance that they're like "oops totally fucked the math on that one, it's good now"

[prisma crane]

and, imo, the best dungeon for the bleed dmg AA, is one where you want punish

[nimble laurel]

Also true. When I simmed to compare the talents, I did 5 targets 1 min to emulate trash.

[prisma crane]

yea, but that's what item restore is for 🙂

[mighty valley]

that's soooooooooo much effort

i struggle to remember to feed myself, i'm supposed to go to a web site now?

[prisma crane]

once every like 8 months to a year hasnt been too bad for me

[prisma crane]

dont forget that recently there's a lot of trash where one mob has more HP anyways, so having the bit extra ST may not be more overall dmg, but its more useful dmg

[nimble laurel]

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not pushing for the Bloodborne talent. I'm trying to understand why some of the top-tier prot warriors are using it.

[prisma crane]

because its mega damage

in the right scenarios

[mighty valley]

i'd have to have zero fear of boss damage and to feel like total trash dps was the only thing holding back timing the key level to drop punish

[nimble laurel]

i.e. super large 10+ pulls, in your mind?

[prisma crane]

yea the more targets the better it is

which is why AA is so solid for it

[mighty valley]

pulls need to be ENORMOUS for bloodborne to break like, 1% overall dps per point

[prisma crane]

but you're risking crawth fuckin you harder

[mighty valley]

^^

clearing plants harder is no longer a bottleneck in that dungeon tbh

your and your healer having a heart attack and dying is more likely

[prisma crane]

yea, but those top groups do all pulls there in double+ packs at a time

[nimble laurel]

yeah, with 5 targets 1 min sim, Bloodborne is literally 2.4k dps more (135k vs 133k). That's so minor.

[mighty valley]

if you're a tip top pusher, optimizing everything, sure

but dropping 3-6% DR is unlikely to be the play for most players

[nimble laurel]

Agreed

[lusty tiger]

This fight still sucks

1 ad phase then 5mil+ damage 🥱

[fallen pulsar]

would you guys valor a blazebinder hoof?

just got one at 402

[lusty tiger]

Would ensure your shield and weapon are maxed first- at least until the valor cap is removed

[proud dock]

415+ rings replace cobalt rings, right?

[mighty valley]

bonemaw is alright if everyone comes into melee range

and it's not volcanic

[fallen pulsar]

got a 418 weapon and a 415 shield I could recraft to 418

[mighty valley]

just an old boring fight like most of the pre-m+ dungeon bosses

[fallen pulsar]

at this point I'd probably need a vault drop for better wep and shield

[lusty tiger]

Then probably dump on your trinket- can also sim ^^

Iirc you can gear compare different ilvl

[fallen pulsar]

roger

[uneven mason]

I'm imagining a world where I've gotten a m+ weapon

[lusty tiger]

Me- but longing for a shield

[nimble laurel]

I would not. There are better trinket options. Whetstone and Rumbling Ruby as an example.

[lusty tiger]

My 399 piece of crap is a piece of crap

[mighty valley]

i have... a normal raid weapon...

[uneven mason]

379 here I haven't crafted one out of hope

[lusty tiger]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Pain

[uneven mason]

Doesn't help I haven't been able to run keys at all this week

[mighty valley]

if i don't get one before the next spark that's where it's going for sure

[uneven mason]

I should just craft the hammer

[cinder storm]

Don't think its possible but is there an addon or wa that can tell you if someone has tier?

rio sometimes is slow opening a new page

[nimble laurel]

like people that are apping to your keys?

[cinder storm]

yeah

[nimble laurel]

I don't believe that data is accessible in game if they are not in your group

[mighty valley]

be nice

[cinder storm]

I keep finding people who do like 55k 60k dps, and even when I check them out, they seem to have everything there to do dps, yet they dont

[sharp bone]

if they dont do dps without tier they wont do much more with it tbh

[cinder storm]

ikr, I wasted the first two weeks helping friends gear and now that I want to push people on 18s-19s are simply a coin toss

Yeah, and the dps I know that are around 2600-2800 are bored and dont want to play anymore, they burnt out

[uneven mason]

I was supposed to have a team this season and 2 of them fd off after the first week and then a 3rd has crippling anxiety or something past +9

Thundering happens and he freaks out and can't seem to do the mechanic

[zinc veldt]

Okey any suggestions about tanking stormshield mobs at nokhud?

[flint grove]

got a 405 granyth enduring scale, worth replacing my 408 totem with for 19s M+? NORMALLY i'd sim but since its a defensive trinket not really a thing

[zinc veldt]

nope

[uneven mason]

The dudes at 2nd bosd

[hardy ridge]

Its not that good defensively, its like 1ppm

[flint grove]

Sounds good mate thanks for the response, just got it going straight into another key so didnt have time

[zinc veldt]

yes

[hardy ridge]

You can consider it more of a dps trinket

[flint grove]

ok

ty ty

[sick sentinel]

how are you supposed to "pull dragon" flame gullet alone

group that just disbanded was saying this

[hardy ridge]

You dont pull it

[uneven mason]

You ask your group to dispell them, purge, consume magic, spellsteal tranq shot

[analog sparrow]

Like skip it all together? Is that possible?

[slim dove]

Pulling flame gullet on fort weeks is troll as fuck

[noble sapphire]

i dont pull flame gullet even on tyranical

[lean zephyr]

ya fire dragon is always a no go for me

[tame coral]

When do people run Into the Fray over Heavy Repercussions in M+? I read that 40% haste unbuffed is the break point but hitting 40% seems unrealistic

[analog sparrow]

Damn good to know! Thanks guys

[tame coral]

does anyone know the dps increase from running it?

or I guess I can just sim that

[noble sapphire]

based on # of units you expect to be near you most of the time

you dont want gaps in shield block if possible

[tame coral]

at 22% haste and mixing in shield charge, I get about 75% uptime, which isn't great

[obsidian path]

HR allows you to not think about uptime

[tame coral]

right but I think my tank dam is on the lower end so I'm trying to make some adjustments

[analog sparrow]

Does anyone have some logs I can look into? 15-17ish keys. I saw someone say that tclap is their highest dmg but mine is consistently shield block. Just wanna compare and see where I'm leaving dmg on the table

[obsidian path]

Damage comes and goes with ease of play

[dusk hinge]

close call

https://gyazo.com/69161524ac9ee214fb5d9b4995b33039

[nimble laurel]

doing 57k overall right now in a NO 19

[lean zephyr]

not even close, easy key

[dusk hinge]

was a 20 TJS

XD

[analog sparrow]

Boss. Do you have logs on wcl I can search?

[tame coral]

can you link talents? wanna see how mine differ

[dusk hinge]

ye maybe ^^

[tame coral]

cuz my top dam is always shield slam as well

I think so let me see

[lean zephyr]

pump those SR numbers

did this in a 21 nok

[obsidian path]

You might pull much less at the same time

[prisma crane]

you use outburst on TC when doing large packs

[tame coral]

is this just abusing wind blast from elemental boss lol

[prisma crane]

that's how TC gets so large

[obsidian path]

Last boss spear too

[lean zephyr]

wind blast, squalls, and last boss

[tame coral]

ah right

[analog sparrow]

That's on 5+ correct?

[prisma crane]

and yea SR carries P2 of last boss, its insane

[prisma crane]

idk the number, but its a no brainer when there's a lot of adds

[tame coral]

here's an 18 TJS I timed, but I built much more offensively https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AZ3wYMkC6PgFVGa9#fight=1

I had a 17 HoV timed which I was looking at logs before, but don't see them now

[nimble laurel]

you're right

[nimble laurel]

Sorry, I do not. I keep forgetting to turn it on, so thanks for the reminder.

[dusk hinge]

atleast I hit a 420k SR in TJS20+ xD

[tame coral]

that was my first time playing into the fray so I probably overcapped shield block and shield charge

[tame coral]

dang this is what I normally run, but sidearm swapped with intimidating shout but you pumped way higher

[analog marlin]

question - thoughts on running normal whisp encarn + heroic decflame vs 411 granyth + heroic dec?
tryign to decide if worth upgrading my granyth. Trying to start pushing 18-20 m+

[lean zephyr]

i would do the former

[analog marlin]

icon and dec?

[lean zephyr]

ye

[analog marlin]

whats the thought process there just trying to understand the big advantage to using icon

[prisma crane]

when you get coordinated it's not too hard to do large trash pulls

[lean zephyr]

for me, its that i dont really need a tank/shielding trinket and the vers + main stat is more valulable

[tame coral]

what's ur ilvl

[lean zephyr]

• extra stats if dps have it too

never really see a healer run it in keys yet

[fluid shard]

what's the strat there, you back bedal out of range with SR on?

[nimble laurel]

410

[fluid shard]

for wind blast?

[lean zephyr]

ye, start pull with taunt -> sr immediately -> right when u see the cast go off charge back in

and repeat whenever sr is off cd

[fluid shard]

smart!

[lean zephyr]

you cant take 2 windblasts tho sicne the second one wont get reflected ofc, so hop back in right away

[lusty narwhal]

So apparently ruby whelp shell is a really good trinket but you have to train it every day for a week?

[cinder storm]

yea

[tame coral]

lmao what

[cinder storm]

train your garumon to evolve it to wargreymon

[lusty narwhal]

i gave up a 421 whelp shell in my vault

-_-

[hardy ridge]

SHEEESH

[lusty narwhal]

im actually so annoyed lol

i took a fucking 418 cloak

[fluid shard]

and for spear last boss you just stay in the thing when you get pulled in?

[autumn urchin]

no its one of his casts

[lean zephyr]

oh nah, you reflect the conductive/thunder strike

[proper orbit]

just spell reflect conductive strike

[fluid shard]

gotcha

[tame coral]

on AA, do you run double shield wall over reduced shield wall on shield slam?

[lean zephyr]

for the spear thing, i just put a marker down behind the rock on the left and they drop it there and the boss just rams into the rock

[coarse flower]

Wasn’t the shell trinket in that article comparing a heroic grief torch vs a 421shell?

Also isn’t the shell body pulling stuff in keys

[nimble laurel]

No, I don't. But I'm not advocating that not running it is better. I haven't really experimented with it.

[tame coral]

Crawth was ass blasting me, found it so hard to live even cycling all my defensives on an 18

[cinder storm]

next week people will have more data, best to hold judgement til then

[lean zephyr]

dunno if this is the best way to do it, but this is what i do and i feel generally fine?

[coarse flower]

Do you have an evoker healer and are you a dwarf? Can rotate those 1 and 2 min bleed clears to drop peck debuff

[lean zephyr]

neither

[tame coral]

ah that makes sense, I was just spamming demo on CD and using avatar and ravager as a rage generator to spam ignore pain 😂

[coarse flower]

Also I’m probably trolling but I’ve been just using defensives on peck instead and just SR and swapping to DSTANCE on peck bleed and screech

[tame coral]

oh part of my damage problem is probably cuz I generally sit in D stance

[lean zephyr]

ya i sw the screech and it will cover the peck generally, except the 3rd screech so i last stand it

i based it on like 1 20aa i did and this is how the casts went, and then since then ive just done it like that

probably should go back and look at it again tho

[lofty widget]

screech isnt really an issue for us tbh

shouldnt use defensives on that

[lean zephyr]

ya it was just the sketchy part for me and where my health dropped the most, specifically the 3rd/4th screech

thats why i sw and ls stand during tho since it covers the peck

[cinder storm]

4th screech is always sketchy

[coarse flower]

Will make Vexamus the only check

[lean zephyr]

its just a rotation i thought of based off of literally one key and never looked back at it. pretty much looked at my hp drop and they were all during the screeches.

[cinder storm]

What's the strat

[coarse flower]

Dw you read nothing

[gloomy sinew]

guys is it good the blacksmith shield? the one that gives vers

[cinder storm]

Bruh

No one like being teased like that

[coarse flower]

Nah I didn’t come up with it, I shouldn’t be the one to share it

[cinder storm]

Better primal molten, you can swap stats and doesn't eats an embellishment if you ever want to use another embellishment

[coarse flower]

Probably because healer is topping rest of the group instead of prio healing you? Idk

Need to see log to check

[nimble laurel]

apparently this spell reflect happened sometime during Raging Tempest trash in that NO 19. I really should have logged.

[lean zephyr]

ye p much, so thats why i defensive it now

[dapper shuttle]

You can spell reflect the storm bolt

[coarse flower]

It’s kind of underrated for some tanks but the shield slam talent that DRs the boss is kinda big for this dungeon (and others where you struggle to live as tank)

[lean zephyr]

ive legit never taken off that talent lol

too much value

[coarse flower]

I think even running bolster is kinda underrated so you have more rage to press IP and the 2* min defensive

[lean zephyr]

ls turns into a 2min cd with bolster, but i do think about taking it sometimes in high tyr keys even tho i generally only run HR

[coarse flower]

Ya myb it’s 2min

[loud zinc]

It reflects the ability from the summoned add for like 1m damage for some reason, not really useful typically

[nimble laurel]

ah, the squall?

[lean zephyr]

ya, i think its super useful tho

cause those packs have a ton of kicks and the squall casts can do big dam if its not on the tank

if u go into the pack first and get the 2 casts on u with SR, itll one shot the squall

[nimble laurel]

good tip, kind of like the imps in cos

[lean zephyr]

ye exactly, any kick/stop saved is super worth imo

[errant lark]

do we want the haste buff as prot for the Ruby Whelp Shell? is that the ability we should train?

[graceful basin]

any info about nerfs?

[woven steppe]

Im training mine for aoe dmg, tbh i dont know which one is best

[stable valve]

There’s not enough info for any definitive answer, but ST dmg option seems solid so far.

[nimble laurel]

Purely speculation, but I feel like the crit buff would scale the best with the rest of our gear as well as be effective for ST and AOE

[stable valve]

Issue with that is it could proc at the end of a pull or after CDs end where as the ST or AoE is always straight up dam

So the dam is more consistent

[lone eagle]

Screech is fine to use a CD on

[jolly granite]

Is it correct the trinket being as good as grief torch or even better?

[lone eagle]

In the sense that a beak usually immediately follows it

So if you want to CD a beak, might as well throw it right as screech goes out to get a little extra coverrage

[stable valve]

That was ONE example of a 421 welp vs a 411 torch

[jolly granite]

Okay that’s lacklustre

[lone eagle]

granted the trinket probably favors haste stackers

as it looks like hasted ppm

to me

[stable valve]

So maybe? Or maybe that person got extremely lucky or maybe no one died so grieftorch dam was lower

[lone eagle]

9 procs over a 6 minute Terros fight implies hasted ppm to me

[jolly granite]

I could bring it to 415 but already have 415 hoof and 408 whispering incarnate

[lone eagle]

ITF haste steroid might actually make it somewhat comparable to grieftorch for a pwar

Interesting

[loud hull]

what embellishment do u guys craft

and is there a solid feet option?

[weary python]

Lariat then whatever you want

[chrome grove]

Is shield charge just not working sometimes?

[tropic cobalt]

What 2nd stat % you guys aiming for?

[sonic eagle]

What is the best route for azure vault ? i cant seem to time this tihing if my life depended on it

I'm losing my damn mind

[hardy ridge]

unlike charge, it's on the GCD

so maybe that's why you think it isn't working

[chrome grove]

No, its going on CD but not giving me the damage/stun/block

[median tulip]

Some things are immune to the Stun component

[hardy ridge]

i mean not all mobs are stunnable, maybe you'er not getting block since oyu didn't take the talent for it.. but for the damage idk thats weird

[pallid quiver]

The ones sims tell me give number

[orchid mural]

Hola, tanking Broodkeeper - as the egg tank, probably makes more sense to spec Heavy Repercussions instead of ITF yes?

[chrome grove]

I definitely have the talent for it, but sometimes like just now in this AA it went on cd, didnt move me, and didn't give me block

[tender cove]

omg

these fucking monkey mages

we are doing sbg 16...we have 6 min for a 2 chest

[stark lance]

Tangential to prot warrior, anyone noticed a big uptick in VDH since they announced its buffs?

[tender cove]

mages rages about "me not waiting for buildup" and he dies to frontal

I call him fking monkey

and he leaves xD

and we only 1 chest...

[chrome grove]

Combination of people seeing Naowh play vdh and misunderstanding the buffs to be bigger than like 3% or whatever it is

[stark lance]

Understandable, I suppose

[languid fable]

How do you folks deal with the snap threat of the academy tree boss adds?

[pallid quiver]

All it takes is some notable person to play a class and say it's good and then the general populace goes fucking nuts

[bitter sparrow]

Wait this 2500 transmog thing is just a few extra rocks coming out of our tier gear?

2500 m+

[vocal nimbus]

anyone got a tip on how to aggro all 3 shas of doubt at the same time in the last pull of temple so the dark claw cast synchronises?

[vocal nimbus]

avatar+bv and clap away

do the aoe taunt shout thing in extreme cases

[slim dove]

I did use HR over ITF for it.

[sacred coral]

Guys

Why all protec warriors with 2330 io or more are going with more critical strike instead of haste ???

We have cap for haste ?

[warm plinth]

No one is going with more crit than haste?

[toxic pewter]

I don’t know anyone doing that

[hardy ridge]

Only the ppl who wanna parse

[toxic pewter]

Haste crit is something alot of people do though

[true hound]

Anyone have a macro for shield slam to shield slam closest target if my current target is out of range?

[sacred coral]

We have a cap for haste ?

[hardy ridge]

Thats illegal

[true hound]

hahaha, no, its not. why would it be

[warm plinth]

40% before buffs/talents is when haste starts to be less valuable (but not useless)

[hardy ridge]

Macros cant do that

[true hound]

Yes they can.

[sacred coral]

Ty sir

[mellow surge]

is it better to have alot of vers for high m+ keys?

Or just have high haste low vers?

[warm plinth]

There's no way for a macro to do that. Macros can't check for range and they certainly don't change targets automatically based on range.

[hardy ridge]

Macros cant make smart decisions for you…

[warm plinth]

There are no stat requirements for any level of keys

[hardy ridge]

You seem quite confident is your false claim lol

[warm plinth]

Just get more ilevel or sim for dps

[analog sparrow]

I'm big stupid what's bv stand for

[mellow surge]

I just feel like i get so clapped on m+ at high keys 18 and +

[sacred coral]

I’m seeing that a lot of people going with crit versa specially in tier set

[warm plinth]

No stat combination will improve that. Check your gameplay.

[vocal nimbus]

demo shout* (with booming voice)

[analog sparrow]

Word ty

[warm plinth]

Tier set is literally fixed stats. We have no choice on what stats it is.

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know how much prot warr benefits from windfury totem

[true hound]

Yes they can.

I have one for crusader strike on my pala that i got from ellesmere.

You guys have got to be kidding me. Of course its doable.

[hardy ridge]

Bloodmallet.com has a tab for it

[toxic pewter]

Ohh sweet thanks

[mellow surge]

If you have same ilvl iteam but one has haste/mastery and the other crit/vers which one u would take?

for m+

[analog sparrow]

Isn't that a pvp macro

[true hound]

Thanks.

That's even with focus target in mind. Even better.

[real ocean]

Have Trinkte and ring now. I am free. No more CoS.

[hardy ridge]

Targetenemy doesnt target the closest enemy, it targets a nearby hostile unit

[limber flame]

what about 405 crit haste chest

[real ocean]

Have 415 T Chest

[true hound]

As long as it works. If my target starts casting something while i'm backpeddling and i get out of range, i will now shield slam a target close to me. Which is exactly what i'm looking for.

Tested it, and it works.

[mellow surge]

How good is ruby whelp shell for prots?

[nimble laurel]

Hmm... if I'm already using focus for interrupt targets, could I just use /cleartarget and /targetenemy to get the same effect?

[slim dove]

we dont know yet.

Might be insane

[mellow surge]

Going full haste on it would be?

[slim dove]

It was pretty much written off as garbage until the wowhead article.

[limber flame]

gotta train this shell like its a damn tamogachi

[slim dove]

either haste or damage.

apparently its as strong as grieftorch

[real ocean]

Yea but the wowhead article compared a 411 grieftorch with a 421 iirc

[sick sentinel]

fire nova or fire shot trained whelp

[mellow surge]

ah

[limber flame]

fire shot

[mellow surge]

Any recommendation on a youtube video on prot warriors?

[limber flame]

pika

[true hound]

#showtooltip shield slam
/targetenemy
/cast shield slam
/startattack
/targetlasttarget

This one doesnt mess with focus target.

[graceful stump]

can you have 100% uptime on shield block without bolster and heavy repercussions? seems obvious to me that I currently can't but does high haste change this at all? srry if its noted somewhere I can't find it

[limber flame]

i also watch lepantoe, but these videos are obviously them in 5 stack comms for their M+s take them with a grain of salt

[mellow surge]

oh ok ty for recommendation

I just get slapped on m+ not sure how i can improve

Tought i needed more versa

[limber flame]

versa not gonna save you

learning whats hurting you and what you can do against it will

[mellow surge]

The zone on elemental boss on NO mythic

jesus those mobs clap

not sure how to avoid the dmg

[warm plinth]

You realize that's not what the macro is doing right... also if you already had a macro that did it then why the fuck wouldn't you just replace the ability instead of asking for a new macro and being condescending about it?

[limber flame]

Be on top of interrupts, use your stops intelligently, make sure to keep IP absorb up

[mellow surge]

stops?

[limber flame]

Abilities that CC mobs, storm bolt, intim shout, shockwave

Shield Charge

[mellow surge]

oh okay thanks mate

Ill try to improve i guess, but fortified feels tougher than tyranical

[zinc spruce]

you guys use any auto markers?

[warm plinth]

Nah they frustrate me

[slim dove]

fuck auto markers

[warm plinth]

I just use the Opie marker ring

[true hound]

I didnt. I was on discord with a friend that helped me do it. But several people saying its not possible, and one even saying its illegal. I knew it could be done, i just didnt know how at the time when i asked.

[slim dove]

piss me off to no end when people have that shit weakaura

[zinc spruce]

what this do

[stoic kiln]

thoughts on this

[slim dove]

might be cracked, gonna be another week before we have data

[warm plinth]

The macro isn't doing what you asked for though. It's literally just deselecting your target and retargeting. It's the same thing as pressing escape and tab

[warm plinth]

You can bind a hotkey to a ring that pops up on your screen and has all the markers

[mighty valley]

yeah that just... regardless of your current target, retargets something semi-randomly in range, hits it, then goes back to original target

[true hound]

Yes, it deselects, but its not noticable. It keeps my current target, but it can still cast shield slam even if i'm out of range. Which is exactly what i was askinga bout.

[warm plinth]

You just move your mouse in the direction of the marker while holding the keybind

[true hound]

It will only cast shield slam on a different target, if i am out of range.

[mighty valley]

with that logic, it always starts by clearing target

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's going to retarget no matter what

[strong forum]

my 372 whelp trained 6/6 into fireshot did 1.1k dps in my run just now

[warm plinth]

It doesn't give a shit about range

[strong forum]

i got 17 fireshots, 4 stat procs and 1 heal proc

so a 421 will do roughly 2-3x the damage

[slim dove]

nom pls dont make me regret giving away a 405 i got my last rlp run

[strong forum]

[stoic kiln]

sick, do you know if you can train it into all of the traits?

[stoic kiln]

and i take it, it proged 17 fireshots because thats what you have trained it into

[void bramble]

Everyone is taking spell reflect for most dungeons right?

[hardy ridge]

It is illegal, macros cant do what you asked for. Your question was poorly worded at best, but im glad you found a solution

[dull zodiac]

What does IV stand for

Top pinned post

[warm plinth]

You always take spell reflect

Spell reflect is not spell block

[warm plinth]

Impending victory

[dull zodiac]

Cheers

[strong forum]

6 max

[strong forum]

yes

you can allocate 6 points

[wide charm]

what trinket you guys playing in keys ?

[strong forum]

whetstone +boon/alltotem

is what i play

[wide charm]

is boon a raidtrinket ? if so what is another m+ alternative ?

i'm playing whetstone/hoof but idk if it's the best

[nimble laurel]

Whetstone and granyth's (simply because I had a bad vault with a 421 version of it)

[nimble laurel]

I had hoof for awhile and just didn't find it effective.

[strong forum]

whestone/hoof and or whelp are your best m+ options

hoof is basically a 20-30% str buff on use + uncapped aoe nuke every 2 minutes

so its really good offensively

[graceful sundial]

how is granyth enduring scale?

[strong forum]

1ppm on a 80k absorb

you be the judge on that

[graceful sundial]

and what exactly does the whelp trinket?

[cold pollen]

fuck ruby pool

[slim dove]

stat procs, heal, ST damage, AOE damage.

[craggy pilot]

BOYS

[slim dove]

you train the whelp by using the "use" effect on specific mobs/targets 7 times

[craggy pilot]

IM OUT OF COURT HELL!!!!!

[slim dove]

[craggy pilot]

but now i spent all my valor on ring... 😦

[slim dove]

i gave up on 40

[craggy pilot]

59 is the one bro 🤣

[slim dove]

took my dh friend 81 runs

got heroic grieftorch next day

[craggy pilot]

now what do i use in M+ 🤔

[flat sorrel]

What do you guys think the best tank trinket combo is currently for us

[craggy pilot]

wdym tank trinket combo?

[slim dove]

whetstone/grief + alltotem/icon

[flat sorrel]

The BiS trinkets for us overall from mythics or raids. Our 2 best trinkets

Like if you could use any 2 trinkets together, what do you think our best would be

[slim dove]

whetstone/grief + alltotem/icon

[weary dagger]

Nokhud be like

[flat sorrel]

You think both of those are good or one better than the other?

[craggy pilot]

damn its saying Whetstone + Big Toe in ST, and Big Toe + Ruby in AOE 🤔

[slim dove]

grief is better then whetstone iirc but not farmable. all totem is better in m+, icon is better in raid.

[quartz geyser]

Evening, can Blazebinder's Hoof proc the Seal of Diurna's ring equip ?

[cold pollen]

whats all totem ?

[slim dove]

kurog trinket.

[whole vortex]

That can't all be from reflecting on storm boss can it?

[flat sorrel]

All totem is better than grief and whetstone damage wise in m+?

[slim dove]

all totem is usually (for me) between 2.5-5% my overall, thats not including the armor/haste procs

i dont have whetstone or grief because rng 🙂

[warm plinth]

Just loot it 4head

[mighty valley]

if it's fire damage it can

[mighty valley]

big reflect on final boss too

[slim dove]

6 broodkeeper kills, seen it 0 times

[warm plinth]

You're not trying hard enough

[whole vortex]

wait what do you reflect on final boss?

I'm noob

[slim dove]

conductive strike.

[mighty valley]

#protection message you can always check this helpful message from the pins

[flat sorrel]

Looks like I should just sim it all lol

[weary dagger]

it's unstable squall tech

just tell ur group to delay going into those packs so u get guaranteed reflect on unstable squalls cast

[mighty valley]

people always coming in here like "what are the bis trinkets" when i'm just like uhhhhhhhhh whichever ones drop for me, beggars can't be choosers

[whole vortex]

[weary dagger]

on fortified 20+ u pretty much oneshot the mob with the dot

2nd boss trash

[tulip kelp]

Fuck me, brackenhide is the most aids dungeon, gonna be ass next season

[limber flame]

6 brood kills 0 tier shoulder token

[tulip kelp]

Apparently I need to go to some altar here to craft decay phials so I'm soloing it and its taking so fking long

[heady gyro]

one shot what mob?

[warm plinth]

Ikr imagine having enough trinkets to even have a choice

[weary dagger]

this little fucker in 2nd boss trash

[sick sentinel]

prices have dropped quite some, still useds to seeing comma's for a few of those.

[warm plinth]

Yeah my gold income has taken a hit with how low order has gotten

[uncut zephyr]

Normal for your single target dps in keys to be kind of ass?

[warm plinth]

Define ass

[keen nebula]

At which key lvl should I switch from tough as nails to Spell block ?

[warm plinth]

It's not about key level and realistically you don't NEED spell block in high keys generally. It's more of a comfort thing or if you think you'll fuck up and want another button.

[reef holly]

Hey all- do we need to open vault as dps spec in order to have a chance at these trinkets?

[keen nebula]

I see, I see thanks I just enjoy the "free dmg" XD

[warm plinth]

Chance at what trinkets

[oak heart]

whetstone 😛

[keen nebula]

im debating on rumbling ruby vs whetstone atm xD

[reef holly]

Dungeon trinkets- not raid. Whetstone, hoof, welp shell

[keen nebula]

Im using atm Icon and rumbling but I dont know if I should switch rumbling for whetstone

[oak heart]

you can get hoof and welp as tank, and all of them as dps

[warm plinth]

Whetstone is dps I believe? Whelp should be all

[warm plinth]

In what content?

[keen nebula]

M+

Im normally arms or fury, I just switched to prot for my friend group

So ya im not to sure what trinket to run xD

Like I have a few good choice atleast XD

[limber flame]

icon really only good if you have multiple people in group with it

[keen nebula]

ya our group has one each so far

[limber flame]

o ye that icon + grief

[keen nebula]

grief is only Normal sadly

[limber flame]

is storm eater heroic?

[keen nebula]

normal too

heroic is everything else

XD

[limber flame]

think normal grief still beats any of those options

[keen nebula]

I see

[strong forum]

grieftorch+boon in most keys

[craggy pilot]

402 Whetstone 4.8mil dmg in a +18 SMBG

402 Ruby 2.5mil dmg

🤔

[keen nebula]

Um

[strong forum]

grieftorch + whetstone in lower pullcount dungeons

[craggy pilot]

does the AA of Ruby make up for that much?

[strong forum]

like AV, Temple

[strong forum]

ruby whelp shell or rumbling ruby

[craggy pilot]

Rumbling

[strong forum]

keep in mind it also has mainstat instead of mastery

and smbg is a very bad dungeon for aoe trinkets

[craggy pilot]

oh ye tru

[keen nebula]

my issue with rumbling ruby is

[keen nebula]

some time the 10 stack just goes out on like 1-2 mob left

and not when it "matter"

[craggy pilot]

Whetstone is just "fire and forget" kinda thing

[strong forum]

well yeah thats the rng part

[craggy pilot]

cus it does dmg no matter when u use it

[keen nebula]

ya

[strong forum]

sucks when it happens but ah well

[keen nebula]

and sometime it will do 2m in 1 pull

[strong forum]

but like, youre set frenchy with your trinkets

grieftorch is HARD locked in

[craggy pilot]

seems like Big Toe is better than whetstone in AOE 🤔

[keen nebula]

Grieftorch is that good

I see

[strong forum]

then depending on dungeon you play all-totem/whetstone/boon

[dreamy island]

just making sure, using primal infusion on lariat or shield first? both at 392 atm, I'm assuming shield, right?

[craggy pilot]

so idk maybe i use Whetstone for Tyr, and Big Toe for Fort 🤔

[strong forum]

shield

[dreamy island]

ty

[strong forum]

always whetstone

in your case

[craggy pilot]

on AOE as well?

[strong forum]

yes

[craggy pilot]

better than Big Toe?

[strong forum]

yes

[keen nebula]

I dont have all totem, I have Whispering icon

[strong forum]

whetstone does 3.5k dps in every key

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8Nrw3XjDDh1s8YurhpbNf
5 target sim says Whetstone is -0.4%

[strong forum]

ah rip

[strong forum]

ya but youre not always fighting 5 targets

youre also fighting bosses

[keen nebula]

so grieftorch better then whetstone uh.

[craggy pilot]

so Whetstone + Big Toe then? 😄

[strong forum]

yes

sure also works

you use big toe with CDs

and whetstone after

[craggy pilot]

oh ye thats tru

in ST Whetstone + Big Toe is biggest

Ruby biggest in AOE

Ruby 1.5% better than Big Toe in 5 target 🤔

[keen nebula]

385k from whetstone and my torch did 270k. on 5 target..

[strong forum]

ruby is uncapped aoe

[lean zephyr]

if me and the other tank in the raid both set our loot spec to dps specs, can all totem still drop in raid? im guessing not

[strong forum]

torch has super high variance

but on average is better

[keen nebula]

I see

[strong forum]

whetstone doesnt have any variance besides crit

[keen nebula]

true

[strong forum]

but torch has a variance from 10 hits to 30 hits

[keen nebula]

so I guess torch on bigger pull is just gonna pop off

[craggy pilot]

the Ruby effect seems quite low though

in my dungeons

[strong forum]

every shot of torch has a 15% chance to proc another shot

[craggy pilot]

3.5% of overall

[strong forum]

• crit rng

[strong forum]

3.5% overall is good lol

[craggy pilot]

in my academy it did 4%

[strong forum]

dont forget you get about 2% atk power while its not doing dmg

[keen nebula]

how much haste is to much haste umm

[craggy pilot]

ye but Whetstone is 6.6% overall 🤣

[strong forum]

40% unbuffed

[craggy pilot]

in SMBG

[strong forum]

yes...

whetstone good

more news at 10

[golden sierra]

anyone got priest discord?

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[keen nebula]

I have 4.1k haste atm

[craggy pilot]

just feels kinda weird actually having it

[strong forum]

not even close to too much

[keen nebula]

with allies.

[craggy pilot]

after fucking 60x COS runs

[keen nebula]

im at 40%

[strong forum]

thats with buffs.

[keen nebula]

ok so perfect

[strong forum]

i said 40% unbuffed

[craggy pilot]

nome

do i have too much Vers?

[strong forum]

yes

jokes aside

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[strong forum]

for damage you want 3.5k crit 4k+ haste 1.1k mastery and 1.1k vers

more is always better

[craggy pilot]

ye its like 40% 40% 10% 10%?