Worst case you could do a vault key and throw bodies at the trash packs until you clear it
#protection
tulip kelp
graceful kite
I want to gear my pala just to interrupt in rlp
tulip kelp
Second boss has been nerfed plus its fort.. its ez
true hound
Rotating defensives it would be doable, but as you said. Would need a good healer and some pumper dps
tulip kelp
You can pretty much solo it with people throwing bodies at it lol
true hound
Yeah. Should be fine for me, but the rest of the group gotta survive too
strong forum
Storm dragon might be a wall
Fire is worse
tulip kelp
Yep
graceful kite
True
tulip kelp
Fire easy skip tho
true hound
I always skip fire. Fuck that mob
cinder storm
Have you seen pugs using living bombs on adds? spoiler alert, they dont 
graceful kite
Have you seen pugs using living bombs on adds? spoiler alert, they dont <:keks:9...
Yep
true hound
Stoked to get back to my monk for a bit when 10.0.5 release
strong forum
Monk is looking to be insane in 10. 0.5
They're already good now, hard but good, especially in raid
true hound
Just did a NO 16 with pugs on my 385 ilvl monk and I was living on the edge the entire dungeon
strong forum
Monk is aoe King
cinder storm
Spin 2 Win
true hound
Equinox posted that he broke 100k overall recently 😂
strong forum
Yup
graceful kite
Equinox posted that he broke 100k overall recently 😂
He broke it like a week ago
Or two
In aa
With 400k dps on tree trash
true hound
Ah alright, I just had it sent to me today
graceful kite
I do 70-80
true hound
Saw nerf earlier doing 75k overall in aa +19 as 4man, boosting his monk that was sitting afk at entrance 😂
They timed it.
grizzled chasm
75k in aa is normal
im doing something wrong then
tulip kelp
Lol ditto
graceful kite
strong forum
It's been a while since I did AA, I did like 63k with 393ish ilvl I think
true hound
Big
tulip kelp
I just timed a 19 but was like 60K overall.. I guess I need to pull more
strong forum
Do you have a log?
tulip kelp
How do I do more damage then? lol
grizzled chasm
badge af 😦
stiff gate
dragon games equipment any good? just looted it at 405, have a fully upgraded whetstone and 395 alltotem not sure if its more damage than alltotem or if double on use is even worth at all
limpid pawn
anyone here have a custom loop pc build?
strong forum
Dragon games is solid ye
true hound
Nerfs route was nice. Shroud skip for all mobs on the bridges that you barely can pull more than one pack at a time as they have too many casts
strong forum
Gets outclassed by raid trinkets and whetstone but is aight
graceful kite
It doesnt work for me sometimes
stiff gate
yeah whetstone is cracked i already have that at 415, was mostly looking at the 2nd slot since i just have a normal raid trinket
strong forum
For m+ you're better off running whetstone + all totem
tulip kelp
Cause I'm 408 2p.. not sure what else I could do to increase my dps by 50% if its the same pulls
strong forum
In raid games is bugged alot and it can't hit targets, but I heard they fixed that?
true hound
How much overall dps does your whetstone do?
strong forum
Cause I'm 408 2p.. not sure what else I could do to increase my dps by 50% if it...
CDs on CD, have big trinkets
415 whetstone should be around 3.5k dps in keys
stiff gate
How much overall dps does your whetstone do?
not sure on dps number but its typically between 5-10% of my damage in a key
strong forum
Meh
true hound
Alright, that's quite huge yeah. Not cache huge, but still a lot
strong forum
For all we know it's 35% lasher damage
And his group doing fuckall aoe on tree
Ykno
graceful kite
Tho in some dungeons it cant be used
strong forum
Boon is hard to use in m+ yeah need to have perfect timings
graceful kite
Boon is hard to use in m+ yeah need to have perfect timings
Its fine mostly
But in aa its useless
Gotta move all the time
Av i mean
strong forum
Boon is good in AA, just can't use it on flower pull
graceful kite
Yea i meant av
strong forum
Well yeah AV is low pull count
tulip kelp
Are you guys using shocking pots for those numbers?
strong forum
It's never gonna do good numbers in AV
true hound
graceful kite
I still like it
true hound
Rushing jade wind + cache = broken
graceful kite
Its fun to use
tulip kelp
Would love to see breakdown of those 75K+ AA runs and see what I'm missing
graceful kite
Would love to see breakdown of those 75K+ AA runs and see what I'm missing
What nome said
visual musk
Pull bigger
graceful kite
Cds on cd, bstance
tulip kelp
I do use CDs on CD, have whetstone, bstance whole instance except d stance during peck window
So what else is there lol
graceful kite
Use revenge, use clap
true hound
Probably well planned roars and ravages as well as more use of revenge and thunderclap. At least that's what I noticed looking at some of the top logs
strong forum
Hitting shit properly
tulip kelp
I use revenge and clap
tulip kelp
I probably use revenge too much
graceful kite
Probably well planned roars and ravages as well as more use of revenge and thund...
I roar and ravager on cd
tulip kelp
Ok I'll log next
strong forum
If you did do everything correctly you would do the dmg
So clearly you're missing shit
tulip kelp
Maybe casting IP too much
strong forum
Probably lower cpm
tulip kelp
How much hps do you guys do?
graceful kite
Depends
strong forum
That depends wildly on comp and success
graceful kite
20-30k?
strong forum
If you have omega dps blasters, you'll do less hps
graceful kite
Over 30maybe
strong forum
If you struggle and have a shit healer, you have more hps
graceful kite
But not much
strong forum
It's not 1 dimensional
It's a useless metric
For everybody
Way too many factors
graceful kite
What matters is how comfortable u are i think
If you dont spike like crazy and rotate your cds you will be fine no matter the hps
Rest ison your healer
modest grove
Guys guys question. Im new to wow, and after a month i started running m+ 10-14 and i’ve noticed players keep saying: you’re a prot warrior, pull more. You cannot die. And ok, i get it, they are exaggerating, but then I go check the best prot’s logs on warcraft logs, and I specifically check their Replay (example; first pull in Ruby Lifepools): I see the tank pulling 3 primal terrasentries, a chillweaver and 3earthshapers. The tank casts Ignore pain sometimes, not really spamming it, then after 20 seconds into the fight he finally casts shield wall, and after a while he decides to use avatar, spell reflection and shield block. No demo shout, just ignore paint, thunderclap and that’s it basically. Now, im asking myself how. On a +24 ruby lifepools with and 411 ilvl. Sounds hard but he makes it look easy. I feel im missing something, as a tank.
graceful kite
I dont think tank wasnt using anything untl 20seconds after the pull
Maybe u got something wrong?
modest grove
Maybe yes, i will recheck
slim dove
Guys guys question. Im new to wow, and after a month i started running m+ 10-14 ...
youd be surprised how little damage trash does when everything is stopped properly.
tropic tangle
You're checking logs from one of the best M+ players around. They have a coordinated group of other highly rated M+ players that have a plan going into the pull
modest grove
youd be surprised how little damage trash does when everything is stopped proper...
Kicked you mean?
slim dove
^
tulip kelp
Kicks and stuns
slim dove
Kicked you mean?
earthshapers can't be kicked 🙂
modest grove
You're checking logs from one of the best M+ players around. They have a coordin...
I see, it’s team played
tropic tangle
pugs won't ever have that level of coordination
graceful kite
Butpulling 3 packs in rlp is pretty normal
slim dove
sorry, stop is general term for interrupting an ability. Not every spell/ability is kickable.
cinder nova
Something's fucky about The Waking Shore.
graceful kite
They dont do much
cinder nova
I spent 1 hr in the On'haran Plains farming for Khaz'gorite and came up with like 6
modest grove
sorry, *stop* is general term for interrupting an ability. Not every spell/abili...
Ty for the info
cinder nova
But 1 hr in the Waking Shore got me 17 so far
slim dove
But 1 hr in the Waking Shore got me 17 so far
mountains are better for ore farming then plains
slim dove
1 lap of waking makes me 30+ khaz and usually 5+ awakened order.
cinder nova
Just higher density of nodes = more chances = more Khaz?
cinder storm
try wm on, no one really fights and I happen to find more nodes that way
graceful kite
I find a lot of ore on ah
zealous grove
Anyone can help me with the broodkeeper diurna heroic route? Any Weakauras or anything?
modest grove
Can you actually sap the Primal Juggernaut at the beginning of RL?
tropic tangle
doubt it, if they skipped it was probably shroud
cinder storm
Best node to overload on?
Not titanic, that one really sucks, often teleports me to a node I already visited
modest grove
doubt it, if they skipped it was probably shroud
Yeah they did
slim dove
Best node to overload on?
titan touched.
rousing order/awakened order are insane value.
with lucky rng/perception you can get 2 awakened off one node, 1-3k each depending on server
cinder nova
Isn't the AH across all realms now
royal rune
Link armor spike plz
cinder nova
Belt. Spike only works when you're tanking.
tender cove
Thoughts on going into WCL to look at top logs for raid bosses and copying their builds?
Thats what we were just asked in the guild and it just strikes me as very odd thing to ask the raiders or maybe im just old school?
cinder nova
Seeing what better players are doing is reasonable. Copying top logs is clownshoes. Lots of top-end DPS and tank parses are legit cheese and/or padding afforded by their guild.
odd nimbus
Belt. Spike only works when you're tanking.
now frost fire belt/fangs/laria select best two??
cinder nova
Belt/Lariat, but Belt/Fang is cheaper and barely a DPS loss.
tender cove
Seeing what better players are doing is reasonable. Copying top logs is clownsho...
That's a bit what I felt. The whole copy thing made me ask the question and there was a note about choosing a "non-cheese" log without stacked externals etc.
cinder nova
Example: lots of top parses drop SR in favor of other talents, which is usually a terrible choice because the minor gains are so trivial comparatively that you're blowing a hole in your foot.
tender cove
Yeh and won't it also depend on raid comp, strategy and execution in relation to our raid?
cinder nova
Eh, not as much as you think, no. Some fights require you to spec into specific stuff, but otherwise no.
For example, you could drop Indom to take Thunderlord for cleave on Council, and also lose Spiked for the extra bleed on all of them.
But you're losing a lot of stable survival.
It's just straight damage. Sure, you're obviously not wanting to waste resources on over-surviving, but some choices border on pretty extreme swings that rely more and more on your healers to keep you up.
tender cove
I dunno. Yesterday for example. They wanted to 3 tank the wind boss, while also asking me to pump max dps but I couldn't choose freely because they were depending on my shockwave/IS for the add side.
I dont and didn't mind it but it just felt like, shouldn't that be a dps thing?
cinder nova
Is this M?
tender cove
no...
cinder nova
lol
Why are they requiring stuns
The only thing you should be speccing is Improved Shout for the aoe silence
Then you kick the remainder and collapse it all
The callers spamcasting is trivial damage
tender cove
I asked what utility they wanted and the answer was shockwave.
cinder nova
And they should die very, very fast
Absolute clownshoes take.
If this is the unanimous, concerted voice of your raid team's leadership they're either ignorant or completely misunderstand the fatality of the mechanic topside
You also can 2-tank it very easily
tender cove
The callers spamcasting is trivial damage
the talk were "ppl are dying because not enough interupts".
cinder nova
People are probably dying to the stacking dot.
What's your stack count when you're leaving
tender cove
I dunno, i didnt really take damage unless i charged into a wind by mistake xD
I can check log though
cinder nova
Do you have a log of that night?
pseudo ridge
as embellishment you would prob get neck + belt
why is the embellishment shield not the best?
tender cove
Do you have a log of that night?
tender cove
xD
sonic eagle
Does anyone use Ruby Whelp Shell for tanking? unsure how to train it
cinder nova
The average cast of all your runs was 16.1K
There's no way that's fatal damage. You'd need all of them on one person to global them
tender cove
There's no way that's fatal damage. You'd need all of them on one person to glob...
I have no idea tbh, those 8 pulls were my first 8 and only pulls on that boss except a normal oneshot.
Honestly, i should have thought about it and made an argument for it myself but I just didn't think about it, was stressed and anxious about just not looking bad with 2 other tanks :x
dull zodiac
does it matter which rank the armor spikes are ?
does it only increase crafting difficulty or are they actually better at r3
tender cove
Why do they need 3 tanks wtf.
I think we're all 3 trialing, the dk might not be but not sure. They also want us to 3 tank the egg boss
cinder nova
Also unncessary.
median skiff
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but 418 shield > lariat? I already have mainhand
cinder nova
I dunno, 3-tank prog reinforces some dookie play behavior unless you're having to 3-tank some brutal Mythic prog in T200 races.
Beyond prog, who cares.
fathom robin
Lol?
slim dove
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but 418 shield > lariat? I already have mainh...
yes
tanking heroic brood solo was the first time all raid I felt like I had to actually play the game
short plover
instigate worth taking in m+?
tender cove
I dunno, 3-tank prog reinforces some dookie play behavior unless you're having t...
I try to contribute if i can but mostly, i'm just there to do my tank job and execute whatever the RL tells me. I very rarely argue unless I know 100% what i'm talking about.
I'm also sorta bad when its heroic and its multiple new bosses in one night. I dont really learn from watching a video, i need pulls to learn 😦
dark cosmos
everyone needs pulls to learn
tender cove
mmm, thats what I did for beta raid testing and I loved it tbh. Just go in there and figure shit out.
No pressure, no meta strategys etc
urban portal
3 tanking is underrated
tawny cypress
How do I do the CoS skip after 1st boss as Prot? Do I reflect the Supress? Can I out range the Supress?
tender cove
Overrated tbh
That mob is truesight but I heard (in a pug) "good rogues" can shroud it w/e that means. is it possible or only death skip as tank?
cinder nova
Yeah just be aware of when it drops field and make sure it doesn't occlude the stairwell
That's about it.
You can even kite it into the next pack, tbh
Just kick charging station so it doesn't heal
That is - the next pack.
It doesn't heal itself.
weary saddle
At Fenrir, we should stack for claw, and spread for leap?
cinder nova
Yes
mighty crater
Does anyone have a weakaura for tracking tier bonus?
cinder nova
Don't need to track it tbh.
weary saddle
I think the 12 yards is overestimated
12 yards is very narrow and often people 'stack' further apart
mighty crater
Ya I was just being lazy - thanks!
tawny cypress
I don't want to kill the Construct I want to skip it lol. Do you guys not know about the CoS skip where you solo run through mansion after 1st boss and die and open doors for party near dungeon entrance?
Classes that can drop combat can do it. Rogues, Hunters, Mages
foggy drift
You can also have a hunter run his pet through the wall
tawny cypress
Tanks can as well, but I'm not sure how since my group has no combat drop
So I'm asking how Prot War can do the skip
tender cove
Does anyone have a weakaura for tracking tier bonus?
The WA package Nom made tracks it.
I've seen that skip and scratched my head wtf they were doing. I even went into a normal to investigate but couldn't figure it out.
It looks like a nice skip tbh
tender cove
Seems like a weird skip
you can skip the construct and the firelady with the imps right at the door.
mighty crater
Those are easy % though no?
tender cove
And if you get lucky with toys, its kinda good, or at least it is in my head.
i actually think i watched plka do it
but cant confirm it 100%
tawny cypress
You pull big on harbor for forces and combine that with skipping a few pulls after 1st boss via skip described above. What this enables is more freedom to pull in area before 2nd boss. So you can get stuff normally skipped like Fel Orb buff (10% crit) and Fel Book buff (10% DR)
mighty crater
Yeah pulling bigger initially makes more sense because if you have a lot of profession luck it’s a big time waste to kill the devastators
But that’s RNG really
tender cove
But that’s RNG really
I've had runs where dps kept butt pulling like crazy and I went out of my way to skip shit only to have the most insane luck with toys and still ended up below %.
So yeh, not very consistent i would say but when it shines? It REALLY shines.
Whats going on with wow? Having daily restarts on eu now? We're back at launch week? xD
cinder storm
Those are easy % though no?
Assuming you are the only stun often means you can pull one imp pat right away
foggy drift
Any ideas on what to craft with sparks, I already have neck and shield crafted. My weap is also 405 so idk if it’s worth to wait until I can get a crafted weap better than 405
remote ore
Where is the spread sheet of things I can reflect in raid
mighty valley
Any ideas on what to craft with sparks, I already have neck and shield crafted. ...
None of the crafted items are super special
Just plug low ilvl items
tender cove
Where is the spread sheet of things I can reflect in raid
pins or the wa?
remote ore
I can't find it anymore
mighty valley
Only exception is the fire belt to match with the raid ring
tender cove
I can't find it anymore
look harder?
mighty valley
I can't find it anymore
it's five posts down, post by Sense
foggy drift
Only exception is the fire belt to match with the raid ring
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
Ty
tender cove
Why is wow having daily restarts? Are their devs competence level on "lets reboot the servers once per day, that surely will fix things"??
torn pebble
tender cove
it is a restart, it will be up in 30-35 min, like it has since launch
tired forge
I can make the belt
i assume i can jsut get the 415 tier easily once the thing comes out in 2 weeks?
yes no maybe so?
im about to click the ring lol
gleaming cloak
I'd say take ring. You're right catalyst comes out soon and you can just use it on any other m+ pants you have at a nice ilvl but you can't guarantee another ring depending on rng
gleaming cloak
What pants are you using now?
tired forge
right
mighty crater
Ring imo and wait for catalyst
gleaming cloak
I'd still say ring, just in terms of guaranteed reward and just being patient for pants
strong forum
That's the thing
tired forge
but w/e i can do the m+
mighty crater
Hard for a tank to get ring all the dps want it
spring scarab
You can't taunt on spiteful spirit things right?
tulip kelp
I’d take boon personally lol
crimson mural
what u guys suggest for a prot warrior to have as an alt?
keen epoch
hey guys, do u know a good and not 100k worth embelishment for 1h weap craft? (alchemy pocket it 100k :c)
spring scarab
what u guys suggest for a prot warrior to have as an alt?
I was gonna do arms as an alt spec but like whatever you enjoy if it's another character
crimson mural
I have no idea of what to alt or even have an alt
grave knoll
do you guys feel a big difference in establishing aggro on pulls with titanic throw talented?
lapis summit
Hey folks, I have a 402 Decoration of Flame, and a 402 Blazebinders Hoof. Both are listed as BiS (one from raid, one from m+). Which do you recommend? My other trinket is a 402 Ruby Whelp shell and Im assuming I should keep that slotted
grave knoll
Hey folks, I have a 402 Decoration of Flame, and a 402 Blazebinders Hoof. Both a...
ditch the shell
fallow osprey
about to do a +17 AV and usually i pull the whole first room with lust to include the stone mobs, is that gonna be ok with fort and grievous you think?
gleaming cloak
hey guys, do u know a good and not 100k worth embelishment for 1h weap craft? (a...
- Check the pins - the second pinned post has info on the embellishments. They are all fairly equal. I like lariat and shield.
- The flavor pocket for the food embellishment doesn't count as one of the two that you can use. So you ideally want to pick it up as a third embellishment eventually for QoL
tender cove
do you guys feel a big difference in establishing aggro on pulls with titanic th...
Yes and no. Some specific packs i like it but overall? It's not worth the talent point, for me at least. And I was previously a big fan of it.
tender cove
ditch the shell
Isn't shell potentially the new bis? just gotta train it for 7 days?
strong forum
Not bis
But alot stronger than previously known
One of the better trinkets to get
We have logs of it doing up to 5k dps in ST
But as 1rppm trinkets are, the procs aren't all evenly spread, you can get 10 procs in 3 minutes and then get 0 procs for 7 minutes
And the fact that it takes 7 days to train, really hinders the evaluation process of it
tender cove
Not bis
So if i have grieftorch, whetstone, hoof and decoration already, there's really no point to farm it?
strong forum
It can keep up with grieftorch
Emphasis on can
So it's potentially better than whetstone
tender cove
what is this?
strong forum
We have about 220 volunteers already, but more is always welcome
You can never have enough data
arctic marten
But as 1rppm trinkets are, the procs aren't all evenly spread, you can get 10 pr...
Isn't that exactly what people want, though? The best parses are not typical scenarios, but when players get exceptionally lucky with stuff like procs
strong forum
It's linked in the wowhead post under "what's next"
tender cove
We have about 220 volunteers already, but more is always welcome
I have it on my paladin and I deleted several on my warrior but used item restore 30 hours ago so gotta wait on warrior.
What do i need todo?
strong forum
Isn't that exactly what people want, though? The best parses are not typical sce...
Eh kinda and not kinda
It's good if it's in your favour, it's frustrating if the only reason why you didn't get R1 is because the R1 got god tier rng procs
Bfa had that heavily with infinite stars
Where it had swings of 30% of your dmg done up to 70% of your dmg done
With just rng
Same with twilight devastation
urban portal
yeah
but raid parsing has all been rng anyways
top players play so close to each other that a couple crits can swing parses
strong forum
What do i need todo?
Just provide your findings and feedback/logs + weightings
In the Discord linked in the post
strong forum
top players play so close to each other that a couple crits can swing parses
Eeeeeh
With how gearing is since SL
It's not been this close
strong forum
Well dps parses, maybe sure
But not tank parses
99 -> 100 are usually much much larger gaps than 90 -> 99
Because of cheese
strong forum
99->100 is almost entirely just cheese or padding in 1 way or the other these days
Atleast in the farm phase
urban portal
depends on the fight but ye
strong forum
Won't take long before you'll see the "got 10 PIs from 3 priests" parses
For dps specs
And like 3 blessings of winter
urban portal
for sure
chrome falcon
But not tank parses
thank god that dude that got like 5 PIs every kill on pwarr is gone
strong forum
Boost fell off yeah
chrome falcon
but so many people play this class now that parsing higher than 95 feels unachievable for my washed up brain 
strong forum
Que?
I've been getting 99s left and right
Only reason why I get 98s now on HC is cuz im low ilvl
😦
chrome falcon
i haven't done anything other than diurna/razza on hc in a few weeks
strong forum
Makes sense
chrome falcon
and i'm boss duty on diurna so that ain't happening
strong forum
Yeah.. I was on adds
strong forum
For higher ranks I need better kill times and ilvl
But im 98.9 average with pug groups, good enough
chrome falcon
i got a pretty good terros parse when we killed that
but my aoe dps does not seem to do well
i'm blasting on ST but
wait i'm not even blasting on ST
fallen pulsar
for heroic brood, if you tank brood do you rely on tons of externals to live through all the busters?
strong forum
Ya I suck at padding aoe
chrome falcon
i got rank 13 on terros last week and rank 192 this week wtf am i doing
chrome falcon
for heroic brood, if you tank brood do you rely on tons of externals to live thr...
no just block
strong forum
for heroic brood, if you tank brood do you rely on tons of externals to live thr...
When I was boss tank I didn't, no
I got like 2 barks maybe? Total
Rest was just me
chrome falcon
block and press SW or DS for every buster
strong forum
You have SW for every 2nd buster, first few ones you don't need to use any CDs
Then just pump idk
chrome falcon
ok i didn't realise i was getting out dps'd by so many fotm rerollers
jesus christ
i need to sort myself out
strong forum
Whetstone/grieftorch are massive
tender cove
Nom. I dont get this line: "These are denoted by six currencies in-game, tied to your character. Getting a new Ruby Whelp Shell, upgrading Ruby Whelp Shell with valor or vendoring Ruby Whelp Shell does not change the training."
Does it mean I can only use 6 trainings total and never change it? Or can I have 6 in each?
Because on warrior, i've randomly just used the trinket.
tender cove
So it just overwrites if you keep doing it in one spec?
mighty valley
if you do something that isn't its main training, it deducts one from the 6 and puts it into whatever training
strong forum
We're still in the process of finding out how exactly it removes old uses
mighty valley
so you can do 6 of something else to retrain it if you really want to
edgy roost
what embellishment would you guys use if you had to pick one?
weary saddle
I'm intrigued that Whetstone is so good for the CD, when it loses so much STR as fixed stat. Is the CD pop really so worth it?
tender cove
We're still in the process of finding out how exactly it removes old uses
I checked the script and never used it once on pally. And I have more crit than haste. Is there anything specific you want to find out? I can just train it in w/e, dont care about pally that much. For science xD
strong forum
I'm intrigued that Whetstone is so good for the CD, when it loses so much STR as...
Yes, it does massive dmg
chrome falcon
I'm intrigued that Whetstone is so good for the CD, when it loses so much STR as...
the on use does like twice as much as it should
it's absolutely ridiculous
strong forum
415 whetstone does on average 3.5k dps
strong forum
Hardly any other trinket can do that
chrome falcon
compare these terros logs
i use dragon games equipment 3 times
it does about 600k damage
other guy uses whetstone 3 times
it does over 1 million
ON SINGLE TARGET
chrome falcon
i'm trying to figure out
why this dude did so much more dps than me
and i guess it's basically just trinkets??
edgy roost
what does more damage armor spikes or fang adornments
strong forum
I checked the script and never used it once on pally. And I have more crit than ...
Go check out the Discord we have tons of people reporting their mode stuff and logs
strong forum
what does more damage armor spikes or fang adornments
Both do the same
weary saddle
but my question is whether the loss of fixed stat means the protwar is weaker in some way. isnt there a compromise mathematically due to the loss of stat
strong forum
Sim it 
weary saddle
if u have less strength, many other things are weaker right
chrome falcon
whetstone is turbo stupid
strong forum
That's just a pure sim question
But whetstone is strong enough to easily make up the loss of Str
ornate thunder
It always sims higher for me at similar if not lower ilvl
weary saddle
but u are comparing damage.
what if u compare defensive abilities. is whetstone a weaker option for defensive. assuming u wear a stat stick with strength. the additional strength is better defensively
strong forum
Doesn't matter enough
chrome falcon
do you know what's the strongest defensive
it actually makes you totally immune
killing the mobs
strong forum
It's not a huge loss defnesively
Cuz you want some mastery on your gear
So whetstone helps a bit in that regard
ornate thunder
Why would you worry about defensive, everyone is running around like it’s Ferris bullets day off in bs all the time. There’s literally 3 places in the dungeons it matters all noted (in the pins) for magic dmg which STR isn’t stopping
strong forum
Pmuch
weary saddle
yes that is pretty true
strong forum
Getting 3% more Str instead of 3% mastery and lose like 1.5k dps instead
Is just irrelevant amounts of "defensiveness"
ornate thunder
Literally two bosses and two trash packs where it matters at all
ornate thunder
I think what we say is “check the pins”
ornate thunder
Okay 3 but the one isn’t a huge deal
strong forum
So it should be alot more manageable now without buff abuse
Yeah tjs is a Spellblock dungeon
100%
chrome falcon
a spellblock dungeon?
think it's the spellblock dungeon
where else do you bring it
fallow osprey
any particular lust timings for RLP fort?
tender cove
Can someone link the troll WA for grieftorch? I want to troll people in my raid with it xD
strong forum
AV and RLP
fallow osprey
maybe big beginning pack
chrome falcon
giga pull first
2 or 3 packs and BL that
then uhh
probably some shit upstairs
then last?
strong forum
First pull, then the firedrake
chrome falcon
AV and RLP
why do you like it in AV
strong forum
Shards, 2nd boss, last boss
chrome falcon
i guess you don't really sacrifice anything
strong forum
There are alot of magic busters in there
chrome falcon
TaN kinda mid anyway
strong forum
Naaah it's not mid at all
chrome falcon
but shards and 2nd boss you don't have to get hit by
chrome falcon
idk
strong forum
Especially just for last boss
chrome falcon
i feel like you very rarely have to get hit by arcane cleave but
yeah last boss is
fucking horrible
sick sentinel
apparently vaults has a lot of frontals
chrome falcon
vault fucking blows
sick sentinel
and my gm doesn't like it, and "buff deathstirke by 50%" he says
chrome falcon
i do not like that instance at all
strong forum
Ton of em
chrome falcon
like
HoV and vault feel like the only dungeons where timer actually matters
every other dungeon if you don't wipe you're fine
but hov and vault are so tight
sick sentinel
+50% healing for deathstrike he says he wants lol
chrome falcon
if we're on single target during avatar do we ever revenge if TC is up
to proc SoF
or do you just send SS->TC until you miss a SS proc
tender cove
I want to know this too ^^
Cuz i thought it was only stronger on 2 targets.
void marten
can someone share their fortified algethar route
chrome falcon
i also kinda wonder how insane does our attack speed get
with BL+battering ram+wild strikes
how often do we melee
because when i have all that attack speed i feel like i can SS 3-4 globals in a row sometimes
tender cove
Ohh, i forgot to ask this the other day when it happened. was doing academy and one of the trash for vex teleported off map, down the mountain on the side. Both kept us in combat and prevented vex from even spawning.
Took us a good couple minutes to figure out where the mob was and then we all had to jump and die on it for it to reset.
Any idea why it just yeeted itself off the map? Happened to anyone else?
chrome falcon
no that's very odd
sick sentinel
if you record footage like with outplayed like i do, send it to blizzard plz
because devs can view it frame by frame and ID the problem
chrome falcon
i had a very fun bug in algethar
tender cove
I haven't streamed in weeks now. I just play different when i do for some reason, sometimes good, sometimes it makes me play terrible cuz I know people "are watching" when in reality, nobody is watching xD
chrome falcon
we were going tree->wind miniboss->vex
sick sentinel
i often have a very big fun in academy
chrome falcon
but our pug healer went to bird after wind miniboss
chrome falcon
and you can't take the air ramp back if you go to bird
sick sentinel
eveyone likes going to school (academy) even though they say they hate it
chrome falcon
AND you can't jump off the edge to die
so the pug had to suicide to the bird trash
but after he released the bird trash just followed him back to spawn
so he would just release and insta die
and we had to spend 2 mins running all the way back to the start 🙂
chrome falcon
any recc talents for raz
just the usual stuff it's a very easy fight on the tanks
you don't need spell block or battle-scarred
tender cove
and you can't take the air ramp back if you go to bird
I had this issue as well. I wanted to clear trash for vex while waiting for hero timer after tree boss. 2 dps went to bird and just couldn't get back...super frustrating.
Didnt know the bird would follow if they tried to die. We just decided to screw hero and went back but good to know birdie will hunt your entire team as punishment xD
sick sentinel
what dungeon do you never want to run spell block on, i leave it on for many and switch between spell block and tan often
chrome falcon
no i mean it was definitely a bug
he died to the birds and insta released
and they just snapped onto him at the start of the instance
and then never reset
(he flamed us and ragequit the key even though it was entirely his fault for going the wrong way 🙂 )
sick sentinel
i like spell block on a large trash pack like start of dungeon if its needed, feels right to me.
tender cove
(he flamed us and ragequit the key even though it was entirely his fault for goi...
I find this mentality in pugs a lot. People can't handle the pressure off being singled out and would rather just leave in rage(shame) while blaming everyone else 😦
chrome falcon
when i solo ruin a key i just alt f4 and go to bed
tender cove
I dont even comment on stuff anymore to avoid bricked keys for such reasons
tender cove
when i solo ruin a key i just alt f4 and go to bed
Same, i just silently leave in shame haha
sick sentinel
arguing dps is like fighting dogs, don't get between them or they'll attack you and then split
only ever makes it worse if you take sides of mage or hunter.... if that persons top dps and doesn't die, sure some credit
tight ravine
Does anyone macro Blazebinders hoof trinket with something or you just randomly use it?
chrome falcon
you should line it up with avatar
tender cove
Does anyone macro Blazebinders hoof trinket with something or you just randomly ...
macrod to avatar.
tight ravine
ok ty
tender cove
I should rephrase that lol... "I" macro it to avatar, doesn't mean its good or optimal.
It could be, but yeh. I dunno. I cba to press 3-4 buttons on every burst....
chrome falcon
you should just always use with it avatar i think
sick sentinel
when i was using that, i think i was also doing i think its battering ram but its to the left of shield charge, that increases attack speed and range i think?
i could be mistaken, often am, but it seemed like this was a good time to do the trinket more easy to get stacks quicker
frozen silo
Yeah tjs is a Spellblock dungeon
Do you bring spellblock on other dungeons or just tjs?
sand drum
no reason to be in Dstance?
have not swaped since launch
chrome falcon
if it's killing you go defensive stance
sand drum
and even in SL I did not
sand drum
if it's killing you go defensive stance
👋 hi matta :>
yeyeye
is it not that point we spam more rage ? 🤔 ?
chrome falcon
sup
?
how does rage factor into it
uh
if he's dying
he should be in defensive stance
that's not even a discussion
link me logs
sand drum
spam more to get indom and leech rolling ? :p
chrome falcon
let me judge this person
sand drum
sry im sleepy as well :c
fallow osprey
no key (or any teamsport) has been improved by people getting in an argument mid-activity
chrome falcon
sometimes it's fun 🙂
fallow osprey
lol
deft socket
cobalt ring better than malandrus ring?
chrome falcon
stable valve
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9AmkYrJxjqHRL1zy#fight=15&type=damage-done
first raz log, feels real good
void bramble
Whats the belt enchant peeps are using?
chrome falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9AmkYrJxjqHRL1zy#fight=15&type=damage-done
...
yo damn
popping off
stable valve
feels bad though
stable valve
grieftorch 5k dps okok
some of them may die, but that is a risk that I'm willing to take
stable valve
grieftorch 5k dps okok
I need the fucking welpling to replace boon
stable valve
what is this sir
that's me being a fucking dumbass and not switching back
chrome falcon
oh you were switching for the buster?
stable valve
honestly at this point I need a WA that yell's at me
stable valve
~1-2 times a fight
Just w/ the overlap with the tempest ring right before
gonna get a WA that calls me a lil bitch over and over while dstance is active
This isn't even the first time I've fucked myself too lmao. I cry everytime
severe hatch
Does shockwave not work on Raz sparks?
sand mason
rumbling ruby or eranog trinket? both 402
chrome falcon
Does shockwave not work on Raz sparks?
Sure it does why wouldn’t it
radiant path
What do you guys think the best Embellishment reagent is to add to an armor piece? Well fed, thick spikes, or the potion one? I mainly do M+
chrome falcon
Well fed doesn’t count
radiant path
Huh?
Oh, you're talking about one of the 2 unique's you can have
I actually thought that all of the reagent ones didn't count. But looking at it now, I can see that they do haha. I guess I'm going with the well fed since I already have 2 unique embellishments
Thanks!
tender cove
I actually thought that all of the reagent ones didn't count. But looking at it ...
You are late to the party... I think i bought mine for 5-10k... Wanted one for my paladin recraft on shield. Dude wanted 5 for commiusions. Mats were like 11k...
That alchemy shit now costs 135k on my realm xD
crimson snow
sand mason
anyone know how to avoid getting stuck in combat on the bird boss playform with spiteful?
crimson snow
is it worth losing speed for the ilvl?
vestal mica
what does warrior have that counts as mitigation for a magic dot? trying to figure out why 2 different tanks have extremely different mitigation on the council pillars
warm plinth
is it worth losing speed for the ilvl?
No tertiaries are worth losing ilevel for.
crimson snow
thank you @warm plinth
warm plinth
what does warrior have that counts as mitigation for a magic dot? trying to figu...
Basically everything except Shield Block. Ignore Pain, Shield Wall, Demo Shout, Spell Reflection, etc
vestal mica
Basically everything except Shield Block. Ignore Pain, Shield Wall, Demo Shout,...
should have clarified: specifically on logs i.e. ignore pain is absorb
forgot about demo shout
strong forum
Damage reduction like CDs still count towards mitigation in logs
It's just not a visible bar on the healing meter
north dew
Hey Guys, the 2 set and 4 set bonus, is it worth it for me as m+ playing to hunting for? or is the overall gain for mythic plus not so high?
Protection Warrior
strong forum
The gain is higher in m+ than in raid
Cuz the 4pc absorb leech, which enables brutal vitality, obv gets better the more overall dmg you deal
stoic pilot
does anyone have a log of the ruby whelp shell that's fully trained in aoe?
curious but everyone i see has multiple casts of everything
strong forum
Haven't seen any yet, no
north dew
@strong forum so your opinion is that is worth it right? dammed then i have to farm Heroic Raid 😄
strong forum
Must have
north dew
thank you for your advise
strong forum
You can push 24s without it, but it does make it easier
north dew
me and my grp are in 20-21ish keys at the moment
but no one have tier set at the moment from my grp 😄
strong forum
In 2 weeks catalyst unlocks, then you can turn your normal items into tierset little by little
strong forum
^ some dps tier is 12% dps
I think enha tierset is literally 20%dps gain
And enha is one of the most broken dps specs
north dew
wow 20% sounds rly OP
strong forum
Yeah it's way out of line
Blizz said they don't want to make powerful and gameplay changing tiersets
Meanwhile enha and boomie exist
slim dove
4pce enhance is basically flat 10% haste
north dew
wow
slim dove
2pce is absurd resource gen
north dew
is the set good for hunter and rogue aswell?
strong forum
Bdk 4pc is 10% dmg and 10% haste with 90% uptime
slim dove
my buddy quit his cuz he was legit getting carpal tunnel playing it (enhance sham)
north dew
if yes, then my grp and me getting a good boost if they have 4 set
strong forum
Yes tierset for rogue and hunter is also quite large
Hunter also needs raszageth bow
That weapon is broken
Heroic rasza bow is like a 3k dps gain or something
strong forum
Heroic raid is very easy
Just don't stand in swirly and kill red
GG
Raszageth is a bit challenging
But rest are literally target dummies
fallow osprey
just had a group disband on first pull of temple. mage said tanks don't understand this dungeon because i pulled 1st pack, then second pack after a few seconds. said you ALWAYS take it one by one. true? i usually just keep the big elemental on a corner so party can LOS ripple
slim dove
Heroic rasza bow is like a 3k dps gain or something
iirc in a full BIS sim, a 405 raz bow outsimms a 421 bow by about 5k dps
fallow osprey
ya that's what i did :/
clever iris
ya that's what i did :/
mage is wack, not you
fallow osprey
hmm ok
i mean, i know it's a lot of dmg that goes out
especially with the on-death dmg from droplets
strong forum
Shouldn't deem dangerous if your healer isn't afk
Which is alot to ask from pugs
I tried to pug an rlp 15 yesterday, the healer couldn't even outheal grievous
fallow osprey
healer literally left mid pull lmao
strong forum
potent anvil
I think it's because packs were melting. It was a 14
:kekw:
I dunno though
My trinkets suck though
strong forum
Mh turns out my uptime isn't much higher on logs
I swear my uptime on it is usually around 80%
:squint:
potent anvil
Yeah, dunno. I'm crafting all crit/haste gear with my sparks
Not sure if it was worth making the shield, but 35-36% uptime for free vers isn't bad I suppose.
pallid hare
shield block only stacks to 24 sec right?
potent anvil
Yeah, I believe so
vague creek
does impending Victory get rid of grievous stacks
potent anvil
As in one stack? I dunno, but if you heal to 90% or higher you drop grievous. I think that's how it works... never paid attention
vague creek
Yeah as in one stack
I was just curious havent made it that high yet
just planning ahead
tender cove
does impending Victory get rid of grievous stacks
any direct heal removes one stack
strong forum
Not sure if it was worth making the shield, but 35-36% uptime for free vers isn'...
It's as good as any other embellishment
They're all 1% stats on average
strong forum
Lariat is 30% uptime on 3%
Allies bracers is 100% uptime on 1%
Shield of hearth should be 60% uptime on 1.5% vers
potent anvil
Now if only I can get whetstone 
tender cove
shield block only stacks to 24 sec right?
no, it goes higher.
potent anvil
I imagine cos ring is also kinda good, right?
tender cove
I just popped 2 SB and bolster. Made it 27 bit i was bit slow. so 28
strong forum
Bolster increases SB cap by 15seconds
So it's 3x SB duration + 15 during last stand
That is made so you can't overcap accidentally on SB by using Bolster and waste all of it
potent anvil
Also, what's the average SW cooldown with AM+impenetrable wall? Like a min?
strong forum
Ye 1min
strong forum
Not since SL
round cliff
i haven't played wow in 3 days 
how do i get my mojo back
strong forum
In SL they nerfed it after first legion timewalking m+
Because it was entirely uncapped, then they applied the bfa split dmg on it which was a huge nerf for aoe dmg
tender cove
How good is the cos ring? What ilvl higher ring beats it?
strong forum
That's a sim question
tender cove
same question for cobalt
tender cove
Is there a general sim that works? Or do i need like 9 of them with different timers, mob counts and lust/not lust?
round cliff
ur a tank just do dungeon slice
tender cove
dungeon slice is worst to use
strong forum
Technically speaking
round cliff
well u seem to know the answer already?? so do what ur heart tells u to do
strong forum
Since I did set up aoe sim somewhat truthfully in apl
tender cove
well u seem to know the answer already?? so do what ur heart tells u to do
I know what nom told me before. And now im asking again.
tawdry dove
so what gem do you guys use? Energized Ysemerald or Quick Ysemerald?
strong forum
Aslong as you don't sim trinkets with it, it should be somewhat aight to sim for stats and armor
toxic mesa
if something is an upgrade in single target, it's most likely an upgrade in aoe
i don't think there is much of scaling difference between stats in single target and aoe when it comes to prot dps
strong forum
so what gem do you guys use? Energized Ysemerald or Quick Ysemerald?
Double stat gems, I myself use crafty ysemerald
round cliff
Aslong as you don't sim trinkets with it, it should be somewhat aight to sim for...
is it bad to sim trinkets with it?
strong forum
Yes cuz I didn't setup trinket use around target count
tawdry dove
Double stat gems, I myself use crafty ysemerald
isn't vers stronger than crit though? and also i was wondering because the lariat procs around the element of the gem
strong forum
It just sends trinkets on CD
round cliff
ah
tender cove
if something is an upgrade in single target, it's most likely an upgrade in aoe
...
I've done a lot of different sims, not long ago I did a 6 sims, 3 different timers, 3 diff mob counts and with/withoutlust. Patchwerk.
I got 4 different combinations on what to use. Had to ask nom what to actually use
round cliff
i dont sim trinkets anyways cuz i don't get trinket drops lmaoooo
strong forum
isn't vers stronger than crit though? and also i was wondering because the laria...
Crit is more dmg than vers and technically better defensively
strong forum
i dont sim trinkets anyways cuz i don't get trinket drops lmaoooo
You can sim trinkets on patchwerk Sims, but not dungeon slice
potent anvil
Is it bad to drop bloodsurge for 1 point into bloodborne for more damage? Bloodsurge accounted for 11%~ of my rage generated in that key. I suppose that's kinda decent. Dunno.
strong forum
That is totally fine
tawdry dove
interesting, the site ive been using has vers better than crit
strong forum
Is it bad to drop bloodsurge for 1 point into bloodborne for more damage? Bloods...
Yes that is bad
Bloodborne is only a 1.5% dps increase per point
toxic mesa
I've done a lot of different sims, not long ago I did a 6 sims, 3 different time...
and how large were those differences? considering there's always some wiggle room in the sims
potent anvil
Oh
strong forum
One of the worst offensive talents
tender cove
and how large were those differences? considering there's always some wiggle roo...
1, 5, 10 mob count. cant remember times but smt like 2, 5, 6 and both with lust and without
potent anvil
@strong forum What would I drop if I wanted to pick up disrupting shout with your bis m+ build?
strong forum
Booming voice imo
potent anvil
potent anvil
True
strong forum
Show of force was ~1.5k dps worth of dmg on a 63k dps log from beta
So it's also not huge
potent anvil
Makes sense
tender cove
Booming voice imo
this been a talent i think much about.
How do you view demo with and without that talent?
At times, it feels like I'm "forced" to use it in the burst only to not have it in a rotation when I need it
strong forum
Technically speaking
strong forum
Even without booming voice, you should use it close to on CD
strong forum
is it justified to leave a key when someone has the ego to ninja pull and we wip...
I never leave a key as the first person, never
I strictly finish my key unless it's legit impossible to progress
potent anvil
Is sidearm better than barbaric training?
strong forum
12million %
tame jasper
I never leave a key as the first person, never
!
And wow pugs are getting toxic these days
onyx marsh
hey friends just read about the ruby whelp shell,, are yall going for the haste or dmg one
tender cove
12million %
do you think we will scale to the point its the best?
tame jasper
which had not make the key impossible
strong forum
You need extreme levels of haste
For BT to become playable
Making one of our core rotation buttons 50% less efficient is a crime
visual agate
top 4 favorite trinkets as prot GO
tawdry dove
so is vers better in raid and crit better in m+?
strong forum
Boon, grieftorch, whetstone and all-totem
strong forum
so is vers better in raid and crit better in m+?
Yes
visual agate
even after the new shell update?
tawdry dove
ah ok i mainly do raid so maybe I should go with the vers gem
visual agate
the ruby life shell... apparently it's as strong or stronger than grief
strong forum
Hard to put judgement on that yet
tender cove
You need extreme levels of haste
what levels we're talking?
strong forum
Unreachable levels
It's just a bad talent as it is right now
It'll leave you rage starved, unable to press IP often
And result in less SS resets
potent anvil
strong forum
Especially in low target situations
The rotation gets alot smoother if you don't have barbaric training
In very high target situations, because of bloodsurge, BT is playable
But as soon as you don't, it's awful
potent anvil
I trust your knowledge
strong forum
I mean you can just test vs dummies ye
tender cove
Nom, at what rage levels do you dump into IP? And can you overdump into IP? Obvs it will depend a bit on ravager and such but just a general guideline? Assuming 100 haste
strong forum
Doesn't take long to figure out that you barely press IP with BT talented
strong forum
Nom, at what rage levels do you dump into IP? And can you overdump into IP? Obvs...
I usually press IP at around 60 rageish
Sometimes earlier if I know I have an SS and TC ready
Usually SS resets every 2 or 3 globals
Rarely ever does it take more globals
tender cove
yeh, i suspected I was off a bit. Still struggling with overcapping, but now its more like, i dump so much, trying to prevent it, i get less revenges but also less overcapping
but it feels worse than overcapping, so going backwards i guess xD
tender cove
besides ravager, what heavily boosts our rage gens? Big pulls?
not thinking about LS talent
strong forum
Bloodsurge in big target count
potent anvil
Booming voice gives 30, so could overcap you if you don't dump and you're doing aoe pulls
tender cove
Bloodsurge in big target count
would it be possible to make your rage bar anticipate rage? Like pallies could anticipate holypower?
potent anvil
I default rage dump into IP. Revenge when I know I can spend without risking being able to sb and/or ip
strong forum
Getting hit, CDs, SS resets, bloodsurge, auto attack speed
potent anvil
I will say, though prot warr feels smooth. Fast gameplay like always
Love just being a wall all the time.
tender cove
ohh, wait, the pallies was for the leggo, divine tool.
So the equilvant would be to anticipate it for say, ravager or high bloodsurge counts?
potent anvil
My 385 prot warr does more damage than my 413 bdk in m+ :kekw:
strong forum
ohh, wait, the pallies was for the leggo, divine tool.
So the equilvant would be...
Ravager is guaranteed to be 60 rage
Bloodsurge is 10% chance on 5 rage proc
strong forum
My 385 prot warr does more damage than my 413 bdk in m+ :kekw:
Uhm, sounds like a skill issue
tender cove
so 6 rage per second during ravager?
strong forum
10 rage per tick
heady gyro
My 385 prot warr does more damage than my 413 bdk in m+ :kekw:
Shhhh you’re going to get us nerfed
strong forum
Nah Sam
potent anvil
Uhm, sounds like a skill issue
I mean in like 16-17s on my prot warr, I'm doing as much as I would on my dk on like 20-22s. So I imagine with gear it just transitions better.
strong forum
All tanks do roughly the same m+ dmg, outlier being brew doing more
potent gulch
Hi boys, so what's up with rfp whelp trinket ? Is Sims properly working with it?
strong forum
And bdk slightly less
potent anvil
And I'm running bloodshot, imp hs, and w/e else gives me more dmg
strong forum
Well yeah
zinc spruce
strong forum
Bdk only has 1 good build
zinc spruce
ITS WHAT HIS ABILITY IS CALLED
toxic mesa
im doing about the same dps on my 392 vdh without set bonuses as my 409 4pc prot wrarrior in m+, the warrior is obviously about 1000000000x tankier :d
strong forum
Hi boys, so what's up with rfp whelp trinket ? Is Sims properly working with it?
Not yet fully implemented
zinc spruce
😡 😡 😡
tender cove
All tanks do roughly the same m+ dmg, outlier being brew doing more
didnt brew get MASSIVE buffs now?
like massive?
strong forum
No
toxic mesa
and by same dps i mean 40kish in most dungeons
tender cove
No
Brewmaster
Resonant Fists damage reduced by 45%.
Keg Smash damage increased by 10%.
Tiger Palm damage increased by 20%.
Blackout Kick damage increased by 20%.
Spinning Crane Kick increased by 20%.
Breath of Fire damage increased by 25%.
tender cove
looks a lot bigger xD
strong forum
45% nerf on resonating fist
toxic mesa
resonant fists did A LOT of damage 😄
strong forum
Does that for you
potent gulch
Not yet fully implemented
Alright will wait
strong forum
and by same dps i mean 40kish in most dungeons
Then you're misplaying pwar
tender cove
was hoping they were buffing tanks and not looking at nerfing but maybe a dream xD
strong forum
If yiu only do 40k with 409 ilvl
40k overall is like 390ilvl numbers for a good pwar
potent anvil
Well, whenever my warr gets to 410+ I can compare. On a 21 academy, I did 57k on my bdk. Prot warr in a 16 did 55k...but obviously key level difference probably means a lot since pull bigger/aggressive etc.
Does seem easer to chain pull as warr than bdk though.
warm plinth
@ionic fern I tanked the TJS for the first time on woyer and last pack was fuckin scary lol.
toxic mesa
well thats just not true, i did 45k in my last HoV 20 and just checked the warcraft logs rankins and rank 1 at 20 hov is 47k
so im not that much off
deft socket
yo anything can be done about gauntlet bug in AA?
stuck after the second wave in a 20
strong forum
Well, whenever my warr gets to 410+ I can compare. On a 21 academy, I did 57k on...
57k for AA is quite low tho even for bdk
Like at 410 you'd expect closer to 75k overall
For any tank that isn't brew
Brew is obv higher
toxic mesa
i did 75k in AA +17 today, on warrior
strong forum
Bdk got alot harder
With DF
Like alot
But then again, I've not yet seen a single good one
warm plinth
Man.. maybe I do suck
tawdry dove
@strong forum is it still better to use the dual stat gems even with the lariat embelish?
strong forum
Like proper pumper
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is it still better to use the dual stat gems even with the...
Yes
strong forum
Vers isn't manly tho
Crit is the most manly stat
Cuz it's the most damage
Building for defense is not manly at all
tawdry dove
HMM
dull zodiac
When ur ranking a load of mobs and ur flooded in rage don't u stop casting shield slam and just clap and revenge?
tawdry dove
this is tough
dull zodiac
Or am I missing something
strong forum
Man.. maybe I do suck
To quote mandl, "a bdk who plays 90% correct only does 70% of potential dmg"
dull zodiac
I feel like i get way more rage than I can spend
Especially with 4 set I don't even need to IP
strong forum
When ur ranking a load of mobs and ur flooded in rage don't u stop casting shiel...
Technically yes, but those target counts are not reachable
Outside of flower pull in AA
potent anvil
The only thing I know is to not purg because I don't run it
strong forum
It's the rage you want
dull zodiac
But I feel like I'm drowning in rage
strong forum
Rage is what keeps you alive and kicking
potent anvil
Tanked 21s last week purg-less build. Blood shield accounts for like 60% of my overall healing
warm plinth
That's when you have to press IP more
strong forum
^
dull zodiac
Where ip doesn't fall off just from revenge
strong forum
Always feed the rage machine
warm plinth
Tanked 21s last week purg-less build. Blood shield accounts for like 60% of my o...
Dude it's crazy how blood shield went from virtually useless to absolutely insane this expansion lol
dull zodiac
Ah right
strong forum
And more outburst definitely means more dmg
And conversely also means more rage
It's a huge feedback loop
dull zodiac
Ok so imagine I'm doing a low key, revenge keeps up IP, but I'm not running out of rage by just spamming clap and revenge
warm plinth
dull zodiac
Is this ever possible