protection

[pallid quiver]

lies and slander

[golden tartan]

is this helm good for prot?

as in say i dont have 2set

vers/crit one

[ionic fern]

All i do is hold W.

And hope for the best.

[ionic fern]

Ilvl +++++

[pallid quiver]

It's probably worse than what you've got due to ilvl. Str is our strongest stat by a mile

[pallid quiver]

I think this is the part I'm missing on. I normally just hold W and mash buttons without any hope for the best

[forest tulip]

"alright, y'all. for the 4th time. we need to stack for the adds on the tree boss."
group still spreads out and runs away from each other

[rough solar]

Is it worth playing Intervene for Fenryr's Scent of Blood in HoV?

[pseudo edge]

Question - does Strike Twice's 2nd hit give rage?

[latent hedge]

When do you guys use spell block? Generally only been taking at jade but its growing on me as a talent seems strong

[blazing condor]

whenever there's high magic damage

jade / rlp typical examples

but can be good elsewhere

[forest tulip]

I think it's a must take in AA

[slender blade]

I take spell block everywhere now, have found a decent use for it in most dungeons but should prolly swap it out for the other choice on some keys

[potent gale]

isnt haste, because cds and whatnot? (just asking as i heard from a lot of sources protwars should prio haste? just confused)

[hardy snow]

we should prio haste in comparison to other secondaries, but still ilvl is more important

[potent gale]

ah gotchu, thanks

[slim dove]

yes

[craggy pilot]

how the fk am i supposed to live this boss

we were doing 10-10 here and healer at 110k hps

im sitting dstance entire boss, and spamming only IP

[ionic fern]

What key level?

[craggy pilot]

+20

[drifting needle]

Healer get his buff?

[craggy pilot]

not when we did 10-10

[drifting needle]

Oh sorry missed that

Not tried the 10-10 at the higher range

[ionic fern]

Also on a +20.

🤷

[limpid anchor]

Spell reflect :)

[forest tulip]

what time does the week reset?

[drifting needle]

I ran 2x SW/Spell Block and did 6-7 swap and was chilling on a +21

[lyric elm]

https://wowreset.com/

[forest tulip]

thank you!

[craggy pilot]

hmm, weird how we have 50% more healing 🤔

DH + mage more durable classes than Enha i guess

no clue

[ionic fern]

Idk, maybe you guys not using CD's.

[craggy pilot]

do i use SR on specific times in the fight?

[ionic fern]

We also swapped at ~7 stacks.

[craggy pilot]

like on high stacks?

yea we did that also

[ionic fern]

Give the buff to healer.

[craggy pilot]

we did 7-7 first insta wiped

[ionic fern]

You don't want that buff.

👀

[craggy pilot]

they didnt give buff to healer

idk why

[ionic fern]

There you go.

🙂

[craggy pilot]

first pull healer was 90k hps

[ionic fern]

Our healer diddn't need it on a +20.

[craggy pilot]

and we wiped at 7-7

so we tried 10-10

[ionic fern]

But we gave it to him in the 2nd +20 we did.

So it's definitely doable without the buff on the healer.

Just easier if it's on the healer.

[craggy pilot]

healer said "i did this 2 times on 20 this week, and didnt have so much incoming dmg"

like idk maybe he was just healing the other times cus he had buff

[orchid frigate]

strike twice sword or the one with haste/vers?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[ionic fern]

.

.

.

[craggy pilot]

the one that you get

[orchid frigate]

got both 😒

[ionic fern]

Stats + free effect vs just stats.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[craggy pilot]

same ilvl?

[orchid frigate]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

strike twice then

[orchid frigate]

tyty

[craggy pilot]

or you could just raidbots.com

[craggy pilot]

how would you rank 2xWall vs Impenetrable Wall on that boss though?

feels like i get 3x Wall during that fight just by spamming SS

[ionic fern]

In a 20+ Tyrannical TJS you go double wall.

Just for the 3rd boss.

At least that's what i've defaulted to.

[jagged pier]

Yer pretty much rlp 2nd boss got nerfed

So

Just tjs now

[craggy pilot]

cant i just spam the shit out of SS and get SW back naturally for the 3rd Jade kick?

if i have Battering Ram SS resets

[ionic fern]

Idk, can you?

[craggy pilot]

highest temple i did currently is ++17 though, where i didnt have double wall

[ionic fern]

I used 2 walls on a +20 3rd boss.

[potent gulch]

no you can't. you need wall for fell phase which lasts 1:20 ~

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye guess ill need both Spell Block + 2x Wall in this dung then

Tyr Temple is something special man jesus

[potent gulch]

spell block is good on fortie aswell

[ionic fern]

I 100% prefer TJS on tyrannical over Fortified.

[jagged pier]

Same

[formal grail]

oh no am i going to have to sidestep / kite the shas now?

or wait we can reflect some of it right

[ionic fern]

Yes.
And after reflect is down

You flap.

[craggy pilot]

i feel so much better about the Minion Dark Claw since i changed their nameplate colour

and can see their Dark Claw CD

so i just reflect first one, and stun 2nd one

then reflect is rdy for 3rd

[ionic fern]

What about Haunting Guise.

[jagged ferry]

Hey Everyone, does Unstable Frostfire Belt proc this ring from Brood?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[jagged ferry]

HUGE!

[grizzled chasm]

Hi guys, new to prot here only been DPSing, do i have the right idea by basically trying to maintain shield block as much as possible, and spamming my ignore pain up to as much absorb as I can then just refreshing it when the timer is low?

[craggy pilot]

the Lore boss does more dmg the higher stacks he gets right?

[marble cipher]

Can anyone help me with a macro for charge/intervene?
I want to be able to use mouseover charge if target is an enemy, but also have it work to charge my actual target if I don't have a mouseover
And I want it to do the same for a friendly unit, but with intervene.

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Charg; Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene; Intervene

Which doesn't seem to work for the mouseover-charge-enemy part, but does seem to work with mouseover intervene

[ionic fern]

"charg"

[marble cipher]

jaaaysus

😊

[craggy pilot]

kekw

[round vortex]

gottem lol

[craggy pilot]

SB uptime is omega important yes, IP uptime not so much, usually just click IP when you are capping rage or about to cap rage (which happens a lot if you use your CDs properly)

so just spend SB + click ur rage spells (SS + TC + CDs)

[grizzled chasm]

Ah nice ok

I just wanna be able to tank 20s for my weeklies cause no one likes fury warriors

[atomic inlet]

hey question guys tomorow we can make tier sets does it need spark?

[ionic fern]

We can't.

[atomic inlet]

why not

isnt it week 6

[undone verge]

23rd I believe

[atomic inlet]

you can create them through the Inspiration Catalyst 6 weeks after Dragonflight Mythic+ Season 1 begins. You can also find the set pieces in the Great Vault weekly chest.

[undone verge]

Or 24th, whatever day

[atomic inlet]

wich day are we in right now? 😄

[ionic fern]

Pick your poison, plenty of dates going around.

🙂

I also know Jan 23rd.

[atomic inlet]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/warrior-primalist-tier-sets-in-dragonflight#:~:text=The Warrior tier set tokens,Dragonflight Mythic%2B Season 1 begins.

[undone verge]

Yes but are you sure it’s not week six from DF release? Cause those are two different dates

[atomic inlet]

getting it from icy veins idk

[undone verge]

I’m actually asking cause idk

All I know is I have 4 set so idc

[ionic fern]

It's 6 weeks after MYTHIC VoTi opens.

Not 6 weeks after DF.

[atomic inlet]

ow ok then

i craft my firefrost waist right away

cause of this 😄

[undone verge]

I need to grind Court of Stars for that trinket

[atomic inlet]

damn trinket

never drop

[undone verge]

It’ll either drop first time for me, or take 30 attempts at least

[atomic inlet]

what + key u chose to go with?

i try 17 for 402 sake

but u can make +++ lower

[formal grail]

which trinket? windscar?

[atomic inlet]

yp

[undone verge]

Don’t know, I’ll probably star with lower keys cause I haven’t actually Tanked a CoS this tier

Then do anything 15+

[toxic pewter]

anyone ever have an issue in m+ rezzing with soul stone? sometimes when I click it nothing happens and I have to reload my UI

[deep spruce]

January 23rd is a Monday, why is the catalyst going live on a Monday o.O

[ionic fern]

🤷

[blazing condor]

so you can get 2p in 2 days

pog

[blazing condor]

hasn't happened to me once - maybe faulty addon or something

[graceful kite]

you should have 100% uptime on shield block and use ip to not overcap rage generally

[graceful kite]

that usually happens when you're out of cr's

[toxic pewter]

oh interesting

[potent gale]

name suits the level

[toxic pewter]

so i have ss on me, but they cast a cr on someone else

[blazing condor]

yes that can also be the case

[random goblet]

is it worth it to go down ilvls for 4 set on prot warrior?

[blazing condor]

i read it as you reload ui and it works

[fresh girder]

Curious about this too

[graceful kite]

if you're going very high keys maybe

[jagged pier]

Yes

[graceful kite]

on 20-21s there are no issues with survivability so far

except for the 3rd in tjs

[undone verge]

3rd boss is ToJS sucks

[random goblet]

I had a lot of trouble with 2nd boss in RLP

but it got nerfed

[undone verge]

Haven’t done RLP on a high key yet, but the only other boss that slaps me around is hyrja

[fresh girder]

Hyrja is indeed mean

[craggy pilot]

is spear of bastion a play in TJS? for the minions in the last pack?

[random goblet]

Do you guys know how much the item level of your shield matters? I'm still stuck with a Normal Eranog shield and thought about crafting a 418 with next the spark we get this reset

[undone verge]

Shield is pretty big for surv

Kinda like how big weapon is for dps

[random goblet]

Makes sense

thanks for all help+input

[toxic pewter]

Oh sorry, no, i reload and have to release

[toxic pewter]

I have to be honest I have yet to run SoB in any m+ and dont really want to

[craggy pilot]

yea same

Roar just feels so much better

[kind rapids]

Do we ever wanna spend violent outburst in thunderclap?

[toxic pewter]

But I suppose some use for it can be found

[craggy pilot]

but i see a PWarr has spear in Gingi +20 key

[craggy pilot]

in AOE

i think its when 4+ targets

[kind rapids]

But only bigger aoe pulls or

Alright gotcha

[craggy pilot]

so just do Revenge into Violent Outburst TC

[toxic pewter]

I mean Spear probably can find some use thats for sure

[craggy pilot]

not 100% sure its 4+ targets though, but something around that

[craggy pilot]

just thinking something like dungeons where you need to kite

thankfully not a lot of those currently

[toxic pewter]

should run it and let us know how it goes

[graceful kite]

premade 20? cuz 20s are in a pugworld and random things happen there

[craggy pilot]

i think they are 4man prem, and found random tank with a +20 key

[graceful kite]

I had 50k overall dps in 20s

[craggy pilot]

hes boosting his GF 😄

[graceful kite]

I mean 50k overall dps of a dps player

[kind rapids]

I have no idea how much damage I should be doing

I feel like I dont do enough

[craggy pilot]

i do 40k+ depending on dungeon

at 405 ilvl

[tender cove]

It very much depends on the group and their ability. A shit group? 30k. A good group? 45-50k

[kind rapids]

Am doing keys between 16-18 and doing between 30-35k at 396ilvl with a 2set

[tender cove]

If you pull singles? your dps is gonna be shite

[craggy pilot]

it depends on dungeon and pull size etc etc

[fallen pulsar]

Depends on dungeon and how large your pulls are too

[kind rapids]

Also my trinkets could use some work

Am using an m0 hoof from ruby and scale from nokhud

Havent gotten a single trinket but those two so far

[fallen pulsar]

M0 hoof oof

[kind rapids]

Yep

Big oof

And I dont wanna valor it

[tender cove]

Have you actually farmed for trinkets?

[kind rapids]

Too much valor when I could get a higher one

[formal grail]

m0 horn and rumbling from normal raid for me

[kind rapids]

Wouldnt really say I farmed no, am not surprised Im not getting the good ones tho

Cleared HC and Normal raid this week

Apart from HC rasz

Cannot get a pug together who can clear it yet

I run this currently

Gonna upgrade lariat to 418 this week

The belt is the frostfire belt

[onyx pike]

at which point can I start to blame the healer? In RLP I'm simply spamming SR and IP to stay alive. I also use CDs on hard overlaps, how can I die. Its a +19 and my healer is pumping betweent 30-50k hps. I don't feel like doing anything wrong here.

[fallen pulsar]

Depending on how much grinding of 16+ keys you do you can have 4 crafted items at 415-418 ilvl after todays’s reset

[atomic inlet]

are u a dwarf?

[onyx pike]

Orc

[kind rapids]

Not too many because of uni

[lunar widget]

second boss ? show talents

[onyx pike]

1st boss

[atomic inlet]

so u shoud run 2 shield wall for that if u were dwarf u coude have dispell another one
after that rotate to other defensive like shout and lots of igonr pain
if didnt work probebly ur healer is to blame

[lunar widget]

circle zone too close ?

[onyx pike]

2nd boss I never had a problem with

nope, always around 30-40y

[atomic inlet]

also spell reflect for 20% damage reduc is very good

[lunar widget]

every one is dying then ?

[merry cradle]

pug update: staying alive. was close to get das boot. shield wall when interupt orbs spawn saves me

[atomic inlet]

ow u talking about first bos sry my bad 😄

[onyx pike]

2nd is mostly fine

or let me put it that way, on 2nd boss i know when I die why I died

But on 1st it just seems like my healer can't keep up with everything

same on 2nd boss in Jade. On high keys on Tyr it seems certain that the healer needs the buff 24/7

But I'm always fighting to stay alive even with double wall

[kind rapids]

They do

Especially if the party isnt working stacks properly

[onyx pike]

Im talking pugs here btw. Stacks are mostly fine

[kind rapids]

Had a cracked healer on my 18 ytd and he was handling it no problem

[onyx pike]

its really just that im dying slowly and cant do anything about it

[atomic inlet]

u actually shoudnt take a lot of damage on first boss if u rotate ur spell reflect fine

[tender cove]

I learned yd you often dont want double wall as it's cd is 1.5 minute vs 1 min for the other talent.

[atomic inlet]

and lots of ignor pain

[onyx pike]

Im using SR on cd there

[onyx pike]

good point, sometimes I just feel better with 2 stacks, its not often, but in certain dungeons i pref 2 stacks.

[graceful kite]

if healer gets the buff others should stay melee

and healer wouldnt even need to cast any heals to keep everyone topped

[hasty wraith]

Lepan put out a video on Ruby Life Pools from a pwar perspective. He explain talents and how to deal with bosses and trash packs. Might be worth a look

[onyx pike]

Just feels like I'm not to problem, idk, im not a pro either.

Just feels like im doing MY stuff right. 🤷

[lunar widget]

First boss does magical damages, so only stuff you can do is ingore pain and reflect. Wall if you can

and heal potion

[kind rapids]

Magical damage bosses

I hate them

[hasty wraith]

Spell block is also insanely good on that boss

[kind rapids]

3rd boss jade

Bane of my existence

[hasty wraith]

Don’t know if you play that

[onyx pike]

I do on Tyrannical

Just feels like this was a tough week in general 😄

only managed to get 1 20 done.

[edgy spear]

1st boss just pumps you. 30-50k hps doesn't sound excessively high for a 19 tyr key, esp. in RLP. Rotate what defensives you have (maybe play in dstance), use reflect etc. to ease the burden, but in the end you aren't gonna be able to live without getting more than just "scraps" of healing from the healer

[graceful kite]

that hps is low

[onyx pike]

I'm sitting in dstance on that boss from pull on 😄

same for 2nd boss

only 3rd i play in Ostance

[graceful kite]

you can take spell block in rlp if you're uncomfortable there

[onyx pike]

yea its 20s of peace at least

goes well with SR cd

[graceful kite]

I think your healer is slacking honestly

[onyx pike]

yea was thinking the same, 50k on that boss just isnt a lot

[graceful kite]

especially with the chillstorm nerf healer should be fine healing tank more

[hasty wraith]

Overlaps between frigid shard and the blast is quite deadly. It is a very good time to use a defensive

[fallen pulsar]

Re: double wall - sometimes needed in fights with many large damage DoTs in a short timeframe. TJS boss 3 and RLP boss 2 come to mind. Crawth I think is in this category too

But otherwise, one shield wall is good enough

[onyx pike]

Crawth I have the same problem honestly. no idea what I can do

Just might've been too much running this week

[fallen pulsar]

Having an evoker to coordinate with helps

They can cleanse the bleed every minute

And give you a pseudo-stagger

[onyx pike]

But crawth is also annoying because of the huge hp pool, at some point a dps dies and then its over 😄

[hasty wraith]

Pwar does need external healing on hard bosses. Used to play DK where I could sustain myself, so I know your struggle 😄

[rigid schooner]

so did HC raza last night in a guild im trialing for im not a experience prot warr and i dont really know 100% what i wanna look for in my logs to see where i need to improve. Would go to analyzer but i believe that is not updated for DF. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LT8PWrh42cfqCVBH#type=summary&boss=2607&difficulty=4&wipes=1&source=14

Thanks in advance :D

[onyx pike]

same, even played BDK yesterday but that one is only 380ish rn.

[hasty wraith]

I really miss that button that will safe my life when I am almost dying

[fallen pulsar]

@rigid schooner shield block uptime is really bad

72%

[kind rapids]

Does he need it all the time tho?

If rasz aint hitting him it shouldnt be needed to have it up

[fallen pulsar]

Yes

Shield block increases shield slam damage

[kind rapids]

Oh right

Fair fair

[fallen pulsar]

Also in defensive stance for 21% of the fight

Cpm seems a bit on the lower end as well

[uncut forge]

Hi all, i've crafted the elemental lariat, but just wondering if there is like a "next best thing" to use spark on? Like armor spikes or the vers wrists or even just a high ilvl shield? or is it just personal pref cause they all the same and just go for highest ilvl increase

[blazing condor]

high ilvl shield is probably the most important piece to get as a pwarr

only piece you get block value from

get a shield sorted then wep if you wanna craft more

for embellishments its w/e

[uncut forge]

Got a 402 weap, so will upgrade shield from 379 then xD

Yeh, from what i've seen written everywhere, embelishments are all pretty similar so was just wondering in case i missed something

[jagged pier]

Can we stop saying uptime really bad metrics

He blocked hits are low

[kindred portal]

Hello, sorry new to pwar (literally, started today), saw this statement in passing and wanted to ask, is that bad? Should it be higher or lower?

[obsidian path]

It's a defensive cooldown

[rigid schooner]

I was in defensive stance since I felt like I kinda needed it.

[obsidian path]

You get to use it as much as you feel like

[fallen pulsar]

Sure, I could be mistaken on my understanding of how to tell shield block uptime

[reef holly]

Does the CoS skip, where the doors open near the entrance with the 2 constructs still work?

[fallen pulsar]

Or like, how much it was actually up while fighting

[kindred portal]

Ah I see, thanks!

[marble cipher]

another (albeit non prot warrior related) macro question.
I have a mouseover macro to set a skull target, but, I'd like it NOT to toggle the marker off if I do it again (I have the keybind on scrollwheel, so it's very easy to trigger it multiple times)

/tm [@mouseover] 8

Is this something that can be done by using the ! conditional in there somewhere?

[grave knoll]

when undergeread i should play defstance most of the time, right? just dinged trying to get some weekly dungeons in

[fallen pulsar]

Ideally defensive stance isn’t needed, but dipping into it for a big hit and then out of it is fine, depends on your healing situation and how you’re rotating through defensives. But for the most part being in bstance as much as possible is more desireable

[craggy pilot]

try !8

/tm [@mouseover] !8

[grave knoll]

thanks mate. i'll try how much i get shrekt

[marble cipher]

almost, now I can't set the marker on another target 😄

[timber garnet]

Any tips for someone switching from fury to prot in mythic raids such as rotations and tips and stuff ?

[craggy pilot]

ah ye true it doesnt work 😄

[marble cipher]

maybe I should just scroll less, or put it on a "press" keybind rather than "scroll" rofl

[tender cove]

With literally every tank except monks doing the same keys, can you really argue pwarr so much ahead of everyone else?
I only play alt pally so can't really comment on all the tanks but i dunno. Maybe I'm just bad but I cant grasp why everyone and their mama is so hateful against warrior tanks.
Are we actually broken cuz I don't really see it myself but again, maybe i'm just bad or dont have much to compare with.

[craggy pilot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/d2a76s/created_a_great_macro_for_marking_targetmouseover/

try the macro from here

[timber garnet]

Not so much broken just alot of other tanks are under tuned

[fallen pulsar]

Every flavor of the month class gets a lot of hate, usually because people end up seeing either: the top 5% guy that makes it look nuclear busted, or the people playing it without understanding it and doing really shitty

[tender cove]

I probably shouldn't venture into sites like reddit, mmo champ etc but people are legit raging about warr tanks and I dont get why anyone would be so upset about it.
I never saw this s1 for vdh, not bdk/bear in s3 or bdk in s4.

[fallen pulsar]

I also dont really get much hate afaik, at least I dont outwardly get told anything lmfao

[tender cove]

It's even on trade all day everyday

[fallen pulsar]

Ah I dont pay attention to trade

It’s like negative brain cells in there with the hot takes

[craggy pilot]

feel like im getting clapped in some dungeons, and not in others

on +18 upwards

just did 18 RLP and got clapped by first boss

had no issue the other day on +17

think im just not focused today

[marble cipher]

that works! Thanks
Only downside (but I can totally live with that) is that you can't remove the marker completely, the mob must die OR you swap the marker elsewhere, you can't mouseover "nothing" and use it to clear the marker from where it currently is

but again, that's fine imo

[novel elm]

Once I have a shield should I be opening vault in dps spec?

[mental scarab]

Yeas

Fury

[fallen pulsar]

Idk prot warrior damage also isn’t like this mystical thing only we can do, I’ve seen monks dish out some ludicrous damage

[novel elm]

Thank you I was probably going to craft the shield this next spark so I’ll open in fury

[marble cipher]

if you have a high ilvl shield and high ilvl weapon, open in arms, so you can't get 1h either

Fury can still get those

[mental scarab]

Shield is all We need

[marble cipher]

I personally am opening vault in prot until I get a 421 shield 🤷‍♂️

(even with having a 415 shield already)

[timber garnet]

Should i be berserker stance when tanking ?

[novel elm]

I’ll cook something up thanks lads

[novel elm]

More dmg = bigger dps good

[timber garnet]

Hmm só when should I be switching to prot ?

[tender cove]

dead tank = no dps.

[tender cove]

It will depend on who you ask. Most will tell you to view it as a regular CD you toggle for tank busters.

[novel elm]

Healer problem

[tender cove]

Sure, but it becomes a group problem. If you need defstance, even perma sit in it to survive and time your key? Thats what you do.

[jagged pier]

Because ppl dont like warrior its simple as that, if any other tank is top literally no one cares if warrior is stop everyone stop the world is falling

[tender cove]

yeh but why? I dont get the hate towards us.

[timber garnet]

Anyone have an ideal way i should set up my abilities in my hotbar?

[jagged pier]

U dont all tanks are very close to each in terms of survivability

[tender cove]

He meant def stance, or at least i think he did.

[jagged pier]

No clue, its doesnt matter to me whats strong. Maybe its due to how hard its been in the past. To play at the same level as other tanks. Or ppl dont like not being able to heal even tho that doesnt matter if u play prot correctly

I dunno

Or ppl are bored of warrior cause its in every rpg

Even tho they can play what they want

[fallen pulsar]

Jakey so how do you actually find shield block uptime in a log? Like for purposes of checking if dps is low

[blazing condor]

damage taken > melee > hover over "hits"

[jagged pier]

But then they argue but i wont be invited if im not meta. Which in itself is wrong cause for the last like 4 expansions where warrior has been sub par most of the time ive literally never had an issue getting into groups

They will also refuse to make their own group for some reason

Its just confirmation bias

[fallen pulsar]

But in a raid you aren’t taking melees the whole fight assuming theres a tank swap mechanic, wouldnt hits be inaccurate

[blazing condor]

well since you're just looking at melee hits

[jagged pier]

Yer so uptime is even more useless

[fallen pulsar]

Ah gotcha

[blazing condor]

you only see the hits that are done to you that are melee

[jagged pier]

Which is why u look at blocked hits

To see if your actually using it correctly

[fallen pulsar]

I thought we wanted the buff up all the time even when not tanking the boss

[jagged pier]

The highest damage spec u can have sb up all the time so u need to use it correctly

[blazing condor]

i mean we get damage% from having SB up

[jagged pier]

U want it up as long as when u start tanking again u have 2 stacks

[austere marsh]

havent played prot in a while: is shield very important? I have 402ilvl overall as prot but my shield is 370ilvl - wonder if I should use a spark on it (playing dps in raid so usually running arms loot spec)?

[blazing condor]

yes its important

only piece with block value on

huge for damage reduction

[fallen pulsar]

I mean idk shield block is up for me basically the entire fight in raid, I very rarely have it drop other than like small moments in intermissions which is where my confusion stems from

[novel elm]

I was doing some trolling I swap to defensive as a cool-down as to not have to run away 🙂

[reef holly]

what addon is everyone using to track your party's interrupts? and their cooldown?

[blazing condor]

omnicd

[tender cove]

omnicd

[blazing condor]

and some zentracker interrupt WA

[tender cove]

damn, you beat me too it

[blazing condor]

[reef holly]

thanks all

[tender cove]

Does anyone else think WA's has started going over the top? I used to think its a good aid (and still is..) but its gotten so much, its sorta losing its point of taking brain power away.

[blazing condor]

there's a whole discussion about it

[craggy pilot]

the amount of WAs i have currently

ungodly

[blazing condor]

its kind of a spiral where WAs can make bosses trivialised meaning blizz have to design bosses to bear WAs in mind = more WAs cus the bosses are harder =

too many people rely on WAs to play the game imo

[reef holly]

it's pretty much a must for me, although I find it hard to use some of the big boy tanks WA's. too much stuff on there I don't need. I just have all my important spells showing at all times. Kinda cluttered but I play better with them.

[craggy pilot]

i feel like i dont rly use WAs for a lot of bosses

i use WAs to show specific debuffs in a better spot

since moving the Debuff of wow default UI is horrible, since it shows so much random shit

[blazing condor]

people dont learn to actually look at the game and understand it and instead just does what the icons tell them

but thats my angry boomer take

[craggy pilot]

and its more like seeing whats actually happening in big mob pulls i feel is a bit overwhelming without WAs

[tender cove]

pretty much how I feel yes, myself included.

[craggy pilot]

like seeing when a frontal is happening when you have 10+ mobs pulled

with default UI

[jagged pier]

I just dont use them

[craggy pilot]

some of these Frontals are so hidden its insane

[tender cove]

not anything?

[craggy pilot]

Mortal Hew, i dont even know what im looking for

[tender cove]

I dont think i've even seen some visual for it, i just look for the grey casts.

[echo bramble]

What WA do you use for this?

[craggy pilot]

grey casts? but thats probably with plater as well right?

[craggy pilot]

i made my own

[jagged pier]

I have TMW for cooldowns like WAs which i can probs get rid off and certain boss ones the tanks are required to have i dont have one for this raid yet, and a combat timer

[tender cove]

yeh, i have a plater profile that color codes nameplates and casts.

[jovial birch]

It is only as over the top as you make it, you don’t need to clutter your screen full of shit that is your choice.

[jagged pier]

Oh and a rage bar

Thats it

[craggy pilot]

just to show shit like bleed in a better spot, surge of power etc etc

[tender cove]

speaking of that, my verdict is in. After having played both setups. The queazi one or w/e we talked about is far worse. The pally profile is superior for me.

[craggy pilot]

i modified the Quazii one quite a bit

still using it though

[tender cove]

It came an update to your main problem just days after we talked about it but for me, its mostly comes down to all the coloring it does.

[blazing condor]

i have a rage bar and some WAs that show uptime on my buffs, also some TMW

[tender cove]

tellmewhen, haven't heard that in a long long time, feels all nostalgic now 😄

[blazing condor]

tmw gang

[tender cove]

I started butchering nom's wa package yesterday but I can't get it to work properly now 😦

Its such a solid WA but he literally have every single ability in the entire game on those WA's, its just too much for me 😦

[untold crow]

I find bigwigs with bigwigs voice helps a ton, moreso than weak auras. Just a constant nice lady telling me when random mobs are casting things that matter (helps a ton with avoiding frontals)

[ornate thunder]

voice is amazing

no staring at bars or timers

[weary saddle]

betw bigwigs and dbm in 2023, which to choose?

[tender cove]

always bigwigs

[jovial birch]

Yeah for real I have been using DBM for a long time but it seems a lot of top end players use bigwigs now. What is the benefit of switching?

[untold crow]

Theres been a ton of times where I get hit by something then realized there was a WA debuff showing or something

[sick sentinel]

little wigs for me but thats just personal preference

[fallen pulsar]

Think it comes down to preference

[untold crow]

yeah, big wigs + little wigs

• big wigs voice

[fallen pulsar]

I havent had issues with dbm

[jovial birch]

Neither have I. That’s why I haven’t switched.

[untold crow]

they both do the job imo

[sick sentinel]

sorta like how my personal preference is to no longer log keys if im just gunna prog on 15's at best

[jovial birch]

It’s the whole grass may be greener on the other side thing though.

[untold crow]

no harm in trying out both, quazii has a bigwigs profile thats nice

[tender cove]

I like it for the ability timeline wa, that goes with bigwigs.

[sick sentinel]

its like, why would people honestly wanna see a log for 15 whewn everyone here is talking about 18+

im just embarassing myself show those logs

[jovial birch]

Hey man you do you no harm in a 15 by any means

[fallen pulsar]

I think if anyone is outright being an ass when you ask for a log review its fucked up lmao

[untold crow]

16 is the next loot hop though right?

[remote venture]

15+ are really good imo

[austere marsh]

what dungeons spell block is worth to take on? I keep running that m+ build from wowhead and find myself not changing anything coz am lazy xd

[fallen pulsar]

No issue wanting to improve regardless of where you are

[jovial birch]

Yeah 16 is better vault

[tender cove]

Nah, thats the wrong way to think. I always log and I dont mind showing this community a run of me doing an failed 11.
You should never be afraid to ask for help, you're here to improve, doesn't matter if its 11 or 22.

[earnest nymph]

RLP nerfs thank fuck

[fallen pulsar]

Yeh like freakadin said

[sick sentinel]

i don't believe it personally, am yogi btw incase someone forgot, apologies i popped off a bit earlier?

i guess?i got muted anyways

over like, nothing, someone said something, i said a follow up and tada

[frozen silo]

how often are we in defensive stance in keys? i just started playing prot so im trying to figure out the right balance

[jagged pier]

Your not

[junior raptor]

when it hurts 🙂

[tender cove]

mr yogi, my advice to you is something my mentor told me. "The only time you can truly fuck up? Its when you don't come and ask for help and instead make it worse. And remember, assumption is the mother of all fuckups".

[jagged pier]

Execpt for very sepcific things

[sick sentinel]

oh if only you knew

there is a dead 3700x because of me

at least, in 99% its full dead

[jagged pier]

He doesnt listen we gave him hours of help last expansion and hes reasponse was i do t like reading about what im doing wrong so i just didnt read it and didnt listen

Like he literally said that

[frozen silo]

ahh gotcha, so probably the bosses in the most recent pin

[tender cove]

that sounds like the conversation he had before he had to change his name xD

[remote venture]

It depans on your item level. I was able to be on Battle Stance in +8 keys with 388.

[jagged pier]

Nah not even then tbh as it says in the pin IF needed

[sick sentinel]

probably not fully in context im not sure, but im not splitting hairs either

[glacial skiff]

I pop into defensive stance for mechanics that hurt, otherwise full battle stance baby.

[tender cove]

You either gotta swallow your pride and be humble. Or you do your own thing but dont moan about it. You cant have your cake and eat it too bro.

[fallen pulsar]

I only dstance for stuff like rlp boss 2 or crawth after running out of other defensives

[echo bramble]

Do you have a link to the quazii bigwigs profile?

[tender cove]

check wago for fatpala paladin profile, its superior in my eyes.

[fallen pulsar]

And even then I swap back to b stance after the dots fall off

[autumn pendant]

Mandatory reminder that this exists prot guys

[sick sentinel]

the funny thing was i wasn't even moaing about anything this time, someone said they were killing "her" some assumedly girl boss, and all i said was "i always say kill him, interupt him, unless its very clearly a girl and even then if im stressed maybe not" and then "he's druink"

[sweet summit]

love that ss

[glacial skiff]

Quick question, is taking bitter immunity worthwhile for RLP/AA for the two bleed bosses?

[sweet summit]

it does not remove bleeds

[mellow minnow]

Hey guys wich shield is better to craft this week with the spark?

[glacial skiff]

WAIT WHAT

[jagged pier]

No it doesnt remove bleeds

That got changed in beta

[tender cove]

I've tried to give you several outs lol. You gotta let things go bro.

[glacial skiff]

Did they nerf it? I could’ve swore it worked on bleeds.

Well duck

[sweet summit]

changed some time during beta i think

[fallen pulsar]

Removed before launch

[sick sentinel]

i just typically think of a video game boss as being largely a big hairy sweaty guy

[autumn pendant]

Glad you caught a glimpse of it again

[jagged pier]

Yes u give them the buff on the twin boss

And they get a massive healing increase

[glacial skiff]

Man I’m tryna tank more 20’s. I tanked my first last night (HOV) and had fun despite depleting. We weren’t off by much, like 1-2 mins.

[craggy pilot]

weird, had +20 Temple with healer at 110k hps where we didnt kill it, and this time had 40k hps healer on +18 and we killed it

is the dmg that much less from +18 to +20?

[sweet summit]

nej

there's a bit going into how much healing is required on that boss

strat/specs etc

[craggy pilot]

we did same 7-7 strat

[sweet summit]

hmm

[sick sentinel]

i can ignore it the first 50 times......

[echo bramble]

Fatpala has uploaded a plater profile and then some paladin trackers. Nothing bigwigs related

[sick sentinel]

it gets annoying afterwords

therte im done

i said my piece

[tender cove]

Ohh, i'm blind, sry bro. I didnt see the "bigwigs" at the end. Thought you were asking about the quazi plater profile.

[echo bramble]

np! The Fatpala plater profile does look pretty good though

[steady karma]

guys where i can find build on prot M?

[sweet summit]

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sggmutz94bq9sw8/AAAzdSEgTvJQews7dXjFAjc9a?dl=0

[tender cove]

Ive used both but the color coding on the fatpala one is just outstanding.

[sweet summit]

@echo bramble

[craggy pilot]

oh well fucked my +20 Temple all the way to +17 🤣 might as well reroll it now

[echo bramble]

ty, will check it out

[craggy pilot]

since i already have a +17 timed

[echo bramble]

Will also try this one out 😄

[tender cove]

Was helping a guildie yd with AA 15. It got all the way down to 11 before I got blamed for not "carrying" hard enough, while my guildie died on every single boss to avoidable damage while also only being 2k lower on overall hps compared to almost all 4 healers. xD

[sick sentinel]

ive experienced that so much my self in keys under 15 that i just immediately leave on the second/third wipe if its not already going well and then just give up on my key

would rather fail it once than 3 or 4 times

[untold crow]

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sggmutz94bq9sw8/AAAzdSEgTvJQews7dXjFAjc9a?dl=0

[grave knoll]

any chance youre an angry frenchman? had one capslock flame me yesterday for 5min after he depleted his 18 tjs 😄

[remote venture]

Do you have a marco for stance change?

[sweet summit]

pins

[craggy pilot]

the +20 deplete was my own fault tbh, then +19 deplete was 2 pepega dps dying on first boss, +18 deplete was weak 2nd boss so i died through my CDs, and then healer left before 3rd boss 😄

[craggy pilot]

[craggy pilot]

only did Temple today bro

[grave knoll]

😄 kk

[remote venture]

Thanks!

[tender cove]

Is it just me or does people leave runs super quickly this reset? Just the tiniest mistake and someone leaves.

[craggy pilot]

people leave runs rly fast when theyre there for the score

[grave knoll]

probably because they cba and want to easy time some remaining keys for puntos

[craggy pilot]

not a lot of people do +19 for loot

[sick sentinel]

me, IF the key isn't going well already, and more so if its my own key

i will leave my own key in a nanosecond

[craggy pilot]

my +20 everyone was saying "lets stay for the vault"

and then healer went offline 😄

gotta love it

[tender cove]

I will rarely, if ever leave unless we cant even kill a boss.

[sick sentinel]

like okay

it depends right

if we die once on the firts boss

[tender cove]

not for me. because even a bricked/failed key lets me learn.

[craggy pilot]

yea i did 3 temple keys just now

and never got to the 3rd boss

[tender cove]

if i play for score? I will play with people i know, not some random pug.

[craggy pilot]

so didnt prac it in high keys

so nnext time might fuckup cus i have no idea how to rotate my CDs

[sick sentinel]

twice on the second boss again on wolf in HOV..... then again on last 2 bosses

thats where i start to leave, depends how bad its gone so far

[tender cove]

do you have the cd rotation? Erga posted it yd if you need it 🙂

[spice radish]

@craggy pilot wanna join my +27 for weekly?

KEKW

[craggy pilot]

you are Clapsoholic?

[spice radish]

++

[sweet summit]

based gamer

[scenic tusk]

Do any of you tank mythics but then play dps in raids?

[sick sentinel]

first boss of TJS can still be pain too,

[craggy pilot]

yes

[sweet summit]

that's what i did

[tender cove]

Not this season but I have done it plenty in the past.

[grave knoll]

be honest guys. is playing prot warrior very frustrating because its so easy and you see people fail and brick your runs all the time?

[sick sentinel]

i was running it on like a 11, and hydro lance hit me for 250 k

[tender cove]

I dont think its easy, so no.

[sick sentinel]

mostly because i ate tornadoe so dps didnt get hit by lance

[tender cove]

Just curious, what bosses have you found stupid hard to tank, if any?

ignore the usual korthia and grawth

[spice radish]

tank war is all about cd usage. its easy if you dont go full potato, a bad cd usage can punish you while other classes just makes ur time a bit harder.

number wise I hate 1st and 2nd boss on rlp

mechanical bosses its just the azure last boss I cba some times

[tender cove]

speaking of that boss, what is the trick with going on the little ledge? I just saw it quickly on streams but didnt understand what it did, if it did anything positive xD

[spice radish]

I also hate 1st boss sbg just coz timers are so fucked up, I throw half of my cds in trash because the boss does random things

[sick sentinel]

Last boss in av is my least favorite boss by far to tank, I hate that fight.

[spice radish]

you go on the edge because the boss spawns the crystals around it, but if you place it there, it can only throw crystals towards the middle of the area

and not outside of it

[tender cove]

ohh 😮

[craggy pilot]

makes a circle into a semi circle

more stacked fractures

[sick sentinel]

There was also a way you could get pushed up / leap up the wall so orbs couldn’t get to you. Not sure how feasible that is

[mental owl]

Guys my guild did a couple pulls on HC Diurna and I run into an issue where suddenly I was just getting 2 shotted by the boss, auto attacks hitting me for up to 200k suddenly. Was it me misstiming my shieldblock uptime? Any tips?

[craggy pilot]

20s are quite hard to come by this season i feel like

but maybe with more gear

[tender cove]

I'm always sorta impressed with people who do that many keys and I know you arent even on the high end xD

[deft mortar]

hows my fellow shield brothers

: - )

[tender cove]

I dont even have 50 total runs xD

[craggy pilot]

main reason why i have so many is because i spammed +16 COS

[deft mortar]

Changed key binding on my Last Stand and Shield Wall after like a decade

[craggy pilot]

did like 20-30 runs in COS this week

[deft mortar]

I am so gonna get fked

[tender cove]

this is a no no, i wish you luck bro

😄

[sick sentinel]

Get what you were after? Or just looking for crafting upgrades?

[craggy pilot]

Whetstone and Ring

[fallen pulsar]

i spam cos 16s for the upgrade

[tender cove]

Yeh, are you in the stonegang or not yet??

[deft mortar]

Hey yall cast ravager [@player]? I rly found no need for otherwise

[craggy pilot]

nah, i got a 405 Big Toe instead

[tender cove]

nah, @cursor for me

[craggy pilot]

i dont, since i like to throw it into the pack as i charge

[sick sentinel]

I lucked out and my healer got the ring last night after a bunch of runs. It good for port? Didn’t read into it much

[sick sentinel]

send shield transmog boe's to tankian area 52

[deft mortar]

hmm valid

[inland raft]

Nah def at cursor, its good to throw on your way into a pack to save gcd

[sick sentinel]

am shield tansmog collector

[fallen pulsar]

I have @heavy mirage for my opener/when in melee and @slow bayor otherwise

[deft mortar]

dis my shield

[fallen pulsar]

I apologize to the pings

Didnt remember to add a space

[tender cove]

I used to have a shift modifer for that reason but I just end up sending it wrong constantly so removed that.

[sick sentinel]

basic transmog, but very good

[polar girder]

I am struggling with rage generation to be able to keep Shield Block and IP up all times in mythics on bosses. which should i prioritize?

[sick sentinel]

i used something like it for alot of BFA

[tender cove]

Generally speaking shieldblock with the caveat of bosses doing damage that can't be blocked.

[deft mortar]

i like it

its removed too so

[craggy pilot]

nice shield bro

[deft mortar]

damn brother

[polar girder]

Which is usually like spell damage right?

[tender cove]

for the most part, yes.

[polar girder]

kk so depending on boss prioritize appropriately. So tree boss in AA on +11 probably want to shield block on phase two when adds spawn

[fallen pulsar]

Spell block and reflect dont affect dots

[oak echo]

you should always be keeping shield block up as a first prio on pretty much any fight. if you have rage gen issues on that fight in particular i question if you're using tclap enough. rage gen from bleeds alone should be causing you to smash your buttons just to not overcap

[jagged pier]

U want sb up all the time

[topaz field]

u aim for 100 % uptime on shieldblock anything else is bad given how easy it is with current prot war

[polar girder]

the bird boss in AA i feel like i am super rage starved

[sick sentinel]

thats the new transmong i've went with after getting shield shoulders and hammer

[polar girder]

specifically

[lost canyon]

what should we craft Obsidian Seared Slicer 418 MH / Primal Molten Longsword 418 MH ? Idk if there is something better about the sword or about the axe

[oak echo]

bird i can sorta understand. idk about starved but it's harder for sure because of how much you're using to stay alive from peck

[tender cove]

doesn't matter, i crafted axe because the crafter could only do that.

[oak echo]

what's your haste at?

[sick sentinel]

form what i've leanred about the bird boss is NEVER EVER stand in the fire circles

[polar girder]

um let me look

[plush tendon]

Swords, because swords are cooler: and its just mats, no difference

[oak echo]

i hope that goes without saying lol

[sick sentinel]

i wont do that again......

[polar girder]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[tender cove]

What are you talking about? Its common knowledge that fire puddles gives +25% dps 😄

[plush tendon]

I think Obsidian items tend to be cheaper

to make

[toxic pewter]

This weeks affixes spiteful grevious

[plush tendon]

its gonna be a doozy

[toxic pewter]

Spiteful pretty annoying

[oak echo]

idk what i hate grievous on more fort or tyr

[plush tendon]

Doesnt affect tanks

[sick sentinel]

this was an i think 11 AA, and anyways i was so cocerned with the uhhhhhhhhhh

[toxic pewter]

Yah not bad for us just annoying for the group dynamic I mean

[plush tendon]

100% Tyr imo

[tawny kiln]

I'm pretty sure that some of the DPS I've grouped with believe so

[oak echo]

i'm already pouring one out for everyone that doesn't skip flamegullet in RLP this week

[fallen pulsar]

It’ll be interesting to see how long DPS players take to realize they can’t just stand on/walk into the spiteful ghosts

[sick sentinel]

i cant think of what itscalled, screech possibly? that i was actively ignoring the fire circles and not looking for them

[toxic pewter]

I plan to keep my momentum going fast so people just outrun the shades

[sick sentinel]

so i literal wasn't even looking for fire that time

and thats how i do keys i learn slowly over time and make progession

so, when i go into a 11 or 12 or 13, i don't immedaitely understand whats killed me cuz ive ben doing +7s the prior week

process of elimination, well, that didnt work and that didnt seem to work, maybe we can try strat 2 or strat 3 next time

[deft mortar]

Do u have DBM

as well as the dungeon addition to DBM

[sick sentinel]

sure, but it doesn't really distinguish between this cirlce is going to hit for only 25k, and this other one will hit for 300k, same key level affixes

or like, this a a 14, so you really have to watch out now

[wooden widget]

So yogi got banned? And is now posting on a new acct?

[sick sentinel]

nah just muted, i think if they wanted to ban me they would have

[wooden widget]

Oh

[sick sentinel]

and it was over literal nothing 3 year old child conversation basically

also, this account is older than first mute, by many months probaly a year or 2 or more now

only 2 (accounts and mutes, no noti additional accounts)

[halcyon gate]

Does anyone else get absolutely CHUNKED by the 3rd boss in TJS?

[wooden widget]

So yogi got muted and is posting on a new acct?

[halcyon gate]

The jade serpect kick takes about 85% of my hp

[gritty glen]

Don't really need a history lesson on your drama. Just stick to prot war chat please.

[halcyon gate]

Through IP

[amber siren]

@halcyon gate Very standard experience, people are taking 2 SW's for it

[gritty glen]

Yes, rotate CDs and coordinate with heals

[halcyon gate]

Okay, my DH buddy said his hp barely moved doing a 19

and I was very confused as to how

[sick sentinel]

so, if you wish do believe in your own headcannon that this is a new accountt

okay

[halcyon gate]

Is this specifically a prot war issue?

[gritty glen]

What do you mean? Are you asking if the ability hits only warriors harder than other tanks?

[fallen pulsar]

you can also spell block the 2nd phase serpent kick iirc

[halcyon gate]

Just if something about DH mitigation gives them a leg up on this. He said he lost about 10%, even with shield wall I'm going down to about half

[spring falcon]

Jade Serpent Kick is magic damage. You can use spell reflect to mitigate 20% of the damage

[gritty glen]

Maybe he used AMS

[plush tendon]

3rd boss temple is certainly harder for Prots then other tanks, but there are ways to deal with it

[halcyon gate]

But taking double wall and coordinating with heals is a good idea. Thank you all.

[gritty glen]

Oh DH, not DK

[sick sentinel]

is it less healing asborb if you DR JSK?

like its based on dmg how much healing asbord

im sure not but

[limpid anchor]

Why’s mute evasion allowed

[spring falcon]

Jade Serpent Strike is the one that leaves the healing absorb.

[fallen pulsar]

you should also be using personal heals to remove the heal absorb @halcyon gate impending victory the first, last stand the second, impending the third, potion/lockrock the 4th

[plush tendon]

I think plka and erga posted their def rotation for that boss

which can be a helpful starting point

of course, pray to jesus is one of your defensives XD

[sick sentinel]

yogi drama lore time is over

[halcyon gate]

Last stand counts as a heal for that?

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[plush tendon]

30% heal

[halcyon gate]

Well hot damn

[plush tendon]

but ya gotta do it after the dot is applied I think

[fallen pulsar]

yep

you can spell block before the kick to stop it afaik too

[halcyon gate]

Makes sense. Great help everyone, I have been strugglefucking them to death but that should help a lot

[plush tendon]

the ability happens every 15 sec

[errant sedge]

Tell your DDs to use cds and BL at 70% to melt the phase

[plush tendon]

also, saving lust there is bis

[fallen pulsar]

yeah lust on p2 is ideal

p1 and p3 are easy

[remote venture]

Hm, can this also help if you have low hp and want to remove grievous debuff?

[plush tendon]

even last boss is much easier now

so your healer cant be like 'omg, we need lust last boss soooo hard'

[fallen pulsar]

grievous like, the affix? Dunno, I was outta town previous grievous

[halcyon gate]

Yeah once we finally got it down the last boss was 1 shot

[fallen pulsar]

I'll learn this week 😅

[plush tendon]

its % health

but it doesnt remove a stack

[spring scarab]

Spell block - last stand - close eyes - pray

[plush tendon]

I read it first as like 'low health' as in 'low stam'

[remote venture]

I suspect that, thanks for confirming

[plush tendon]

also, double SW talent goated

felt really nice having that

[fallen pulsar]

double SW is great to handle some bosses

[craggy pilot]

18++ Temple finally ❤️

[sick sentinel]

i do like spell block alot after trying it, probably will swap back some times, but its a good one

[remote venture]

Should I go with Bitter Immunity for grievous week?

[plush tendon]

naw

Grievous aint really a you problem

[craggy pilot]

how does the Key reroll work after dung? we did ++18 Temple, and i HSd by accident, then i went back and shes still there but cant reroll my +17 Temple? 🤔

[plush tendon]

just play as you normally would

[craggy pilot]

youre thinking about the Wound affix

which isnt in rotation anymore

[fallen pulsar]

bitter is pretty niche of a pickup

[oak echo]

i think bitter immunity requires giving up too much for how long the cd is and not working on bleeds

[amber siren]

bitter immunity doesn't remove bleeds anyway

[oak echo]

idk that i'd ever take it

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, if it removed bleeds I'd take it

[plush tendon]

if it worked on bleeds... it would be much better

[craggy pilot]

or in Necrotic week

[fallen pulsar]

on RLP and AA 🙂

[craggy pilot]

but thats gone right?

[oak echo]

yes necro is gone

[plush tendon]

no more necrotic

[fallen pulsar]

necrotic is gone thankfully

[marble cipher]

the dude despawns after a timer, and it also stops interacting with people that zoned out of the instance for some reason

[craggy pilot]

they put in Bitter Immunity to fix Necrotic, but then remove Necrotic 😄

[craggy pilot]

ah fuck

guess i missed a chance of +17 SMBG / COS

how much more tanky would i be with Fated Fortune Cookie + Eye of the Storm Phial instead of Glacial Fury / Secondary stat food 🤔

[sick sentinel]

isn't it a bleed effect? just bring prevoker

[oak echo]

true but at least the RLP boss got nerfed

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

Fated Fortune Cookie = 150 str
Phial of the Eye = 750 str
🤔

so like 900+ str

[fallen pulsar]

excited to try her on next tyrannical

now that she's nerfed

[plush tendon]

Grievous aint really bad; what it does it makes group wide damage more punishing then normal and punishes player mistakes much harder

but its kind of a healer problem; just make sure you playing the packs correctly and reducing unneccessary damage

[fallen pulsar]

150 str from cookie? are you a panda?

[sick sentinel]

greivous is literal "don't stand in that and use DR's" for tanks

[halcyon gate]

Is the Cobalt Assembly Ring like a must have till you get the other one from raid?

I have a super high haste/vers ring but some people in guild say the shield is worth

[plush tendon]

IDK... tryi t out?

[fallen pulsar]

shield is like 10% mit iirc

[plush tendon]

I have already given up on my cobalt rings

[craggy pilot]

yes

[plush tendon]

but i got a 415 AA ring and a 418 shield ring

[halcyon gate]

nut

[plush tendon]

but I got rid of them once I had a 400 I level ring

[craggy pilot]

but do we use Eye in the Storm for high keys?

since Str > dmg proc?

[plush tendon]

you can use whichever

[fallen pulsar]

I use eye in m+, but some people like glcial more

[plush tendon]

I use glacial fury cause my guild makes them

so saves me gold

[oak echo]

also friendly reminder this week if you play with a healer you like to contact your local mage before you start doing keys so you can easily heal between shitty pulls

[sick sentinel]

me personally i have been using eye of storm

10+'s

[craggy pilot]

ah ok, and on +20 Glacial Fury still?

[fallen pulsar]

I've been starting to swap to glacial for tyrannical though

since the damage on boss matters

[plush tendon]

Im not saying its right.... im just saying I dont like to spend gold

[marble cipher]

Eye on bigger trash dungeons, Glacial on SBG/COS/low trash dungeons;
Vers if I ran out of the other ones and didn't notice before the run 😄

[plush tendon]

but glacial does good damage so its better then nothing

[craggy pilot]

4% dmg ye

sophic devotion more dmg tho i guess?

[remote venture]

So it won't work. Got it

[plush tendon]

I use sophic cause I raid

[sick sentinel]

is therte a point where eye of the storm falls off easily for us?

[plush tendon]

and I aint looking to change enchants all the time

[sick sentinel]

like in a certain key say

[plush tendon]

strength proc is just always good

[sick sentinel]

thats what im sayin

[south zealot]

wtb reprisal and banner

[plush tendon]

no reprisal

just banner

[sick sentinel]

but if you only got 2 stacks of 110 str for rnak 1 or whatever

[plush tendon]

I miss banner

[sick sentinel]

not barely worth shit

[south zealot]

reprisal made prot fun

[plush tendon]

but also, any key im doing (and we pushing 20 and 21) isnt gonna be timed cause we dont have enough damage

[oak echo]

reprisal was honestly what made me not play pwar in SL lol

didn't pick it back up again until prepatch

[plush tendon]

its gonna be wiped if we dont play packs correctly or miss important mechs or poor routing

[sick sentinel]

NO, i came up with these ideas and major regrettiy

let the dev do dev things is lesson leanred

[south zealot]

i didnt know how much i liked reprisal until its gone

[plush tendon]

but no movement speed or rage or % strength 😦

[south zealot]

theres nothing fun about prot warrior right now

[sick sentinel]

reprisal maybe, banner no, not the infinite banner

[plush tendon]

thats a hot take

[oak echo]

i will never miss intervene weaving

[craggy pilot]

its banner tho

[amber siren]

I'm having the most fun with prot since legion easily

[south zealot]

the only thing that makes prot fun is that its just objectively better than other classes

[plush tendon]

yea, but its a false imitation of the glory of banner

I also miss Ancient Aftershock

[south zealot]

but thats not protection as a spec being fun thats a “im op as fuck” fun

[sick sentinel]

i mean, you get the shield charge reprisal like effect if talent

[plush tendon]

AA shouldve replaced shockwave

[amber siren]

🤷 subjective to you

[plush tendon]

and shockwave be baseline or somewhere else on our tree

[tawny kiln]

there's nothing more fun than mid air charging back to something that knocked you back

[south zealot]

being op is always fun, if prot right not had the strength levels of guardian noone will say its fun

[warm plinth]

Lol what

[sick sentinel]

prot in 9.0................

[amber siren]

🎣

[warm plinth]

Prot warrior has always been fun to play

[sick sentinel]

those were some fucked days.....

[south zealot]

theres almost no way to prove youre a good prot warrior right now

[warm plinth]

Get out of here with that

[oak echo]

prot isn't even OP though?

[plush tendon]

so

[oak echo]

there's 4 tanks all doing the same keys

[cosmic lichen]

Do you macro IP to anything? Like shield slam etc, just to keep it up?

[plush tendon]

you can macro SS to IP

[sick sentinel]

mostly it has been fun to play but it wasnt very good in 9.0 9.1

[plush tendon]

so that if you get a SS proc when you press IP... you use it and save a milisecond

[sick sentinel]

i didnt have any fun at all personally

[plush tendon]

but dont macro IP into other abilties

[oak echo]

there's a ss/ip macro in pins. you use it in place of IP but not in place of SS

[warm plinth]

Keeping it up is not a priority. And the macro with SS is not to keep it up. It's to make sure you can snipe SS resets without overcapping rage.

[south zealot]

9.2.5 prot warrior was the most fun ive had in any spec ever

[cosmic lichen]

See thats opposite of the advice I get, IP up is the priority

[south zealot]

sure but prot has the easiest time doing so

[plush tendon]

IP is a rage dump

[warm plinth]

That's what bad pwars think

[marble cipher]

well, it's not 😄

[plush tendon]

not a defensive to track like SB, SoTR or boneshield

[marble cipher]

dump rage into IP, and you'll basically almost always have it up as a result anyway

[south zealot]

no reason to keep IP up if youre not taking any meaningful damage

[cosmic lichen]

I'm not doubting you, but thats literally the advice this channel gave yesterday

[plush tendon]

[cosmic lichen]

and was told to keep IP up even if im not tanking, like in a raid, the other tank has it

[warm plinth]

You will naturally have high uptime on IP with proper play anyway

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i don't know if we EVER given that advice

or you were talking to some super yogi

[south zealot]

whoever told you this is just objectively wrong

[plush tendon]

yea, pretty sure thats like a big no no

[south zealot]

if youre not taking damage there is 0 reason to have it up

[plush tendon]

this channel is full of haste crit gang max damage prot warriors

[cosmic lichen]

let me search for myself in this channel and see

[warm plinth]

You don't "keep it up". You have to press it to prevent overcapping rage because revenge by itself often isn't enough.

[plush tendon]

not this, IP all the time need to stack vers prot warriors

[sick sentinel]

i need crit for my critcal block

[remote venture]

IP is the first rage spener with Prot Warrior

[south zealot]

what

[warm plinth]

No, revenge is

[undone verge]

Keep Shieldblock up even when ur not tanking cause it increases Shield slam dmg

[warm plinth]

He's memeing

[cosmic lichen]

I do that, do you macro shield block to anything? Like shield slam? Or other way around too?

[sick sentinel]

woosh its a joke , even yogi not that dumb

[heady gyro]

is there any difference between the 1 handed sword and 1 handed axe for crafting? or is either fine

[plush tendon]

no difference in stats

[warm plinth]

No, you don't macro SB to anything

[plush tendon]

just make sure it has strength on it

[amber siren]

all weapons are normalised

[plush tendon]

and not intellect

[lucid raven]

If all I really need is a shield (and have a spark this week for one).

Is my best bet opening the vault in Arms?

[south zealot]

seeing as someone just said they were told IN THIS DISCORD to always keep ip up rven if the boss isnt hitting them, who even knows what a joke is anymore

[warm plinth]

Yeah that would be a viable option.

[sick sentinel]

i mean i dunno who told you this

but i speak of yogi 2.0's

[south zealot]

if you will have max 1 hand and shield then yeah you can

[sick sentinel]

this guy is yogi 5 million

[cosmic lichen]

Ok, also what stance are you all in during m+ and raids? battle or def?

[warm plinth]

Bullying poor yogi 😂

[plush tendon]

battle stance 95% of the time

[warm plinth]

Battle 99% of the time

[south zealot]

battle stance if youre not in danger, d stance if you need it

[lucid raven]

It would be nice to get a Sheild in vault to craft CR bracers but that seems to be tko much RNG

[marble cipher]

open in def if you want shield
open in fury if you have shield and want dps trinkets but wouldn't mind a onehander weapon
open in arms if you have shield and onehand weapon

[modern brook]

jokes died with being meta

[sick sentinel]

sure as fuck werent me telling you spam IP

[cosmic lichen]

Ok, so my guild that is 4/8H kicked me because I was using battle stance, and would switch to def on tank busters

[modern brook]

chats only for saying ilvl> haste and complaining about pugs or something now

[warm plinth]

Sounds like you dodged a bullet friend

[south zealot]

your rl is probably an idiot and doesnt know how damage works in raid

[plush tendon]

sounds like they dont play prot war

[lucid raven]

You can pug 7/8H very easily you didint miss out on much

[plush tendon]

or do research

[south zealot]

bosses dont fucking do anything besides tank busters so sitting in bstamce 99% if the time makes sense

[cosmic lichen]

well, hes a holy priest, and is like 50+% on overhealing, so i didnt find him to be good

[sick sentinel]

fuck them an stay on your sigma male grindset

fuck em dude

[modern brook]

see?

[marble cipher]

none of us do, we play battle warrior

[sick sentinel]

just some dude you'll never met again

[cosmic lichen]

sigma doesnt mean sigma male... I used to be a six sigma black belt, lol

[lucid raven]

Alpha male here

[cosmic lichen]

I agree, just finding a guild is amazingly tough this xpac, as a tank, everyone has one

[warm plinth]

Dang dude, that shit is a lot of work. I'm a green belt 😭

[plush tendon]

gotta start playing.... dps

[south zealot]

sigma are you on illidan horde us

[plush tendon]

ten times easier to find a guild

and then you gotta steal their tanks job

[cosmic lichen]

stormrage, but i dont mind transferring and faction switching

[south zealot]

doing a full heroic clear tonight 6-8:45 est if you wanna come. dont think we have a 2nd tank as of now

[sick sentinel]

wow name is literal tankian as in serj tankian, system of a down, heavy metal plate armor, so NOT tanking is sort of out of the question for me

go into any LFR, "can you go tank plz?". every time

[cosmic lichen]

Certainly, I'm only experienced 4/8H, only pulled Dathea a few times, I am 8/8N though... Seer#1790 is my bnet

[warm plinth]

Look at this fuckin gamer taking fellow pwar under the wing

[south zealot]

ok let me ask my rl if we need a tank not sure whats going on

[cosmic lichen]

I could come as fury, but have little to no experience as dps though this xpac, just a fyi

[fallen pulsar]

servers up btw

[polar girder]

server is up

[kind rapids]

Gl with the vault

[sage sun]

HELP ME

[spice radish]

any vault pics?

[south zealot]

shield

[spice radish]

shield

100%

[modern brook]

tokens

[deft hazel]

im ready for my disappointment

[warm plinth]

Shield for sure

[sage sun]

already have 418 shield tho

[plush tendon]

shield

[marble cipher]

still

[sick sentinel]

well, i got either i think its 1 or 2 12 rewards , time to see i guess

[marble cipher]

shield

[hardy snow]

depends what shoulders/shield you already have

[plush tendon]

418 can go suck a butt

[modern brook]

i just ran the calc and 418 < 421

[sick sentinel]

yeah

agree

[plush tendon]

you take the shield, swap loot to fury, never look back

[marble cipher]

you sure? I'd run it again!

[spice radish]

@sage sun if you can get diurna mythic shield then its still shield coz you can get shoulders from there as well KEKW

[dusty warren]

guys, about the vault, is better open as arms/fury or prot? because I crafted the one-hand and I'll upgrade to 418 this week. Idk about the trinkets if there are good options for prot. I just did m+ in last week.

[earnest nymph]

is equipping a 382 tier piece worth it for 2set when it's 10 ilvl lower than what's in the slot? all three other vault rewards are literally 3 ilvl upgrades of existing items I have

[hardy snow]

there are some cool trinkets and shields as well

[plush tendon]

Prot if you want a shield and have good trinkets; fury for a chance at a 1h and dps trinkets (and to avoid tank trinkets), and arms cause you have a 1h and shield you wont replace, but still want dps trinkets

[south zealot]

prot if your shield isnt 421

[deft hazel]

[spice radish]

if you dont raid, get icon EZ

[sick sentinel]

if it makes you guys feel any beter im basically forced to take 405 crit haste boots when i have crafted boots

[oak echo]

welp no difficult choice this time. no rare items and had 418 gloves for 4 pc