protection

[strong forum]

It's 30% uptime on 3% stats

Which equates to 1% stats on average

Which isn't anything special

[patent saddle]

@reef holly pls if u can do , i tested 5-6 different weak auras cant never get it to show like that

[strong forum]

Get the one from ellesmere

[gritty bane]

still sad that i fucked up my lariat and didnt notice i bought the wrong second and third gems 😦

[amber siren]

You might have chat bubbles disabled as well

So make sure your addons haven't turned those off

[patent saddle]

@strong forum i have that weak aura curently it still doesnt show like that

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/thunder

[patent saddle]

https://wago.io/thunder

[chrome falcon]

nomer do you play with hoof at all

[modern folio]

also maybe someone here has some insight the crafted haste trinket is showing as the biggest upgrade for me but im not sure if it's bait or not

[chrome falcon]

i got a 421

[strong forum]

This one, takes like 1.5seconds

[chrome falcon]

and this shit never hits 6 stacks

[reef holly]

Yea it's in there.

[harsh light]

Is the timer on academy pretty tight? Finished a 19 4.5 mins over with one wipe to a thundering non clear avg dps was 85k overall with me at 46k

[modern folio]

the dream idol

[chrome falcon]

literally whole HoV 20 run it never hit 6

[strong forum]

I have bis trinkets so I don't play hoof anymore

[plush tendon]

Try to find a Thundering weakaura that highlights party frames for people you can clear with

[chrome falcon]

what is bis

whetstone+totem?

[plush tendon]

Thats been helpful for me

[reef holly]

Mine shows exactly as the pic you posted

[dapper vapor]

whetstone + suicide storm trinket

[chrome falcon]

i have neither 🙂

[strong forum]

Boon + whetstone/totem

[harsh light]

They ran in a circle as i was tryna chase

[dusky canopy]

Turtle shell

[patent saddle]

so that i didnt have turned on omg ok ths @reef holly

[strong forum]

Grieftorch also bis

[chrome falcon]

boon? the one that roots you?

hardcore

[plush tendon]

I want Whetstone and Icon

[strong forum]

Ye it does good work

[lofty widget]

boon is amazing

[plush tendon]

feel like Icon brings value to the group if everyone has one

[chrome falcon]

i still have neither

408 totem

421 hoof

[reef holly]

👍

[chrome falcon]

421 puzzle box

415 decoration

[swift pier]

yo whats the best m+ flasks/food?

[icy bane]

I got boon/whetstone right now hoping for totem this week

[dapper vapor]

75 STR food + Eye of the Storm

[strong forum]

Str food, glacial fury or vers flask

[swift pier]

ty

[strong forum]

Eye of the storm is bait

[swift pier]

oh

[dapper vapor]

real?

[swift pier]

whats the str food called?

[strong forum]

Over the course of a key vers will do more dmg than eye

[icy bane]

Was crazy when you could prestack storm and switch to glacial

[dapper vapor]

wild

[strong forum]

It's 4% at all times

[strong forum]

Fortune cookie

[polar raptor]

You still running Sidearm? Can't recall if you were the icy-veins guide writer

[fallen pulsar]

Huh, I guess I’ve been playing wrong for m+ phial lmao

I’ll try the vers one

[strong forum]

Eye of the storm is good, don't get me wrong

But overall, the vers or glacial fury will net you more

Especially on bosses

[fallen pulsar]

Would you do glacial on tyr and vers on fort

[strong forum]

How much Str is eye in the storm per stack again

[swift pier]

whats the vers called? xD

[fallen pulsar]

Or are they roughly equal either way

[strong forum]

Tepid vers

[swift pier]

damn its cheap

[icy bane]

Maxes out at 750 str I think?

[blissful nebula]

Is their a good tank guide I can watch I am raid tanking prot for the first time on mythic eranog tonight and wana make sure I don't fuck up lol

[dapper vapor]

Yeah 150 a stack per enemy

[strong forum]

Mythic eranog is the same as heroic but you get 2 waves of adds to kill

[stoic pilot]

At what target count does shocking disclosure outdo elemental power pots?

[fallen pulsar]

Isn’t there also a lieutenant add

[strong forum]

Static empowerment is a phial

[stoic pilot]

Sorry

[icy bane]

Ye mythic eranog and council seem to be pretty ez

[fallow osprey]

probably means shocking disclosure

[stoic pilot]

The aoe lightning potions

Yeah shocking disclosure Ty

[plush tendon]

they are

[blissful nebula]

Ooh I know their easy

[strong forum]

Tough to say meke, I'd sim it

[plush tendon]

Eggnog is basically "can your raid kill two adds"

[blissful nebula]

I'm a forever fury warrior

[icy bane]

Ye been trying to convince my guild that if we can clear H Raz we can easily clear mythic first two

[blissful nebula]

First time prot out of necessity

[plush tendon]

100%

[strong forum]

Hm...

[plush tendon]

Heroic Raz harder then either of those

[icy bane]

They won’t listen man

[plush tendon]

heck, Heroic Brood is harder

[stoic pilot]

Fair nome thanks

[fallen pulsar]

Nome do you swap which phial you use based on the week? Like vers for fort and glacial for tyrannical? I feel like 4% vers does better with more adds vs like the split damage of glacial, but you might have the data/practice to know

[proud dock]

how many stacks does punish usually apply ?

[modern folio]

depends on slam proc luck

[strong forum]

3-4

[modern folio]

but usually i sit around 3-5

[strong forum]

You rarely "sit" on 5

But that's where you usually peak ye

[modern folio]

yeah true

[proud dock]

and it says "enemies'" so its not just applying to incoming damage from a single target BUT all target while you have the buff up?

[blazing condor]

p sure it debuffs the target

not acts as a buff for you

unless they changed it from SL

[icy bane]

Pretty sure it’s the primary target, I think it says enemies in case you have multiple instances of it up

[proud dock]

oh got it thanks

[strong forum]

It just debuffs the target ye

So it's 9-12% DR on the main target

[rough solar]

is there any preference between Engi Bracers, BS Bracers and Frostfire Belt (I don't have fire rings)?

[modern brook]

tbh

[modern folio]

engi bracers if you have no brez or your brez tends to die

[strong forum]

Okay so
If you play well, then eye in the storm on average slightly beats tepid vers flask

The worse you are at pressing buttons, the better glacial fury becomes

[plush tendon]

Frostfire belt if you have raid rings

Engineering bracers>BS Bracers

[rough solar]

Thank you

[strong forum]

And the vers bracers > rest

[rough solar]

Allied Wristguards?

[strong forum]

Ye

It's 1% vers with 100% uptime

You're not gonna get more bang for your buck from embellishments

[rough solar]

Thank you, appreciate it

[winged grail]

What's the status with embellishments, I heard that the well fed bonus one doesn't coun in the 2 that we can have?

[gritty glen]

That's right, it doesn't count towards the max

[winged grail]

And Lariat and Fang Adornments both count, so I can't have another embellishment, correct? And there's no way to remove exising embellishments on a piece?

[fallow osprey]

recraft with griftahs

[amber siren]

There's a powder you can use, but you need to recraft the item

[sick sentinel]

God, fml. I need that tier piece, but non-upgradable LFR?

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

Nothing in this vault matters as you can farm any better gear by just playing higher content

So you might aswell just pick shield for starters, or tier if you desperately want it

[acoustic edge]

what would be the best m+ trinket available for prot (if no raids)?

[strong forum]

But all of those items are easily replaced if you get the courage for higher content

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i know

[strong forum]

Whetstone +.....

[winged grail]

Thanks guys

[strong forum]

Uuuh.....

Uhm...

(if no raids)

[grave heart]

granyth?

[strong forum]

Idk tbh.. Probably blazehoof

[winged grail]

Blazehoof = 2 min CD

[strong forum]

There aren't any good passive trinkets from m+ so you are kinda forced into double on use

I guess the trample trinket from Notgud works

[cold echo]

Better to focus higher Ilvl (415) with vault instead of piece of set (898) now because catalyst will come soon ?

[strong forum]

It just got buffed by 10%

[strong forum]

Yes

[acoustic edge]

this one? but i guess whetstone top of the list?

[cold echo]

Thx

[strong forum]

Whetstone is absolutely on the top of the list yes

[long stone]

what phials are you using for progress ?

[strong forum]

Besides whetstone there aren't any noteworthy trinkets from m+

[strong forum]

Glacial fury or tepid vers

[long stone]

tepid vers is this with 7xx vers.?

[strong forum]

Or if you wanna be a real man, static empowerment and heavily play around it

[fallow osprey]

in target counts where i'm getting enough rage even without shield slam, i'm alternating revenge and TC during Avatar. is that correct? feels weird to ignore shield slam

[strong forum]

Hardly reachable

Only the dumbass flowerpull in AA has that

[urban portal]

20 target cleave

Nome is 2set or ss more prio

[strong forum]

Ss

[regal crypt]

when peeps are saying whetstone with totem, is that the All-Totem of the Master trinket?

[urban portal]

What about during uf, is tc or 2set more prio

[meager crescent]

@strong forum how much haste do you have?

[strong forum]

2 set cuz SoF aswell

I have like 3.3k haste

So like.... Uh 28%

I think

[meager crescent]

All of the gear pieces I keep getting have a shitload of mastery. Having trouble with haste

[strong forum]

Don't worry about it

All stats are good

Haste just does the most

[rustic trench]

Is there a cap to haste? I have 29% rn and was wondering if I should keep looking for more?

[strong forum]

40%

[rustic trench]

ty

[strong forum]

Before ITF

[rustic trench]

ITF?

[strong forum]

Into the fray

%haste buff

[vale grotto]

get 376 set legs for 4pc (drop 395 drake hunter) or drop 376 discarded tooth trinket for 405 Blazebinder. not sure if the 4pc is worth not taking the trinket. suggestions?

[blazing condor]

defender's aegis kinda redundant on fort TJS right

[strong forum]

Kinda

[torpid junco]

What boss has the single hardest hit in your guys opinion?

[strong forum]

You'll get catalyst next or the one after, don't take extremely low items for short term gain here

[strong forum]

Crawth

[torpid junco]

I kinda that it’s the frontal on 2nd boss halls.

[strong forum]

Or hyrja

[winged grail]

SoF?

[strong forum]

Show of force

[torpid junco]

Hyrja the frontal?

[strong forum]

The shield yes

It's a huge magic nuke

[vale grotto]

right forgot about that. thx

[grave heart]

Gloves to make my 2-set is the call, even though the stats are ass and I lose a ton of haste from my 402 goldsteel gloves right? I'm running 395 All-Totem and 398 Dragon Games. I'm M+ only. I'd hold off for catalyst, but feel I'm missing a lot w/o my 2-set.

[dusty frigate]

Hey, kinda new to prot warrior whats the current opinion on ITF compared to HP? Can u still ahve 100% Shield block uptime with ITF? Saw all the top warrs on rio take ITF

[torpid junco]

How do you play around hyrja frontal

[strong forum]

Ilvl > stats

[strong forum]

Rotate CDs, go into d-stance

And be max health

Very important

[rustic trench]

Should I be running Into The Fray instead of Heavy Repurcussions?

[strong forum]

In raid yes, m+ no

[strong forum]

I don't understand how anybody can get away with playing ITF in m+, the Block downtime is too harsh to play around for a barely 5% dps gain

[pallid quiver]

Only if you have enough haste; most of those warriors who are running it likely either:
Murder the mobs before it becomes a problem

Plan around potential downtime

Don't know that they're losing SB uptime for it

It's also lower DPS on ST without very specific comps

By and large, it's mostly the third based on past trends

[dusty frigate]

Yeah thats what im thinking. Maybe its a thing of playing with a premate group and being able to communicate your downtime on block etc

[strong forum]

So much effort

For barely any gain

Why

[pallid quiver]

Well, having downtime on block at all is generally worse than just having it up

I'm assuming they saw a whole bunch of people running it at the start because people heard it do dam and Wars OP and just never looked into it

[strong forum]

Andy and Nerf both play HR aswell in keys, and to quote Andy "I think it sucks, idk why people play ITF"

[tropic linden]

is it worth double SW for it?

[strong forum]

Idk you lose quite alot of rage gen

[brisk gust]

Lads do you have to use Q3 mats to craft an item at start to get 418? A guy tells me q3 mats is needed for a fresh craft but Q2 is only neccessary for rc?

[inland mesa]

Depends on the item and their skill

[tropic tangle]

I did double SW last week for it on tyran, helped to have an extra, but yeah losing rage gen

[inland mesa]

Seeding a first craft with q3 mats makes it easier to reroll and better chance to proc inspiration

[strong forum]

It's hard to quantify the gain/loss of playing Defenders Aegis over Impenetrable Wall

[inland mesa]

If their skill is high enough, like mine with shields, then it doesn't matter and I have the same chance with q2 or q3 on a shield

[sand kettle]

What are you guys getting for 2pc uptime through a key?

[brisk gust]

So basically its not needed, u can do with q2?

[strong forum]

85%

[brisk gust]

Cuz q3 mats is 3k expensiver

[chrome falcon]

@strong forum do you know if blazebinders hoof hits full stacks on sims

[strong forum]

You have to hope for inspo proc anyway

Even with q3 mats

[inland mesa]

It may take more rerolls if their skill is lower

[strong forum]

So full sending q2 is infinitely chesper

[brisk gust]

Ty broski

[inland mesa]

So it's a gambler paradox really

[strong forum]

It averages out

[neon elk]

On 19 tyra i speced into SB just because i was scared if it , probably isnt necesary if your healer can external you

[strong forum]

It does 22000 fights and picks the average

With a 20% variance on fight length

[chrome falcon]

👍

[inland mesa]

I have the achiement for 500 or 1000 crafts or whatever, they need max spec in the item you are trying to craft to use 2s as good as a 3 first craft into a 2. Otherwise it's just a 2 reroll based off their inspiration

But I've also only had skill to rank 3 guarantee bracers and proc them to 5 as my inspiration is high. It's a needlessly convoluted system

[brisk gust]

So you can still proc 418 with q2 at first craft even with lower skill?

[prisma crane]

honestly my only issue with the crafting system is the inherent downside to public orders

imo all they have to do is increase inspiration or skill for public orders and it could balance well

it'll get cheesed, but better than no one using it

[potent anvil]

@strong forum Is the brutal vitality bug still a thing or is it fixed?

[strong forum]

Last time I checked still bugged

[potent anvil]

[strong forum]

But you rarely cap IP in m+ anyway

In actual keys

[potent anvil]

Yeah

I'm gearing my warrior now

[pallid quiver]

I think it's half intended for it not to be used, based on how they phrased all the quests about the crafting order system in the NPC Interaction

[sand kettle]

Are you guys tossing a revenge in your opener to get the 2pc before ripping SC and Roar?

[strong forum]

No

Not worth

Don't try to min-max 2pc uptime, it's not worth offensively

[pallid quiver]

It's a nice 4%, but it's 4%

On top of that, most of roar's damage is the dot, so you're still gonna have some of Roar under the 2p probably

[sand kettle]

Thanks, i felt like i didnt have the rage for it on opener

[orchid mural]

Question: My cotank is DK, ilvl 398. I am 405. He parses high 90, with several pink parses - very good player. I parse 75 - 90 (no 2pc). He struggles to hold threat.

Any suggestions? Or should i simply be holding off?

[tulip harness]

Is it possible at all to skip the stormdrake in halls?

[slim dove]

Md/tricks/getgud

[orchid mural]

yes, Quazzi has a vid on it. Tho personally i feel it's worth it to kill it - 3%

[modern brook]

[tulip harness]

fair enough, thanks

[icy bane]

Just DK problems, tell your group to give threat externals to DK

[harsh cedar]

Anyone heard anything on when they will unlock valor=

[blazing condor]

they wont

or ?

never have

[harsh cedar]

They did last season no? Could farm as much as you wanted

[strong forum]

S4 was a test meme season

Since nothing new released they just unlocked valor (which was an amazing decision)

[lone eagle]

They uncapped in the .5 patch in too didn't they?

or am I crazy

[strong forum]

Crazy

[modern brook]

the test meme was "how many good decisions can we make and then revert"

[icy bane]

How more enjoyable can we make the game then take it away

[pallid quiver]

Capped valor feels so bad

[lone eagle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/conquest-and-valor-caps-removed-on-the-next-weekly-reset-327011

[modern brook]

capped valor is fine cause crafting exists tbh

[lone eagle]

Yeah they uncapped it in May which was ~the .5 patch

[modern brook]

its literally a trinket/giga ring pumper

[round pendant]

Is it worth spending valor on my 7/13 tier helm?

[pallid quiver]

Crafting feels bad for my wallet

[icy bane]

Just do my m+s for the vault then I can log off feels good man

[harsh cedar]

Considering that you haven't heard them say yay or nay about it, there is nothing to say they won't unlock it for this season too then

[strong forum]

Does it have leech or a socket

[modern brook]

like i would never spend valor into a weapon cause i can just raft a weapon

at 418 and be done with it

[lone eagle]

If I were to guess they will probably uncap with the .5 this patch as well

But just a hunch

[strong forum]

Hopefully

[round pendant]

nope lol

None of my gear is special but I'm capped on valor

[strong forum]

But they should honestly uncap valor when rwf is over

[round pendant]

wondering if I should spend or just hodl forever

[strong forum]

Valor is super limited

[lone eagle]

Real question is

Inspiration Catalyst in future tiers

Will it still be called the inspiration catalyst

[strong forum]

Only upgrade items you're 90% certain you'll not replace anytime soon

[lone eagle]

will there be a new one

Or will the current one be down for renovations for 6 weeks

[icy bane]

Ye only used valor on whetstone, cos ring and cos chest

[lone eagle]

Opening Cinematic of 10.1: Iridrikron burns the Inspiration Catalyst

[round pendant]

I'm never gonna raid (cba pugging it) so I'm never gonna get high ilvl raid gear unless I get lucky in the vault which is a weekly thing

[lone eagle]

Takes 6 weeks to unbury it from the stone

[strong forum]

They probably bring out a new catalyst in each new zone

Or they learn

And just unlock it

[lone eagle]

Watch them make crafters convert gear to tier

I think a fun way to end this xpac

Given that their last season seems to be crazy season (corruption in BFA, all the testing of fated stuff in SL)

Might be just letting tier be enabled on any piece and getting to run multiple scaled up tier bonuses from the whole xpac

Vault 2 set + 10.1 4 set etc

[spring scarab]

If I wanted to do an alt spec into dps would you recommend arms or fury? (Idk if this makes sense im new)

[lone eagle]

Fury probably better overall but I've seen Arms do some crazy things

You can use 2hers for both though

[knotty sparrow]

Quick Grieftorch question: can you still block/dodge/parry while channeling the trinket or does that make it a glass cannon kinda thing for prot?

[gritty glen]

Try them out to see what you like. There's nothing worse than feeling forced to play something you hate just because it's high on a DPS tier list.

[lone eagle]

I don't think anything prot related could be described as glass cannon

I believe youcan't block/dodge/parry during it, but its only 3s

[spring scarab]

Haha okay thanks, I just need an option to be able to switch to if I don't feel like tanking : )

[lone eagle]

and you have 10+% leech from warr tree so you heal a fair bit during it

[slim dove]

2sec reduced by haste iirc

[icy bane]

I think arms is the easiest to transition to but ye it’s up to your pref

[spring scarab]

Might do arms just so I only need to get one two handed 🥴

[lone eagle]

Arms right now does ludicrous trash damage

but seems to have to spec out of some ST to do so

Felt meh on tyran week but on fort week my arms buddy is insane

[slim dove]

Has to pick between ST and AOE specs

Getting huge buff in 10.0.5

[jolly cipher]

hey, what would be our full dps raid build? for st i mean

[quiet monolith]

is anyone running storm eaters boon? is it any good? i have a 408 puzzlebox/395 toorch / 395 whispering

[modern brook]

like all

[strong forum]

Is pinned

[spring scarab]

Yea I've heard some good things!

[sick sentinel]

frost mage actually insane

[jolly cipher]

is it "raid build"?

[sick sentinel]

for progression just do things that makes sense

tank utility >>>>>>> tank damage

[urban portal]

Just live the mech

Let your group die first

[lone eagle]

Fuck that, go full damage

don't taunt

Letting your DPS tank for you is a form of active mitigation

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-not-entertained-entertained-gladiator-russell-crowe-maximus-gif-17738266

[strong forum]

yes

[blazing ocean]

yo dudes, just got the ring from the first boss in the raid.
You recon its bis for m+ or should I be a nice lad and give it away to 2nd highest roller? 🙂

[atomic inlet]

man this ring work like a charm

[coral pollen]

Arms. It’s almost the exact same stat priority too

[strong forum]

its bis if you equip unstable frostfire belt

[coral pollen]

So you don’t have to change much gear

[blazing ocean]

So I guess, fuck armor spikess and go for the belt then?

[abstract token]

hey prot gang can you explain why the prot war is getting WF over me?

[strong forum]

its a 3-4k dps gain for pwar

[abstract token]

da fuq

[strong forum]

🙂

[abstract token]

like 10%?

[strong forum]

yea

ish

[abstract token]

sounds fair and balanced

[strong forum]

thats kinda what happens if you give a tank 700 things that scale with auto attack speed

[abstract token]

so its not just dev?

[flat wren]

Hey, anyone around mind telling me what i am doing and what I am not, I have some logs from lastnights N clear

[strong forum]

devastator, wildstrikes, battering ram

[abstract token]

also I assume there are tanky-type benefits to swinging more

[flat wren]

My warcraftlogs are horrible

[cold pollen]

do you do the dock of CoS during fortified?

[strong forum]

battering ram increases auto attack damage and swing speed, wild strikes increases swing speed, devastator grants rage with instigate and grants shield slam resets

[strong forum]

you always do the docks for count

[flat wren]

nvm found the channel ty

[abstract token]

for fury its simming at 3.4% which is like 2.2k+ but ya if yall are getting cracked i dont mind yielding

just means I will probably get benched for being middle pack 😂

[unreal lily]

Hey guys this is my first time tanking spiteful affix. Is there anything I should be doing differently as a tank with this affix?

[strong forum]

nop

its a pure anti-dps and healer affix

[tropic tangle]

super fun to be able to ignore this affix

[sick sentinel]

Shockwave storm bolt are useful to make sure your heals / melee dps don’t get ate by them

[unreal lily]

Awesome thanks. Should I taunt the mobs when they pop or anything?

[tropic tangle]

I hate playing these weeks as melee dps

[sick sentinel]

Taunting doesn’t do nothing afaik

[strong forum]

you cant taunt them

they are fixated on dps/healer

[unreal lily]

Alright thanks a lot for the info guys I appreciate it!

[sick sentinel]

Anything rather

[strong forum]

ya ok for me rn its 2.1k dps gain

so it doesnt matter much between you 2

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x8VGYigUQsmw796ENpXBgy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmwerXfksa1WrF2QdESQbP

[deft mortar]

ikr

no tank affixes this week

Rejoice T^T

[oak heart]

put rend on them 😛 free rage

[lucid pendant]

The tank affix is fortified 😉

[lofty mica]

When you looking to craft stuff, do you literally just go after w.e gives the most ilvl boost now?

[strong forum]

shield > weapon > rest

[lofty mica]

Ait

[strong forum]

the effects themselves are only a 1% gain over not having ANY embellishment at all

so nothing to break your head over

[abstract token]

got it, at least theres merit to the argument

ty

[deft mortar]

lemme see how I sim xdxd

[lofty mica]

I guess you'd go for the shield where u can chose ur stats, no?

[strong forum]

yes

[deft mortar]

how do I link it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hS8YBv7VN3nvuySYiSExgU

lmao to think that we are same ilvl

[strong forum]

Talents and trinkets do alot

[torpid thistle]

What sort of +ilvl value should be assign to a leech roll?

[strong forum]

3-6

Depending in slot

[deft mortar]

wait fr?

thats lots damn

[strong forum]

But only if its absolutely bis item

[deft mortar]

imagine similiar 4 gem slot?

[torpid thistle]

Well its gonna be tier shoulders when catalyst eventually

[strong forum]

A gem is only a few dps

[torpid thistle]

thanks for the answer

[modern brook]

these talents are borked

[deft mortar]

wow sim shows uptime as well

But IoF probs doesnt pop vs patchwerk

[strong forum]

If I wasn't cucked by 385 belt and boots and low tierset pieces I'd be around 410

[deft mortar]

im kukkt by 385 chest T^T

[strong forum]

I have 4 items that I'm behind by 10-30ilvl

[deft mortar]

Will just craft tho

[acoustic tinsel]

Can Datheas zephyr slam be reflected? If so does the debuff still apply or the damage get reflected?

[strong forum]

Can't be reflected

[merry scroll]

no afaik

but its nerfed to shit now

[strong forum]

You can reflect her out of range buster however

For 100k+ reflects each time

[merry scroll]

tanking 5 stacks in heroic is nothing now

[strong forum]

It was never anything

Even week 1 it was nothing

[merry scroll]

as a warrior it didnt give me problems unless shield charge bugged and didnt work

my dh buddy not so much

[strong forum]

Dh can just space bar lol

Dh is even better than war vs that

[acoustic tinsel]

This is mythic, the wowhead guide mentioned it could be but looking at logs I didnt see it doing anything

[strong forum]

you cant reflect zephyr slam, you can MITIGATE it with spell reflect, so it doesnt hurt as much

but you cant reflect it

[blazing condor]

do you have to pull thunderhead in RLP or can you avoid him too? if you pull blazers up and shit

seems like you always end up pulling him someway

[strong forum]

its spicy but you can avoid both dragons

[blazing condor]

yeah thats what i assue

but never works out

[modern brook]

how do u do boss with dragons flying around

[strong forum]

but people opt to avoid fire dragon over thunder

[blazing condor]

lots of space if you pull boss towards fire dragon

or just pull where youve killed a drag

[south zealot]

skipping both seems a little too sus

[strong forum]

youll also lack count

if you do so

[modern brook]

maybe on fort boss dies fast enough

on higher tyr keys we're like half way down the cricle by the time she dies

[south zealot]

just don’t bring a mage pug

[strong forum]

dont pug

[south zealot]

true

[blazing condor]

just have friends

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

ive pugged 2 keys this xpac and both were absolutely horrible where i had to solo all bosses

[south zealot]

what are friends

[strong forum]

0/10 cant recommend

[modern brook]

what we are

[south zealot]

lovers

mwah

[modern brook]

[blazing condor]

mwah-i

[meager crescent]

I pugged to 2050 IO before doing keys with my guild

The difference is massive

[blazing condor]

im struggling rn

tryna get keys done

[meager crescent]

Having reliable people makes life so much better

[blazing condor]

can't relate

just have liable people

[spring scarab]

Retweet

[deft mortar]

pugging is fun wym

just pugged RLP 19

well it ez this week

[south zealot]

pugs really arent that bad

[deft mortar]

u just gotta screen abit

[blazing condor]

they really arent that good either

big gamba

[south zealot]

yes gamba for sure

[strong forum]

i dont want to play enough to suffer through the mental assault that is pugging

[deft mortar]

my healer is my IRL friend so we just fill up good DPSers

[fierce field]

pugs are how you find new good players to play with

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that's the average

[south zealot]

pugged a temple yesterday, 3 gamers and me were carrying thid ret

unfortunately they were paid and i wasnt

[deft mortar]

its easy to pug I guess when u have tank and healer already

[strong forum]

if you have tank+healer premade its fine

[fierce field]

I run tank, my wife runs heals

[strong forum]

youll just make fun of the dps

[tropic tangle]

should have gone on strike until you got your cut

[strong forum]

but pugging healer is illegal

[modern brook]

you do that anyways

making fun of the dps is the hardest part of tanking

[deft mortar]

I act didnt have any healer besides resto this expansion

even without my IRL resto buddy

[south zealot]

true

[deft mortar]

Rebirth + 3

vers is broken

[south zealot]

my key friends from last season r all doing their own thing

[uneven mason]

I took a note from your book, got a prot paladin healer

[strong forum]

good enough

[uneven mason]

The wat

[strong forum]

i think he means the +3% buff

[uneven mason]

O

It's not bad I guess

[strong forum]

free damage

we take those

[uneven mason]

Yup

[deft mortar]

wtf do priest healers provide to the team

well I guess the haste buff or whatever to 1 dps

5% stam KEKW

[hoary jackal]

Quick question. do you talent into Spellblock on Razageth? or do you find its not worth the point (and better going into bleed damage)

[dark plover]

Brood ring any good? Would you take it over dps

[tidal barn]

my man, i just played HC raid, i got both trinkets lol 😄

[subtle sparrow]

Hi. What should I prioritize in terms of items? If I'm crafting a high level one.

[neon cloud]

Hello guys, looking for help on the “stardust crusader” achievement Silvermoon 😅

[strong forum]

shield > weapon > rest

[subtle sparrow]

Thanks

[pallid quiver]

I'd rather pug healer half the time because DPS pugs have managed to pull mobs I didn't even know were in the instance like every rub

[strong forum]

nah isnt needed

and "going into bleed" dmg is also not worth

[modern brook]

I played with a resto shaman who did 0 damage in 30 minutes and that's very impressive to me

[subtle sparrow]

Hunter multishotting the final boss in Nokhud when fighting the two adds in front of it <3

[strong forum]

love to see it

[pallid quiver]

Mage ice lancing it or something

[blazing condor]

whats up with these servers

random disbands all day

fun

[pallid quiver]

Fury warrior just body pulling it

[oak echo]

My favorite is the gymnastics you have to pull resetting that fight because of the 34 patrols

[strong forum]

My favourite part is that you have 300 mob packs in that area, but 80% of them don't give count and the other 20% are wayy to dangerous and inefficient to pull

[oak echo]

Yeahhhh that whole last area is so cringe

[subtle sparrow]

I love it, you just ride to the packs that are good, shield charge, aoe

[real ocean]

Yea its bs idk whats up again…

[buoyant narwhal]

Any reason to keep opening Vault in Prot if i have the crafted shield, and will probably make the sword+lariat today? Any prot trinkets i want over the dps ones? Currently doing keys in the 13-16 range so i imagine specing Arms would be best?

[still flame]

Do you guys stay mostly in Battle stance in M+?

I know its about reading the situation

[modern brook]

thats your answer

[still flame]

will just adjust to healer then.

[subtle sparrow]

What kind of 1h to use is just flavor right?

[modern brook]

its a 3s cd

you can adjust to damage intake

[modern brook]

between 1h sword/mace/axe? - yeah damage is normalized

[subtle sparrow]

Yes

The mats are different for the crafted ones

[modern brook]

thats the only diff numerically speaking, as in the weapons impact on your damage and stat formulas, the One hander options are normalized

[dusty frigate]

I know on Wowhead these things are recommended to craft but what do u guys think about crafting a ring? Socket seems worth a lot no?

[kind rapids]

Whats best to drop to take intervene?

[uneven mason]

Depends what build you're using

[regal lodge]

who needs shield if enemies die fast enough with big weapon

[uneven mason]

Because shield gives big damage

[jagged pier]

as the cobalt ring/ eggnogg and broodkeeper ring and autoattack ring exsists no it makes no sense to craft ring

[crystal mauve]

If I have 415 shield (vers/mast) and 405 belt (crit/mast), should I still craft shield as 418? The ilvl upgrade might be worth it in the belt or not?

[regal lodge]

now bare with me, but what if dual wield swords as tank

[dusty frigate]

I see. Yea I got 70 2 days ago so I should probably farm cobalt rep. It takes SO Long now tho

[uneven mason]

That's eq, or classic, either way, shity

[crystal mauve]

Do keep cobalt ring even if you have access to an other 415 ring? Is the proc that strong?

[prisma crane]

love eggnog lmao

[uneven mason]

Dual wield shield, the dream

[prisma crane]

drop sidearm

[kind rapids]

Whats best to drop for intervene?

[regal lodge]

idk if its still as good as it used to be, but u can 60-70 efficiently farming cobalt with a group (just make one in premade), get rep and xp at same time, 2 birds 1 stone

[kind rapids]

Alrighty

Ty

[prisma crane]

wait, or drop that revenge talent

it's not worth it

[dusty frigate]

Yeah shoulda done that. Im 70 now tho so i kinda just have to painfully grind i guess 😄

[prisma crane]

didnt notice you even had that

[buoyant narwhal]

yeah id drop barb training

[kind rapids]

Barbarics training?

[uneven mason]

BT so bad

[jagged pier]

yes

it out sims 415 rings for me

[kind rapids]

Was just running the build from Wowhead :p

[prisma crane]

check pins here

basically its the same as you have except you get pain and gain instead of BT

and then i tend to swap sidearm for intervene in basically only HoV

some do it for Nokhud as well for 3rd boss

and the trash is pretty rough too so you can save a dps if you hold for when they're weak and might get shot again

[kind rapids]

I see

Alright

Will keep in mind

Ty!

[uneven mason]

Random shooty boys in nokud are shitty

[prisma crane]

you can drop pain and gain for it instead if you want to go more dmg, but sidearm isnt exactly crazy dmg anyways, so its up to you

[next nova]

What the main trinkets to go for for M+?

[prisma crane]

boon

or whetstone if you want to troll less

[dusty frigate]

Whetstone from CoS seems giga

[uneven mason]

Whet

[dusty frigate]

Whetstone + Eranogg trinket?

[uneven mason]

Ya, it trucks

[next nova]

oke thanks lads!

[uneven mason]

Ruby whelp can be interesting

[prisma crane]

decoration is solid, but icon as well as all totem are both good

ruby whelp just underperforms every time i use it

[next nova]

what yall think about whispering icon

[regal lodge]

for when dog chases someone or what boss?

[prisma crane]

very solid, better if other ppl have it too

[prisma crane]

yea for fenrir

they dont have to move out

[next nova]

also on lfr level? xD

[buoyant narwhal]

Open as prot or arms, any suggestions? I can make a 405 weapon+lariat today too. vault will have 3 normal raid slots, one 16 key slot and two 12-13 key slots

[prisma crane]

if ilvl disparity is huge the STR gain on a high ilvl shitty trinket could be enough to put it in the lead, but roughly equal ilvl is the only way we're comparing

[prisma crane]

can do fury instead, its basically prot w/ 2H instead of shield as options

fury can still get 1H

[zinc spruce]

Are there acceptable scenarios where overall i should have more dmg than some dps?

like is it normal

[prisma crane]

i'd still rather have a strike twice than crafted weapon, so i'm staying with fury

[crystal mauve]

No

[prisma crane]

if everyone is same ilvl and skill, no you shouldnt ever win

[jagged pier]

the same

maybe

[prisma crane]

except maybe AA

[jagged pier]

more

thats a bad dps

[brave portal]

Nah if your doing more than a DPS class, they either don't know their spec, rotation or aren't trying.

[pallid quiver]

But prot war OP??? They do dps dam they can't help it ;-; ;-; ;-;

[grave flower]

Eh. I do about 50k overall through a 15-18. I would hope a dps isn’t under that

If they are invoice them for the carry

And I’m not good*

[subtle sparrow]

I mean, I was 0.9% behind the #2 dps in an 11 key and we finished it with 12 minutes to spare.

[grave flower]

Just don’t invite the #3 dps again then

[prisma crane]

T hen

[grave flower]

fat fingers.

[prisma crane]

people don't forget

[grave flower]

https://tenor.com/view/roosch-bossanova-coopersmom-gif-18097704

[prisma crane]

i have slow fingers

exactly lmao

so happy that reference was instant for you

[grave flower]

Always. I reference it constantly lol

And Steven glansberg

[prisma crane]

lmao

funny thing about my back...

[median vortex]

How good is the All-Totem of the Master trinket?

Seems a bit meh

[spice axle]

anyone knows if this is the bis buff for CR wrists/helms?

[astral vapor]

is it still best to craft a lariat if u havent done so?

[dire matrix]

does this mean i took 550k?

[spice axle]

yes

[fresh belfry]

tfw you check your talents after council and see this

[potent gale]

damn avatar is mad fun

loving this prot warrior so far

[limpid anchor]

What are the BiS tier pieces ?

i thought its everything but helm, but hands stats suck

[eager canyon]

Just got heroic totem from kurog, W?

[jagged pier]

for m+ ye

[mild jolt]

currently i have 402 Decoration of Flame, 415 Blazebinders Hoof and got a 402 Rumbling ruby. what would you take for m+ ?

[pliant void]

Hoof and ruby

But if you feel like you need it take the flame

[radiant robin]

can anyone enlighten me:

1. regarding weapon enchantment, do we go sophic devotion for m+ or frozen devotion (bloodmallet shows sophic as better for 3+ targets)
2. which phial we use in m+? (eye in the storm?)
3. pots, shocking disclosure an option?

[mild jolt]

thx

[median vortex]

Was afraid the Totem trinket was kinda bad

But I guess you're under alot of parrys for a m+

[cold pollen]

anyone as a decent route for hov ?

[urban portal]

You need to only parry once every 30 seconds

You have to be actually afk for that to not happen

[median vortex]

lol 😛

[granite nest]

The answers to your questions can be found on WoWhead or through simming.
TL;DR Sim weapon enchant, Glacial Fury, Potion of Power good, Shocking disclosure situational.

[grizzled zenith]

Dear my Shield Heroes, which Larriat proc is the way to go? Haste or Vers?

[mighty valley]

haste

[zinc spruce]

^

[mighty valley]

we will kill the overrating of vers if it's the last thing we do

[zinc spruce]

Perma bloodlust

[neon elk]

Engi socket (cr) counts as embelish?

[strong forum]

he means crafting the item

and im pretty sure the item counts as an embellishment or?

[neon elk]

Yea like the unique 2 embelish cap

[mild jolt]

is a 405 craftet shield with stats and spike, more worth that a 411 Raid Bis Schild? are the spikes so much valuble in m+?

[strong forum]

ilvl

is king

you only care about ilvl on your shield

[neon elk]

So i can have lariat, belt , and Cr wrists?

[mild jolt]

had a prot in /2 that claimed the spikes worth the ilv.. thought maybe blizz buffed them

[strong forum]

no

[granite nest]

Was the prot the crafter?

[mild jolt]

nope^^

[pallid hare]

411 shiled > 405 crafted... but you can always upgrade it past later so depends on what opportunity you have for upgrades

[eager cargo]

Weird question, but i dont see it mentioned anywhere on guides, is the Vers proc shield an okay embellish?

[woeful jasper]

Pretty sure the pins have embellishment info

As well as like 4 posts up they’re having a convo about embellishments

[pallid quiver]

It's roughly on par with the other embells, but a shield embellishment's not really one of your go to options for embellishments most of the time

[tulip kelp]

Can you use same sockets in engi helm?

[pliant jackal]

what slots are typically where we focus on crafted items versus others? Does anyone have a good article to read maybe?

[barren socket]

is there a way to remove embellishments?

[pallid quiver]

If it's an item with an added embellishment, you can recraft it without the embellishment

[eager cargo]

Thanks for the reply, just deciding on what to use spark on. I dont have a M+ shield so i cant slam valor into it to get 415

[pallid quiver]

Should still craft a shield if it'd be higher ilvl, just the one that comes without an embellishment

[cloud tide]

do we get any more sparks after this?

[eager cargo]

well i would have had M eranog shield but the pug ele shamn won it then decided he wanted to reroll enhance the next day smile

[pallid quiver]

Weapon and Shield are two notable ones for scaling very well with item level. After that, things like Lariat, Frostfire Belt (esp with Raid Fire proc rings), Infurious Helm if you have 4p without helm, can all be options

[pallid quiver]

There's one more guaranteed in two weeks, then they can start randomly dropping

[pallid quiver]

in the back of my mind, i always wish death on DPS and Healers that get prio/rolls on shields over the shield tanks

[neon elk]

And Critical Failure Prevention Unit doesnt count as embelish also to my understanding ? Kinda dont wanna cause even more mess by kiling myself during ress xd

[pliant jackal]

thanks for that I have been considering wep since I have had crap luck in that slot and still have a 392

[pallid quiver]

like damn, i'll accept losing it to a bloody pink class tank if it means at least some dps didn't get it

[neon elk]

Okej thats neat, but since it is a "potion" does it cost CR cd/use? Or only when succesful?

[toxic pewter]

just was removed from a pug heroic broodkeeper

Reason?

[pallid quiver]

did they give you a reason?

[toxic pewter]

Ripped aggro from other tank again LOL

he accused me of taunting

[pallid quiver]

the classic pug issue

[toxic pewter]

Guy was like lol i only moonfired and Im like LOL

[pallid quiver]

I've been accused of cheating before

[toxic pewter]

I never hold back

[woeful jasper]

Why are there two tanks on the same target anyways on broodkeeper

[toxic pewter]

Anyone tells me to hold back I immediately exit raid anyway

so this works out

[pallid quiver]

since the other tank was also a prot war who was pulling 11k on terros while I was pulling like 33k

and they couldn't believe numbers like that were possible

[toxic pewter]

yeah its pathetic to hold others down due to your own weakness

I look down on people that do that

And I will not hold myself down to their standard

[sick sentinel]

yo guys can anyone link the website to sim our gear ?

[toxic pewter]

I will never cease my dps

not for anyone

Its the only way to play

I will not lower myself in the service of weaker individuals

[unkempt imp]

Sounds like you shouldn't play multi-player video games

Or a tank

[toxic pewter]

Nah, the tank that holds the boss must hold the boss

What dont you get about that?

[pallid quiver]

Well, he can have that mindset as long as he plays with other people that want to max their performance like that

[toxic pewter]

I am not going to lower gameplay because they cannot tank effectively

[pallid quiver]

Things like lowering your DPS to ensure the raid goes smoothly are things that won't happen in groups like that

[toxic pewter]

I have never lost aggro

[pallid quiver]

Since apb has mentioned he leaves groups when he would need to otherwise lower his DPS output, I can't really say anything against it as long as he actually does that

[young tartan]

Any thoughts on the best Ring combination for prot?

[pallid quiver]

It's a mismatch of goals/expectations at that point, and it's best for the groups to separate

[toxic pewter]

I will not be spoken down to like I am a problem for the raid, if the other tank loses aggro that is on them. Unless I am actively taunting or some crap

[harsh light]

Has anyone ever had an entire group get disbanded during a key?

[toxic pewter]

yah that happened to me yesterday

I dont see a difference between tanking and 'tank DPS'

[pallid quiver]

Servers have been struggling since sometime yesterday

[harsh light]

20 Halls not timing but still io, group gets disbanded, kills skovold and immediately kicked

[toxic pewter]

yah its not just you happened to me yesterday in RLP

at last boss also

[pallid quiver]

Hence the mismatch in goals and all; the larger playerbase think of tanking as "hold aggro don't die so DPS can bungo pump hellz yeah"

[toxic pewter]

Right... I do hold aggro... its the other tank that lost their aggro and blamed me..

that is wrong in my book

[unkempt imp]

My guy you need a therapist not a warrior class discord.

[pallid quiver]

By pulling aggro off the other tank, you disabled the "DPS can bungo pump hellz yeah" part. So like, it's fine, play with people like you and just keep leaving groups you don't want to play with. Raids are at least nice like that in that there's not as much strain caused if you leave

compared to "lol bricked key" half the time if you leave an M+ group

[prisma crane]

well fwiw, if you dont actively help the other tank hold threat better with advice, then the best play in that moment for YOU is to curb your dmg a bit so as to not pull, it sucks but saying it's all on them is short sighted

[toxic pewter]

I see it as the tank actively tanking lost aggro

[toxic pewter]

Right, I am saying I will not 'curb' or lower my gameplay

I refuse to do that, and I guess most people are ok with that

[prisma crane]

then that's a bad call on your part

you're actively screwing the group over in that moment because you're being stubborn

[toxic pewter]

I wont lower myself to a level artificially

[pallid quiver]

Which, with your goals and expectations, is what happened. To the group you were with, you were both at fault, since you, as a unit, failed the above.

honestly im not sure why we're still talking about this we just keep saying the same points and half agreeing with each other

[fluid shard]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

No, the other tank needs to step it up and hold aggro

what dont you guys see about that?

[prisma crane]

brb while i tell someone to "git gud" and in that moment they do so

as if ppl are intentionally playing poorly

[rancid iris]

Are you helping them?

[pallid quiver]

the amount of people who legit believe that is pain

[prisma crane]

you're probably helping them exactly zero too

[toxic pewter]

if a rogue ripped aggro, do you blame the tank or the rogue?

[prisma crane]

the rogue, because he has tricks

[fluid shard]

The social implications of playing a mmo goes above your personal goal, especially in group content

[pallid quiver]

I've learned that so much by virtue of trying to help people learn games

[unkempt imp]

https://tenor.com/view/you-and-me-you-and-me-over-talk-to-the-wall-gif-12070623

[toxic pewter]

true lmao

[prisma crane]

and he can vanish if needed

[toxic pewter]

my point is tank gotta hold their aggro

[prisma crane]

its a bad example, in this case, YOU are more at fault, despite being the better player

because you're the only one in this scenario that can fix the issue in a moment

[toxic pewter]

no... the tank actively tanking can fix it as well though, they need to press their buttons more or better

[pallid quiver]

but murdering your friends is the endgoal

[fluid shard]

Great help!

[prisma crane]

you just have a shitty mentality with this, idk what to tell you

[rancid iris]

The #1 goal of tanking is not dieing, so dieing because you ripped threat is 100% your fault

[toxic pewter]

But I rippped threat because the other tank didnt do their job

[unkempt imp]

There's no way this guy isn't trolling us...

[pallid quiver]

Nah, apb's like this

[prisma crane]

he's made up his mind, it is what it is

[slate kettle]

prot 4 set VS ILvl, 4 sets worth how many ILvls? like how 4pc normal better than 400+ IL other loot?

[toxic pewter]

I mean I see your points but it feels bad to lower my gameplay artificially

[prisma crane]

but the rest of us know that in that specific moment apb is more at fault

[toxic pewter]

and I dont see it as morally correct in the 'big picture'

[dusty prawn]

Chad tank never loses a gcd till he dies

[pallid quiver]

My favorite is when you do slow DPS,

and you still rip aggro

[toxic pewter]

yeah like Im tired of it... I even have gone into d stance

when im not even tanking

[pallid quiver]

that's when you really gotta be like "okay, please, you gotta do something or i literally cannot use my defensives to protect myself"

[jagged pier]

i mean i literally have ripeed aggro from ppl by just doing my rotation

should i just hands down?

[sterile bough]

is it worth dropping 26 + 10 ilvl for 4 set?

[prisma crane]

it's literally this simple, you APB are capable of INSTANTLY causing the issue to go away by simply sitting on a SS or 2, but instead you refuse and expect another player, who isn't as skilled, to instantly "just be better"

that's not how things work

[rancid iris]

Yeah if you see the threat meter getting close to 90%

[pallid quiver]

threat meters are for cowards

[toxic pewter]

i see your point but I just do not think it is the correct thing to do in the big picture of the raid I realized

if I lower my standards

where does it end

do I tell the DH to slow down

or the healer to slow down

I must play

[rancid iris]

You should join a mythic raiding guild that has similar goals to you

[toxic pewter]

at 100%

[prisma crane]

you're intentionally being ignorant now

because you know the point being made

[toxic pewter]

True and I guess I will be alone and that is fair

Fair enough I guess

Just dont think its right

[dusty prawn]

You literally have to stop dps on certain mechanics if the situation lends to it

[prisma crane]

we've had this issue in the past many times, especially when it's a difference between tank class dmg and burst, even if both are same skill

[oblique garnet]

[prisma crane]

you just have to sit, it's annoying but it's doable

[rancid iris]

/dance

/cry

You can keep the apm up

[toxic pewter]

I will continue to go 100% and be removed if needed

I do it for myself

[rancid iris]

Why not go m+

[prisma crane]

plus the OT can taunt on CD if necessary, you can communicate with hunters and rogues to MD/tricks the guy, there's ways around it other than "fuck them im doin my own thing"

[toxic pewter]

I will not hold myself down

[prisma crane]

congratulations, you're selfish and players like you are a big reason pugs fail

[unkempt imp]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

[rancid iris]

This

[sick sentinel]

Defensive Wise:
A) All-Totem of the Master 408
B) Granyth Scale 411 +

For damage, Granyth does more dmg and its also defensive.

[prisma crane]

there's ways around it and you refuse, that's a you problem

[toxic pewter]

Its not selfish to realize your full potential and not want to give 100% imo

but that is my last word I guess

[prisma crane]

it literally wiped the raid and wasted everyone else's time, that's selfish to a t

[jagged pier]

it depends

[sick sentinel]

in what sense ? Im comparing both

[jagged pier]

if its a guild

no

if its a pug maybe

[potent mirage]

Imagine having a problematic co-tank and deciding, instead of compromising and working with it, that you should also be a problematic tank

[prisma crane]

it was a pug

and i already provided options to work around it

[sick sentinel]

have both, but only want to use one.

[prisma crane]

he refuses because he's too good for them

and then acts shocked he was removed

[meager crescent]

My co tank is a pally and we just communicate and never have a problem lol

[prisma crane]

there was clearly a mismatch in skill, but that doesnt mean the only way forward is to get yourself removed

[potent mirage]

Just whisper them "Hey, I do a lot of DPS, can you taunt on CD a couple of times"

[sick sentinel]

418 bladebinder hoof
and i prefer 1 def, but can def play both offensive.

[prisma crane]

that alone solves it 90% of the time

but hey, he's too good to do that, better for the guy to just be better

[sick sentinel]

https://snipboard.io/H70VOs.jpg

[potent mirage]

I prefer to just get kicked and complain on class discords though about it

[pallid quiver]

my experience with that is that most pug tanks actually flip their shit if you imply they can't hold aggro like that

And then you have problems

[prisma crane]

[toxic pewter]

Thats actually what happened I told him he lost aggro and he got upset 😦

[meager crescent]

@prisma crane why would he ever talk to an inferior being though?

[rancid iris]

There is a difference between people who ID problems and people who ID solutions for problems

[prisma crane]

in my experience, it's all about how you say it, there's ways to talk to people without talking down to them

[prisma crane]

fuck, you right

also, once you're at least a single pull in, the disparity in dmg should be apparent, so there's no need to convince

[potent mirage]

If the other tank is having a bitch fit about having to use taunt to hold threat, now you can get them kicked and they can go complain on their class discord

[prisma crane]

na, just call the other guy shit over and over and dont explain the issue or attempt to resolve it, that's the way

at the end of the day it's w/e, if you're ok being removed then it is what it is, but don't be shocked that your lack of effort in rectifying the situation was met with removal

[rancid iris]

I have a bunch of trinkets and wanted peoples opinion on them. Currently running 17-18 trying to push to 20s at 404 ilvl. Using toe and deco right now, but have access to 421 big toe 402 decoration 389 turtle shell 389 rumbling ruble 392 whelp shell 392 granith scale

[prisma crane]

that's a big big toe

[rancid iris]

Trying to farm a whetstone and pray for grief totem

[prisma crane]

fyi, grieftorch, all-totem

2 diff trinkets lol

[rancid iris]

Lol

[fallow osprey]

But if they were combined…

[prisma crane]

the two together however... that would be bis bis

[prisma crane]

exactly!

[fallow osprey]

😤

[rancid iris]

Maybe in 10.1 there will be a new creation catalysts that let's you merge trinkets.

[prisma crane]

that's some diablo shit, would be fun AF but man things would get out of control quickly

i'd griefboon my ass off

[neon elk]

All totem whetstone - every time u parry a storm is created around you?

[rancid iris]

Love it

[prisma crane]

yea

[rancid iris]

I have been liking toe on pull then deco 20s after, anyone else running 2x active trinkies

[tidal barn]

All totem whetstone didnt do as much dmg as i expected tbx

Tbh*

[neon elk]

I run whetstone and hoof and idk why but i kinda hate hoof xd

[grizzled zenith]

is it possible to remove the armor chain from the shield?

[rancid iris]

Also I only do m+, will pug raids for vault

[tidal barn]

Maybe rumbling ruby is better?

[grizzled zenith]

with recraft?

[prisma crane]

except the ones that are locked to specific pieces

[tulip harness]

Is it possible to add embellishments to items that are not crafted?

[prisma crane]

no, cannot add to non crafted items

[tidal barn]

I am taking loads of dmg on broodkeeper, i just downed her but was pretty tight, is there any talent or smthing i should run or are my healers just bad?

Hc

Yeah shit

[neon elk]

At what phases ?

U get trucked

Whole fight or after eggs?

[tulip harness]

ty

[tidal barn]

Egg phase when in solo tankning ut

[hardy ridge]

Phase 1 ofc since you’re not swapping

[prisma crane]

np Mitzz

[neon elk]

Well phase 2 gets harder the longer it last so it might also be dps issue , that leads to less healing on tank, thats why im asking .

[tidal barn]

Like i read on spreadsheet that spellblock blocks some dmg of the debuff but still hurts

[prisma crane]

fwiw i like that there's 2 bosses in the raid that you can 3 tank and it just makes things much smoother, i think the option to do that is solid game design

2 bosses off the top of my head anyways

[hardy ridge]

Ah never ran into that issue

[prisma crane]

ah, yea that was the second, but was about to say not as big of a deal as brood

[neon elk]

Sit in def stance , and pool rage for IPs if u have to, but like mentioned , 3 tanking it is way easier

[hardy ridge]

Brood hc isnt that bad anymore, was way worse when i was 390 ilvl

[prisma crane]

this is the first tier in a while where it makes me really miss raiding

[tidal barn]

Haha that mach 10 was hillarious, 4th knock was almost rip if u Werent fast

[neon elk]

People gona masively outgear it soon, doing HC in 410 raid is gona be piss ez

[prisma crane]

i think because the raid is pretty awesome and theres actually a lot of solid trinkets

that alone in concept imo has worked out well

just the idea of exciting drops that dont require an end boss to get

[tidal barn]

I just got all totem whetstone and the fire one from the first boss in same run today, but whetstone didnt do as much dmg as i had hoped tbh…

[neon elk]

I hate they once again put all the funy and unique stuff into raid

[tulip egret]

Is it ever worth to craft a cloak?

[prisma crane]

also think that overall the renown system both with ways to acquire and the rewards isnt perfect but its the best iteration of it we've had yet imo

[tulip egret]

Okay thanks

[prisma crane]

ironically it's best on ST

[hardy ridge]

You can if you already have two embelishments and its your lowest ilvl by far

[prisma crane]

whetstone was amazing aoe until they nerfed it in SL from TW keys

[hardy ridge]

I wouldnt tho tbh

[tidal barn]

Wait what? I thought it would be pimpin on m+? It Doesnt aoe?

[prisma crane]

it does aoe

its just that other aoe options can overshadow it

boon just shits all over it

and anything that can heavy cleave is strong

[tidal barn]

Which one is boon

[prisma crane]

dathea trinket

[tidal barn]

Fakkin hell

[stable valve]

Boon goes brrrrrr

It dropped on heroic and all my dps passed on in 😎

[prisma crane]

it's risky, but when you learn where and when to use it it just does a fuck ton of dmg

[stable valve]

Monks can trance too

How can one nerf that which does not exist

[prisma crane]

my only other issue with whetstone is that it's mastery

i'd probably use it more if it had STR instead

[round cliff]

is it ever worth talenting into spell block

[torn gulch]

for m+ yes there are multiple dungeons where it can be used

jade temple is the main dungeon for spell block but there are other instances

[prisma crane]

TJS and RLP are the biggest

some also use in AV

[round cliff]

not sbg?

[prisma crane]

oh yea

also there

but honestly only for that one trash pack lol

[torn gulch]

sbg is very niche for spell block

[round cliff]

how do i know when to use spell block? with a 1.5 min cd it can cover one packs worth of spells but then the next pack which may have identical spellcasters will blow me up next

[tropic tangle]

use it where you need it most? typically it's good on magic type tank busters, like last pack in TOJS or the Jade Serpent Strike on 3rd boss

[trim hill]

The times you need it are on packs with unkickable big nukes or bosses with one which there aren’t that many of

[cinder storm]

You need to rotate CDs for jade serpent, spell block won't do much

[tropic tangle]

like anything else, you gotta figure out where it works and when you need it

[trim hill]

For example you can spell block the last pack before first boss SBG but you don’t really need it again in the dungeon unless your kicks get fucked up

[torn gulch]

the haunting beam from fear trash is one of the hardest hitting trash abilities in m+

pure magic damage

if i am not mistaken

[tulip egret]

what you recommend the use in HoV

[ornate thunder]

Does it block the stupid skeles

[trim hill]

I don’t really take in hov, any time you’re caster on you can reflect or kick or stun or fear

Hyrja shield nuke you can live with regular dr and IP

[tropic tangle]

yes, per the sheet, it blocks Void Slash

[trim hill]

It does, you can face tank them easily with shield block up

[rain kestrel]

best triquets ffor prot warrior in m+?

[atomic inlet]

guys im planning to craft my 418 sheild but im not quite sure of it, maybe i can craft something else?
and i can max my own shield with valor

[prisma crane]

im honestly surprised you did your neck AND weapon before your shield is even at 405

oh wait, and belt too

personally i'd make that shield instantly and just use the valor on your off pieces

crafted is 3 ilvls higher than max upgrade w/o vault for M+ anyways

[true hound]

I'm sitting with a 389 shield doing up to +20s. Trying to get ahold of someone that can craft the shield. Seems like a 418 would be like 11% more damage blocked + the extra armor and stats

Some pulls i'm biting my nails to say the least...

[prisma crane]

it sometimes feels like a boring upgrade since it does little for our output, but man the dmg taken reduction is just night and day

esp if you're going from a 389 to 418

[craggy pilot]

how the fk did i end up in a +18 COS where literally none of the 4 other people knew what happens in a COS

literally hunter who is alch, doesnt know the poison vial

warrior stands in every frontal, dies multiple times

healer doesnt know the beacons

[prisma crane]

when a key is that easy, there's not much reason to learn it

[tulip kelp]

Bro, I somehow didn't time a 20 SMBG yesterday

[craggy pilot]

397 evoker couldnt keep people topped

[acoustic edge]

is there a formula or chart somewhere that shows the amount of dmg blocked by ilvl?

[prisma crane]

last boss? ppl are really bad about not touching the wall

[tulip kelp]

We got to last boss on fort week with 12 mins left and proceeded to wipe like 8 times

[craggy pilot]

last boss is very unforgiving if people dont know

oh on fort?

kekw

[prisma crane]

sounds about right

tbh i think the change they made to that boss was horrible

[craggy pilot]

to be fair, the wall is kinda shitty visualized

[craggy pilot]

what change?

[prisma crane]

its too unforgiving, especially since that wall as you said isnt extremely clearly shown