protection

[dull zodiac]

And I'm not overcapping

[strong forum]

In real scenarios, revenge won't keep up IP

[warm plinth]

Even if it does, you would rather overcap IP than rage

[dull zodiac]

How many IPs stack? 2x applications?

I need a tracker

[warm plinth]

Caps at 30% max HP

[dull zodiac]

Oh cool

[strong forum]

In the purely hypothetical scenario that you have enough targets to spam revenge + thunderclap + ignore pain

[warm plinth]

You really don't need a tracker

[strong forum]

Then yes, you can stop using shield slam

[dull zodiac]

Right

[strong forum]

At that point you have well over 15 targets

Which is outrageously large

[dull zodiac]

And at how many targets is revenge better spender than execute

[strong forum]

2

[dull zodiac]

Cool

[strong forum]

I mean 3 sorry

On 3 targets its 100% better to press revenge

On 2 targets its even

[dull zodiac]

So u guys don't recommend tracking my IP? As u will be spending ur rage on it constantly to feed Anger management and outburst

[strong forum]

I wouldn't hard focus on it

It's beneficial to track

[mortal brook]

so on two targets we get to choose whichever is more aesthetically pleasing for our character??

[toxic mesa]

you definitely need to track IP, both duration and the amount it absorbs, preferably as a percentage of your health

[zinc spruce]

do u guys take spell block for Ruby?

[dull zodiac]

Oki

[strong forum]

Whichever has the prio target that needs to die

[dull zodiac]

Does any of u have a simple standalone weak aura for IP?

[mortal brook]

i like the revenge animation on my female goblin

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

The one from pins

[dull zodiac]

Thanks guys

[strong forum]

I have reduced it to text form

[dull zodiac]

Appreciate all of it!

Have an awesome evening

[strong forum]

Mine only tracks the absorb amount

Cuz timer is useless

[dull zodiac]

Perfect

[strong forum]

But I hardly pay attention to it

But it's good to know if you have a max IP for a tankbuster banked up

[dull zodiac]

Just one more question

[strong forum]

And in heavy dmg situations it's also good to know if it's fallen off or not

[zinc spruce]

thank you

[dull zodiac]

The jade serpent when she phases she kinda hits like a truck with the tank breaker

Is it fully magic dmg?

[strong forum]

Yes

That boss is 99% magic

Jade phase is 100% magic

[zinc spruce]

whats the jade phase?

[dull zodiac]

Do u bother keeping up shield block?

[strong forum]

70->30%

Is her jade phase

[mortal brook]

70% when she makes the lines and does the absorb to 30% when THE DRAGON WILL BE YOUR DOOM

[strong forum]

Yes, SB is cheap

[dull zodiac]

Okay 🙂

[strong forum]

And increased SS dmg by 30%

[dull zodiac]

Oh right

[strong forum]

Mucho importanto for damgur

[lunar minnow]

so is this ruby whelp shell any good? keep hearing about it

[strong forum]

It's better than initially proclaimed

[dull zodiac]

I'm constantly in battle stance is there a key level or a place I'm gonna regret it?

[strong forum]

And if trained to 6 fireshot can do very respectable dmg

[tame jasper]

the jade strike is one thing, the random spawning flames is the other. sometimes they spawn all on top of each other, sometimes they fill every space of the circle -_-

[strong forum]

You can freely stance dance, and no

It's a 3sec CD off-gcd

Swap as you deem fit, but aim to be in b-stance as much as possible

It's a 14% dps loss to be in d-stance

[dull zodiac]

Nice kinda been doing that id only go d stance for short moments when I'm dropping hard

[strong forum]

Yup

[dull zodiac]

I fell in love with this spec, I've tanked on prot pally blood, druid alot

But this feels like real tanking

The OG tanking experience:p

[strong forum]

Ya pwar has gotten alot easier from SL to DF

So it's become alot more popular with people again

[dusk sky]

anyone want to look at a wowlog and tell me what i did good and bad at?

would anyone mind*

[stable valve]

Nom I got r2 on heroic raz tonight but I was accidentally in dstance for 46% of the time.
How do I look at myself in the mirror now?

[strong forum]

I can have a look

[strong forum]

Shame on you smh

[dusk sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ChcFvKrwYDnqG3da#fight=1&type=summary&view=timeline&source=6

[stable valve]

I actually cried dude. Was only 80 dps behind r1 😭

[strong forum]

Okay so right off the bad your casts per minute (cpm) is very low

[west bronze]

i'm doing such shit DPS.. not sure what i should be donig differently in M+

[dusk sky]

ok

[west bronze]

mainly talking ST.

[strong forum]

This is yours

This is mine from NO 21

You can instantly see the difference in shield slam and ignore pain casts

To help you visualise it a bit

[dusk sky]

mhm

ur avatars are double mine as well

[mortal brook]

thats rage feedback loop symptom from the more shield slams

[strong forum]

You're not overcapping alot of rage which is alright, only 3% but should be closer to <1%

[stable valve]

More rage gen = more rage spenders = more rage gen

[strong forum]

You've only blocked 83% of melee Hits, could be better

[stable valve]

Nom, any early thoughts on the ruby welp shell? I have a 398 I have sitting in my bags atm

Started training it for ST today

[strong forum]

Has the potential to be one of the best offensive trinkets

[tawdry lichen]

Prot is Just smashing buttons. Many of them. Do you guys macro Stuff together like fury can do all cds im 1 button?

[strong forum]

No don't macro buttons together

[stable valve]

I’m assuming for the ST nuke, not the haste or crit buff?

[strong forum]

For the buffs we still need to evaluate its worth

But so far it seems its 16% uptime once fully trained

[stable valve]

Wonder if the proc is hasted or a flat rate

[strong forum]

16% uptime on almost 30% haste is not terrible

[stable valve]

Damn that’s not too bad for how much stat it gives

[stable valve]

Have it proc as lust is ending while wearing the potion absorption inhibitor 🤔

[strong forum]

First initial draft would suggest that fireshot is the go-to for St damage

And for aoe padding it's stat proc

[strong forum]

If you proc it during Lust it's better

Cuz Lust is multiplicative

So get 39% haste out of 30%

[stable valve]

Figure I’ll train as ST for now for raid and rough tyr dungeons
Have decoration of flame, boon, and rumbling ruby for AoE atm

[strong forum]

It's the most consistent

It can't proc at inopportune times when it's just a dmg proc

If you get the stat proc at the end of a pack it kinda sucks

[stable valve]

Plus coming from S4 SLs I’m itching for some better ST damage

[strong forum]

Prio dmg is always important

[stable valve]

I miss execute :’(

[strong forum]

Execute is better than it was on mid beta, just not turbo cracked like in SL

[ionic fern]

Uuuh, don't get me started. We got a 22 TJS for tonight.

[toxic mesa]

im currently using the trampling hooves trinket and it seems alright

[stable valve]

For sure man. Not enough people value it in my guild sadly

[strong forum]

Prio dmg is what times keys

Not overall pad

[stable valve]

I just wish it somewhat procced our tier

[strong forum]

Like the people who spec ultra aoe just for flowers in AA

To then do sub tank dmg on bosses

[strong forum]

Yeah that part is ultra whack

[stable valve]

Honestly dude. Like even if it was just 2s or something.
Feels so odd to press revenge in ST during execute phase if I don’t have CDs rolling

[dusk sky]

@ionic fern thanks for the talents btw details is showing my shield block in combat go from 22% uptime to 78%

[strong forum]

It's more dps to ignore tierset in execute

Entirely

[stable valve]

…

fuck

[ionic fern]

How about your damagE?

[toxic mesa]

i dont care about the tier set bonuses at all, i press revenge when its time to use revenge

[dusk sky]

it was 26k instead of 17k

dps

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Still work to be done, but better.

[strong forum]

Getting there

[ionic fern]

[dusk sky]

yes def

[stable valve]

Any idea what the ~% gain is?

[strong forum]

Like 0.7%

Very minor

[dusk sky]

what dps should i aim for at like 384 ilvl

[strong forum]

But there

384 should be like 30-35k

[stable valve]

Still sad but slightly less so

[dusk sky]

[strong forum]

Higher is always better

[dusk sky]

i think when i get more used to it i can get up to about there

[strong forum]

But you're doing things already very correct if you're around that

[vague bane]

how do warriors generate rage? does haste help generate more?

[strong forum]

Shield slam, Thunderclap, bloodsurge, CDs, auto attack, getting melee'd

Haste very much helps with rage generation

Your primary source of rage income is from shield slam

Which has a hasted CD, and can get reset by auto attacks (devastator) and pressing revenge, Thunderclap or execute

So more buttons = more buttons

[vague bane]

tyvm

[unique shale]

is it worth to get Defender's Aegis talent ?

or its bad play

[strong forum]

Dungeon dependant, but yes

Can prove useful if you use it decently frequently

Otherwise if you don't use it often, Impenetrable Wall is better because it Increases rage generation a good bit

Basically the use-case of Defenders Aegis is, if you need shield wall quickly back to back in a shorter window than 60 seconds

If the window is larger than 60seconds, where you need shield wall, Impenetrable wall is better

[zinc spruce]

how do i upload my logs for a Dungeon for example to see spells used etc overall

[strong forum]

Uh I don't have the copy pasta rn

[ionic fern]

I gotchu

#protection message

[zinc spruce]

Thanks

[vague bane]

is it worth taking booming voice over show of force?

[strong forum]

Tough to say

That's a sim question

But uh

Why don't you have both?

Cuz 99.9% of builds have both

[ionic fern]

What's the 0.1% that doesn't have it?

Do i even dare to see it?

[strong forum]

Me on dathea

[ionic fern]

We haven't gotten to dathea yet and i haven't done my homework. 😦

[strong forum]

Sudden death is more dmg than booming voice in raid ( I think)

And I pick disruptive shout for adds

So I drop booming voice instead of battering ram

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay, this explains it - i was wondering where that 1 point is going.

[strong forum]

Cuz battering ram is definitely a must pick

[ionic fern]

Just get a DK.

And a paladin.

[strong forum]

Too much effort

[ionic fern]

We luckily have one.
But we usually forget to send the DK up.

[strong forum]

[onyx vessel]

[vague bane]

why do alot of tanks run into the fray ? isnt the closer to 100% uptime on shield block the goal?

[quaint folio]

Would someone be able to let me know how to review my logs and see what I'm doing wrong? I don't really know what to look beyond IP uptime, shield block uptime and looking at TC and slam casts . I watched the jakeyplops video but it's a year old and refers to older talents and older dungeons.

This is a log of me during poorly in a M+ key, but I feel is pretty representative of most of my keys. My healer (evoker) says that when he heals other prot warriors he never has to heal them at all, even during tank busters, whereas he needs to keep an eye out for me all the time
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pdMPDy1aCm2fqgX7/#fight=last&source=3

[strong forum]

Idk

Honestly don't know

It plays so badly

[onyx vessel]

Sounds like a job for jakey

[strong forum]

And is barely a dps gain, at the cost of massive safety

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

Huge risk for very tiny reward

[onyx vessel]

I think cuz wowhead guide suggests it

[ionic fern]

Meanwhile HR+ED and you're casually sitting at 90%+ blocked hits.

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

It's actually a lot of streamers who run ITF/Bolster.

That's what i've heard at least.

[onyx vessel]

Fotm shitters

[strong forum]

Nah its cuz people think it's at 5 stacks at all times and think haste = must pick

[onyx vessel]

They sit in d stance

[strong forum]

Some don't even have bolster

They just raw dog

Which is even crazier

[onyx vessel]

Wait we running bolster

[strong forum]

No

[onyx vessel]

No bolster just ed

That 60% block uptime

[ionic fern]

-Blocked hits (Damage taken->Hover over Hits for melee)
-Casts (SS/TC/revenge, CD's)
-Resources->Rage(overspent should be near 0)

M+ logs are kinda wonky in the sense that you can't compare properly due to every run being different.

[strong forum]

80%ish with shield charge + bulwark but still

Super whack

[ionic fern]

All you can do is analyse your play and try to remember where you messed up to look at that spot to see what happened.

[onyx vessel]

I rock 80% vanguard uptime

[ionic fern]

Know what else is super wack?
Doing HoV with double melee who "swear were BEHIND" the shieldmaidens.

[strong forum]

[onyx vessel]

Then get yelled at in raid for not spamming ignore pain like my cotank was

[strong forum]

If they were they wouldn't be dead

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

Your general casts per minute is quite low

[ionic fern]

Facts.

[onyx vessel]

Taking too much dmg

Sitting in battle stance not hitting ignore pain

[strong forum]

You should look into your rotation a bit more, slap the dummy maybe to get more muscle memory and actively look at using shield slam on cooldown more

[quaint folio]

Thank you!

[strong forum]

Only doing ~22k dps in HoV 389 ilvl is definitely off

So maybe actively look at your buttons more

[onyx vessel]

Solution for me was quit that shitty guild and move to another and dps it

[quaint folio]

I do tend to struggle with my rotation. I try to hit slam every time it comes up, but I think that I do even worst with Tclap

[strong forum]

Are you tracking seeing red and outburst?

Cuz min-maxing that also plays a big role

But yeah, like I said

Slap the dummy, get more practice until you don't really have to think about your buttons presses

[onyx vessel]

Well you arent me who does like 15% revenge dmg in keys

Wait 15 is low i ment 25%

[strong forum]

The general dmg breakdown of your log looks okay

With SS being top

But idk numbers are just low

[onyx vessel]

For keys?

[strong forum]

I mean matrixsage's

I haven't seen yours idk

[onyx vessel]

I dont log mine

Cuz i dont push keys just a lazy casual now like nome

[strong forum]

I mean I don't push either ye

[quaint folio]

Thank you! just to confirm, my dps rotation would always be

1. cds when they come up (avatar, demo shout, ravager, ravenous roar , shield charge)
2. shield slam the moment it comes up
3. t clap the moment it comes up
4. Execute/revenge.

I feel like I understand the rotation mentally. I will do what you say and hit a dummy to build that muscle memory

[strong forum]

I've done like 30 keys this xpac

Yup looks about right matrix

CDs on CD

[quaint folio]

I've been told that on fortified weeks, my TC should be higher damage then SS

[onyx vessel]

My friend who went prot for this xpac did like 80 keys a week

[strong forum]

Idk I farm R1 dmg logs left and right and SS is always top dmg for me

[onyx vessel]

Hes already over 200

[charred ivy]

What kind of DPS are you doing then at like 400 ilv?

Mplus

[strong forum]

This is my breakdown from HoV 19 where I did 53k dps

[strong forum]

Should be around 45k overall on average

[onyx vessel]

I must be missing ss casts

[strong forum]

40-45k

[onyx vessel]

Cuz ss is normally 2nd

For me

[ionic fern]

Also HoV, can confirm.

[lofty widget]

whats your ilvl nome?

[strong forum]

I do minimum 50k ever since I have my 418 weapon

[ionic fern]

[charred ivy]

Ah then i did kind of ok xD sweet

[strong forum]

I'm 404 equipped

In that log I was 402

[onyx vessel]

Im 394 i do like 28k

[onyx vessel]

But im lazy af so i sit in distance

[ionic fern]

Guess what key.

[strong forum]

Surely it's not AA

[ionic fern]

It is..it is AA.

😂

[onyx vessel]

Someone pulled huge

[charred ivy]

Yeah aa tanks can get some big dmg in can't they xD

[onyx vessel]

I watched some 20s with a vdh tank man was kiting mobs

[strong forum]

AA is max pad dungeon

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

That's a bad vdh then

[onyx vessel]

Weak needs to kite

[strong forum]

They don't need to kite

Unless it was raging

Then yeah, they kinda need to

[onyx vessel]

What was last week

Probably raging

[strong forum]

Tyr raging

[ionic fern]

100%.

😂

[onyx vessel]

Prot warrior sees raging

[strong forum]

10% on lashers is still tame

[ionic fern]

We blew them up pretty fast. 😦

[strong forum]

I've seen logs of people having 20%+ on lashers

[onyx vessel]

Does nothing different cept go in dstance

[ionic fern]

And we only had 2 phases in the 20.

[onyx vessel]

Dpsed a key did shit dmg and had 10% to shades

[ionic fern]

Just tells me i need to pad even more.

[onyx vessel]

Good pad for this week

Shades come out

[strong forum]

From my 5tank week 1

[ionic fern]

How many spawns?

[strong forum]

Like 7

Maybe 8

[ionic fern]

Giga logs.

[exotic rapids]

What do prot warriors wanna train the whelpling from the trinket for m+?
AE or Haste?

[strong forum]

TBD

Don't know what's best yet

Probably 6x fireshot for consistency

[ionic fern]

That's what i'm going for ^

[exotic rapids]

i see

[onyx vessel]

Too much effort

[exotic rapids]

thank you

[strong forum]

Ye had 8x germinate

[ionic fern]

Which reminds me.

How are all tank dungeons this expansion?
Seems like a lot of places/deadly abilities need dispells.

[strong forum]

We've only done AV and RLP once

🙂

[urban portal]

I thought ppal can dispel?

Or no

[strong forum]

Temple too

Only healers can dispel magic

And warlock

[urban portal]

I see

So you just gotta eat the hit

[ionic fern]

Reasonable.😂

[strong forum]

We also never get those keys

We legit only get Notgud, halls of valor smbg and cos

[ionic fern]

Tbh, RLP on fort should be pretty chill with prot pallies.

[strong forum]

Absolutely

We just don't have it

[ionic fern]

We got one on a +22

And i don't wanna do it even with a normal group.

[strong forum]

I alone got 4 HoV keys

In 6 keys that we've done

[ionic fern]

That's about the same luck we've had with CoS this week.

[mortal brook]

and only the bear can get the eye of skovald, rough

[strong forum]

Ye

Maybe pally on holy lootspec

Idk

[mortal brook]

nope

offensive caster only for eye

[strong forum]

Ya so just druid as boomy

[mortal brook]

bearnodders

[frozen silo]

is 22k overall decent for RLP? im 354ish but new to prot so im not sure how well im doing

[zinc spruce]

I think it's pretty decent

[mortal brook]

didja hit shield slam as much as you could/

[frozen silo]

ye pretty much just hit it and thunderclap on cd

i do forget to shield block every once in a while tho but i think that'll just come with practice

[zinc spruce]

Try to get whetstone from court of stars

It adds a decent chunk of dmg overall

[strong forum]

For 354 uuh.. Probably?

Hard to tell

That's freakishly low ilvl so I have no frame of reference

[frozen silo]

ye im not doing too high keys atm so i dont really feel like im in too much danger. the RLP was a 7 and i was kinda comfortable with bigger pulls at the start

[foggy drift]

Just pull whole dungeon

At once

[pallid quiver]

What's your comp been for 5 tank keys, by the way? One person I play with was asking

[weary python]

Alacritous alchemist stone seems like it could be good, but I don't see how it competes with Grieftorch, whetstone or even the whelp shell potentially.

[ocean finch]

How much haste is too much haste? When is the diminishing return starts to kick in? If I use Hoof trinket I get 5,106 haste, which seems abit high regarding possible diminishing return

[sand pebble]

30% isnt it?

[ocean finch]

33%

[mighty valley]

starts at 30% but barely, slightly worse at 40%, 50%, 60%

it's really not a big deal til later in the expansion when you're sitting over 40% unbuffed

[ocean finch]

Or I'm just lazy and still use Idol and whetstone, I cba with 2 on-use trinkets...

[sand pebble]

I dropped haste for ilvl im at 20% feels fine

[broken light]

does anyone have an idea as to why markers on my head keep on disappearing during the dungeon? its driving me insane it doesnt happen to the other tank during the raid either, it only happens to me. i keep on remarking myself during razageth fight

[ocean finch]

Yea with my best gear I have 30% haste, but would like abit more crit

[mighty valley]

raid mods like DBM or something are likely using the target markers automatically

[ocean finch]

sitting with 19% crit and 16% vers

[mighty valley]

either turn that feature off or find a mark that the mod isn't using

[broken light]

i mean it didnt use to happen i could go the whole dungeon with skull on my head

[sand pebble]

7% vets 27% crit

[broken light]

and i think skull isnt being used

[ocean finch]

Yea that would be nice got some nice haste/vers pieces I upgraded with valor just cause of it

[sand pebble]

17% leech

[ocean finch]

Now when I've reflected, I should have crafted crit/haste ring and cloak instead of haste/vers

[ocean finch]

Pog, got 13% leech

[sand pebble]

Im crit haste on all crafted as i multi spec

[ocean finch]

But hey, I still manage to put out good damaage and are tanky

So I guess thats a future problem

[sand pebble]

I can tank the guild carry keys and i backup raid tank i dont feel any issue with low vers

[lilac jay]

Morning Lads - i have 2 Questions:

The 4-piece practically functions like 5% Leech while the 2-piece is active, but unlike Leech, which has no value when you are at full health, pouring extra absorb value into Ignore Pain is basically always good while actively tanking. Compared to Brutal Vitality, it is a much weaker effect – but Brutal Vitality requires an active Ignore Pain to pour more absorb value into. The 4-piece creates Ignore Pain, which then synergizes beautifully with Brutal Vitality. Together, they sort of give Protection Warrior 40% Leech. There are two mechanics that can cause gaps in uptime (letting the 2-piece fall off & Ignore Pain being consumed) that keep this interaction relatively well-balanced, but the design on paper is very appealing.

Is the bold statement true?

And:
What to do in Execute Phase? Let Buff drop off and execute as much as possible or any other playstyle?

[ocean finch]

You play ITF and Bolster in keys then?

[sand pebble]

Me? Nope

[mighty valley]

the first part is true, yes

[ocean finch]

Still Heavy repuc? I've done ITF and Bolster in +20 keys and its really smooth

[mighty valley]

the second part... i don't know, it's very close. i loosely try and keep the buff up, especially if the boss hurts

[sand pebble]

Im lazy and like sb extenstion lol

[mighty valley]

and obviously any adds at all mean you're using revenge anyway

[eager phoenix]

bolster + itf or no bolster+hr is usually the recommended approach

[lilac jay]

Okay thank you. thats what i thought too!

[ionic fern]

Ignoring the 2p during Execute phase is a small DPS increase.

[sand pebble]

What about if barb training?

[mighty valley]

why about if barb training more like

[lilac jay]

TY. so a little more dps while losing the dmg reduction buff

[urban portal]

Barb training makes ignoring 2p to be a higher dps I’m fairly sure

Because revenge is a lower dpr than execute and barb makes that worse

[visual moat]

is there anywhere that has a list of spells like the champions in hov that we can back step for this season?

[sick sentinel]

Yo guys anyone knows if we can skip these adds with shroud

[ionic fern]

I honestly can't even remember where you land. The 3 mob packs can be skipped by just hugging the inner circle. Patrol can be skipped by waiting for it to walk away.
The 2 mob packs might not be skippable.

You can just leap down from the above platform in a way that you land where the next teleporter is tho.

If your classes allow it.

[ionic fern]

Haven't seen anything like that yet.

[visual moat]

no worries, thanks

[ionic fern]

I know that you can also step back from Void Slash'es from SBG's skeletons.

Probably something else but can't remember currently.

[sand pebble]

Be a real pwar and just face tank them

[warm plinth]

Void Slash, Arcing Blade in NO, Dark Claws in TJS (though it's very unforgiving because of how fast the cast time is so it's probably better to just kite somewhat)

[broken tusk]

i ate a 350k one yesterday

that was nice

[visual moat]

We cant all be as big as you BigDan

[sand pebble]

Reflect dark claws

[ionic fern]

Just

Stack

Crit.

Just mitigated 180k damage

[sand pebble]

^^ this

[ionic fern]

in 10s

Easy.

The sudden realisation that i would have died there because it was a +23 and i diddn't have defensives up.

[exotic rapids]

Is Blazebinder's Hoof worth it with the on use even without the base strenght?

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

Depending on your choices, it might be.

[exotic rapids]

Str plays a role in survivability does it not?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

But there are very rarely any good tank trinkets and the effects on trinkets (be it offensive or defensive) outweigh the stats in most cases.

Unless it's a pure stat stick trinket.

[exotic rapids]

Thank you

[lyric elm]

Next season the tree trinket is gonna be nuts

[ionic fern]

Halls of Infusion on m+ scares me.

[lyric elm]

Big brain to put the best trinket in the most cancer dungeon

Oh yeah lol

That gauntlet

[exotic rapids]

no AA next season though?

[lyric elm]

That's right

[obsidian path]

The packs after the frost mage scares me

[ionic fern]

The frost mage scares me.

Everything there scares me.

[whole vortex]

I wish I could stack crit, blizzard only gives me vers mastery gear

[ionic fern]

Except for the frog and the first boss.

They chill.

[ionic fern]

[lyric elm]

The frogs are gonna be an adventure

[shrewd musk]

I swear BSV is such a doggydog talent

[lyric elm]

Some kiting required

[shrewd musk]

like it literally procs all the time when you don't need it and fails to proc when you do

[ionic fern]

Ooo, did you come to that conclusion yourself?

[shrewd musk]

why even spec it

[ionic fern]

Cause we don't take it

Ever

[whole vortex]

BSV is hot garbage

[ionic fern]

No one should spec it...that's what this Discord has said since the beginning. 😦

[shrewd musk]

well the good ol' ''please spec cheat death for progress'' by my raid leader

[ionic fern]

At least not until they fix it.

[shrewd musk]

but i'm looking and it just doesn't ever actually save me

[ionic fern]

Tell your raid leader to screw off.

[whole vortex]

Kinda funny that the capstone to the talent branch we take almost everything in is so bad

[ionic fern]

Or just explain how the talent works.

So he understands it's garbage.

[shrewd musk]

I did that

but idk

[ionic fern]

Don't.

Play

It.

🙂

[lyric elm]

Does any tank spec cheat in raid, it's not like you take a lot of damage compared to the rest of the people

[ionic fern]

It wouldn't be as bad if they slightly modified how it works.

[shrewd musk]

if a taunt mistake happens it's kinda huge for not just having a wipe if it's like purgatory right

[lyric elm]

I guess so

[shrewd musk]

I'm not in some 0 mistakes ever guild on prog

[whole vortex]

Prot pala have a similar form of cheat death, but I don't remember that being as wonky

[ionic fern]

I'm just rocking the highest DPS talents on prog.

[foggy drift]

Would it be bad to use a spark to craft a helm ?

[ionic fern]

[foggy drift]

And if not what embellishment do I use

[whole vortex]

Boss dies faster = less damage taken

[ionic fern]

Pins.

[lyric elm]

Only if you need it as tier set

[ionic fern]

More like..my defensiveness comes from my own play.

👀

[whole vortex]

Skill? In my bideogame?

[ionic fern]

Physical tank hit? = SB + IP
Magical tank hit? = DS+SR+IP / SW + IP
DoT? = healer issue.

[whole vortex]

Unheard of

[ionic fern]

[foggy drift]

Ty ty

[fallen pulsar]

If you’re egg tanking diurna, do you sit dstance? The damage feel really rough, not sure if it’s a me issue or not. Saw sense and jakey pov video and they were sitting dstance most of the fight

[ionic fern]

On HC? No.

On Mythic? Only if you need.

[cinder storm]

• "Hey Jim, how do you feel about the people hating on us blizz devs about SL dungeons"
• "I'm ok with it, in fact I designed this first encounter with a bunch of adds in AA as a payback to them during explosives"

[fallen pulsar]

I feel like I’m getting clapped on HC

[ionic fern]

Also..Jakey in dstance for Diurna? On hc?

@jagged pier

wtf

[fallen pulsar]

3 weeks ago

Couldve been undergeared

[whole vortex]

Must be slander

[bleak solar]

thoughts about unstable frostfire belt with low prio (crit/mast) stats but the embellishment vs primal molten greatbelt with high prio (haste/vers) stats and armor spikes embellishment

[ionic fern]

Check your logs about what's hurting you.
Can you fix it with proper play? No? Dstance.

I got un-healthy faith in my healers so i just bstance.

[whole vortex]

I have negative faith in my healers

[fallen pulsar]

You mind taking a look? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Mh82QGP1Tg6L4rpt

[whole vortex]

The kind of pevokers who will "rescue" you into lava

[ionic fern]

I do mind. At work. 😦

[fallen pulsar]

Rip

But understandable

[whole vortex]

[fallen pulsar]

Idk I feel like I’m doing everything I can lol, have had to basically coordinate blessings of sacrifices and pain suppression to not get turbo clapped

But obviously probably making mistakes somewhere

[whole vortex]

Are you perhaps tanking without a shield?

[fallen pulsar]

I do got dat shield

[zinc spruce]

get rid of my grievous wounds man

"What if i let my team perma below 90% to try and parse"

[limpid anchor]

Maybe I’m not reading it right, but you got hit by 17 claws in the last pull, but had only 8 spell reflects

[fallen pulsar]

You can spell reflect claw 👀

[limpid anchor]

You should have it rdy for almost every claw

[fallen pulsar]

Wow that would change a lot

[ionic fern]

Idk, doesn't seem too horrible. Just checked on mobile.

[lost ocean]

Question - In Azure Vault, the crackling vortexes move towards anything that generates healing threat, but they're always coming to me. Is that because of our ability to self heal / leech? On the final boss, btw

[ionic fern]

What makes it spicy is the Mortal Stoneclaws (which is supposed to be a tank swap mechanic) leaving the 65% healing reduction + a Nature DoT on you.

So it feels like you're getting wrecked.

[ionic fern]

IP.

[limpid anchor]

Is wildfire the swirly ?

[ionic fern]

• leech

[limpid anchor]

If yes, you stand in shit

[tame jasper]

U can also CC adds to make the pull less dangerous. And kite the whole way out to where u fight 3rd boss @fallen pulsar

[ionic fern]

You can chill on the edge in AV so the orbs never reach you.

[limpid anchor]

I wouldn’t cc shit on brood :)

[ionic fern]

No, it's unavoidable raid damage.

[limpid anchor]

Kk

[ionic fern]

Or well, part of it is.

[lost ocean]

So ignore pain sets it off? What about IV?

[zinc spruce]

hey how does spell reflect work on imps in CoS

[tame jasper]

Oh was on tjs 🤦‍♂️

[limpid anchor]

I know :>

[ionic fern]

It's a DoT which also later puts swirlies on the ground.

[ionic fern]

Yes. IV also.

[cinder storm]

It just reflects

[lyric elm]

it works?

[fallen pulsar]

I dont think I hot the swirlies too much, we just took a long tome In the fight

[ionic fern]

You need to be the only target in range.
Charge->Line up their casts with Shockwave->SR.

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah stoneclaws just feels rough

I dont think spell reflect works if the sense spreadsheet is right

[lofty widget]

still 20 % DR

the dot is nature dmg

[zinc spruce]

the only target in range until the start casting right?

[fallen pulsar]

I feel like I get conflicting answers on that, I’ve been told before that even magic dots don’t get DRed

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[zinc spruce]

okay

[lofty widget]

ofc they do

[limpid anchor]

Magic dmg is magic dmg

[ionic fern]

I found it easier to just nuke them with DPS'ers tho-.

[fallen pulsar]

But if it does do DR then yeah that would help a ton

[ionic fern]

Unless you're soloing one of the big packs while DPS'ers do something else.

[limpid anchor]

Unless mwahi says otherwise :<

[ionic fern]

Otherwise.

[strange chasm]

hello q enchant sophic dev vs wafting dev ?

[limpid anchor]

Then unlucky

[proud dock]

does demo shout give aggro?

[ionic fern]

No, i diddn't actually read. I just said "Otherwise".

👀

[ionic fern]

Sim yourself.

[limpid anchor]

I know :>

[blazing condor]

Not especially

[limpid anchor]

Does the SR magic dr work on dots?

[proud dock]

sadge

[blazing condor]

Challenging shout does tho

Otherwise you just revenge and clap your way into aggro

In aoe

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[limpid anchor]

@fallen pulsar

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if there is a Azeroth Autopilot alternative for DF?

[fallen pulsar]

This is why I love this discord 🙂 get to be a better player every day

[limpid anchor]

Yes there’s an updated version

[fallen pulsar]

Thanks y’all I’ll give it a shot next time

[craggy pilot]

does it have a route for DF?

[ionic fern]

If it makes you feel any better then your HP yo-yos less than my HP on that fight.

But i don't really pay attention to it.

[pearl bay]

Can Crystal Fury's Piercing Shards be spell blocked in AV? Or how can i best deal with it, Currently trying new route where we kill all trash and do the skip, But the packs of 3 are trucking me.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[fallen pulsar]

This is just the first raid fight that makes me feel mortal lmao

Every other boss in heroic has basically tickled me

[limpid anchor]

Idk brood doesn’t do dmg either

But you need attention from healers

[ionic fern]

They also do a cast which increases the Piercing Shards damage by 30% before actually casting Piercing Shards.

[whole vortex]

I need to turn off screen edge flashing red when low on HP, it just causes panic lol

[ionic fern]

Otherwise you just Shockwave/Storm Bolt / Shield Charge/ Intim Shout interrupt the Piercing Shard cast.

Iirc you only do like..1 pack of them now tho so it's w/e.

[fallen pulsar]

I’ll let em know

[waxen cedar]

Ok listen, even tho i am 2,8k rio i dont understand one thing .. why is Clapso playing FbV over BrV ? Is it just because of the bug where BrV just doesnt work like 30% of time ? The one time i played FbV i felt way squishier.

[ionic fern]

Who is Clapso?

KNow what..don't wanna know.

Just ask them.

[waxen cedar]

Just casually r1 pwar, no one interesting

[whole vortex]

here we go again

[ionic fern]

🤷

[limpid anchor]

Who

[whole vortex]

If you're asking us why someone else is doing a thing, chances are we don't know a satisfying answer

[ionic fern]

FbV has been working properly for me tho.

For a while already.

Then again..i don't really pay much attention to my IP.

[whole vortex]

Thoughts on training whelp to give fat crit for m+?

[sweet summit]

go st fire proc, or use another trinket

[whole vortex]

[sweet summit]

it's not as insane as it looked to be

[whole vortex]

Noted, that's what I started on yesterday anyway

Well my trinkets are all shit so

I still use heroic puzzle box as fury

[ionic fern]

[whole vortex]

I use the world boss haste trinket and m0 hooves right now

[steady steppe]

double ilvl

[fallen pulsar]

Sidenote: is the physical part of mortal claw from diurna blockable?

I assume yes

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[fallen pulsar]

Yeehaw

Thanks

[exotic rapids]

this might make me a laughing stock...but why does simcraft value trinket differently depending on the trinket slot?

I wear Flame+hoof and it tells me hoof+flame (same ilvl) is 600 dps more

It also tells me hoof 402+flame 402 is 300 dps more than flame 402+hoof 411

[edgy spear]

maybe im tripping but im 99% sure that it works for me to just charge in and then they all simulatenously cast on me after 2 seconds and it all reflects.

Never had to line up the casts with shockwave

[sweet summit]

trinket slot 1 is being used first in sims

[opaque hull]

Since there is DR for more than 30% of a stat, when I go above 30% haste is it better to enchant to vers to keep me on 30 haste and go higher vers?

[sweet summit]

so slot change is to show which trinket to use first for more damage

[edgy spear]

It's 30% from rating, not 30% on character sheet, ie. haste wont start DR'ing just because ITF puts you above 30%

[exotic rapids]

ahhhh that makes sense. because of the lock on trinkets

[sweet summit]

yap

stats with cds>stats outside of cds
flat damage in cd =flat damage outside cds

[ionic fern]

🤷
Force of habit for me on the rare occasions i do it.

We usually just blast them.

[edgy spear]

They always seem to take a few seconds to figure out what to do when charging in and then they all simultaneously seem to cast. Must have it logged but on work pc atm

[fiery wasp]

is it worth to tank in battle stance with 4p tier set?

[ionic fern]

You should be in battle stance for like 99.9% of the time.

[fiery wasp]

even for mythic raiding?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

If you feel uncomfortable with the class/damage intake, you can obviously swap to Defensive Stance.

[opaque hull]

I just checked my armory, on the armory it says I got 34% haste, in game it says 28%. When I mouseover, the number is correct on both - 4326. Any ideas?

[ionic fern]

What talents are shown on Armory?

If ITF , then it sometimes counts that in a weird way.

[opaque hull]

no ITF, got the other one

heavy repercussions

[ionic fern]

🤷
SPaghetti code then.

[opaque hull]

Since I got the 4set, is it better to go Fueled by Violence instead of Brutal Vitality?

checking ppl on Raider IO and saw that

[inner hound]

4set actually buffs brutal vitality so no at all

[graceful kite]

You should be in bstance no matter the set

[fiery wasp]

thanks a lot guys

[lyric elm]

Anyone got good results from whelp yet? I'm still training mine

[inner hound]

I had mine in vault weeks ago. Checked it yesterday and it was at 6/6 single target. It does 3.5 - 4% of my damage in m+ usually

[whole vortex]

I only go dstance when the healer makes a panic yelp in voice chat

[edgy spear]

it's nice when you anticipate a big spooky hit. Can be hyrja blast, tank buster on raszageth, TJS 3rd boss etc.

Can change back to bstance a few seconds later

It's off the gcd

[quartz pond]

ye thats the best use for D stance, u can switch fast enough that it wont matter and its free mitigation.

[onyx pike]

how do you check that?

[inner hound]

the WA or the chat string

/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end

[orchid frigate]

just did SMB and it felts super weird on last boss. could have sworn I didn't stand in the purple stuff but still got that nasty debuff. guess it has a bigger proximity than what is shown?

[blazing condor]

it can be tricky if you charge in on the mob

[orchid frigate]

yeah have the same issue first boss in raid 😄

[blazing condor]

granted you can charge no issues

but you gotta be careful cus its easy to step out of line

[quartz pond]

dont hold w while charing

[whole vortex]

Experienced getting clipped by the purple wall as ran through yesterday as well, felt unfair because I wasn't near the goo

We're you killing the skeleton at the edge?

[quartz pond]

the effect is way bigger than it looks on the trail but there is also never really a reason to cut that corner.

u can in 99% of the cases run in a straight line out.

[whole vortex]

It didn't look like I was cutting the corner, that's why it felt unfair

But we were at the edge, so I had to turn inwards to get away from frontal

[quartz pond]

definitely can happen and its better to give it some extra room to be safe.

[whole vortex]

I'm just never gonna listen to my dps when they say "kill edge" ever again

Taking the boss to a center sketon from now on

[quartz pond]

if the frontal is covering the escape route, the back of the boss should be safe to just wait.

[whole vortex]

Yeah, obviously

[quartz pond]

but then again u can tank 1 dot and pop CDs, if DPS get it then its doomed.

[whole vortex]

Idunno, that dot ticks like a motherfucker in a +17

[quartz pond]

I say that cuz I bungled it up on my 17 too 😄

and got the dot once.

[whole vortex]

[quartz pond]

but it was ok

[whole vortex]

Maybe if I had shield wall ready

But I used it to make it easier for healer on double void fiend

We got overlapping aoe explosion

[sage granite]

Hi guys in the latest pin it mentions using "IV". What is this referring to? It does not appear on the glossary https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/glossary-terms

[whole vortex]

So learned two things, stagger pulling the void bois, goo is bigger than it looks

Impending Victory

[quartz pond]

Impending Victory

[sage granite]

oh yeah ofc, forgot the name of that ability but use it all the time

ty

[whole vortex]

I use it a lot as fury, very little as prot

[quartz pond]

oh I use it a bunch

[tawdry dirge]

anyone running that rubyshell trinket? what training you guys did go for?

haste?

[whole vortex]

Train it for ST seems to be the current consensus

The buff is unpredictable, ST damage is consistent

AoE damage seems to be underwhelming

[tawdry dirge]

fair

haste buff seems also bit random and 16% uptime is not giga imo vs a hoof that give u fat haste fix

[spice orbit]

Any opinions on Breath of Neltharion? I assume it's channeled and hinders us from using abilities?

[blazing condor]

yeah that long of a channel is not gonna be fun

[spice orbit]

There are channels in the game that allow you to cast during them, see brewmaster

Just wanted to make sure :<

cause I heard it has a sweet flamethrower animation

[south patrol]

Sure it’s been said multiple times but what is the optimal % of stats should I be shooting for

[tulip kelp]

100%

[amber siren]

Any stat is a good stat, so ilvl is king

Bar some exceptions like tier or trinkets

[whole vortex]

I miss breath of neltharion only because it looked sweet to hold shield up and burn the shit out of everything in front of you

[queen iron]

Hello, haven't played since legion, uses to tank with protection warrior, mainly m+. Is there a good YouTube guide that I can watch to refresh my memory ?

[sick sentinel]

for 1 min M+ tips i watch Quazii WoW for warrior guide i dont know any sry

[uncut notch]

Boys

Does this season suck

[whole vortex]

No

It's fun

[uncut notch]

I enjoy academy but all the other dungeons are lame imho

• I think the affix is super sad

I’ve become a raid enjoyer for the first time in years

[torpid fiber]

I think the returning dungeons are really lame except for court tbh

[real ocean]

So ruby whelp actually good now?

[blazing condor]

better than previously thought at least

[ionic fern]

This week? o.o Affixes are pretty free.

[uncut notch]

no, thundering

[ionic fern]

Pretty chill.

[warm plinth]

Making spark items on woyer

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

only have enough chaos for 2 though pepehands

[ionic fern]

I wish i could send chaos and primals to my alts.

[warm plinth]

same

[ionic fern]

I got so much. 😦

Could get my alt all the 418 gear.

[warm plinth]

All the gearrrr

[blazing condor]

just spam dungeons all day

[warm plinth]

376 on woyer now 😮

[ionic fern]

I do.

On my main.

[blazing condor]

pog

[ionic fern]

Blizzard just hates people playing alts.

[blazing condor]

got a spot in your cool m+ team for one more

[ionic fern]

😦

[blazing condor]

tank that is

[ionic fern]

We're not cool.

[blazing condor]

you are to me

[ionic fern]

We're running a feral druid and a evoker DPS.

So....

[blazing condor]

and a prot wa- nvm we're meta now

[ionic fern]

Je. 😦

Nerf when.

Plz Blizz.

[blazing condor]

well as long as you're having fun

Protection warrior: Shield block now redirects the blocked damage to another party member instead of mitigating it

there, fixed

[real ocean]

Awesome

Now I can kill my pugs

[ionic fern]

Reminds me of this:

[orchid frigate]

yes

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

That was my initial reaction.

But then i was reminded that Intervene has a range.
The feral ran out of my Intervene range.

😂

[warm plinth]

Did he move too far away ro something?

hahaha

[real ocean]

Big brain

[blazing condor]

[covert vector]

eh boys, offtopic but; is there a discord for wow economy, like actuall goldspots etc we got liek on reddit? 😮

[blazing condor]

not that i know of

[covert vector]

damn, thanks 😉

[ionic fern]

Google: "WoW Economy discord".

[covert vector]

ehhh that was to easy.

[ionic fern]

Most things are.

[covert vector]

imagine i didnt think about that, god im dumb, sorry.

[ionic fern]

It's fine - that's why i'm a moderator.

Because i remember google.

[blazing condor]

can confirm

for 10 years i thought it was called hoggle

[ionic fern]

Nope..Hogger.

[blazing condor]

thanks moderator

[ionic fern]

You're welcome.

People always ask "Mwahi check my logs, Mwahi teach me to play".

But no one is asking "Mwahi, can i check your logs? Do you need help in how to play?"

😦

[blazing condor]

ive checked up on your logs dw

[median tulip]

People who know about Haste and GCD; am I right in thinking that 20% Haste is the point at which you can go Revenge every 4th cast and keep up the 2pc buff, and 50% is theoretically how much it would take to go 5 GCDs?

[ionic fern]

Info plz. 😦

[blazing condor]

more blocked%

[ionic fern]

Thanks.

[sick sentinel]

Is battering Ram speed boost bugged? Oh...attack speed...doh....

[blazing condor]

otherwise looks good im just now beating some of your damage logs that you did like 2 weeks ago

[ionic fern]

😦

I knew i sucked.

[blazing condor]

blue name more like bad game

r

[pallid quiver]

Have you tried looking at your rage generated, looking at how much rage was wasted, then going "smh"?

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[blazing condor]

idek whatd be considered "good"% of rage wasted

[median tulip]

Went to look at my logs to see what I needed to improve:

[pallid quiver]

any amount of rage wasted means "smh"

[blazing condor]

true

i seem to be hovering around 3% wasted

[ionic fern]

We won't be doing HC anymore so you can beat all my logs there. 😦

[blazing condor]

i have stepped into raid once this far

did 1st boss

took the trinket and dipped

that's gonna be my raid journey lol

[median tulip]

First boss is a loot Pinata

I question why they put Eranog into the game and then put SBG into the rotation, when it has the exact same mechanic

[ionic fern]

Stepped into raid once and already beating me.

Plz 😦

Don't make me feel even worse.

[blazing condor]

im not beating any raid parses im sure

i got like a 91 lol

had a whoppin 31k dps on eranog

[ionic fern]

Y u bully me

.

[blazing condor]

something about disrespecting authority i guess

[ionic fern]

THIS.

[blazing condor]

ya in like 18 keys

it was meant as a compliment

🙂

you were doing better with worse gear (i assume) 2 weeks ago

[glacial skiff]

Anyone know if the spell reflection weak aura works only for spells targetted on you? i remember in SL it would often show spells not targetted on you which was kind of a bummer

[unreal lily]

Hey guys I crafted the shield of molten hearth and the frost fire belt: I don't have the fire ring. Should I stop using the belt and craft lariat or does it not matter that much?

[atomic inlet]

hey guys where do u think i shoud put my valors in to?

[glacial skiff]

Lariat is v strong, i would go with it

[unreal lily]

Ok thank you!

[blazing condor]

402 ring is a good pick

also cheap

[exotic rapids]

Is the Lariat proc depending on qualitiy not ilvl?

[steep wraith]

Where is the ruby whelp shell discussion?

[exotic rapids]

or is the tooltip bugged?

[unreal lily]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947

[atomic inlet]

is that a good opyion for even m+?

cause my only prio is m+

[steep wraith]

Tooltip bug

Armory shows lower value than in game

[exotic rapids]

thx

[blazing condor]

Yeah the cos ring is great

[tacit gorge]

u would replace the 389 Azure Dmg Proc Ring with anything above 400?

[blazing condor]

sim it

[broken tusk]

any advice on how to survive the last pull before sha in temple on 18+ keys?

if spell block goes down

i get fucking destroyed

[real ocean]

Run

[broken tusk]

is it a spell block into kite angle?

ok

[hardy snow]

how can i check dmg done during vanguard determinetion active in logs? I was trying weighted damage, but couldnt make it work

[real ocean]

Pretty much a kite angle. The dark claw thing will melt your face

[spice radish]

you can make 2 steps away from the pack every time minions try to hit you with dark claw

no need to kite

[broken tusk]

so i can stagger them?

or just avoid it entirely

[real ocean]

Thats basically kitting tho, at least how i Unterstand the term

[ionic fern]

Kite.

[spice radish]

its natural to make small movements on this pack coz of the floor mechanic

[broken tusk]

is moving it out into the courtyard better to have more room?

[spice radish]

so make 1 step further every time is casts it

[broken tusk]

and just go in circles

[spice radish]

noonon

you dont wanna go too far

you want to be hitting the pack 24/7

[broken tusk]

ok

[blazing condor]

in pugs its fine to be in courtyard

for the runback

if you think people gonna die

[real ocean]

Yea

[spice radish]

you gonna have 2 sets of smallies if you kite it outside

[broken tusk]

then we all die

gotcha

ok

cause like i had a good run now on 18, was gonna 2 chest

0 deaths

we get to that pack

18 deaths

XD

[spice radish]

the only reason

you face tank

the beginning on this pack

[broken tusk]

with spell block up

[spice radish]

is to kill the little sha

once the little sha is dead

[broken tusk]

can't i just tank it with spell block for the entire 20 sec?

and then run

[spice radish]

you can do w/e you want

but

careful with aggro

kinda yeah you can

even in a 26 spell block is enough to face tank for 20 sec

just make sure sha is dead before you do any movement

otherwise will oneshot random ppl

[broken tusk]

ok

[spice radish]

let me see if i can find a good clip

to show you what i mean with stepping away and then back in

[broken tusk]

is it just to outrange dark claws?

i was too optimistic this pull and i had shield wall + cocoon on me in the opener

still died

lol

[blazing condor]

Dont forget you can reflect claws as well

[broken tusk]

yeah i know but if they are staggered it can be a bit tricky cause you only get 1

but i tried it out on the solo packs

and it worked wonders

[spice radish]

twitchis kinda buggy

but try to check this

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1703277429

02:27:53

[broken tusk]

thanks!

[spice radish]

when i get double darkclaw

[broken tusk]

ah i see

you also use it as an opportunity to charge for more rage?

or was that a shield charge

[spice radish]

normal charge

shield charge im always using to stop things

might even hold it for a few seconds just to make a stop

[broken tusk]

and the build you are running

no shockwave with disrupting shout

is that to have more interrupts without relying in stuns?

[tidal barn]

is burgeoning seed any good?

[glacial skiff]

Anyone know how to apply an aura search for uses while under a certain buff? I'm trying to look at wcl and determine how many of my shield slams are within shield block

[glacial skiff]

That's what i checked, but i don't see shield block as an option for some reason

Not sure if i can add it somehow or not

[spice radish]

shockwave is okish, but we have 2 tauren stuns and a dh, so its kinda overkill to run shockwave on dungeons you dont make huge pulls.

also shaman can go cap totem

[broken tusk]

makes sense if you have that many yeah

[spice radish]

i also never play with stormbolt

coz of rogue

[lyric geode]

Stormbolt to be honest is a dead talent

For me a Tauren

[weary saddle]

i use Storm Bolt as an extra interrupt

[spice radish]

its better to have the target in kidney that storm bolt

[lyric geode]

Is there a cap of stuns you can use?

Sometimes stormbolts doesnt work

[spice radish]

yeah you can make 3 stuns

[weary saddle]

i use it more for interrupt not for stun

[spice radish]

yes, but if you play with a rogue, rogue can use kindey for better results

[lofty widget]

but what if there is more than 1 mob

[tulip arrow]

quick question what element of gem should i use for my lariat as prot ?

[blazing condor]

eh i fw not playing storm bolt

you got like 4 stuns yourself

[weary saddle]

I only pug, so ... if u assume u have another teammate rogue then by that logic u can forego many talents

[spice radish]

yap

[lyric geode]

I see pro rogues are stunning mobs with doing decent damage.

[blazing condor]

impossible

everyone knows you gotta pad 1000% to be able to perform

no interrupts

or stuns

thats dps loss

[lyric geode]

I told my dk friend to reroll as rogue.

[weary saddle]

i only pug so i cannot have expectations. i even take disrupting shout.

[dusk hinge]

Naowh is doing a 20+ COS with no armor equipped, 207iLvl XD

[lyric geode]

He has a rogue for pvp

[dusk hinge]

right now

Pwar OP ? x)

[lyric geode]

Dk or warrior?

[dusk hinge]

warri