protection

[desert timber]

can stances be keybound in the normal settings? the only bind I have for stances is my stance dance macro

[amber siren]

Yep they're labelled as special action buttons

[desert timber]

ah! thanks that must be it

[warm plinth]

D:

Function button presser

[desert timber]

I had them bound for druid shifting back when I played resto

[waxen cedar]

is it granyth or neck (crit haste) here? already have hc decoration and 4 set

[warm plinth]

ngl I still use the function keys for druid forms lol

what's your other trinket

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna with the neck. Manic + Decoration is 👍

[dire matrix]

lariat D:

muh 1% haste average

[warm plinth]

gonna go with*

If you are gonna make lariat, just take the upgraded decoration

[silent patrol]

Hey i have question for war tank, how u consider " Whispering Incarnate Icon" in 421 ?? ( Trinket in The Primal Council )

[waxen cedar]

lariat is overrated garbage

[warm plinth]

It's BiS if other people have it. It's a normal stat stick if they don't.

[dire matrix]

all the embellishes are about equal

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't say it's garbage. It's just not the broken ass neck it was when the buffs could overlap

[steady steppe]

Does incarnate icon stack in raid

[waxen cedar]

nope, only 1 dps and 1 healer matter for it

[steady steppe]

Dam

[tired rune]

Is there a weakaura for 4 set buff

[silent patrol]

Ok ok then u say me, i can take this eyefold ?

[warm plinth]

Take what?

[warm plinth]

No, it's literally just ignore pain

[tired rune]

Sorry i meant 2 set, the revenge buff

[warm plinth]

You can make one, but it's really not necessary. With proper play you'll have near 100% uptime on it anyway

[silent patrol]

Trinket Coucil in 421

[warm plinth]

yeah, you can take it

[dire matrix]

btw which is our worst tier slot

and is it helmet

[warm plinth]

Hands probably?

[dire matrix]

cuz if i dont get a helmet drop from raza

i need to craft it

382 is not cutting it

[warm plinth]

Helm is mast/haste. Gloves are crit/mast

probably pretty comparable

[dire matrix]

ill also kill normal dathea ig

[steady steppe]

Haste mast is better tho

[warm plinth]

It's mastery heavy

Is why it's comparable

[steady steppe]

O

[rough egret]

Yayy 2set 🙂

[deep spruce]

Isn't tier chest the one we avoid

And use haste versa chest from dathea

[livid aurora]

Holy crap, three actual worth choices from my vault. Never had this before...

[weary saddle]

I'm wondering if haste/versitility based on crafted gear is better than tiered gear with tiered bonus but stuck with fixed substats

[warm plinth]

I mean I wouldn't avoid any tier tbh

Getting the set is what matters most

you can nitpick about slots later

[dire matrix]

dps rolling on tank teinkets

REEEEEEEEEEE

[past flax]

Which weakaura you currently use for tanking mythic+?

[warm plinth]

Crafted gear is not going to make up for the loss of tier

[void bramble]

whcih one? my vers is low

[dire matrix]

pog

[warm plinth]

Your vers literally does not matter.

[ocean finch]

Open the vault as arms or prot?

[dire matrix]

i replace the bone ig

[warm plinth]

Take signet

More haste, free damage effect

Easy choice

[dire matrix]

or is the crit on bone good

[warm plinth]

If you have shield/1h already, arms

Otherwise prot

[ocean finch]

415 weap and 418 shield, does that count as already having?

[warm plinth]

It is but not sure how good; it got buffed recently too but I think just the damage. Which trinket did you get?

[dire matrix]

all totem

[warm plinth]

OooOoh

smexy

[dire matrix]

ye

im glad to be off double on use

actually awfull

[warm plinth]

I'm using dragon games equipment

[dire matrix]

jfc

[warm plinth]

yeah you're probably good to open as arms with that

[dire matrix]

bone is probs more dmg

[ocean finch]

Im not raiding tho, so only have 1 HC item to pick up, but x2 421 and one 418

[dire matrix]

but no shield

but the shield isnt even crazy

[warm plinth]

Yeah, all-totem uncapped aoe though. Pull big, let group die, blast

[dire matrix]

all totem always gonna be in

now id like whetstone

[warm plinth]

Yessss

[dire matrix]

or the strength haste one

[compact jackal]

failed an 18 RLP because people were asspulling shit nonstop

or just standing in shit

[ocean finch]

hah and I got 421 tier legs, just what I wanted 😄 2-set here we go bby!

[remote dawn]

you guys use on aoe shocking pots or ervery time stats pot?

[dire matrix]

both

shocking is only good on giga aoe tho

like aa tree

[remote dawn]

kk

[stone horizon]

I'm kinda getting confused with stats

[dire matrix]

nothing from broodmother sob

[stone horizon]

We always aim for Ilvl > haste > vers ?

[dire matrix]

yes

ilvl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>haste>>vers

[stone horizon]

Cool, thanks

[toxic pewter]

anyone have tip for kurog grimtotem final phase? Which quadrant do you drag him to generally

like the very end I mean

after all the adds and everything

[dire matrix]

in what difficulty

[toxic pewter]

heroic

[dire matrix]

whatever has the least stacks is fine

[toxic pewter]

right and he should be killed in the quadrant right

like what amount of stacks should i move him out even in that phase

[south zealot]

kill him before second set of adds gg

[dire matrix]

ideally dont get 2 sets of adds

[south zealot]

really shouldn’t need to but like 27 max

[dire matrix]

with more ilvl u can get no adds

:pog

[toxic pewter]

i am doing these crappy pugs still lmao

[south zealot]

rip

no guild?

[toxic pewter]

I am in a guild but I was replaced had irl scheduling issues

just sucks

[south zealot]

speaking of guild we are finally gonna have a full day of mythic raid prog

[toxic pewter]

they want me to dps but i dont want to

[south zealot]

last few weeks we had something here something there

[dire matrix]

pugs you can skip 2nd adds

np

[south zealot]

ahh unfortunate

[toxic pewter]

not this pug... O_O lmao

[south zealot]

he said shitty pugs to be fair

[dire matrix]

curve only pugs seem ok

we one shot till razaketh in like 90mins

will see how raza goes

id of liked to get 1 tier upgrade but iiwii

or 4p

ideally

[steady steppe]

I've been tryna pug H raz since like 2nd week and I've been in p2 like once

[dire matrix]

i have exactly 2 pulls on this boss

and as dps

so hopefully i dont pepega

[toxic pewter]

yeah i got to 2nd intermission with pug but thats it so far

[tame jungle]

guys I got lucky in vault. What would you pick Crystalized Bulwark shield 421 (current 398 equip) or 415 Decoration of Flame ( current no spec tank triinket 395 isch)

[dire matrix]

shield

[toxic pewter]

i would pick shield for sure cuz i dont see myself killing mythic broodmother

[steady steppe]

Run eranog before u do vault

And see if u get decoration of flame

[toxic pewter]

yah thats a good idea

[mystic radish]

Got in a group yesterday where ppl didnt leave after every pull. Got him down in like 3 h ^^

[tame jungle]

mm true, can also take the hc trinket I guess since it also would be an upg

but shield looks to be best choice in vault

[steady steppe]

Yea idk how I'm ever gonna find a pug where no one leaves for 3 hours

[mystic radish]

Yeah. Usually its like 1h group forming, 1 min pull and then 1h group forming again

[steady steppe]

I stayed in one for 5 hours where someone would leave every pull and i got like 30 wipes

And p2 once

[onyx marsh]

silly question for you guys, I have a few sparks available for gear, my weapon is 402 among a few other items, but I am assuming that weapon over any other slot should be highest level since its where all our dmg comes from?

[dire matrix]

yes

weapon

[onyx marsh]

ty @whim for answering my silly question

[steady steppe]

Weapon and shield should be highest ilvls

[dire matrix]

checks out

[mystic radish]

O:

[dire matrix]

quick flex

[steady steppe]

Nice I have same weapon 415

And I got 415 crystallized bulwark yesterday

[oak ivy]

Wearing:
389 Tier Pants
411 Tier Hands
408 Non Tier Chest
402 Non Tier Shoulders
Help me pick

[dire matrix]

tier shoulder probs

[oak ivy]

Guildies also said shoulders but I'm debating the pants cuz they're the biggest raw stat upgrade

[dire matrix]

you can get 405 pants from m+

you cannot get 411 tier from m+

[oak ivy]

Oh shit you're so right I have higher ilvl pants already

[dire matrix]

also tier good

[oak ivy]

Alright shoulders it is

[hexed crescent]

wearing 2 piece shoulders and head, got lariat and bracers, should i take legs or ring and craft the belt?

ignore the weap im stupid 😦

[tulip kelp]

Is CC really next week?

[empty finch]

24th/25th iirc

[dire matrix]

legs good

[outer solstice]

so,... bird boss in academy,... how do we deal with that guy?

I barely managed to survive on a +20 fortified,...

[dire matrix]

u can talent BI

press demo on the tank buster debuff

[outer solstice]

yeah I did

did ^^

[dire matrix]

wall when adds stand up

do dmg

[real ocean]

Is seal any good on prot? Got it in my vault to with no set choices. Unsure if I should take it. Currently have a 405 crafted ring and the NO ring with a socket at 398.

[dire matrix]

pray your dps also do dmg

position the boss well

[outer solstice]

bird boss, not tree

[dire matrix]

oh

still pray your dps do dmg

take an evoker

😂

they can remove the bleed once a minute

[hasty field]

it's 6% of your healing overall in dung

[atomic inlet]

where is the mythic quest of this week guys?

[real ocean]

Not the absorb one the dmg one.

[hasty field]

ah well
it's good

[deep spruce]

Which mythic quest?

@atomic inlet

[atomic inlet]

the one that give high item lvl tressure

[hollow mural]

its pvp/pet battle week. there isnt one

[atomic inlet]

damn

i got this from last week

very lucky

[deep spruce]

Yeah it was timewalking week

Not now though

[dire matrix]

the absorb and dmg ones only work if you have the belt

and the absorb is pretty mediocre

[deep spruce]

@atomic inlet do u have the belt crafted tho?

Cos it doesn't look like it

[atomic inlet]

i will make a belt soon

just deciding for now what to craft cause i have many weakness like shoulder

[sick sentinel]

lol

[steady steppe]

Lol

[tame jasper]

I see a 395 shield so craft a 418 one

[steady steppe]

Reflect them all

[atomic inlet]

ican use valor for that

but idk maybe i use my valor on set

[outer solstice]

suicide imps

classic

[lyric geode]

Tried to do that on 17 CoS.

People rush to kill the imps

FFS

[outer solstice]

yeah only works if you rush ahead yourself

[atomic inlet]

what boss?

[outer solstice]

Leap + charge 60 meter pull

no boss

[sick sentinel]

overall

[outer solstice]

trash

CoS

[atomic inlet]

nice

[lyric geode]

I mean, it is quite painful for me to deplete the key because people dont understand

[outer solstice]

it's even harder when ppl just die 😦

[atomic inlet]

my freinds use all their cds to make sure i dont reflect any 😄 but u did good

[steady steppe]

Shoulder u can turn to tier in 2 weeks

[lyric geode]

Also, I tried to pull the boss after the small mini boss left

Didn't know it automatically pulled the mini boss as well

[outer solstice]

btw did anyone else notice that items from the vault, that are from M+ and are T-set only provide "normal difficulty" transmog?

[lyric geode]

But to my defence. I tried that in small key.

[outer solstice]

got 421 gloves

and they are normal transmog xD

[sick sentinel]

yea same thing happened to me

idc tho

war set is meh

[hazy sluice]

Yesterday in temple key I had a lot of 1-3 second delays after the first boss. Like everything just stopped at their atm action and then it suddenly "exploded" and the last 1-3 seconds of actions was done all at once in a blink of an eye. My wife sits next to me, same router but didn't have these lags. Any clue what could cause this ?

[sick sentinel]

cant believe the last good war set dates back to legion

[outer solstice]

I like the set

especialyl hc and M

[dusky ether]

guys what gems should you put in an elemental lariat

as prot

[sick sentinel]

i dont hate it except the particle effects from achievement

[atomic inlet]

haste vers

[sick sentinel]

literal turds flying out of shoulders and helm

[dusky ether]

the air or frost ones?

[zinc spruce]

Where do you guys think it's a good add pack to BL in ruby life pools?

[amber siren]

Guessing you're both on wireless?

[zinc spruce]

before first boss

[hazy sluice]

Nope both cat 7

[sick sentinel]

most people use the haste vers ones

[hazy sluice]

On the same switch connected to the same router

[dusky ether]

rather than the vers haste with haste proc?

[sick sentinel]

yea

[dusky ether]

thanks man

[steady steppe]

Idk i put air

[sick sentinel]

thats what most top war use anyway

[steady steppe]

U can change it later if u change ur mind

[sick sentinel]

i just copy them tbh

[amber siren]

If you're both hard wired I'd check for addon errors then, or if you want to go technical you could look into your switch/route QoS settings

[dusky ether]

I was torn between those two haha

[calm compass]

hi, is unstable belt good without raid rings? have fang on wep + lariat, deciding to switch fang on wep to food one and get belt (7 ilvl upgrade) OR get craft boots (26 ilvl upgrade)

[sick sentinel]

its not that much of a difference

[atomic inlet]

cirit is nice for mythic+ content

[woeful trellis]

Raid talents someone?

[atomic inlet]

but probebly better if u craft the haste vers belt

[sick sentinel]

you dont have to switch anything for the flavor packet because it does not count as emb

altho i would switch fang to something else but at this point you prob dont have the choice

like allied bracer

227 vers or seomthing

[hazy sluice]

Oh add-ons could cause lags ? Guess I will switch bugsag on again to see . We have the same interface ( naowh) except yesterday I installed the raid ability timeline weakaura. Maybe that's causing it.

[sick sentinel]

better than fang imo

fang is pure st

[dusky ether]

oooh so that frostbelt

is only worth it with those fire proc rings

I did not know that

[sick sentinel]

yea dont bother with that combo

[delicate iron]

Is it worth to replace Enduring Scale with Whispering Incarnate Icon?

[outer solstice]

for your DPS, yes

[amber siren]

Yeah if an addon is continuously spitting errors it can cause performance issues, bugsack is the easiest way to check for sure

[sick sentinel]

yes

[steady steppe]

What's ur other trinket

[delicate iron]

Blazebinder's hoof

[weary saddle]

Is the Idol of the Dreamers trinket by JC any good?

[steady steppe]

Prob swap hoof with scale unless u like the dps

[sweet summit]

not worth

[rotund dew]

How good is 4 set? I have the option to pick a normal 398 to finish my 4 set. I would then use two set pieces from normal. (Im normally 401).

Currently im tanking +17 keys and only got spanked with big boss hits (HoV 2nd Boss)

The comparison is only a 418 ring.

With BiS stats

[sweet summit]

4 set pretty good defensively, not worth anything directly offensively

[odd leaf]

Maybe a stupid question but how 'good' is Broodkeeper ring for prot?

[sweet summit]

you could wait and see if raid gives you 4 set

and pick based on that

[sweet summit]

highest ilvl ring in the game means lots of stats means good

[steady steppe]

4set won't stop u getting trucked by Hov 2nd boss

[rotund dew]

Exactly

Feels like prot is invincible right now

[odd leaf]

Do i take a 405 Broodkeeper ring over a 411 Head with tier though? Head would be a 29 ilvl increase

[steady steppe]

Can u do raz heroic or broodkeeper heroic

[odd leaf]

Got a reclear today

Raz hc still progging on it

Broodkeeper is on farm

[steady steppe]

Idk

Helm is harder to get until catalyst

I think

[tulip kelp]

I'm still 1 piece

I was only one who could use tier in our 15 man heroic and no drops

[full venture]

Anyone else’s keys going horrible tonight? doing 17s feels much harder than last week

[tulip kelp]

I've only done two and felt easier

[heavy temple]

Can I somehow add embelishments to items in gear compare?

[full venture]

Healer said to do bigger pulls in AA so I did and we wiped twice and he left

[jagged pier]

Almost like its fortifed

[sweet summit]

from what information i have available i'd pick head

[odd leaf]

Ye went with helm

Thing im wondering though, is there any way warriors can benefit from the Equip on Broodkeeper ring?

[sweet summit]

frostfire belt

[atomic inlet]

cant beilive i actually got it

[ruby depot]

hey I am very divided for my craft 418, head or belt ? ( I already have my 4 part ).

The belt synergizes well with the raid rings, no? is it the most opti?

[heavy temple]

Does anyone around here know, how to add an embelishment to e.g. primal molten mace in raidbots?

[sweet summit]

top gear -> + on item

if you don't have the item at all

[warm plinth]

pog

[flint grove]

Got a 395 tier chest at the moment just got a 418 no tier chest in vault, how much do I value the 4 set over ilvl?

[craggy pilot]

ready to get disappointed in vault ❤️

[sweet summit]

#fury message

[heavy temple]

I tried this, but i dont have the molten mace

[sweet summit]

bonsai made thingy 👴

[ruby depot]

nobody knows or you hesitate too? 😄

[craggy pilot]

hmm 🤔

[heavy temple]

Yes, I saw this, but this option only appears if you have the base item, it doesnt show in e.g. gear compare, where id like to find out if crafting it is worth over another embelishment. Thank you for the answer though

[flint grove]

Love that thunderous ring

[eager swift]

shield of the hearth or a molten defender with haste/vers

[warm plinth]

I don't. Take chest, convert in 2 weeks

[sweet summit]

but u don't need the item

[steady steppe]

Ring for ottuck mount

[warm plinth]

Would rather take the higher ilevel and wait a couple weeks for the bonus

[sweet summit]

u add it to top gear through wowhead

[craggy pilot]

i have 415 COS ring though 🤔

[heavy temple]

i was not aware of this being possible

[flint grove]

I already dropped 8 ilvls for 4 set originally but I think 23 ilvls is too much

[craggy pilot]

is 6 ilvls ring still better than the COS effect?

[sweet summit]

the message explains

[flint grove]

What’s the other ring you have?

[craggy pilot]

cobalt ring

[sweet summit]

first you find the item on wowhead https://www.wowhead.com/item=190507/primal-molten-longsword
and to the right you see a box called "links" you click that and click the "simulationcraft import string" which copies it for you
main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507

then you paste it into your gear in bags from /simc string

then you find the embellishment bonus IDs, (potion is /8175/8960, fang is /8796/8960, bronze is /8937/8960) and add those
main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8796/8960

then you find stat IDs, (haste is 36, vers is 40, mastery is 49, crit is 32)
main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8796/8960,crafted_stats=36/32

then you add desired item level with ,ilevel=xyz
main_hand=primal_molten_longsword,id=190507,bonus_id=8796/8960,crafted_stats=36/32,ilevel=418

[warm plinth]

Probably

[sweet summit]

maybe that is more clear

[neat gyro]

any advice on what to craft for my 4th piece.

Have 418 lariat / 418 frostfire / 418 signet

We have 2/8M on farm, and I am the only person left that needs a shield from earnog. I was thinking 1h weapon but since one drops from council I was wondering if I should just fill a low ilvl slot (382 boots) being the most likely target

[eager tulip]

400 prot war with 2200 IO. I am looking for help. I am getting axed by the twin bosses in JLT… even on low keys like 15. I’ve checked a number of YouTube guides and followed them. Taking one boss to immunity and then swapping. I’m dying to shadow dmg “agony”. Once I run out of spell reflects and big cds, I die. Any advice?

[craggy pilot]

looks like it isnt 😄

[steady steppe]

@craggy pilot reclear first before taking tier

[amber siren]

@eager tulip Why take the boss to immunity?

[warm plinth]

assuming that's ST sim?

[blazing condor]

it helps if your team gives the healer the "Feeling of superiority" buff

[mystic radish]

Belt or Wrist? Would go Belt for Raid rings 🙂

[blazing condor]

increases healing done by a ton

[sweet summit]

rotate cds and get healed, can't block anything (unless spell block)

[craggy pilot]

yes

[eager tulip]

Guides say take 1 to immunity to reduce healing difficulty

[warm plinth]

that makes sense

Yeah you don't do that

That's silly

[blazing condor]

well some do

[sweet summit]

go to 7 stacks and swap

[blazing condor]

because they dont do agony when they're immune

its not better tho

[warm plinth]

Not only are you actually taking more damage to stack it to 10, but you literally can't do any damage to the boss for 15 seconds

[amber siren]

Taking it to immunity is making it do more damage, not less

[sweet summit]

going to immune is wasted damage and cringe

[sick sentinel]

never go immunity

[warm plinth]

Literally just give your healer the buff and win

That's all it requires

[sick sentinel]

immunity clears dot which keeps on ticking without stacking the buff

[steady steppe]

U immune one while u attack the other

[warm plinth]

I'm aware of the strategy

[craggy pilot]

@warm plinth honestly this might be a gloves angle though 🤔

[steady steppe]

No downtime

[warm plinth]

It's not worth doing

[sick sentinel]

get the ring

[blazing condor]

either way its a fort week and should be no issue

[warm plinth]

DoTs will still tick on the one you're not hitting without generating stacks.

[blazing condor]

jsut give healer the debuff

ez

[warm plinth]

But obviously they can't do that if it's immune

[pallid quiver]

The immune lasts longer than it takes to build one, if it's like panda days

[craggy pilot]

why? it sims worse than my 415 COS ring

[warm plinth]

It's approximately the same if you're going to 7 stacks

[sick sentinel]

whats your other ring

[pallid quiver]

But on top of that, the damage you take during the 70%, 80%, 90% pushes is more than the damage you avoid

[craggy pilot]

cobalt ring ofc

[warm plinth]

ICD of 2 sec

so 14 seconds

[sick sentinel]

BRUH

[warm plinth]

Or well, 12 seconds I guess, because you get 1 at 0

[sick sentinel]

no

get rid of that lol

[sweet summit]

wat

why

[blazing condor]

[warm plinth]

Why

[craggy pilot]

bro what?

😄

[sweet summit]

it sims higher

[blazing condor]

my ring does like 2m damage for me every key

[warm plinth]

Cobalt ring is insane for its ilevel

[craggy pilot]

"get rid of this ridiculously op ring that sims higher than any other ring" is a weird take tbh

[sick sentinel]

you do you lol

[strange chasm]

is this a bait ? https://imgur.com/PHl4RdI

[pallid quiver]

Cobalt Ring is really like a 415 or above ring or something

[warm plinth]

I do damage

[warm plinth]

yes

it's shit

[pallid quiver]

It's only generally outdone in big stonks aoe, iirc

[strange chasm]

the worse ... is the best pick 😦

[craggy pilot]

its good if you need the defensive CD to have an easier roll on bosses in high keys

but otherwise, its kinda dog

[tall cedar]

holy shit isnt it all of them are so bad? what can i choose from there...

[cinder storm]

I actually got decoration from LFR, I never wanted a trinket more after seeing that juicy overall

[warm plinth]

Horn and boon are both good

Boon requires planning to use without inting though

[flint grove]

Killed mythic first boss first time and 2 dropped for our raid 🙂

[blazing condor]

got mine 1st time doing hc

[flint grove]

Oof

[tacit widget]

shoulders it is right?

set

[blazing condor]

bro got the whole 4 set in his vault

[sick sentinel]

wait youre using the damage proc cobalt ring?

[blazing condor]

yes

thats what you use

[open mirage]

guys, what do you generally go for , higher ilvl ot tier set, tier being 10-15 ilvls lower

[sick sentinel]

what level of keys do you guys run lol

[blazing condor]

always tier for 2p

[warm plinth]

Of course I am

Why tf would I use the shield one; prot war is invincible

[pallid quiver]

i don't think we're invincible

[sick sentinel]

bro lol

[pallid quiver]

but i tend to think that once i've had too many half dungeon pulls

[edgy spear]

415 CoS ring + 418 diurna ring sims higher for me than cobalt

[warm plinth]

so use it 🤷

That's literally what we're saying. If it sims higher, use it

It's a damage ring.

[sick sentinel]

hey i mean

[pallid quiver]

That is about the time that Cobalt starts getting outperformed, so that's not surprising

[sick sentinel]

im pretty sure the 421 ring i told you to get, thats the ring every top warrior use

[pallid quiver]

on top of that, diurna's the fire proc ring, iirc, so that's also got an effect helping it hit above its ilvl

[sick sentinel]

i think theres like 1 not using it out of top 20 war on io rn

[pallid quiver]

Why do we care what the "top wars" use?

[sick sentinel]

because theyre better at the game..?

[warm plinth]

well if the top warriors use it, it must be good. They've never used something that was literal garbage right (not saying that the ring is garbage, just making a point)?

[pallid quiver]

If their rotation involved not hitting SB, would you do it?

[warm plinth]

coughcodexcough

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[void bramble]

Any tips on third boss temple? I was getting bitches

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

i mean you do you lol

[warm plinth]

He was getting bitches 😂

That's amazing

[pallid quiver]

They're not at the top of IO leaderboards because they're the best at making the most optimal decisions or mathing their chars out. They're at the top because they're the best at scoring IO

[graceful hare]

Does this refresh the IP buff? I dont have 4 set yet

[amber siren]

understanding how mechanics work is better than just copying and not knowing why you're doing it

[warm plinth]

No, but it will create its own if there isn't one.

[pallid quiver]

which means they have the time to clear dungeons that high and the ability to play those dungeons

With the former being much more notable

[amber siren]

@graceful hare no it doesn't

[tacit widget]

may i ask again for t-set i use head/shoudlers/gloves/pants right?

[warm plinth]

Does it not? 🤔 I thought it did.

[amber siren]

The initial tick might actually

But refreshing it after doesn't

[edgy spear]

It wont extend IP, no. If there's no IP, it'll create one that'll run it's duration (unless dmg'd off) but it wont keep refreshing the duration

[amber siren]

There we go

[edgy spear]

So if you have a big fat IP that isn't getting depleted you still need to hit IP before the 12 seconds are up (or get a VO proc) to keep it

[warm plinth]

Gotcha, I will edit my reply then. That's my bad.

[graceful hare]

Fair enough. I was thinking if it did the 4pc would just enable you to revenge spam over IP in cases where it does not get damaged off

Which would be pretty slick

[gaunt zealot]

Whats the play for the 3rd boss in temple?

[pallid quiver]

I mean

We do that already

[edgy spear]

The nice thing about the 4 set is that it creates one from thin air, if there isn't one, which will then start filling up with 5%+15% (BrV) of your dmg done

[sick sentinel]

what level of keys

[pallid quiver]

You mostly press IP to spend the rage in the first place

[warm plinth]

[edgy spear]

In addition to the info in the pin, use BL when 2nd phase starts and tell your dps to hold their CDs for it (at least if tyr)

you're gonna get owned if you get like 4-5 of the busters

[sick sentinel]

you can survive 5 kicks on 20 tyr with regular playstyle

beyond that you need to do something funky

[remote dawn]

the trinket hoof, plan it for packs or on hold on CD?

[narrow cradle]

Hello everyone, Struggling to choose on this week's vault. Any recommendations ?

[sick sentinel]

when you dodge the ground aoe after the kick, be mindful of healer's position, don't go to the other direction, it'll range you.

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth hi, ily.

[steady steppe]

Strike twice imo

[edgy spear]

Strike Twice I think

[pallid quiver]

but that shield tho

[sick sentinel]

also if youre not sure you'll survive, dont charge back

walk back, it'll be like 1 extra cast worth of time

for your healer

[pallid quiver]

You should probably craft a wep/shield if you have remaining sparks

[warm plinth]

I have a long weekend Mwahi

Off tomorrow through Saturday

[ionic fern]

Already startred?
wtf.

Nice.

Enjoy.

[steady steppe]

Take strike twice and craft shield I would say

[warm plinth]

I'll be off work pretty early tonight too. Only got maybe 20 mins left

[ionic fern]

[narrow cradle]

I was thinking of crafting a shield with this week's Spark

[warm plinth]

That is a fabulous idea friend

probably should have been your first craft but we don't judge

[ionic fern]

This is the week where i get Lariat and swap my Spiked Shield out.

[warm plinth]

pog

[blazing condor]

poggy

[narrow cradle]

You can all judge haha, I was blinded by engineering 😢

[warm plinth]

Doh

[blazing condor]

this week i upgrade my lariat from 392

[narrow cradle]

Thank you all for the advice !

[warm plinth]

Even I have a higher lariat than that Dog smfh

[ionic fern]

We got a random social in the guild who can do r5 Lariats.

😂

For free.

[blazing condor]

too bad you aint on my server

[warm plinth]

A chicken sandwich? And some waffle fries? For free?

[blazing condor]

in this economy?

[warm plinth]

Anyone else remember that

[cinder storm]

Why some people do it for free?

[warm plinth]

Or just me

[ionic fern]

No idea Ghash. 😦

[ionic fern]

Idk, they nice.

[blazing condor]

its not about getting paid it's about paying it forward

[ionic fern]

We still pay him a bit.

Even though he doesn't want any gold.

I'll give him 50% of my gold.

Which currently means.. 15k.

[cinder storm]

[ionic fern]

Do you know how expensive flasks/pots etc are???

I should stop doing m+.

[blazing condor]

go mine mwahi

[ionic fern]

I have tried.

But i get bored after 5m randomly flying around.

And never finding ores.

And then someone DM's me "HEY, KEYS?`!?!?"

ANd i say "HEY, OKAY".

[warm plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dJu1Jj7VTw some vulgar language, be advised lol

[blazing condor]

16 years ago

[warm plinth]

Unforgivable is a classic man

[cinder storm]

I'm still rocking a 385 chest

[unique shale]

what is Embellishments limit

[cinder storm]

[warm plinth]

dos equis

[blazing condor]

2

[icy bane]

Did +21 today and the enhancement shaman ripped aggro from me like three times during the dungeon, thought I was losing my damn mind

Player kept showing all the names blue

[blazing condor]

on pull?

or mid of pull

[unique shale]

so i can only use two spark ?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

no

noooo

[icy bane]

Probably like 4-5 seconds into pull

[warm plinth]

You can only use 2 embellishments

[pallid quiver]

You can craft items without embellishments

[blazing condor]

you can craft as much as you want but it says on the thing you craft if its an embellishment or not

[warm plinth]

You can make as many spakr items as you want

[pallid quiver]

Like a shield or a weapon

[warm plinth]

spark*

[icy bane]

Checked the logs of threat and he ripped aggro on the two void spawns

Well off one of them

[unique shale]

you mean something like amour spike ?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

Armor Spikes turns the related item into an embellishment

[icy bane]

One shot him into the dirt kek

[warm plinth]

armor spike, shield of the hearth, frostfire belt, fangs, haste proc legs, etc etc.

[pallid quiver]

If you don't use it, you can equip multiple

[calm sentinel]

hmmm .. +6ilvl upgrade on shield vs +16 on both other stats .. considering all secondaries are crap

[warm plinth]

The only thing used in the embellishment slot that doesn't count is the alchemical flavor pocket from community feast

[warm plinth]

easy choice, shield

[jagged pier]

Shield

[oak junco]

debating which one to take - the shield is better than mythic first boss so its generally very good but i'd hate to get a max ilvl shield in my vault next week or something. chest is capped ilvl and has good stats but competes with the slot for tier & catalyst is still a couple weeks off

[calm sentinel]

appreciated, thanks

[cinder storm]

Then loot as fury or arms next vault

Take shield now

Ez clap

[tawny prawn]

Is the ring good for tank?

[icy bane]

Yes

Need frost fire belt tho

[unique shale]

@warm plinth what is item called on ah for adding slots into your Elemental Lariat ?

[blazing condor]

tiered stringed medallion

or something

tiered medallion is what you need to search at least

[tame coral]

is the shield the most important upgrade? over wep?

I thought ilvl was king

[blazing condor]

shield is the only piece that gives block value

[warm plinth]

Tiered Medallion Setting

[blazing condor]

having a high shield is important for damage reduction

[warm plinth]

ilevel is king means you take higher ilevel items over items with certain stats.

It doesn't mean you take wrists over a shield because wrists is a 12 ilevel upgrade and shield is a 3 ilevel upgrade

Shield and weapon are your most impactful slots by a mile

[tall cedar]

what shit item should i choose from here ? i need some advice. I got Whisper/Decoration heroic version trinkets

my boots are pretty bad so should i go for 418 boots or what idk

[tame coral]

trying to decide between crafting shield at 418 vs wep cuz I have wep at 392 ilvl and teh crystallized bulwark shield at 402. Haven't had trouble surviving +18's except Crawth on Tyrannical and my damage seems low so it's tuff

[warm plinth]

You can go weapon if you want. We had a guy in here the other day tanking 20s with a 372 shield wondering why he was getting meleed so hard 😂

[tacit gorge]

yesterday i did a AA +15 and Bird deals big big dmg to me, i pressed all my rage into ignore pain and shield block at the end of the fight i got 26k hps, with ilvl 396, so my shield is only 385, if it was higher i didnt take so much damage from his bleed hit?

[warm plinth]

No, armor/block does nothing against that mechanic.

[edgy spear]

Bleed doesnt get mitigated by armor, so no

[warm plinth]

Well, armor mitigates the initial hit

But not the bleed

[unique shale]

does Unstable Frostfire Belt passive ability count as Embellishments

[pallid quiver]

Specifically, Strength is worth more than any specific combination of secondary stats is the reason ilvl is king. Above even strength, however, is a high ilvl shield due to it being the only thing that makes you block better, your main form of mitigation

[oak junco]

none of that helps with bleed

[warm plinth]

Yes

[edgy spear]

Bird boss is just the bane of our existence.

[warm plinth]

Look at the item; it says "Unique Embellished (2)"

[tame coral]

weird that wafting devotion 3 is siming higher than Frozen Devotion 3 and Sophic Devotion 3, by like 100 dps

[oak junco]

only thing to do against bleed is proper DR like shield wall or spamming ignore pain like your life depends on it(and it does)

[unique shale]

does passive ability on it worth it ?

[warm plinth]

It's mostly worth it if you have the raid ring that has the damage proc

[pallid quiver]

Frostfire's mainly used to proc the raid fire rings

[warm plinth]

Otherwise it's not any different than the other embellishments

[young mango]

btw possible that tc dont apply rend in sbg on worm boss ?

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5JWGaZ9DK1Gkf6gBevjBLs
raidbots telling me upgrading Trinket and taking Ring, is almost same dps increase as picking gloves, and upgrading Ring 🤔

why this has to be so complicated 🤣

maybe i should reclear HC before i pick..

[warm plinth]

aoe/cleave abilities are really shit on that fight. They miss easily and some cleave abilities won't hit him at all once he's submerged once

[young mango]

ok than it is like that, had to apply rend with actuall rend spell 😄

[warm plinth]

You ever see a windwalker do garbage tier DPS on that fight, give him a break because his highest damaging ability can't hit him 😂

[edgy spear]

Yeah

[craggy pilot]

if you go very close to the boss, you can hit him with TC

[spice orbit]

You are heavily stacked on crit/haste and you only play m+
Assuming same ilvl upgrade, do you take the crit/haste belt or the haste/versa ring because you're worried to have too little mastery/versa for some reason...

[bleak quartz]

is 421 scale good enough to replace 402 ruby?

[steady steppe]

Why can dps and heal roll on decoration of flame

[ionic fern]

Forever crit/haste

[ionic fern]

Why not.

[spice orbit]

my man. that's what I wanted to hear

[edgy spear]

iirc they count as "need offspec" not "need mainspec" unless loot spec is a tank spec

[warm plinth]

Possibly. I would sim it though. That's a decent bit of str

[steady steppe]

Nah don't think so I had 402 healer take it yesterday in heroic when he has other trinkets 410

[remote dawn]

hoof trinket, play it on CD or plan it for packs?

[edgy spear]

If he was in his class tank lootspec, his roll would count as a tank roll

[steady steppe]

Ok I see

[edgy spear]

Oh, seems its not confined to just tank specs

My bad

[steady steppe]

Ye I thought so

[edgy spear]

Actually I'm not sure. Wowhead isn't being helpful

If it doesn't show under the dungeon journal tab for DPS specs, then it's prio for tank specs (or people in tank loot spec) on rolls. DPS specs can roll too but they'll be 2nd prio after tank spec rolls

[steady steppe]

Stealing my trinkets 😠

[edgy spear]

So a healer could win it if he was in tank loot spec.

[steady steppe]

It's happened 2 times now

First fury Warr took it and now resto druid

[edgy spear]

Maybe he tanks m+? Not everyone who plays (role) in raids plays the same in m+

2nd ranked IO pwar plays DPS in raids.

[ocean prairie]

Guys what are our best rings? Cobalt Assembly dps + the fire damage one?

(assuming frostfire belt)

[steady steppe]

I bet decoration went to raid tank first

[zinc spruce]

what Embellishments u guys prefer?

[blazing condor]

lariat

[calm sentinel]

another Q for the hive mind ... what to spend spark on next https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackhand/Scór

Helm would be biggest ilvl upgrade + give me tinker slot. I'm non raider also

[patent vigil]

Need some help; Pick up 2set / Thunderous Downburst Ring /w socket which is +16 ilvl or Granyth's Enduring Scale (currently running Storm-Eaters Boon and Blazebinder's Hoof). Playing basicly only M+.
Sims tell me to take 2set, but know it doesn't sim defensively

[jagged pier]

its still 2 set

[patent vigil]

Yeah, I guess that's the go-to, just feels bad to pick normal pieces that are basicly sidegrades with current equipped

[molten maple]

I heard at one point there was a way through MDT to premark dungeon mobs, does anyone know if that's another addon or a WA?

[jagged pier]

no its part of the addon

[molten maple]

How do you do it? I don't see any marking options in MDT

[blazing condor]

i have an automarker WA

[warm plinth]

You're an automarker WA

gottem

[blazing condor]

[molten maple]

Oh word, do you have a wago link to the one you use?

[north comet]

I have This rin that do fire dot when fire damage is cast BUT for use to activate it we need to craft for example Frostfire belt ? Unstable Frostfire Belt ?

[eager phoenix]

Yes

[blazing condor]

https://wago.io/b_JzlxXLu think its this one? not online

[molten maple]

Dope, tyvm

[north comet]

And this 408 ring with dot might be better than 421 i have from m+ ?

[small plinth]

Need some advice: tossing up between Diurna 411 shield upgrading from a 392 shield, or 408 tier shoulders with speed upgrading from 382 shoulders

[north comet]

this dot looks solid 🙂

[ionic fern]

Diurna.

Yw.

[small plinth]

I have 2 pc ATM as well

[ionic fern]

Diurna.

Yw.

[young tartan]

Im debating something, need some help. I got 3rd set item in vault (helm) at 415. Also got a 418 strike twice 1h weapon, but got the spark and the concentrated thing to make a 415/418 1h weapon. Should i take the strike twice nontheles and skip tier or take tier and craft a 1h weapon

if i dont craft the weapon i can upgrade lariat to 415/418

[lyric geode]

Take tier, but not crafting

[hazy sluice]

Can a healer survive having the buff in temple twin boss the whole fight duration ?

[lyric geode]

Craft Lariat to 418

[young tartan]

Current weapon only 392 strike twice tho =/

and not a raider

[lyric geode]

Can you upgrade weapon?

With valor?

[amber siren]

If it came from M+ sure can

[young tartan]

I could, havent used any valor yet this tier

[lyric geode]

Hmm

[amber siren]

Or M+ vault I should say

[young tartan]

so at 3750 rn

[lyric geode]

Well

[young tartan]

after simming crafted gear etc

[lyric geode]

Valor should be used on trinkets, and shield

[whole vortex]

Lariat mid

[young tartan]

Shield currently is a 402 crafted

so cant upgrade that

[tall cedar]

guys any advice? I have heroic version whispering incarnete and decoration. My boots are pretty bad . What should i choose it

[amber siren]

Nothing wrong with using valour on weapons and shields if you're not willing to craft or unlikely to get them from raid, they're your most important pieces

[lyric geode]

@young tartan do you go 16s?

[young tartan]

yeah

[lyric geode]

Okay, so.

[young tartan]

i got the concentrated thing to create 1 415/418 now

but can farm more ofc

[lyric geode]

Well, imho I wouldn't craft weapon

[crimson snow]

Worth dropping legs from 402 to 376 LFR legs for 2 pc tier set?

Overall I drop 2 ilvl

[lyric geode]

Its 2 sparks usage.

[jagged pier]

yes

[lyric geode]

I would craft Lariat to 418

[jagged pier]

1 hander

is 1 spark

not 2

[lyric geode]

Ah ok

[crimson snow]

Yes to me @jagged pier ?

[mint imp]

418 Lariat or 418 shield?

[jagged pier]

yes

[crimson snow]

Thank you!

[young tartan]

so yeah thats why i was wondering crafting or not

only 1 spark

[tall cedar]

4set bonus is kinda good? 4set or 2set + ilvl is better?

[young tartan]

so i can get tier

[lyric geode]

Go craft

[young tartan]

get weapon and farm for lariat upgrade

or other way round ofc

[lyric geode]

But not embellished

[young tartan]

but weapon craft will be biggest dps inc

[lyric geode]

I would prefer belt over weapon tl be honest.

[young tartan]

I got 2 sparks in bag

[lyric geode]

Yes, but dont go for embellished. I prefer the belt one with the eranog ring

[eager phoenix]

Just craft a weapon and get it to 418 eventually, then you don't really need to think about it rest of season. Its 3 ilvl from max

[young tartan]

yeah the unstable belt you mean right?

[lyric geode]

Yes

[young tartan]

yy

aight thx

[lyric geode]

No

Np**

[jagged pier]

horn or boon i would

[tall cedar]

i have which 395 whisper and 402 decoration

which one should i replace it?

also horn has leech

[jagged pier]

i would sim but boon probably going to be better in m+ and horn in ST but u can use boon on a lot of fights in the raid

and in raid u replace flame

and in m+ incarnate

[tall cedar]

im mostly playing m+

[lyric geode]

Maelstrom is do good

Try to farm a few CoS

Is so good***

[jagged pier]

according to bloodmalllet even in single target

408 boon out performs 421 horn

[zenith sky]

How high are you valuing leech? E.g., all else being equal, how many ilvl are ~300 leech (~3%?) worth on a chest piece?

[edgy spear]

Most likely, but this guy is getting outrolled in pug rolls. Different rules apply

[jagged pier]

i mean tbh flame is seen as a tank trinket

its not

1 ip does more damage reduction than 1 use of the trinket

[lyric geode]

Guys

1 question

[pallid quiver]

0 ilvl

[lyric geode]

Can belt be 5 starred without proc?

[pallid quiver]

You only value tertiary if it's same ilvl

and same secondaries

[lyric geode]

Leech is quite good tbh

I would value 1-2 ilvl most

[jagged pier]

on a chest

[lyric geode]

depend on the slot

[jagged pier]

high value strength piece

nah

[west meadow]

silly question but how good is the 4 set for prot?

[zenith sky]

Thanks for the input, I have the choice of either 6 ilvl upgrade on legs with leech, or 19 ilvl on chest (same stats, no additional tier slot etc.) and I am wondering if it is worth delaying an upgrade on the chest to gain the leech.

[steel canyon]

thoughts on craftable bracers with versa ?

[jagged pier]

reaally strong in m+

[jagged pier]

its chest

[atomic inlet]

guys 1 question do i still neeed frost fire belt when i have this

[jagged pier]

yes

[lyric geode]

Isnt it basically 5% leech?

[jagged pier]

it prcs the ring far more often

[blazing condor]

decoration is once every 2 mins

[jagged pier]

not really, your ip just doesnt go down if u play correctly meaning u can revenge even more

[remote dawn]

trinket blaze hoof use it on CD or plan it for packs?

[atomic inlet]

the ring is 395

[lyric geode]

But it is like 5% leech

[atomic inlet]

not sure if i shoud hold on to it

[lyric geode]

given you dont cap IP

[jagged pier]

okay i would be using it if i have it on any difficulty but lfr

[tall cedar]

4p or 2p + lvl?

[jagged pier]

4p

[pallid quiver]

unless it's a lotta ilvl

[tall cedar]

398 > 415

[pallid quiver]

then you probably actually gain more survival and damage from the higher ilvl

[onyx matrix]

help me here

[tall cedar]

411-398 2 set piece and 415 m+ 2 piece

[atomic inlet]

i have 411 ring

[onyx matrix]

is the trinket any good at all?

[atomic inlet]

shoud i hold to this 395 u think?

[jagged pier]

its better than a 411 ring

[atomic inlet]

daymn

if it was valorable

😄

[elder bay]

Is frostire Belt bis for prot too or only for fury?

Frostfire

[tall cedar]

@atomic inlet that trinket is pretty good on m+

[lyric geode]

It is quite good for prot, given you have eranog ring

[tall cedar]

wish i had it also

[covert topaz]

LF Quick advice, I have frost fire belt 418, verse wrists 418, I have a spark now, and a 415 wep / shield. what would be the best use for spark? neck? wep? if so what embelish should i do or just get the food one put on wep and keep frostfire/Vers

[midnight dune]

Is anyone using Disrupting Shout in m+? I think it looks really dope but M+ leaderboards says otherwise

[atomic inlet]

when i oppened my vault i had it in i wanted to take it but i waited
i did a heroic raid and i got it 😄
i can take the set from vault now :0

[jagged pier]

u should get rid of the vers one

its useless

[wraith niche]

Worth switching to pendant? Scared to lose the verse while tanking

[jagged pier]

vers means nothing

also more stats > than less stats

[covert topaz]

@jagged pier So what would you run wep / neck embelish with frost fire ?

[jagged pier]

well i dont need to make wep or sheild

but yes

[lyric geode]

You value haste more than versa because you press more buttons

[jagged pier]

its not just haste u value more

crit is in theory our best defensive stat in m+ because it will stop the most overall damage through parring

[lyric geode]

RNG parry god Kokia's tank buster

[covert topaz]

@jagged pier Turns out you cant remove the vers brace / frostfire belt embelish

[jagged pier]

yer u can remove the embelishment

u shouldnt be running the bracers in the first place

[covert topaz]

Cant, only optional ones

[ocean prairie]

Should we craft items with haste vers or haste crit

[pallid quiver]

It's an AOE interrupt, so it's very situational, with not many current use cases. In most M+ scenarios you could think of using it on, you can also utilize LOS to group and move the caster group. It's main use is to group far apart casters like that, since in most M+ situations you can generally cover all kicks with just Shockwave/Storm Bolt/an actual ass kick

[inland mesa]

You cannot remove embellishments from items that naturally come with one like allied wrists, frostbite belts or shield of the hearth.

You can remove ones from items you added embellishments to like armor spikes or fang.

[pallid quiver]

It can be useful for things like platform adds on Dathea Heroic, but in general cases it's too much cost in comparison to losing out on SoF and what-not

[copper cedar]

Hm, either 9 ilvl downgrade on shoulder to get 4p or 20 ilvl upgrade on belt or boots and stay on 3p
Guess 4p is not strong enough for that?

[hazy sluice]

Any idea when the cobalt damage ring could be replaced ?

[warm plinth]

When sims say to

[sick sentinel]

when you start doing real keys lol

[charred ivy]

Is frostfire belt with the 2 raidproc rings like bis?

[warm plinth]

Yes because the stats from a higher ilevel ring are the only way you can do "real keys"

[pallid quiver]

that stam's gonna save you from being one-shot, doncha know

[pallid quiver]

The CoS auto-attack ring is more damage than the shield ring, so if you're looking for more DPS, not both rings

due to having, like, a damage proc instead of a defensive one

[hazy sluice]

What kind of answer is this, dafuq

[steady steppe]

How much dps does the cos ring provide

[pallid quiver]

uh

more than a normal ring
Depends on if you're using Battering Ram, too, so I can't give a number

i just listen to what our sim overlord robits tell me

[sick sentinel]

i mean its pretty straight forward if you actually put thoughts into it. what % of overall damage do you usually get from cobalt ring proc?

[lucid elk]

2 piece or icon or fire ring off first boss

[sick sentinel]

on a regular key run you do

[lucid elk]

what do i choose

[hazy sluice]

Yeah I mean it is about 3% overall, but the sec stats are lower sooo

[sick sentinel]

exactly

[pallid quiver]

you can also use a piece of software known as a dedicated calculator for situations in wow to figure out if it's more than the stats

also known as a sim

[steady steppe]

Clear raid first see if u get a drop

[lucid elk]

i didnt

just did

[sick sentinel]

compare that 3% to about 600 secondary stats which is the difference between the cobalt ring and a 415 ring

[hazy sluice]

Ofc it's down to sim, but there have been bugs in the sim API for other things so the real chads here may know things I don't

[sick sentinel]

also around 200 stam

[pallid quiver]

Which it generally is until either big chunko AOE or like 410 rings-ish

[sick sentinel]

the "real chads" also said warriors are invincible rn which leads me to think they didnt do anything over 20 last week

[pallid quiver]

The fact you think that makes me think you might be illiterate or blind, considering they've, uh

posted their above 20 runs before

[oblique kayak]

Just instadied twice to the SBG Skelettons..wtf..

[ionic fern]

Magic damagew nukeeeeee.

[flint grove]

Kekekekek void slice or whatever it’s called?

[pallid quiver]

yeah the dot scaling is fixed, too, so, uh

like don't touch that

[jagged pier]

well your not dealing with vod slash then

[real ocean]

Yea they hit like a truck

[oblique kayak]

yeah

[pallid quiver]

unless you mean the void

yeah that chunks you

[flint grove]

Yeh you don’t wanna get hit by that

[oblique kayak]

not the boss

[pallid quiver]

You can anything from:
Outrange
Stun
CD

[flint grove]

I know not the boss the first two packs with skeles

[pallid quiver]

listen i've seen so many people just esplode on nerzhul recently it's just my first thought

[lucid elk]

im stumped on what to chose

[flint grove]

At what point does 4 set get trumped by ilvl?

[nimble herald]

@lucid elk the beast

[pallid quiver]

It's... a little hard to judge for survival purposes, so it's hard to give you anything concrete, Rickets

[flint grove]

I have 4set from normal (sadge) but can replace my chest with a 418 this week but I’ll lose the bonus is it value?

[pallid quiver]

You can't really sim for defensiveness so

[flint grove]

Nop

[lucid elk]

prob only between ring and trinket

[flint grove]

My vault was so shit

[lucid elk]

thanks @nimble herald

[real ocean]

Same

[lucid elk]

icon or fire dmg ring off eranog

[sick sentinel]

hey man if youre running damage cobalt ring on tyrannical TJS AV AA etc because sim said it deals more damage then props to you

[real ocean]

Yea me too. But i am not sure how good that is

[onyx matrix]

How good is all-totem of the master trinket for us?

[real ocean]

All other choices have been t slots which haven‘t been t pieces. Big sad

[steady steppe]

Do u have either already

And what ilvl

[lucid elk]

nope but i have both in my vault and ive done normal and heroic

theyre both heroic

[steady steppe]

Can u try mythic eranog?

Idk it's up to u if u want defensive trin or offensive trink

Both are bis I think

[sick sentinel]

i understand running the shield ring because of sheer value but damage ring is just trolling

[jagged pier]

no

damage ring

is better

in ever way

[sick sentinel]

is this a meme

didnt someone just say its about 3% overall damage

[jagged pier]

do u need a random shield for less than 1 IP?

[jagged pier]

thats higher than ebleishments and some trinkets

what do u mean its a meme?

[sick sentinel]

thats also at the cost of about 600+ secondary stats and 200 stam

[nimble herald]

@lucid elk meevmoo is bis

[sick sentinel]

600 vers is literally about 3% damage

like why

[real sapphire]

is tanking in battle stance a meme or an option? i default to def but i am unsure if i need it if the grp is sufficiently coordinated

[pallid quiver]

Battle Stance is actually the default

[sick sentinel]

its an option in cerntain packs and bosses

[prime sphinx]

battle stance 99% of the time

[pallid quiver]

You treat D Stance as a defensive cooldown

[jagged pier]

u literally run colbalt ring till u get thos

because it does damage

u dont replace cobalt ring

and its 389

[sick sentinel]

do you all not realize the proc is at cost of secondary stats lol

[pallid quiver]

No, it's not, actually

[jagged pier]

we all know that

[sick sentinel]

ok

1sec

[jagged pier]

but its more damage

[pallid quiver]

Cobalt ring hits over its weight from the proc

[jagged pier]

do u sim?

stats + effect > than more stats

cool ggs

[devout parcel]

is there an optimal talent build for this week? or just spec into piercing howl for spiteful

[jagged pier]

why would u do that?

[marble cipher]

I mean ... why keep discussing, cobalt ring is for dps, if you wanna see what's the best dps, sim, done
Care about the defensive value of the secondary stats? You do you and pick a high ilvl haste/vers heavy ring in stead if you want

[real sapphire]

thank you very much guys. i always get unsure about stuff when mistakes happen 🙂

[lucid elk]

im currently running cobalt sheild ring and the haste evrs ring from nokud

[ionic fern]

My cobalt ring sims less than my new rings. 😦

[pallid quiver]

because your dps is suicidal

[lucid elk]

my trinkets are decoration heroic teroos normal

[jagged pier]

unluck havent had a ring drop that does more dps

[lucid elk]

so both are significant upgrade

[pallid quiver]

Mine's starting to sim less in some cases of big AOE in comparison to some rings, so I've been conflicted

[sick sentinel]

this is a regular 415 ring, extremely obtainable at this point. 414+745=1159 raw stats, number varies but in the same ballpark

[spark patrol]

Do you thinks it’s worth to craft wrists for battle res?

[tropic plinth]

guys, is the 2 set better than a 13 ilvl upgrade to shoulders?

[ionic fern]

I got 405 CoS + 415 Arcane Loop that are simming higher than Cobalt.

[jagged pier]

enchants vers

nah

im out

[copper cedar]

would you downgrade shoulder by 9 ilvl to get 4p?
if you could get 20 ilvl on boots instead?

[sick sentinel]

this is your precious 389 cobalt ring, 241+227=468 raw stat

[marble cipher]

read

it's not about the stats

jeeez

[pallid quiver]

We're going to ignore the fact that we've already said that Cobalt's outperformed in damage at like 410-ish rings

so the example given isn't even in good faith

[marble cipher]

and yes, your 415 ring might be better dps wise since it's 415 and vers heavy

[sick sentinel]

1159-468= 691 stats

you convert 691 to literally any secondary stats

its gonna convert to about 3% damage

[hazy sluice]

Vers enchant and defense cobalt ring. Seems like either I have no clue what's important to bring or you dont

[sick sentinel]

which is the proc's overall

[prime sphinx]

yes

[marble cipher]

oh, didn't even see it's the def ring he linked

[sick sentinel]

like

[marble cipher]

nvm

care

[tropic plinth]

Thank you 🙂

[whole vortex]

feelycrafting

[sick sentinel]

691 vers 691 crit 691 haste, 691 anything is about 3% damage

and im not even talking defensive

but hey you do you

[marble cipher]

yet you're using the defensive ring as an example 🤔

[sick sentinel]

...

they have the same secondary stats

[pallid quiver]

don't even engage

[sick sentinel]

i give up lol

[marble cipher]

haha

[pallid quiver]

it's not engaging with us, so just don't engage

[real ocean]

Pretty sure its jus about the stats

Ot the effect of the ring