protection

[strong forum]

Not realising that buffing 15% by 10% is only a 1.5% increase

[jagged pier]

3min cd proced 4 times

[ionic fern]

I can't remember the time.

[jagged pier]

🤔

[cedar trench]

And it saved your life 0

[ionic fern]

That was the joke. 😦

[jagged pier]

i said this i said it was 1.5% per talent point

[vagrant relic]

hey guys does ur damage as a prot war depend on your shield?

[jagged pier]

where tough is 4% alone

[solid granite]

Just because the people in the Upper echelon of key running have talents nobody else uses doesn't mean it's 'correct' choice. Even World-Class M+ runners can be stupid

[jagged pier]

no one listened

[acoustic island]

Why the discussion still stick to bloodborne? I ask about a lot of talents. 1. Why Uproar? 2. Shall i go battering ram and champions bulwark? 3. IS it better to spend talents in Stormbolt/SHockwave as pugger, or go into DPS. 4. Is it better to play into the fray or heavy reprecusions. Its not only one quetsion

[cedar trench]

No one ever listens

[ionic fern]

1)INot Uproar.
2)Yes
3)Yes
4)HR

You're welcome.

[jagged pier]

it has strength on it so kinda

[craggy pilot]

you only asked about bloodborne

[vagrant relic]

not not directly right?

thanks

[hardy snow]

ive told you these talents like shockwave etc. are personal preference based as well on dungeon and team comp played

[acoustic island]

Why not uproar? What is behind decisions u say?

[ionic fern]

Give me your build.

[cedar trench]

Oh god

[ionic fern]

I'll give you the reasoning.

[tulip harness]

Well, sad to say, the only place you can find the answers to the reasons behind peoples personal talent point choices are directly from the source. I'm not sure why you wouldnt be able to find the answer to why nerf is running a certain talent in his stream tho - He's always very good at responding to questions and chat in between keys when I watch him. Just ask him between keys and im sure he'll let you know why

[jagged pier]

because u drop shockwave for it

dropping a stop for like a tiny bit extra damage is dumb

[strong forum]

The long answer
1)Uproar is more dmg, but you don't get shockwave, therefor you lose utility
2) battering ram increases your dps more than thunderlord, especially in ST it's huge
3) yes
4) HR is alot safer to play, I can't understand how people get by with ITF

[jagged pier]

because their healers are putting in work

i went to check nerf logs

suprise suprise

no keys logged

cool

[obsidian path]

Plus battering ram has more SS reset, I like it

[strong forum]

Nerf is one of people who actually plays HR, alongside Andy

[solid granite]

Maybe the 'trash' doesn't live long enough for HR to matter. Or maybe it does. Again, High-key runners can also make stupid choices.

[high drum]

so can discord posters

[devout parcel]

shuhwarr also plays HR afaik

[jagged pier]

shuh runs the general build in the pins form what i know

[obsidian path]

With HR and the other shield block talent I barely have to think about sb coverage as I have it "too much" to see it drop

[cedar trench]

I like HR, I’ve been testing both lately. HR is a bit more relaxed on the SB front imo hardly any thinking involved

[strong forum]

Ya I think shuh plays HR aswell

But he's been testing around alot

[cedar trench]

His 24 AA was NUTTY

[strong forum]

But he's slowly figuring out the builds

[obsidian path]

HR allows you to think about other things

[strong forum]

It's not just that

[blazing condor]

Shuh runs bloodborne

[strong forum]

HR is also just better on bosses

[weak snow]

I get like 1/2 s gaps in sb when I don’t run hr

[solid granite]

Nerf plays neither Bloodborne, HR nor Tough as nails

[strong forum]

And better on low target counts

[blazing condor]

In most of his top damage parses at least

Sometimes moves a point from bloodborne to spell block for obv reasons

[solid granite]

but he runs Disrupting shout & Bolster

[acoustic island]

This guy is right, they usually combo Bloodborne with double dragon roar tree talents and into the fray

[cedar trench]

this goes back to the point someone made before, even the top players don’t have 100% understanding of the talents just yet. Eg still playing BSV

[acoustic island]

It deals massive dmg

[strong forum]

Nerf is rn in raid build Sharievan

[real ocean]

In which keys is it recommended to riun spell block? TJS and SBG, any others?

[obsidian path]

Talents are also tied to gameplay and personnality

[blazing condor]

Rlp

[cedar trench]

SB in Hov is nice

[solid granite]

Ah, Dathea Progress is suppose

[strong forum]

For dathea

[solid granite]

yeah, makes sense

[cedar trench]

You really can find good uses for SB in most dungs just depends when you DONT want it

[full violet]

Do i replace my 415 Set Chest with a 421 Non-Set Piece Crit/Haste and drop to 2/4, oder just upgrade my Belt Haste/crit with a 421 Belt Crit/Mastery. Actually curious. Sims tell me to take Belt

[strong forum]

I'd take belt unless you wanna craft a belt soon tm

[devout parcel]

do you switch in defender's aegis for forti weeks or its not worth it?

[real ocean]

I havent played it much yet but as I get into like 17-18 I realize that some abilities hit really hard so I guess I'll have to play arround with it a bit

[solid granite]

although i have to admit, for CoS i also run Disrupting shout 👉 👈

[strong forum]

You play Defenders Aegis on tyr weeks

[grave flower]

Sorry. Having a brain fart. HR is short for what?

[strong forum]

On very specific dungeons

[full violet]

Next i wanted to craft a weapon since its only 402

[spring scarab]

Human Resources

[cedar trench]

Yea just look at the spreadsheet and decide if any of the ability’s you can SB are worth the dmg loss

[devout parcel]

honed reflexes

[steady steppe]

U can kite dark claw??

[strong forum]

Yes

[real ocean]

Yea

[strong forum]

It's a very short range attack

[solid granite]

Heavy Repercussions

[jagged pier]

heavy reprocussion

[strong forum]

HR is heavy repercussions, the shield block extension talent

[cedar trench]

It doesn’t go on cd tho iirc it just queues again

[craggy pilot]

lets say you drop Shockwave for Uproar, is Bloodborne still shit?

[strong forum]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[solid granite]

Ja

[cedar trench]

No shockwave

[obsidian path]

In the end it costs 2 points

[strong forum]

^

You want to get to punish

[acoustic island]

And thats something i tried to figure out tbh, how scaling AOE/dots/bleed as talents is worse than no shockwave

Speaking only dmg wise

No utility wise or anything else

[craggy pilot]

uproar probably more dmg

[strong forum]

For absolute raw dmg

[craggy pilot]

bloodborne not

[strong forum]

Enduring alacrity is more damage than bloodborne btw

🙂

And you never pick that talent

[real ocean]

Since I have not played with Spell block much yet, how exactly does the block part of it work. Like I have a % based chance to block the spell or does it block all spells for those 20 secs?

[strong forum]

Bloodborne is strictly garbage

[cedar trench]

We don’t need utility we’re prot warriors

[strong forum]

It's block but for spells

[solid granite]

For Raw Damage, Sonic Boom is probably better than uproar

[jagged pier]

no

[obsidian path]

Sometimes I run both shockwave talents because it goes brrrr

[jagged pier]

its less

[cedar trench]

Don’t think so

[craggy pilot]

bleed is 22% of my dmg

[jagged pier]

its close

but less

[craggy pilot]

20% of that is 4% i guess

[acoustic island]

Could someone please warn this guy? He acts like short d... person, being sarcastic over every discussion/question

Jesus, what annoying person

[real ocean]

So it works off my block chance I have?

[cedar trench]

Wut

[strong forum]

For the cost of 2 points.. Not worth

[strong forum]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

ye, Tough as nails usually 4% for 1 point ye?

[prime sphinx]

whats the problem with BSV?

[obsidian path]

So half value

[cedar trench]

3-5 I’ve seen with nails

[strong forum]

It procs too early

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good egg route for Brood HC?

[strong forum]

It doesn't proc below 30, it procs around 50% currently

[prime sphinx]

30% hp?

[strong forum]

And it procs pre-mitigation

[strong forum]

I have a clip for you

[grave flower]

@craggy pilot

[strong forum]

Where it procs and does absolutely nothing

[craggy pilot]

ty

[obsidian path]

Is the initial placement of the staff's laser random ?

[grave flower]

No. Whoever activated it gets targeted

[solid granite]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/guide/images/27209.jpg?maxWidth=800

i use this @craggy pilot

[obsidian path]

I concistently managed to run it through eggs but I never got the feeling of the initial circle placement

[prime sphinx]

never used it yet just tested on dummy and it seemed to work but obv dummy does baby damage so yeah if its proccing premitigation rip

[cedar trench]

Connect the dots

[limpid anchor]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/BrightTenderDumplingsNomNom-TwQaKCUrYECKPxgY

Best tank ever agrees

[prime sphinx]

meanwhile unspecced tough as nails

[cedar trench]

All hail the holy father of tanking has agreed with me. Take this and write many holy scripts depicting “dps>utility”

[supple oasis]

Noob question, does shield of the hearth count as an embellishment?

[grave flower]

Yes

[solid granite]

It do

[supple oasis]

Thanks!

[solid granite]

has the 'embelishment (2)' line

[grave flower]

I gave in and had a ring made with my 4th spark. Had a 376 blaze ring on and couldn’t ever get a ring to drop. Felt bad.

[strong forum]

Nvm the clip is deleted somehow...

[blazing condor]

Big blizz

[supple oasis]

facepalm I was reading through the pins. Didn't even think to check the game!

[blazing condor]

Silencing truthseekers

[strong forum]

Nvm I found it

https://clips.twitch.tv/TacitGeniusSandpiperTF2John-HtK80lGWP69J7JuQ

Here you can see BSV proccing on the elemental

On the first hit

Despite nerf not even dropping below 50% hp

[solid granite]

Don't worry bro / sis - happens to the best of us 🙂

[strong forum]

Going on cooldown and having done absolutely nothing

[sick sentinel]

i wonder how long it takes blizzard to fix server issues hmmm

[real ocean]

Thats useless lol

[cedar trench]

In a best case scenario if BSV works as intended, it’s still mid right

[steep wraith]

How is HR better than ITF on single target though? You're going to have a few people with you in range to get more than just 2% haste

Simming both ITF is like 10% above HR.

[strong forum]

Ye

[strong forum]

You can't guarantee 5 stacks of ITF

And you'll have natural block downtime

[steep wraith]

Ofc, but it's 10% ahead

You don't need 5 stacks for it to be better

[jagged pier]

of course cause sims have 5 stacks all the time

[cedar trench]

Is that 10% at 5 or

Yea

[strong forum]

In Sims it always assumed 5 stacks

[lyric geode]

12% haste it gives

[strong forum]

In raid, ITF is better yes

[acoustic island]

Ok guys, taking everything i learned here, i made talent tree that i think will be suitable with my options. May i ask you for opinion about it?

[strong forum]

Because you have enough targets

[strong forum]

And you don't need full SB uptime

[cedar trench]

That’s a nice tree there

[hardy snow]

what about 30% bonus to SS?

[strong forum]

In m+ on bosses, you rarely have 5 stacks on bosses and it'll result in block downtime which will absolutely kill you unless you play around it

[cedar trench]

No sarcasm don’t crucify me please

[ionic fern]

HR over ITF and you're golden.

[grave flower]

I play HR in keys and ITF in raid

[strong forum]

You still have 85% uptime on SB

[steep wraith]

You also rarely have 1 stack on bosses

[strong forum]

Depends on comp

On most bosses you'll have 1 stack

Maybe 2

[solid granite]

I'd remove the throw thingy and get pain & gain. It's miniscule, but free healing

[cedar trench]

Wait, wouldn’t you play something else over the HT talent

Yea

[lyric geode]

If you pull adds with boss as well?

[strong forum]

You can't do that

[acoustic island]

You mean Titanic Throw?

[amber siren]

Not all bosses will have adds, if you keep throwing exclusions in to make ITF better then ofc it's going to be better

[cedar trench]

Yea

[amber siren]

The issue is consistency

[dire matrix]

ive had bsv proc all the time

not going low

[solid granite]

Yeah, it puts a cooldown on Throw

which is hot garbage

[strong forum]

Titanic throw is awesome in keys

[acoustic island]

True that

[dire matrix]

i did wonder

[strong forum]

1 throw, hit up to 6 targets

[acoustic island]

Pain & gain instead?

[solid granite]

Imho, yes

[cedar trench]

That or the ss pummel one

Depends what you want

[solid granite]

that or storm bolt

[cedar trench]

Oh

[strong forum]

Belt unless you wanna craft a belt

[solid granite]

extra stun in M+ is also worth

[lyric geode]

Guys, somehow I had Rumbling ruby proced by heroic throw

[rancid iris]

Opened as arms hoping for a whetstone, big toe doesn't seem that bad

[cedar trench]

Stormbolt for sure

[acoustic island]

I already have it

Where is the pummel tallent 😄

[lyric geode]

Is it bugged or intented?

[strong forum]

It procs off of abilities, so yeah

[real ocean]

Isnt whetstone also in prot loot pool?

[cedar trench]

Clock below pain and gain

[high drum]

wiggle ur big toe

[lyric geode]

But it is melee

[solid granite]

Honed reflexes, Storm bolt & pain and gain are all viable in my opinion

[autumn marsh]

Totem of the all master, ruby whelp shell, puzzlebox Which would you guys run?

[lyric geode]

how heroic throw is melee?

[strong forum]

No

[strong forum]

Totem + puzzlebox

Use puzzle box before you pull a pack

= profit

[lyric geode]

Puzzlebox?

[real ocean]

Huh i thought it was when I was in Prot spec and checked the loot table I saw it. Well

[cedar trench]

Puzzle box makes me angry

[rancid iris]

No arms only has 2 handers, prot has tank trinkets and shield/1 h

[acoustic island]

@strong forum Do you think Titanic Throw is worth running over Pain & gain or Honed reflex?

[flint grove]

Totem and decorated here

[strange willow]

how good is the cobalt ring vs 398 Thunderous Downburst Ring ?

[flint grove]

Sim

[lyric geode]

cobalt

[strong forum]

In m+, titanic throw is super good

[strange willow]

well its more for the sheild factor, is it worth the cobalt ring

[autumn marsh]

The cobalt ring does quite a lot of healing

[cedar trench]

Cobalt for damage

[strong forum]

Honed reflex is incredibly minor

[cedar trench]

Shield one is overkill

Imo

[steady steppe]

It only matches damage at 421 ilvl

[autumn marsh]

amazing ty

[strange willow]

thanks for that info!

[acoustic island]

Thanks for info guys!

[autumn marsh]

Im guessing the puzzle box cast is REALLY bad to have during a fight?

[cedar trench]

Does it function like a normal channel?

If yes then yes

[autumn marsh]

I am assuming so

[solid granite]

It's always good to test things. shattering thro on first boss in RLP was good before the nerf to the shield for example

[sick sentinel]

is it alright if i come back here or, i jus want to ask bsically

[strong forum]

Don't think you can block during it

[acoustic island]

I mean it can be good to pull away mobs together

[lyric geode]

@strong forum I thought you trolled when you say puzzle box is good

[strong forum]

But technically speaking it's not half bad of a trinket

[cedar trench]

No box is good it just feels like ass

[strong forum]

It's +30% dmg done and 30% increased chance on critblock for 30seconds

[obsidian path]

You don't have to use it on cooldown tho

[autumn marsh]

Yeah i would use it for initial pull on a boss or big pack

[obsidian path]

Maybe wait for a boss incant or something if you are in the middle of a fight

[strong forum]

It just plays like ass on a tank

[cedar trench]

One sec guys I’m getting my packed lunch out give me 2 secs before the pull

[autumn marsh]

Of cours eill abuse the box much more on my unga bunga spec

[solid granite]

it also plays ass on DPS, but it do be good

[lyric geode]

So, whetstone is meh?

[sick sentinel]

i'd just prefer not to come back if i was guna get banned or muted again upon return so i dunno what case is for that

[solid granite]

Whetstone is amazing

[strong forum]

No?

[sick sentinel]

gave it 24 hours

[strong forum]

Whetstone is still bis

[cedar trench]

What’d you do to get banned? Monka

[strong forum]

He got muted for 15minutes

[craggy pilot]

whetstone better than Firetorch?

[sick sentinel]

well not banned

[strong forum]

No

[autumn marsh]

I am not super lucky with trinkets so far 😦

[lyric geode]

I mean, you only have 2 slots of trinkets

what would you picked

[craggy pilot]

if whetstone 415 and Firetorch HC? 🤔

[cedar trench]

Just get your team to chain die and torch always BIS

[strong forum]

Sim

But probably torch

Very likely torch

[craggy pilot]

i guess Whetstone in AOE, Torch in ST

[sick sentinel]

if someone blue name says don't come back, i might not

[craggy pilot]

so maybe swap for Tyr/Fort

[sick sentinel]

i can respect that

[pseudo garden]

I use whetstone and torch. Defensives are for lames

[cedar trench]

I’d assume torch is a normal channel too though so no block dodge etc

[hazy sluice]

What should I accept to pay for a fresh primal shield 418 max ?

[strong forum]

Whetstone isn't any more aoe than torch is.

[limpid anchor]

@sick sentinel hey

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

[solid granite]

In raid i 'have to run' Whispering Incarnate Icon, cuz the buff is now raid wide 😦

[blazing condor]

Ban evasion is based

[craggy pilot]

maybe i should clear Broodkeeper HC this week then

[limpid anchor]

But whetstone let’s you block

[autumn marsh]

The ALl totem is pretty nice for aoe, can do 6-10% of the damage

[blazing condor]

Or mute evasion ig

[strong forum]

Torch has a 10% chance per dmg instance to splash aoe
Whetstone does 15% more dmg until 5 targets and is split

[sick sentinel]

btw, i have pre-blocked the person who just @'d me and dm'd them

y

[strong forum]

Torch is fire dmg, whetstone is phys dmg therefor reduced by 30%

Torch has mainstat, whetstone has mastery

[pseudo garden]

I don't raid anymore but the icon would be really nice I imagine. The totem looks cool I'd like to try it

[flint cliff]

How strong is the 4set bonus. Is it worth to break it for 415 nonset hands vs 395 tier hands?

[strong forum]

Yes

[lone eagle]

So just double checking, Warr doesn't have any damage amps to external damage sources (trinkets, rings etc) right?

[strong forum]

In m+

[strong forum]

Only battle-stance

[jagged pier]

icon is trash unless the rest of the m+ group have it

[pseudo garden]

The first raid of an expac with actually cool trinkets I'm kinda shocked

[lone eagle]

Recently discovered that Rage of the Sleeper actually amps damage like WoO does

[jagged pier]

its 500 vers

all totem is far better

[strong forum]

In aoe*

[limpid anchor]

It’s funny that you still clicked on the message

[high drum]

icon is great for tyr bosses imo

[jagged pier]

i thought we were talking m+ no?

[strong forum]

Well yeah

[lyric geode]

I feel irideous fragment will be bis when Halls of Infusion gets live on m+

[strong forum]

De-stacks super fast for us

[solid granite]

M+ dream trinkets - for me - are Dathea trinket & Whetstone

[strong forum]

Not worth

[pseudo garden]

How much damage does your all totem do in a key you think. Maybe I can pug a heroic

[autumn marsh]

Halls of infusion sounds awful on M+

[limpid anchor]

Like 3-4% of my overall

[high drum]

all totem does a lot more than just damage on details

[strong forum]

2-3.5% and thats not even counting the extra effects

[cedar trench]

Depends 3-4

[autumn marsh]

Its a great trinket especially in AOE

[nimble laurel]

Whetstone is doing 7-11%

[pseudo garden]

I got torch from my heroic box I was super surprised 🤣

[cedar trench]

11%?

What

[strong forum]

You do low dmg then if it does that much

[autumn marsh]

BUt you get additional effects along with the damage

[pseudo garden]

Whetstone is poopy mastery tho:(

[strong forum]

For me whetstone is ~5%

[jagged pier]

mastery is not bad

[cedar trench]

All stats are yummy just some are more yummy

[lyric geode]

If only reforged existed

[solid granite]

Mastery is %AP & crit block chance

aint that bad

[sick sentinel]

👋 sup bro?

[pseudo garden]

I'm just happy we seem to have a good variety of trinkets in season 1. Now if only we could gear swap like legion keys

[sick sentinel]

what would you like from me, anything particular? must want my attention i guess, i got 2 @'s just now

[obsidian path]

You can recraft

[cedar trench]

more drama?

Nah old reforge was Pog

Bring that back

[jolly wasp]

Reforge was goated if u think otherwise you're objectively wrong kekw

[obsidian path]

@sick sentinel I have no idea who you are and what you done but all I have seen untill now is you trying to get attention. Can you please at least try to talk about warrior things ?

[cedar trench]

Imagine the sim times on droptomizer if we had reforging

[solid granite]

It made sense when %hit & %expertise were a thing. Today, i think it would be kinda 'boring' if every item would become 'BiS' for everyone

[jolly wasp]

Btw Is the 4p worth losing ilvl on tier slots? Doesnt look like it to me

[obsidian path]

You'd be limited to one sim a day

[solid granite]

Yes

Worth it

[autumn marsh]

The electricivty cost of the sims would probably eclipse crypto mining

[lyric geode]

recraft what?

[obsidian path]

Your crafted items 🤷‍♂️

With missives

[cedar trench]

Yea I agree to an extent, would take the fun of getting a well started item. But would also be Pog to be full kitted out in BIS. Wouldn’t play out well if they did bring it back

[real ocean]

+1

[spring scarab]

Battle scarred veteran any good? I kinda wanna use it

[sick sentinel]

i just attempting to see if things can be worked out some nothing burger drama happened would like to resolve

[cedar trench]

No

Burn it

In fire

[strong forum]

It's bugged and procs already at 50-60% hp

Use it if you want, but it's hardly useful

[jolly wasp]

They run it in very high keys otherwise nah

[pseudo garden]

It does....Ima just untalented that real quick🤣

[lyric geode]

Still bugggeD???

[strong forum]

Yes

[obsidian path]

I feel like we got some way of choosing our stats, reforge isn't that necessary right now

[lyric geode]

IT was bugged since Pre-patch

[cedar trench]

Small Indy company

[autumn marsh]

Gonna have to use my spark on a weapon this week

[spring scarab]

Okay thanks fuck that then

[solid granite]

Even the highest key runners opt for using low-ilvl Tier set items over max ilvl just for the 4pc

[sick sentinel]

and like, go check my recent chat logs which are public, i've been discussing protection warrior things here yesterday

[strong forum]

I was using 382 gloves over 405 to get 4pc for keys

It is a good tierset

[cedar trench]

I can’t wait for my 4pc next week

Non raiding Andy feels bad man

[strong forum]

And even rn im dropping combined 26ilvl on 2 pieces to run 4pc

[lyric geode]

It is just 5% leech to be fair

[strong forum]

It's more than that

[solid granite]

Catalyst comes out on the 25, so 2 weeks

[lyric geode]

How?

[strong forum]

Because it enables brutal vitality

It applies ignore pain

[craggy pilot]

in COS which miniboss is hardest?

[real ocean]

Same man, running arround with 2pc for 2 weeks now. Not a single drop when I pugged normal or HC

[craggy pilot]

if you get BS trap

[strong forum]

Its technically 20% absorb leech

[cedar trench]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/inspiration-catalyst-dragonflight

[jolly wasp]

Oh shiet ok then yea

[solid granite]

Probably the caster one, cuz the AoE Dot Slaps

[candid reef]

Hello people! Should i aim for 4p or is 2p enough? Im doing both raiding and m+ but mostly m+

[strong forum]

4pc for m+

In raid it doesn't matter much

[candid reef]

got really lucky today in the vault too

[rugged mural]

I want to take Speed enchant on boots. Am I messing up not doing Stamina instead?

[autumn marsh]

in a couple weeks we will all be able to actually print tier again which will really help

[solid granite]

Btw Nome - 'weird' question probably - does the 4pc work with 'any' damage or does it have to be ability damage?

[sick sentinel]

no

[candid reef]

but yeah so which tier piece should i skip? '

[strong forum]

I also use speed enchant

[cedar trench]

Zoom zoom is always good

[sick sentinel]

that is fine to use speed boots

[rugged mural]

Thank you!

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-meme-kid-gif-14031709

[strong forum]

I've not tested if it works off of trinkets, but I full expect it only to work with ability dmg

[solid granite]

sadge

[strong forum]

Getting 0.1% more stamina won't make or break anything

But getting like 5% extra speed can change things

Ultimately both enchants are whatever

[solid granite]

i mean, max ilvl whetstone for the 4pc would probably a bit much :p

[gusty crane]

Can anyone explain to me how valuable the 4set bonus is 😐

[strong forum]

It applies ignore pain, which then enables brutal vitality

[gusty crane]

I get that it is valuable, but in terms of going down 10 ilvls on two pieces?

[lyric geode]

Lol, I didn’t realize it automatically gives ignore pain without wasting rage for IP

[strong forum]

Yes it's worth to drop ilvl for it

It's worth dropping like 60ilvl combined

To get 4pc

[cedar trench]

Remove IP from bars 6head

[gusty crane]

okay, thank you

[digital frigate]

is the block embelishment or the ferocity embellishment better?

[strong forum]

Both do the same damage

[digital frigate]

I have to replace one for my lariat

[solid granite]

both are equal

[sterile bough]

time to get socket for the 3rd time

[digital frigate]

Oh! ty for clarifying you two

[strong forum]

:squint:

[cedar trench]

That’s so unfortunate

[eager phoenix]

421 whetstone mang, what you on about

[strong forum]

Is that like a humble brag or smth

Cuz it smells like it

[cedar trench]

Nah that’s a horrible vault

[sick sentinel]

it sure s

[cedar trench]

Just delete toon and remake

[solid granite]

that ain't even humble

[cedar trench]

Character is cursed

[strong forum]

LOL

[eager phoenix]

keksip

[strong forum]

That's so funny actually

[sick sentinel]

also, apologies if not allowed? srry?

[lyric geode]

Yogi, when we will see your logs?

[strong forum]

Calm down there with the self pity, you didn't break any rules

[cedar trench]

Ooh logs

Give us logs

[strong forum]

Just keep it down with the monologuing from time to time

There are like 3000-5000 people lurking in here

Every day

[fathom nova]

People seem to really be sleeping on tertiary stats. My warrior for example is pretty much full speed enchants and I've got like a 10-15% movement speed which feels amazing for dodging things. Meanwhile, I've got a mix of Leech and Speed on my other tanks and it really helps smooth out the damage they take. I know the wowhead guide says to go for leech on warrior but like, why? Unless you're running keys in the high teens or 20s, you're not taking enough damage to justify more than the 10% baseline leech and 5-10% movement speed is going to be way better for survivability.

[cedar trench]

Hello lurkers 👉🏼👈🏼

[blazing condor]

[solid granite]

❤️ to the lurkers

[strong forum]

Leech keeps us up in larger pulls alot more than any other tertiary stat

[civic sand]

Broodkeeper Ring good with belt ?

I got this in my vault 418

[sick sentinel]

i legit don't even think i i have loggerhead installed

[cedar trench]

Tertiary stats are Pog, I’m sitting at like 24% leech it’s great

[strong forum]

Imagine, doing 200k dps, having 20% leech. That means you heal for 40k hps JUST from leech

[lyric geode]

Also avoidance keeps up with pulse shit from SBG

[sick sentinel]

which auto starts and completes mythic + logs for keystones

[toxic comet]

Hey, how good is lariat as a prot warrior?

Should i craft it? or go for something else?

[strong forum]

Pulse mechanics aren't designed to be dangerous to tanks, moreso to dps

[strong forum]

A small explanation for that is in the pins

[lyric geode]

More like avoidance is for dds I think.

[solid granite]

All my tertiaries are Leech rn, cuz i'm either cursed or blessed with constantly getting items with leech

[sick sentinel]

everytime i zone in to key and key inserted, it makes a new log, but i still have to follow the same stuff

[strong forum]

Yes

[lyric geode]

Is leech useful for dds as well?

[strong forum]

Not as much

Avoidance is better for dps

Leech is better for tanks and raid healers

[rough egret]

Would be pog if it shows in dps meters as lifesteal

[solid granite]

Unless you hit DH leech numbers, Leech ain't that good for DPS

[edgy spear]

Leech doesn't provide dmg - only self heal

[lyric geode]

But you can

[strong forum]

Yeah, the thing with leech is.
You need alot of it to be really good

[edgy spear]

5% leech means a 1k hit becomes 50 healing

[cedar trench]

That’s good math

[lyric geode]

Bravo!!!

[strong forum]

Alot of people don't visualise how % work

So yes it's a good example

They don't actually put thought into it, so giving a direct example helps

[solid granite]

you can't - there aren't enough equipment slots to hit those leech numbers

[strong forum]

Dh gets 25% leech iirc during meta

[lyric geode]

Now please explain FFT

[strong forum]

Nobody can reach that besides maybe pwar

[lyric geode]

With tons of leech gear

[cedar trench]

I’m 1% shy of that

Sadge

[edgy spear]

No clue what FFT is.

[rough egret]

Im at sweet 16

[lyric geode]

Fast Fourier Transformation

[solid granite]

My leech is of legal age - 18

[cedar trench]

[icy bane]

Trolling my m+ groups with storm eaters boon

[cedar trench]

guys I only died because you didn’t stun, not because I was rooted for 10 seconds

[solid granite]

low-key jelly

[edgy spear]

Boon dmg > sanguine healing

my groups just dont get it

[cedar trench]

Sanguine is cracked tho

Best healer I’ve played with

For sure

[sick sentinel]

sanguine is easy unless casters and no dk

[lyric geode]

🧑‍⚖️

[solid granite]

pre-kiting

[cedar trench]

joke hard

[sick sentinel]

exactly, you've heard of hold W, well, now you hold S.... for... sanguine.....

[rough egret]

It moved my lips

[sick sentinel]

and Shield blocking

[cedar trench]

hold s through sanguine

[solid granite]

frost mage & sanguine is hard mode tho

[slim dove]

they could just, not play frost

[lyric geode]

To be honest clap is quite painful in sanguine as well

[cedar trench]

Conflict and strife with sanguine

[solid granite]

honest clap is what i do when my bf is a jerk

[sick sentinel]

frost mage made necrotic literal nothing affix, if blizzard ever wants to add the "hard"affixes back in seperate qeue for sweaty boys, i'd be down for it if theres higher ilvl

[cedar trench]

[solid granite]

Necrotic is / was just a bad design choice. Glad it's gone

[lyric geode]

I am not glad.

[sick sentinel]

way back bfa i did WCM something or other, invited frost mage, don't think i got a single stack above 10 of necrotic

[buoyant ore]

Anyone experienced Ruby life pools second boss damage this week? Last week i tanked +17, second boss didnt hurt too much, today on +15 he hurt like a mother…

[cedar trench]

What were ur healers

[lyric geode]

It made this week quite easy to find a group

[sick sentinel]

because the frost mage cc was that much oprressive i can just walk away from trash to reset stack

[autumn marsh]

I thought they nerfed tha tboss this week?

[slim dove]

last week was tyr and the dot did 25% more damage.

your tripping.

[buoyant ore]

I had dracthyr healer this week, just hurt alot om this 15

[slim dove]

probably good healer last week and garbo today.

[hardy snow]

maybe something went wrong and they actually buffed it

[cedar trench]

You probably had evoker cleansing ur debuff last week

Oh

[lyric geode]

With so little tanks in sight, groups literally took any tank they could. In shadowlands was my afflix given that we weren’t meta.

[cedar trench]

You tripping then

[buoyant ore]

Yeah, maybe late cleanse / bad heal

[ionic roost]

It wasn't that bad, it was just paired with bad affixes, Spiteful would extend combat not letting it drop, and raging is just a no brainer.

[buoyant ore]

As long as anyone else havent experienced the same i guess healers at fault 😂

[sick sentinel]

spiteful greivous fort is a bit evil combination

hell for all melee

[cedar trench]

Blame healer and move on, best philosophy

[plush tendon]

I didnt think necrotic was bad most of the time after all the nerfs.... my issue with it was that there would be certain mobs you just couldnt CC or get away from to reset or mobs that stacked it way to fast

[lyric geode]

Necrotic was amazing. It reduced the pool of tanks so much.

[solid granite]

Yet, the player numbers & numbers of keys done always dropped to their lowest when there was a necrotic week.

[cedar trench]

Bring back overflowing

[sweet summit]

violence

[autumn marsh]

I mean its not sanguine, which we can all be thankful for

[edgy spear]

That shit was just trolling

[cedar trench]

Hpal crits and ur just in heal shield purgatory

[lyric geode]

I miss the teeming, skittish and fortified weeks

[cedar trench]

Woopsy LOH no healing for you for the next 15 years

[edgy spear]

iirc resto druids had it easy since hots just ping ponged it on and off and it didnt matter but anything with chunky heals just got fucked

[solid granite]

Old affixes always put pressure on only two out of 5 people - tank and heal

[lyric geode]

Teeming, bolstering, fortified ****

[sick sentinel]

dear good lord no do i ever not miss routing for teeming

[cedar trench]

“HELLO TANK? SKITTISH?!” my dps pressing aoe cds before I even hit the pack

[lyric geode]

Nah I just laugh my ass off when dds die

Gotcha bitch

[sick sentinel]

every key is skittish with yogi, or has potential to be

healer died to melee on 11 rlp yesterday

[grave flower]

I didn’t play end of SL. Can someone explain spiteful to me and how it impacts tanks. Haven’t run a key this week

[icy canopy]

well which two of the three should I use?

[high drum]

no & it doesnt

[cedar trench]

The scary demon men slap

[high drum]

not our problem

[cedar trench]

Your dps

[grave flower]

Ok awesome

[finite bolt]

is there spell reflect spreadsheet?

[amber siren]

Mobs die, they drop a spirit that fixates DPS/healers. You can help out by stunning or moving mobs away from the spirits.

[lyric geode]

I love spiteful as well

[cedar trench]

To be fair, if the dps die they can target you

[cedar trench]

[amber siren]

True

[reef holly]

Are you tanks chasing after dps to clear thundering affix??

[grave flower]

How often are these things spawning? Like should I not pull the whole plant room in AA now?

[cedar trench]

No

[lyric geode]

When mob dies

But not all mobs do spawn spite

Most

[cedar trench]

Only elites iirc

Or whatever bursting

[amber siren]

Any mob that can drop sanguine can drop spite, so everything except small adds like lashers

[sick sentinel]

dammmnnn awakened orders have crashed in price to almost 1k gold now,

[amber siren]

And bosses

[sick sentinel]

bought some for 3k each few week ago

[lyric geode]

Imagine being holy pala this week

[cedar trench]

No I let them come to me to clear or leap last second or get stunned and put sad faces in party chat

[lyric geode]

Kewk laughing my ass off

[raw venture]

hi guys, maybe a stupid question, which one would you recommend, 418 frostfire belt or 418 crafted belt with better stats?

[lyric geode]

Frostbelt

[solid granite]

i think explosive, the new bolstering & volcanic are the best 'designed' affixes - and Blizzard putting Grievous & bursting into week 2 was just uncalled for / a really shitty choice

[reef holly]

I’ve been stunned so many times in my recent keys… I understand it’s a group mechanic but come dps just run toward me

[lyric geode]

Explosive gives the illusion that popping orbs is tank’s job

[real ocean]

The amount of times i had people not clear marks, panic and run into tank frontal is kinda cringe

[grave flower]

Frostfire if you expect to get the rings. I still haven’t crafted it yet because I won’t get rings anytime soon

[cedar trench]

Storming is S+++ change my mind

[sick sentinel]

thundering is very good as well, but it makes me wish i sent my tank back to alliance human for every man

[echo bramble]

Pretty sure frostfire is great without the rings as well

[spring scarab]

Bursting made me very sad especially when it was my first time doing mythics

[cedar trench]

Just dwarf it

4hed

[solid granite]

It is a weird design tho, because if you have clear with the tank, you gotta know what mob does & doesn't do frontals. Now DPS need to know Tank shit as well.

[lyric elm]

just had an amazing adventure with a frost dk, bm hunter and fire mage. i wondered why things didnt die lol

[plush tendon]

Frostfire is equal to the other embellishments on its own

its a VERY good embellishment, made better if you have rings from raid

[sick sentinel]

BFA bolstering/ bursting (bolster works here too)

[cedar trench]

Tanks should NEVER be able to get red debuff

[sick sentinel]

[cedar trench]

And then I like thundering lol

[plush tendon]

Hot, but correct, take

[lyric elm]

trial by fire

[real ocean]

Thats why i have a WA that shouts frontal on me

[lyric geode]

It isn’t your job to go to others to remove debuff.

[digital frigate]

My strategy haha

[cerulean parcel]

Hey is there are diffrence btween the Primal molten mace and the primal molten sword ?

[cedar trench]

Regardless of it it is my job or not.

[plush tendon]

ones a mace, the other is a sword

[lyric elm]

cosmetic

[plush tendon]

sword>mace

personally

[reef holly]

That’s my thought- but my latest runs prove otherwise

[solid granite]

Bring back BFA +10 affixes, and i'll be the happiest girl alive. But sadly, we only get poop now

[lyric geode]

Eh?

[plush tendon]

If you mean Season 2 and 4 sure

[lyric elm]

Bolstering

[cedar trench]

Beguiling says hello

[plush tendon]

but if you talking bout Gahunnis and whatever Azshara had.... please no

[spring scarab]

That's been all of end game dragonflight for me tbh

[cedar trench]

Infested also says hello

[sick sentinel]

plz no, season 1 bfa affix

[solid granite]

Bolstering is not a +10 affix

[sick sentinel]

the 2 maggots jump out of a body and you have to kill them

[lyric elm]

this is the most difficult wow has ever been hehe

[sick sentinel]

or they infest again

[lyric geode]

Never played bfa

Never bothered to learn a mid expansion

[digital frigate]

if you fornicate with cactus

[lyric elm]

oh you mean affix ok

[sick sentinel]

i played infested and that was a hell of a time

[digital frigate]

its same thing as playing bfa

[cedar trench]

Awakening was by far the best 10+ affix

No discussion

[lyric geode]

Eh?

[plush tendon]

I miss Wo

and Ur

[lyric geode]

What does they give?

[amber siren]

portal placement with pugs was always an interesting time

[sick sentinel]

reaping

reaping was amazing

[real ocean]

Yea feel the same. I hate it even more when I run after some idiot cause I wanna clear and he runs away cause I have 10 mobs with me and he is scarred. Than I die cause stun and we wipe

[lyric geode]

Me too buddy

[cedar trench]

Reaping was sick but awakening was so cool

[plush tendon]

Cause it gave healers mana

[cedar trench]

Just skipping whatever you wanted

[plush tendon]

and Im sick of playing with non Evoker healers and hearing 'hold on, need to drink'

[real ocean]

Awakening was amazing

[lyric elm]

life is hard.. https://i.imgur.com/eDTakrO.png

[spring scarab]

I started 2 months ago, leveling was so nice and fun

[solid granite]

reaping was amazing

[lyric geode]

I miss prideful

[sick sentinel]

beguiling sucked

[spring scarab]

Now I have to sweat

[sick sentinel]

or it could

[lyric elm]

you'll learn a lot 😄

[plush tendon]

Reaping was fun.... for some classes

and not others

[cedar trench]

Reaping was only cool because our warrior ook Ook brain likes big numbers lol

[lyric geode]

I mean yes, pulling one add and it was rip key.

But the damage increase is nice

[obsidian path]

Prideful was great except for the exact count on mobs

[rancid wolf]

quick question - LFR hands to complete tier set 2p bonus or https://www.wowhead.com/item=195506/diamond-etched-gauntlets ilvl 402?

tier bonus takes priority over ilvl?

[weak snow]

keep both and cata the 402 in 2 weeks?

[solid granite]

prideful was great, because you could skip it

[lyric geode]

LFR and bite your pride

[plush tendon]

for 2 piece, you would give that I level up

[cedar trench]

Leaving trails of prideful was good lol

[plush tendon]

2 piece is worth 4% damage and 4% Dr

[rancid wolf]

thanks

[cedar trench]

Or spawning 20 pridefuls on a depleted key

[plush tendon]

which is more then the I level difference between those gloves

[lyric geode]

The season 2 on SL was so meh

[plush tendon]

are you dissin Ur and Wo

[cedar trench]

Yes

[plush tendon]

[cedar trench]

They suck

[lyric geode]

This is season 3

[lyric geode]

Season 3

[plush tendon]

what was season 2?

[lyric geode]

Season 2 was the powers

[solid granite]

Affixes you 'can' skip are/were good imho.

[plush tendon]

Oh, Soggydon

and friends

[cedar trench]

Suggon

[lyric geode]

Eh

[solid granite]

don't

[plush tendon]

debuffs at end if you didnt kill

[lyric geode]

Can’t skip in high keys

[cedar trench]

You could

[plush tendon]

there were like two you could skip

[cedar trench]

That’s where prideful skips came from lmao

[lyric geode]

I mean you could some. But not all

[cedar trench]

Ohhhhh soggy

[ruby lion]

what does IP stands for?

[cedar trench]

Ignore pain

[lyric geode]

Mmmm

[cedar trench]

Skipping the slow guy in NW was actually a time save

[solid granite]

maybe write more than just 'eh'..

[lyric geode]

Bruh

[plush tendon]

fam

[cedar trench]

My g

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/touchdown-bruh-really-gif-12484222

[cedar trench]

If we’re going underground next season

What’s the affix gonna be

[solid granite]

hopefully it ain't forced, like the current one*

[cedar trench]

Sludgefist rocks everywhere

God plz no

[obsidian path]

Earth's Grasp : you deal less damage if you stand still but take less damage

[lyric geode]

I would still pick prideful

[short elk]

Is storming considered hard? Or is that one of the easier ones? This is my first season doing m+ just curious

[cedar trench]

Storming isn’t hard

It’s just annoying as heck

[obsidian path]

Visual suck

[lyric geode]

Literally you delete warlocks. I agree

[solid granite]

yeah, meant thundering

brain fart

[strong forum]

Rumbling -
Randomly spots will appear on the floor that you have to soak, they slow you for 5seconds afterwards. If you fail to soak you take groupwide dmg for each puddle. If you soak successfully you get a +5% dmg done and 5% dmg reduction applied for each puddle

[modern brook]

its one of the easier ones

[cedar trench]

Where was my affix idea from yesterday

[weary saddle]

my first exp with spiteful. interesting my protwar can taunt the spiteful, but generating aggro without taunt seems slow

[short elk]

I meant thundering - compared to others

[strong forum]

You can't taunt spiteful

They fixate on dps and healer

[modern brook]

I mean you _ can_ it doesnt do anything tho

[weary saddle]

i can

[lyric geode]

Imagine this with Hyrja where puddles goes outside bubble.

[cedar trench]

"Earth pillars spawn occasionally that last 30 seconds and pulse AOE damage, killing these pillars will cause the remaining timer to pulse damage on enemies"

[strong forum]

They won't attack you, they literally exclusively attack dps and healer

[weary saddle]

i taunt it and the nameplate changes color to show on me

[modern brook]

ok sorry

[long bough]

bro u cant taunt them

they fixate

[weary saddle]

but the nameplate changes color when i taunt

[obsidian path]

I got a good one : Earth Spikes
Spikes "randomly" appear on your screen, fucking up your camera. You now take all the swirlies because you can't see shit

[modern brook]

I mean you can it doesnt do aynthing except change your name plate colors tho

[weary saddle]

hmm

[strong forum]

It's literally anti-melee affix

You can't help but intervene a melee dps, kill them and stun them

That's all you can do

[cedar trench]

“Rocks fall from the sky that instantly kill moonkins” there we go

Perfect affix

[ocean bloom]

yeah most of the time you CC and run 🙂 unless you need to reset combaty

[weary saddle]

ic ok

[solid granite]

I hope it's some earth elemental affix. They taunt players every 2 seconds and force them to attack the earth elemental.

[ionic roost]

"Improve, Adapt, Overcome"
-every 45 seconds you swap control of an allies character. Gain a 30% damage/healing buff when not in control of your own character

[weary saddle]

spiteful seems easy except in the tightest spaces...

[cedar trench]

Dps becoming the tank

Aka afk till it ends

[solid granite]

Or all mobs are replaced with Pugs & cute critters with tiny hitboxes

[long bough]

spiteful is aids

[left bloom]

what do. got 2 set, so chest is 3p, but the other chest is higher ilvl and can be turned into tier soon™ - ring is dank I guess, and boots is 30ilvl+

[lyric geode]

I mean if we try to be a nightmarish situation, I would suggest Death upbringer, you have to deal damage to your soul of yours. If you kill it, you get 20% buff. If not, you die. So I can relax while healers die all the time.

[obsidian path]

You now control your ret pal from your friend but you discover that he doesn't use keybinds

[modern brook]

when do you raid

[lyric geode]

One thing, you can only target your soul. Not others.

[left bloom]

never

[spring scarab]

Agreed

[strong forum]

421 chest

[cedar trench]

Play the long game, pick what will go well in the long run

[strong forum]

Catalyst starts in 1 or 2 weeks

[astral crystal]

ring is good, but catalyst soon

[long bough]

23rd

[obsidian path]

I would swap s and w just to fuck with people before starting the dungeon

[astral crystal]

and if you raid you're gonna get the ring eventually

[solid granite]

25.01 in EU iirc

[strong forum]

50% say 25th
50% say 18th...

[cedar trench]

There’s sources saying 17/17 and 24/25

[strong forum]

So I just say both

[sick sentinel]

what im hearing about catalyst is 25th or 28th is dates that i seem to recall

[strong forum]

[cedar trench]

He said she said at this point

It comes soon

[solid granite]

it'll happen, that's all that matters

[left bloom]

chest it is, who wants absorb from ring anyway, thats the healers job

[pine lotus]

Do you put your meta gem in lariat or another slot?

[sweet summit]

based

[sick sentinel]

it'll happen when it happen, if it happens

[strong forum]

Doenst matter where

[cedar trench]

Meta gem?

[long bough]

its datamined to be 23rd

[strong forum]

Aslong as you pick 1

[lyric geode]

My only slight complain about season 2, is that we won’t see any cobalt ring.

[long bough]

but w/e

[cedar trench]

Source

[ionic roost]

Idk it's 100% the 23rd, Blizzard even said so

[lyric geode]

Make it happen to be upgradable

[strong forum]

I've got a long list of complaints about s2 already loleh

[long bough]

blizzardwatch.com

[solid granite]

the meta gem hasn't an associated element, so it ain't proc anything iirc

[cedar trench]

Correct

[strong forum]

It does

[modern brook]

😦 how

[strong forum]

And lariat procs from any gem

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/inspiration-catalyst-dragonflight
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/inspiration-catalyst-guide-for-dragonflight

[strong forum]

Not just the ones in the necklace

[dense ledge]

just went wild reading up on stuff with the search option, thanks for all the info here legends

[lyric geode]

It is only natural to complain given we are in this channel.

[pine lotus]

does the lariat effect not boost it more?, in comparison to another slot

[strong forum]

No

[pine lotus]

kk ty

[strong forum]

Have you seen the dungeons in the dungeon pool?

[vapid moss]

Yesterday I joined a M10, group was ready and we began the timer. First pull I shield charge in and the resto shaman says “nah” “I don’t like your new approach to tanking” and leaves the run…. Wtf just happened

[lyric geode]

Kewk

[cedar trench]

You charged wrong obviously

[modern brook]

not the non-df ones

[lyric geode]

You should ask the group before pull

[sick sentinel]

just imnagine they bring back undersuck to s2/3/4

[lyric geode]

And ready check in every pull.

[modern brook]

honestly been too busy flower pickin to care about end game content

[cedar trench]

Weeb

[vapid moss]

@lyric geode I did a ready check before starting the timer

[astral crystal]

they said no BFA dungees yet

[obsidian path]

Well, you should charge then shield charge

[reef holly]

Anyone have a good ToJS mythic build I can look at?

[high drum]

no, it doesnt

[astral crystal]

maw of souls coming for s2 tho

[high drum]

if you wear just primal gem you get no procs

i tested that

[strong forum]

Bruh

Yes

It doesn't proc primal gems

[spring scarab]

This hit me, my friends always message me to do mythics and I just wanna gather my herbs

[cedar trench]

Oh no not the shield charge conversation again

[lyric geode]

I am happy that they make Court of Stars back. The best dungeon ever in the best place ever ( Suramar)

[sick sentinel]

what is maw of souls from? i don't recall this dungeon off hand

[lyric geode]

Ahhh

[strong forum]

But I mean it procs from any socket you have on your gear, not just the necklace sockets

[astral crystal]

legion

[high drum]

https://i.imgur.com/9QNQNWk.png

thought u meant the primal one from this myb

[lyric geode]

It feels easy, but it is not

[astral bane]

so what do you guys think are the top spark of ingenuity items? After Elemental Lariats of course

[strong forum]

I meant that it has an associated element, but it can't proc mainstat

[high drum]

oh it cant proc air either

[eternal atlas]

hey guys, what do you think? Granyth's Enduring Scale (415) or Pauldrons of the all-father (415)? Atm i'm using blazebinder (392) and rumbling ruby(402).

[acoustic island]

Any predictions on Season 2 Mythic+ dungeons? 🙂

[high drum]

it doesnt count at all for the larry procs

[sick sentinel]

i think i did it on time walking once or twice maybe?

[strong forum]

Pauldrons

[lyric geode]

I know that I would be flamed to death but I want back arcway with Court of stars

[amber siren]

Arcway is fucking awful

[lyric geode]

The last boss is quite weird

[sick sentinel]

the boat part of it on video looks familiar

[viral oracle]

What do you think about Seal of Diurna's Chosen on a protW?

[solid granite]

that's what i meant

[obsidian path]

I like cos

[cedar trench]

Arcway with blizs current tuning Batton wouldn’t be so bad

[high drum]

if you wear full fire (70 haste 33 crit) gems and 1 str/haste gem, you will only get crit procs

[lyric geode]

It was the best

Quite challenging bosses

[high drum]

because the str/haste gem does not count as air for larry procs

but it does for crafting it

[lyric geode]

Route that changes

[eternal atlas]

thanks mate

[cedar trench]

Imagine not knowing arcway like the back of your hand

[lyric geode]

And the fact that it gave gear that procs with Court of stars

[solid granite]

inb4 Seat comes back 😄

[cedar trench]

No

Never

[lyric geode]

It basically feels the same, but it is quite a good change to get to other route

[chrome lance]

he yguys, is my ST really low? is it due to talent build
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gvhvBzNwJazNd3ciBqSNog

[acoustic island]

I think BFA - Freehold, Atal Dazar, WoD - Slagmines, Legion - Maw of souls

[astral crystal]

freehold coming back would be goated

[eternal atlas]

Freehold would be awesome

[lyric geode]

Maw feels deceptionally easy

[autumn marsh]

Should make mythic+ deadmines

[solid granite]

i don't think Freehold & AD will come back anytime soon

[deft mortar]

man ngl

[autumn marsh]

really troll the m+ crowd

[astral crystal]

ya they said no BFA dungeons yet

[deft mortar]

High armor and good block is fantastic

[solid granite]

King's rest however

[deft mortar]

so much joy

[astral crystal]

eye of azshara would be an ok dungeon to bring back

[cedar trench]

Auchen from wod as m+

[lyric geode]

True

[solid granite]

don't give em any ideas please

[lyric geode]

Btw, Darkhearth Thicket?

[obsidian path]

I want a Forge of Souls

[astral crystal]

too much magic dmg

[obsidian path]

Idk why

[cedar trench]

I think everbloom but give us the wall skip back

[lyric geode]

-So says the shadow of Xavius

[obsidian path]

I loved that dungeon

[acoustic island]

God please no everbloom

😦

[deft mortar]

pls no everbloom yes

[astral crystal]

everbloom is practically guaranteed

[solid granite]

Vault of the Wardens is my bet

[acoustic island]

Why?

[obsidian path]

nopleasenogodno not Everbloom

[deft mortar]

i hate that dung

[obsidian path]

I hated those stupid skips n shit

[jagged pier]

please god no

[acoustic island]

Skyreach maybe? Or too less trash?

[jagged pier]

i dont want to farm it again

[obsidian path]

Just gimme a dungeon you can walk in

[acoustic island]

UBRS too maybe

[cedar trench]

If they make me walk around the long way in everbloom I’ll cosplay Kurt Cobain

[amber siren]

vault of the wardens last boss was always fun to watch

[deft mortar]

Drop us Stormwind Stockades Mythic+and call it a day

New SBG

[sterile bough]

low ilvl

[solid granite]

VotW & BRH are my Legion bet

[obsidian path]

Forge of Souls, I want that one

[sterile bough]

not so good talent

[cedar trench]

VOTW with gliders was GOATED

[sterile bough]

dps wise

[deft mortar]

BRH wont be as hard with these ez affixes

[obsidian path]

Or Trial of Crusader

[hardy snow]

who said we will have two legion dungeons? They can do something else as well

[cedar trench]

m+ with gliders was just sick

[deft mortar]

Remember when the stupid bats inBRH applied necrotic or popped explosive T^T

[jagged pier]

thats not a ST build

[sterile bough]

upper karazan we go back

[cedar trench]

They will GUT BRH if they bring it back

[acoustic island]

BRH was fun tho

[deft mortar]

they gutted explosive and necrotic so

BRH is ok

[jagged pier]

of course that dungeon build

not a ST build

[lyric geode]

Black rook hold?

[weary saddle]

Legion dungeon designs were generally better than other xpans

[acoustic island]

Yes

[lyric geode]

++++++

[sterile bough]

he asked wheater the dmg is low

[deft mortar]

MoS will never show up x

[sterile bough]

normal ilvl wouldgive him +6k dps atleast

[spice radish]

@jagged pier thats not dungeon build

[cedar trench]

Nah they’ll go all the fan fav dungs at the end of xpac

[lyric geode]

I remember last boss on black rook hold as a dd, that I have to use immunity not to die from shadow volley

[deft mortar]

btw since we have TotJS,

[jagged pier]

yes it is why would u run shockwave in ST

in raid

makes no sense

[deft mortar]

there is a chance that we will have Scarlet Crusade dungeons too

[spice radish]

i dont even run it in m+

[deft mortar]

since they were resdigned in mop

[acoustic island]

Yup

[sterile bough]

[acoustic island]

ye

[deft mortar]

ARISE CHAMPION

[sterile bough]

fucking padders

[obsidian path]

I just want a reason to do the Forge of Souls again

[lyric geode]

There were in challenge mode as well

[weary saddle]

whats that red church dungeon

[deft mortar]

i rly done did got risen

[amber siren]

[weary saddle]

scarlet monatery

[lyric geode]

Lots of dungeons in challenge mode can be rearranged for m+

[acoustic edge]

Is it not good? 🤔

[hardy snow]

every dungeon can be rearranged for M+

[cedar trench]

I actually think tjs is the only mop dung I’d enjoy as m+

[lyric geode]

Skyreach

[jagged pier]

u should be running shockwave in m+

[obsidian path]

Bwaaaaahhh

[autumn marsh]

Im finding spell block to be really useful in m+

[clear spindle]

Skyreach or bust for M+

[autumn marsh]

and shockwave is sexy in the right dungeons

[acoustic edge]

I personally like it. Curious why you wouldn’t

[cedar trench]

Depleting key because your dps don’t know how to get passed the wind and die to the birds