protection

[sleek maple]

And 2nd boss for RLP if your dps bait poorly

[warm plinth]

someone stands on you/you stand on someone

You should lose it though

[compact jackal]

I'm going to pull the house, the beacon, the mana wyrms, both constructs, and you can't stop me

[warm plinth]

The only person that should have it is the healer

[swift spire]

Thanks. Does Intervene work, for instance on a brain dead melee? Just thinking outloud

[compact jackal]

why would you willingly get hit by spiteful tho

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but that's not optimal because then you have to stay in close proximity to them

[hybrid hull]

On higher keys you have to plan your CDs carefully, you will have SR for each one which is 20%, I usually SR/DS the first shield of light, wall/SR the next, then SR/DS again, then Spell block, then SR/DS again then wall will be back up

[warm plinth]

And they shouldn't be getting hit anyway

[fallen pulsar]

double SW is nice for tyrannical hyrja

[swift spire]

Roger that

[fallen pulsar]

but not necessary

[compact jackal]

Oh, can anyone confirm if the 2500 rating item works on non-mythic/elite sets?

[bronze pasture]

thanks

[fallen pulsar]

the adding effects one?

[compact jackal]

ye

[fallen pulsar]

I thought that was the whole point, it adds it to non-mythic sets

[warm plinth]

You should have wall for every other shield approximately

[compact jackal]

good

I refuse to not wear the heroic tier

it's blue

I'm a draenei

it's destiny

[loud patrol]

im so close to pay for a factio change and go dark iron dwarf

[fallen pulsar]

personally like the normal mode colors the most

[warm plinth]

I'm thinking about going dwarf

[charred ivy]

hey, whats actually the trigger for azure vault last boss orbs? ive read many dif answer

[fathom robin]

Any reason to use rend? or due to the way prot talents are setup, its another remove from the bar ability?

[warm plinth]

Reaching 100 energy

[warm plinth]

Remove it from your bar

[fallen pulsar]

delete from bar

[hybrid hull]

rend with thunderclap

[charred ivy]

i mean . healer can bait the balls or something ive heard?

[compact jackal]

based on healing aggro iirc

[warm plinth]

They tend to chase the person with the most healing threat, which will either be you or the healer

[lyric kettle]

I've heard it goes to people with highest stacks of the movement debuff

[charred ivy]

but i read some say healer aggro. some say its based on range who they follow. some say stacks

[compact jackal]

so you have a high fucking chance to get balls chasing you

[warm plinth]

This is not the case

[lyric kettle]

the internet... lied???? 😮

[amber siren]

I don't think it's been confirmed to be healing aggro either

[compact jackal]

Here's how you do the dragon: a guide by me

[charred ivy]

hence my confusion haha xD

[compact jackal]

Pray the balls don't chase you all fight

pray to god

[warm plinth]

I mean, we tested the shit out of it when it was suspected and it is definitely healing aggro

[compact jackal]

pray to satan

pray to anything

[amber siren]

I'm not saying it's stacks either, but I wouldn't say 100% unless you can prove it

[loud patrol]

dont use IP

[hybrid hull]

You can use thundering to help with the debuff as well

you can't be slowed while you have thundering

[lyric kettle]

Ooh, that's good to know.

[charred ivy]

yeah this i know. also in our case can leap etc if they come

[compact jackal]

chases you after leap while it's on CD

[warm plinth]

To be clear, you still keep/generate stacks while thundering is active. It's just suppressed while the buff is on you.

[charred ivy]

priest can pull u and so on. but just wanted know how the core mechanic work

[fallen pulsar]

you can also intervene to allies

[compact jackal]

It's a terrible mechanic ngl

[fallen pulsar]

as an extra out

[warm plinth]

You can apparently cheese it but it's not really something you could do in a pug anyway so 🤷

[hybrid hull]

Is that not fixed yet?

Assuming you mean snapshotting it up to platform

[warm plinth]

No, talking about forcing the shards to interrupt the cast

If he gets 100 energy and you push him past 75/50/25%, he'll stop casting the orb spell and cast shards instead, but still spend the energy

[lyric kettle]

Also, about how much on average are you guys absorbing with Ignore Pain in a key? I did a 14 COS with 2.28m absorbed with Ignore Pain, 866k with Decoration of Flame (~3.15m overall) and was told by a random rogue to "hit Ignore Pain once jfc"

(I'm very hinged and not at all tilted about this)

[hybrid hull]

for a 20 azure vault my IP did 20m

[warm plinth]

Mmm, I mean, that's probably kinda low. I would check your logs because I'd put money on the fact that you're overcapping rage.

[charred ivy]

do ppl actually snap it up tho in keys?

[lyric kettle]

That's good to know for a benchmark, thanks.

[hybrid hull]

I tried to once and it just beat my ass from below lmao

[lyric kettle]

I feel like I had the opposite problem for that one, I felt super rage-starved

[inland mesa]

my vault betrayed me need hive mind input
418 shield from my 415 with spark, or titan signet for 250 dps and bis ring for the tier?

[hybrid hull]

I've seen vids of it being done in high keys though

[charred ivy]

yeah seen some videos also, never tried

[warm plinth]

I think the "common" strat is the tank stands up on the side of the cliff/hill so the orbs can't hit them

[amber siren]

If you're rage starved then you might be dumping IP when you're already capped, but that's something you'd need logs for

[lyric kettle]

(Also, I don't have my 4 pc yet so I feel like that would be a huge increase on its own)

[lusty narwhal]

Should I open my vault as prot in hopes for a shield or tanking trinket, or should I open it as arms in hope for good dps trinkets and just craft a shield?

[hybrid hull]

I don't either, and I wasn't running brutal vit in that 20

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter to me

[hybrid hull]

so that IP is purely from rage

[warm plinth]

Either option is valid

[forest tulip]

im gonna lose my mind trying to grind +11 to get 8 more primal focus so i can upgrade my pants

[lyric kettle]

thank you all for the help! I was not running logs, but will do so in the future and dig a bit deeper.

[lusty narwhal]

Is there anything worth opening vault as prot for other than shield?

[amber siren]

1h weapon?

[lusty narwhal]

I have crafted

[hybrid hull]

Do you use weak auras or anything that you can easily see your current IP shield amount? @lyric kettle

[warm plinth]

tank trinkets if you raid?

[lusty narwhal]

What tank trinkets?

[lyric kettle]

I had found an IP WA but couldn't get it working - do you have one you recommend?

[warm plinth]

All-totem and decoration are both pretty solid trinkets

[sleek maple]

Mythic trinket from first boss if you are getting mythic vault option but that's AFTER getting a 421 icon.

[lusty narwhal]

I raid heroic and just do double dps trinkets

[warm plinth]

All-totem does very good damage in keys

[lusty narwhal]

Can icon drop under mythic? Or just raid vault?

[warm plinth]

Raid vault

[dense iris]

I only do m+, I have a crafted shield & weapon but lacking in trinkets. Do I open vault as prot?

[reef holly]

do the doors next to CoS entrance always open once you kill first boss and head to the courtyard?

[warm plinth]

No

Open as arms

[sleek maple]

Opening as arms with 2 options is 1/6 for icon vs prot is like 1/7 or 8? But also for prot you are wasting slots if you have crafted so for me, opening as prot spec is inting my raid options

[stable valve]

411 grieftorch or 418 chest w/ leech for the catalyst

I feel like

[lusty narwhal]

My raid vault will be 402 I will have 2 421 and 1 428 options I feel like there's no way I take anything under raid this week

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch

[stable valve]

I go grieftorch 100% lmao

[lusty narwhal]

418*

[warm plinth]

Yeah not even a contest

[stable valve]

feels bad to lose leech tier

[warm plinth]

Eh we have a ton of leech anyway

[stable valve]

big upgrade from my 398 grieftorch

[warm plinth]

[stable valve]

MOAR leech

[hybrid hull]

I'm using Naowh's UI so it has one included but I'm looking at wago, maybe try out Khakhan's Prot War?

[lusty narwhal]

Would I go 402 griedtorch over a 421 big upgrade tho?

[stable valve]

that'd be 3 leech items + 2 leech enchants

[dense iris]

Is ruby whelp shell a good trinket? It’s a day cooldown and not to informed on what it really can do for me.

[warm plinth]

It is not good

[dense iris]

Thought so, thanks.

[sleek maple]

There's almost no reason to open as prot other than a 421 shield/weapon option if you're clearing 20s but you should have a weapon crafted by now which kinda removes the need for a vault weapon

[hybrid hull]

need that 421 strikw twice

strike*

[sleek maple]

Or the mythic trinket from first boss if your raid is giving it to dps

[lusty narwhal]

Yea I was going to craft a shield today to 418 today since mine is 398

[hybrid hull]

keep in mind shield is only 250 valor/upgrade

so fairly cheap to get 415

[lusty narwhal]

Haven't been getting any shield drops

[hybrid hull]

I feel you

I've been using a pvp shield at 398 until last night lol

[warm plinth]

gotta be 2400 to upgrade to 415 though, which might be a barrier

[lusty narwhal]

Gonna save my valor to re-level the cos ring I just got with a socket and whetstone if I ever get it

[torpid fiber]

Don’t you risk getting a 2h weapon then?

[lusty narwhal]

Yea

[warm plinth]

what's wrong with all-totem?

[hybrid hull]

he has it

[lyric kettle]

They have it already

[warm plinth]

ah

[full venture]

All totem is great, nothing wrong

[lusty narwhal]

Would I ever take a 402 griedtorch from vault of my 421s are a big upgrade?

[torpid fiber]

Might as well get the chest for xmog, xmog is forever

[sleek maple]

Yea but I don't care about that. I'd rather get a 2h so I can fuck around as arms or fury rather than a 1h or shield

[warm plinth]

have you tried just getting upgrades

[sleek maple]

Once I get torch, my vaults are either 421 catalyst/tier options or higher, or sockets

[lusty narwhal]

Grieftorch is so good I just feel like taking it over a 421 piece feels bad if torch is only 402

[pulsar parrot]

Thoughts on Trinket Combination?

415 Blazebinder's
389 Whetstone
389 Manic Grieftorch

Asking for M+

[torpid fiber]

Praying for an awesome trinket when I get home. Full vault via keys each week and the only trinket I’ve gotten is a ruby whelp shell lol

[sleek maple]

Not torch. I don't think you can parry or anything during the channel?

[forest tulip]

just me or are these affixes brutal?

[urban portal]

421s are hard to get unless you run mythic raid often

Torch is something you can roll for every week

[lusty narwhal]

I do run them often but not a ton of 20sbyet

Only did 4 20+last week

[pulsar parrot]

I'll give it a shot, its 2 seconds, we can have SB and IP up for that duration, lets see 🙂

[urban portal]

I mean mythic raid

[lusty narwhal]

Ohhh yea not yet

[bold viper]

does the weapon strike twice have a chance to give shield slam procs?

got a 418 strike twice in my vauult

[rough egret]

Huge

[urban portal]

No

[viral elk]

Are there numbers on Brutal Vitality vs Fueled by Violence? Curious if anyone's found one better than the other or if it's situational.

[urban portal]

Brutal vit is the play

Especially with 4p

Fueled is okay but it’s just trickle healing

[tulip kelp]

Would you guys go ring or bracers for spark?

[viral elk]

Slammin. Thank you.

[tulip kelp]

And is bracer embellishment vs fang around the same dps? I was planning to craft frostfire belt but I got 421 belt in vault

[torpid fiber]

Can you use an alchemist stone trinket as a non alchemist? My 382/389 trinkets are murdering my ilvl

[zinc spruce]

what's the sim settings for m+

[hollow token]

I’m assuming because of recrafting it doesn’t make sense to hold onto Sparks?

[warm plinth]

yes, for the first time you do not have to be an alc to use alc stones

[craggy pilot]

yoo wtf is Hyrja meming me for

fking hell

she Shield of Light me into a Sanctify

just to flex

[warm plinth]

how would that even be possible

[craggy pilot]

wdym?

she does Sanctify, then insta Shield of Light

[quiet monolith]

408 puzzle box or 395 whispering incarnate?

[warm plinth]

yes but like...why are you in a place where shield can knock you into it

[craggy pilot]

and she did pushback me into one of the Sanctify that was way over on the other side

[forest tulip]

if i was to have someone craft me an order, whats a normal tip?

[craggy pilot]

it was behind me

[steady steppe]

not puzzle box

[craggy pilot]

didnt see it honestly

[lone eagle]

do I race swap void elf for micro better dps and better mog

[craggy pilot]

they go all around tho

[lone eagle]

🤔

[warm plinth]

Really depends on the item

[fair oxide]

What are you right now?

[lone eagle]

pwar alt juicin now

zanda

[craggy pilot]

depends on item and person and rank

[warm plinth]

I almost always do 5-10k at least though regardless

[craggy pilot]

5-10k for items that can be gained through skill

rare recipes a bit more

i would say

[fair oxide]

Idk. That's tough.

[craggy pilot]

Shield of Light 390k dmg through SR + DStance 😄

[warm plinth]

Zandalari look stupid when they run

[craggy pilot]

amazing

[lone eagle]

Kind of want to do a set using the Juggernaut shoulders from Antorus

[cinder nova]

Is the HOV speed trinket actually good?

[lone eagle]

but combine it with Tusks of Mannoroth

[bitter canopy]

So i gotta tough question, just opened my vault and i got 2 BiS and they are both around 20ilvl upgrades. which do i go with, leaning towards trinket but i dont know. I do have the legs, its the Neck and trinket i cant decide between

[warm plinth]

It's fine

[craggy pilot]

what do you guys do with the knockback on Hyrja, just insta charge like on Dathea?

[lone eagle]

Its decent, I just have bad trinks

[warm plinth]

It doesn't lose any stat for the effect

[craggy pilot]

or do you let it knock you to the opposite side?

[lone eagle]

Bringing pwar into mythic tonight

[cinder nova]

Gonna look like shit

[lone eagle]

hopefully get Terros trinket

[warm plinth]

you let it knock you

[lone eagle]

and Eranog

[cinder nova]

Two different resolutions, colors, shape design

[craggy pilot]

ye is what i been doing

[lone eagle]

and Incarate Icon

[craggy pilot]

i just need to not let it knock me into Sanctify 😄

desync you mean the bug where she does wrong spell on wrong side?

[warm plinth]

yeah tbh still not sure how that happened. I've never even seen a sanctify close to the tank when she did the knock

[wanton jewel]

can i get some advice on my vault? first time playing a tank and realizing that it's not just "sim and pick highest increase". boots would be highest ilvl increase, but do i take a tier piece ilvl upgrade/shield instead? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xgwxcVYeZSMKfHEpbNW2aD

[craggy pilot]

ill try to draw it for you 😄

if just my MDT will work

[warm plinth]

Shield

[lime urchin]

Tusks don’t exist

[potent gale]

I've managed to set shield block WA to notify me when its castable, but problem is it will notify me even if i have it active already, how do i setup so it reminds me to activate once its expired?

[worn drift]

what do you guys think about Granyth's Enduring Scale? Don't see people mention it for war but I got a 411 of it in my vault so idk

[warm plinth]

It's kinda meh, might still be worth taking depending on your other options

[dark cosmos]

just recast it, the duration stacks

[potent gale]

well now i feel dumb

thanks

[craggy pilot]

@warm plinth something like this 😄

[wanton jewel]

was thinking of maybe crafting one. kinda been hoarding my sparks

[warm plinth]

Do you have concentrated primal?

[dark cosmos]

ya thats weird ive never had that

[craggy pilot]

thank you ❤️

she did the knock while the Sanctify had passed by me, so they were behind me

[wanton jewel]

i'll have enough in a few keys

[craggy pilot]

and then i got knocked into one

[dark cosmos]

i hate that beam though

always SO scared to zap a dps

[craggy pilot]

i had it happen a couple times

is there a spot where you can just standstill for the Sanctify?

or do you sidestep it?

[lime urchin]

That sounds like a dps problem to me

[dark cosmos]

theres a pattern

can link vid one sec

[craggy pilot]

cus i feel if i sidestep, and then walk back, i can get Sanctify behind me

[craggy pilot]

i know the pattern ye

[warm plinth]

What trinket is gift replacing

[dark cosmos]

well then there you go (?)

[craggy pilot]

but they still get behind me though 🤔

[tired solar]

How good is 2 set for warriors? I have to choose between 411 strike twice and 398 tier chest

[craggy pilot]

and the knock is quite far

[wanton jewel]

rumbling ruby 402

[craggy pilot]

like when i get knocked, im standing middle of the room

[warm plinth]

I'd just take the boots

[craggy pilot]

not on the boss

[dark cosmos]

oh sure

i mean no i think is basically the answer

and again i personally just have never had that happen haha

like i dont really think theres a clear "lane" if you know what i mean

unless most of them are dissipated

[craggy pilot]

maybe im just too far from the boss after the Sanctify

so i guess i should be away for Sanctify, be in melee a bit

get knocked

then go to the other side

[short plover]

How good is hunger of the pack? Would it be worth to take that from vault? 421 ilvl

[dark cosmos]

as far as ive experienced, the timing of sanctify > beam BARELY pushes you back to the LAST sanctify ball released (distance wise), if you know what i mean

[void bramble]

Why doesnt the spell reflect WA work?

[dark cosmos]

so you only need to aim to not hit that 1 ball

[warm plinth]

Depends what you have. It's a solid trinket. There are better ones though.

[worn drift]

do people ever stance dance? or just sit defensive 24/7?

[blazing condor]

we stance dance

[warm plinth]

More like battle 24/7

[dark cosmos]

we sit in B stance like 90% of time

[blazing condor]

and sit in battle stance 24/7

[warm plinth]

and we go in defensive when needed

[worn drift]

oh lol dang

[craggy pilot]

yea so must be because i was in the middle of the room

at like 40 yrds range when she knocked me

[dark cosmos]

oh yes definitely

[warm plinth]

I don't ever move away. Just let her knock you from where you happen to be after the ultimate

[dark cosmos]

sorry i was like losing my mind haha

now i understand

[craggy pilot]

lesson learned the hard way 😄

[craggy pilot]

you move away for Sanctify tho no? 🤔

[dark cosmos]

ya if you get beamed from melee i think youre pretty much just safe

no

[warm plinth]

Not too far. I dodge it. And her hitbox is huge

[dark cosmos]

i just sidestep in melee knowing the pattern

im brave haha

(ive been punished)

overall dmg > timing key

[short plover]

I’m currently using 402 decoration and 405 hunger of the pack. I know incarnate icon is huge, but idk if I’d use incarnate icon/decoration or incarnate icon/hunger of the pack for high end m+

[warm plinth]

What ilevel is icon?

[analog sparrow]

Do things like all totem of the master sim correctly on raidbots? Is it a top tier trink for mythic+?

And secondly, is the court of stars ring a stand out above all the others due to the +atk damage? Auto is about 7% of my damage

[dark cosmos]

heroic* totem does about 4% usually for me, n=1 info

[short plover]

I don’t have it yet, but most likely heroic ilvl when I do get it, I’m next prio in raid

[urban portal]

The damage is minor on the ring

[warm plinth]

It's better than rings of the same ilevel

[fallen pulsar]

ring is good because stats are also good

[urban portal]

But it’s free

And stats are good

[analog sparrow]

Ty all

[warm plinth]

I would put all-totem in the top 5, to answer your other question

[analog sparrow]

What would you put on that list?

[bitter canopy]

So i gotta tough question, just opened my vault and i got 2 BiS and they are both around 20ilvl upgrades. which do i go with, leaning towards trinket but i dont know. I do have the legs, its the Neck and trinket i cant decide between

[warm plinth]

icon (if other people have it)
all-totem
manic grieftorch
whetstone
decoration

in no particular order

[analog sparrow]

Cool ty

[harsh trellis]

I created a Lariat with Haste and Crit because sometimes I swap over to Fury, Is it worth rerolling it with Haste and Vers instead?

[craggy pilot]

how many waves does Sanctify send out?

[dark cosmos]

some people might disagree but honestly if it were me id just grab DoF so i had the button, its not quite SL scale level but having the shield on demand feels more important than a few ilvl to me

[warm plinth]

No, haste/crit is great for us too

[dark cosmos]

7 total

[twilit oar]

hey guys im asking here incase someone knows but I jus did an sbg 16 and people somehow snapped this trash to this spot

not sure if anyone knows the tech or

[analog sparrow]

One more thing @warm plinth ,is that list for m+? I barely raid tank at all

[sick sentinel]

So with 4set do you press IP or just spam revenge

[warm plinth]

yes for M+

[dark cosmos]

https://youtu.be/N-GmmsOALk0?t=778 Ill link this during this convo just in case anyone doesnt know

[warm plinth]

Tier set does not change our gameplay at all

[bitter canopy]

ok so follow up question, which trinket do i replace? (fresh 70 so these were the only ones i have at the moment)

[warm plinth]

Jesus christ those are some awful trinkets

[bitter canopy]

right?

just hit 70, barely scraping by lol

[dark cosmos]

ya i mean hopefully you replace those within like the next 15 minutes so it doesnt matter

[grave flower]

I guess out of those 2 drop lifeflame

[dark cosmos]

but

ya id get rid of lifeflame

[warm plinth]

get rid of ampoule first I guess. the effect is even more hot garbage than seed's

[grave flower]

But yeah. Easily can replace in m0

[craggy pilot]

do people run Intervene for Fenryr?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[dark cosmos]

i run intervene always just cause most classes are faster than me haha

[grave flower]

Gigachads. I never run it

[craggy pilot]

i just have leap + bounding

makes me zoom

[bitter canopy]

ok sounds good, thank you all for the help everyone

[grave flower]

You run it to make you faster. I don’t run it because I don’t want another button to push. We’re not the same.

[dark cosmos]

i run it always more just as second aoe taunt effectively really

like DH pulls aggro and i effectively have a 6 second taunt

[cinder storm]

you can macro it to charge tho and mouseover friendly

[dark cosmos]

pug life

[dark cosmos]

^

[craggy pilot]

what tech would you give up for it though?

[grave flower]

I can do that yes

[craggy pilot]

bounding i guess?

[grave flower]

I wouldn’t. This is what I run. Don’t have a need for intervene

[warm plinth]

sidearm probably

[dark cosmos]

^

is sidearm worth dropping thunderous roar left talent?

i kinda doubt it but i could be wrong

re: that tree

[jagged pier]

u can only have 10 in t3

so that doesnt work

u have to drop shockwave

or UF

[tardy crane]

is Savage peck on crawth in AA bugged? it's doing insane damage, cycled through every defensive and still wiped because i cant recover from the initial damage and dot

[jagged pier]

yer u dont drop 1 hand spec

thats fucking dumb

[tardy crane]

thats for the full dungeon

[dark cosmos]

oh ya i was just trying to find what i was missing

ty

[warm plinth]

They "fixed" it to not be avoidable at all recently

So you were probably taking the same damage before; you were just dodging/parrying/blocking the initial hit so it didn't feel as bad.

and parrying/dodging would prevent the bleed

[tardy crane]

it feels so rough, i'm 385 doing a +15, rest of the dungeon, 0 issue, that boss, wiped 3 times because of the hit

[zinc spruce]

how much different is the raid on LFR compared to normal

i mean normal compared to lfr

[indigo knot]

385 helm > 418 crafted helm
-or-
402 shield > 418 shield

[zinc spruce]

i think helm

[lone eagle]

shield prob better long term

short term helm is better

[indigo knot]

We don't play raid helm right?

Tier*

[oblique quarry]

How is all totem for m+? I imagine it’s better their than in raid

[kind rapids]

Does letting one guard be summoned during first boss of CoS speed up RP?

[fathom robin]

For crafted shield its Shield of the Hearth? And for sword its the Primal Molten Longsword? these are also the preferred crafted items correct? Lariant would be 3rd or even 4th?

Lariat*

[warm plinth]

Yes, but so does just guessing the wrong spy at first, which doesn't involve having to fight an add on the boss

[kind rapids]

Alright ty, I was just wondering if its true or bait XD

[warm plinth]

these are the requirements (all have to be done to get the long RP), but only the beacon and the spy are reasonable to fail in keys.

and the beacon is only if you can CC the add and not have dumb pugs break it XD

[kind rapids]

Doesnt it just have one cast?

A slow or smth

Saw Naowh just do the add with boss and interrupt it

[lone eagle]

Its usually pretty easy to just

Not do the first sentry tower

I usually cc that sentry and keep moving for the big lust harbor pull

and then later when the add spawns on boss you cc it or pull it with boss and kick

[warm plinth]

They cast Hinder, which stuns/slows people iirc. Which can be deadly if you miss a kick

[lone eagle]

but usually hunter or rogue just trap/blind

[warm plinth]

like you have complete control over getting the spy wrong and it's a zero time loss

[kind rapids]

So you can leave a sentry as well as a sentry tower up to speed up the RP

[lone eagle]

Just depends on group coordination

[kind rapids]

What if lets say cc sentry, get the tower but then not kill the sentry?

[lone eagle]

sentries are irrelevant

[warm plinth]

It's not leaving the sentry alive that prevents the RP

[lone eagle]

They only exist to activate towers

[warm plinth]

It's letting them get a cast off

Which they can't do if the beacon is gone (or even worse, they'll run to another one and pull shit)

[lone eagle]

The tower is exclusively the mechanic that spawns the add

[kind rapids]

Ight, I understand now

Ty kind sirs

[lone eagle]

you skip first sentry (optionally) because its inconvenient with the big harbor pull and CDs

but if you don't, you pull it with the manasabers next to the tower because they are efficient completion

albeit spooky on fort grievious spiteful week

[warm plinth]

idk why you had to remind me of the affixes

did I do something to you in a past life

[lone eagle]

perhaps

[kind rapids]

Probably

[lone eagle]

just did a 19 CoS and had people struggling with 1 cat

can't imagine what they'd do with 2

[warm plinth]

the cats just want pets

and scritches

[lone eagle]

Timed it pretty easily but was basically me blasting my whole way through it

did 55k ST at one point

[kind rapids]

The more I hear about prot warr dmg the more I realize just how bad I am at it

[woeful jasper]

new prot alt snagged a puzzle box and a dragongames equip do we actually use those or what

[lone eagle]

they are okay

[potent gale]

what the fuck, i have unlocked loremaster of kultiras BUT... when I search drust do it it says its not completed

[lone eagle]

Definitely much better trinkets out there

[kind rapids]

How do you manage 55k ST

[woeful jasper]

im using an enduring scale and a ruby

[warm plinth]

I believe it's account-wide; you probably did drust on another toon

[lone eagle]

good SS resets on a quick burn lol

[warm plinth]

Hover over the achievement icon on the right

[potent gale]

ye, i was unlocking kul tiran toon, was hoping to get that inquisitor title on other toons but i guess i'll go fuck myself

[lone eagle]

Obv over the course of 3 minutes w/o lust it'd go down

[kind rapids]

Fair

But I for sure need to do more damage than I do

[lone eagle]

A lot of it is talents

[potent gale]

they scammed me 😦 i dont wanna do all that all over again ffs

[lone eagle]

Like, the key talent setup for pwar isn't going to do giga ST normally without luck

[kind rapids]

I did like 35k overall on the tyran week we just had

[lone eagle]

In raid your ST will go up a lot with Sudden Death

tbh on Tyran weeks in a few keys now I just run Sudden Death

RLP for example

[kind rapids]

Oh no I just reminded myself of Temple last pack

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah, more ST damage is big for some tyrannicals

[lone eagle]

It also counts as rage spent

For the purposes of Violent Outburst

so slightly faster rage cycling

[fallen pulsar]

also run glacial phial on like RLP, AA, and TJS

[kind rapids]

Oh the proc does?

[lone eagle]

Yeah

[kind rapids]

Didnt know that

[lone eagle]

Makes it great in raid to rage cycle aggressively

Get a few lucky procs and you can get an extra giga shield slam in ava

[kind rapids]

Personally been perma running glacial

[sweet dagger]

hmm struggling hard on my choices here

[woeful jasper]

u guys macro shield slam to ignore pain?

[kind rapids]

But maybe now with forti week Ill run the eye of the storm phial

Or do I just stick to glacial?

[potent gale]

this sounds like a good idea

[kind rapids]

Btw @lone eagle why do you lust harbor?

[fallen pulsar]

as a side button sure, as your main shield slam button no

[whole quail]

What embellishment are you guys going for beside lariat?

I had fangs but i think it doesnt performa as well

[warm plinth]

Literally any of them. They're all about 1% dps

[fallen pulsar]

I have fang + belt

[whole quail]

I guess if you have raid rings, belt is better

[fallen pulsar]

fang is good in ST

I don't have the raid rings, belt is still fine even without them

but getting a lariat would've been a minor upgrade for me at the time vs going up like 30 ilvl in each piece

[potent gale]

any recommendations for proffession?

[fallen pulsar]

enchanting makes bank

mining + jewelcrafting is also good

[potent gale]

what goes with ench

inscription?

[fallen pulsar]

nah

[whole quail]

anything i guess

[fallen pulsar]

its self sufficient

[potent gale]

ah

[fallen pulsar]

you can pair with a gatherer to sell the mats

or another crafter if you have a gather alt

[potent gale]

like, mining

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

[potent gale]

alright, thanks

[fallen pulsar]

[past gyro]

prot spec or dps spec better for vault?

[lusty narwhal]

LOL my 2 421 vault slots are ruby whelp and a fucking 2h weapon

kill me

[fallen pulsar]

if you need a shield prot/dont need damage trinkets, prot spec

[uneven mason]

Tailoring, they're both self sufficient, tailoring generates disenchantable gear and just requires cloth which is dropped

[fallen pulsar]

if you dont need a shield/want damage trinkets, fury spec

or arms to reduce the number of possible weapons

if you have a good shield and weapon

[potent gale]

alright, thanks a bunch

[fallen pulsar]

ah yeah I forgot tailoring didnt need a gatherer

D/Eing stuff from tailoring is also based

[lusty narwhal]

i guess im taking cloak?

lol

[fallen pulsar]

allready got chest tier?

[lusty narwhal]

398 but not using it atm using a 408 non set

[fallen pulsar]

are you 2 set already

[lusty narwhal]

yes

[fallen pulsar]

then yeah, highest ilvl upgrade prob

[mighty valley]

i'd take weapon for offspec lol

[lusty narwhal]

LOL

what if i just took ruby shell to inflate my ilvl with no plans to use it

[sweet dagger]

what would u peeps take?

[lusty narwhal]

maybe412 ruby welp is a banger

421*

[fallen pulsar]

offspec prot only life

I already outdps half the pug warriors in my groups anyhow...

[lusty narwhal]

what if i just fully endorse the whelp shell and its just great at 421

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, what trinkets do you have

you could sim a 421 whelp shell in gear compare and see

[mighty valley]

i don't see a strong reason to not take tier i guess

[lusty narwhal]

not great ones ive been using bladebinder 402 and spiteful storm 411, i also have a 402 decoration

[sick sentinel]

I take tier here personally.

[fallen pulsar]

I feel like blazebinder and spiteful would do better than whelp

same with deco

but simming is the only true answer

[lusty narwhal]

actual fucking troll vault

[lone eagle]

On fort week its a reasonable way to get 3 lusts

[lusty narwhal]

can you add trinket you dont have

in top gear>?

[mighty valley]

remember when our "vault" was one item

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

[lone eagle]

lust harbor, lust a pack + fel enforcer, lust last boss

[fallen pulsar]

you can add a line to your simc lmao

might be easier ways of doing it

[kind rapids]

I see, that does seem good value

[lone eagle]

Tyran week trash doesn't usually last long enough

[south zealot]

got my first and only getti ikku there

[lone eagle]

so I just say fuck it and lust 1st and either 2nd or 3rd based on buffs/healer

[past gyro]

or

whoops

didnt mean to make that so big...

[south zealot]

ofc the shoulders

[sick sentinel]

Shoulders

[fallen pulsar]

honestly, lusting a big pack at the start in fort weeks is really good for improving time

over saving for boss

[lone eagle]

Yeah, I do it in SMBG too.

[past gyro]

i wasnt sure if the avoidance tertiary made it better in long run

[mighty valley]

bigger ilvl gap, bigger ilvl piece... what's even the question here

[lone eagle]

Fort week I lust the 2nd pull by snapping up the bone axe guys and caster from downstairs

[south zealot]

ig the avoidance but avoidance is useless for prot

[lone eagle]

So its an 8 mob pack

then lust 2nd boss and lust the two void adds before last boss

[mighty valley]

tertiaries are nice in a same ilvl situation but they basically never make a difference in a gear comparison

[fallen pulsar]

I love shit like that lmao, zooping mobs through the floor

[mighty valley]

hell yes

[tulip kelp]

Is that too much crit/too little haste?

Everything that drops for me has crit on it

[fallen pulsar]

one day I'll figure out how to get 40% leech. One day

[south zealot]

i prefer to have most haste as possible as prot and 2nd crit but crit is big damage

[lusty narwhal]

@fallen pulsar i figured it out

[grave flower]

How many of you made the shield of the heart over the other one

[lusty narwhal]

simc actually includes your vault if you alrdy opened it

[lone eagle]

Realistically you want tons of haste

[fallen pulsar]

oh thats really neat

[mighty valley]

if you could pick your stats sure you'd probably drop some crit for haste but you take what you get

[lone eagle]

I wouldn't go out of your way to drop crit, but probably moving some mastery into haste and a bit of crit into haste would be ideal

Don't drop ilvl though ultimately

[wraith prism]

do our haste % numbers regress when new patch releases, or does it generally stay the same and only get better as expansion goes on?

[warm plinth]

easier to do a gear compare sim

[lone eagle]

Just if you have the choice to move some things around

[lusty narwhal]

@gha

@warm plinth simc includes vault

so i can just top gear

[mighty valley]

only goes up til new expansion, we were all sitting above 40% unbuffed haste at the end of SL

[ocean bloom]

stats typically go up over the expac and reset with new expacs

[warm plinth]

They'll go up over the expansion and down with a new expansion generally

[lone eagle]

They've done some secondary tuning in xpacs before mid xpac

[tulip kelp]

@lone eagle Yeah its hard, not really having any chances at the moment.. I have a chest piece that's haste/mastery instead of crit/mastery but its 3 ilvl

[lone eagle]

But realistically

you can expect to easily achieve 30%+% haste without going hard on it in a tier or two

[mighty valley]

you could also look at it the other way and be like "35% crit chance is hype"

we angst over stats too much in general

[tulip kelp]

[past gyro]

i wonder why that is

when i was playing wrath having gear with optimal stats felt 200% more impactful than in retail where its just ilvl> everything

[south zealot]

because strength is the best offensive stat and defensive stat

just how the game has progressed

[warm plinth]

wrath also had dumb stats that weren't fun but made a big difference

[vapid crane]

is it better to lose 16 ilvl from an item to get the set bonus or nah

[past gyro]

true like hit/expertise/defense

[warm plinth]

2 set or 4?

[south zealot]

no

[vapid crane]

2 set

[warm plinth]

You can sim it, but it's probably worth

[past gyro]

but it did feel good to get a piece with huge expertise and then the boss wasnt parrying ur big revenges anymore

[south zealot]

theres no way i would do that

[vapid crane]

the vault dropped me a 382 set chest and im using a 398 chest atm

[blazing condor]

if youre missing out on set bonus youre inting

at least 2 set

[warm plinth]

16 ilevel on one piece of gear is not going to equate to 4% dps/less damage taken

[blazing condor]

^

[past gyro]

what is the uptime on the 2set, normally 100%?

[blazing condor]

should be around there

[past gyro]

i still dont have mine 🙃

[blazing condor]

you got like 6 seconds inbetween revenge presses

which you should fill

[warm plinth]

It'll be less on ST since iirc you still execute over revenge

But overall it'll be really high uptime

[blazing condor]

feels like itd be worth to maintain 2set during execute

but idk the dmg

[warm plinth]

I just looted a random nomad cache near a centaur village and it gave me more draconium than a draconium nodes gives me 😠

[blazing condor]

You got drac-owned-ium

get it

[warm plinth]

How dare you

[south zealot]

i get it

[south zealot]

nope im right youre wrong gg

[sweet dagger]

so do ppl rock 4 set?

[jagged ferry]

Do I open vault on fury spec if I don’t want a 1H or shield, does all the other loot tables work for all specs?

[tulip kelp]

If you have it why not.. I'm 1p andy still

[tulip kelp]

Unless you're after a defensive trinket (why would you) then go arms

[warm plinth]

arms

fury still drops 1h

[jagged ferry]

Easy

Thankyou

[feral wing]

Hi friends, is there something as too much haste? I wonder if theres a breakpoint

[warm plinth]

There is

It's 100%

[jovial birch]

Feels bad when my best vault option is a sword that I want just for transmog.

[blazing condor]

you can take tokens

free sockets

[feral wing]

aight 😄

[warm plinth]

CoS sword? 😮

[jovial birch]

Raid sword from Sennarth already have cos one.

[prisma crane]

idk, i've had over 100% haste before, feels pretty good

[warm plinth]

well it's just a soft breakpoint 😂

[prisma crane]

now 100% vers, now we're talkin

[blazing condor]

fuck that

200%

[prisma crane]

even better

pull any key from boss to boss and just sit there like you're on a target dummy for 10 years

[jovial birch]

Free sockets?

[blazing condor]

well

not free

but you get sockets

[fallen pulsar]

just crossed 2200, only 300ish more io to go 🙂

[blazing condor]

you can trade the dude next to the vault if you pick tokens from vault

[prisma crane]

200 if you just want the upgrades

[fallen pulsar]

I want KSH

[prisma crane]

PSH

[jovial birch]

Hmm that may be the way to go, can you add a socket to any piece of gear you already have?

[prisma crane]

KSH should be cake by the time average ilvls are like 410+

[fallen pulsar]

ye, but I might as well push while I can

[prisma crane]

though i did run with a 408 4p ele sham that did less damage than me

im not exactly sure how

im like 400

[fallen pulsar]

I outdamage at least 1 DPS pretty regularly

lots of DPS suck at their rotation, but do enough mechanics to get carried damagewise

[prisma crane]

also did a run with a 405 lock that had to be botting or something, did like 20k overall in a TJS

[modern brook]

u were probably in bstance cheesing meters

[torn gulch]

even if that is the case

[fallen pulsar]

true

[sweet dagger]

do rez bracers take an embellishment slots

[fallen pulsar]

bstance is the biggest cheese, a whole wheel

[torn gulch]

if a tank beats you on dps you have a problem

unless the tank is like 20-30 ilvl over you

[modern brook]

[prisma crane]

if im in a 16 HoV i have no reason to be in D stance

[modern brook]

yeah you're not wrong

[fallen pulsar]

I thought it was funny :p

[warm plinth]

No, tinkers are not embellishments

[oblique quarry]

Wowhead ranked all totem as B tier because you have to be actively tanking for the procs, is it a better trinket for m+ since you are always tanking?

[warm plinth]

yes

It's also uncapped aoe

[dry spear]

is 4P worth taking over higher ilvl non net pieces?

[wary haven]

So what’s next BIS trinket for slot 2? Rumbling Ruby or something else?

[compact jackal]

trampling hooves is the better passive trink

[deft socket]

Gloves would be my 3pc. current belt is 398, current helm is 402, gloves are 402

[modern brook]

ruby beats hooves aroun 4 targets

[cyan lichen]

Hello!
I need help what to pick from vault.
Options and gear attached.

[modern brook]

they're roughly equal id say

[compact jackal]

imo helm and wait for the catalyst

[wary haven]

Nice. Thanks for the info

If I can ever get rid of my raid finder DoF and lifeblood ampule I’ll be a very happy guy

[modern brook]

gift of radiance for str alone probably worth it over current trinkets. Skoldir hat otherwise

tokens if you ask me literally any follow up question

[jagged ferry]

Decisions Decisions

What the hell do I take hahaha

Head with leech is giga

[blazing condor]

what trinkets you got

[modern brook]

you have a greif torch and are asking questions

tokens obv

[blazing condor]

the the bull named fango said

grief is massive

[oblique quarry]

I’d take grief

[warm plinth]

But guys, leech

LEECH

[warm plinth]

LLLEEEEEECCCCHHH

[oblique quarry]

Lmao

[ancient ore]

i dont know what to take

[jagged ferry]

We have Brood on farm

[uncut notch]

boys hc Brood

we hero pull or p2?

[jagged ferry]

Still think Trinket > Leech tier?

[wary haven]

Bro that has to be one of the best rolls in vault I’ve ever seen

[wary haven]

Ruby or boon

[modern brook]

whens ur raid night?

[warm plinth]

I think that leech is not why I would take the piece unless it's the same ilevel as the tier you have in that slot, and the other options are not upgrades.

[jagged ferry]

Tuesdays 😦

[modern brook]

you take a trinket to upgrade your trinket

[modern brook]

run it first, see if u get something

[cold zealot]

Grief!!!

[modern brook]

lie to your team if you have to and get a grief from there

[warm plinth]

Rumbling ruby is probably the best option there. Boon is either fun or aggravating depending on whether you're Mwahi or not.

[jagged ferry]

What would you take?

[jagged ferry]

Hahaha Tuesday so far away thooooooo

[modern brook]

??????????????

[wary haven]

It really depends

[modern brook]

you raid tuesday morning pre-server shut down?

[wary haven]

If you get ilvl plus a set bonus from helm that’s an easy decision

[jagged ferry]

Already have 4set

Tier is just ilvl upgrades

[wary haven]

What trinkets?

Do you have

[analog sparrow]

Rumbling ruby does really strong dmg for me in m+ and has the luxury of not being on use

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy3am-gif-10356365

[jagged ferry]

Tuesdasy night with my mates, only day we can do unfortunately

[fallen pulsar]

servers laggin, people getting home from work lol

[wary haven]

Grieftorch would be some nice big damage if you wanted to fuck around with it I’d say

[slim dove]

grieftorch is giga bis.

[wary haven]

Otherwise go ilvl or stats

[modern brook]

OHHHHHH you're EU and this is last weeks vault?

or like i guess this weeks?

then you take greif torch and go next

[jagged ferry]

Im Aussie, so today is reset day ahaha

[modern brook]

ahhhhhh

that makes a lot of sense

[jagged ferry]

So you lads reckon Grief?

[wary haven]

Jfc I wish I had that luck in my vault

[modern brook]

So your vault is literally

[wary haven]

Grief is a great choice

[jagged ferry]

I just simm'd and it said Grief is highest DPS increase

[modern brook]

take grief torch, if you can wait it out and get one from raid take tier ilvl

[slim dove]

grief is giga bis

[potent gale]

the hell is this, i got achievement for it

[analog sparrow]

Legion

[slim dove]

legion class hall.

[potent gale]

do i get some kind of helmet now or

[analog sparrow]

Yeah

[wary haven]

How are m+ affix this week? Ez io?

[potent gale]

how or where?

[modern brook]

in the class hall

[fallen pulsar]

ez io if your DPS are awake

[wary haven]

Awesome I can’t wait to grind

[fallen pulsar]

grievous ain't too bad, and spiteful is pretty easy to deal with

better comps are ones that have good lockdown

[slim dove]

grevious on fort weeks isn't too bad and spiteful is meh

wakeup call for zugg zugg mdps

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

zugg zugg melee will be sad

[wary haven]

Pushing my key so hopefully the meatbrains keep their distance

[tulip kelp]

Which classes have good aoe snares for the ghosts? Binding shot is no more.. no shamans seem to bind earthbind

[fallen pulsar]

druids

entangle AoE

[wary haven]

Shaman

Piercing howl

[fallen pulsar]

frost traps are good

[wary haven]

Does anyone run shockwave anymore?

[modern brook]

rogue still has 50% slows for free, frost mage is ass but also slows stuff, all mages have nova

[wary haven]

Could be good

[modern brook]

shockwave yeah, sonic boom no

[tulip kelp]

I might pick up piercing howl this week

[fallen pulsar]

yeah mages are really nice this week

frost nova

[south zealot]

spiteful literally isnt an affix

[modern brook]

^

[south zealot]

you dont have to worry about it at all

[fallen pulsar]

^

[modern brook]

i was about to type that

[fallen pulsar]

especially as a tank, very rare to ever get a ghost lmao

[modern brook]

you shouldnt be taking classes for their ability to "not pad more after a pack"

[fallen pulsar]

and even then, you can usually tank 1-2 without getting bopped

crit blocks zug zug

[modern brook]

Literally 1 spec gets owned and its assa rogue

and feral druid

so like i said 1 spec

and shitty healers

[lusty narwhal]

Leech or Avoidance for high level keys/raiding?

[wary haven]

Leech is pretty strong

[viral moth]

should i put valor into shield or autoattack ring first?

[modern brook]

id personally avoid valoring weapons and shields - since valor is a limited resource and you will always replace those slots with a 421 from vault, spending valor into them when u can instead just craft a 418 is wrong

and save it for trinkets /rings

[fallen pulsar]

if you pull packs into more open spaces spiteful becomes even easier, reduce the chance of butt pulls from panicking DPS that forgot the ghosts

[modern brook]

IDK if aa ring is worth valoring tho

[south zealot]

no reason to ever take avoidance as take over leech

[fallen pulsar]

leech is better imo, since we can stack it higher realistically. Parry is more likely to happen for us than avoids

[viral moth]

im hoping that i get shield drop when we reclear mythic eranog

[modern brook]

🤞

[fallen pulsar]

🤞

[jagged ferry]

Sorry.. last question but do I replace my Hoof with it?

[fallen pulsar]

yes

because number go up

[modern brook]

yeah double on use

[fathom nova]

LOL. Which one of you is the "very badass" Warrior tank talking about going onto Skyhold Discord to talk about the state of poor warriors and being unable to complete 27s on MMO-Champ?

[fallen pulsar]

and when your dps dies you go up even more

[modern brook]

I'm sparticus

[fallen pulsar]

I'm barticus

Would love to grieftorch in m+

all my bad DPS players would make me look godlike

[modern brook]

grieftorch + 3 hunter group is bis for damage

[cinder storm]

[modern brook]

the trick is to stagger their excuses

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao

[pallid quiver]

god, i do need to fish harder for grieftorch

[slim dove]

im fucking rolling

[fallen pulsar]

prog with a player with grieftorch is hilarious

[slim dove]

thank you

[fallen pulsar]

you see a bunch of people salty that they're not number 1 because the grieftorcher gets so many procs

[modern brook]

does ret still have the passive that makes them always look good on wipes?

[sweet dagger]

how many ppl making the trinket bracer this week?

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[lucid elk]

408 fire ring or 408 icon for prot

[fallen pulsar]

ret grieftorching is BiS

10 hunters + 1 ret with grieftorch is BiS in raid

[slim dove]

icon (imo, tons of people have one now)

[modern brook]

i think the consensus is if you're not engineering its not worth it

idr where people left off on it

[sweet dagger]

oh nsap really why?

[modern brook]

again going off memory so grain of salt, but if not engineering i think the failure rate is too high

[sweet dagger]

ahhhhh

[slim dove]

50% if not engineering.

absolute garb

[sweet dagger]

thats a rip

guess the 4th spark is for my shield

[fallen pulsar]

I need so many more 16s+ this week

[modern brook]

418 shield wont get replaced until you get a 421 from vault so

[slim dove]

shoulda done that a while ago anyways

[modern brook]

safe bet

[fallen pulsar]

gotta pump up my spark items

[lusty narwhal]

whgat % if you are eng?

[slim dove]

iirc its the usual fail rate of like 1% if engi

[modern brook]

i think its garunteed

"absolutely definitely 1%: - @slim dove

nvm

[slim dove]

dont quote me on that

[cinder storm]

When do we SR SMB first boss? I havent paid much attention to it since its so ez

[fallen pulsar]

basically, if you fail as engi blizz is trolling you

[lusty narwhal]

is there anything better to use in bracer slot? other than bres if your not eng

[slim dove]

She has a self-damage amp that deals magical damage.

Look at her buffs.

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I seen that, is it as soon as she buffs herself or after moon phase?

[lusty narwhal]

Also do you just have to BE engineering to make the trinket 1% fail? or do you have to have poiints in it

[slim dove]

idk, timers for old-world m+ are fucked

ive had venryr claw frenzy 5x in a row before lul

[fallen pulsar]

whenever she gains deathspike stacks

[slim dove]

then next pull not use it once.

[modern brook]

profession points are not active if u are not currently in that profession

[fallen pulsar]

she gains deathspike stacks from autoing you

iirc

[lusty narwhal]

@modern brook no im saying could i just like have engineering and get 1% fail rate? or does it have to be leveled

[modern brook]

ahhhh

no clue

[south zealot]

engi is a useless profession

[cinder storm]

Gotta pay more attention to it then, but that fight is so easy that I really didn't worried much about it

[south zealot]

tinkers suck

[fallen pulsar]

on higher keys those shadow hits can be painful, but nowhere near like RLP boss 2 levels lmao

[cinder storm]

right

[modern brook]

if ur just looking for a stack of a buff, you should be able to throw together a real quick wa fo rit

[cinder storm]

it always felt like "oh you are just hitting harder now huh?"

[fallen pulsar]

boss decided to add some spice to the attack

keep you aware that you have HP

[cinder storm]

quick reminder this is tyrannical

[fallen pulsar]

ye

on fort its a meme

does like nothing

[craggy widget]

anyone in EU randomly dc'ing rn

[modern brook]

unironically i heard its cause of brexit

[analog sparrow]

Yeah I've noticed this too. Had the worm in smbg not even inhale the whole fight one run

[modern brook]

the fucking dream

[warm plinth]

I had a fight where he only went down once

feelsgoodman

[modern brook]

smh

[cinder storm]

some people are just born lucky

[modern brook]

only worm fights ive had is where a hunter decides to play his 50yd range

[slim dove]

somehow this still happens in 18+ keys

hunters playing at max range with prevoker healer in party

[cinder storm]

2 months from now "somehow this still happens on my 25s"

[warm plinth]

What's funny is those same hunters last expansion would've been sitting in melee on quaking week

[slim dove]

but ofc they still do 500k on 5 mob pulls so its fine

whatever

PuZzLe BoX bRo

or a 405 bow that sims higher then 421 bows because thats fine

[modern brook]

laughs in rogue daggers

[warm plinth]

random question but does anyone know how to get elvui's bag to stop opening when I open the AH?

[slim dove]

did you get rogue daggers out of a vault at random?

[modern brook]

its a setting 🙂

[slim dove]

or from a heroic/normal raid box?

[warm plinth]

That's very helpful, thank you Bull!

[modern brook]

normal sylv daggers beat out up to mythic jailer (anduin?) daggers last expac

[slim dove]

i quit s1 shadowlands SOOOO

[warm plinth]

I found it

I'm a god

[modern brook]

was it in the settings?

[warm plinth]

shut up bull

[uneven mason]

Me too

[warm plinth]

I will fight you

[modern brook]

[modern brook]

pin plz im very helpful

[sweet dagger]

anyone here get nervous tanking keys hier than a 17+

[warm plinth]

I don't get nervous. I have a foolproof mentality when it comes to keys

If they die, they die

[modern brook]

ghash adheres to the shaggy method of tanking

"group wiped? wasnt me"

[warm plinth]

wasn't me

Exactly

[edgy roost]

do i take the bis ring. tier chest, or grieftorch? the ring and the chest are ~26 ilvl upgrades but the trinket is not

[warm plinth]

Baby came in and she pulled the next trash pack, and now the healer's on the floor (wasn't me)

[modern brook]

torch or chest

[sweet dagger]

idk tbh i'm geared hard and can prob run a 17 but i find it pretty hard to time 15s with my group from time. may just be the group im with?

[modern brook]

assuming you already have teir / the hat doesnt give you 2/4

[zealous grove]

Do we get primal molten defender, or shield of the hearth?

[plush tendon]

always primal molten

never shield of the hearth

[warm plinth]

We like choosing our stats

[zealous grove]

thats what i wouldve thought.

[warm plinth]

Hearth shield stinky

[zealous grove]

but I wanted to double check

[edgy roost]

I already have 4-set but my current chest is raid finder ilvl

[zealous grove]

and i get haste crit now, right?

[plush tendon]

haste/crit or haste/vers

[modern brook]

is it a teir peice?

[warm plinth]

either one is fine

[plush tendon]

flip a coin

[edgy roost]

yes

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/Ikk0.gif

[plush tendon]

for stat weights

[modern brook]

torch imo

ring is boring

[zealous grove]

most of my other stuff is haste vers so ill go haste crit to diversify my portfolio

[modern brook]

torch owns

[edgy roost]

but current chest is 382 🤮

[plush tendon]

you can farm out a better chest

grieftorch a bit harder to get

[sweet dagger]

lol

[plush tendon]

and VERY strong

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[modern brook]

sure but its doing more than its ilvl shows

[sweet dagger]

good or bad?

[modern brook]

plus you're replacing it with ilvl

[forest tulip]

after breaking the bank and forging new gear new ilvl is 387. bless.

[modern brook]

which exists in all content you will be doing this week

you will have 2-3 more rolls at a greif torch depending on how aggressively you're raiding

[plush tendon]

IDK.... seems like a sim question

[torpid prawn]

Guys are you opening the vault in tank or dps spec?

[plush tendon]

Me, im going for tank

[modern brook]

coward

[plush tendon]

since I got decent trinkets

and I want a shield

[torpid prawn]

I got wep and shield. But need trinkets

[uneven mason]

8% is probably a stretch

[plush tendon]

then you should open in fury/arms

I mean, what other metric is more important the numbies?

[vital lichen]

https://gyazo.com/dd8d631dcaafe26185458cd74bbbbbbd

shield gives a lot of stats, but SC says to take trinket. Thoughts?

[plush tendon]

what I level shield

do you have

[vital lichen]

392

[plush tendon]

shield

[flat sorrel]

Would the 4 set be worth a total of 30 item level decrease

[modern brook]

nah

trinket

and craft shield w/ spark at 418

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

if u dont want to craft shield then yeah take shield but like

[uneven mason]

No

[plush tendon]

but dragons game equipment

[modern brook]

what the fuck else are u using your sparks for

[plush tendon]

[modern brook]

American soccer owns

[vital lichen]

I was wondering about that, wish i understood this crafting business lol

[analog sparrow]

Dragon equipment buggy sometimes

[vital lichen]

I still have my sparks

[analog sparrow]

Hated that thing

[modern brook]

hold off on taking stuff

ask trade chat for a guy capable of making a 418 shield

find one

see if u can afford it

if yes, make it

if no, take shield

[plush tendon]

he would also need 10 16+ done

[modern brook]

oh right i forgot

I stand by it

just do 10 16s

[plush tendon]

can still probably craft the 405 one

[modern brook]

8^)

[plush tendon]

to stop gate