protection

[grave knoll]

hey guys - pretty new to prot warrior still and searching for what I have to track in my interface. currently i'm looking for a simple shieldblock and IP tracker (so I don't overcap it). Anyone got a decent and not too bloated WA package to share?

[warm plinth]

Well, top key ranking warriors also ran codex last expansion so

🤷

[jagged pier]

yer

[desert meadow]

how much does the 1h ilvl matter for your overall damage

[warm plinth]

I'm not their dad; they can run whatever they want

[oblique garnet]

Most things that kill dps are unavoidable aoe damage so avoidance is the best mitigation tool for it

[jagged pier]

big dumb

[desert meadow]

will i still pump with like a

389 wep

[sonic rock]

No

[jagged pier]

a lot

[desert meadow]

F

[sonic rock]

Will you pump in fury with a 389 weap?

[edgy spear]

There's no "vers hate". There's a hate towards some sickly obsession with vers being the end all and completely and utterly determinant for onces success. And that's just not true

[desert meadow]

fury isnt a tank

[edgy spear]

Yup.

[warm plinth]

You can easily make trackers for both with the templates in WA if you just need something simple. Most packs are going to be like full-blown suites that are gonna have more info than you're wanting.

[sonic rock]

Is anyone using a tracker for the 2p set buff?

[jagged pier]

i have one

i dont look at it

[warm plinth]

YOu shouldn't really need one. You only have to revenge like every 6 seconds or some shit to maintain it

[edgy spear]

I've seen some use it but I dont see why i would maybe outside of execute phase on bosses, but idk how much benefit there is from trying to optimize uptime there as opposed to just mashing SS+Execute+TC.

[sonic rock]

Since ive gotten 4set ive become worse at the game

[edgy spear]

It wouldn't change one bit about my play outside of execute so I haven't made one.

[sonic rock]

Legit i track way too much if my 4set is doing anythin and i forget about the rest of my character

[hasty field]

Did you notice a big diff to 2p comparatively?

[sonic rock]

No

More IP healing over leech in comparison to before but nothing huge

Outside of cds i still have to spam IP

[hasty field]

Alright

[edgy spear]

4pc is just equip and forget.

[marble cipher]

haste/vers or haste/crit lariat?
Or "just choose man"?

[high drum]

crit/haste

so it procs haste

🙂

or all haste/crit and 1x crit/haste

[edgy spear]

just choose man.

[ionic fern]

I'm proccing that Crit.

[high drum]

so you have a 50/50 chance at crit or haste proc

[jagged pier]

same

[high drum]

but mostly haste gems

[jagged pier]

crit gang

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[marble cipher]

how do you "control" the lariat proc?

[high drum]

by having all air/fire etc gems

it will awlays be air/fire

if you have even 1 of another type, its 50/50

primary stat gems have no type and dont affect or enable lariat proc

all sockets count, not just neck

[warm plinth]

The lower stat on the gem is the easiest way to eyeball it. So if it's a haste>crit gem, it will proc crit.

[high drum]

air = haste, fire = crit etc

[warm plinth]

That way you don't have to remember which element is which stat 😂

[marble cipher]

so if I go all haste+crit gems, it will proc crit?

[high drum]

yes

[marble cipher]

kk, thanks

[warm plinth]

If crit is the lower stat, yes

[high drum]

if they are 70 haste 33 crit

[marble cipher]

good tip 😄

[warm plinth]

There are haste>crit gems and there are crit>haste gems

The first will proc crit, the second will proc haste

[high drum]

i think the best way to do it with 6 sockets is like

5 x 70 haste 33 crit

1x 70 crit 33 haste

you still have 50/50 crit vs haste procs

but you get more baseline haste

[sage sierra]

best trinkets for m+?

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch, All-Totem, Decoration of Flame, Windscar Whetstone, Blazebinder's Hoof, tramplytrample trinket (can't remember the name) are all good. Dream team is probably Grieftorch + Whetstone. Boon is also good but can be kinda troll to use.

Rumbling Ruby is decent

[marble cipher]

what's the name of the haste/crit gems if you would know by heart?

[edgy spear]

Idol of the Trampling Hooves is tramplytrample trinket

[warm plinth]

That's the one

[edgy spear]

does big dam

[crimson furnace]

ok, Andy just flamed all prot warriors who play ITF,. hard flame and my feelings were hurt...pls help!

[high drum]

not sure and not home sorry

[obsidian path]

Boon is great but you have to like russian roulette gameplay

[marble cipher]

no worries

[warm plinth]

You should play HR in keys

[sage sierra]

whats hr?

[edgy spear]

Heavy Repercussions

[marble cipher]

Crafty Ysemerald for the record

[edgy spear]

Shield block extend + extra rage from SS

[obsidian path]

Heavy Repercussion, talent that extends Shield Bloc on Shield Slam cast

[edgy spear]

idk I like playing ITF. I dont experience any uptime issues on block

[warm plinth]

How much haste do you have?

[edgy spear]

like 4k rating

[ionic fern]

Logs.

I've seen the "I feel fine without x"

[warm plinth]

Yeah you gotta have pretty high haste to get away with not using HR. 🤔

[jagged pier]

some ones not paying attention to there shield block

[ionic fern]

And then on logs it's like 50% blocked hits.

[jagged pier]

no cause we tell u all to play HR

[warm plinth]

I had a friend who said he was getting chunked on his prot pally in BFA. I asked if he was pressing SotR. He said yeah man I'm spamming it. I checked logs and on a boss fight he used it once 😂

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/966342876109885500/WuLoB9ellc-1.gif

[jagged pier]

im pressing my buttons on cd

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[crimson furnace]

how can u do me that like that? #ITF4Life

[jagged pier]

in raid for sure

in m+ no

[crimson furnace]

46% haste with ITF

i cant go back to not ITF

how is that even possible?

[warm plinth]

I think you probably can

[royal rune]

is seal of filial duty good?

got a H one in my vauly

vault

[jagged pier]

if its the damage one

yes

[royal rune]

ot

it's the absorb

[jagged pier]

meh its okay

[celest aspen]

46% haste? seems like a lot, don't you cap out much sooner or how much should we actually aim for

[ionic fern]

With ITF.

[jagged pier]

u aim for 40% without buffs

[royal rune]

isn't it really good for tanking?

[ionic fern]

It's fine.

[celest aspen]

SHeesh

[royal rune]

that or i get 2 set bonus with those legs

[eager phoenix]

Isnt it same logic as Cobalt absorb shield? Saves you x number of IP usages

[ionic fern]

I'd take the ring.

Since it's rarer.

'

[royal rune]

i need frostfire belt to proc it tho?

[warm plinth]

It does not affect how much you use IP

Yes

Or something else that does fire damage

[ionic fern]

Yes?

You should want frostfire anyways.

[royal rune]

that makes it awesome then

[warm plinth]

It doesn't make it awesome.

It makes it fine

[ionic fern]

I mean..
"Damn you FINE" is a compliment

Right?

[warm plinth]

Why are you leaking our DMs to people Mwahi smh

[mighty condor]

hey guys. is there a preferred talent setup for spiteful week? My team are 3 melee dps so its pretty tedious having to deal with it.

[warm plinth]

Have they tried not getting hit by them?

😏

[ionic fern]

Cause i'm proud of you.

[mighty condor]

our enhancement shaman gets chewed up so much

[celest aspen]

But I mean if you look at the raider io ranked latter at a player like clapsoholic he is at like 30% haste and is using vers gems still

[ionic fern]

Jeah, DPS are not used to having responsibility when it comes to affixes.

Most of them affect healer/tank.

[warm plinth]

Can't you just like

frost shock it

and keep moving

[ionic fern]

When it comes to affixes affecting DPS'ers they just "OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Tell them to git gud and move.

Not even joking.

[mighty condor]

its not always possible when you say kill a pack of 5 mobs and then there isnt much space before the next pack

[edgy spear]

There should be space behind you

[ionic fern]

^

[mighty condor]

ok fair enough. I shall convey the message

[warm plinth]

They're just trying to make it your problem when it's theirs

[ionic fern]

^

[edgy spear]

I guess if you aren't going to use your shockwave for something useful in the next 40 secs you can buy them a few seconds of time but dont go out of your way

[crimson furnace]

++

[warm plinth]

I main a melee DPS btw, so I'm speaking from a DPS perspective.

[edgy spear]

and dont start talenting in to the howl aoe slow or something stupid

[ionic fern]

Jeah, but then they hit you with the good old' "IT'S A DPS LOSS FOR ME!!!!" while doing 40k dps in big aoe pulls.

[hasty field]

I would be proud of my gigachad tank taking aoe slow for me

[grave knoll]

actually found one. dorki has WAs only to track shieldblock, IP, rage and CD duration 🙂

[warm plinth]

pog

glad you found one

[mighty condor]

ye thats what I was wondering lol

[warm plinth]

If you're that worried about them, you can always throw a hamstring on it

[grave knoll]

now i just need to add some icons to track my CDs below it. rotational i dont really want in the middle of the screen

[edgy spear]

sounds like a waste of gcd

[ionic fern]

Never. Spiteful is the best week ever. Keeps my Seismic going.

[warm plinth]

XD

[ionic fern]

Does Deswind have blue/purple hair?

[warm plinth]

If he doesn't, it's a travesty

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[split goblet]

Hey guys - quick question. People say Haste > Vers in M+, but I much more prefer to focus on vers. I feel rage gen loss is not that impactful after 15/20% haste, and 10% to 20%vers diff is massive. Thoughts?

[edgy spear]

How's 10 to 20% vers massive but a subsequent difference in haste is not massive?

[solemn kelp]

Think you misread his question.

[solemn kelp]

You mean any rage ren after 15 to 20% haste is minimal? Got figures to back that up?

[edgy spear]

Haste isn't just a question of rage gen but also casts per min.

[split goblet]

Sadly no figures. More of a "feeling", as I am stabily on 50%+ rage all the time. I do +18 keys, all by feel, just want some thoughts from you guys

[edgy spear]

If you generate more rage you can IP more and you get more violent outbursts for more big TC/SS.

[last widget]

hey guys, quick question, which gems are you guys using on lariat?

[jagged pier]

main stat and haste crit

[wide kayak]

Guys, just curious. Why was there a Void Spawn(big elemental dude) on 2nd pack of SBG? The one where there are 4 mobs and 1 keeps teleporting ?

[last widget]

why not versa?

[split goblet]

Of course. I mean, I am on like 26% vers 15% haste and I've been told my haste is too low, which I don't feel like.

400ilvl, and my major haste thing is the Blazehoof trink

[mighty condor]

out of interest, if you talented into fueled by violence and bloodborne, would the incoming heals by competative to the additional absorb you get from Brutal Vitality?

[jagged pier]

because vers means nothing

[edgy spear]

I'd just sim optimal gear for dps and go with that. Dps output and defensiveness follow quite closely for prot.

[spice radish]

@split goblet vers is ur best stat in M+

by far

[sonic rock]

Haste.

[sick sentinel]

Hmm

[spice radish]

you wanna stack like at least 25% +

[split goblet]

Thanks @edgy spear . I agree @spice radish , was just wanting to know others thoughts

[sonic rock]

You cant keep 2p set up with less than 25% haste

[spice radish]

i have 35% haste + another 10% from the leg embellishment and 25% vers

that seems to be the sweet spot for me

[rough egret]

Istn that leg embelish bait?

[spice radish]

kinda the best one tbh

[rough egret]

Like dead for 90%

[sonic rock]

Im living around here

[jagged pier]

yes

[edgy spear]

[citation needed]

[split goblet]

I got 15% and got not problem to keep it up

[jagged pier]

its aweful

[jagged pier]

logs.

[sonic rock]

On details you can check your aura% and im p sure those legs are perma disabled

[jagged pier]

they are

[rough egret]

[spice radish]

+21 av 4man

49% uptime

99% of the time its max stacks

[edgy spear]

I'm not convinced you'll get any noticeable uptime change in trying to min-max this uptime compared to just hitting your buttons in the correct prio

[sonic rock]

One thing doesnt take away from the other, me having the most uptime possible will not remove my hands and ability to use my other stuff

Spending one GCD every 6~ seconds isnt gonna change your prio

[rough egret]

What does it says on the leg embelishment?

[ionic fern]

Hello.
Haste provides you with:
-More SB up-time
-Less CD on SS/TC
-More rage generation

It does require you to actually play the fast properly to gain the full effects of it.
Vers just provides a flat DR/damage increase which you passively benefit from.

We prioritise haste due to the versatility(hah, no pun) of the stat and what it provides.
After getting haste, it doesn't matter what you go for next, crit or vers.

Unironically, crit is our best DEFENSIVE stat in m+ situations point per point, just due to how strong parry is..unfortunately it is not reliable (can't guarantee a parry).

All of that said, you can run what ever you want and be fine as long as you're playing the class correctly.

[spice radish]

its kinda bis tbh

[edgy spear]

You'll probably have 85%+ uptime on it just spending non-TC/SS globals trying to proc SS resets and forgoing pressing TC/SS to squeeze a few more % out seems counterproductive and like a bigger dmg loss than the lost uptime

[spice radish]

its only a few bosses it doesnt have max value but, in m+ i feel like these legs are giga chad and helps a lot with dmg bursts, on pull rage regen etc

[rough egret]

Each stack resets duration?

[spice radish]

yeah

if you play a bit around it

[sonic rock]

[spice radish]

and you min max chain pulls

you can have a lot of up time on 5buff

dunno who said they are bait

[rough egret]

Well you have to constantly pull new mob every 9 sec 😐

[spice radish]

probably didnt do any research in m+

[rough egret]

Packs last a bit longer in my experience 😄

[edgy spear]

Sounds counterproductive to try and base your pulls around a 10 sec 1k haste buff in a group setting. If you wanna chain you would wanna do it asap to maximize your dpsers uptime on them

[spice radish]

@ionic fern is that just theory or ?

[spice radish]

yes and no

[jagged pier]

i mean we would like to see logs of it no details

and in a key thars relative to your skill level

i wanna know what it does on say a 24/25/26 where u cant change pull

[edgy spear]

and in any single pack you would charge in and TC, starting the 10 seconds and then 10 seconds later it'd fall off and that'd be that. Trying to min max pulling something else within 10 seconds (but seemingly not asap) to keep the buff seems detrimental

[jagged pier]

all the time

[sonic rock]

How does the buff uptime fare in NO for example Claps? Do you have a log around?

[jagged pier]

u can change pull very easily in AV

and as your pushing very high keys u wont find it hard to change pull in a 21

so the details isnt really relative to 99% of ppl in here

at all

[spice radish]

we did a 24 av by chain pulling everything from 2nd boss area, to boss. and then after 2nd boss everything to 3rd boss

in both of these pulls i was able to keep the stacks at max for a very.. very long time

[jagged pier]

are there logs of this?

because i could believe everyone who comes in here and says anything

[spice radish]

I dont think we log runs, just vods

[jagged pier]

right so go log something like i asked

and we can have a look

[edgy spear]

If you have an autolog addon/WA then it'd be saved in your logs folder and you can upload it

[ionic fern]

What haste does? No..it's math and game files/data exports, which provide information about what affects which abilities etc.

[jagged pier]

we are human its we could have missed something

[rough egret]

Raiderio client does it too

[dapper vapor]

@spice radish Interested to hear you emphasise vers so much, could you touch on that a bit?

[jagged pier]

but we cant take word of ppl randomly

[tacit wedge]

Hey guys, does anyone have that code string to combine all totem damage on details?

[spice radish]

about crit

[crimson furnace]

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

yer we know about this

we are working it out

[wooden widget]

Ruby whelp she’ll is bis again?

[crimson furnace]

i just saw it

[jagged pier]

i mean thats manic without reset yer

[rough egret]

How to train your dragon 😄

[jagged pier]

thats just a standard greiftorch usage

[wooden widget]

Let’s go!!!

[jagged pier]

hope u trained it correctly

in the first place

[crimson furnace]

i randomly used it so far

[jagged pier]

monk

[crimson furnace]

thinking its reset based

[jagged pier]

a

[crimson furnace]

pls no hate, im jsut an old gamer enjoying games

😦

[jagged pier]

i dont know about resetting it

🤷

no clue

[crimson furnace]

delete the item

restore from shop

?

[jagged pier]

i dunno

it doesnt reset on unequip

so

🤷

[rough egret]

Is it trackable somehow?

[sweet summit]

/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end

[jagged pier]

yer that

[autumn marsh]

GOing to have to totally retrain mine for a week

I was clicking on a randon raid member and training it 😄 then last night it did something totally different

[solar willow]

I have one simple question and hope for a simple answer 😌

How do I do enough DPS to make my DPS reconsider their life choices?

[edgy spear]

I had a 421 whelp in my vault and I'll kick myself if it turns out to be really good

[whole vortex]

Huh guess it's time to train my dragon

[jagged pier]

play correctly

[crimson furnace]

what is this?

[jagged pier]

F

u want 6 on fire shot

[spice radish]

will try to log a few runs on our next push session to have some more accurate numbers. but just the feel of it on every pull is very nice, even on a few bosses like tree in AA, AV 1st 2nd and last boss, RLP 1st and last boss, Temple last boss etc is something that really makes up for the downtime you might have on a few stages of the key

[crimson furnace]

monkaS

[solar willow]

Or join groups with subpar dps players? 👀

[crimson furnace]

how do we get that?

[jagged pier]

almost like they are bosses with adds

[autumn marsh]

Training it on a single target training dummy

for 7 days

[jagged pier]

but as i said we can be proven wrong but we need stats for instance this is a log we found with legs very quickly

sameish amount of uptime

but lots of not 5 stacks could be confirmation bias u think its good because u run it and u think its doing more than it is happens alot

[jagged pier]

enemy npc

[jagged pier]

no u just play correctly and u will do around if not more than some dps on aoe

[autumn marsh]

I know lfr is a bad yard stick

But on council

Prot is doing some funny numbers

[edgy spear]

Can do 100k+ on council with good gear and good play

[jagged pier]

i mean u dont need good gear

even im getting there

and i have no good trinkets

not just warrior tho

[solar willow]

Oh shid 100k?!

[jagged pier]

4 different tanks in the top 40

not a bad spread

[solar willow]

Lemme check my logs T-T

[jagged pier]

oh thats terros

my bad

well thats ST

[jagged pier]

not a bad spread

yer councils not just warrior

[edgy spear]

Top 100 on council seems to be Prot with quite a few brew and then like 2 prot pala, 1 bear (pumps), 1 vdh

[solar willow]

46k for primal T-T

Fug

[whole vortex]

If I tank mainly in m+ shouldI train my dragon for aoe? Or is the ST fireball that good?

[sick sentinel]

4 different tanks. Ignoring the fact that 32 are PWar. Yeah good spread.

[spice radish]

you shouldnt play that trinket

[grave knoll]

does anyone know how i remove those ugly borders from the icons in wa? - without masque

[jagged pier]

ST i still believe

[edgy spear]

Go to display and make a solid border 2 px wide and black

Should hide the border

[jagged pier]

if u have logs i can take a look for u when im free

[grave knoll]

thanks will try

[whole vortex]

Is it known if the fireball also triggers the rings?

[strong forum]

Go to display -> icon -> zoom to 30%

[edgy spear]

^ also works

[solar willow]

Ye if you don't mind, I haven't looked at rotation properly since DF, been playing catch up

[sick sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880935951106048/1054693009918275604/giphy.gif

[solar willow]

@jagged pier
Edrolas

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tNXvkFxfA7TjHaKM

[spice radish]

@ionic fern where does this stand at ?

[edgy spear]

perfect.

[jagged pier]

the truth

because parry actually stops the damage

and it take less stat to get a % in it

[spice radish]

almost never had an issue with physical damage taken

it was always magic that was killing me

[jagged pier]

but as its said its rng

[jagged pier]

true

[spice radish]

you cant parry magic

[jagged pier]

but the less physical damage u take

[edgy spear]

not with that attitude.

[jagged pier]

the more IP does to magical damage

its the same reason mastery isnt bad ither

[solar willow]

Melee is our biggest source of damage anyway right? At least in m+

[spice radish]

you can spell block in this tier with the new talents

[jagged pier]

and u also usually use CDs on magic damage anyway

so u dont need the vers to reduce it anyway

[edgy spear]

Yes.

[strong forum]

The only time magic dmg is scary in m+ is from huge nukes

And for those u use CDs

[jagged pier]

yes which is why point for point crit is actually the best

[strong forum]

You will never live those magic nukes without CDs

[jagged pier]

[solar willow]

I mean crit means more damage too right? Per point vs verse?

[jagged pier]

yes

[edgy spear]

Or the bleeds.

[strong forum]

Crit is far more dmg than vers yes

The bleeds specifically

Are special

For those, vers is indeed pretty good BUT

[sick sentinel]

You're special

[jagged pier]

thats 2 bosses

in all of m+

[strong forum]

Getting 1 more IP

[oblique garnet]

You can parry most bleeds 🙂

[solar willow]

Haste crit gear only from this day on 🙃

[strong forum]

Per bleed debuff, will have more impact than vers

[jagged pier]

not the bird or 2nd boss in RLP

[edgy spear]

Ilvl above all tho

Dont gimp your ilvl chasing some magical stat distribution

[spice radish]

the only bleeds that matter are AA from the battleaxes which you just stop, and bird in AA which indeed you cant as jakey said

[strong forum]

Yup

[oblique garnet]

This season atleast

[strong forum]

Bird is the biggest contender for vers

[jagged pier]

yep but as nome said 1 more IP from haste will do more than the vers again the bleed

[strong forum]

But that's 1 singular boss

[lyric geode]

Stack critical for the dmg and for leech

[jagged pier]

espeically if u have crit or mastery to reduce the physical or stop the physical melees

at the same time

[solar willow]

🤝

[spice radish]

maybe rlp 2nd boss as well but you can never live it w/o using triple cds and wouldnt suggest to count on rng

[strong forum]

That one is parryable (still)

But it's only a matter of time

Until they decide to also fuck us over

Oh yeah, and the brutalise from NO 3rd boss

[solar willow]

Noh

[strong forum]

That tank buster isn't blockable or parry/dodgeable

[lyric geode]

I want to congratulate the channel for the improvements it provide me in terms of rotation and making me a better warrior tank

[strong forum]

But it's atleast mitigated by armor

So we're fine-ish on that department

[crimson furnace]

the guys here are the best, nolifers in the whole wow cummunity! Poggers!!

[snow furnace]

hey all, is there a resource or guide on how spell block talent works? Does it reflect everything? Is the reflection for 100% of damage or is it like an extended version of spell reflection?

[lyric geode]

Imagine that you can block spells

[strong forum]

It's block but for spell

Nothing else

It's just dmg reduction, has nothing to do with reflecting

[jagged pier]

can be uncapped that makes it look like its reflecting tho

they need to fix that

but i guess that will come, if/when they nerf us

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i mean should be an easyish fix

but hey theyve got bigger problems like raid disbanding in the raid

so

🤷

[spice radish]

most likely will see a enha/unholy/protwar nerf after 1st mdi

[oblique garnet]

Dont think enha is gonna be in mdi

Unless you need it for the stops

[strong forum]

Neither will be pwar

[oblique garnet]

^

[jagged pier]

dh probably right

[strong forum]

It'll be brew

[oblique garnet]

Monk

[strong forum]

• prevoker

[jagged pier]

oh yer

brew

[strong forum]

That combo is beyond broken

[snow furnace]

alright then, follow up question, should it be picked depending on dungeon? Or it's a good all around talent instead of tough as nails?

[limpid anchor]

366 ilvl brew clearing +21s

Imagine they have 424!

[strong forum]

That's got nothing to do with mdi

[jagged pier]

ppl told me it wasnt broken

KEKW

[oblique garnet]

Tbh it probably depends on keys that they play in mdi which tank you go

[jagged pier]

and i was hard cope

[limpid anchor]

I know

[jagged pier]

lul

[strong forum]

Yes, but in big aoe pad keys it'll be brew

[spice radish]

yep

[strong forum]

Cuz their dmg is out of this world

And prevoker takes care of their weaknessess

And obv also does big dick dmg

[strong forum]

Very key specific yes

[spice radish]

but thats not the point

they probably gonna wait till mdi before they nerf/buff sth

[strong forum]

Temple, rlp and av

[strong forum]

Like usual ye

[snow furnace]

is there a guide or resource on which keys are better suited for picking it?

[strong forum]

I just named em

[snow furnace]

oh, soz, thank you

[limpid anchor]

They buff nerf stuff every 2 weeks atm

What makes you think they don’t?

[whole vortex]

Can't you spell block hyrjas buster in hov? (not that you should need it I suppose)

[strong forum]

You can but idk if its worth to pick spell Block for just 1 boss out of an entire dungeon

[spice radish]

its not used to and not ideal to do more buffs/nerfs during the prep time you have just before mdi

[strong forum]

Spell Block is useless for the rest of key besides hyrja

HoV is like 99.9% physical and hyrja buster

[jagged pier]

tell that to steam they did a whole patch mid tournament

would be pretty interesting to see in the MDI imo

not that it works like that

but still would be fun

[spice radish]

that might happen but not so likely before it begins

[median tulip]

If you Spell Reflect fire damage does it proc the rings effects?

[lyric geode]

just spell reflect

[strong forum]

Sr alone isn't enough, her buster fucking hurts

[strong forum]

Nah

You didn't inflict it

[median tulip]

shame

[solar willow]

If you take the TC reduction and 50% Inc to damage during avatar talent.

When you pop avatar, should I be casting TC prio?

[strong forum]

If you play IO

Then you can live everything

Lowkey

[jagged pier]

SS is still prio

tc is the second prio

[solar willow]

OK nice

[strong forum]

If yiu play around immovable object on important targets and snipe busters with avatar

You're legit immortal

It's stupid strong

And not even that big of a dmg loss over unstoppable force

😉

[spice radish]

tanked hyrja on 25 tyra, lowest i got was at about 8%-10% hp. There is a play without spellblock at all. Didn't even use an external from my rdruid.

immovable object is very nice also as nome says

[snow furnace]

really? On paper it should be. It's half damage + cd reduction

[urban bane]

Immovable Object… IO

[snow furnace]

I guess you pull more so you do more aoe and ends up being even?

[edgy spear]

TC isn't THAT big of a % of your overall dmg and instead of pressing TC you could revenge. It doesnt become a dead global all of a sudden

• you get avatar if you shield wall

[solar willow]

You double up on avatar duration tho

[dire matrix]

pulling more isnt really the answer cuz dps die 😄

just more uptime

[strong forum]

It's not because all you do is shift your rotation towards more revenge

[edgy spear]

And shield wall with the 5 sec cdr talent is legit a 1 min (in combat) cd

[strong forum]

And in single target TC does very little for your dmg

[solar willow]

Pulling more is always the answer...

[desert meadow]

for all the talent choices on the sites like wowhead etc which is the ideal build if youre focused on pure damage and carrying lower keys 2-15. I dont see any sections that fit that. or do i just pick up the academy talent tree?

[dire matrix]

what academy tree

👀

[desert meadow]

im psure its wowhead where theres a build for each dungeon

im assuming it has to do with aoe damage

[strong forum]

And you still send TC every 5seconds, you only get like 4 additional TCs during avatar

[dire matrix]

all i see

oh i see

under m+

they all say general m+ build tho

[solar willow]

Prolly better for aoe and ST then?

[strong forum]

In general, UF is the default talent

[dire matrix]

those builds are all literaloly the same

[strong forum]

It's a bit simpler to play

But it's not massively more offensive over IO than you'd initially think

[solar willow]

Maybe help my healer not cry so much 👀

[strong forum]

Obv this assumes you play well to begin with

[solar willow]

And it'll make me pop SW a lot more often xD

[dire matrix]

should wall close to on cooldown

[strong forum]

If you suck then UF will be obv more dmg cuz you're more likely to hit the correct button cuz you focus harder on Thunderclap mentally

[dire matrix]

unless u need it super fast

[weak snow]

I like using it on Raz, really feel the anger management with it

[timid beacon]

Is everyone using Glacial Fury in raids? Or stat stick phill?

[edgy spear]

For pure aoe dmg, disregarding defensiveness and utility something like this could be it: https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJRQRpRQVBBNVUVFRERlQYVVQCQQ
Could take a point out of overwhelming rage and in to honed reflexes and you could take a point less in bloodborne/tough as nails and put in to punish to do some more ST.
Wouldn't run this in any serious key tho

[strong forum]

I use glacial fury in raid

It's usually more than 4% of my dmg

When tepid vers is only 3.7% vers

[timid beacon]

Yah it’s pretty dirty in mythic+

Wasn’t sure how it transferred over

So thanks Nom

[strong forum]

In m+ glacial fury is alot more even with tepid vers

[solar willow]

Ye, I was playin well in SL S4, but I couldn't get on much over Christmas so I'm behind in regards to the DF updates

[strong forum]

So you can't go wrong with either

[timid beacon]

You the boss!

[near walrus]

so it's either tepid or glacial fury

[strong forum]

Eye in the storm is also good, gets better the better you are

Glacial fury doesn't care if you play well or not

It does its thing

[near walrus]

perfect for me then haha

[timid beacon]

We’re starting to progress through heroic so trying to min max everything

[desert meadow]

i think i probably need shockwave

[near walrus]

talking about heroic, anyone have seen the adds on raz reseting aggro half a sec after spawning ?

[strong forum]

Df plays 99% the same as SL

[solar willow]

But banner =[

[near walrus]

i was losing aggro all night even with ravager, TC, TR ...

[strong forum]

Yeah that's a common theme rn with adds spawning on bosses, that they don't have an aggro table until they actually activate

[near walrus]

yeah and you have all your no brain DPS going HAM in the first second loll

[strong forum]

I usually go ham myself so it's not a big deal

If push comes to shove you have aoe taunt

[solar willow]

Dragon roars bleed is good for agro during that phase I find

[thin silo]

Dragon Roar, Ravager, Challenging Shout, and can Shield Charge 1st & 3rd

[edgy spear]

Then take that over uproar and a point in overwhelming rage.

[wintry jetty]

boon clap? otherwise it's 395>421 on set gloves

[sonic rock]

421 set gloves dont drop every week from raid, boon does

[wintry jetty]

I pug raid though, so rolling against 20 😛

[eager phoenix]

hoof, guzzler, boon, whetstone. feel there are quite a few nice trinklets but 421 tier is max. lock that slot in and never look back for the patch

[sonic rock]

^ +

[pulsar marsh]

Hi Guys, I have a Spark left and already have Lariat + companionship-Bracer also I have 1hand and shield 418 , is it bad to craft the Molten Belt/Boots now? or any other ideas?

[dusk hinge]

Hey guys, did a 17+ HoV today and felt a bit squishy, im not that comfy with analyzing logs so I though you guys could help me, I nearly died2 times at the packs inside the hall where the sentinel patrols around. everything else was fine I guess
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T1DFf7C9Ppjza4Nh#fight=last

[lime urchin]

I play on such a potato that every time I see a screenshot of someone else, i realize how beautiful the game actually is

but ill stay in pixelland myself

[solar willow]

You have no choice but to play pixilated with all the fkin lag spikes that occur during Raza z
XD

[stable valve]

Low ilvl slots at this point

You could save a spark for engi bracers (pretty Garbo this patch) or for the frost fire belt if you get a raid ring

[pulsar marsh]

there will be unlimited sparks at some point right? in 2 weeks?

[strong forum]

What exactly made you feel squishy?

[hazy thicket]

'unlimited'

[strong forum]

Cuz like your log doesn't indicate any massive flaws

[hazy thicket]

They still have to drop

[strong forum]

You took less healing than your dps players

[plush tendon]

a ring would be cool

but so would booties

[strong forum]

1 thing I guess I could tell you that you can outrange the physical busters from the melee mobs

[dusk hinge]

tbh I dont know what happened, but I suddenly dropped from 100% with capped ignore pain to like 1% hp

[strong forum]

The hew, breach armor and power strike are all avoidable by slightly back pedalling

[plush tendon]

What hurt the most?

like what area?

[strong forum]

Probably got sniped by something avoidable

[dusk hinge]

okay didnt knew that 😄

[lime urchin]

both your deaths are avoidable, if I may say so

[dusk hinge]

inside before exiting to left boss hyrja

[plush tendon]

the two packs near the long tables?

[dusk hinge]

https://gyazo.com/db97a59e00c07ad1cba246faa26da215
Pack 4 and Pack 5 nearly oneshotted me at one point, pull 6 was fine

[dense ledge]

record your run and then hop into the vod, usually turbo obvious to spot when you can just relax, pause and look around

[wary bough]

any tips on this ? Azure Vault the Rock dudes on the first Round Platform, i get absolutely trucked and pugs rarely coordinate stops et cetera to give me some breathing room :S

[dusk hinge]

i was alaways recording with SquadOV but this got removed sadly 😦

[slim dove]

you got 4 ways of stopping it yourself

if they're atleast desynced, you should be fine to eat 1

[prime sphinx]

spellblock too

[wary bough]

i still feel like paper on those mobs ^^

[strong forum]

Maybe a missed interrupt or you stood in penetrating shot/the thunderstrike dot

[dusk hinge]

at the first death (blast of light) I got stunned by thundering thats why I ate that frontal, and runic brand second death was me trying to actually die cuz my whole team ripped before 😄

[dusk hinge]

I will start to clip shit when I feel something was wrong, ty

[plush tendon]

They also enrange

that can be torrented off or spell stolen

which should help reduce the damage

[limpid anchor]

Can also pull them in 3 if you struggle

[past locust]

with violent outburst, how many targets should we be thunder clapping

[dusk hinge]

I was pulling like this https://gyazo.com/75712dedaae7e69c2f6cc3e001520b45
last screen was my tyrannical pull route

[rough egret]

Please remove that bottom bar 😄

[limpid anchor]

But ye they don’t hit that hard

Just some casts if they aren’t interrupted

[strong forum]

5+

[past locust]

ah ez ty

[acoustic edge]

hmm assuming reasonable performance, what key level should i be able to tank at 370 ilvl in a pug? is there like a good rule of thumb?

[past locust]

5-10 should be fine

[jagged pier]

what ever your comfortable with

there is no rule of thumb

its down to the player

[thorny stone]

Depends on skill

[jagged pier]

theres plenty of ppl who couldnt tank a +2 at 370

[acoustic edge]

hmm i just dont have a concept of the change in difficulty between the different levels and at what point is the damage too much for my gear

[jagged pier]

well thats personal to u and how u play

[sturdy sable]

Plenty of ppl cant tank a plus 2 at 400 ilvl

[acoustic edge]

like if it's a skill issue i can practice. just dont know what the gear threshold would be

[jagged pier]

there isnt really 1

[dense ledge]

gotta run keys in figure out what you can do

[jagged pier]

a good player can go alot further with less gear than an average player in the same

gear helps

but its more your play

[acoustic edge]

so there isnt a point where it's like if you played perfectly but gear sucks and you get hammered too hard?

[jagged pier]

well maybe but as I said thats different from person to person

[autumn marsh]

You shouldnt really hit that point

[plush tendon]

that only happens in really cutting edge content

[jagged pier]

so we cant tell u that

[acoustic edge]

sorry last time i seriously tanked anything with wotlk lol

[plush tendon]

or if you are VERY undergeared (like fresh outta the maw)

[dense ledge]

I rather hit the point of, oh sht that pull was dumb and now its a wipe agane

[tender cove]

Just curious. Doesn't that big dude patroling between fenryr and hyrjia work like an inspired mob? preventing any interupts?

[jagged pier]

yes

[dense ledge]

you also won't be 370 for long, gearing to 390 is pretty quick

[tender cove]

Do you pull multiples with him? I've always avoided it, just crumbles my pugs.

[acoustic edge]

hmm. i think i understand what y'all are saying. but just to come at it from a different angle, how key would you personally be comfortable pushing at 370 in a pug (assuming they take you lol)?

[plush tendon]

go for it!

I wouldnt say jump into a 20

but you should be able to do some 10s and 11s

(assuming you get invited)

[tender cove]

I'm 375ish on my paladin and i'm doing 12s/13s but some dungeons are very rough and the healers you will get going into such keys? Will make it even harder.

[plush tendon]

or, you just do the slow grind of gearing through dungeons

[acoustic edge]

hahaha ya. time to push my own keys lol

[plush tendon]

M0s also drop those titan matrix 4s

which can bring a crafted peice to 382

which aint bad

for target slots

then you got the world events

[urban lodge]

Hey guys, i'm curious about how u do 1st pull in ruby life pools with/without BL on high keys

[static helm]

Is there a list somewhere which spells are reflectable?

[tender cove]

Pins and you have weakaura telling you what can be.

[static helm]

Love you

[thorny stone]

You can:
Do it solo
Pull with the other two in front of the door
Skip entirely that one+the two from the door and pull something else.

[rose cobalt]

I did an 18 last night and I always charge slam the big guy, jump to the second pack and throw the third pack, then LOS in the first room around the corner and pop shield wall

[urban lodge]

Stop copying me 😂

[rose cobalt]

Pulling in rlp feels so good

[acoustic edge]

haha ya. i just thought there would be a soft/hard cut off point (of sort) where you're simply too undergeared to tank the content. i dont raid but it feels like raid has a pretty simple to understand progression: if you can do normal and have some normal gear, you can probably do heroic... etc...

keys are just numbers and idk how to think about them =/ other than the new affix, kinda hard to rationalize what the extra... was it 8% dmg or whatever per lvl means

[autumn urchin]

Perma skip mob you can make up % in forest area

[urban lodge]

U mean skip 1st earth mob ?

[acoustic edge]

ya. i think i got the idea now. just gotta push keys up 1 lvl at a time and see where i start failing i guess

[plush tendon]

Gear can be looked at in two ways; one way is that it makes your character stronger. The other way is that with more gear, you essentially 'nerf' the content around

[rose cobalt]

You should host your keys and see the kind of ilvl that signs up

[plush tendon]

so a strong player can have minimal gear and still do the higher content, whereas a worse player might need to gather more before attempting that same content

[rose cobalt]

I did a 12 cos last week with my resto shaman at 388 and my friend with a fresh rogue at 350. We timed it, but it's not ideal for that key at all

[jovial birch]

Well that is one of the easier dungeons so makes sense

[tender cove]

Pretty much ye, just have fun and remember pugs will fail and sometimes it will be their fault and sometimes yours. Don't let it get to you.

[acoustic edge]

semi related: any recommendation on who to watch for m+ routes for COS and Temple? the only 2 m+ i havent done yet.. have no clue how they work

[dire matrix]

cos is semi rng

temple is linear

[tender cove]

Search youtube for TanknSpankgg

[hazy thicket]

Temple is press w dungeon, there is a skip available on the jugglers but then you just kill everything to last boss

[tender cove]

its like quick 4-6 min guides, covers the basics

[dense ledge]

quazii, lepan, tactyks is where I watch some stuff, recently started to learn tanking

[fallen pulsar]

Quazii one minute tips are so based

[thorny stone]

My answer was related to a halls of valor, not ruby life pools

[acoustic edge]

actually i did 1 cos. tried to follow a map off raider.io without knowing anything about the dungeon. let's just say my group was less than please lmao. i think im gonna go zone in normal and explore a bit first....

[fallen pulsar]

Lots of good bits of info, although some are outdated like tanking 3rd tjs boss at steps no longer works

[plush tendon]

Quazii is goated

[dense ledge]

you can fly to the cos dungeon and just go in there and practice stuff since everything dies instantly, took me a bit to understand the beacon/enforcer, different buffs that spawn and finding spy thing

[plush tendon]

I also started watching Lepan's vids

his 'how tos' for each dungeon are pretty good

[plush tendon]

the trick with CoS.... is to get to the first boss with pulling as little trash as you can; I usually end up with around 40%

trash count is really easy to get in there

[acoustic edge]

watching this one right now. pretty to the point!

[plush tendon]

hes got great tips and tricks for all classes and dungeons

easy to share with the homies

[craggy pilot]

he knows all the dungeons, but man it looks like he is doing some weird class mistakes when watching him play warrior

[plush tendon]

yea, but I come here to ask about Prot

the real difference maker for me now is learning these dungeons

[digital delta]

wait is the ruby whelpling trink super strong when trained 6 days?

[jagged pier]

maybe

[digital delta]

oh wait 6 days per node

and 6 nodes?

holy fuck

[raw meadow]

if I spell reflect something reflectable, from an enemy under demo shout, does the reflected damage deal less damage?

[lofty widget]

no

[slim dove]

no

[digital delta]

who knows

[lilac jay]

which keys are currently broken beside AA? so i dont waste my time again

[jagged pier]

whats broken about AA?

[spare trench]

How is AA broken?

[blazing condor]

keys still getting disbanded?

[slim dove]

wipe on bird boss > 2nd goal breaks

[spare trench]

Did two yesterday and had no issues

[slim dove]

or orbs not spawning at all

[median tulip]

Isn't there a thing where you wipe on the bird and the goals never reactivate? (IDK, never wiped on the bird)

[jagged pier]

thats a server issue its happening in raids as well

even tho

[slim dove]

yes

[jagged pier]

it could be a funny addon maker

[lilac jay]

with spiteful the crow event boss does not spawn

[slim dove]

i bricked a 20 last week to that shit

[lilac jay]

u cant jump to death

u just fucked

[hard birch]

Jesus guys, I just learned that IP stacks.

[jagged pier]

[amber siren]

[slim dove]

[median tulip]

Oh god, really?

[lilac jay]

this

[spare trench]

[jagged pier]

u should just be spamming IP so u should no this already

[hard birch]

Does any other warrior abilities stack that I should be aware of?

[blazing condor]

shield block

[deep spruce]

shield block

[lilac jay]

yes fucking awesome. last week this depleted my 21 jade. now my 20 AA. fun times

[median tulip]

Shield Block stacks to 3 times the base duration (and Bolster goes over that, if you talent it)

[hard birch]

I don't spam IP, I just use it when its about to go off, or no more IP dmg absorbed.

[acoustic edge]

wait.. pressing shield block too early by accident doesnt screw me over?

[deep spruce]

lol no

[jagged pier]

monka

[acoustic edge]

... TIL

[spare trench]

These guys must be trolling 🤣

[blazing condor]

people are new

[hard birch]

So shieldblock stacks also?

[blazing condor]

yes

up to a certain time

[nimble rock]

It is like dots where it carries over the last 3 seconds or what not

[cinder storm]

Does CoS really drops chest? I've gone through the whole loot table, seen multiple rings, trinkets, (healer trinket once) but no chest

[amber siren]

Watching SB timer like a hawk

[astral bane]

i think ive seen mine up to 25ish sec

[cinder storm]

50 runs btw

[median tulip]

You should be using IP to dump excess Rage to so you don't cap your Rage bar; to all intents and purposes Ignore Pain is a button that gives you 3.5% of your HP and 3.5 seconds off Avatar and Shield Wall cooldowns, and just happens to give you the ignore pain buff as a bonus

[median tulip]

Nope lol

[pseudo ridge]

what are the main defense abilites?
i normally play dk and you have some small defenses e.g. when weakaura calls "defense" you press blood tap and have 10% reduced dmg.
but as warrior I feel like having only major defense abilites for 4min cd
ignore pain and shield block is nearly 100% up
would be the only defense abilites shield wall and demoralizing shout?

[median tulip]

You've seen the Ring?!?

[oak gale]

Just came back to prot, what’s the reason for taking thunderous roar/word’s instead of just buffing shockwave? For 20 ish keys, keeping rend up with thunderclap is easy enough

[acoustic edge]

so is this accurate? so like.. i can just charge in and use up both charges of shield block if i want to for some reason and that's not a... wrong thing?

[slim dove]

cuz using your aoe stop for dps is cringe.

[cinder storm]

Looted twice, seen about 8 times

[spare trench]

TC does a lot of dmg and applies Rend, which generates rage

[amber siren]

last stand, spell reflect, demo, shield wall, spell block

[jagged pier]

because shockwave capstones are a trap and do less damaage than TR anyway

[median tulip]

I positively hate you, I've done so many runs and never seen the Ring (or the boots)

[jagged pier]

also using utility for damage is huge dumb

[oak gale]

All i had to know 😂

[hard birch]

Gotcha, if I were to press shield block 2x, would the duration last 2x longer for a total of 12 seconds? I would test but the servers are down right now.

[jagged pier]

yes but u should never spam your blocks away

[lime urchin]

It would only be a wrong thing if you don’t get hit for most of the period while you have shield block up. Which doesn’t happen often, but still

[median tulip]

Yeah, that's how it works; if you have Enduring Defenses the cap is 24 seconds, because it's 3 times whatever the base duration is

[cinder storm]

Let's run together, I'll swap any ring for a chest ( mine is 385 )

[spare trench]

Got two, did 38 No for Strike Twice lol

[jagged pier]

there are plenty of times where u dont need to block and having it up cause u spammed it is wasting it

[pseudo ridge]

is there a google docs of all spell reflectable spells?

[delicate nest]

Can confirm it does exist

[amber siren]

sure is in the pins

[acoustic edge]

ok so if im charging into a mob and i know they're going to be meleeing me the entire duration, nothing wrong with just press sb on cd then using up all stacks as long as im < 12s (or 18?)

TIL...

[cinder storm]

50 more runs I guess :

[full monolith]

in m+: how much uptime on 2p is this week achievable? recently got 2p and my buff uptime sits around 70% ... is it due to spiteful?

[acoustic edge]

also i thought with HB you should have 100% up time anyways?

[median tulip]

@acoustic edge Personally I have a habit of getting my Shield Block duration up to maximum before I hit the Execute Phase, so I have the maximum ammount of Rage and opportunity to execute my way into making the bad DPS cry.

[jagged pier]

i mean yes and no currently u can but if they nerf us this way or that way we may sudenly struggle for uptime again which means u need to learn how to use it correctly

[acoustic edge]

oh. fair enough

[grave knoll]

worth spending valor on blazebinder's hoof?

[jagged pier]

probably

there are better trinkets out there

tho

[hard birch]

Granyth's Enduring Scale is BIS for Mythics right? What do you guys think are the two best trinkets for mythics?

[thorny stone]

can't see shit tho

[oblique kayak]

can’t wait for s2 trinkets - hate the „raid for trinkets“ meta

[amber siren]

whetstone and grieftorch probably

[jagged pier]

the best 2 trinkets for m+

[acoustic edge]

still... that makes gameplay a lot easier. i been trying to time my shield block right on expiry and sometimes it get hectic and i dont hit it right away

[jagged pier]

are boon, icon from NO, whetstone, greiftorch

in any order u want

[median tulip]

Whetstone is amazing. I'm using that and Rumbling Ruby, because it sims highest

[plush tendon]

Same!

Whetstone is so good

and Rumbling Ruby is funny when you start a pack with the proc ready to go

[astral bane]

so is the decoration of flame and whispering incarnate(with other party members having it) icon BiS trinkets? Otherwise is it all-totem?

[plush tendon]

like the little spiders in SBG (so much damage XD)

[digital delta]

So if you wipe on bird boss in AA then you got to start the wind goal first

[lavish oracle]

Deco is fine, I don't know about BiS

[median tulip]

Yeah. From testing it appears that the RR has an ICD of about 10s for building stacks, so it takes around 1m40s to go off each time

[lavish oracle]

Pretty good defensive trinket

[plush tendon]

Deco I would say is a B, B+ trinket

[digital delta]

If you start fire again it will bug

[plush tendon]

it aint bad, but theres better stuff

Icon gets a A-, A (its a passive trinket, and if people in your party have it on, it gains value)

[acoustic edge]

depending on the day im reading this chat, sometimes it sounds like its S tier and sometimes not =/

[median tulip]

On my route in AA I can get it to reliably proc on the gigapull of the plants around the tree boss. Big numbers xD

[astral bane]

i see alot of top M+ players with it

[amber siren]

deco is definitely not S tier

[plush tendon]

I think B is a fair place to put; S belongs to things like Grieftorch and Whetstone imo

[amber siren]

also top m+ players is a whole different conversation

[median tulip]

I think Deco is better if paired with both rings

[plush tendon]

I have the belt

I dont need deco

[median tulip]

The same is true of Blazebinder

[plush tendon]

blazebinder im meh about

[strong forum]

Deco is better offensively than it is defensively*

[plush tendon]

its just, for active trinkets since whetstone, Grieftoch, and boon exist, all others lose value in my eyes

[astral bane]

boon?

[strong forum]

It's a dps trinket that colours itself a tank trinket

[wooden widget]

What’s icon from NO?

[sand pebble]

no all totem?

[median tulip]

Idol of Trampling Hooves

[astral bane]

raid

[plush tendon]

dathea trinket; solid A- (gets a - because its high reward... but high risk)

[wooden widget]

Oh bet

[plush tendon]

but if you can use Boon properly, you will be greatly rewarded in keys

[astral bane]

oooh, i forgot about that one, i have a heroic one ill probably never use? lol

[plush tendon]

it has the highest ceiling

[astral bane]

No one likes this?

[plush tendon]

but also... a pretty low floor.... cause you can die

[plush tendon]

its good

[strong forum]

All totem rocks in keys

[plush tendon]

and its passive

[strong forum]

Bad in raid

[plush tendon]

gets a

[astral bane]

i switch to whispering icon in raid

[sand mason]

What’s an expected uptime on our 2 set? I did a 20 vault and 50% uptime.

[lilac jay]

what do u guys think of puzzle box?

[plush tendon]

100%?

[strong forum]

85% in keys

[plush tendon]

or close to?

[gloomy sinew]

guys i hav a question about some rocky mobs in azure vault

[vast rivet]

I have a 395 icon, a 402 RR, a 402 deco, and a 398 hoof that I could upgrade. Which would yalll use

[astral bane]

stun them

[gloomy sinew]

they cast a kind of frontal but its too much damage

just stun?

only way to survive that?

[cinder storm]

Stuns

[strong forum]

Ruby + hoof or icon

[plush tendon]

stun and/or dispell the buff they get

[astral bane]

have your party help you stun it

[sand mason]

Right on. I’ll aim for this.

[full monolith]

stun, disorient, fear

[plush tendon]

and use a def

[solar willow]

Decoand blaze hoof

[gloomy sinew]

mm ok ok thanks ❤️

[astral bane]

can be spell blocked if in a pinch

[vast rivet]

Thanks!

[plush tendon]

Spell block is actually awesome

[gloomy sinew]

ill try that

[sand mason]

With 85% up time, the 5% to IP from 4 sets seems pretty minor. Am I fair to assume that it’s “nice-to-have” and not stress about having it if I’m just trying to do 20/21s?

[astral bane]

the 4pc set does seem lackluster

[cinder storm]

You should be pressing revenge, 2p buff happens naturally

[vagrant gazelle]

Is there any information on the seal ring from eranog being bis, or if I have to craft the belt for it to be bis or worthwhile at all?

[plush tendon]

4 piece is nice to have... but not like 'omg 4 piece! so awesome im gonna tell everyone about it!'

[strong forum]

It applies ignore pain, which enabled brutal vitality.

Which means it's 20% absorb leech

With very high uptime

[sand mason]

I passed on 421 tier gloves for the 418 diurna ring with wicker and just trying to justify my choice 😂

[strong forum]

So it is defensively quite strong

[sand mason]

How so? Im confused

[strong forum]

The fire ring is bis

[strong forum]

?

It just does

4pc gives you the IP buff

[sand mason]

I thought BV was through spending rage?

[strong forum]

Huh?

Did you even read the tooltip

[sand mason]

Im confused how you get Brutal vitality from just proccing IP

[strong forum]

Read the tooltip then

[sand mason]

I might be mixing up BV?? The “do more damage after 300 rage” talent.

[strong forum]

That's violent outburst

And it's 240 rage

[sick sentinel]

Bv increases your ip by damage done

[sand mason]

Ahha that’s why I’m confused lol

[deft hazel]

[solar willow]

15% of damage is put into ip

But only if ip is up

[sand mason]

Ahh!! This makes sense now

[sick sentinel]

This effectively has ip up all the time without even casting it

[solar willow]

4p keeps ip up, pretty much all the time

[deft hazel]

Could you just spam revenge in aoe and sort of ignore ip?

[strong forum]

No

[deft hazel]

[strong forum]

You'll overcap rage if you don't use IP

[amber siren]

it doesn't refresh IP, and you'll overcap

[deft hazel]

[solar willow]

The 4p refreshes ip tho right?

[sick sentinel]

More ip more avatar

[amber siren]

nope

[sick sentinel]

Don’t think it refreshes duration

[plush tendon]

well its more rage spent=more avatar

[solar willow]

Oh =[

[deft hazel]

Lame it doesn't refresh ip

[solar willow]

4p is willies.

[plush tendon]

IP just happens to be a off the GCD way to spend rage fast

[solar willow]

4p, after you spend 100 rage, you auto cast conquerors banner

Yes pls

[lime urchin]

Tier is for noobz and it doesn’t exist and I think I will get tusks before I get tier and tusks also don’t exist

[strong forum]

No

[wooden widget]

Jizzed right in my pants

[strong forum]

Meanwhile me sitting on 6/4pc

I got gloves and shoulders twice

Oh and chest also twice

[lime urchin]

[strong forum]

So I guess 7/4

[plush tendon]

so thats where all the zenith tier is going

we got half our raid on that token

4 rogues, 4 dragons, 1 WW, 2 Warriors

token is actually fucked

[deft hazel]

[solar willow]

I only managed to get 2p this week 😂😭

[plush tendon]

Though getting everyone 4 piece has gone infinitely better this tier then in Sep

[wooden widget]

It’s so sad we got spear instead of a conquerors banner

[plush tendon]

since we can ML trade

[plush tendon]

Spear is siq though

wished we used it more

[solar willow]

You have earned all of my yes.

[plush tendon]

shouldve gotten AA, Spear and Banner!

[strong forum]

It would be super fun to get perma banner again yea. But I like the mega burst CDs we have now

[plush tendon]

oh, and phial

wheres my owlbro

[wooden widget]

Yeah owlbro was good too those phials were op

[solar willow]

Banner just always put me into a hyperfocus mode 😅

[plush tendon]

Imagine having a phial right now

for Crawth and Searing Wound Cow

[autumn marsh]

I miss gladiator, and BFA corruptions

Twilight devastation tanking was utter hilarity

[wooden widget]

Replace Bitter immunity with phial gg

[uneven mason]

How miss gladiator, we're doing DPS damage while tanking

[limber temple]

I miss telling 39 other people to not press anything until they see 3 sunders.

[limber temple]

Then deliberately holding back that 3rd.

[nimble rock]

You monster

[autumn marsh]

I tried a TBC private server ages ago, and thought "ill go prot paladin"
Worst mistake i ever made

I just used to MD the guild rogue on pull whilst he was behind the boss, it was a game we used to play as hunter/rogue if he could react quick enough and not get splatted

[plush tendon]

The only thing I miss about classic wow.... is that tanks got prio on loot

now its "oh, hes a tank... he doesnt need anything'

I'm still the most geared in guild.... but still

[autumn marsh]

Im enjoying being able to play, and NOT have to be forced to raid if i want progression

I can get tier without even raiding once

[plush tendon]

the new raid is good though

I would actually recommend it

even just a heroic group

like a hour and a half to clear

[warm plinth]

I'd recommend @ionic fern because he cute

[autumn marsh]

We will be taking a poke at it in future, i just like nnot being forced

We are a group of old men now, and dont get the time we used to to play 😛

[rose cobalt]

The trash is harder than the bosses man

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

👀

[plush tendon]

[mellow fable]

Hey guys sorry if this has been asked before. Just wanted some clarification on whether IP reduces the damage on Raz thunderous blast.

[plush tendon]

I think so? Dont see why not. But SW and Spell Reflect more then enough

can also snag SpellBlock for it if you cant get SW up fast enough to use it for your second blast

[warm plinth]

There is literally nothing that IP doesn't reduce the damage of.

[plush tendon]

or doudlbe SW

[limpid anchor]

Double sw is int

You get sw for every tank busters

[jagged pier]

spell block

[solar willow]

Doesn't reduce emotional damage T-T

[jagged pier]

SR

[plush tendon]

I mean, I do

[jagged pier]

be in WF

[plush tendon]

im just suggesting it in case you dont

[jagged pier]

u get SW

without double SW

[mellow fable]

Thanks. I was just checking for our tank to minimise raid damage

[plush tendon]

theyll be fine

just press some buttons

all good

[quiet monolith]

im a fury main but recently picked up tanking. I parse absolute dog shit as a prot war. ive read the guides and everything... i worry there is some critical thing im missing for doing some dam. any suggestions or top tips/mechanics I might be not figuring out?

[proud oyster]

Hi guys, for HOV, what do you guys do to reliably avoid the Lightning Breath frontal from the storm drake? i start strafing 1 sec before the cast ends, but more often than not, i end up getting hit by one tick, and its pretty damn painful especially when doing a triple pull for that

[jagged pier]

logs

[quiet monolith]

im embarassed, its mostly greys

[autumn marsh]

[errant fossil]

Hey what do you guys think which Trinkets are currently the best for protection? Which ones from Raid and which ones from M+?

[autumn marsh]

We were all shit once, most of us still are 😄

[quiet monolith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/mannoroth/bigdoinkz#boss=2639

here is a whopping grey 9