protection

[pallid quiver]

The class doesn't fully work as intended until like level 60 or so

So don't stress much

The fact you wanted to only cherry pick one aspect of that comment means that you're refusing to actually pay attention

And it's not even shit talk

[potent gale]

Oooh

[pallid quiver]

If you're having trouble with living in low level keys

While in battle stance

[potent gale]

Thanks

[pallid quiver]

You literally should absolutely stay at a training dummy for muscle memory

I still hit a training dummy on a regular basis

It's not at all belittling unless you're trying to take offense to it

[oak echo]

So how do you know that you've spent enough time at the dummies to be allowed back in keys. Do they like hand out a cert that you give to the next pug you join?

[pallid quiver]

When you can keep up shield block and don't die to the tanking dummies

If you're running out of rage, dropping SB, or just getting squashed, there's something wrong in how you're playing base

[lusty grotto]

its not bad advice

[craggy pilot]

do people use coloured nameplates?

[pallid quiver]

And bigger than learning about what mobs to CC/use CDs on/etc is to have a handle on the base class so you can not think about that

[lusty grotto]

could help quite a lot of people by doing that

[oak echo]

Semi serious related question are there aoe dummies that punch back or just the raid one?

[pallid quiver]

So you can then focus on learning to run the key

I don't think there is, no, but aoe damage intake isn't as variable as it can be

I wasn't even responding to that because I didn't even know that was asked

shit wasn't even on my screen

[modern brook]

best way to help from logs is to open it go to rage wasted and then take a screen shot and say smh

[lusty grotto]

i still feel telling new people to sit in D stance is a bad idea

they should learn the class by making mistakes

[turbid plaza]

wait, is that a thing?

[lusty grotto]

its the fastest way to learn

[pallid quiver]

You can check resources in the logs screen, with rage being a resource

It tells you how much was generated, how much was wasted to overcap, etc

[modern brook]

smh

resources -> rage

on you

[pallid quiver]

And if you click on a specific actor (generally yourself), it also has a breakdown by ability

[modern brook]

and then you say

smh

[fallow osprey]

Smh…

[lusty grotto]

smh my head

[modern brook]

exactly like that great work

(not me btw some randy fury warrior)

[cinder storm]

Literally smh

[lusty grotto]

mmhmm

[modern brook]

I dont even play prot

I mean

[lusty grotto]

MMHMMM

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

its ok bull i believe tsuyu

see what i did there

[unique nova]

DH wowhead guide says treemouth's trinket is the best trinket in the game defensively, is that just for DH? I haven't heard anything about that trinket.

[pallid quiver]

Defensive trinkets aren't particular in use by most prot wars, so it's not a conversation that pops up often

IIRC it's okay, but the main point I really remember about it is that people kept talking about how inflated its numbers were or something in sims/details

[neat sable]

can we lower the jade punch in TJS. heal absorb with mit

or is it always fat

[pallid quiver]

Always stonks

Best way to help with it is to IV like every other Strike

[neat sable]

tanked a 20 TJS and that boss is spooky

[pallid quiver]

You definitely want a plan going into that boss

Because the initial hit is already nasty; the heal absorb on top is pain

[past gyro]

IV? sorry im dumb

[pallid quiver]

Impending Victory

[past gyro]

oooh

[pallid quiver]

The heal button you can talent into

If you can convince DPS to do so, it helps at those higher key levels to have them put some spot heals in, too

iirc one of the higher key logs of TJS had an Enhance putting Healing Surges into the tank

[lusty tiger]

A real chad

Running with a warlock makes the boss a bit easier

[strong forum]

Technically speaking, Tree mouth splinter is by far the best tank trinket

For monk for example it's a 350k absorb

On a 1.5min CD

[forest tulip]

Trying to tank pugs, it feels like DPS have the biggest ego despite not being able to do mechanics or barely out dpsing the tank

[pallid quiver]

Everyone has the biggest ego

[strong forum]

For pwar it's also super super good

[craggy pilot]

Nome, Big Toe any good?

[pallid quiver]

It's important to remember that when you're going into pugs; they very often have to deal with shit tanks who think they're the best thing in the world, too, so it's helpful to think of things from their persepctive

not

not that it stops them from being mental as well, but

[oak ivy]

splinter > eranog trink?

strictly defensively

[forest tulip]

I suppose that's fair. Just feel like healers or tanks get the most blame but I'm biased

[oak ivy]

people play DPS to not have responsibility or accountability, nothing is ever their fault

🍵

tank shoulda kicked every cast in the pack

healer shoulda healed me through that oneshot

[pallid quiver]

I simply never blame anyone in text chat.

now in my mind i'm doing that shit constantly. Not for ego, mind, since I blast myself a lot, more than the other party members, but to make sure I'm aware of what's going on in general

[strong forum]

By miles

Like it's not even a contest

[oak ivy]

noted

[craggy pilot]

is multishot a "should stun" ability on the first boss trash nokhud?

[pallid quiver]

But yeah, the longest standing mindset is that "DPS is expendable"

Which they're not, they're technically the most important part of an encounter/dungeon run, and they should be held to the same standards of what's going on in the instance

[inland raft]

I want another aegis trinket from sod tbh

[pallid quiver]

It's not helped by the community perception that "Tanks are OP and can solo everything" the general populace seems to have

so if something goes wrong, it just has to be a tank or healer problem because of what the "state of the game" is atm

[oak ivy]

i play with basically two groups: really good dps/healers, and really meh dps/healers. and it's fucking wack to me that the good ones are always like "ah shit i shoulda kicked that, thats why i died" or this and that, and the meh ones swear to god it's just their item level

but i can roast the good ones cause they just wanna improve and notice what went wrong meanwhile the others just shut down and get sad aw man i dont do enough dps cuz my ilvl

[pallid quiver]

The meh ones lack the knowledge or insight to know why they're failing

[oak ivy]

like, no, my brother in christ, you are doing your rotation wrong

[pallid quiver]

They don't need to, tbh, as long as they're having fun I guess

[oak ivy]

Yeah but then they wanna get KSM and use my key and I'm like.. unless you woke up on some side of the bed I didn't know you had, you're gonna brick my key

[pallid quiver]

Well, that's a conflict of interest they have. They can either choose to get better and learn in order to reach that goal, or they can, like, get carried to the goal or find some other goal? I dunno, I'm not part of that other camp

[forest tulip]

Like right when you're starting a pull and they just dump their entire rotation before youve established full aggro. That doesnt happen often but it's frustrating. Or youre not pulling fast enough(which definitely can be a me issue). Its you can pull as fast as you want if you queue as tank! Plus, it's not even their key

[oak ivy]

One argument I've heard is "well I don't like the way those talents play" so they do just the objectively wrong build for the scenario and do less dmg than me as the tank

[pallid quiver]

if i see a ravager/dnd/consecration/etc i'm blowing my cd load and no one can stop me

That's my mindset when I'm not tanking, at least

[pallid quiver]

I'm running into this with a Mage friend of mine sorta. He at least swapped to a different spec (Frost), but he doesn't want to play with Arcane Harmony at all on Arcane Mage, his favorite spec

Part of it has to be sitting down with people sometimes and just discussing why they're playing the game; people don't do that enough so they make themselves do things they don't actually want to do but, uh, they think they do

It happens a lot in fighting games and other competitive games

[forest tulip]

And that's another thing. Why do people get so stressed when it's not their key? Yeah, better time = better loot but damn.

[pallid quiver]

It's fine if they don't want to play the optimal talents, but if they want the optimal results, well

[slim dove]

doesn't effect loot

[pallid quiver]

Something's got to give

[pallid quiver]

Never underestimate the stress the mere existence of a timer causes on your average human being

[forest tulip]

Oh? It doesn't? I was told it does.

[oak ivy]

How do you gently and politely tell someone to pls god go to their class discord or talk to someone who knows how to play it because they're parsing single digit ilvl

[frosty mango]

You have to explain it to people in a way they understand. For example running sub optimal talents is like driving a car down the highway with 3 wheels.

Technically it works but at best your inconveniencing everyone else and at worst you're going to get them killed.

People also think you're an asshole

[lusty grotto]

you dont

[oak ivy]

😢

[lusty grotto]

you move on

eventually they'll get there, and if not, they'll quit

[pallid quiver]

I phrase it normally as just doing your daily research; always revisit and see if any new developments have popped up

[lusty grotto]

you cant force people to play something they dont want

there are millions of pugs at all times

[pallid quiver]

I still glance at Mwahi's guide, if not to learn from, to at least know what people are learning from

[lusty grotto]

its a game, you can try again, bricking a key is not the end of the world

[pallid quiver]

In this case, Blank's talking about someone he knows it sounds like

[buoyant narwhal]

To see SB uptime %, I have to log the M+ runs, and then where do i see the actual %, under Buffs > Defensive? Buffs?

[oak ivy]

I am

[pallid quiver]

So it's a bit different than seeing a random pug

[oak ivy]

multiple someones I know

[lusty grotto]

well i extend that to my team

[drifting socket]

does anyone have a WA for BSV to track the buff for when it procs

[lusty grotto]

i cant force them to do something they dont, the most you can do is show logs of a similar key to them

"here's how this other X class did it"

notice how they kicked/cc/did this/did that

[pallid quiver]

It's better to check for the % of hits blocked underneath damage taken, since that also tells you how well you're using shield block (if you're taking hits to the back, etc)

[cinder storm]

I've tried to help people with their rotations, I've tried helping random dps gear and play better in higher keys than what they are used to in order to hopefully create a team

It doesn't works

What works is to find similar minded people willing to deplete and learn

[lusty grotto]

just present a better result to them and have them figure it out

make sure its equivalent gear so they dont fall back into the "they're better geared" argument

[cinder storm]

Heck, I even helped people by doing sims for them and stuff and targeting their best dungeons

[oak ivy]

they would, too

[lusty grotto]

if theyre looking for excuses, it's probably a waste of time

[oak ivy]

[lusty grotto]

and honestly you're just better looking for other people

[rose cobalt]

Gray and green parsers in 2023 just do not care about the same reasons you play wow

[modern brook]

Bro upgrading friends is such a goated play

[pallid quiver]

The key point for those people is to try and cut to the source of why they think gear makes the difference

[lusty grotto]

i never upgraded you, you upgraded me

[full venture]

which trinket is better, blazebinder or ruby whelp shell?

[lusty grotto]

[cinder storm]

A good dps will STFU and pump and then say something once key is done, a bad dps will question everything

[pallid quiver]

It's the base mindset at fault, which is a hell of a lot harder of a question than any of us dumblefucks here in this chat can help answer

[modern brook]

[lusty grotto]

not ruby whelp shell

[buoyant narwhal]

okay thanks

[pallid quiver]

Since personal issues can be at play

[pulsar sedge]

hoof hands down

[full venture]

thnx'

[oak ivy]

fair enough yeah

[craggy pilot]

in Academy first packs before Vexamus, is it valuable to stun the Battleaxes?

or just the Scepter?

[lusty grotto]

do you mean for the puddles?

because you can just kick the scepter for the aoe

[craggy pilot]

i mean the bleed

[topaz mauve]

Hey how many different preset talent builds do you guys have for M+. Right now I have a spell block build for AV and RLP and one for all the rest. Anything specific to a dungeon I’m missing?

[craggy pilot]

ye the Scepter i know, but i mean the Battleaxe bleed

[lusty grotto]

sure you can stun them

[craggy pilot]

but i guess its no biggie, and i just Wall if i get 2 stacks

and save CCs for the Scepter

[cinder storm]

AV is the same as temple rlp except with the leap talent CD reduction

[topaz mauve]

Oof I gotta make more lol

[warm plinth]

Depends on the key level you're doing too.

[lusty grotto]

yeah ngl im lazy as well

[warm plinth]

If you're doing 10s, then it literally doesn't matter.

[pallid quiver]

Specifically, you can hover over the Melee section of the damage taken bar of a specific actor (so your character in this case) to see the percentage that were blocked

[topaz mauve]

I’m doing 15s-18s

[lusty grotto]

it infuriates me that moving a mid point makes you have to respend all the bottom shit

[craggy pilot]

is there anything in Nokhud 3rd boss area that requires stunning?

like specific casts that are stunnable?

[pallid quiver]

oh my god that's why i have so many talent builds

[craggy pilot]

just the frontals from birds i guess?

[cinder storm]

Birds

[lusty grotto]

just to sync them yes

[pallid quiver]

is because I cannot be assed to redo the bottom third of a tree

[lusty grotto]

everything else is kind of kickable

[warm plinth]

Jakey told me that it's more accurate to hover over the number in the hits column next to melee fwiw

I'm not 100% sure why

[fallen pulsar]

Man getting io starts to really crawl at a certain point 😅 almost 2200 but its so slow going up now, probably will be able to get another relatively easy 100 on fortified since I have some keys on the lower end

[lusty grotto]

yeah it is

it should be over the hits

[buoyant narwhal]

Perfect thanks, appreciate it

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that's the section I was trying to direct to, Ghash

that means my explanation was bad

;-;

The reason why is because the Hits will tell you how many "casts" of melee you took were blocked,

While the amount section is related to how much damage was blocked

[warm plinth]

Yeah so just to clarify for the guy you're explaining to, @buoyant narwhal, you want to hover over where the arrow is pointing, not the bar.

[cinder storm]

I remember back in BFA when Ellesmere and Asuna were with redwoyer, I asked Asuna how he pumps so much as frost (as a new player myself) he then told me they sim pack by pack on their keys, that was mind lowing at the time

[pallid quiver]

Thank you, Ghash, I didn't have a log available for pics. Love ya

[warm plinth]

❤️

I'm assuming the other bar calculates cancelled melees to or something? Like if you backpedal melees or something like that

[wide charm]

i just dropped the AV shield, should i upgrade it or craft a shield wednesday

[craggy pilot]

on nokhud storm boss trash, is it still the play to nuke down Totem, and then move?

[lusty grotto]

why nuke down totem

[craggy pilot]

or does the totem even do anything?

[lusty grotto]

it gives you balls

which gives you dmg

[craggy pilot]

yea is what i thought ye

i heard "nuke the totem" a bit ago

[lusty grotto]

the amount of pugs ive seen completely ignore those balls is huge

and its free damage

[pallid quiver]

Uh, the amount bar should just all be related to the damage you took as a whole from the ability (which melees are kinda sorta for these purposes), so cancelled melee stuff shouldn't be on there

[craggy pilot]

and the Stormcaller is spawning the orbs right?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the big guy

[wide charm]

they pulse

[craggy pilot]

so i guess focus the Tempest guy right?

[cinder storm]

Yup

Rest should focus storm bolt, can run disrupting shout for those and last boss

[craggy pilot]

is it the totems or the Stormcaller that unlocks the boss?

[lusty grotto]

totems

[pallid quiver]

because i'm stupid and misclicked an outburst SS while in Avatar on to it and it go pop ;-;

[craggy pilot]

hmm just wondering the coloring of my nameplates from Quazii

[pallid quiver]

i just wanted to storm bolt a caster, man

[lusty grotto]

lol

[craggy pilot]

im 100% sure it made totem Green, and Stormcaller Blue

[lusty grotto]

i just move the stuff away from the totem

and collect balls

[craggy pilot]

no clue what Green & Blue is supposed to mean tbh

[cinder storm]

It should have a color guide on his wa link

[cursive hedge]

What is top priority to craft? i have engi bracers and goggles, but have another spark to spend

[craggy pilot]

he has no WA link

[pallid quiver]

Blue probably notable mob to interrupt would be kneejerk, but a guide from the UI creator probably best bet

[buoyant narwhal]

oh yeah thanks guys, so we just do our own calculation by dividing the Hits by the Casts, multiply by 100 for the actual %? 83% in that picture for example?

[craggy pilot]

Pink is casters is all i know

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to multiply anything

[cinder storm]

The one I use has a color guide, pink stun prio, blue kick prio, green last prio

[craggy pilot]

Blue is usually stuff that needs to be stunned (horncaller fx)

[pallid quiver]

If you hover over that hits with your mouse, it'll show a breakdown

[buoyant narwhal]

oh just hover over the hits?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that

[buoyant narwhal]

ohh yeah thanks a lot guys, appreciate the replies

[warm plinth]

The totem does pulses of damage that are unavoidable; that's why people start focusing it on higher keys.

[autumn urchin]

yes

[craggy pilot]

kekw, we just figured it wasnt 😄

[pallid quiver]

So apparently the answer to nuke down the totem is "i unno, maybe"

if the unavoidable damage is killing you, ye

[lusty grotto]

its also tyrannical week, pulses should be higher on fort, which means you can ignore it at least until tomorrow

[cinder storm]

I just move the adds so they cleave on them

[craggy pilot]

does the totem overload do AOE dmg to everyone?

[autumn urchin]

aside from kicking bolts totem should die first

theres always 1 stormcaller "named" mob per pack thats unccable

every other mob can be stopped

[craggy pilot]

the Tempest can be kicked though

which is the most important kick there i guess

[autumn urchin]

in 20+ everything should be kicked

dps start to get globaled

but yeah tempest has prio

can fear or stun

displace

etc

[fallen lichen]

How have your AV runs been going? Pugged all 16/17s quite easily this week but failed like 7 runs on AV. Always one of the bosses that wrecks the group.

[warm plinth]

It does two mechanics which are totemic overload, which deals damage to everyone. And then it does Stormsurge to players who are near it when it's killed. The totemic overload hits harder; I'm not sure how often it pulses because I've never been in a group where the totem lives longer than a few seconds, but it's about 150k unmitigated on a 24 tyrannical

[pallid quiver]

My runs are 100% pugs, so they're anywhere from "lmao gottem" to "I wish I never had been born to have witnessed the shit I have just seen", so I'm not a valid metric for that question

[craggy pilot]

yea ok so i think still Totem prio is an idea

[fallen lichen]

2nd boss?

[lusty grotto]

overload should be once or twice, depending how long the stormcaller is up

surge of power is the pulse

[warm plinth]

No, surge of power is the damage from picking up the orbs

[fallen lichen]

Yea I set skull world marker and tell to go clockwise from there. Still ppl dying

[lusty grotto]

oh right

yes yes

[warm plinth]

But yeah I think it's basically just...there's no reason not to focus the totem first. Reduces damage done to the party and it dies in like 2 seconds anyway

[lusty grotto]

stormsurge is the pulse i guess

[pallid quiver]

but the mythical 100% parse

[lusty grotto]

let me check my last log

im pretty sure its more than healable

[supple relic]

quick question, just did a 20 on my war, any tips for 3rd boss jade temple jade phase? had absolutely no chance, and we had to lust and pop everything to survive that phase. my gear is really bad but are there some hidden tips that might help? external was GS from priest which saved me once

[warm plinth]

I don't know that it actually pulses

It looks like totemic overload is something that the named mob makes it do

[lusty grotto]

yea

it is

[warm plinth]

And stormsurge is the damage it deals when it's killed

Which you have to be close to it to take that damage

[lusty grotto]

so the ground stuff

[warm plinth]

Right

[lusty grotto]

im pretty sure the "pulses" are... nothing to worry about

we've never had problems with leaving it up

[warm plinth]

It's like an aoe hit as the ground shit spawns, and then it leaves behind the crackling lightning shit

[lusty grotto]

its when the stormcaller does overload which summons the balls

[warm plinth]

But it seems to have a really small range, because in the logs I'm looking at, maybe one person gets hit by it

[strong forum]

I've always focused the totem as the totemic overload can 1shot your group

[warm plinth]

(Stormsurge)

[fallen lichen]

Double shield wall, immediately IV after healing debuff

[lusty grotto]

yes ghash that's right

its an electric little area

ground effect

[warm plinth]

Yeah like

It's not a ton of damage but it's not insignificant either

And that's on a 24 key

[lusty grotto]

right

[warm plinth]

and then I assume it scales with the fort bonus so add 30% to that

[lusty grotto]

yeah

this is... on a 16?

its not a big deal in sub 20s

[warm plinth]

My healer said that we usually focus it because there's just a bunch of other shit going on in the pulls so it's easier to just not have to worry about the aoe

[craggy pilot]

so i guess focus totem, and somehow have Focus on Stormspeaker to kick his Tempest

is the important stuff

and CC the Arcblade Frontals

[warm plinth]

But yeah in low keys it's probably not super dangerous to leave it up

But like I said earlier, it also dies super fast anyway

[warm plinth]

You can backstep the arcblades

And not have to deal with the frontal

[craggy pilot]

oh its not very long?

[warm plinth]

Nah you literally just backpedal and you're fine

[craggy pilot]

kekw 😄

but then the grp will get split up

but ye i guess ill try that

[warm plinth]

Well you just make a small circle

[craggy pilot]

always just used my CC on them

[craggy pilot]

then the frontals end on the melee 🤔

[autumn urchin]

not a frontal

targeted on you

[craggy pilot]

pretty sure it is a frontal no?

[warm plinth]

Nah

It's like a chain lightning type thing

[autumn urchin]

i think it chains

yea

so ur melee will take a bit of dmg if u get hit

[warm plinth]

If it hits you, it also hits someone within 6 yards for 25% of the damage

[craggy pilot]

oh wow, was 100% sure it was a frontal

jeez

[warm plinth]

yeah this is the tooltip for it

[craggy pilot]

so if you outrange it it doesnt do anything?

[warm plinth]

Correct

[somber shell]

You can dodge that by stepping back

[hard vessel]

So the tank hit of bird boss in AA is Blockable and all this stuff? Just saw a video of tattman taking 0 dmg from the hit in 22 and wondering if I somehow missed anything

[warm plinth]

No, it's not

It was hotfixed recently; it is not avoidable at all.

[hard vessel]

So when was the hot fix?

[warm plinth]

yesterday? day before?

[hard vessel]

Video is from this week

[strong forum]

It's no longer blockable, parryable or dodgeable

[hard vessel]

OK so when he only took 10% of his life as hit withiut anything but shield. Block, it was pretty sure before hotfix yes?

[strong forum]

Yes

[pallid quiver]

oh yeah definitely

[strong forum]

On a 23 tyr this week, it will do about 400k each time

[pallid quiver]

that peck hits like a damn freight train now

[strong forum]

If you have a full stacked IP it will hit for 250k

So it absolutely destroys now

You're 100% at the mercy of your healer

[hard vessel]

Ye like. I said I was trying +16 on my 365 warrior alt and holy I was not able to live this shit

[lusty grotto]

well that boss is already a bitch especially with storming

[forest tulip]

I almost wish there was a penalty for leaving M+. It's frustrating

[lusty grotto]

have to dodge 3 different things just to clear thundering

[hard vessel]

Ah boss is fine, just not the tank hit

330k

No enchants nothing

[lusty grotto]

the tank hit is a problem DUE to all the dancing though

it would be manageable without dancing around

[hard vessel]

Yeah this is what I thought when getting hit

Simply wasn't able to do it

Probably still. Skill. Issue

But if my healer HAHA

[lusty grotto]

cant charge for rage cause fire puddles, storming, winds, frontal

healer has to deal with all of those + moving to clear if hes close to debuff fading

its not the tank hit

its the amount of shit you have to deal with

[hard vessel]

This shit hittet for. 80% of HP

No I don't log

Sorry

Hittet more of HP as at my dk in a 20 lol

[lusty grotto]

hit*

the past tense of hit is hit

[reef holly]

How does everyone feel about next week affixes compared to this one?

[hard vessel]

This is true, but don't tell anybody dks don't care about this boss at all its barely noticeable that there is a tank mechanic 😂

[pallid quiver]

I hold W and mash buttons

I won't know what next week's affixes are until someone tells me or tomorrow comes

[reef holly]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-season-1-mythic-affix-rotation-10-week-rotation-330075

[lusty grotto]

spite griev

spiteful is always a timer sink

same as bolster

it'll be okay to push though

[mortal brook]

in nokhud sure

[pallid quiver]

oh it's gonna be annoying

[lusty grotto]

as long as you can cc/nuke those down on big pulls

[pallid quiver]

... if i simply hold more W, we'll all outrun the spitefuls

That happened to my mage friend once before

he felt it a slight bit, wearing a dress and all

[lusty grotto]

which packs

cause i know for example

[turbid shuttle]

if your rogue tricks you but you're not in combat with the mob yet you're not on the table so it'll still hit other players

[lusty grotto]

bears in HoV turn around and slap melee

[turbid shuttle]

p sure anyway

[lusty grotto]

if youre not in melee range that is

well papa might be on to something

[turbid shuttle]

yeah my rogue used to complain about this all the time

he'd tricks me and start slapping before I charged and got slapped back

[marble cipher]

is it still possible to swap Hyrja's buffs around?
I know it used to be possible, but I just went in there on M0 to test some stuff out, and I can't get her to swap.
Taunt her, circle cast, leap to other side, then she still opens with storm shield

[frosty mango]

Do you mean get her to start on light side instead of storm?

[lusty grotto]

its extremely hard to do

when shes in mid shes empowered by both

so it might be impossible to do so

you have to reverse hyrja, jump just before the empowered cast

and still make sure you have enough time for her to waddle over

i honestly havent tried tbh

dont think its worth it

[graceful kite]

Nah thats not true

My dps would die a lot and they never did on those packs

[lusty grotto]

they do fervent on melee

[graceful kite]

And i pull all the bears

[lusty grotto]

if youre not in range

[graceful kite]

Dunno never seen that

Shouldnt it just oneshot your dps?

[wanton shale]

M+ trinket, Big Toe or Hungering Pack? Can't get a Whetstone to drop so may settle on these for a while

[graceful kite]

I dont remember my group taking any damage on bears when kiting

[unreal lily]

How come some people do the raging tempest boss first in Nokhud ?

[graceful kite]

Thry actually charged me and appliee their debuff

[pulsar sedge]

They do raging first cuz it's the harder boss and can brick your key

[graceful kite]

Shield slamthunder clap run out of melee to get bonus reflect dps

[lusty grotto]

because they are convinced its better for lust timers too

when its not true

[graceful kite]

U can use cds if u dont have a purge in ur party

On surge

[lusty grotto]

you can just lust big pack double or triple @ first boss area

with lust

[rancid ember]

Lol

[tender cove]

I keep having this retarded problem and nobody seems to have heard about it or know a solution to it 😦
Randomly in dungeons my characters starts to spin really fast 360, round and round. I can prevent it by force holding camera movement but it means I can only walk left in a circle pattern and the only thing that makes it go away is a /reload.
I seem to only get it once per activity session of wow, totally random, can't pinpoint anything to it except it always happens in dungeons, more specifically m+.
And its causing me to die from it and its been going on since DF launch and im going insane about it. Plz help 😦

[lusty grotto]

do you have a mouse or keyboard macro

that did that in the past

[graceful kite]

Maybe u have some mouse or keyboard macro

It doesnt seem like a wowproblem

[tender cove]

only regular macros i make in wow, nothing on either keyboard or mouse.

[lusty grotto]

recheck

cause i had something like that happen a while ago on another mmo, and it was because i had a stupid fucking macro

[pulsar sedge]

I used to have a Macro to simulate that when you could make people sick on the sandstone drake lol...

[tender cove]

Mouse has empty macro list and dont even have the app for corsair keyboard

[hard shell]

Hi guys

[lusty grotto]

some keyboard/mouse driver/utilities are profile activated by games

[hard shell]

Someone got the tactyks weakaura for warrior protection?

[lusty grotto]

so it depends on the game you have up, and swap to desktop when you alt tab or use your 2nd monitor to access them

[tender cove]

but why does it only seem to come once per login of wow, often the first dungeon i do and then it doesnt happen again. But its totally random, there's nothing consistent about it.

[lusty grotto]

its not random if it happens once per login

youve identified when it happens

consistently

by definition, that's not random

[tender cove]

guess i can start record again and watch that cuz i really have no idea how to figure it out

[pulsar sedge]

Are you using out of date addons?

[mortal brook]

@scarlet saffron you are summoned

[pulsar sedge]

Maybe one is going haywire

[tender cove]

no, always update and even weakaura companion

[hard shell]

😄

[scarlet saffron]

AHH

[limpid anchor]

Controller plugged in?

[hard shell]

Hi sir

[foggy drift]

Anyone else have the issue where your dungeon journal pops up everytime you start the key

[tender cove]

nope, i have the exact same setup going from SL to DF. it just started happening

[scarlet saffron]

https://wago.io/DZfolnbUX

[limpid anchor]

Maybe just reinstall the pc then

Fastest fix usually

[lusty grotto]

have you tried other games

to see if it happens?

[tender cove]

i only really play wow or console games.

[hard shell]

Thanks alot

[scarlet saffron]

np

[pulsar sedge]

Might try a fresh wow install and update drivers

[lusty grotto]

have you ever bluetoothed your controllers to your pc?

[pulsar sedge]

If you have narrowed it down to not macros or addons

[tender cove]

normally i would say bit excessive but at this point its driving me insane.

[lusty grotto]

and/or can you check they arent pairing automatically for whatever reason?

[reef holly]

Thank you for all your content kind sir

[tender cove]

nope, didnt even know i could do that haha

thats a game changer now when i think about it, what

[lusty grotto]

well you cant if your pc doesnt have a bluetooth mobo

[tender cove]

it does and wifi

[lusty grotto]

if its a desktop

[scarlet saffron]

happy to help ❤️

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[tender cove]

I found a pretty old article, on a similar issue but not exactly the same, mentioning mouse should only be 125hz polling rate and mine was set to 500hz.
Think that could be it? I'm trying obvs but just curious.

i dont even know what polling rate is xD

[lusty grotto]

uhh

i use 1000hz

[warm plinth]

yeah uh

[lusty grotto]

and no issues

[warm plinth]

That sounds like it's a REALLY old post

[warm plinth]

1000hz is the norm these days

[lusty grotto]

thats me on my g502

[marble cipher]

doesn't it make the fight a lot easier on Tyr weeks?

[tender cove]

mine can be set to 1000 too, it was just on 500

[tender cove]

im grasping after straws bro. i've been both asking and googling before but no idea 😦

[orchid mural]

Question: can you use AOE taunt while the adds on tree boss are in the ground - or do they only have aggro table when they pop?

[lusty grotto]

its often the simplest thing

[strong forum]

When they pop

[lusty grotto]

recheck kb/mouse macros, in-game macros, disable all addons

and see if it hapens

[pulsar sedge]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/14597

[lusty grotto]

then enable addons one by one

[warm plinth]

Did youa lready try the rest of these?

[pulsar sedge]

@tender cove

[orchid mural]

Thanks. I've attempted the Aoe Taunt trick on the first boss of RLP - I never see a quick cast bar prior to the shield applying - is there a cast bar? do you just have to "feel" when to do it?

[tender cove]

yeh, thats the one with polling rate

[tender cove]

nope, thats the one i found now. but mine is spinning when not doing anything with the mouse, it just spins

[forest tulip]

its not just me, right? the older m+ dungeons are way easier than the DF ones?

[modern brook]

Dpi is measured in hz?

[lusty grotto]

its not

dpi is the first one

polling rate is the 2nd

[modern brook]

Oh

I don't read

[lusty grotto]

at least on what i posted

[warm plinth]

Polling rate is how often the mouse updates your PC of its position

[modern brook]

I just saw apmeone talking about mice polling and the the photo of dpi

[strong forum]

"burst forth" is when they pop

RLP first boss is fixed

Only worked with hunter anyway

[pulsar sedge]

@tender cove are you using a razer mouse/keyboard?

[tender cove]

no. Corsair keyboard and offbrand mouse you never heard about xD

[sick sentinel]

When you go to the last boss in HoV, is it possible to actived the 2 kings on the left side at the same time with the beer 🙂 ?

[tender cove]

1 and 2 were already unchecked. I have entered the 3rd now to try. but i cant force it to happen so it could be hours until next time

[lusty grotto]

not at the same time no

but you can still wake one up, halfway through the others HP

[sick sentinel]

so that beer trinck is bull

[warm plinth]

No it's not bull

[sick sentinel]

aah kk

so fight one, half way throw the beer to the other ?

[modern brook]

What'd I do?

[warm plinth]

No, you talk to the king you normally would, and throw the beer at another. Then you pull the one you talked to over to the one you threw the beer at. Once the beer expires, you can talk to the one you threw the beer at and he'll activate.

[pulsar sedge]

Check to see if you have a process called corsairingameengine in your task manager @tender cove

[warm plinth]

You have to throw the beer prior to the other king activating/approximately the same time. You can't throw beers in combat.

[sick sentinel]

aaaah ! ty friend ! 😉

[warm plinth]

Realistically on low keys it's not much of a time save

Because by the time the beer expires, you'll have nearly killed the first one

[sick sentinel]

no, but i wanted to know how its done

[tender cove]

nope, but i found a workaround in an old thread from 2020. supposedly if you keybind keyboard turning to some key and press that when it happens, it stops. Not the greatest but at least I can stop myself from dying

[pulsar sedge]

Do you use Xbox overlay?

[tender cove]

no, i only have like discord, spotify, wow, chrome, vlc and qtorrent, thats pretty much my entire use case for my computer 😄

[craggy pilot]

damn Big Toe feels lackluster

[pulsar sedge]

Rough.. I'm out of Google posts and reddit 😉

[craggy pilot]

my 405 Big Toe feels like its doing less dmg than my 389 Blazebinder hoof 🤔

[tender cove]

thanks for trying bro, i'm deep in the rabbit hole of weird threads that are vaguely similar that are old as hell xD

[warm plinth]

tbf Xbox Game Bar is kinda invasive. It might be on without you even knowing

It's on by default in Windows now

[compact jackal]

well duh

your big toe is smaller than a hoof

🥁

[weary saddle]

we get 1 more spark after today reset?

[pulsar sedge]

Yes, spark is this week

[compact jackal]

2nd to last guaranteed spark, yup

[craggy pilot]

kekw

[weary saddle]

question: with loot spec set to prot, am i eligible to drop (Hunger of the Pack) from HOV?

[craggy pilot]

jeez man, Whetstone 4.4% of dps, and the guy was at 70k DPS overall 🤣

sophic devition 3.8%

[pulsar sedge]

Try going into dung journal and swapping from prot to fury

[mortal brook]

adventure guide says yes you sure are friendo

[pulsar sedge]

It will tell you which spec can drop what

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's a stat stick; anyone can get it

RIP, Steve beat me

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/initial-d-drift-gas-gas-gas-drifting-car-gif-16653721

[warm plinth]

:weebsout

[weary saddle]

thank you kindly

i've been reading up on spiteful. it seems this week needs alot of kiting and cc.

[torn gulch]

with melee being strong this season
spiteful will be fun

[warm plinth]

Nah you just sit there while your group loses their shit 😉

[deft mortar]

what is kiting

i cant relate

[craggy pilot]

jeez the double bleed trucks on Academy +18

even on Tyr

[deft mortar]

reroll dwarf

[lucid pendant]

That boss is no joke

[craggy pilot]

it was the trash

before Vex

[cursive hedge]

What is top crafting priority for my sparks? Lariat?

[cinder storm]

those are the adds

[craggy pilot]

battleaxes

[lucid pendant]

Oh, my bad

[cinder storm]

What ilvl is your shield?

[cursive hedge]

398

[cinder storm]

Shield > Weapon > Lariat

[cursive hedge]

but couldnt i just get the weapon and shield from algethar and azure vaults and upgrade them with valor?

[cinder storm]

You can craft lariat and then decide tomorrow which of the other two you can craft depending on your vault

You can, but far from optimal

[craggy pilot]

Shield > weapon > belt/wrist/lariat/chest/helm

[rugged mural]

There’s no way to reclaim our spark if we made a dumb craft choice is there?

[craggy pilot]

no

[deft mortar]

just waiting i guess:(

p a i n

[rugged mural]

I crafted the Sustaining Alch trinket for QoL and regret it

[craggy pilot]

what could you have made thats so terribly wrong?

most of them are the same

[deft mortar]

399 helm

405 shield

now i have concentrated esnsences sitting in bag

[cursive hedge]

oh, are the crafted weapon and shield better than the ones in the dungeons?

[lusty grotto]

yo @mortal brook you around?

[mortal brook]

[lusty grotto]

so i have a friend that says

that prot pally cant compete with warrior damage "just because"

how true would you say that is

[cinder storm]

you can target what stats you want on them, and add embellishment if you want, rather than farming specific dungeons@cursive hedge

[mortal brook]

as true as a trip to warcraftlogs would indicate

[deft mortar]

LOL

[inland mesa]

I dunno if I want to make a shield for 3 ilvls, or a 230 dps upgrade on the ring 😦

[deft mortar]

prot palas should first learn to use their shields

idk block, start with the basics

[cursive hedge]

thats a great point

[lusty grotto]

give me a quote my good sir

😎

or actually

ill just quote you on that

[mortal brook]

'who cares just press your buttons good'

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[strong forum]

^

[lusty grotto]

this will do

thank you Steve

[deft mortar]

what's yalls ilvl at

[strong forum]

If he's not farming 99s left and right he's not trying hard enough to even be allowed to complain

[warm plinth]

Lariat will go down in history as one of the most overhyped items in WoW

[strong forum]

I'm still quite low ilvl cuz I barely play

[nimble rock]

wait Lariat is bad now?

[strong forum]

I'm like 403 equipped I think

[warm plinth]

No

[sick sentinel]

Wdym overhyped

[strong forum]

Lariat is bait

[warm plinth]

It's just not this wonderfully amazing item that everyone thinks it is

[strong forum]

It's not better than any other embellishment

[nimble rock]

ah

[mortal brook]

looks fine. why prot fightin with prot when brm on top

[warm plinth]

Like people who make lariat over weapon and shield make me want to cry

[deft mortar]

im 399 legs and chest at 385

[warm plinth]

or smack them, one of the two

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah def

[deft mortar]

legs were 372 had to get wq pvp item

[warm plinth]

Like you can not make lariat and be totally fine.

[deft mortar]

can't get a chest or leg drop

[nimble rock]

what embellishments should I get then?

[inland mesa]

More pink than warrior, must fix

[warm plinth]

Every other embellishment gives you about the same damage increase

[lusty grotto]

indeed indeed

[deft mortar]

considering pvp to fill in pieces

[warm plinth]

The only embellishment you need to consider in decision making is the belt and that's if you have the raid ring/s

[deft mortar]

or well next week crafting week

[warm plinth]

And you should avoid the leggings

[nimble rock]

oki ty

[warm plinth]

Other than that, make whatever is going to help you the most

[deft mortar]

act i cant craft chest or leg cuz I need engi..

pain

[forest tulip]

+8 to +10 mythics are the worse. way too many people care about timing than completing

majority of the keys just get bricked

[lusty grotto]

yo give me a link to that

[mortal brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/32#metric=dps&class=Tanks&bracket=20

cherrypicked whatever. just 20 keys by tank dam

[lusty grotto]

ty TheSteve

[deft mortar]

low keys are legit harder than high keys

[lusty grotto]

ily

and ghash should say he loves you too when he does his rounds

[mortal brook]

then heckin raid like

theres no tankadins, so the pool is shit

[lusty grotto]

lol

yea

[warm plinth]

Steve already knows I love him; I don't have to say it

[mortal brook]

but yeah pwars ahead at all target counts

❤️

[deft mortar]

tbf is there any affix / dungeon composition where we can replace a healer with a protadin?

[lusty grotto]

❤️ all around

[urban portal]

anything is doable in a 15

but as you go higher no

in SL people have done 15s as 5 dps

[weary saddle]

basic qu: what is downsize of a R1 diamond? on my server i cannot find a reliable R3 craftsman

[forest tulip]

Also, does anyone know when the Spell Reflect spreadsheet will be updated? It appears to still be all SL

[warm plinth]

Less stats

[deft mortar]

well let me rephrase any situation where we can replace either a dps or the healer with a tank and get better performance

[warm plinth]

There's an updated one in the pins

[deft mortar]

one or all

[urban portal]

no

because the bottleneck of a dungeon is almost always dps

there are times where you replace the healer with another dps

but never another tank

[sonic moon]

Is spell block used as a standard on any raid bosses?

[forest tulip]

Ah, thank you!

[craggy pilot]

does Energy Bomb ever go on tank in Echo of Doragosa?

or was it only cus dps died 🤔

[visual musk]

yes it goes on tanks. yes you can reflect it. just have to be out of the circle on the boss when it detonates and you avoid a stack

[craggy pilot]

ye i did reflect it once

and it went on the boss i was like "wtf" 😄

but the boss didnt get the +5% dmg buff, so thats good

[reef holly]

Wait til 11-13

[inland mesa]

Did they ever fix BrV that we play that instead of FbV?

[warm plinth]

No but we still play it instead of FbV

[inland mesa]

Really? I guess now doing 20s and mythic kurog on my IP is actually dropping

Early it felt like it was the same IP forever

[tender cove]

What does ! infront on ability in macros do? I noticed i have one but no idea what it does. Like /cast !Ravager

[warm plinth]

It prevents toggleable abilities from toggling

/cast !Ravager is a completely pointless macro

[urban portal]

like netherwalk

i double tap that all the time

[warm plinth]

Yeah so like, Battle Stance for example. By default, pressing it once enables it, pressing again disables it

[tender cove]

I see. No idea why i have that, must be super old.

[warm plinth]

So you can make a macro /cast !Battle Stance and pressing it again won't disable it

[tender cove]

Has anyone done a guide for cd rotations on a per boss basis? Something that you can just have a look at before you go sorta deal?

we failed the 18 rlp and then a 17, not so much because of me not being able to survive but it just felt rough and not ehm, not controlled. I want control.

[warm plinth]

are you just pugging or?

[visual musk]

dont do rlp then

[old flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

Anyone around to give some vault advice?

[tender cove]

me and my resto drood buddy yeh. Was big argument in guild today because we wanted to push alone, because not everyone is putting in effort to gear and learn but then we got in the 18, an spriest who did 1 million more to whelps than shield and he couldnt heal it. And the 17, i died at korthia but we sorta knew that would be a struggle.

Also didnt help the dps couldnt bait for shit

[warm plinth]

this is for RLP 2nd boss

TJS 3rd boss

[tender cove]

this is perfect bro, you wouldnt happen to have this for bird boss and tlp?

ohh sweet 😄

[warm plinth]

He hasn't written one for bird yet because it wasn't as painful prior to the recent hotfix

But you can probably just follow the rotation for RLP, though it might be more accelerated because I think it happens more often than searing blows does

Searing is like every 30 sec iirc

[tender cove]

Do you think its worth holding my cd's for like 3rd/4th peck? And just let healer spam it? Since its very little todo anyhow and the longer it goes, the more I feel i need it but I dont have it.

[old flame]

anyone know if the update to the Whispering Icon make it any more desireable?

[warm plinth]

idk that's up to your healer probably

I don't even remember what the change is

Icon was already bis as long as other people in your group have it though

[tender cove]

is this aegis or not btw?

[warm plinth]

I do not believe it's with aegis

You get SW on like 1 min CD and it's every 30 seconds, so it should be up for every other

[lusty grotto]

i would honestly pick either chest (and save it for catalyst) or go socket

shoulders too if you save them for catalyst

either is fine

[old flame]

should I grab it from the vault? I have a 402 decoration and a 408 all totem

[tulip kelp]

At what haste point would you stop trusting sim and keeping shit with haste? I'm at 19% and sim is saying to rep a ring with haste on it for equal ilvl crit/vers

[cerulean spindle]

Is there a list of boss abilities negated by spell block?

[lusty grotto]

do you have other people with icon?

[proud dock]

do we pop CDs after searing wonds stacks go out or do we just pop CDs as soon at it start? like do we see how many stacks it applies before CDs?

[old flame]

let me check the raid group real quick

[lusty grotto]

if not pick shoulder and/or chest and save them for the 28th and up them to tier then

if not, then go socket

like i mentioned

[warm plinth]

Probably not. Idk. You can sim it and just set how many infusions there are in the sim

[warm plinth]

Reflect/block sheet in pins

[warm plinth]

I would literally never not trust sims unless there was something broken in them.

[tulip kelp]

So you'd be fine with like 10% haste?

[old flame]

Just 1 other person with icon at the moment

[zinc prism]

hey guys what embellishment is good thats not alchemical

[lusty grotto]

all of them are like 1-2% dmg, so pick whatever

[warm plinth]

sure

[zinc prism]

ok ty

[silk sandal]

Out of curiosity, how much mitigation do we lose by wearing a whetstone? I went into a rlp20 and was afraid of the first two bosses so I swapped the whetstone out for a whispering incarnate icon (no one else in group with it). It seemed like I was taking considerably less damage from all of the magic damage in the first fight. Minimally, this was swapping 537 mastery for 419 strength and 503 vers so its certainly not nothing.

[lusty grotto]

we generally dont go tanking trinkets

pretty sure people stick to dps trinkets for RLP

[silk sandal]

well incarnate icon isnt a tankign trinket

[warm plinth]

Your trinket is not the determining factor between feeling comfortable or not

[lusty grotto]

right but you asked about mitigation

[warm plinth]

Like how much vers is on your icon

[silk sandal]

only specifically because the whetstone doesnt have mains tat

[warm plinth]

A 405 icon would be 510 vers. That's literally 1.24% DR

Completely insignificant

[fallen pulsar]

can we pin those screenshots of the defensive rotations for RLP and TJS, it gets asked a lot

[weary saddle]

@fallen pulsar u mean like this one?

yes i found that super helpful

[fallen pulsar]

something like that or the erga one

either way, it gets asked a lot, so probably a good candidate for a pin or addition to the faq channel

in general a post on "how to rotate through defensives, a mini guide for big shield people"

[fresh merlin]

is that ok for a 15 academy?

[lean zephyr]

is that one pull

[fresh merlin]

no its my overall

[fallen pulsar]

thats whole dungeon

[lean zephyr]

oh just saw the dmg amts, seems pretty low for dps

[fallen pulsar]

seems like most people float 40-50k average

[lean zephyr]

but for tank looks fine

[fallen pulsar]

ye

[fresh merlin]

yea i knew the dps was low but i meant my own personal

[fallen pulsar]

looks fine to me

idk the AA 16 I did today I did 53.6k

if you want another player for reference

[fresh merlin]

im 400 ilvl for reference

4set

[lean zephyr]

in my 20 aa i did 43k cause i forgot to be in bstance for my large packs t_t

[fallen pulsar]

I was 398, 3/4

I am now a proud 399 after finally get a chest piece after a whole week of keys

[craggy pilot]

how the hell does the malevolence work on last boss SMBG

feels like we get it in our face every time we get wall

[fallen pulsar]

is that the aoe circle

[craggy pilot]

the cone

[fallen pulsar]

oh the cone

I think it chooses random target

could be wrong though

[craggy pilot]

yea but the timing is dogshit

[fallen pulsar]

it is

I think its by design lmao

[craggy pilot]

cant stand anywhere while wall is up

[fallen pulsar]

always lines up

[craggy pilot]

if you just dip 1 split second into wall to get out of malevolence, you die

if you take the malevolence, you do 50% less dmg

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, if you're in melee with him, you can just run past him

and get behind him

[craggy pilot]

but hes on top of the wall?

how would you run behind him when there is wall

you insta die

[fallen pulsar]

thought you meant you had killed the skelly

[craggy pilot]

nah

[fallen pulsar]

then you just gotta let it go for a second on the skelly to not get bopped

[craggy pilot]

it always happens before the wall is dead

[fallen pulsar]

if its aimiing right at the wall

[tropic linden]

Do i SR on CD on first boss of shadowmoon?

[fallen pulsar]

are you unable to kill the skellies in time because of the blast?

[craggy pilot]

i have had the frontal like this multiple times

but guess its just my DPS killing wall too slowly

[fallen pulsar]

yeah the skeletons are a DPS check, ideally melee can have full uptime on the wall, but sometimes you gotta let go for a second, as a warrior though you can leap out last second then charge back though to reduce downtime

Idk if rogues can, but they might be able to like cloak of shadows the AoE

[craggy pilot]

charge back means you insta die to the wall

if you charge you get the dot

and die

[fallen pulsar]

? charge has never given me the dor

DoT*

[craggy pilot]

i did it once this fight

insta dot

and im dead

[lean zephyr]

charge has never gotten me the dot but for some reason shield charge did

[craggy pilot]

i guess it depends on distance

since i guess the pathing is to the target of when you clicked the spell 🤔

[forest tulip]

do you all spec into spell block over TAN in dungeons with mostly magic damage?

[placid oar]

I usually face the boss towards where the skellies are walking and told the pug healer and range dps to be with me (This baits the boss frontal away from the melees). Additionally, I ask the melee dps to stand at a 45 degrees angle to the marked skellie. This way they have room and the add can still be killed in time. It’s about baiting the frontal.

Also, be aware of charging into the skellie since u can get clipped. It helps as a tank to also bring the boss and position him near the skellie but facing side ways (again this is about baiting the frontal)

Hope this helps cos this worked in my pug when I told them.

[craggy pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

might be possible with pre grp

[forest tulip]

also, how often do you find yourselves using revenge?

[craggy pilot]

but with pug i doubt lol

[placid oar]

I pugged and told them what to do. Takes time but they eventually got it

Cos it’s really about everyone baiting the boss frontal

[craggy pilot]

in a +19?

[placid oar]

Ya

[craggy pilot]

hmm

[placid oar]

Killed it in the 2nd try when I told them

[craggy pilot]

might just be a dung to have 2 ranged though

for better bait

[lean zephyr]

even at 21 i don’t think I ever had to say anything about that

[craggy pilot]

and have the ranged off to the side of the wall

[placid oar]

Did not time but at least they understood after dying

[steady oar]

With 2pc every 4 seconds to keep the buff rolling. Unless in single target execute range and then not at all.

[placid oar]

I did it with a full melee comp but it’s definitely easier with a range dps to help with the add up time

[forest tulip]

ah, i dont have 2pc yet. i find myself hitting revenge if everything else is on CD but then i find myself being slightly rage starved

[craggy pilot]

they rly need to fix the visual of the Wall of Death though

but i just love having 3 dps doing 45k dps on a boss in a +18

[toxic pewter]

how does mythic raid lockout work? If I killed mythic Eranog can I join a new group for mythic primal council

no right

[fallen pulsar]

yes

you can

[steady oar]

Are you talented into “barbaric training” where revenge does more damage but costs more rage? If so, drop that to help with rage management

[fallen pulsar]

you just cannot get loot from eranog

oh wait

mythic

lmao nevermind

I dunno

it could be different

[forest tulip]

i am not, actually.

[glacial skiff]

Is there a list of dungeons we want to run spell block on?

[fallen pulsar]

are you overspending on IP?

TJS mainly, optionally in others

[steady oar]

You’ll probably just need to focus on rage management then

[forest tulip]

most likely

[toxic pewter]

I run in TJS, RLP, AV, HoV

[forest tulip]

i have a bad habit of hitting buttons to just hit buttons

[fallen pulsar]

that do be a bad habit

[toxic pewter]

Honestly I like spellblock a lot so sometimes I just keep it on for every dungeon

[steady oar]

You should be able to roll that talent and be fine. It’s important to have for the 2pc

[toxic pewter]

i find some use out of it everywhere

[steady oar]

I would have a look at how you are using your offensive cd’s that help generate rage and start from there.

[craggy pilot]

i stopped going Spell Block

i feel like the CD is too long

so i forget to use it

usually i just want to block 1 spell anyway

shorter duration and 1min CD would be better

but maybe a bit too strong

[narrow oar]

!WA

!wa

rip

[tropic linden]

Hey, do i SR on CD on first boss of shadowmoon?

[forest tulip]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml# @tropic linden

[hybrid hull]

only when she has her buff that makes her auto attacks deal additional magic damage

the icon for it is a purple dagger, starts with 3 stacks iirc

[deft socket]

noob question: How many primary stat gems can you have in lariat? just one?

[tender cove]

What cooldown does aegis average out to with the 2 charges and AM? I'm guessing its above 1 min?

[oak echo]

you get 1 primary stat gem across all gear

lariat sockets aren't different from anything else

[deft socket]

Thanks!

[warm plinth]

Probably like 1.5 mins? the 2 charges won't affect the CD at all

[tender cove]

So all aegis really does is lets you use SW more often than 1 minute, for whatever scenario that would be?

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's only worth taking that talent if you need two shield walls in a short window

[forest tulip]

ugh, i need a new weapon. im still stuck with a ilvl 372

[warm plinth]

craft one

[tender cove]

okok, thats good to know, just had the illusion i was getting more SW overall.

[forest tulip]

i do have blacksmithing but all my profession points are in armor lmao

[warm plinth]

can just have someone else make it. Weapon commissions generally aren't too crazy

[warm plinth]

average cd with wall is ~1 min

for comparison

And you also get more rage from SS

[tender cove]

What is the CDR for thunderlord on ST?

[tender cove]

mmm, def changing, this is typical me, i focus so much on playing the game, i forget talents xD

[toxic pewter]

They nerfed first two bosses of rlp

[warm plinth]

It depends @tender cove It's 1 sec per clap, so depends on like if you're in Avatar or not for starters

[toxic pewter]

Would like to see Crawth nerf

But none

[rare vault]

Crafting our BiS helm is still infurious helm of Vengeance?

[warm plinth]

I want to see a leymoor or w/e his name is nerf

[fast knot]

Missing a tree is pretty close to a death sentence lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah

it's nuts

1 missed tree on 17 was death

[toxic pewter]

I think leymour is fine personally but def need to position to destroy as much trees as possible

[warm plinth]

I think they either need to spawn the trees in a smaller radius, or they need to slightly enlarge the clearing circles

Not even a lot. Like 2 yards would be a big help

[fast knot]

"Reduced the push effect of Hurricane Wing on Mythic difficulty." By the time my guild gets there maybe we won't need lock portal that half the raid will miss the shard to use

[weary saddle]

Massive nerf to RLP 1st and 2nd boss.

[tender cove]

How good is decoration of flame defensivly? And what would you use with it? wetstone or hoof?

[urban portal]

yeah extra charges are granting you literally 1 extra casts over the course of a fight

its only giving extra casts if you are somehow sitting on it

[slim dove]

still no big bird fix

love it

[urban portal]

for example, 2 charges of shield slam or TC would be huge

because we are constantly at risk of letting the ability sit

[tender cove]

how so?

[urban portal]

think UF windows

you TC,SS,TC, didnt get a reset, so you revenge

now revenge procs SS

now do you TC or SS?

either way something is rotting on your bars

[tender cove]

ahh ye, that makes sense

[tulip kelp]

So if I SW first searing blows, and then demo/D stance/IP/IV the second and still die, is that on me or healer

[urban portal]

thats why the initial implementation of storm of steel was horrible

it was literally a dps down

now its a dps down but rage up at least

[lucid raven]

Is Seal of Filall Duty even worth using considering mastery best stat? I got it at 418

[urban portal]

yes

high ilvl

[lucid raven]

The healing bonus is quite nice at like 7-8% overall

[urban portal]

more stats>better stats

[round cliff]

is there an exact science to the snap up at the start of sbg

they took a solid 10 seconds to decide to finally snap

[tender cove]

Any idea on this plz?

[tulip kelp]

Snap up?

[nimble laurel]

That seems about normal

they are immune for an additional 5-10 seconds after

[wanton shale]

saw a +16 NO hosted with 2 tanks so joined just to see what would happen and they wanted me to go Fury. Bosses took forever but timed with room to spare and fun just for something different

[tiny bramble]

Hey, anyone knows how to tank the panda boss of jade temple? I did a +18 tyra, and could pass the green phase

any tips?

[torpid junco]

Gonna craft either belt or shield this week since they are both my lowest ilvl at 392. Shield first ?

@tiny bramble your healer should be helping with cd’s but I usually health pot and enduring one then wall the next then last stand and enduring 3rd. Have fat IP’s ready also

[forest tulip]

god i love tanking so much when things actually go well

[warm plinth]

DPS CDs and lust should also be held for 2nd phase to get through it as quickly as possible.

[wet compass]

should probably wait the day for vault and then decide

[jade trench]

The tank buster also applies a DOT and a healing absorb. I generally spell reflect for the damage reduction of the DOT and Impending Victory to help with the absorb.

Usually it means the healer isnt dealing with the healing absorb. You can only dispel it in phase 1

[ionic yarrow]

anyone know how to stop the fixate for the dominated mobs in sbg?

[warm plinth]

It's not a fixate. The target of the adds is based on aggro on the dominators. You need to make sure you have threat on the dominators so that the adds hit you and not your group.

[ionic yarrow]

tyvm!

[glacial nova]

my main is 398 fury..thinking of switching to prot. how screwed am i for gear

[warm plinth]

Probably a bit low on haste I think? but other than that you're probably fine.

[hollow mural]

am I big brain or dumb for just now figuring out how to not spawn balls on the last boss of AV

[main pulsar]

Does retail WoW have GDKP raids like Classic WoW?

[compact mortar]

yo what do you guys think I should craft tomorrow? I'm debating between weapon, belt, and signet of titanic insight. Only reason I say belt is because the only good belt from M+ (the only content I do) is Crit/Mastery)

[warm plinth]

There's no way to prevent him from spawning them. He spawns them every time he reaches 100 energy.

[warm plinth]

Weapon is a no brainer

Should've been one of the first things you made

[slim dove]

weapon

20 ilvls is massive

[compact mortar]

Only reason I didn't before is because the weapon from AA is big stat haste, figured that may be better in the long run than equal stats haste/vers but I think you are probably right. Starting to get into 20+ keys and vers is becoming more important

[warm plinth]

Weapon DPS is the only important stat on weapons.

Vers is no more meaningful than any other stat. That's a meme.

[compact mortar]

Why do you say that? Should we go just for straight iLvl as prot?

[warm plinth]

Yes, you should. The reason I say that is because it takes a ton of vers to get a small amount of DR. It's 410 vers just for 1% DR. You can get 1% crit for 180 rating, comparatively, and in M+ that will serve you just as well if not better at reducing damage.

I'm not saying vers is bad by any means. Just illustrating the point that vers gets preached way too much for what is essentially no better a stat than any other.

Having x% vers isn't going to be the decision maker between success and failure, regardless of key level.

[grave flower]

does anyone have an updated fireblood WA to track what we can dispel off ourselves?

[slim dove]

everything.

[steep schooner]

Do we have a priority crafted order pinned? Just switch from Fury to Prot

[blazing condor]

Shield / wep / lariat

[steep schooner]

have the 398 AV shield already so I'll probably craft the weapon tomorrow and upgrade the shield

cheers

Unless a 415 weapon drops tomorrow in vault what comes after lariat? Frostfire belt?

[woven steppe]

Floor orbs?

[blazing condor]

Kinda whatever honestly but belt isnt bad

[frozen rose]

does our rotation change with 2 piece during execute stage? obvz if you execute over revenge, ur not gona proc it...

so still toss in some revenge?

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure you just execute like normal

[loud hull]

do you guys got any WA/addons to tell u when to use defensives?

[blazing condor]

nop

if you wanna get good at the game its better to know that yourself

[loud hull]

its my alt

just wanna know when the spell is very big or not so big

[blazing condor]

havent heard of a WA like that

comes with experience so just play

or read the dungeon journal

[urban portal]

not even hekili can do that

and we all know hekili is the most powerful addon known to mankind

[hollow mural]

yeah. Kinda dont wanna leak if its not known but I can get 0 orbs to spawn all fight, but its DPS dependent

[loud hull]

trying not to take offense with you lol @blazing condor

[blazing condor]

no offense meant

[slim dove]

my drops are cursed

4800 vers rn

[midnight burrow]

405-->418 which to upgrade first? Lariat, shield, weapon. All curently 405

[blazing condor]

shield or wep

cus mainstat

shield is more important in terms of survival