protection

[tulip kelp]

The wall and the pizza slice on the ground does insane damage now

[prisma crane]

they made the wall basically instant death

[craggy pilot]

but what did they change?

[prisma crane]

used to not do much

[true hound]

Target a lvl 70 mob normal/elite and equip different ilvl shields as you hover over block and you'll see how much you would block.

[craggy pilot]

it should be insta death though, but it should be visible where it kills you

shouldnt just give you dot when not in it

so fucked

[tulip kelp]

It does crazy dmg now.. last week you could heal through debuff

[prisma crane]

the old strategy was to not kill the wall because the dot used to go away when the wall went away

[craggy pilot]

oh ye with the leap cheese

[prisma crane]

imo the fix would have been to just make the dot have a timer on it and slightly buff dmg

not make dmg like 100x what it was

[true hound]

Now, you die through all defensives in a fort +20 with that dot..

[tulip kelp]

Yep

Thats what happened last night lol

[craggy pilot]

this is not the broken part about it though

[prisma crane]

its just a bad design, you'll die in a 10

[craggy pilot]

if you just can see where it kills you

that makes sense

[uneven mason]

My favorite is the fact that the wall dot applies itself half the time even if you make a hole

[true hound]

Perhaps a Spell Block would keep you safe, but nothjing else

[craggy pilot]

shit should be punishing on +20

[prisma crane]

there's a difference between punishing and being unclear while also instant death

[craggy pilot]

yea

but youre saying the bad thing is it does too much dmg?

[true hound]

Sure, punishing, but one mistake-as-a-tank-punishing is a bit too much.

Different if it was dispellable

[craggy pilot]

it is the same with a lot of frontals

[prisma crane]

imo, just make it like other buffs they've had, the longer you're in the wall the more dmg the dot does

[craggy pilot]

lines on COS last boss fx

[tulip kelp]

Its the wall and its also the pizza slice.. sometimes due to positioning you can't avoid the pizza slice while damaging wall

[prisma crane]

so if you touch it for 1/10th ofa second you're not just cooked

[tulip kelp]

And pizza slice does the same dot, instant death

[true hound]

There isnt a single tank buster on +20 tyra doing the same amount of damage

[craggy pilot]

no

pizza slice reduces your dmg by 50%

[tulip kelp]

No

[prisma crane]

the slice is nothing

[craggy pilot]

no dot

[tulip kelp]

Last night

The pizza slice was instant death

[acoustic edge]

ah. so like there's no list somewhere? i just got the 379 shield off AV. wondering if it might be worth it dumping my valor in it. originally was going to wait till i get a trinket or something

[true hound]

Yeah, better take pizza slize instead of wall.

[craggy pilot]

you stood in wall then bro

[uneven mason]

It hurts

[true hound]

Pizza slize is not insta death

[prisma crane]

ppl are better off just taking that hit than touching the wall

[tulip kelp]

100% did not

[oak echo]

Because it isn't a tank buster. It's idiot protection in the easiest dungeon by a mile

[prisma crane]

either way, front of the wall is clear, tail end is arbitrary AF

[oak echo]

You can wipe on that fight 3 times and still 2 chest

[pallid quiver]

Listen, you stand in the wall if it says you're in it

[craggy pilot]

thats just the timer being too long though, different topic all together 😄

[pallid quiver]

Not if you're in it

[true hound]

I doubt it. I just did some testing myself to see how much difference a 418 shield would be vs my 389. The 418 shield has 2000 more block value. And swapping between some lower shield my conclusion was that 2000 block is about 11% more damage blocked.

[oak echo]

True

[prisma crane]

i also hate range that dont stand in melee for the worm

[uneven mason]

Fyi wall applies dot if you're in the gap sometimes due to lag

[prisma crane]

especially when i say to stand closer like 100x

[tulip kelp]

Maybe that's what it was then.. cause I was always in middle of gap

[prisma crane]

and have the time to type out that melee are wasting time while we stand there 20 yds from the boss

[pallid quiver]

SBG is among my least favorite dungeons this season solely due to worm boss

It looks so bad, it feels bad, it frels so buggy, I've been grabbed out of the puddles with inhale so many times

[uneven mason]

If you leap it treats your original position as truth as well

[acoustic edge]

11% sounds kinda significant 🤔

[prisma crane]

imo, take like 5 min off the timer, cut worm hp by 20% and nerf the wall dmg or make it CRYSTAL clear where it ends

[uneven mason]

11% is 3 raid tiers of mitigation

[prisma crane]

especially when consider it's 11% off the pre mitigation values

[true hound]

Looking at my +20 fort i just did where i charged through the wall and got the dot it did 135k/second. For 15sec.

[prisma crane]

making stuff like IP last longer than 11% longer

[true hound]

113k with spell reflect up.

[tulip kelp]

Then it was bugged.. it was doing like 250K on me with SW up

For me

Same +20 fort last night

[quaint folio]

I thought they patched the wall of bones so that it doesn't fade when the event ends

[prisma crane]

did you have BSV and it proc?

[prisma crane]

they did

[true hound]

+20 fort, with spell reflect up

[atomic inlet]

any suggestion guys?

[tropic tangle]

craft the shield

[prisma crane]

already said to get the shield

[atomic inlet]

didnt saw

[prisma crane]

it's a MASSIVE upgrade for you

use your valor elsewhere

[tulip kelp]

I upgraded my shield, was so cheap

[atomic inlet]

its 250 per lvl

[prisma crane]

still, use it elsewhere, crafted would still be 3 ilvls higher and you already have the 3 other best items crafted

[tulip kelp]

I'd much rather craft 418 weapon, boots, belt, etc cause valor cost

[prisma crane]

what the hell else would you craft?

he already has weapon and belt and neck

[tulip kelp]

Yeah I'm just saying why I didn't

[true hound]

157k unmitigated in a +20 fort.

[elfin nest]

What are people dropping to take bitter immunity if you don't have a poison dispel in academy, if anything

[prisma crane]

i use spell reflect and SW

[tulip kelp]

He has 398 boots too.. boots never dropped for me, would be more cost effective to make boots and upgrade shield.. just saying

[atomic inlet]

hmm

[tulip kelp]

Now 415 vs 418.. def giving up a tad

[prisma crane]

but i suppose you could drop sidearm

boots are so low impact vs shield

[tulip kelp]

Does anyone know the difference between 415 and 418 shield? From DR %

[prisma crane]

more than the same for boots lol

that's all that matters

[tulip kelp]

I had 418 AV shield in vault but it didn't seem worth it cause my other option was belt that went from 376 -> 421

[elfin nest]

I don't know why I didn't consider dropping sidearm

[tulip kelp]

Prob would have taken it if it was 421.. but +3 seems mehhh

[prisma crane]

meh there because you can get the same from crafting, yea

[neon elk]

Thats on you then

[tropic tangle]

seems like the right move...if you craft the 418 shield

[atomic inlet]

i watched the top 10 raider io prot wars

[prisma crane]

ppl sitting on the easiest upgrade choice of your life is just odd to me

[atomic inlet]

no one had the sheild idk why

[prisma crane]

because they probably already had drops

you have a 395

[neon elk]

I personaly crafted shield+wep first so i dont have to loot in prot and risk bad trinkets

[prisma crane]

looking at top io isnt always useful because it doesnt tell a whole picture

its getting more useful each wk, but at the end of the day ppl take the upgrades available to them

[atomic inlet]

what u recommend then

[tulip kelp]

did not craft the 418 heh

[prisma crane]

for the 3rd time, you should craft your shield

[tropic tangle]

I know, that's why I said it.

[atomic inlet]

wasnt what i was saying but ok chill 🙂

[safe mango]

quick question about grief torch, do we lose our active mit when the trinket is channeling?

[prisma crane]

apologies then, you were asking about best way to figure out which way to go?

[tulip kelp]

So you're saying I should have crafted 418 shield if I had 415 already instead of crafting 418 vers bracers to rep 405 mastery/vers bracers?

[atomic inlet]

yep

np 😄

[prisma crane]

generally speaking we go off of a priority list, ilvl >>>haste>> blah blah

shield is our #1 slot because of how impactful it is to our survivability

[tulip kelp]

I wanna see numbers on 3 ilvl lol

[prisma crane]

i feel like we're in a weird scenario where warr are so tanky that ppl just forget the shield is still extremely useful

[tropic tangle]

to expand on this, every person in the top 10 on Raider.io has a 415 or higher shield

[tulip kelp]

Like i know its the most important, buts its 3 ilvl

[tropic tangle]

the ones that are wearing 415 are doing so because they got the drop out of Mythic Raid

[atomic inlet]

yep i saw

[prisma crane]

if there's one item you don't want to be behind on it's your shield, after that probably weapon, then probably trinkets

[tulip kelp]

Nah I've seen a few with M+ 415s

[prisma crane]

from there it's just get upgrades where you can

[tropic tangle]

which means they're choosing to sacrifice 3 ilvls to upgrade other slots

[atomic inlet]

thx guys im crafting the shield

[prisma crane]

congrats!

you'll 100% notice the difference right away

[atomic inlet]

hope so 🙂

[fallow osprey]

the mad lad actually did it

[prisma crane]

obviously bleeds and magic dont give a fuck about your new shield, but now everything else going on at the same time as those other two will be less of a nuisance

[tropic tangle]

every person wearing 415 shield in the top 10 is wearin Flame Marshal's Bulwark

[tulip kelp]

Ahh, I was looking at first page I think

[prisma crane]

yea, another thing to consider is that those players in the top 10 had to make that decision with a single spark available, if they got a 415 shield they arent going to waste the spark on a shield

[tropic tangle]

imo, makes sense for them. they're early to Mythic Raid, get the drop and it doesn't consume valor or sparks

[tulip kelp]

Either way.. my 415 cost me 750 valor and provides same mitigation as the Mythic Flame Marshal's Bulwark right?

[prisma crane]

a reason many had used on a weapon

[prisma crane]

yes

but when presented with the choice of boots or shield, you'll pick shield all day long, valor cost isnt THAT impactful

[tropic tangle]

yeah, esp when you consider valor capped item comes in below the crafted

[tulip kelp]

I already wasted the valor though because I screwed up and I'm short a spark heh

[tropic tangle]

people raiding at the bleeding edge are making gear decisions with far fewer resources

[prisma crane]

also, fwiw, if you make a shield, you can just go fury/arms for vault and get actually useful trinkets

[tropic tangle]

fewer sparks, lower valor cap, etc

[tulip kelp]

I crafted the wrong neck week 1 and then did lariat with second spark

[neon elk]

Also its kind of "oportunity" cost to me. U should have crafted shield which is higher ilvl, keep the boots on low as they are easier to loot than shield ( more drops and also more people eligible to loot and trade) and u should have spend valor on another impactful item like trinket .

[prisma crane]

also good points

[regal yarrow]

Do I want to keep stacking haste past 30%?

[neon elk]

Yes but u are free to sim

[mighty valley]

yeah, the dropoff doesn't get too bad until 40%

also if that's counting ITF, that's fake

flat percentage haste gains aren't affected by diminishing returns

[atomic inlet]

feels good

[true hound]

Feels not so good. Especially +20 fortified keys...

[atomic inlet]

😦

now the big question where to put valor too 😄

[zinc spruce]

i cant believe that swapping between 389 and 398 shoulders doesnt give me my 1 ilvl

so it can round up

[sick sentinel]

is there a point when i should not focus haste as much because DR on stat? because im at 4700 haste right now...

[true hound]

wish i had your haste

[tulip harness]

Is unstable frostfire belt any good if you don't have whatever raid rings it can proc?

[mighty valley]

same ~1% as the other embellishments

[tulip harness]

doesn't really matter if I get that or armorr spikes then i suppose?

[true hound]

Depends if you struggle with survivability or not.

[craggy pilot]

i love it when people pull 2 minibosses at the same time in COS

and they say "just go bro"

with +100% hp and +100% dmg on each 😄

like does anyone ever pull multiple at the same time? seems omega troll to me

[lucid pendant]

The Shockwave guy is kinda irrelevant

[mighty valley]

Nope, if all is equal you might as well get belt in case you happen to get the ring

[zinc spruce]

i havent seen it

[mighty valley]

but it's not a huge deal

[craggy pilot]

yea but 2x hp 🤔

[lucid pendant]

Sounds like it's slower though

Which is very relevant

[craggy pilot]

exactly

we killed Enforcer

[tulip harness]

Yeah, but i don't raid, like at all, so I never will :/ and shield is alot bigger upgrade for me atm

[craggy pilot]

and when it died healer went to the body and clicked it insta

[mighty valley]

yeah then don't worry about it

[craggy pilot]

even though i wrote "dont click body"

[true hound]

Haste is rage regen, high uptime on SB etc. But if you dont struggle with rage or SB uptime, then versa/crit is your go to. Versa just because it'll help more vs heavy tank busters.

[sick sentinel]

unless you get insane dmg from 2 target cleave. enough to counteract the 100% hp gain then it's not worht it. (you'll never get enough dmg for that to be worth it)

[zinc spruce]

Just tell them they should pull the boss next time, with all the enforcers and stuff

[atomic inlet]

4700? daymn
can i see ur io for ilvl reasons?

[true hound]

Haste up to 30% is probably the best defensive secondary we have.

[zinc spruce]

GOD DAYUM

Matt kinda nuts

[atomic inlet]

im at 3500

idk how u got that much

[tropic tangle]

got 4400 at 395, but I'm catching the 340 from primal infused gear still

[zinc spruce]

My haste is also piss

i have a question, was ignore pain ever a GCD

🥹

[true hound]

i have 2500crit 2500haste 1500mastery 3000versa in 397 ilvl gear. But i dont feel my secondaries are holding me back currently. My low ilvl shield is.

[mighty valley]

secondaries are like... almost never the problem

[hardy ridge]

I have around that too at 412 ilvl

[opal flame]

all right boys, I don't want to brag but having 4 set is so much better than 2 set

[sick sentinel]

also im like 2400 io. so it needs work. I started maining my warrior last week pretty much.

I didnt see the io part of that question

[true hound]

What lvl of keys are you doing with that amount of gear?

[spring scarab]

Shit talking the raid with the other tank through whisper>

[prisma crane]

Best is on trinkets you likely won't replace. For example the whetstone

[atomic inlet]

i meant ur io link to see whats gear ur using

[atomic inlet]

non of them are upgradble

[prisma crane]

It was and it was extremely bad. Beginning of BFA

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Khiclap

[true hound]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TkCwKqQz4gdHyAhm/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=3

[sick sentinel]

my haste should drop a little tonight i think? depending on if my raid gives me 4 set

D:

[prisma crane]

After that I would do bis stat items you feel you're least likely to replace

[tropic tangle]

IMO, aim to replace Decoration with a Whetstone

then use valor on it, unless you are lucky and get it from vault

[true hound]

Here's a +20 AA i did on my undergeared armor. Only clutch for me was dying when crawth had 4% hp left(the rdruid and boomie managed to solo the rest).

[hardy ridge]

lmao i also cant get whetstone to drop https://raider.io/characters/us/bleeding-hollow/Shpack

[atomic inlet]

got he nokhand too but i think thos 2 are better

[hardy ridge]

nogud

[craggy pilot]

jesus christ

i pop readycheck

heal presses ready

put in key

and healer is afk for 5minutes+

[true hound]

decoration flame is really good for snap threat, and deals/heals for about 1100-1300 dps/hps over a dungeon at 389ilvl. But it is ny no means a "oh fuck" button.

[graceful kite]

My group disbanded on crawth today

Funniest shit ever

[tawny cypress]

Wind phase is pure cancer

[prisma crane]

feelsbad, i know the pain during SL TW, meanwhile in DF i've seen 4 minimum

[true hound]

Apparently you can abuse Decoration of Flame a bit too? By charging in, casting it on one mob, and when the fire balls come in to do damage/shield again, they do full damage on all targets instead of split damage.

[mighty valley]

if you ever run the numbers on your chance to get a specific item per dungeon run, the odds are Not Good lmao

[sick sentinel]

that's some sick tech

[craggy pilot]

i did 55 runs in COS

still no whetstone

[prisma crane]

pretty sure those exact words are in the DJ actually

[graceful kite]

My guildie got his on 59th

Godspeed

[true hound]

Crawth is just such a pain. Really gotta keep SB up. Max out IP for the initial hit of bleed, then just spend all rage on IP until it expires.

[mighty valley]

i've just resolved to never fixate on a specific item

[graceful kite]

I meant disbanded by the game

Not by leader

[craggy pilot]

im almost there

[true hound]

How do you mean?

[graceful kite]

Game disbanded our group

[sturdy sable]

some servers are just having the groups disband

for no reason

[graceful kite]

Kicked us from the dungeon

[true hound]

Ah, that'sa pity

[sturdy sable]

kept happening during farm last night

[graceful kite]

And our key was nonexistent

[prisma crane]

counts the dungeon as reset too so you cant even recover if you had time left

[hardy ridge]

you sure the leader didnt disband it?

[prisma crane]

its 100% a server issue

[graceful kite]

Yep

I was the leader

[torpid junco]

whats a good spot to be at for vers?

[mighty valley]

any%

[prisma crane]

hell its why yesterday i saw so many ppl doing WQs, it was about the only thing to do safely

[graceful kite]

Yeah raids are being disbanded all the time now

[prisma crane]

any amount that doesnt sacrifice ilvl or haste

[torpid junco]

10% bad?

[graceful kite]

I got mad with wow, tried to play tarkov amd had bsod 2 times in 5 minutes

So wow seems relatively good

[mighty valley]

literally any number is fine

don't worry about it, take item level upgrades

[prisma crane]

going to sound like im giving you a shitty answer but its the correct answer, don't worry about the % at all

the only time vers even matters, AT ALL, is if you're doing extremely high keys, and if you were doing those you'd already know why

[sick sentinel]

Is eye of skovold good now?

[graceful kite]

More vers is better, but ilvl >vers

[true hound]

Mastery = attack power = biger ignore pains and more damage. Crit = parry %, bigger shield block crits. Versa = Reduced damage, increased healing and increased damage.

[prisma crane]

incorrect, ilvl >>> haste > crit/vers

[graceful kite]

Ye

[true hound]

They all even out pretty evenly. But Haste is the best defensive stat, followed by versa => crit > mastery

[mighty valley]

i mean "more vers is better" is definitely true but more of any stat is better than less of a stat ha

[graceful kite]

Week seems good btw

I had havoc die for 10 times in a row from shieldmaiden frontal tho

[mighty valley]

i'm doing haste/crit when i have the option

[true hound]

I actually dropped aoe fear and sidearm to get Piercing Howl for a couple of pug keys.

Melee dps dont know how to not get hit by spites..

[graceful kite]

Well usually you can just chainpull

To get away

[dusty frigate]

🙏 Finally after grinding this shit rep for like 4 hours

[graceful kite]

But on some pulls its not very comfortable

[true hound]

Yeah, ofc. but some mobs die earlier.

[sick sentinel]

#notspeccingintingshoutfor rest of df

[mighty valley]

not a very catchy hashtag

[true hound]

And in a lot of keys you have enough of stops to get all critical casts.

[graceful kite]

I wanna reroll highmountain

[austere marsh]

assembly ring is imba, isnt it?

it does like 3% dps

[graceful kite]

To drop swave for rosr cd reduction

[graceful kite]

Absorb one is good too

[sick sentinel]

Shockwave gives rage, so thats probably a hard nop

[graceful kite]

In high keys

[heady stratus]

Guys is the same Obsidian Seared Slicer(Axe) or Primal Molten Longsword (sword)?

[dusty frigate]

No shot is dropping shockwave ever worth

[sick sentinel]

shockwave also buffed by talents we take

[dusty frigate]

Its the same yes

[graceful kite]

Why

[true hound]

Had a juicy Spell Block critical block on Hyrja the other day in +18 tyra. 500k hit, 490k blocked :))

[sick sentinel]

it gives rage

[heady stratus]

It is only chosen for aesthetics, so right?

[dusty frigate]

it gives rage and can stun

[sick sentinel]

you need rage to do dps to hold aggro, and to use IP and shield block to live

[dusty frigate]

Pretty much yeah

[heady stratus]

ty

[prisma crane]

i'd argue that intervene is more useful if you have melee

[sick sentinel]

shockwave is what, 20 rage each time, not the greatest, but still an amount

[graceful kite]

Intervene is king of shades

And hov

[true hound]

Was thinking that aswell, then i dont ahve to drop fear

[graceful kite]

Pretty low

[dusty frigate]

Its an AoE stun tho

[graceful kite]

Thats why i said i should rerool to highmountain

[true hound]

ya. intervene for fenryr pretty much denies one of his mechnics completely

[graceful kite]

I have double monk in my group so lots of stuns

[sick sentinel]

frontal conal, but sure i'll bite

[prisma crane]

i also just mean for the spiteful as well

[true hound]

yeah ofc

[prisma crane]

so that at least one melee can help to kill the adds

[dusty frigate]

Yeah im happy about all the stuns i can do myself since i pug 90% of the time. Normal Tauren stomp, Shock wave, intim shout for another AoE stop etc

[sick sentinel]

shockwave is great to put on a huge group of spitefuls

[graceful kite]

Its a very short stun

[prisma crane]

obviously in many cases you want to just ignore them and move on, but its not always possible

[true hound]

Usually on cd by the time the mobs are dead though

[graceful kite]

Its good for interrupting stuff

[true hound]

except it might dr with other stuns

[graceful kite]

Yep

And thats why i wanna do highmountain

Since it doesnt share dr

Afaik

[fathom robin]

Pins don't mention crafting shield as an priority, but Ive seen it mentioned here before as a number one recommended crafted item. Anyone have some input on this? Thanks.

[sick sentinel]

well, okay, but i'd reconsider against dropping shockwave

is last i'm gunna say

[graceful kite]

Well i dont have much to do anyways

[true hound]

its mostly aimed at being able to get the 415 shield from first boss i M vault

[true hound]

What would you drop shockwave for?

[sick sentinel]

almost nothing given current talnets

[fathom robin]

I see, so in the even that your not in an M raising guild, consider crafting.

Event

Raiding** wow autocorrect

[graceful kite]

Actually interrupting shout might be better in stun heavy groups in some dungeons

[true hound]

I'd say so, yes, or prioritize spending valor on shield if you get one.

[sick sentinel]

too much works with eachother crap in baseline build and it happens to help shockwave

[graceful kite]

Using it in cos is very nice

[fathom robin]

Perfect thanks for the direction

[sick sentinel]

interupiting shout, thats a new one lol

[true hound]

For me, i'm going to get the 418 crafted shield(without embelishment). I have lariat, i have the belt and my shield is only 389 ilvl.

So 389->418 shield would be a massive upgrade for me personally

[tawny cypress]

Mellow that log you linked was interesting. How the hell were you not losing aggro constantly in that group?

[fathom robin]

Gotcha that makes sense.

[tawny cypress]

Or did you just deal with it

[true hound]

Currently only have 40% block value against elites. With a 418 that would put me closer to 50%, meaning critical block will deal almost 0 damage too.

[true hound]

Which one? The aletghars academy?

[tawny cypress]

Ya

[graceful kite]

Can u link the log

[true hound]

I mean, i did at some point at tree boss because we pulled way too big.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TkCwKqQz4gdHyAhm/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=3

[graceful kite]

?

[tawny cypress]

it's "Intimidating Shout"

[true hound]

I even played BSV instead of Show of force.

[tawny cypress]

or "Disrupting Shout"

[graceful kite]

Why should he

[true hound]

But basically, with lots of mobs pulled back to back, id use ravager for one pull and hold roar for next

[regal yacht]

Anyone stance dancing during combat? Or set it and forget it?

[tawny cypress]

His weap is 392, overall ilvl 397. And his DPS was 404,408,408

[graceful kite]

Set it to battle

And use defensive on big hits if youre dry on cds

[true hound]

I'm new as warrior. But i've started to change stance more frequently now. Not several times during a battle. But once or twice if i notice i'm struggling.

Almost exclusively sit in battle stance, except for very scary pulls and high tyra bosses, i swap back to defstance.

[graceful kite]

I consider dstance a last resort defensive

[tawny cypress]

Generally at what key level Mellow?

[true hound]

I feel fine in up to +18, after that i really have to plan SB uptime etc

Have multiple CE and +26-27 exp from SL, but on other tanks. So am new to warrior. Still failing my rotation some times.

[tawny cypress]

I'm brand new as of 2 weeks on Tank

[mighty valley]

With HR, I've almost completely stopped thinking about SB uptime

It's just... up

[true hound]

Also a lot of new dungeons where i'm still not 100% sure what casts and what mobs hurt, so my shield walls are usually misplaced when i'm low or double use it with LS

[graceful kite]

Sb should have 100% uptime with hr

[tawny cypress]

Ya was just reading about HR in this channel. I want ITF so bad, but noticed the 10yd condition. Said meh

I'm keeping HR

[true hound]

I run HR if its a dungeon with zero downtime. But into the fray in dungeons like AA, AV, HoV, CoS etc

[graceful kite]

And use both talent below shield charge

Theyre great

[true hound]

battering ram is arlight during tyra week in a dungeon with low trash count

otherwise i'd go SoF

[weary saddle]

lol in HOV i have been alternating in runs between pulling bulls and bears - i still am unsure whether bulls or bears are more efficient

[sick sentinel]

"interrupting shout" this makes me smile

[tawny cypress]

my melee hates bulls

[true hound]

Bears for sure. Much slower. And you can kite away the bleed

[sick sentinel]

its funny bcuz its true on trash and adds

[tawny cypress]

and bears are trivial for a pwar

[true hound]

Also you got 6-7 of them in the same area. free%

[sick sentinel]

i know what you meant, but it just fits together so well lol

[weary saddle]

when pulling bulls, pugs sometimes die to swirlies. when pulling bears, healer sometimes cannot heal me or i kite badly

[graceful kite]

Bears all the way

[mighty valley]

i pull like... nothing but wolves in there

[graceful kite]

Pull 7 ez count

[mighty valley]

maybe i should try bears

[warm plinth]

Do fenryr second. Do bears after boss. Profit.

[true hound]

Pull all bears, pop defensives, pop SW, do all the damage you can. Then just kite

[tawny cypress]

pull minimum amount of wolves, they're too scary

[graceful kite]

I pull 5 wolves on the way to the boss

[true hound]

Shouldnt have to heal you after that and you shouldnt lose aggro

[graceful kite]

7 bears on the way out

[tawny cypress]

5 bears for me, 3 if we tried skipping dragon

heh "tried"

[graceful kite]

They seem fine for me until high stacks

Like 8+

[weary saddle]

wolves are scary cos they charge the dps and healers. i pull fortified wolves separately instead of all 5 together

[true hound]

what key lvl do you pull 5 wolves? Have found it works fine if people actually spread, and i have SW up and defensives.

[sick sentinel]

i did 2 cliff side wolf packs seperately last week, and then on way back, you get 2-4 bulls depending on if you got dragon or not

[graceful kite]

20 21

[tawny cypress]

I pretty sure he means 2 pack then 3 pack wolves

[sick sentinel]

still need 1-3 bulls on route im takin

[tawny cypress]

5 wolves on fort = dead DPS

[graceful kite]

They leap to the place

So people can run in circles

[weary saddle]

fortified wolves - even if tank survives, the wolves charge and one shot the dps

[graceful kite]

And ignore their leap

[tawny cypress]

Avoiding wolves leap by running = meme. It's not real

even in jdotb's vid he died showing it off lol

[graceful kite]

Works for my group

[weary saddle]

lol i saw that vid yesterday so funny rite

[tawny cypress]

you'd need a turbo mobile healer or dps to avoid SOME of the leaps

[lone eagle]

Really you just have an rdruid or an evoker always moving

[warm plinth]

I just want the Legion pond strategy back. Pull all the wolves at once

[lone eagle]

They will hit sometimes

but with a small amount of movement they will dodge 90% of the time

[true hound]

Stagger the wolves, pull 2, hit the for 2 sec, then go in the the next 3, ST stun one, and go blasting.

[lone eagle]

our rdruid just stays at range and all the leaps go to him

he dodges most

[true hound]

Everyone should stay spread.

[lone eagle]

my standard route pulls 2 + 2 and 3

[graceful kite]

Dunno i just use avatar and clap

Im not that smart

Works alright

[weary saddle]

actually this week the wolves are harder than fenrir lol

[warm plinth]

👢 🍵 👏

[lone eagle]

I've done no wolf routes but

[tawny cypress]

initially my group aoe stunned the wolves as 5. Had a good rotiation doing. Then all wolves woke up and leapt at same time lol

[lone eagle]

don't trust DPS to not pull

[tawny cypress]

we don't aoe stun anymore on them

[lone eagle]

So I just clean up 7 of the closest wolves

[graceful kite]

5 is enough i think

[true hound]

Better only pull the ones you must, which is none. They guve 1% count. Rather go kill all bears(give 1.68%) and/or bulls(1.48%). Easier, safer, and faster.

[graceful kite]

Other 2 are out of the way

[lone eagle]

The issue with 2 and 3 is pull efficiency

4 is kind of the reasonable cap you can expect to pull

[graceful kite]

So pull 5

[true hound]

There is no need to kill wolves. Play intervene. Intervene the target getting focused. No one has to move an inch.

[lone eagle]

5 in low 20s is still one shot territory

[graceful kite]

Doesnt 1 oneshot u

Anyways

[true hound]

Not at all

[tawny cypress]

How do you avoid all wolves?

[stark lance]

Which dungeons do I take Spell Block for?

[graceful kite]

Healer baits the wolves, others are dpsing

[graceful kite]

Tjs tyr

For 3rd boss

[stark lance]

Gotcha

[true hound]

Most. The ohter one is just damage.

[graceful kite]

U can do rlp also

[stark lance]

and when can I run Into the Fray

i see most high level wars taking it now

[graceful kite]

Damage completes keys

[stark lance]

im 405 and running 20~ or so

[true hound]

Spell Block is also your strongest defensive against Hyrja frontal.

[tender cove]

So i will be on laser duty on that egg smashing boss. Any tips? tricks? It's just heroic but I was benched for other trials today and now RL specifically asked for me to handle that, so i think if I do good job i'll pass trial and then i can just xfer and we start mythic in 2 weeks (new guild rebuilding)

[true hound]

The 1500 dps from tough as nails is not gonna time any keys for you.

[mighty valley]

i'm the adds tank but don't you just like... follow the path and break the eggs? make sure you don't cross the adds path?

[graceful kite]

Its bigger than 1500

[tawny cypress]

it's about 4%

[graceful kite]

It does around 6%? For me i think

[lone eagle]

As prot?

[tender cove]

yes

[lone eagle]

Whats your raid setup

[true hound]

In my AA +20 i just did it did 2.75mil damage, 3,3% of overall, 1431dps.

[mighty valley]

yeah, tough as nails is real damage, don't just blindly toss it

[lone eagle]

Are you 2 tanking or 3 tanking

[graceful kite]

Well u did 35k if logs are correct

[true hound]

Logs are for the entire timer.

[tender cove]

3 tanking. vdh, me pwar and a bdk. vdh will be on add duty

[true hound]

details shows 42,9k.

[tender cove]

I will handle lasers with a rogue

[lone eagle]

Its pretty easy to 2 tank

I've been 2 tanking since the first week; you might not have the sway for that though

[graceful kite]

Dont want to turn on pc to check my last run

[tender cove]

all 3 tanks are trials, so i think they're just trying to decide while making boss easier

[true hound]

I'm also sitting on below 400 ilvl with a 392 wep and 389 shield and went BSV instead of show of force

[lone eagle]

Thats fair I guess, but extra tanks raises the DPS requirement

[graceful kite]

Let it be your way

[lone eagle]

Anyway, what are your questions re: eggs

I solo tank boss and have been doing eggs since first week

Although I usually just help on the triples and let heals do the duo sets

[tender cove]

I dunno. is there anything special to it? just guide lasers trough eggs and keep moving? Any path that is easier/harder?

[lone eagle]

There's a few routes you can do, WoWhead recommends a 1/3/4/10 triple set

[true hound]

New to warrior. Playing defensively, and we did some really pussy pulls due to setup with low amounts of interrupts

as well as low gear

[lone eagle]

I made my own route partially based on Sense's the first week since information was pretty not useful that first week for Heroic Brood

On mine I do triples on 1-2-3-6

[tender cove]

they wanted us to 3 tank that wind boss, durthia or w/e, im bad with names it also felt bit excessive

[lone eagle]

It sounds like your guild doesn't trust its tanks

[tender cove]

but i dont want to argue, im just ,yes, i can do it, yes, np

[lone eagle]

How many tanks are they trialing right now

[graceful kite]

Why

[tender cove]

one of them is pretty bad, the other is decent. I'm miles ahead of both.

[tender cove]

because they wanted to skip the 3rd platform and just off tank the add but I could have done that with just the other tank, and just switch on the zephyrs, right?

[lone eagle]

I can share my route for you I guess

[weary saddle]

I was under the impression the benefit to tough as nails lies in the additional threat instead of the dmg

[graceful kite]

Warrior can tank 24/7

You can charge every slam

[mighty valley]

threat isn't really a problem in any case

[graceful kite]

They might not be warriors tho...

[tender cove]

I do but wont it get to a point where I cant? like 5+ stacks?

[graceful kite]

5 stacks is cap

And no

Just charge

Dont use shield charge is doesnt work sometimes

You can leap also

[mighty valley]

it is like... a mild latency hiccup and you die, but if all things are going well you can charge it

[graceful kite]

Worked fine for me all the time

[tender cove]

yeh, i was memeing about the other people not having leap or charge xD

[lone eagle]

Just spam charge whenever the cast is going out

like mash that button

[graceful kite]

Yea

And charge is ofgcd

[true hound]

Shouldnt have threat issues anyway

[tender cove]

i have it on forward scroll, best button for it 😄

[graceful kite]

So its ez

[tender cove]

but yes, plz share your route for the egg boss

see if its a lot different than what they want me to do

RL is looking at warcraftlogs to see "optimal" routes for mythic and wants us to practice that.

i dunno.

[graceful kite]

Isnt there a pic everyone uses

For a common pattern

[tender cove]

yeh, seen it in the video guide i watched. but was bit different from the one rl drew.
I dunno, i'm still tank so i should kinda know whats optimal even if its up to the RL how he wants us to execute it.

or whatever that may be, cant hurt to contribute better strats 😛

I just wanna pass the trial so i can keep playing m+ with the healer officer xD

[jade trench]

Wowhead says not to do tripples, is it fine?

[graceful kite]

You dont have to

[lone eagle]

This is what I put together first week

[graceful kite]

But it speeds up the fight

[lone eagle]

After some trial and error

Reasoning is that we had enough CDs to comfortably cover first 3 egg sets, might as well get them rolling

6th egg set healers have something up again

It paths through the middle a couple times to make it convenient for the add group to DPS on their return trips

[graceful kite]

That boss is dumb

[lone eagle]

Would probably use the wowhead one only because if you wipe your RL won't blame it on a routing issue despite that probably not being the problem

[mortal brook]

if you can live the triples, do the triples

[true hound]

Just mark different groups of eggs in the room and make a personal note that shows what order you're going to take.

[graceful kite]

I just imagined myself being a paladin and asking to stay on boss just to not run all the way

[lone eagle]

Only thing you need to know with my route

is egg set 6 (the triple), you want to blow up the egg then immediately heroic leap over and/or pop a CD since a mortal stoneclaws follows soon after

because adds spawn there right after the eggs break

if you know its coming you can comfortably get boss away to set 7 as they spawn

but definitely don't want to linger there

One reason I despise 3 tanking that fight is it fucks with boss positioning and both of you need to have 1 brain

[tulip kelp]

Does anyone have a good clean plater profile with all the M+ priorities assigned?

[lone eagle]

esp if you're doing triples

I heavily, heavily recommend talking your raid lead into just letting you 2 tank it

I did it on bear first week on heroic which is much harder than pwar and had no real issues

pwar I can literally sleep through that fight solo tanking boss

[flat sorrel]

How do you guys handle third boss TJS in high keys?

[odd tree]

There's some CD tips in the pins for tougher bosses

[jade trench]

Forget the third boss, teh last pack in the death sentence

[odd tree]

That last pack is pretty spicey

[jade trench]

In the 2nd phase the healing absorb cant be dispelled. Impending victory to help out.

[grave flower]

Pins

[inland mesa]

Is what we used. In heroic you need to do 4 clusters of 3 eggs to phase in time

[grave flower]

How do I survive:
-TJS 3rd boss
-RLP 2nd boss
-AA Crawth

Answer:
PLAN YOUR COOLDOWNS. Don't use them all at once.
-TJS 3rd boss - Use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP to mitigate initial hit, followed by IV/LS/Healthpot to help reduce healing absorb
-RLP 2nd boss - Searing Blows is a BLEED. Use Shield Block to block the initial hit and SW/DS/LS/IP to reduce the bleed damage (evoker/dwarf racial remove the bleed)
-Crawth - It's a BLEED. Same logic as RLP 2nd boss.

If needed be in DEFENSIVE STANCE

[odd tree]

Yoshi eggs

[inland mesa]

Path is green, red, orange, yellow mid, light green above, light blue mid, dark blue, purple, magenta, pink, grey, black

[bold furnace]

why does wow head list seal of diurna as a bis ring?

i didnt think anything was fire damage as prot?

[cinder nova]

Lots of trinkets do fire damage. Unstable frost-fire belt is fire damage.

There are a lot of vectors to acquire fire damage atm.

[lean zephyr]

does anyone know the guaranteed tech to get the dragon to kill the stag in hov?

[bold furnace]

ahhhhhhhh like the decoration of flame trinket

[austere dune]

Hey all - for tanking, I got 402 spellbane cutlass - got strike twice 392 atm. Worth upgrading strike twice as main weap for tank?

[cinder nova]

Grab a stag and pull it in. I didn't know there was a tech, but I've never seen him eat more than one after the initial nom.

[cinder nova]

Only if you care about a ~1% damage bump.

[tulip kelp]

Not worth the valor

[lean zephyr]

ive pulled the dragon and then a stag, and the drag never ate it. also heard it was because their models have to be on top of each other, tried that and it didnt work

[austere dune]

Great guys, thank you!

[tulip kelp]

Wait you can make him eat a second?

He eats one automatically when you pull him right, can you get another by pullling a stag?

[gloomy seal]

Is it worth taking Spell Block for H Raz?

[lone eagle]

Mythic, probably

heroic/normal the lightning blast really doesn't do enough damage nor does thunderous jaws to worry about it tbh

[true hound]

Finally. Found someone making 418 shield. 389-> 418 gave 5% more block value, 1% physical damage reduction from the extra armor and some extras

[lone eagle]

Was running a 379 shield on my pwar alt until this week lmao

Literally first thing I did this week

Craft that 418 shield

[steady steppe]

how am i supposed to know where the teleporting void spawn is on SBG

[tulip kelp]

Wonder what the block value and DR is going from 415 to 418

[true hound]

A critical block means it blocks double the value, right? not block*1.5 or *2 or somethng like that right?

[lone eagle]

Assuming you are at a normal pace

[tulip kelp]

Look

[lone eagle]

It spawns right relatively early

Then it swaps left after a bit

If you are slow you go right

[steady steppe]

does it swap after u attack the ritualists?

[lone eagle]

If you are at a decent speed you go left

[tulip kelp]

Can it swap during combat? Ie can it phase in while you’re killing?

[lone eagle]

I've had it swap during combat once but it felt like a bug

Normally I don't see it swap during combat

[tulip kelp]

Yeah I’ve never seen it but always low key worried it was gonna show up

[true hound]

Critical blocks is litterally just blocking double the amount. So if block value is 45%, a critical block is 90%?

[lone eagle]

I basically always plan to go left then I snap up the 4 pack from downstairs as well

and on fort week I lust that 8 pack

then lust 2nd boss and lust double void adds at end (on Fort)

[tulip kelp]

Wut.. you pull the 4 pack upstairs?

[warm plinth]

Yes and no. Crit is double, but it caps at 85% unless it's spell block.

[lone eagle]

Yeah, its dangerous in the sense that the mobs slap and can hit you before they port up

but worth it time and CD wise

[true hound]

Fair enough. Yeah, actually had a spell block on hyrjas frontal where 500k was blocked and i only took 10k or something.

[warm plinth]

yeah spell block is not capped insanely enough

[lone eagle]

You go to the edge where that arrow starts

[warm plinth]

Can literally effectively immune spells with it with a crit block

[lone eagle]

Target the caster, when they pat out you heroic throw and it'll hit through the floor

[tulip kelp]

Ohh word, and they port up and don’t run long way?

[lone eagle]

Then you go where that arrow edge is

and they should snap up relatively quickly

[tulip kelp]

Never even considered it

Cool I might give that a try

[lone eagle]

They port up and evade bug for 5 seconds

then they should be hittable

[warm plinth]

Your mom ports up and evade bugs for 5 seconds

gottem

[lone eagle]

I preplace my Ravager to catch them as soon as they come out of evade bug

kek

[tulip kelp]

I hate that pack cause of the 3 void slash

[lone eagle]

Then you roll CDs and spell block

I run Spell Block mostly just because I do that pull

for SMBG

[warm plinth]

when you have a toon for every spec and are trying to find one for item restore on your main server monkas

[tulip kelp]

I imagine that extends the time you’re there by a tonnn, and you’ve never had the void teleport over? That shit would usually wipe us if it happened

[lone eagle]

Nah

void tele was very weird

the 1 time it happened

But also I start walking them towards the spiders

and chain in the spiders too

[tulip kelp]

Fellow tich brother

[hard shell]

hi guys

[lone eagle]

usually the axeboys take longer than the rest of the pack

so might as well pull the spiders on them

[warm plinth]

[hard shell]

someone got a good plater profile for tanks ?

i cant remove background color

[tulip kelp]

Prot your main?

[warm plinth]

Outlaw rogue

[lone eagle]

Grab Quazii's

[warm plinth]

Been my main since the start of SL

[lone eagle]

Its very good IMO

I've been modifying and using an adapted version of Quazii's since SL start

https://quazii.com/shadowlands-plater-nameplates-profile/ @hard shell

[hard shell]

tnx man

[sick sentinel]

yeah, so everyone knows how you triple pull on the start of life pools on tyranical, well, i tried doing that on 12 this week, we go very quickly deleted lol, won't do that again on fort, lesson learn for nex time

[mighty valley]

there's a lot of ground shit for people to avoid

[lean zephyr]

I’ve done it on 19-20 fort and it felt fine, definitely gotta use stops on those earth mobs tho

[tulip kelp]

I did that pull on a 20 pug and no one came close to dying.. just depends if people CC the shit and watch feet

[lone eagle]

Make sure to rename the obnoxious mobs of the xpac

[sick sentinel]

i just figured "we have every cd" and tried to send it like normal

[tulip kelp]

Tectonic cast slaps for sure, I usually stop 3 myself on that pull

[tulip kelp]

Nah you need to stop that cast and it’s fine

[modern brook]

Gross

[sick sentinel]

for every class, sure, why not, i have one of everything horde and alliance

i got bored at end of SL

[warm plinth]

Mine is every spec 🙂

[stark lance]

If you had 402 Granyth, 395 All-Totem, and 389 Decoration, which combination would you run?

[dusty frigate]

Im currently using a Primal Ritual shell cause i dont have another trinket since only 2 days max level and its ilvl 385. Anyone here thats been using one of them or knows what buff u wanna go for? I'm assuming the fire dmg?

[sick sentinel]

99% chance i only play prot warrior anyways.....

[hard shell]

tnx sir, i will

[warm plinth]

Correct

[hard shell]

whats the update !?

[toxic marlin]

how good is the 4 set for prot?

cuz i can choose to get it from vault or a 408 2 hander for fury

[lone eagle]

You can get a 408 2 hander from a lot of things through the power of valor

entirely depends on how much you play dps

tier is a slightly bigger pita to get until next week

[toxic marlin]

true

[urban portal]

what is this new shit about ruby whelp shell

[tulip kelp]

Bis if you train him correctly

Time to watch some more Caesar Milan

[dusty frigate]

What do u train him to be good? Dealing dmg?

[strong forum]

You need to train it 6 times on dmg

Then you'll see results

[dusty frigate]

Damn so it actually takes 6 days huh

[tulip kelp]

Takes 6 days best place to train is senjinn village

[dusty frigate]

Dont u just need to target an enemy for him to train dmg?

[tender cove]

grieftorch, hoof and whetstone

[tulip kelp]

Stack as much int to properly train him

[strong forum]

Yes enlok

[tender cove]

which 2 to use?

[strong forum]

Grieftorch + whetstone

[tender cove]

ty

[strong forum]

So the story apparently is, I trained my dragon 6 times on dmg

But since it was before m+ release I could only test it on dummies reliably

AND THE TRINKET IS BUGGED ON DUMMIES

[grave flower]

I just DEd mine because I have whetstone and grieftorch

[dusty frigate]

💀

[strong forum]

some evidence supports that it's as good as grieftorch

But still super low proc rate

So yeah, for now PSA: Hold onto your whelp shells

[dusty frigate]

Hold onto it and train dmg 6 times got it. Time to farm my favorite (not) Dungeon RLP i guess

[tender cove]

I have DE'd several and used item restore 19 hours ago so gotta wait at least a full reset...fml

but my pala has it, so gonna train that and see

[grave flower]

I had a 405. Time to restore

[tender cove]

I guess use torch first?

[tulip kelp]

Caesar has a good video on how to train your train optimally

You need to establish who’s the alpha asap

[strong forum]

Click on enemy, click whelp

GG trained

Come back in 24hrs

Repeat 6 times

Voila, it's now weighted towards dmg

[dusty frigate]

Also maining a Hunter currently around 2,3k rating, tanking is so weird cause i literally never tanked before but i wanna learn another role and I swear its more stressful than playing a fuckin hunter

Discord and WoWhead guide does help a lot tho

[strong forum]

That's because hunter is literally the least stressful class to play in the entire game

So yeah im not surprised

[dusty frigate]

It really is lmao

[sick sentinel]

hunter is so easy i fell asleep in raid doing it once

[tulip kelp]

What’s the deal with MM this season? I’ve had multiple 2400+ hunters refuse to lust cause they don’t have a pet or some shit

[strong forum]

There's a reason why alot of hunters are getting all the tough jobs in high rated raid groups

[dusty frigate]

Good thing is that I at least know the routes by heart so now i only have to learn the class and not so much the dungeons

[daring marlin]

MFs are lazy af my man

[dusty frigate]

Lazy fucks lmao

[tulip kelp]

Basically useless af.. wont lust, can’t stun or CC, literally just want to do damage

[strong forum]

Sounds like your average dps player

[daring marlin]

Prolly do that terribly too cuz they cbf to pop a cd and just die to mechanics

[tender cove]

what is the deal with lust and hunters. Heard lots of them complain but is it actually a loss for them?

[strong forum]

They have to summon a different pet

That's literally it.

[dusty frigate]

MM hunters play without a pet

So u have to summon

[tender cove]

so like a couple seconds for them? xD

[strong forum]

Yes

[dusty frigate]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

i saw a hunter join a group and then "im going to go buy drums from auction house" they explain to him its 30% vs 15%, his repsonse, go BM

soon as i saw he wasn't wanting to lust or whtever before keyt i said just kick him, went as expected for that team

[quiet crane]

I don’t understand their issue

Essentially a pet is dps neutral on ST

[strong forum]

They lose like 5% dmg for a bit

Or some shit

[quiet crane]

It’s a massive loss aoe yes but for a boss it means squat

[tender cove]

Why is the last pack in temple so utterly stupid? I pop like EVERYTHING and i still die like im nothing. I know you said claw but can someone explain how to tank that without dying, like im stupid?

[quiet crane]

They don’t lose anything for a boss

[strong forum]

But essentially just lazy

[sick sentinel]

its not that huge really, you can macro it together

[tender cove]

it feels harder than enitre dungeon combined

are you supposed to cc shit or smt?

[sick sentinel]

the summon pet, cast lust, desummon, its all 1 button

[strong forum]

🙂 too much effort

[patent scroll]

Imagine losing two globals worth of damage for lust

[final mist]

@strong forum quick before this loot roll ends, how is the Kurog trinket

intuition tells me "ok"

[strong forum]

Super good in aoe

[quiet crane]

Essentislly you wanna rotate your CDs kite when needed and track their dark claw ability so you know when to reflect it I usually go in bust all my shit, SR first if you get them together you can get lucky and get them to cast two on you at once SR server tick registers both as a reflect into spellblock things are cruisy at that point until it runs out then you rotate DS and SW and kite

[strong forum]

When you parry frequently

[final mist]

so great for M+, bet

[strong forum]

Yes

[final mist]

thanks fam

[tulip kelp]

I use spell block on that pack, sit entire duration, and then SR next claw and then stun it, and then kite until dead.. tell dps to focus the minions that do the claw

[sick sentinel]

think of it like this, rogue has the worst dispel enrage, on a long CD, have to be melee range, have to spend energy, same for MM hunter

they can do it, its just worst choice to have do it (heroism)

[quiet crane]

This essentially

i do it the reverse but it’s the same concept. Part I did miss is telling dos to focus them down

[tender cove]

So its just the claw fucking you and you cant face tank it? Because its like, i charge in, pop shieldwall, stun, pop SR and then its just splat. even trying to follow up with LS, pots etc

[quiet crane]

It’s only claw

Anything else doesn’t hurt you

[south zealot]

not true

[tender cove]

okok, gonna start marking them then

[south zealot]

haunting gaze hurts too

[quiet crane]

track when they cast dark claw and it’s easy to prep for it

Gaze does but it’s no where near as deadly as claw. Gaze won’t kill you claw will

[strong forum]

You can outrange claw

By back peddaling

Gaze is a frontal

[tender cove]

how far is the cast?

[quiet crane]

that I didn’t know

[strong forum]

But dark claw you can simply outrange

[quiet crane]

it’s rangeable

cheers for that tidbit

[south zealot]

gaze is a frontal?

[strong forum]

Yes

[quiet crane]

yes you sidestep

[tender cove]

my addon says soo too yeh

[south zealot]

huh

[strong forum]

You can't sidestep it afaik, but don't aim it into your group

[south zealot]

i must be the only human in the world to not know that

[quiet crane]

Shoulda elaborated that’s why it won’t kill you if you’re doing it properly

[tender cove]

but it follows you right? so you can kill dps if you not looking?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tender cove]

or that just bad timing?

[south zealot]

oh okay

[strong forum]

It's a fixated on tank frontal - gaze

[tulip kelp]

Kinda like piercing shards in TAV

Both stunnable too

[strong forum]

Dark claw is like all the tank busters in HoV, outrangeable

[slim dove]

haunting gaze? pre sure its not a frontal at all, ive def angled it onto my DH friend on purpose and ive never killed him with it

[strong forum]

Will Recast once you're in range again

[patent scroll]

Will recast how? Like HoV where it goes on CD even if doesn't hit you or instantly when back in range?

[tulip kelp]

Do you know range on it? Seems longer then void slash in SBG

[strong forum]

Lucky then, pretty sure it's a frontal not a 180° more like a beam

[strong forum]

Should be tiny

Like 2yards

Void slash you can't outrange afaik

[tulip kelp]

I found the void slash easy to avoid but was having issues with the claw.. will have to try again

You can def out range void slash

[strong forum]

Hm aightv

Never tried tbf

I always just parry it :4head:

[tulip kelp]

How do you deal with it then?

Haha

[strong forum]

Or tank it with CDs

[patent scroll]

Pretty sure void slash will connect if the cast starts, but they won't cast outside of melee range

[strong forum]

Yeah

That sounds about right

Dark claw however will stop

If you outrange mid cast

[tulip kelp]

I’m 99% sure I can out range void slash once they start casting it

In SBG

[strong forum]

I can't confirm or deny, never tested it

[patent scroll]

I mean could be I just suck, I even tried jumping it on DH a few times and couldn't get the timing down

[strong forum]

You need to actually yeet away

To avoid it

Back stepping isn't enough

It's apparently like 8yd range

Whereas the busters in HoV and Dark claw are like 1-2 yard range only

So you need to be way out of melee range then void slash will cancel

[tulip kelp]

It’s a longer cast then claw iirc so it’s easy enough to outrange if you strafe.. but not the funnest for group chasing shit around

[zinc spruce]

are servers down?

[tulip kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=164907/void-slash

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=397931/dark-claw

Says they’re both 8 yard range

[strong forum]

EU, yes

[zinc spruce]

okay

o they seem up now

[tulip kelp]

Void slash 1.5 sec cast dark claw 1 sec so easier to outrange the void slash

[strong forum]

The more you know

[left cobalt]

I've abused outranging voidslashes on my Bear, but yea it's range does feel larger than their melee swings

[strong forum]

Prolly cuz larger model

But anywho

I should be sleeping.

Gn boys

[sick sentinel]

does defensive stance come up in logs?

[urban portal]

yes

[deep spruce]

tracks as a buff i assume

[sick sentinel]

no fucking shot man. the prot warrior in my guild just doesnt have a stance on.

[left cobalt]

I think it only tracks when you swap mid combat

[urban portal]

yep

if hes sitting in ANY stance prepull

and never swapped it

it wouldnt show

thats to filter out junk like weekly rep

[arctic marten]

Does anyone have a WeakAura that alerts when there will be an upcoming Shield Block gap?

[true hound]

Would it be possible to see how much IP you actually get from brutal vitality?

[urban portal]

no

would need to do napkin math or such

or someone makes something in wowanalyzer

[clever heart]

in pins it says our stats are = ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery
is that still the case?
specifically asking for M+ doing +19-20 key lvls. curious what % of stats I should change for just a little mid maxing.
im currently sitting:
Crit- 17.5 % 3,190
Haste- 19% 3,265
mastery- 22% 1,166
Verse- 9% 1,638
I'm pretty sure i need more verse but thought id check b4 valoring.

[true hound]

Looking at a few of the higher scored prot warriors now, and most seem to be playing Fueled by Violence

[urban portal]

do they have 4p

4p makes BV very good

[true hound]

Actually. no. That was only the world r1 prot war, and he only has 2p

[lone eagle]

Prot warr is so egregiously OP defensively right now that Vers is w/e

You couldn't reasonably get much more and get a big benefit

[true hound]

I only have 2p. Might try FbV tomorrow then

[lone eagle]

Realistically lets say you picked up another 5-6%, thats only 2.5-3% DR

and you'd probably be giving up crit in the process which is parry

Pretty much all magic is totally predictable this xpac, it just hurts

[true hound]

parry as well as more critical blocks

[lone eagle]

and you can cover it with CDs

[true hound]

Spell Block can also critically block spells

[urban portal]

thats mastery

but yeah

[grave flower]

Don’t pop SW then stun. Wasting time on SW. stun, pop SR then SW

[urban portal]

and there is evidence that the crit block for spell block isnt capped

[strong forum]

It's not

[clever heart]

ok ty

[strong forum]

It doesn't follow the armor formula

[true hound]

Mastery gives crit to shield block, not crit?

[strong forum]

It's literally just 2x block

[strong forum]

Yes

[true hound]

Ah, ok

[strong forum]

Otherwise every shield class could crit block

But since its our mastery

[true hound]

Can't be. Let me find the frontal from Hyrja that only hit me for 10k

[urban portal]

ok so we settled it isnt capped

nice

[strong forum]

If you have 50% mitigation with block, a critblock blocked spell will deal 0 damage

That is confirmed

[clever heart]

how do we decide if we have enough mastery or not tho.
like i understand we want crit + haste > verse > mastery. but we still want SOME mastery right ?

[strong forum]

Yes

But that's a feely craft answer

I personally like to be around 25% mastery

Just to have that 25% chance on crit blocking

More is nice, but I don't actively try to get more mastery

[south zealot]

im a block noob. is there any way to actually get this

[urban portal]

yes

big ass shield

[strong forum]

415+ shield and 5 stacks of BFI

[true hound]

+18 tyra

[clever heart]

like it's just a personal or playstyle based answer ? there isnt really a recommended amount

[south zealot]

i see

ty

[true hound]

393k blocked, and 10k went through

[strong forum]

Ye 98% mitigated, what's your shield ilvl

[true hound]

In that run, 390.

[strong forum]

If its lower than 415,thats your answer

[true hound]

With a 389 shield

[strong forum]

389 shield is not 50% DR with 5 stacks of Bfi

[true hound]

was about 40% block value with the 389 shield

[strong forum]

Yup sounds about right

[true hound]

So that ends up at ~50% with 5x bfi

[strong forum]

Nah

My 418 shield with 5 stacks of Bfi is barely above 50%

barely

[true hound]

5x bfi = 25%. 25% frp, 40% is 10%

10+40=50

[strong forum]

That's not exactly how it works

You can easily check at a dummy

[true hound]

Ah so its block value of your shield, not your actual block % it goes off of

[strong forum]

Ye and block value also kinda DRs

[placid oar]

Pardon me but what is BFi?

[strong forum]

Brace for impact

[urban portal]

brace for imp

[placid oar]

Oh thank u Nom!

[true hound]

Anyway, got myself a 418 shield just before the servers shut down. Think it'll make a world of difference. Really roll my cds properly in +20s with my current gear and that 389 shield. If i mess up once, i flop

[strong forum]

Yeah it'll like a 10% diff

[strong forum]

Personal

And it just makes sense too right?

You want a bit of mastery to not have critblocks rarely

Cuz it's still very strong defensively

[gritty glen]

Is it worth holding violent outburst for shield slam even if it means skipping a global or two thunderclaps?

[strong forum]

And when yoy have very little mastery you get a HUGE bang for your buck

[strong forum]

In ST 100%

If its just 1 or 2 globals

On 5+ targets you can use it freely on TC, but ideally you want the ratio to be closer to 3-1

[gritty glen]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[strong forum]

For every outburst you send on TC you want to send 3 on shield slam

[lone eagle]

Thoughts on ITF on M Sennarth

[strong forum]

In raid, always ITF

Unless you are boss tank on diurna

[lone eagle]

doing ~44k before last phase atm with HR

Gonna try ITF and see how it feels

[strong forum]

Bosses have enough downtime and don't hit hard enough to need HR

You can easily cover gaps with CDs if need be

[lone eagle]

Fair enough

[placid oar]

Hi Nom, spell block follows our shield ilvl if we want to mitigate more spell damage. Is this understanding correct?

[tender cove]

is grieftorch "equally" strong if no one dies?

[lone eagle]

I think the sims right now showing it at top are if no one deis

*dies

its ludicrous

[tender cove]

like, is the trinket value high because you expect ppl to die or just always strong and then OP?

[strong forum]

Yes, and crit blocks too

[cedar trench]

am i high or am i being gaslit by being told you can reflect EVERY SINGLE conductive on NH last boss

https://i.imgur.com/FvstiAY.png

[strong forum]

You can't

[placid oar]

Thank you!!

[cedar trench]

yea exactly

[strong forum]

You'll have to eat minimum 1

[urban portal]

just cover that with SW or something

[strong forum]

More likely you need to eat 2

[cedar trench]

not the argument i'm making

[strong forum]

You can reflect most, but not all

[cedar trench]

i was being told by the fury that you can reflect ALL

and i knew it was wrong

[strong forum]

You'd have to mega game it

And pre-use SR, aka before the boss starts casting

And gamble that you get fucked over by spell queue

[cedar trench]

Yea ok i was just tilted that they insisted it was possible lmao

i knew the answer just wanted external clarification

[strong forum]

It's technically possible but super risky

Idk if you could delay his cast by kiting

[sick sentinel]

Cortex is a league player I can smell it.