protection

[modern brook]

^

You will be able to craft an upgrade full stop

maybe not to 415

[vital lichen]

I have a 17 done. Can probably do 8 16s lol, should be able to at least

[plush tendon]

yea, do that

[vital lichen]

9*

[plush tendon]

get 10 of those thingys

[modern brook]

they dont even have to be in time

[plush tendon]

make 418 shield

[modern brook]

just gotta kill 9 pug keys

[plush tendon]

then do it 3 more times for the other crafted pieces you want XD

[uneven mason]

Snuff those pugs

[vital lichen]

thanks for the advice fellas

[uneven mason]

Speaking of snuffing pugs, does anyone know what happens if the key owner ragequits a key before it's completed?

[warm plinth]

Nothing

[compact jackal]

you finish it and spite them

you get the loot, they get a -1

[uneven mason]

Is it supposed to boot everyone or do they get a +2 in the mail

Ah ok that's what I was wondering

[warm plinth]

It depends on what happens after they leave

[compact jackal]

the more I look at this the more I skip the 3/4 tier piece and just take the cloak tbh

[craggy pilot]

hmm, can i go 2500 before reset 🤔

[warm plinth]

If you finish it, then whatever would normally happen will still happen (e.g. if you time it, it still goes up one)

[compact jackal]

what if u did court of stars

AGAIN

[warm plinth]

They will also still potentially get lopt

Loot

[craggy pilot]

been there done that 😄

[uneven mason]

Yeah did a double tank cos and about halfway dude got mad because he realized that me and the paladin were both prot

[craggy pilot]

have it +19

[compact jackal]

but what if you did it

AGAIN

[wild sandal]

is this fine for m+ or should revenge be higher?

[craggy pilot]

shhhh

[craggy pilot]

my 60k+ dps from +18 Academy

[compact jackal]

have you killed melandrus before DF on your war?

[somber shell]

holy shit I got screwed. Don't have lariat yet.. maybe take neck (23 level upgrade) and craft a belt? so sad

[craggy pilot]

not rly

[compact jackal]

the neck isn't THAT bad

[modern brook]

what is 2400? 20s?

[compact jackal]

in fact

[wild sandal]

ill try and log the next run

[somber shell]

ugh

[wary haven]

share talents!

[modern brook]

(also gz:^) )

[compact jackal]

it sims 0.3% higher than scorched bone sometimes

[slim dove]

lariat is 1%. dont stress it.

[wild sandal]

60k, i dream of that but thanks

[slim dove]

like all 18s

[compact jackal]

lariat is shit cmv

[slim dove]

iirc

[acoustic oasis]

I am thinking all totem of the master, but Potion-stained cloak is BiS Stats, i dont need the weapon, belt, or shoulders.

[somber shell]

thanks

[compact jackal]

17s

[slim dove]

totem for sure.

[craggy pilot]

basically the nome talents from pins

[slim dove]

no lightning pot? for shame

[compact jackal]

damn you beat me

[craggy pilot]

i did Eye of the Storm this time

[slim dove]

lightning is a combat pot

shocking disclosure iirc

[fallen pulsar]

if IP is not about to run out/doesnt need to be reupped as well

[craggy pilot]

oh ye i did use it on Tree

only did 800k dmg tho

[fallen pulsar]

and you have more than like 40 rage

[craggy pilot]

since we had big blasters

i just used it to ensure i had aggro in 2nd uproot since i had no CDs for it

and no AOE taunt either

[modern brook]

IDK how to say this without negging you so sorry in advanced

that seems way easier than i thought it was

not to take away from the achievement ij ust thought it was way higher on reqs...

[craggy pilot]

ye same bro

i thought it was all +20 as well

but then again 2000 rating (KSM) is also just like all on 13-14

[lavish oracle]

All 17s afaik

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, you always TC and SS over rev afaik unless you're almot raged cap and not in avatar

[somber shell]

if I craft an item with primal infusion and the spark, does upgrading it later only requjre the concentrated primal infusion or do I need another spark?

[compact jackal]

OK

so my choice in vault is 418 crit/haste cloak, or 411 tier helm. I'm 2/4 tier. Do I take the helm and grab gloves from the raid until I can get my 415 chest, or do I take the cloak and try for a better helm?

[fallen pulsar]

nah you dont need 300 in all

[somber shell]

ok cool

[fallen pulsar]

oh wait

Math bad

i'm gonna leave now

[analog sparrow]

I'm fucking up then I think. Usually ss is top for me

[fallen pulsar]

I just can't multiply today

soooo rip

[analog sparrow]

Or maybe that was just tyrannical week

[south zealot]

ksm is too easy

jts a formality achievement at this point

[compact jackal]

last by a mile

last season was FUN

and FREE

this season is PAIN AND PAIN

[modern brook]

I mean

this is the 2nd rotation of this season

[south zealot]

its easier now objectively

you only need like 13s right

or was it like that too in sl and im dumb

[modern brook]

i got it and i still dont have keys completed.

[uneven mason]

S4 we were just insanely overpowered

[south zealot]

which is fun

early xpac seasons are always less fun

[somber shell]

S4 affix was definitely more fun

[uneven mason]

Now we're...uh...

[south zealot]

that too

[vale vessel]

if I have the 385 storm weapon shield and one spark left; is it better to make a crafted shield over a weapon?

[uneven mason]

I mean it's not like we're doing poorly

[somber shell]

thundering sucks

[south zealot]

progressive rewards is good

[oak echo]

You needed 15s but everybody was timing 18s-20s 3 days into the season

[somber shell]

exactly this

[oak ivy]

Does this WA show every cast that's reflectable or only if it's targeting you?

[oak echo]

I would say everyone that had been doing keys the previous season and had tier already yeah

Because the sets were just reused and everyone had 4 pc going into the season

[steel mauve]

10 ilvl upgrade to shield, or 23 ilvl upgrade to helmet from vault

[modern brook]

if its targeting you

[compact jackal]

Who wants to hear pain?

My GL had a 418 tier helm in their vault. They took 402 tier pants for 4 set instead.

🤢

[fallow nova]

Well, got my hands on both Blazebinder's Hoof and Decoration of Flame today

[tulip kelp]

I took a socket last week

[steel mauve]

gave up a mythic raz tier piece?

[compact jackal]

m+, but yeah

he literally had prio on tier pants this week

[fallow nova]

I was rocking Scale and Stone, I've earned it lmao

[ripe briar]

Hey team, real quick one, is 4p good? or just sticck with 2p - I do keys mostly

[compact jackal]

what slot is the tier piece, ilvl, etc

[oak echo]

It's good unless you're losing a lot of ilvl

Like I wouldnt wear lfr tier to get 4p

[compact jackal]

or worse, gloves

[uneven mason]

It's a gain but not worth dropping ilvl on

[ripe briar]

395 chest

[compact jackal]

what's your other vault choices, what ilvl is your current chest

is it 4pc or 3pc?

with catalyst around the corner I would say 395 isn't worth it even for 4pc tbh

[ripe briar]

I have 2 peicce, Thsi was just fromr aid

Raid

So this will make 3p, My current chest is 392 standard

[oblique vault]

What are the BIS trinkets for M+ and raiding?

[foggy drift]

Sadge I didn’t get a tier piece from vault

[compact jackal]

do you want use/use or use/passive?

[sick sentinel]

why would you make a primal molten defender ofver shield of the hearth (crafted items) is it because of the missive?

anyone know?

[compact jackal]

because soth is bad

[oblique vault]

@compact jackal Use and Passive

[oak echo]

Doesn't the other shield have a built in embellishment?

[sick sentinel]

because of the stats? whats wrong with the embelish?

[compact jackal]

proceeds to not hit you

[oak echo]

Because you can only have 2 and there are more than 2 that are better

[compact jackal]

grieftorch/whetstone/seb, rumbling ruby/tramping hooves/wii

[sick sentinel]

eh?

[compact jackal]

If you're not taking damage it doesn't proc which means it does nothing.

In which you have a shield with bad stats

[sick sentinel]

oh i see

[compact jackal]

and are passing up on wristguards/lariat + belt/ring combo

[oblique vault]

The use trinket for Mitigation

The best use trinket for mitigation?

[strong forum]

Tree mouths splinter

[oblique vault]

Ok, the one with absorb. Thanks

[bitter sparrow]

I can just do the weekly spark quest in heroic halls of infusion right? or does it need to be mythic?

[oak echo]

I think any difficulty. I didn't do it yet but the quest should say requires mythic if it did

[pulsar sedge]

Pretty sure you can just do it on normal lol

[south zealot]

i did it on normal

[torpid fiber]

im torn. the normal shoulders would give me four piece, the 415 strike twice is awesome in its own right, but my trinkets are 389/382 so that makes the normal all totem appealing. thoughts?

[deft socket]

Hold off on vault and run raid to see if shoulders drop?

[clever iris]

Heyo, new warrior here. If I have an m0 forgestorm should I still aim for the spark 1h or should I just get another piece?

[sick sentinel]

How bad/good is the all-totem of the master trinket?

[mighty valley]

All-round good

Not the tip top but takes no effort to provide good value

[cinder nova]

Am I crazy, does recrafting grant skill ups on spark gear?

I've done 12 recrafts on this shield and haven't gotten a single bump.

[smoky dock]

405 shield with armor spikes or 405 unstable belt without rings?

[cinder nova]

Belt is active when you aren't tanking

[mighty valley]

recrafting CAN give a skillup but doesn't show you the chance anywhere

[smoky dock]

They both give roughly 1% dps didnt know if belt gives little more or not

[cinder nova]

Is there any way to find out? Any eggheads dug it up?

Both are 1% DPS with uptime. You aren't always tanking. You are always hitting stuff.

Not a hard equation.

[smoky dock]

Lol not hard at all thanks

[slim dove]

fang > shield spike also

belt stats are kinda doodoo and without ring its same 1% as everything else.

[empty inlet]

are all emblishment prettty much equal or shoudl i get helm and belt

[modern brook]

Lariat is consistently the most

After that it's pretty whatever

[mighty valley]

for us, very close. lariat good, belt good if you have ring

[modern brook]

Go off meta to save some cash imo

[mighty valley]

but even lariat isn't very ahead

[eternal lotus]

is there a spesific raid build for prot warrior? just cant find one on the other stuff. and if so whats the main difference?

[dusky tusk]

WHat loot spec should i use in vault as Prot?

m+

Only

[true cairn]

How can i survive as Prot Warrior on Jade tempel Third boss Jade phase from the dot i get melted like idk what can someone pls help me?

[cinder nova]

What dot

[mighty valley]

i loot as prot when i need a shield, fury if i don't and need a weapon, arms if i don't need a 1h OR a shield and also want offspec weapons

[south zealot]

prot if you need shield

[south zealot]

use a defensive for every jade punch

jade phase needs to end asap

[empty inlet]

mostly healer fight but try to use stuff to migate some damage every one of them

[south zealot]

it hits really hatd

[fallow osprey]

How do I survive:
-TJS 3rd boss
-RLP 2nd boss
-AA Crawth

Answer:
PLAN YOUR COOLDOWNS. Don't use them all at once.
-TJS 3rd boss - Use SW/SR/Spell Block/DS + IP to mitigate initial hit, followed by IV/LS/Healthpot to help reduce healing absorb
-RLP 2nd boss - Searing Blows is a BLEED. Use Shield Block to block the initial hit and SW/DS/LS/IP to reduce the bleed damage (evoker/dwarf racial remove the bleed)
-Crawth - It's a BLEED. Same logic as RLP 2nd boss.

If needed be in DEFENSIVE STANCE

From pins

[south zealot]

oh new pin thats sick

[dusky tusk]

Its mostly the trinkets im worried about. Whetstone is only fury/arms lootspec. Scale is Prot (do i even want scale tho) shield and weapon i have crafted

[mighty valley]

I think people don't always get the flow of the TJS boss attacks too - strike > circle > waves

i would not be surprised if some of the people who are like "wtf i died" were actually getting hit by the other parts in a panic

[cinder nova]

Apparently it was nerfed by 60%

Cool blizz, thanks

[mighty valley]

yeah it was originally basically guaranteed

[cinder nova]

Nothing like grinding a rare proc material for hours or spending thousands of gold to get one skill up

[true cairn]

is there a chance its gonna be nerfed third boss in jade tempel or atleast fix the animation of the lines

[cinder nova]

The waves are entirely avoidable.

[fallow osprey]

Is the animation messed up? Haven’t noticed

[cinder nova]

Just kite her at the bottom of the steps and just Z-axis them

[hardy ridge]

Cant anymore

[cinder nova]

They changed it?

[fallow osprey]

Ya lol

[hardy ridge]

Its fixed

[cinder nova]

Fun detected

[fallow osprey]

Pulls the mobs from inside the door too, or at least that’s what happened to my group idk if related

[empty inlet]

thats dps increase...

[fallow osprey]

True! But unexpected lol

[true cairn]

yeah the animation of the weaves is fucked up for me they kinda spawn then they instan goes off

[hardy ridge]

You gotta move out instantly, if youre late youll have trouble reacting to the waves

[true cairn]

yeah but if they fix it its spawn like the same time at as the circle

[sick sentinel]

so ruby whelp shell is just completely useless is what im getting?

[deep spruce]

Aye

[toxic pewter]

when catalyst come out

[analog sparrow]

How does catalyst work btw. I'm a returning player, never had the catalyst before. Is it a difficult process or pretty much a gimme?

[south zealot]

you just talk to the thing and put in your item and get tier

kind of

[sick sentinel]

you take an applicable piece of gear in tier slots and spend points on it, we dont know the points yet or where to farm them

[south zealot]

usually takes a currency

“usually” as in the only time theyve ever had it used a currency

[analog sparrow]

Cool cool cool

[sick sentinel]

you can also switch other non tier slots into a fixed piece for the same thing

but its generally advised in shadowlands to do tier firstr

[analog sparrow]

Whaaat!

[mortal brook]

they indicated catalyst charges would be earned via weekly barfilling quest 👍

complete once, get a charge for each of your 70s

[sick sentinel]

like in SL there was a bunch of times i changed out my wrists and belts

doesn't work on jewlerly

[analog sparrow]

You can just swap to a certain bracer with the secondary stats you want?

[mortal brook]

catalyst changed items have fixed stats

[sick sentinel]

or like, if you can do jewlerly, rings and neck, you could do everything BUT trinket (obvious reasons)

TLDR its over powered

[tulip kelp]

Vers bracers are around same 1% as fang right?

[mortal brook]

yep all embellishes are mid

[sick sentinel]

i have 2 sparks but not sure how to do it, i want 2 embellisment min

[tulip kelp]

Yeah I wish I knew that before I crafted a second neck with my spark.. kick myself once a day at least

[mighty valley]

sparks are gonna start coming faster

[drifting fable]

thought you had to get them from drops after X weeks

[merry topaz]

hey guys trying to set up my prot warrior hotbars, what base or necessary-to-unlock other talents abilities do i never need to use so i can remove the binding clutter? tyty

[drifting fable]

whenever theyre done handing out the free ones

[gaunt igloo]

I was checking the pinned build/bis list, and noticed it suggests the raid rings that use the fire dmg proc. Anyone got any ideas how to proc them more often than the eranog trinket? enchant or consumable that deals fire damage?

[drifting fable]

dont bind ww or rend

[merry topaz]

any need ever for slam/execute?

[neon elk]

Frostfire belt

[drifting fable]

slam no exe yes

[dusky sentinel]

Hey guys. On Sadana in Shadowmoon B. Grounds. When she cast that dark eclipse. Can u charge her directly after u get the moon/Lunar purity or do u wait for the shadow to disappear?

[gaunt igloo]

nice catch, thanks

[ripe cave]

is the horn of valor trinket underrated for tanks?

[blazing condor]

not underrated

but not that good either

[ripe cave]

got a chance at 421 version of it, nothing else of any value in the vault

[blazing condor]

what trinkets you got atm

and also ilvl

if its a clear ilvl increase it can probably be better

either way

[ripe cave]

i simmed it, its fairly mixed.

fuck it. its a ilvl increase

[blazing condor]

double on use kinda yucky tho

but you already got that

[fluid ledge]

lets go

[craggy pilot]

YOOOOOO

47th run was the shitttttt

LEECH!!!

[fluid ledge]

nice gz

[blazing condor]

damn

honestly deserved

[craggy pilot]

now just 50 more runs for Whetstone

it was 49th run

[flat jackal]

are the rings from raid any good for m+ or raid? the one that either puts a fire dot or gives a shield

[vestal torrent]

which trinks to usse?

[blazing condor]

id use whetstone + decoration

but depends on how much you need defensives

you can always sim

[vestal torrent]

srry didnt show em all

[vestal torrent]

ty homie

[limber flame]

got 408 storm eater boon in vault simming the highest out of everything

[stark lance]

Is there a certain point at which into the fray is just fine to take? and what is that point?

[blazing condor]

boon is hella dps just a downside with the effect

[limber flame]

bout to go maelstorm trinket and storm eater boon for giga aoe pump

[weary notch]

oof @ my vault. Either a 408 Shield (currently 382) or 398 shoulders to give me 4 pc (current shoulders are 389). Would be an easier choice, but have to raid as arms with my guild (I tank M+)

[fallen lichen]

Shoulders. Spark shield.

[south zealot]

flip a coin

sacria is right tho

[blazing condor]

no chance on tier in raid?

but yeah sparking shield is probably worth and taking 4p

[weary notch]

There is chance, but I won 3 tier pieces last week and people were getting antsy about it

feel like I should lie low on gear this week

[fallen lichen]

Make sure to bring the same dice. Warrior like. Warrior roll.

[weary notch]

the 408 Shield is the Crystalized Bulwark, too. Haste > Vers

does the 4pc work like BV or is it not broken?

[fallen lichen]

I’d simply pick 4p and grind or craft a shield. But it’s your vault!

[craggy pilot]

arms

[grave flower]

Have people been crafting shield of the hearth or what

[craggy pilot]

Primal Molten Shield

[mighty valley]

not really, since having a fixed embellishment isn't flexible

[craggy pilot]

i crafted Primal Molten Shield week 1 with the Flavor Pocket

it cost me like 2k for the Flavor Pocket, and now its like 60k 😄

[grave flower]

Yeah that’s why I went with molten shield. Guildy was asking why I didn’t go hearth and I didn’t have a good answer lol

[mighty valley]

afaik bloodmallet maths is rarely good anyway

[weary notch]

lol, the what?

[mighty valley]

they're all ~1%, so close that stressing isn't worth it

just. have two. have fire one if you have fire ring. don't awkwardly corner yourself into not being able to take drops

[craggy pilot]

Alchemical Flavor Pocket

100% extra duration on food, and it lasts through death

unless u bought it week 1 for 2k gold 😄

[crimson snow]

anyone else "Show your mettle" quest not shopwing up this week?

[craggy pilot]

only problem is i put it on a shield, so i cant use it with my Arms raid spec 🤣

[weary notch]

Oh, sorry, I'm blind

[craggy pilot]

6 points off from KSH though

got to the point where im like "fk it ill do it tomorrow"

since tomorrow i just need to do a 17, then i got it 😄

[weary notch]

lariat counts as an embellishment, right?

[crimson snow]

Yes but food one doesnt

[weary notch]

oh, so I can have lariat + frostfire belt and still put flavor on something else?

[crimson snow]

yeah

[weary notch]

oh, nice, didn't know that

[ornate idol]

do i take a 415 Horn of valor from my vault to replace my 7/13 ilvl 395 blazebinder's Hoof or a 398 wrist to replace my 385 wrist?

[limber flame]

really wanted those 421 tier shoulders in vault sadge

[ocean bloom]

its really expensive on a lot of servers

[weary saddle]

Shield of Hearth is bad coz substats are fixed. Primal Molten Shield is better.

[weary notch]

can't be that expen... GOOD LORD

145k

[ocean bloom]

i got mine for 50k lol

last week

[weary notch]

holy christmas christ on a cracker

[ocean bloom]

they are a random drop from the feast lol

[steady steppe]

how beneficial is the 4set over 2set

[ocean bloom]

its good in M+ really meh in raid

[weary notch]

and is the 4 set broken like Brutal Vitality?

[ocean bloom]

and by good i mean its decent

[blazing condor]

So i know we shouldnt compare to top players but whats the reason #1 damage/pusher plays bloodborne? It doesnt exactly sim higher.

Tried it out in a key and got a top 15 log but i cant see it being better than the other stuff

Just curious what his rationale is

[ocean bloom]

more rage in big pulls less rage on bosses/small pulls

[weary notch]

bloodborne or bloodsurge?

[bleak solar]

What other places in M+ are good to have intervene for, other than fenrir p2?

[weary notch]

what were they giving up to take bloodborne?

[limber flame]

i dont think its too bad for the last boss in AV, can intervene to a dps to move without stacking debuff

[neon gulch]

I like intervene for TJs last boss, nokhud for teera and first area fixates. It’s also really good for spiteful week in general

[reef holly]

In the m+ 11-13 range, what overall dps should dps classes be doing?

[austere marsh]

I forgot about embellishments and crafted 418 shield of hearth while having bracers and lariat already XD

rip spark and infusion

[empty inlet]

just recraft and remove emblihsment

[inland raft]

they give up punish/bolster/spell block etc they are playing for pure damage and isnt really something to worry about even thinking of copying

[austere marsh]

I can remove it from preemebellished items?

[foggy drift]

I have crafted lariat and shield, what’s the next best thing to craft with embellishment

[austere marsh]

unlucky, I will probably replace wrists for time being then

[sick sentinel]

i still need 3 more points to do a 400 + craft

[weary notch]

I like frostfire belt, personally - procs those fire rings from vault

[sick sentinel]

3 of the mythic 11 things

[sand mason]

418 diurna ring with a socket or 421 tier hands (3pc) D:

[sick sentinel]

i dunno what i want to do for w second embeliishment item, but i want to recraft versa boot 100%

[sand mason]

Right D:

Turbo giga BiS items fml lol

I don’t. But, I’m ready to craft something this week

Lariat/wep/shield rn

Fuck. But 421 tier!!

And the ring can drop… I’ll never see that tier drop because I don’t mythic raid

[mystic fog]

whats the best talents for this grp?

[sand mason]

Some 402 mythic+ hands.

[jaunty canopy]

I cant find this information anywhere on the google. Does anyone know how often a darkmoon deck shuffles in combat? every 5 sec? 15? 30? something else?

[mystic fog]

yall got any nice prot macros?

[gusty panther]

Hello I was wondering with a friend if there is a reason why most war protec tend to pick a sword instead of an axe or a mace ? Same DPS, not the same min-max damage, same attack speed 👀

[summer eagle]

I would assume it's the sword that attacks twice

Strike Twice

[mighty valley]

There's no difference at all between weapon classes any more

[oblique drift]

Are the JC trinkets bad? The Idol of the Dreamer seems insane, but I never see anyone mention them so I assume there's something wrong with them.

[tender cove]

wow, just wow... Been in various AA keys troughout the week, started to really believe im just shit... just did a +15 where the entire group knew what to do. Was the most enjoyable key i've done all season, it was just amazing to run.

[mighty valley]

Sometimes there's a special weapon like strike twice but it's not like you have to spec into it or anything

If there's a trend it's probably honestly just because people think swords are cool

[mighty valley]

think it's always good to remember that the other players matter a lot in a multiplayer game lol

[wise oak]

372 decoration of flame or 382 all-totem with avoidance?

[tender cove]

Its also bit sad getting excited for people being able to use interupts and stuns but yeh. It was just noice, people stacked tree boss perfectly, whole group ran clockwise in tiny steps, grawth was just easy lol

[tender cove]

very true haha

[mighty valley]

people often come in here like "how can i make sure nothing ever goes wrong in a key regardless of whether the rest of the players are awake or not"

and sorry bud

only so much is in your control

[tender cove]

yeh, usually i have to focus so much on trying todo "everything" but that just stuns going out when needed, correct interupts, no overlapping etc. It was just beautiful lol

Im happy camper today

and we focused on getting almost entire guild in on 16-17s, worst run(i wasnt part of it) was a 2 HOUR long halls +16... so should be getting some nice keys tomorrow

[sweet dagger]

anyone here use bloodmallet to make charts?

[tulip egret]

Help:(

gloves, legs or ring

gloves and legs are 3 piece, prob get 4 piece tonight

[fluid ledge]

you raid tonight?

[tulip egret]

yeah, clear heroic then start mythic

[fluid ledge]

then choose after clear

would be sad if you get something you already have

[tulip egret]

lol true. I'll hold out then, thanks !

[fluid ledge]

[slow gazelle]

Is tier worth an ilvl drop? I’m 400 ilvl and got my first tier piece from vault today, but I really only do m+, so was wondering if it would be worth to just hop in rf or a normal to try to get my 2 piece

[cinder storm]

1p = 0p

[tame quest]

Honestly I havent been a fan of the tier set bonuses. Lets' take the 2 piece effect, 4% more damage and dmg reduction. Does that actually equal more benefit then saying wearing a 411 ilvl (12/13 mythic) mythic + gear? Probably not.

405 Tier armor vs 411 mythic plus gear. I'd choose the mythic plus gear

[slow gazelle]

That’s fair. I’ll just wait until catalyst comes out or if I get another lucky vault next week to get my 2nd piece then.

[sick sentinel]

can you not do the standard big pull on fort week in RLP pull 1

invited 380+ and we got smacked on the first room trash

[tame quest]

What ilvl was your tier piece?

[fading tide]

Lariat still BIS?

And if so what do I add to it

[warm plinth]

What do you mean add to it

[fluid ledge]

i guess what gems

[fading tide]

What’s stats?

[warm plinth]

haste/crit or haste/vers, whichever you prefer

or whatever sims better

And it's not really BiS. The embellishment is the same strength as most of the others.

[fluid ledge]

don't forget the main stat gem

if you can get it

[barren socket]

what is the stats in the tier gloves?

I can't find it anywhere the hell

[tame quest]

I thought Lariatt does not work on main stat gem?

[fading tide]

I got a 395 neck so I was gonna get a 405 lariat

[tame quest]

I have my main stat gem on another piece of armor socket

[warm plinth]

It doesn't, but that doesn't mean you can't put a main stat gem in it

[fluid ledge]

the gloves from raid have crit mastery

[weary saddle]

I prefer Molten Belt instead of Frostfire Belt. Haste is better. But kinda hard to find a good crafter for Molten Belt.

[hollow token]

Assuming it doesn’t make sense to hold onto Sparks seeing as we can recraft, yeah?

[royal rune]

do warr tanks have a heal to remove a grievous stack?

[jaunty canopy]

what do you guys think about this, 421 helm or a 415 helm with leech (3% worth)

[warm plinth]

Hey you guys, you remember when this happened? https://www.wowhead.com/news/tyrannical-mythic-affix-no-longer-affects-minion-health-in-shadowlands-316683

And yet...SBG last boss add

[compact jackal]

TIL

Tanks can't roll on Spiteful Storm

[fluid ledge]

wtf

[bitter sparrow]

Anyone have the egg route for heroic broodkeeper?

[tulip kelp]

1 -> 4 -> 7 -> 6, repeat

[fading tide]

You guys like the belt over the neck for spark?

[oak echo]

If you have the rings to go with it

No point in making it without

[fading tide]

The belt or the neck your talking about?

[oak echo]

You don't make the belt if you don't have either of the fire damage proc rings

The belt by itself is very mid

[compact jackal]

I lost the tier helm to the lowest dps

[mighty valley]

they need it more

[zinc spruce]

how can i see my speed on my character

[warm plinth]

Deja Character Stats shows it on the character screen for everything except Dragonriding.

[pallid quiver]

If they only had better gear/tier set, they could've pulled their DPS up

they'd have shown you

[tender cove]

you use elvui?

[rugged mural]

Am I reading this right that the you'll often do Rend > CSmash > Skullsplitter > Rend?

[tender cove]

doubtful as this is the prot chan

[rugged mural]

oops

[pallid quiver]

give csmash to prot

[compact jackal]

Ghash, decide for me

411 tier helm, or 418 bis cloak

3 set with elm

[torpid fiber]

can you use alchemist stone trinket as a non alchemist/

?

[compact jackal]

h rasz gave me fuck all

[fading tide]

Oof didn’t know I can’t equip the lariat if I already have the weapon and shield equipped

[tender cove]

its embelisments count, not crafted gear count.

I have shield, lariat and wep on me rn

[fading tide]

Which do you have the embellishment on the shield or weap?

[tender cove]

neither because im crafting fire waist

[fading tide]

How would I go about removing it?

[tender cove]

you'll have to recraft it without putting one on.

but beware, you can lower your ilvl this way.

[fading tide]

Oh god

[tender cove]

i'm 6 score away from 2k and I have the key I need but only 50 min todo it... TJS 15 😦

i want the upgrades 😦

[torpid junco]

Is belt embellishment worth it if I know I’ll never have the raid rings

[strong forum]

No

It's not better than any other embellishment if you never get the rings

[hardy snow]

i've made belt with first spark, still hoping to get the rings

[fading tide]

What gem u put in this lariat

[feral tiger]

im hard stuck on not getting a shield whats yalls opinon on shield of the hearth

[torpid junco]

I have a 392 shield and 392 belt as my 2 lowest slots. Which should I make? I’d prob put well fed embellish on since I have fangs on weapon and lariat

[buoyant narwhal]

shield

[torpid junco]

Primal molten belt seems attractive since it’s only way to get haste/vers belt

[vast rivet]

help. Weapon 402. boots 402, shoulders are Normal set.

[hardy snow]

you dont need haste/vers on every item, and its better to make shield, as its important part of our defence

[plain junco]

Question: Obsidian Seared Slicer or Primal Molten Longsword? Is it Longsword just because it's cheaper to craft?

Slicer: 345 - 717
Longsword: 396 - 664

[mighty valley]

just craft primal molten defender

[mighty valley]

take the mog you like, literally no practical difference

[warm plinth]

It literally does not matter

[stable valve]

sword cuz cheaper or for tmog

[plain junco]

Ok, ty! Wasn't sure if the weapon top end still mattered in skill damage or something

[mighty valley]

Not since like... 2008

[plain junco]

ya, been a while since i looked at min max.

Appreciate it tho, def slicer for tmog

[mortal brook]

weapon dps is normalized to attack power across our abilities yep

so whichever is fine, find the crafter specialized better into the thing

[plain junco]

either one is gonna help lol

[warm plinth]

I wanna specialize in TheSteve

[mortal brook]

nou

[fading tide]

How’s m+ feel with the different affix’s?

[tender cove]

same same but different.

[fading tide]

Do I need to tank the spiteful adds?

[mighty valley]

no, you can't, they fixate on one person

never on you

you can help slow/stun them

but generally you want to encourage everyone to kill the pack as cleanly as possible and move past the ghosts to the next pack

[warm plinth]

Realistically the group should just be positioning properly so that they can just run away from them

They die on their own

[mighty valley]

as stuff starts to die you can walk the stragglers towards the next pack so melee doesn't lose uptime just running away from ghosts

[mortal karma]

Should I spend my valor to upgrade my strike twice to max level (currently 6) or should I spend valor on rings or other bis items? Currently have max valor since I haven’t spent any yet since the start of the season

[warm plinth]

or just main outlaw like me and keep living your best life

[honest falcon]

Spitefuls still never go on tanks right?

[mighty valley]

ghash... traitor...

[warm plinth]

If you are not going to be able to get a better weapon via crafting or what have you, then sure. Better a weapon than a ring or something

[warm plinth]

Hey I play pwar too

[warm plinth]

Not unless the person they fixate dies. Then it will go on you by default.

[mighty valley]

i don't think i'd plow that much valor into that many levels because i'd be paranoid i'd get a higher level version on my next run/vault

but i'm a hoarder i guess

[warm plinth]

I went to upgrade my rogue's weapon the other day and forgot that there's a score requirement

My group laughed at me

[mighty valley]

yeah, i always forget with alts

especially the ones where i just kinda casually help low keys for other alts and never really raise score

[warm plinth]

I'm not even doing 20s on my main rn. Season is off to a slow start; work has been 😴

Night shift life is rough

[mighty valley]

yeah same i'm not cranking, trying to get my group consistent

[ebon elk]

When can we start converting mythic gear into tier gear?..

[warm plinth]

not next reset but the one after

[ebon elk]

uggh

[oak heart]

so the 24th/25th?

[warm plinth]

mmhm

[oak echo]

there's a wowhead article that said next week but idk if anyone knows where they got that from or just a typo

[warm plinth]

Not sure. But Blizzard said it was 6 weeks after raid start, which would be the 24th

[oak echo]

right

[warm plinth]

I guess we can all just be pleasantly surprised if it comes next week

[oak heart]

do we know what the mats are gonna be to change to the sets?

[warm plinth]

Nope

I'm gonna be kinda mad if we have to pay a currency honestly, considering we had to wait so long and we only get 1 charge per week

and we have to do activities to unlock the charges

[oak echo]

they've said it's just a charge system that accumulates account wide but beyond that i don't think they've said for sure

yeah i would hope the activities to build the charges are the currency replacement

[ornate thunder]

Is thunderlord worth it on council?

[oak heart]

maybe 1 charge from the weekly quest? I'd be okay with that

[warm plinth]

You do only get one charge

[oak heart]

but then theres not really a catch up mechanic for alts

[warm plinth]

It's just like SL

Charges accumulate

And alts start with however many charges you've gotten so far

The difference is that we won't ever gain charges faster like we did in SL (though tbf we got so many charges in SL we didn't know wtf to do with them)

[oak heart]

transmog 😛

sometimes converting non-set pieces gave better stats

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but I still had like

68 charges or some shit at the end of SL

[oak echo]

yeah by the time we were getting more than 1 a week there was no reasn to use them again lol

[full venture]

395 All-totem trinket or 402 Decration of flame?

[toxic pewter]

why not both

[full venture]

already have Blaze hoof

[icy adder]

how can I convince my RL to put me in windfury group

[pallid quiver]

what the fuck is it with DPS today and running smack fucking dab into extra pulls

It's worse than usual

is this what reset day is like

[warm plinth]

they gotta run away from spiteful 😏

[pallid quiver]

i'd accept that if it wasn't mid pull

something's gotta die first

[warm plinth]

they gotta run away from the future of getting a spiteful? idk

I got nothin

[hardy snow]

they were preparing themself

[pallid quiver]

and that ain't happening that fast with their dps

I haven't had a single positive experience today in keys, which is impressive; it's not even negative bias

the hell got into everyone's pants today

bruh

that key quit before we even started

"gg can't clear with this comp"

[toxic pewter]

what ilvl is blazehoof? But yeah I mean I would prob run the decoration of flame over all-totem, but I do like all-totem a lot, just would rather take the higher ilvl decoration I guess

but I would try and get a heroic all-totem

[slim dove]

Heroic all.totem Is usually 3.5-5% my overall

Depends on the key

[lusty narwhal]

Is there a place to get Pikas ui? I like his big Rage Bar that has an Ignore Pain bar right below it\

[viral axle]

is seal of diurna's chosen worth it? should i craft unstable frostfire belt as well?

[slim dove]

The dmg ring? Yup. Great combo. Send it

[toxic pewter]

I want that ring and I would run with belt for sure

[hollow token]

sorry if this has been answered before... thought i'd try again... is there a point to holding on to sparks? given that we can recraft?

[sand pebble]

no reason to bank them if gold isnt an issue for you

[hollow token]

okay, i thought so... but i was being paranoid

thanks

[tender cove]

I've asked this 3 times now but nobody seems to have an answer for me. How good is decoration of flame defensivly? And what would you pair it with? whetstone or hoof? Or something else?

[gritty glen]

Anyone else have trouble with pugs butt pulling literally everything in CoS?

I try so hard to stick to a route

[tender cove]

yes, 9/10 runs, to the point i adjusted the pulls to include the butt pulls

[gritty glen]

Good idea

[fading isle]

Its Blaze hoof better trinket that others?

[sand pebble]

its 2 shields and damage, its nice - pair with icon for stat stick, whetstone great ST/grieftorch for aoe, spiteful storm good passive damage, all totem amazing and imo bis due to the buffs it gives

[gritty glen]

In my last Rasz kill, DoF was 2.75% DPS and 6.3% healing.

[full venture]

im running hoof and DoF and i love it

[tender cove]

That big huh? 😮

Ive been running whetstone and hoof and I just feel like I want smt to fall back on defensivly more and more

[gritty glen]

Yea I love DoF

The on use animation is goofy looking but that doesn't matter

[pallid quiver]

That's part of what I was just complaining about

I usually try to include the buttpulls whenever I notice a group doing them

This doesn't always work, because groups will do their damndest to prove to you just what they can buttpull

There should not be 4 guardian constructs in the first pull at the start of the dungeon (ignoring solo add #1)

[weary saddle]

its difficult to find a good craftsman for Primal Molten Belt. Lots of Frostfire, but very seldom Primal Molten.

its strange cos i'd think most people prefer haste/versatility

[tender cove]

Just curious, how would a shield work on jade 3rd boss?

would it count as healing, absorbing it instantly?

or would it just prevent additional damage but not counting towards the heal absorb?

[sand pebble]

oh?

[sick sentinel]

17 % leech

[sand pebble]

yeah my bad i need to lose it for haste/vers

[sick sentinel]

sounds like fun, bet all that 7% comes from enchants and 1 peice of gear with a tert

[tender cove]

I have 32% haste xD

[sick sentinel]

i have 7.5% avoidance, so im happy with that, 10% would be where i stop

[sand pebble]

2 slots*

[tender cove]

eu back up again

[sick sentinel]

time for nomer loot rage soon

[ivory cairn]

open as protection or arms hmmmmmmmmm

[cunning viper]

Anyone else experiencing sudden disbands in keys?

[sick sentinel]

99% of times i open as for my spec

whatever i play the most as

[ivory cairn]

I would love some good dps trinkets tho

and I have crafter weapon, but could also use a shield

:<

or I could craft shield with new spark hmm

[sick sentinel]

2 sparks myself personally, but don't have mats for em

can get 1 m+11 crafted in 2 dungeons

[gaunt oar]

does this target a player, or is it random?

[gaunt oar]

yup, we were rolling heroic eggnog loot and lost a couple pieces

[tender quartz]

Would I wanna open my vault as Prot or Arms... Dunno if I want the Kurog Trinket or the Maelstrom :/

[ivory cairn]

same here

[sick sentinel]

i was having issue of

gameplay was fine, FPS was fine, gameplay input seemed to be fine

but if i typed into chat there was a 45 second delay

[tender quartz]

I read about raids and M+ disbanding on Tarren Mill ( or Twisting? ) couple days ago if that's what you're experiencing, didn't read entire chat

[sick sentinel]

I wish there was auto translate forwards backwards in base wow, and if it detects someonse speaking french or spanish say (lots of qeubec players and we cant pretend like we don't know about raganaros)

its like, it would solve so many communication issue

[fervent herald]

tier pieces very important for mythic +?

[reef holly]

Anyone else having issues with dps not clearing the thundering affix? Been stunned quite a few times now.

[digital frigate]

You are important to M+

[oak heart]

there was a 20-30 min delay for group chat 😛

[tender quartz]

Oh I just read the thing about "anyone else experiecing sudden disbands" from andres

my bad

[warm plinth]

Not to the point where it's required to have it but it is good for M+, yes.

[tender quartz]

Any of you with 4P yet ( duh, of course ) and can tell if we can feel it in the 19-20 Range?

[novel shore]

should i pick up a 408 wep, or 398 tier m+ chest? considereing i can craft the 408 wep this week i should go with chest ye?

[warm plinth]

yeah

well

Yeah, take chest. Because if you're getting 408 from vault you can't upgrade past that anyway

[last mason]

is there actually a group disband bug happening

or is that bs

[south zealot]

yes its happening

[toxic pewter]

ngl this week is pretty difficult for healers as far as I can tell so far

[warm plinth]

It seems to be related to the instance server issue and involves cross-faction groups?

[sick sentinel]

are you kidding me lmfao

there is a bug that is disbanding peoples keystones, if i understand correctly

[south zealot]

its disbanding all groups it seems

doesnt seem to be cross faction related

[sick sentinel]

wel

[warm plinth]

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

that and grevious, i think imma log out till tuesday 10 am

[south zealot]

grievious is easy

[warm plinth]

sounds like a healer affix

[sick sentinel]

its an everyone affix, its a nothing affix if ppl don't stand in shit

[odd tree]

had a 14 rlp disband 25% into first boss

like 3 groups in the guild dropped mid run

[sick sentinel]

literal 0% chance im attempting any keys at all until something happen then

[south zealot]

dont do keys right now

[warm plinth]

you're right, there's so unavoidable group damage this season amirite

so little*

[sick sentinel]

if nobodies stood in shit, the healer should have no issue healing through "unavoidable"

[digital frigate]

ok eu soon it is time for our vault

summoning luck

[odd tree]

i honestly thought it was a lfr/dungeon que issue

one hell of a fuck up as no new content launched today

[sick sentinel]

same with like how on TJS 3, you have to use your CD's one at a time and have healer ready, same crap with the dps

they pepega 4 live longer defensive cds, for 8 seconds, and then die after

[warm plinth]

That's not the point. It's still something that increases healer difficulty this week. You can't avoid grievous.

[sullen lichen]

For TJS on 3rd boss. save all cds for pretty much sub 70% right? serpent kick > spell reflect > kick > wall > kick > bloster?

[sick sentinel]

its very good as a punishment affix, like how teeming or necrotic was

[sullen lichen]

right?

[sick sentinel]

overbearing, yeah, but it can be over come

[warm plinth]

What the heck is a "punishment affix" and if it's what I think it is, how are teeming and necrotic even comparable to grievous in that regard? Like you can argue that you can make grievous worse by playing badly, but that goes for dungeons in general. Teeming and necrotic were not even partially avoidable

[sick sentinel]

urh is totally a boon, grevious does nothing at all helpful

[limber python]

for azure vault is it better to do the route where u pull the 2 alert mobs or just go through it normal

[cosmic chasm]

it's also in pins

[sick sentinel]

it only serves to punish if you screw it up

[cinder nova]

Prayed to Jesus

[sick sentinel]

sounds about right, but wrong class really, should be paladin

[sand pebble]

legit strats

[patent hull]

If I'm not looking for a shield or 1h would it be better to just open the vault under fury/arms loot spec?

[sand pebble]

depends on what trinkets you are targeting

i loot as arms for dps trinkets and i dps in raids

[cosmic chasm]

arms only

[tame coral]

should I craft a 418 shield or 1h wep? wep is 392, shield is 402

[cosmic chasm]

fury still rolls 1h on the tablke

[tender cove]

2 last pugs of the week, just amazing. From saying "we try to time it but just complete", to 2 chest +15 jade temple.
But i died last pack before last boss and I have no idea what I did wrong

and it happened last time too

just like, almost oneshot

what do you do?

[jagged ferry]

Last pack on Fortified sucks

Need good CC and Spell reflect Dark Claws

[tender cove]

its still tyr for eu

[runic cosmos]

im seeing alot of back and forth, what weapon enchants do you guys go for m+?

[median tulip]

The last pack before the boss is a killer; Put Spell Reflect up and hope to get lucky with Dark Claws, or bring Spell Block

[jagged ferry]

Advice remains the same, if its getting dicey jump away and kite.

[median tulip]

The general thinking is that the pure stat buff one is boring, but practical

[tender cove]

okok, need to be better to remember switching to things like spell block for each dungeon.

[runic cosmos]

yea because im seeing frozen devotion

or wafting devotion

and not entirely sure

[weary saddle]

i refer wafting devotion...cos i love haste

[median tulip]

Various people will advocate for Wafting, Frozen or Sophic; Sophic is the one I personally would go for

[weary saddle]

prefer*

[floral sluice]

Hey all, just swapped to prot war for my raid team, wat stats are best right now for it? And are there any bosses I should take specific talents for in raid that help more or is it just a general build for all the fights? Did a couple heroic bosses tonight but didn't feel I was doing as much as I could have been...any advice is greatly appreciated

[median tulip]

Block Value > Strength > Haste > rest

[stable frigate]

wowhead says the BIS rings are the ones that proc when you do fire damage. seal of diurnas chosen and seal of fillial duty. The only fire damage I can think I would do is the trinket decoration of the flame also bis on wowhead. Seems odd a 2 min trink for those rings is paired?

There is a belt called unstable frostfire belt that randomly does frostfire damage. Would this proc the rings and is this a smart item to get crafted?

[tawny kiln]

the belt procs them

it's a good belt bront

[median tulip]

The Belt/Rings/Trinket combo sims well; I can't speak to anything more than that because I don't have it

[stable frigate]

tysm guys

[midnight burrow]

so uh- got enough for one 405->418. Do i do shield sword or lariat first

all are 405

[digital frigate]

IDK what others would tell you but I personally went for shield

[tawny kiln]

I would do shield

then sword

[bleak sage]

any suggestions on what I should craft? Debating on shield or helmet but I can't make up my mind

I only have 1 spark

[toxic pewter]

shield imo

u want tier helmet anyway

[frank hemlock]

engi bracers for giga stats

[last mason]

no word on the m+ bug yet?

[rain adder]

What bug?

[grim grotto]

for m+. it makes more sense to loot vault as dps right ? as far as i know there are no omega pewpew tank trinkets ?

[south zealot]

bug wehre groups are being dropped

its effecting raid too

just happened to me

[quick fossil]

i have had it in group finder while trying to make a group it just drops you out

[tender cove]

guys

first time, i need help with vault choose

its the tier head right?

[last mason]

yes

[tender cove]

or do i take cape?

[last mason]

cape ew

take head

[tender cove]

sounds solid

[warm plinth]

grieftorch though D:

[tender cove]

that ol thing, who needs that? 😛

[warm plinth]

Give it to me then

I want it

[tender cove]

ok, you can have it bro

its kinda insane though, the luck i've had with trinkets, now with grief, i have all of them except incarnate

bit sadge abou the tier head though, im wearing 385 lfr set now 😦

[smoky dock]

Thoughts on whispering icon M+ worth running or focus on other trinkets?

[tender quartz]

Do I go Arms Lootspec for Storm-Eaters Boon / Maelstrom COS Trinket or do I go Prot for Grimtotem Tank Trinket? ...

[tender cove]

depends what you want?

[tender quartz]

Oh my god

I am so blind

[warm plinth]

It's worth using if other people have it

[atomic inlet]

i have a hard deccision to make guys help me

[tender quartz]

They share the same Icon

They go Incarnate not Totem of the All Master

[atomic inlet]

trinket or leg 😄

damn trinket is good

[hasty field]

quick question guys
Does it make sense to take a super shitty item from the vault for the slot I'm willing to use my catalyst for next week?
I mean, does it keep its lvl?

[smoky dock]

@warm plinth Yep gotcha thank you

[warm plinth]

Catalyst is not until the 24th. And the item will keep its ilevel, tertiaries, socket, and upgrade path (e.g. M+ items will still be upgradeable to 415 even after conversion).

[tender quartz]

Okay, had my 411 4P inside, no Trinket so I don't feel bad 🤭

[hard shell]

hello again sir
may i ask what keybind you using for this class ?

[hasty field]

so a chest from 20th key is the max tier piece item I can possibly get from m+ using a catalist on it?

[warm plinth]

yes

[hasty field]

great, you're the best, Ghash ❤️

[warm plinth]

I try ❤️

[scarlet saffron]

What do you mean?

[tender cove]

how strong is it? I feel bit meh about it because its normal ilvl and even if they'll probably try make argument about giving it to dps. Maybe worth waiting from heroic raid drop? The tier is 30 ilvl upgrade
And it will take probably 2-3 resets to get razzy on farm for that head, that's still 18 ilvls lower.

[hard shell]

the hot key you using, most of people using number key for spells

[atomic inlet]

what do u think guys ? is trinket better than my 4 set?

[warm plinth]

it's very strong. Frequently 10-15% of my tank's overall DPS

[warm plinth]

I'd probably go for the trinket if you need one badly. 4-set isn't as important as 2-set and we'll have catalyst in a couple weeks anyway.

[scarlet saffron]

Yeah i mean i use some numbers, letters near wasd, shift and control modifiers, and mouse buttons. Nothing crazy

[tender quartz]

Frostfire Belt or Spikes? :/

[atomic inlet]

have this 2 so far

[warm plinth]

Sim it, but all embellishments are very similar in damage

Is that that fucking seed trinket

Or is it scale

[tender quartz]

With the exception that Frostfire Belt makes me eligible for that one Raid Ring right?

[warm plinth]

I can't tell on this tiny screen kek

[brisk surge]

yo is the 4 tier buff anygood?

[hard shell]

tnx sir, i got small hands, wanted to know some expert opinion ❤️

[warm plinth]

It's essentially 5% leech, albeit absorb instead of healing

[tender cove]

ohh no, head will repleace lfr tier set at 385.
I have big array of trinkets. 411 whetstone/hooz, 395 horn and ruby heroic

[warm plinth]

No I was replying to Wendiego for that haha

[atomic inlet]

its all totem of master

[warm plinth]

orrect

[atomic inlet]

not the whipering 😦

[warm plinth]

No, the top one

Not the bottom

[atomic inlet]

ye

Granyth's Enduring Scale

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'd replace that with decoration

All-totem is really strong, in keys anyway. You should be happy about it lol

[tender cove]

ghash

[warm plinth]

🫣

[atomic inlet]

ow ok

[tender cove]

so grieftorch and dof for a bit standard setup then

[atomic inlet]

i run this week raids befor opening maybe i got the trinket from raid who knows 😄

[tender cove]

the tier head is more me wanting to get above 400 ilvl xD

but yeh, ive read in here how stupid i would be to avoid it xD

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch/Whetstone is my dream

But I won't get grieftorch so

Just gotta be sadge

[warm plinth]

That's a good idea

[brisk surge]

is it not worth do use 398 tier sets over 421 items just for the 4 set buff?

[tender cove]

I'd legit trade it in second if i could, just for you, because I know how happy it would make you bro ❤️

[warm plinth]

I don't think I'd drop ilevel at all for the 4-set tbh

[delicate nest]

Currently got 3 set, will get heroic chest this week. Have 421 crit/haste gloves. I guess I take the ring as I doubt i'll get fire dmg one for a while and it out sims cobalt assembly

[warm plinth]

like it's probably fine to drop a little but that'd be too much for me

[warm plinth]

sounds fine, though fwiw remember we get catalyst in a couple weeks so you could convert that 421

[dire matrix]

421 wep

:Pog

[warm plinth]

Hi I hate you

[zinc spruce]

what should i get

the hands i think

[warm plinth]

2pc

For sure

[dire matrix]

hi 🙂

its dubious handaxe

never strike twice!

[cinder roost]

Do you guys open your vault as Fury or as Prot?

[dire matrix]

prot

unless you have weapon and shield

[tawny kiln]

just shield*

you can get 1 hander from fury

[cinder roost]

F shield, gimme some trinket :D, weapon is a gamble though, one day a 2H's gonna pop

[tawny kiln]

50% of my vault slots were 2handers this week

😦

[cinder roost]

So annoying that some trinket are gated

Damn @tawny kiln

[warm plinth]

You can also get 2h from fury so...

[cinder roost]

Didn't open mine yet

[dire matrix]

weapon is most important

[cinder roost]

Weapon is craftable though

Not bis ilvl sure

[tawny kiln]

yea but if you have a shield already then a 2hander is basically equal to a shield, both slots you don't want

[cinder roost]

True

[unique shale]

this is my only chance i have ( i already have 4 set )

[dire matrix]

trinkets are upgradeable not bis ilvl sure

same logic

😂

[cinder roost]

Stats on cloak?

[unique shale]

crit mastery

[cinder roost]

Suck to get a cloak but still gotta take one someday

[unique shale]

sims are all for clock

[cinder roost]

Ouch

[unique shale]

[modern folio]

weapon angle right? already have 4 set btw

both rings are exactly the same pretty much

high crit low mastery

[cinder roost]

Would take Weapon yep

[earnest nymph]

for those of you that are doing the jump down route for AV, when you go to fight the 4x fury pack after 1st boss

what is the strat for living that

I'm assuming you need many stuns in the group, and maybe need to pick one or two to burn down quickly

[modern folio]

spell block / aoe stops / nuke it / pray

[earnest nymph]

yep

[modern folio]

could also los it on a corner

but that can go south easy aswell

[earnest nymph]

I was doing spell block, wall 1, wall 2, cry, pray

crying surprisingly effective

[junior jolt]

Hi all, what do you think I should go for in vault for prot?
421 Tier legs or 421 Strike Twice (I have 418 crafted wep haste vers with phys dmg embelish)

[warm plinth]

Does tier leg give you a bonus or?

[junior jolt]

No, it would be my 3/5

[modern folio]

421 strike twice

[warm plinth]

I'd go weapon then

[modern folio]

100%

since next week is catalyst

[warm plinth]

week after next

pretty sure wowhead just figured the date wrong in their article

[modern folio]

oh true my bad it's the 25th

[cinder roost]

Do you want to be hated? Cause that's how you become hated :D, grats on weapon @junior jolt

[junior jolt]

Well I tank m+ and feel the tier legs are better and strike twice stats are crap

[dire matrix]

strike twice

strikes twice tho

[cinder roost]

Yeah but set will obtainable other ways

Strike twice you might never see again, if you care about THIS weapon

[warm plinth]

Weapon DPS is the only stat that matters on a weapon

And none of our stats are crap so

[junior jolt]

Hmm ill have to think about it, I think long term its the weapon

[rain adder]

how good that is ring for prot? I have the fire belt

[junior jolt]

since its fortified week and I wanna do some 22/23 keys I feel the haste vers on the legs and being 421 will go some ways

[cinder roost]

Do you have an embelish on your current weapon?

[junior jolt]

Yes i have embelish on 418 wep

[cinder roost]

You would gain one

By taking weap

[junior jolt]

Yeah thats what im thinking longterm, that would be the benefit - I dont have any of the fire proc rings but yeah I guess the fire proc belt would be on the table then?

[modern folio]

verse bracers aswell

[junior jolt]

I got the engi ones made

[warm plinth]

last time I checked it was like 2.2ish% overall from heroic ring? Something around there

[dire matrix]

its good

idk why you wouldnt take a 421 weapon

[warm plinth]

IT'S BAD STATS OKAY

[iron lagoon]

367ilvl and first vault get shit upgrade on 3 slots, that and 3rd world boss giving nothing. See ya in 15 wiping because shit group because shit ilvl

[dire matrix]

actually cooked

it has strike twice

[warm plinth]

@dire matrix my woyer got 402 weapon today

[dire matrix]

its bis

huge

[warm plinth]

old one was 353

[dire matrix]

gonna clear heroic then see what i craft

and last 2 normal maybe

[fervent herald]

is there a shield block ignore pain macro?

[dire matrix]

please do not do that

[cinder roost]

^

[warm plinth]

Babies cry when you macro Shield Block to things

Do you want to make babies cry

[delicate iron]

Add revenge to it as well for mega rage dump cast ^^

[rain rapids]

When it comes to engi bracers with the vital correctors, what does the rank of the Tinker impact?

[warm plinth]

Failure rate I'd imagine

[dire matrix]

easyness to craft?

idk

[rain rapids]

Can anyone say for certain its the failure rate, cuz that's what i thought as well but kinda want to be 100% on that

[dire matrix]

most of my worst slots are tier

maybe raid pays me out

[warm plinth]

From what I can find, no one seems to know for sure

[loud hull]

yoo how big is 4set actually for prot?

[warm plinth]

It's pretty solid. Basically gives you 5% leech but as an absorb instead of a heal

[loud hull]

yea my vault on warrior is sucky anyway.

just get the 4 set

ty

[dire matrix]

but also is good with our talent

[warm plinth]

Your mom's good with her talent

gottem

[dire matrix]

i need to analyse my logs

93 eranog

like i actually suck

surely its just bad trinkets

[zinc spruce]

god

like

[limber charm]

Greetings everyone!Im wondering on vault stuff and i was thinking what to get.Im split between 2 options.Trinket w/ leech OR clear normal and/or hc to see what set drops and pick the missing set?

[dire matrix]

clear

[warm plinth]

We already knew that though

[dire matrix]

my dh logs are good

.>

[warm plinth]

Yeah because you're the only dh; we've been over this

[dire matrix]

bro

theres like at least 20 good dhs

[dire matrix]

AT LEAST

[warm plinth]

When you passing DH M+ score though

[dire matrix]

today?

tmrw

soon

[warm plinth]

:pog:

[dire matrix]

idk im overcapping rage for sure

in heroic

[sinful root]

do you guys think I should replace 402 non tier shoulders with 398 tier or 20 ilvl upgrade and get spellbane cutlass ?

[dire matrix]

cuz u dont need to press ip

[warm plinth]

the weapon is 20 ilevel upgrade?

[dire matrix]

i should spend just to spend

but that kind of is weird

[warm plinth]

You're spending for that sweet sweet Avatar uptime

[dire matrix]

yeah for sure

[sinful root]

yes and its better stats haste and verse on 415 crit and haste on 395 axe

[warm plinth]

Yeah weapon for sure

[sinful root]

weap over 4 piece

?

[warm plinth]

Easily

Even if it was 2pc I'd take weapon tbh. Tier won't even be a concern in a couple weeks

[sinful root]

true

[dire matrix]

🙏

[warm plinth]

🙏

[dire matrix]

rolled really well on 2 trinkets and lost

😭

[remote dawn]

same hands from 411 to 421 or trinket hoof 418 ( have wightstone 415 and scale 398)

[warm plinth]

rip

hoof, replace scale

[deep spruce]

Co-tank weakauras pack is great for showing my co-tanks debuffs.... is there one that can show mine in a similar size and fashion?

[remote dawn]

rly?^^

[warm plinth]

really really

[dire matrix]

some1 got both tier and both trinkets

isnt that not meant to happen

[warm plinth]

No it can happen because Blizzard is a moron

[desert timber]

Has anyone else experienced your stance randomly dropping? I can't figure out why its happening in the middle of huge pulls in keys.

[steady steppe]

P sure mine was doing it on fury

Or maybe I just forgot

[warm plinth]

Sure you're not fatfingering the button?

[steady steppe]

I don't have stance bound on fury

[warm plinth]

I meant @desert timber, might be a different issue.