protection

[cedar trench]

Sounds like fun

[spice radish]

if you have dh/monk you dont need it at all. also if you have a rogue you can skip stormbolt as well

[lyric geode]

Guys, he is going rasza heroic

[modern brook]

expressed as a percentage, how many words are you actually reading in his responses?

[lyric geode]

He needs shockwave to clear orb

[acoustic edge]

Ah. Pug life 😂

[modern brook]

shockwave is good in keys

in raid ther are no stun targets

[plush tendon]

Shockwave awesome in keys

[jagged pier]

u take strombold or int shout for that

[acoustic edge]

Is this a trick question? There weren’t that many words 😂

[jagged pier]

u dont waste

a t3 talent for that

[obsidian path]

I sometimes run a fully talented shockwave in m+

[lyric geode]

It was a sarcasm

[plush tendon]

for Raz, you have interrupt, Stormbolt, fear, and then Blood Elf purg

cause, obviously Blood Elf is the best

[cedar trench]

Ring of ice

[quiet monolith]

I'm getting chewed up and my druid friend gets absolutely deleted on the last room of jade. Is there some mechanic I'm missing ?

[cedar trench]

Actually goated for raz

[quiet monolith]

Even the trash packs chunkkk

[plush tendon]

dark claw?

[ionic roost]

Dathea, Kurog, Spider, all pretty much ST fights where shockwave utility could be used

[autumn marsh]

if its the trash

Kite it

[lyric geode]

Imagine playing be protection warrior

[plush tendon]

I dont have to imagine

[jovial birch]

You assume they will be on point with everything, that is a bold assumption.

[plush tendon]

I look sexy

[quiet monolith]

Yes it's the trash

[lyric geode]

For what reason?

[autumn marsh]

Then kite it

[lyric geode]

Tauren for life bro

[quiet monolith]

Before boss

[lyric geode]

Feel the cow

[autumn marsh]

Its not really tankable

[spice radish]

a good premade group yeah

[heady jetty]

I see more ppl using Unstable Frostfire Belt, can it proc on multiple targets?

[wintry anvil]

Spell Block over Tough? Ruby tends to eat my lunch

[plush tendon]

was a Tauren, model to big and I wasnt used to not have torrent

[autumn marsh]

Dark claw hurts like hell and will tear you to pieces

[plush tendon]

and Torrent in BFA was goated

[cedar trench]

Tru

And real

[plush tendon]

now all my toons are BEs

[spice radish]

dark claw you can just move out and in from the pack, like 2 steps are enough to dodge

[plush tendon]

so consistency

[lyric geode]

I mean, i can agree when arcane torrent was interrupt. But dispell?

[amber siren]

@wintry anvil What is killing you?

[lyric geode]

Too mid

[jovial birch]

Yeah if that’s the case, I only have a team of three so we always have to pug out two spots so I run all my utility.

[plush tendon]

having a dispel is pretty strong

[lyric geode]

You know who else have dispell? Healers

[wintry anvil]

trash in RLP

[plush tendon]

you know who I dont trust.... healers

[lyric geode]

Being tank >>>> being healer

[autumn marsh]

I tend to just swap in spell block when I need to. it seems really op

[modern brook]

it procs the rings

[spice radish]

@jovial birch yeah in that case you might need the extra utility, but once you have a group that knows what needs to be cced/interrupted you can just go more on dam

[heady jetty]

also ppl who ain't using the ring

[lyric geode]

I mean, the only reason we play tanks is to blame healers when we die

[acoustic pebble]

You should play bdk then 😀

[cedar trench]

Spell block will always have a decent use it just depends if you don’t want it to take more dam

[plush tendon]

I do!

but warrior is more fun

right now

[lyric geode]

And you took a responsibility from healer? Eh

Not approving that

[acoustic pebble]

Yep true

[frosty mango]

Dark claw also is reflect able if I'm not mistaken

[amber siren]

Right but what trash? No point speccing into spell block if you're dying to something that isn't even magical

[astral bane]

it is, but still, last pack in that dungeon is cancer

[plush tendon]

I can say Torrent is awesome; doing Broodmother and that add puts the healing thing on everything and priest is slow on the MD.... instant arcane torrent done

[dire matrix]

rlp tjs tav are good for spell block

[eager phoenix]

you can spellblock the dc

[autumn marsh]

You can?

oooo

[frosty mango]

You can facetank this pack and it's not as bad as people think as long as your dps is playing intelligently

[autumn marsh]

Ive just been kiting them

[winged vigil]

what stats should i put on Elemental Lariat?

[gaunt nymph]

what do you think about the 4p war prot?

[plush tendon]

last pack of ToJS you run it and just start rotating def

[astral bane]

refllect is fun as well

[frosty mango]

It's sketchy for sure but you have a lot of tools to use before you gotta hoof it

[plush tendon]

spell block keeps you super safe there for 20 seconds

which is massive

[astral bane]

i mostly pug.. so thats an issue

[plush tendon]

5% leach... its mid

[winged vigil]

i'm new to tanking and icy veins says all stats are good

[sick sentinel]

Haste verse

[spice radish]

I play spellblock at SBG/RLP/TJS/AV. sbg only on tyra

[cedar trench]

For raid meh, for m+ very nice

[frosty mango]

Even as pug, you got spell block for 20s, then you've got shockwave, storm bolt and charge to stun 2 more. Then 2 wall charges

After all of that, yea you may need to kite

[autumn marsh]

2 wall charges?

[eager phoenix]

haste crit, vers is dogwater

[frosty mango]

But if it ain't dead by then the problem ain't you

[amber siren]

Right, which is the point everyone else was already making

[sick sentinel]

In what world is vers dogwater?

[plush tendon]

haste/crit or haste/vers

[frosty mango]

The pack should be dead by then, lol

[tawny kiln]

I really dislike the kite strat in keys

[deft mortar]

i go vers

ez

[astral bane]

i have vers/haste

[winged vigil]

lol now i don't know if i go vers or crit

[eager phoenix]

vers is not better than crit but you do you

[frosty mango]

As a fury player kiting makes me die inside so I try to not do it unless I gotta

[plush tendon]

the reason why vers is good for us is that its the one stat the helps against no physical damage.... however per 1% vers it costs way more # of stats then other stats

[icy bane]

When you are puffing sometimes it’s just the best option

[deft mortar]

Crit is just for shield slam proccing right?

[plush tendon]

crit offers more damage

[deft mortar]

tru parry

[wheat shuttle]

crit gives parry and damage afaik, is it a high key thing? i went for haste/vers

[spice radish]

the only reason crit is better than vers is for dps purposes @eager phoenix

[plush tendon]

and the general idea is that no amount of vers will be the difference maker.... only playing better will be in terms of defense

[deft mortar]

Usually I end up having 40% vers at end of an expansion

[modern brook]

prolly sims highest for them despite it

[deft mortar]

Extra 20% dmg reduction just passive

[tawny kiln]

yea, I know. it's just awful to be in that situation lol

[deft mortar]

is pretty handy vs crappy magic dmg fights idk

[modern brook]

idt it hits multiple targets tho, to answer you directly

[amber siren]

Yep and if it's not, you kite. Saying it 'should be dead' doesn't make it so.

[lyric geode]

If you want to kite play monk?

[plush tendon]

naw, you kite that last pack in Temple

if the pack is still relatively alive

[icy bane]

Just sync the dark claws up and spell reflect them 👍🏼

[lyric geode]

To be fair , i am tired of kiting. I kited adds all SL

Now that I can take damage

[frosty mango]

Depends on how loudly you say it

[lyric geode]

I am more than happy to face tank

[autumn marsh]

I usually justcharge in, stun, shield wall, let off all the AOEs, and then jump out and let the dps go ham

[astral bane]

gonna have to kite a bit just to get out of the crap on the ground

[frosty mango]

I feel like this is a bad strat because tank dps is a significant portion of trash dps

[plush tendon]

get spellblock, and youll be able to stay in so much longer

its actually OP it situations it works

[frosty mango]

Like as a warrior you're pushing 150k in that pack easily

[blazing condor]

also not to add fuel to the whole bloodborne thing but why does it have to be either TAN or bloodborne when you can run both, granted you give up punish

[autumn marsh]

I didnt realise spellblock worked on that back, so ill do that instead in future 😄

[plush tendon]

point allocation

[modern brook]

bloodborne sucks

[plush tendon]

bloodbourne provides less bonus per point spent

which can be placed elsewhere for more gain

if bloodborne was a 1 point node then there would be a case to use it

[blazing condor]

not trying to advocate for it

just noticed the entire discussion was bloodborne v tough as nails

[eager phoenix]

1 point bloodborne less than 1 point tan dmg

[astral bane]

is it just me or do the skeletons in the early part of SBG really hurt?

[plush tendon]

well the argument could be TaN+something else or 2 Bloodbourne

[spice radish]

@astral bane you should try them on 27 LUL

[plush tendon]

in all scenarios, Bloodbourne underpreforms

[astral bane]

feeling it in 17s

[amber siren]

Yep that's v common on fort

[astral bane]

makes me feel like im not playing right

[plush tendon]

you can stun or spellreflect when they do their dark slash attack

also, just use SW or other def

[modern brook]

you get to here and the next point opens 3rd gate

[spice radish]

you dont face tank them w/o wall or spellblock

[modern brook]

so if you take 2 points of BB; you're losing a 3rd gate talent

[spice radish]

these are demon talents

[plush tendon]

Its kind of sussy that in that row, Bloodborne is the only talent that has a 2 point cost

everything else from disrupting shout to TaN is only 1

[cyan lichen]

hello peeps.
does the Frostfire waist counts as an embelishment?

[plush tendon]

yes

[spice radish]

yes

[plush tendon]

its good though

[warm plinth]

You can tell by the "unique-equipped: embellishment (2)"

[plush tendon]

I recommend; especially if you have access to raid rings or will have access to them

[tidal barn]

Why are u using fueled by violence instead of Brutal Vitality? 😮

[lyric geode]

OMFG

[astral bane]

what are you guys using your sparks on? I got Elemental Lariat and engi wrists, thinking of what to get next

[modern brook]

cause i just hit the buttons to prove a point

[vagrant relic]

Guys what would u choose. Rumbling ruby 389 vs horn of valor 402? the raidbots show the ruby being better but I wanna see what u think

[lyric geode]

I didnt know there was such a huge gap between tanks

[warm plinth]

Shield>weapon>whatever low pieces you have that aren't tier slots

[faint sundial]

Hello guys! Please help me decide on the vault pick 🙂 https://gyazo.com/ae0999c2af91dbd1f5a95cf16ddebdfe Wondering between the "BIS" trinket 395 and pants with tier set 408. My current trinkets are bad and I only have 2 set (no legs)

[astral bane]

neither of those sound good.... i think youll want windscar maybe, youll be using whispering icon in raids... and decoration of flame seems to be BiS

[amber siren]

I'm guessing they don't have those trinkets if they're simming those two

[vagrant relic]

Btw does windscar drop only for dds?

[astral bane]

food buff for shield of harth?

[amber siren]

Yep DPS only

[astral bane]

spec for arms or fury for it

[vagrant relic]

so wickedly stupid why

[craggy pilot]

AYY 2500!!

[granite nest]

Is the Dathea Trinket sim-bait? I have Mythic Decoration and Heroic Whispering, but the Dathea Trinket sims as a 3.5k DPS Increase. Need help.

[modern brook]

trinkets a safe grab

[plush tendon]

Dathea trinket pumps... but its dangerous

[warm plinth]

You can't have two embellishment on the same item even if one is the food one

[plush tendon]

since for 10 seconds you are rooted

[fathom goblet]

does shield ilvl matter on how much damage it blocks ?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[granite nest]

Would you just make sure you have a defensive up before Slamming the trinket?

[modern brook]

yeah hats what the block stat is for

[plush tendon]

high I level shield=more block

[fathom goblet]

is there a formula ?

[warm plinth]

That's why shield ilevel is so important

Yes

[granite nest]

Also, can Freedom or Tigers Lust clear the root? @plush tendon

[astral bane]

can you change the stats on the shield or its stuck with crit mastery?

[warm plinth]

Block = block rating / (block rating + k) is the block formula

[plush tendon]

what about Avatar?

[warm plinth]

Hearth is fixed. Make primal molten defender if you want to customize

[granite nest]

I've only just gotten it from raid, haven't tried it at all.

[spice radish]

@craggy pilot Ez 2.5k

gz

[craggy pilot]

ty

now what is new goal 🤔

either i quit, or new goal hmm

[spice radish]

get more than my rio

[tidal barn]

Do you guys know what trinkets are bis for protwarriors in M+ and /or Raids?

[sick sentinel]

Molten defender is the one to go with pair with lariat and belt

[craggy pilot]

shh

[plush tendon]

portals

[astral bane]

dont see alot of top parsers with it

[craggy pilot]

tru

[warm plinth]

With what

[tidal barn]

i got this in the vault can u help me?

[astral bane]

hearth

[warm plinth]

Yeah because it takes an embellishment and it's not particularly good

And you can't remove embellishments on items that come with them

[blazing condor]

what trinkets you got? what weapon you got? what tier you got?

[astral bane]

cant use defender + lariat +belt, arent they all embellished? I guess embellished is optional on shield and belt?

[jovial birch]

Boots and trinket are BiS if they are upgrades probably one of those, decoration of flame I mean

[plush tendon]

I like boots

[spice radish]

boots ++

[plush tendon]

the trinkets are all meh

to me

[warm plinth]

Defender is not embellished unless you put one on it. The other two are.

[plush tendon]

and decoration of flame comes from first boss

that thing will drop a million times this tier

[blazing condor]

i lose all my sockets recrafting my lariat right?

[warm plinth]

All-totem is great in keys

[vale bloom]

do we like 4P in all cases? 😄

[jovial birch]

Yep seen 4 on normal and 2 heroic so far

[warm plinth]

No

[plush tendon]

No

[blazing condor]

dope

[slim dove]

No

[blazing condor]

wait

i mean my gems

[warm plinth]

4p is solid, yes

Same answer

[blazing condor]

dope

[spice radish]

4p in aoe is trash

[warm plinth]

Wat

[blazing condor]

[plush tendon]

4piece is meh

[blazing condor]

"leech is worse in aoe than ST"

[plush tendon]

dont give up too much to get it

[south zealot]

there is 0 reason to not use it if you have it

[warm plinth]

Don't fucking parrot his bullshit

[tidal barn]

I got Strike twice ilvl 415 as weapon, my trinkets sucks Blazebinder's hoof (392) + Ruby whelp shell (398) got 4piece in my bag but only use 2p because of low ilvl on tier-set. but atm using Tier-chest (395) and Tier-hands (395)

[south zealot]

dont drip big ilvl yo use it

[warm plinth]

Dude has the shittiest takes

[spice radish]

you overcap rage anyway in aoe

[blazing condor]

you dont

[spice radish]

dude, ive done 26 in time last week

[blazing condor]

if you play properly

[warm plinth]

What in the fuck does that have to do with it

[spice radish]

cant be that bad right?

[plush tendon]

Ive never overcapped rage in my life

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how this works?

[astral crystal]

it's currently bugged

[vale bloom]

which key? 😄 char name?

[onyx agate]

Could anyone help me understand where I could be doing better for my damage output? I feel alright with my survivability, I’m parsing around 20-40% overall compared but my ilvl parse is usually 8-11% .

I’m sure my gear could be improved but I’m wondering if I’m doing incorrect rotations.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HYKbkjBLxV7TrWFM

[warm plinth]

They just posted an article about it. It doesn't work on Mythic or...elite? Set right now

[spice radish]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Clapsoholic

[lyric geode]

If i knew, i would pick other profs like blacksmith or jewelcrafting

[astral crystal]

you use it, but it doesn't do shit, relog to see the extra pieces

[blazing condor]

i'd probably take all-totem tbh cus it's easier to get decoration. Replace welp shell. But you probably wanna sim it

[astral crystal]

they're "fixing" it in 10.0.5

[tacit gorge]

in m+ aoe scenario i should play revenge - thunderclap - revenge or dump all rage in revenge and thunderclap if i run out of rage?

[lyric geode]

Tailoring/enchanting is so meh

[warm plinth]

Good for you. You still have shit takes.

[blazing condor]

bloodborne spotted

[tidal barn]

All-totem sims best for m+, but boots sims best for raid 1 target bosses

[astral bane]

https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Siggywiggy

How would you guys upgrade my gear? I have two sparks...

[tidal barn]

for dps that is i mean

[blazing condor]

all-totem is pretty great id still take it

has good effects

and does good dam

[spice radish]

@astral bane boots + shield/weapon

[deft mortar]

so if u do like 50k dps 4th set gives u roughly 1k HPS?

[tidal barn]

ppl saying that decoration of flame is bis? isnt that the choice then?

[craggy pilot]

but how do i put it on my armor?

[blazing condor]

its a good trinket but you get it off of first boss

easier to farm

[astral bane]

boots are BiS right? I just need to pump them, as for shield, defenders?

[astral crystal]

you just use the item

it's bugged right now

[whole ember]

Does prot benefit for the effect of the 2 fire rings in the raid or do they not have any fire spells?

[blazing condor]

idk i run decoration + all-totem

im happy with both

[craggy pilot]

i used the itme

but nothing happened?

[astral crystal]

you will get a copy of the gear that's supposed to have the lightning effect

[spice radish]

what content are you doing mostly? M+ or raid?

[jagged pier]

well first off your talents arent helping

[craggy pilot]

like will it just be on my gear perma?

or do i decide if i want it or not?

[astral bane]

60/40 M+

[astral crystal]

like i said, it's bugged. relog to see the extra pieces of gear

[vale bloom]

so you are playing with 2p? not forcing 4p?

[jagged pier]

your also pressing whirlwind

but u need to sort out your defensive play first

50% blocked hits on broodkeeper

it should be 90% +

[spice radish]

im gonna play head/shoulders for ilvl and skip 4set for haste/vers/ilvl pieces

[warm plinth]

Shield/ weapon and it's not even close.

[astral bane]

close to what?

[devout parcel]

i have a 395 cloak, but do i go for this trinket to replace the whelp shell or just take the 415 cloak?

[warm plinth]

To any other possible upgrade

[onyx agate]

I was in adds for this fight and not till 2nd phase did I take brood keeper, does that matter? I think I also forgot to switch my talents from m+ to raid ones.

[jagged pier]

no

u should still be very high block

and u should still not be pressing whirlwind

[faint sundial]

@spice radish Hey Nio, I asked you a question in PM regarding my vault choice, would you be so kind to answer it please 🙂 I would like to hear your expertise

[craggy pilot]

remove Whirlwind from yoru bar

[astral bane]

I got a spellbane ive been meaning to pump, and maybe defenders are the way to go for shield

[warm plinth]

I would take the trinket

[spice radish]

dps build is haste crit, a more tanky build would be vers/mastery/haste. I would go with haste and vers/mastery on every piece though. just do the raid 1st to see what you gonna get and you can mix max from there

[tidal barn]

Thanks mate

[astral bane]

already cleared H VOTI, got shit

[tidal barn]

what boots are bis?

[astral bane]

arent these?

[onyx agate]

I usually default to whirlwind when I’m struggling to get threat from our high out out DPS on multiple trash when roar/ravager/thunderclap are on CD

[jagged pier]

please dont ever do that

u revenge

[hardy snow]

we have revenge for that

[warm plinth]

Have you heard of our lord and savior revenge

[astral bane]

challenging shout or avatar to spam thunderclap

[warm plinth]

You are fundamentally playing the spec incorrectly. You should read the guide tbh.

[onyx agate]

I see that it’s shield slam/thunderclap on CD where slam is priority over clap on single. My avatar I’ve gotten better when it’s active to use a thunder every other ability

[deft mortar]

FBVis 7% of my healing done in M+ overalls

[jovial birch]

Just remove whirlwind from bars and keybinds.

[tidal barn]

I'm actaully having a tiny bit of trouble surviving on broodkeeper, she does loads of bleed dmg. do u guys have any tips for that?

[wheat zenith]

what's actual cd of avatar? Is lining 30s cd trinket a wise choice to put in macro with avatar? The seed trinket I mean

[deft mortar]

ye even so the other one should do better

[wide nebula]

what should i choose from the vault? Blazebinder's Hoof ilvl 411 or normal tier gloves to get 2 set bonus`?

[warm plinth]

~45 seconds. Also you shouldn't use seed trinket; it's shit

[astral bane]

im not a great tank, but even i have H brood of farm, stagger your CDs

[deft mortar]

is 0.15*Overall Dmg Done a good way to estimate BV hps?

[craggy pilot]

hmm what to craft 🤔

should i wait for 4 set to craft anything?

[warm plinth]

I'd sim it but probably 2-set

You can craft items that are not tier pieces, but you do you

[deft mortar]

should I treat BV as almost Leech?

[craggy pilot]

already have 415 boots though, and crafted Wrist + Belt

[warm plinth]

I assume you mean BrV? IN which case, yes

[onyx agate]

So what would be recommend for fights like rasz on platforms when adds are spawning all around and my main cds to get aggro around me or on CD? I feel like after a revenge they don’t mind me still

[deft mortar]

Brutal Vitality

add %dmg done to active IP

currently I run FrV and it does -1,100 HPS overall in M+s

Treating BV as leech and multiplying it by my overall DMG done results with -3k hPS

[craggy pilot]

is Darkmoon Deck box any worth? 🤔 they sim quite high for me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/snoerCuLn4zJv9TxeqJBso

[deft mortar]

Which is outright triple FrV

but I suspect that I may be IP capped time to time

[hardy snow]

dont use all CDs on one pack if you have issues, ask rogues/hunters to help via tricks, stack up rage for revenge spam when mobs appear

[warm plinth]

You have some lower ilevel rings you could replace with a crafted one (I assume one is the damage cobalt ring; can't tell)

[craggy pilot]

i have cobalt + COS ring (398 in bag waiting to upgrade) 🤔

[deft mortar]

Does Brutal Vitality stack above the IP limit?

[sick sentinel]

these are the boots im using, got them from vault tuesday

[deft mortar]

the 2 stack limit

[warm plinth]

A lot of the aggro issues you're talking about having @onyx agate will be remedied once you're playing the spec properly.

[astral bane]

yeah, those are what im using

[deft mortar]

My IP wont stack past 141k

[warm plinth]

IP is capped at 30% of your max health

[median tulip]

You should use Watcher's Loam enchant on boots

[deft mortar]

nice to know thanks lots

[sick sentinel]

i also have some non embellishment crafted haste versa boots, and i'll recrafted them later for higher ilvl, but i would rather get a second embellishment on something wont upgrade long time

[deft mortar]

Hmm given its 3 IP's roughly to hit my IP cap I think BV might be 100% active

[sick sentinel]

which is the loam? 110 stam

[warm plinth]

Boot enchant really doesn't matter

Use whatever you want

[sick sentinel]

i asked between that and speed (what i did now) and someone said "its only +1k max hp"

[hardy snow]

why he should use meaningless amount of stamina?

[deft mortar]

to increase the IP ap duh\

cap*

xd

[warm plinth]

[onyx agate]

It’s usually that final third set where I spam whirlwind to get aggro, I’ve gotten a little better about staggering ravager and roar there, we just got one hunter, so I’ll use her and get on my platform. Unfortunately no rogues to tricks.

[warm plinth]

Yeah gotta increase that IP cap 300 HP 😏

[deft mortar]

hell yeah brother

get that extra 0.01% HPS on imdomitable

[warm plinth]

LOL

[hardy snow]

but revenge does more damage and gives better threat, as prot we dont use whirliwnd at all, never, you can try use roar on first pack, ravager on 2nd and roar/aoe taunt on last one

[sick sentinel]

stamina feels like a chest enchant if you ask me, not feet, shoes make you go faster so i put speed on them EZ

[odd tree]

i was looking at Terros for your single target. you need to always be casting. your rage gen is really low and your cpm could be 20 or so higher.

[astral bane]

check DM

[warm plinth]

Let's compare:

Whirlwind
30 rage
Does not give deep wounds
Does not proc shield slam resets

Revenge
20 rage
Does more damage
Does give deep wounds
Does proc shield slam resets
Does increase Thunder Clap's damage
Does have a chance to be free

[sick sentinel]

on next attack as opposed to instant

[warm plinth]

Hm?

[onyx agate]

For revenge

[warm plinth]

On next attack abilities don't exist in retail

[golden dawn]

It's not heroic strike

[warm plinth]

Both are instant

[icy bane]

Revenge has always been instant

[autumn marsh]

Basically stop using whirlwind 😛

its trash as prot

[sick sentinel]

point im saying is way i heard it, is WW is less in every regards possible

[warm plinth]

The absolute only "positive" that whirlwind has over revenge is that it's AoE instead of a frontal cleave. But that is irrelevant when you compare it to all of its negatives in comparison to revenge.

[autumn marsh]

Also if mobs are behind you then you have bigger issues than hitting the wrong buttons

[warm plinth]

Yep lol

[urban bane]

love to have mobs behind me as prot 🫡

[warm plinth]

Hence the quotes on positive XD

[warm plinth]

If you're not letting them melee without blocking, are you even living

[autumn marsh]

It builds more rage!

[onyx agate]

I’ve def got the message to remove whirlwind it’ll come off the bars

[warm plinth]

Make sure you don't have Rend or Slam on there either 👀

[urban bane]

just yearning to feel *something *

[autumn marsh]

This is my first expac tanking, and yeah, threat is really no issue

[warm plinth]

LOL Muse

[onyx agate]

Rend is on my top bar but I don’t touch it cause of the talents causing rend automatically

[autumn marsh]

If the wow forums are anything to go by, we never get hit ever so this would work

[urban bane]

if im always ignoring pain im also not feeling joy either

[onyx agate]

I learned that lesson

[urban bane]

😢

[spice radish]

any1 has this chest crafted and knows the actual uptime?

[autumn marsh]

Doesnt seem very good

Poor stats, and the proc is weak

[sick sentinel]

not me and i doubt many here cuz versa mastery

[icy bane]

Just go crafted bracers if you want vers embellishment

[warm plinth]

It's 1ppm so it's about 16% uptime

[daring barn]

What do you guys think I should choose here? I have 2pc (head and chest). Using Rumbling ruby and Decoration of Flame trinkets. Rings are Coblat absorb and random 392 from m+. Leaning towards the ring and crafting frostfire belt for more procs

[autumn marsh]

Id be pushing for more tier

[icy bane]

Seal

[warm plinth]

absorb rings 💤

[autumn marsh]

Prot tier specially 4 piece is awesome

[icy bane]

Maybe peaks because they rolled m+ tier

[sick sentinel]

i should have taken more tier from the vaults, still 1/4

[autumn marsh]

I have 0/4 at the moment, just have only had trash vault

[warm plinth]

Trinket is good. Ring is fine but the other one is better. Still a big upgrade from a 392 though.

[sick sentinel]

probably could have been 4/4 lower ilvl

[warm plinth]

Probably sim it tbh

[daring barn]

replacing the cobalt ring sims for 1k more dps

[warm plinth]

That's not surprising

[icy bane]

You can swap to seal, swap cobalt to the damage proc one and craft belt

Win win win

[autumn marsh]

I was using shield cobalt ring, perhaps i should switch mine to dps one

[wheat zenith]

thanks, is it really trash? I'm m+ player

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's really trash

[wheat zenith]

😦

[warm plinth]

It's better than lifeflame ampoule or whatever but that's all it has going for it 😂

[polar raptor]

this going to be rough week, DPS facetanking spitful and dying or rage quiting for me not taunting...

[wheat zenith]

What are recommended trinkets then? I use Static-Charged Scale and Granyth's Enduring Scale. I know that first boss of raid drops nice trinket but I cba raiding

[warm plinth]

total damage over the course of a dungeon

[warm plinth]

blazebinder's hoof, windscar whetstone, the other hoof trinket that I haven't seen drop all season

[autumn marsh]

I use it for fury, didnt think about using it for tanking, was obsessing over tanking less damage

[wheat zenith]

thanks

[amber siren]

Shorter fights = less damage taken

[steel canyon]

do we play frostfirebelt or sth else ?

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter.

Make belt if you have raid ring(s). Otherwise make/embellish whatever you want

[steel canyon]

i have shield, lariat, sword and now belt

problem is i have the enchant on the shield can i order recraft and remove it?

[warm plinth]

Not if it's shield of the hearth

Can't remove embellishments from items that come with them

[velvet hawk]

sup guys, would you kindly rate my vault? Out of 10?

thanks in advance

[steel canyon]

i got the molten defender

[astral bane]

0

[odd tree]

not taunting spiteful?

[warm plinth]

Lol what

[flint star]

What weapon enchant should I choose if Im doing mainly M+ and raids time to time?

[warm plinth]

sophic devotion

[blazing condor]

i went frozen

[sharp bone]

frozen if mainly m+ works like a charm

[steel canyon]

so i cant remove the spikes embelishment by recraft ?

[craggy pilot]

boys, is Darkmoon Deck Box simbait?

[warm plinth]

You can remove the embellishment from this shield

[steel canyon]

thanks lad

[warm plinth]

Just make sure to find a good crafter; you can lose ilevel in recrafts if the crafter is worse/doesn't get a proc

[odd tree]

Anyone know if they fixed groups?

[warm plinth]

We have no idea what you're simming, what you're simming against, etc. As far as I know, they sim correctly though.

[odd tree]

Or are folks still getting kicked mid run?

[craggy pilot]

just droptimizer 🤔

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/snoerCuLn4zJv9TxeqJBso

[amber siren]

First time I'm hearing about random group kicks?

[craggy pilot]

just looks weird that 418 Darkmoon Deck Box is 2.5% better than 405 big toe

[fallow osprey]

Can you get raid finder or heroic or mythic tier appearances via m+ vault rewards? I’ve only seen normal appearances regardless of ilvl for m+ vault rewards

[crude notch]

It's been resolved

[craggy pilot]

when 415 big toe is only +0.9%

[warm plinth]

A lot of it is probably just the strength difference. I'm not sure what sims do as far as the proc for the darkmoon trinket, since it has a range on it.

[median tulip]

Does anyone know how the Windscar Whetstone works with regards to target caps?

[blazing condor]

are you simming items from all sources? @craggy pilot

[craggy pilot]

no just professions

chech the link i put

[odd tree]

Last night all groups would be disbanded across servers at random intervals. Raid finder, pre-made, heroics. Basically you had 60s to reform, if you were mid boss it was a wipe.

[warm plinth]

It's soft-capped at 5 targets (meaning it deals reduced damage per target past that point)

[pastel moth]

Evening! Will impending victory reset on explosives? Thanku.

[median tulip]

Figures; I was wondering because it doesn't actually say that (although I guess that's a function of it being an old trinket that's been bought back)

[warm plinth]

Yeah the whole "BFA split" thing didn't happen until, well, BFA

[amber siren]

Huh that's super weird

[mossy tulip]

any tips on what items spend valor?

[blazing condor]

Trinkets and jewlery is cheap

[dire matrix]

so i should upgrade this

[icy bane]

Yes it’s pretty good

[dire matrix]

i should fix the enchant

i could just get haste/vers tho

idk

not like crit is bad tho

[icy bane]

Haste > Crit = Vers

[dire matrix]

i thought it was vers>crit

i see

with socket its probs worth then

[mossy tulip]

i think i will upgrade this wrist, rly good roll

[dire matrix]

i wouldnt personally

the ring is almost not worth it imo

[icy bane]

Just farm SBG for gold steel for the crit/haste ones

[autumn marsh]

Except the stats are wrong

[dire matrix]

i should save some valor for tier i guess

[icy bane]

Only thing I’ve upgraded has been the COS ring to 415 and whetstone to 415

[dire matrix]

and for whetstone

[icy bane]

Saving everything else for catalyst

[dire matrix]

when i dont get that

ive done ring bracers

ill do trinket

[sage sierra]

When is catalyst Coming?

[autumn marsh]

2 weeks ish

[sage sierra]

Oh nice

[autumn marsh]

so maje sure to get mythics pieces ready

[dire matrix]

if they drop sure

got 405 shoulders and legs ready

not gonna upgrade pending vault and next week reclear ofc

[warm plinth]

I got your mom ready

gottem

[dire matrix]

nice score idiot

[warm plinth]

Thanks

I am a top notch player, don't you think

[dire matrix]

same cope

[obsidian garden]

Is burgeoning seed trinket any good or garbage ?

[tall raft]

Should I change ilvl 392 gloves for 376ilvl tierpiece to get the 2set bonus?

[icy bane]

Probably not, if it was completing 4 piece prolly

Seed is very ok, not exceptionally good

[warm plinth]

Garbage

[reef holly]

just timed my first 14, KSM here we come.

[warm plinth]

Yes.

[sullen jungle]

What crafted items would be a good idea to prio? 🙂

[dapper venture]

Lariat is good

[icy bane]

WEP/shield depending on your ilvl of those items

[sullen jungle]

Got 376 wep and shield.

[warm plinth]

Weapon and shield then

[icy bane]

WEP/shield it is

[sullen jungle]

Any Embellishments i should go for on them if i dont go for Lariat or is Lariat kind of a must've

[warm plinth]

Lariat is not any stronger than any other embellishment

[icy bane]

All embellishments are roughly 1% damage, so nothing is a must have

JC tricking people into thinking lariat is bis

[warm plinth]

Gotta make back their 1.5 mil gold somehow you know

😂

tbf when the buffs overlapped it was bis

[sullen jungle]

Ah, i was thinking of doing the proc for weapon, and either vers or well fed for shield. Got 4 sparks to use

[icy bane]

Well doesn’t take embellishment

[dapper venture]

food doesnt use an embellish

[icy bane]

You can have well fed and two embellishments

[sullen jungle]

Ohh

[warm plinth]

Hey I don't think food uses an embellishment

can't be sure though 🤔

😂

[icy bane]

It does not

[warm plinth]

I'm being sarcastic :p

[icy bane]

/s

[sick sentinel]

did the keys dc thing stop

[sullen jungle]

Well then imma get embellish for wep and figure out the last one later.

[icy bane]

Yeah it was fixed @sick sentinel

[tall raft]

Thank you!

[lilac jay]

what would u pick? i already got shoulder and pants from set. with catalyst in soon future i think i might go for the Ring

[icy bane]

421 ring good

Glove tier not very good stat wise

Rather have helm/chest/shoulder/pants

[lilac jay]

esp. if i can catalyst good stats t-set next week?

[icy bane]

Think it’s the week after next but ye pretty much

[earnest nymph]

how do you all feel about frozen vs sophic devotion for keys in the 18+ range?

[icy bane]

I’d rather use SBG gloves with crit haste then tier

Gloves easy to farm too with ease of key + small loot pool

[icy bane]

Frozen probably edges out in m+

[earnest nymph]

not talking just in terms of dam fwiw

[fallow osprey]

Since chest has a higher stat budget than gloves, you'd want to optimize your chest piece instead of gloves

@icy bane

which means getting chest offpiece

[lofty widget]

got heroic boon and icon in vault, but i guess 421 tier shoulders are better? 😦

[polar raptor]

Yea, had a hunter rage quick an Azure Vault saying I was trash as he face tanked every spiteful spawn that I didn't stun for him

[odd tree]

nice

wait, what happens when a hunter feign deaths a spiteful?

[warm plinth]

Nothing

[plain saffron]

Is crit alot worse than vers for prot?

I like to off spec arms and am wondering

[warm plinth]

It keeps coming for you like Jason Vorhees

[odd tree]

lul

[warm plinth]

No, both are about equal

[polar raptor]

that I don't know, group was pretty good, everyone on top of interrupts, had hope, then hunter MD'd a patrol into while tanking another group in the rings and all hell broke loose.

[icy bane]

Ahh so probably better to go for COS chest + tier gloves

[odd tree]

was wondering if it would randomly agroe the next person

[warm plinth]

Nope. Spiteful will stay on their target unless it dies, and then they go to the tank

[plain saffron]

oh okay, perfect, thanks

[gilded fable]

does anyone have an idea why bloodmallet sims suggest that the triple buff on whispering incarnate is a slight dps downgrade? see: https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[sullen jungle]

Its Fang Adornments for weapon Embellish correct?

[icy bane]

Ye

Trying to farm HOV for fen belt, holy shit why does this dungeon of so many drops

[fallow osprey]

chest off of dathea also works depending on what content you do

[sick sentinel]

Is 4 pc worth it normal/lfr ilvl

[hexed adder]

Quick question. As a prot war in m+ do you synch cds? Or just use whenever.
Atm im doing

1. Avatar, ravager, roar, sc, demo shout
2. Avatar, sc, demo
   And then rinse and repeat

[modern brook]

cds sync naturally and/or are tied to cdr and holding them is weirdge

[high drum]

variance, they are identical

there is no difference between having another tank with it or not

you cant proc vers

[hexed adder]

Not always. Sometimes cause of rage i have avatar ready like 15 seconds before sc

[modern brook]

that would fall under being tied to cdr and holding being weirdge

[hexed adder]

So just use whenever?

[icy bane]

Precast ravager so ravager charge SB avatar demo roar I think is what you wanna do

[modern brook]

yeah also avatar lasts 20s

so even a 15s desync is still syncd

demo gets a little awkward with tlords, but again, tied to cdr, weird to hold. Avatar + roar timing can also get awkard cause u want the dot in the avatar buff but more is better here and just sending on cd is fine enough

[gilded fable]

that makes sense until you look at other tanks (e.g. VDH) where having a tank makes a sim difference big enough that it's not variance, i think https://bloodmallet.com/chart/demon_hunter/vengeance/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[modern brook]

rest should be pretty much every avatar or every other

[high drum]

its variance

a second tank doesnt make you proc any differently

either badly simmed or variance

[gritty bane]

for raiding do you guys prefer phial of static empowerement or phial of the eye of the storm? eventually what is best

[jagged pier]

glacial

[gritty bane]

i feel lik static empowerement is kinda dead against some bosses

[amber siren]

Glacial

[jagged pier]

u get nothing from ither main stat flasks in raid

[gritty bane]

allright, thanks 🙂

[hexed adder]

Okay, thanks!

[whole magnet]

Like on a lot of tanks in SL, is it best to open the vault in a DPS spec?

[modern brook]

unless you're hunting a 421 shield

[rancid iris]

If you don't want shields or 1h/tanking trinkets

[modern brook]

or specifically need a tank trinket

IF you wanta 1h u just open in fury

and if u dont you open in arms

[tawny parcel]

hey guys, is there ever a world where a prot war will run only 2pc and not 4pc? just understanding if our tanks trolling

[high drum]

in fact you can see on the site why the simulation is bad

for tank specs it still assumes you are a dps

[modern brook]

4pc is entirely defensive, if they're optimizing damage sims would likely tell them to drop 4pc

that said

[glad badger]

vault

[tawny parcel]

M kurog

[modern brook]

having 4pc is better than not having 4pc so like

[high drum]

https://i.imgur.com/6Cs8EP5.png this is prot

but its not possible for there only to be a dps as prot

so the site is just bad im afraid

for dps specs it seems correct, they have dps+x, dps+y and dps+x+y

and dps alone

but for tanks its clearly modelled incorrectly

[flint grove]

Stats on my 418 weapon, is this a sim choice or always Haste / Vers?

[icy bane]

Haste/Verse or Haste/Crit up to you

[flint grove]

Cheers bud

[sick sentinel]

Is there any reason to open an m+ vault as protection warrior?

[high drum]

shield

[gilded fable]

thanks for the thorough explanation ❤️

[high drum]

np

[sick sentinel]

418 its pretty good. Would it be a good bet to do it only for the shield?

[high drum]

i dunno, depends what else you have. you can't get grieftorch as prot is the main reason to open as arms

same with whetstone

fury if you still want a 1h too

[modern brook]

shield is a big slot, 421 is max ilvl for it. Up to you if you value the 3 ilvls of block over whatever other upgrades you could fish for

[flint cliff]

I crafted 418 1h and shield so i can open vault as arms

[languid light]

I'm puzzled by a sim result. I run engineering goggles with haste at 402, but dungeon drops sim ~1k dps higher, even Helmet of Reverent Loyalty, which pretty much only replaces ~300 haste with mastery. That really shouldn't explain 1k dps gain? Am I missing something? Here's the sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iSWW2K83fWqxm8zuiYeVsm

[sick sentinel]

that was my reasoning

[modern brook]

personally; I'd open in Prot till i have a 421, and run keys in arms

[sullen jungle]

Quick question, what would benefit us the msot in terms of dps Frozen Devotion or Sophic?

[amber siren]

You can sim it

[steel canyon]

is worth to wear 4set even if 2 pieces are lfr over item level ?

[jolly wasp]

bois these are the suggested crafts from the droptimizer, considering I still have no Eranog ring do I get the ring anyway or do I go for bracer and wait for Eranog ring from vault?

[atomic inlet]

hey guys i have a question
i have enough valor for shield max upgrade and
i can craft a 418 sheild too
i wanted to craft a wrist but idk

[spice radish]

cr wrists if you do m+

[atomic inlet]

i do only m+

[spice radish]

go for

and upgrade ur shield

[amber siren]

Isn’t the eng res like 50/50?

[atomic inlet]

wow didnt know this was a thing

[echo scarab]

Ok boys after only having trash vaults i feel like this time its too good

I do already have set legs but at 389.

I dont have hands yet and they'd be me 4p.

And then theres the big grieftorch, i have it at 398 already.

(I already have set shoulders at 398 so i suppose they're worth the least)

Any suggestions? im lost

[high drum]

GRIEFY T

[echo scarab]

DONT SAY THAT MAN

[high drum]

do u already have a griefy t

[echo scarab]

yeah 398

[high drum]

i'd take the torch or the legs

[spice radish]

apparenlty you raid so raid loot is kinda meh, If you dont go for very high keys and you dont craft the legs with haste embellishment, then go for the legs, otherwise back is bis as well

[high drum]

415 is mythic raid tier level

for legs

but i would still take the torch

[echo scarab]

im raiding hc and doing keys around +18

[high drum]

hc legs are only 402

[jolly wasp]

bump

[echo scarab]

yeah legs look yummy too, cloak is sick too but looks too lame compared to the rest, doesnt it

[spice radish]

for end game gear, cloak is better

[echo scarab]

[spice radish]

coz of catalyst

[high drum]

is it tho?

[amber siren]

There’s no answer, it’s RNG. You could never get the ring or get it next raid. Pick whatever you want.

[high drum]

415 legs you'd have to get a 421 leg slot in future to beat

and that means not taking another 421 slot

[bleak skiff]

Anyone with good weakaura for tracking second tank debufs?

[echo scarab]

huh but back isnt a set piece

[spice radish]

i mean, if that was my vault i would go for back>manic>legs

[bleak skiff]

Cause I cant see them at all in raid and it piss me off

[drifting needle]

Co-tank auras on wago

[bleak skiff]

Thanks gonna try it

[high drum]

you can do something like this with suf https://i.imgur.com/6iiiYeX.png

[echo scarab]

appreciate the input buddy

[jolly wasp]

I agree on co-tank auras. They help a lot

[spice radish]

naowh has a great one for the raid

[dim girder]

Hey guys, I want to know what to enchant my weapon with.. Is there a channel on the discord to look for it?

[flint needle]

Im new to Prot, i've done a couple of low keys now, but, if i have struggle sometimes to survive, do i just go def stance ? And for defensivnes do i go Vers or haste food ?

[echo scarab]

Naowhs is chefskiss, as the whole ui

[orchid mural]

Question, my DK co-tank is parsing high purple / pink. I parse 75 - 85. He still struggles with threat, and we've misplayed mechanics due to it, 1 or 2 wipes. Any advice, or should i simply back off a little?

[spice radish]

if you are new just stick with dstance, ive tanked up to 26 with bstance, swapping into dstance for tank buster abilities and/or 4+pack pulls when my dps cds are over

[amber siren]

Depends what you’re dying to and why you’re dying

[loud wave]

Hi, could anyone tell me if I should aim to Craft primal molten longsword or obsidian seared slicer? What's the diffrence? Is crafting one harder than the other?

[spice radish]

main stat food is always better

[amber siren]

All weapons are normalised

[frosty mango]

Do you have a set group or do you pug? I find in my group I can bstance no problem and dance as needed but in pugs I generally have to dstance fort trash past like 18

[analog sparrow]

They're the same, just different costs based on your servers economy around the alloys

[steel canyon]

does someone has a personal bis list with items(raid and m+) they prefer to run m+ with ?

[frosty mango]

This is going to depend on your approach and group

Damage vs mit, etc

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[steel canyon]

more like idk if should go for more haste or should i rather wear frostfirebelt, eranog ring and hoof trinket

[loud wave]

Thank You

[urban bane]

I understand the appeal of trying to have a bis set of gear as a goal to strive towards, but legit: focusing on your gameplay and improving from that will take you further than anything else. If you're starting out, ilvl still be king. The embellished stuff is a few percent damage gain here and there

gain ilvl, grow in your performance. then worry about more fidgety stats later

[steel canyon]

ye that helped me a lot

[exotic rapids]

Do you still need max level cooking to use Nightshade Refreshments in COS?

Had it up twice now and I was not able to interact with it but another play was

[frosty mango]

Trinkets are going to depend on if you want damage vs defense - your kit is going to depend highly on your approach and honestly you could wear anything, how you play is going to be a much bigger factor than what you wear

[oak heart]

is there a trinket tier list for m+ out there?

[steel canyon]

im new to retail have like 2200 rio and i kinda mess arround with my sets but i dont really have an exact idea whats good even doing a sim doesnt say a lot to me

[quick linden]

wowhead has trinket tier list

[plush tendon]

I level. If I level equal prio haste

[acoustic edge]

i watched a vid the other day that suggested going into a mythic dungeon solo (or m+ depending on your gear) and just practicing surviving by yourself as long as possible.

i gave that a try and what became immediately obvious for me is that if im not doing a good job keeping shield block/ignore pain up i start dropping like a rock. might be worth well to check that?

[amber siren]

Tbf the wowhead trinket list says 2 different things last I checked

Unless it’s been updated

[quick linden]

its condensed down to 1 list now

[amber siren]

Yeah still has whelp as the best M+ trinket

[spice radish]

i have a premade group

[plush tendon]

I recommend just going to subcreation and seeing what combinations of trinkets people are running

[spice radish]

flamethrower KEKW im just going with the safe option of cr incase we wipe. saved us a few 24s to be honest

[quick linden]

ah i see what you are saying if you ignore that the tier list below is what i use

[steel canyon]

btw is decoration the better hoof trinket basicly?

[plush tendon]

they do different things

for damage, you should sim, but hoof is probably better

for def, Decoration is probably better

[jagged pier]

no

flame

does nothing

a use is less than an ip

[plush tendon]

^ there ya go

[amber siren]

Yeah it’s really dumb, I wish they’d fix it since it always trips people

[plush tendon]

just curious; why is it popular then?

[neon elk]

How good/bad is that diruna shield ring ?

[urban bane]

easy ilvl str gain probs

[plush tendon]

8%-10%

[tropic tangle]

guessing people don't have better? I use it because it's my highest ilvl trinket

[steel canyon]

me too :D

[urban bane]

drops from first boss. ez mythic ilvl str

[frosty mango]

Ruby does decent damage but it's always pulling shit through the floor

[tropic tangle]

I'd replace it in a heartbeat with just about anything of equal or higher ilvl

[jagged pier]

shield ring ppl think its the only decent tank trinket

like if u look at logs like 99% of them are holding it

when if they just sent it on cd

they would get far more use out of it

[plush tendon]

I mean.... they arent wrong its probably the only decent 'tank' trinket

I gotta be dps to get windscar

[craggy pilot]

this any good for prot?

[steel canyon]

windscare still sth to aim for i guess?

[plush tendon]

its swag

[urban bane]

not a great use of embellish slot

[plush tendon]

I use it all the time

[acoustic edge]

so i take sending it ignoring the effect of the shield is the best use for it?

[plush tendon]

I have a 415 windscar and a 415 crumbling ruby

[craggy pilot]

as i heard its around 1% for any embellish 🤔

[plush tendon]

For DHs, I beleive they need like 70% uptime of the mastery to make it good

[steel canyon]

retail is sometimes way too dank for me. so many options :D

[plush tendon]

as a tank... you go up and down

[neon elk]

So its just rep ring with better stats and ilvl

[plush tendon]

pretty much

its pretty neat

[strong forum]

its like 1% mastery

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye, was just looking for something for both Arms + Prot

[strong forum]

so not better or worse than any other embellishement

[craggy pilot]

but is 1% mastery = 1% dmg?

[strange lintel]

Aren't all embellishments supposed to be aiming for like 0.5-1.5% DPS gain

[languid light]

are you sure? Flame does around 100k for me, twice. IP is 42k. What am I missing?

[steel canyon]

do u know or can explain why the academy trinket has a good sim but no one wearing it ?

[jagged pier]

well mythic one does 80k

and whats 42k x 2

[gritty bane]

what kind of embellishement should i get? i got lariat ofcourse, but other than that, is there one that is considered bis? ignoring ilvl

[ivory cairn]

its 4000 haste too much haste? D:

[echo scarab]

weird to use outside of raid cause it has cast time

[plush tendon]

puzzlebox?

[urban bane]

pins have a good overview

[plush tendon]

Cause, it has a 2 second cast time

[craggy pilot]

shouldnt ignore ilvl

[steel canyon]

yep

[plush tendon]

cast time, long CD

[amber siren]

It’s a two second cast time, requires planning to use it

[languid light]

my heroic Decoration of Flame does 100k, twice, so that's 200k. Compared to 42k from one IP

[plush tendon]

rather just have a whetstone which is fire and forget

[strong forum]

Roughly, ye

[strong forum]

Not correct, it does 100k then 3sec later 100k again. It doesn't stack

So in reality it'll do like 140k

[gritty bane]

thanks, i was just having trouble finding any info about it 🙂

[strong forum]

If you time it poorly, it's just 100k

For a 2min cd

[steel canyon]

im trying to get one but i already did 25 runs without success, im trying to mess with frostfire belt, hoof and ring now and i dont know i just go item level and focus on playing.

[echo scarab]

how does yours give 100k

[languid light]

depends on how many targets it hits. I just tested on 5 dummies, and it was 100k first hit

[icy bane]

Look at the mythic version

[echo scarab]

he said hc though

[strong forum]

Mythic + lots and lots of vers

[wheat zenith]

What's difference between frostfire belt effect(the one that leaves Lingering Spark) and ferocity effect(chance on dealing physical damage). Is it worth to switch from ferocity to frostfire belt? I'm only M+ player

[icy bane]

O my bad

[craggy pilot]

how do i sim embellishments? 🤔

[deft mortar]

feel sry about ppl running halls of infusion this week ngl

[odd tree]

anyone know if the miniboss before the first boss in RLP could be skipped?

[deft mortar]

Idont think so

[odd tree]

Defiler Draghar is his name, can't find info on whether he has true sight

[echo scarab]

his is hc too though, how much vers does he have to have then lmao

[toxic gyro]

He does

[icy bane]

My fourth spark quest bugged, don’t have option to grab quest

Classic blizzard

[exotic rapids]

can always meld or death skip

[strong forum]

He'd need like 80% vers to get 100k from it

[echo scarab]

[strong forum]

So yeah somebody isn't looking at his actual numbers

[plush tendon]

imported some corruption

[fathom goblet]

why on wowhead says that weapon from AA is better than the one that drops on ON that has an proc ?

[unique breach]

currently have lariat weapon and shield (armor spike) at 405; do i ditch spikes for a 4th crafted piece with an alternate embell? not raiding, so no ring for belt

[icy bane]

Haste vers > strike twice proc prolly

[quick linden]

stats

[fathom goblet]

stats better than proc ?

[icy bane]

Ye proc is probably like 1% damage mag e

Maybe*

[craggy pilot]

how do i sim Embellish? like Fang 🤔

[odd tree]

yea, dudes a meat sack right before 1st boss, but a death skip might not make up for it

[strong forum]

It's technically more defensive

[strong forum]

Up do you, I personally wouldn't

[wheat zenith]

anyone pls? 🙂

[strong forum]

The lingering spark can proc the fire raid rings

[unique breach]

thanks, alternate was to spend on fury in case prot gets slapped with nerfs suddenly

[languid light]

This is the second hit after they come back. First hit is 100k-ish, didn't manage to screenshot that. This is with 10% Vers

[exotic rapids]

I get 106k with 5 targets

his numbers are right

[atomic inlet]

hey guys what do u recommend i craft ? ( have a 418 sholder on vault))

[strong forum]

Ah right, it scales up with targets

Forgot that part

[icy bane]

Think other tanks would be brought in line over heavy handed nerfs

[craggy pilot]

shield

[deep spruce]

Shield

[strong forum]

Shield

[deft mortar]

omfg the infusion quest required me to do the last boss too

[atomic inlet]

i can valor upgrde the shield

[deft mortar]

I just left after 1st

[icy bane]

That 408 totem im jealous

[craggy pilot]

not to 418

[strong forum]

Craft shield, spend valor elsewhere

[deft mortar]

T^T couldnt they just have typed that in the q text initially

[unique breach]

totally agree! just not sure there's a 4th crafted to piece into my set that would be worth

[icy bane]

4 HC kurog kills not a single all totem -_-

[zinc spruce]

whats the best offensive trinkets for us?

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how i sim Embellish Gloves? 🤔

[strong forum]

Grieftorch

[fathom nova]

100% this. We are too many weeks into the season for a heavy handed nerf. I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen for season 2 depending on scaling.

[icy bane]

Whetstone, grief torch, storm boon

[strong forum]

Maybe you can add that with the + symbol on Sims idk exactly

[wheat zenith]

what's diff between this effect and belt one? Is it worth to create belt instead? I've it on my weapon

[strong forum]

Again Koben

The fire proc can proc the rings from raid

[zinc spruce]

ty

[strong forum]

Otherwise, no they're the same

[wheat zenith]

oh ok

I don't raid so easy choice, thanks

[atomic inlet]

i mean i have the bulwark
isnt hat bis and better to upgrade that no?

[neon elk]

Am i stupid or how do i remove embelish?

[strong forum]

Ilvl is bis on shield.

Not stats

Just raw ilvl

[strong forum]

Need another item called grishas vanishing something something iirc

And then you need to re-craft the item

And run into the chance of downgrading it

[atomic inlet]

1 queston how does some people have 15/13 gear

[strong forum]

Vault

[icy bane]

Ye vault can give you up to 421 m+ gear

[neon elk]

But it still requires just base mats right ? Not that infused thing or w/e

[strong forum]

Recrafting costs very little, ye

[icy bane]

Ye don’t need infused anymore after initial craft

[strong forum]

Compared to the original craft

[plush tendon]

generally worth, to save gold, to craft the piece with low mats

then recraft with better mats

[icy bane]

Wish I had something to do with all these damn concentrated infusions zzz

[neon elk]

Ye thats good enough for me , thanks

[plush tendon]

I should be allowed to send to my alts

even at a discount rate

[strong forum]

The item is already infused, just need to smash it up again to add/remove embellishments

[icy bane]

Amen brother

[plush tendon]

Make it happen Ion

[steel canyon]

one last question, 4set or 2set and more itemlevel if i can choose

[plush tendon]

2 set is fairly valuable

[icy bane]

4set for m+

[plush tendon]

4 set not as much

[icy bane]

2 set for raid

[atomic inlet]

sinse ur here
shoulder or the leg tier set

[strong forum]

Shoulders

Easily

[plush tendon]

^

BIg I level shoulders

[steel canyon]

but 4 set even if 2 pieces are lfr ?

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt give up too much I level for 4 set

rather have the stats

[dapper vapor]

Yeah I just got 4 set in the vault today, gotta say I barely notice it

[atomic inlet]

k got it

[plush tendon]

I got it last night: heroic shoulders and 421 hands

[dapper vapor]

and the IP cap bug thing still being there

[icy bane]

Never even seen these shoulders drop before I hate HOV lol

[dapper vapor]

Really fucks its utility at times

[plush tendon]

but im also 414 I level so ya boi is juiced

[icy bane]

That is pretty juiced

[strong forum]

Well yeah it's hard to notice the small things, but I can say my IP to indom ratio doubled with 4pc

[dapper vapor]

Maybe I'm an IP spamming boomer

But I definitely didn't see that much an improvement

[strong forum]

No, you should be spamming IP

[icy bane]

Think I’m at 408 right now

[plush tendon]

thats pretty good

honestly, all the extra looting systems have made gearing super ez

[icy bane]

This 389 cobalt ring bringing my ilvl down

[patent saddle]

The Talent Brutal vitality , it should keep adding 15% of the dmg you are doing to your curent active Ignore pain ? But i never notice it actually adding any more % to my ignore pain

[dapper vapor]

If you cap out IP value it seems to just stop working entirely

[next nova]

hands or shoulders give 4 set. trinket would be upgraded from 382 to 408 not sure what to pick

[strong forum]

It adds until IP cap, then bugs out

[plush tendon]

hands

[strong forum]

Hands

[plush tendon]

421 tier>411 shoulders

[gritty bane]

is there any point where we can get too much haste? what is considered "much" or "too much" haste?

[dapper vapor]

421 Tier Hands 👀

[plush tendon]

40%

[strong forum]

40% before buffs

[patent saddle]

I never notice it adding up even if i dont have max ignore pain up , iv been doing runs where i keep like 30-60k ignore pain and it just doesnt add up to active ignore pain

like should i run then bleed heal talent instead or ?

[gritty bane]

ok thanks, at 37% now so luckily not overcapped

[strong forum]

37% haste is like. Haste on every single itemc

And not very little haste either

That's over 6k haste on your gear wtf

[plush tendon]

we got Barry Allen over here

[dapper vapor]

maybe 37% with ITF

[amber siren]

Im guessing youre in a city with ITF

[strong forum]

Yeah that is very likely the case

[limber python]

does kokia blazehoofs tank buster have some way to avoid part of it or do you have to use a personal/full rage bar everytime. seems like the hardest tank buster of all m+ right now

[strong forum]

Parry and cycle CDs

That's all you can do

[plush tendon]

gotta plan CDs

hope for some parries

[fathom nova]

101% haste is the point you start going back in time you go so fast.

[limber python]

oh i didnt know there was parry

[gritty bane]

ok yeah, i was... 25% without

[plush tendon]

more reasonable

[strong forum]

Yeah that's more reasonable

So you got alot of room to stack more haste

[gritty bane]

makes sense, i have like 4 pieces without haste. trinkets not included

[modern folio]

so does anyone have numbers for how good the armor spikes actually are?

[strong forum]

1%

Just like any other embellishment

[dapper vapor]

Real gamers rock Lariat and Fire Belt

[plush tendon]

the issue with armor spikes is that it doesnt actually put spikes on your gear

[frosty mist]

hi guys, your thought on 395 pants with hast mastery or 392 legs with crit poly, atm I have a blue 363 pants. (I have 382ilvl)

[strong forum]

Lariat isn't any better than other embellishments either

[plush tendon]

so really loses value in looks

[strong forum]

395

[modern folio]

lariat is a very tiny upgrade from 415 CoS neck

[patent saddle]

btw off prot topic , how do you make weak aura show like this above ppl heads what thundering buff they have ?

[dapper vapor]

False, its a flex that you have so much gold you don't have to think about gold to stats efficiency

[frosty mist]

ok, thx 🙂

[strong forum]

Lariat is like 30k

[modern folio]

atleast from what i saw in sims

[plush tendon]

not really a flex anymore

[strong forum]

Not rly a flex

[plush tendon]

it was like week 1

[reef holly]

Pretty sure that's DBM with the affix option turned on

[plush tendon]

Jewlcrafters had Madison Ave. working on their advertisment for Lariat

[patent saddle]

ok so it is in dbm settings ?

[plush tendon]

Companies around the world are impressed by how well they convinced everyone they needed a lariat

[reef holly]

Let me double check

[dapper vapor]

v true

[strong forum]

There are like 3000 thundering weakauras that do that

[dapper vapor]

Trying to convince my guildies that they don't need Lariat 100%

Even over like, getting a weapon

has been a huge uphill struggle

its unreal

[strong forum]

How

Just tell em the facts

[dapper vapor]

WOWHEAD SAYS

end of thought process