protection

[strong forum]

I have about 80-90% uptime on wildstrikes

[urban portal]

hes saying that crit chances makes wild strikes more consistent

yeah

[strong forum]

Which makes battering ram all the better

[wanton shale]

it does rifght? cuz you get more AA crits = more wild strikes uptime

[urban portal]

yeah

[strong forum]

Yes

[urban portal]

i got confused

sorry

i thought it was some proc that gave you crit chance for some reason

[wanton shale]

are yall doing semi heavy crit builds fine even into +20s?

[strong forum]

I'm full haste/crit

Works perfectly fine

[wanton shale]

sweet!

[urban portal]

mid

you dont wanna be using shockwave for damage

[broken snow]

Hey ! Sorry, it's my first time here !
Someone have a weak aura for track Vanguard ? (Proc 2p tierset)

[modern brook]

you have to sacrifice a damage talent to turn your CC inot a damage talent

and it does less than the damage talents you can sac it for

[urban portal]

yeah basically you cant remove anything in here

[modern brook]

big burst tho which makes people

[wanton shale]

the increased bleeds from TR sub-talent is more important than TR itself? I feel I tend to burst when everyone else is bursting so even though the numbers look good, it may not be changing the big picture that much

[urban portal]

both are good

[wanton shale]

like if the TR was removed from the big pack pull, the dps would just take 2 more seconds to kill that pack

[urban portal]

its definitely changing the big pciture

[modern brook]

TR is uncapped, Rend and DW are large parts of our passive damage, 1 point for a 15% bonus on all 3 of those is big.

[urban portal]

definitely more than 2econds

[wanton shale]

ahh that's huge ok

[urban portal]

if you considering that it makes the pack take 10% less time to kill

thats huge

shaving 4 seconds off a 40s pack is 10% faster

[wanton shale]

i didn't realize the uncapped part, that's pretty damn big

[urban portal]

roar itself being uncapped doesnt really matter

rend/dw is essenitally uncapped also

[wanton shale]

i liked the low CD talent too but gets hard balancing what to sacrifice for it, can't have too many toys lol

[urban portal]

yeah

bottom tree of warrior is ver ygood

you want a lot of things

[left cave]

i have to ask..in vault i jump to far corner to tank last boss spell refelect the tank hit and all but the dam orbs..they always kill me! are the dps supposed to move more so they come towards them? What am i doing wrong. Some tanks even say i dont even move at all how is that even possible

[broken snow]

Hey ! Sorry, it's my first time here !
Someone have a weak aura for track Vanguard ? (Proc 2p tierset)

[modern brook]

pins have good talent builds

[modern brook]

you probably dont need one, you should revenge often enough that its just up from playing - Wago probably has some and you can make it fairly easily following the default suggestions from WA itself

[urban portal]

ngl it seems like a lot of people have problems keeping it up

especially during UF windows

if you get chain TC-SS-TC-SS

[modern brook]

Would you revenge instead of TC or SS to keep vanguard up there?

[urban portal]

not sure

[modern brook]

neither am i

My bones say no

[urban portal]

maybe we just dont run UF

and run IO instead

idk

[modern brook]

for 4% verse?

seems extreme tbh

but yeah if we end up changing logic based on the buff, im wrong and you'd want a wa to track it

[void bramble]

I imported the spell block wa and it never works do I need to do something

[urban portal]

at least in prepatch nome said it wasnt even that much of a dps down

to run UF

something like that

[tropic linden]

R u guys picking Battering Ram or SoF?

[urban portal]

a rule of thumb is that the more down a talent is the better

sof is whatever

battering ram is goodge

[sweet summit]

check load conditions

[tropic linden]

Isn't like, a little bit of dmg on a 45s CD?

[urban portal]

ist more than sof

shield charge blasts

especially with some crit

[sick sentinel]

M+ builds vary by dungeon

you shouldnt build M+ trees based on sim

[urban portal]

both are just damage

SOF vs battering ram

so its just a question of what does more

[modern brook]

faster auto attacks -> more rage- >more everything

its the same concept as more haste => more good but better cause its a seperate buff

[modern brook]

io > UF you mean?

[urban portal]

yeah

sorry

but it does seem like more people run sof>ram in keys

[loud hull]

How am I supposed to surive Hyrja blast in halls of valor ?

i shield reflect, take 300k dmg and dies

[tawny kiln]

use more cooldowns

[loud hull]

IG+shield reflect not enough?

IP^

its a fucking +15

[fast knot]

IP/reflect/stance is like standard protocol for any tank hit that is magic

[coral pollen]

You could take the double shield wall plus shield wall on avatar if you’re really worried

[fallow osprey]

Get yourself a nice big IP beforehand, swap to defense stance, spell reflect

Should be more than enough

[loud hull]

big ass yikers

[spice radish]

@loud hull double small or 1 big + reflect in all of them

[uncut notch]

Spell block and double wall

[spice radish]

tanked it on 25 tyra with demo+ref+capped ignore pain

but tahts the minimum you can do

[urban portal]

should jsut flick into dstance occasionally

[grizzled forge]

Idk I’ve never had to switch to defensive in an 18 19 with IP SB up and pop a reflect or demo shout with reflect assuming IP and SB are always up

[spice radish]

spell block is not needed

[loud hull]

i see

i just think shield wall is overkill man

the mechanic is every 1min

[tulip kelp]

You can demo shout every spell blast too

[fast knot]

I figure it's like an instant thing to do to help my healer 🤷‍♀️

Might as well take less damage that instant

[loud hull]

u do shout mid cast?

[coral pollen]

It is, but it’s more of you’re just uncertain or the healer isn’t up to snuff

[loud hull]

idk its my alt

just got rekt

took 0 dmg on trash and this abillity just 1 shots me

[grizzled forge]

Ya I have high IP and shield block up and just reflect and demo shout everyone

In battle stance

And thats like an 18 19

[spice radish]

you can use demo for dmg on pull, so you shield wall +reflect 1st, then 2nd you demo+reflect + trinket if you have Seed/eranog. 3rd you wall +reflect again 4th demo+reflect+external, 5th wall + reflect, 6th demo + reflect + last stand, 6th wall+ reflect, 7th demo+reflect + external @loud hull

[loud hull]

holy moly im gonna reconsider all this tanking

[spice radish]

spell block could help you a bit but after hyrja its a dead talent

wouldnt rec it

[edgy grail]

25 halls 👀

How much pain

[spice radish]

also is best trinket you can have on a high hov

for hyrja and only

[tulip kelp]

Lol you’re way over complicating it

[spice radish]

you can also use impending victory immediately after you get hit from the frontal

while u are on ur way back

like, on the air

[deft mortar]

bloodsurge vs instigate?

M+ overall

I dont use Rend

I think insitgate anyway

[wanton shale]

on a 15, just SR + IP + Def stance is plenty for Hyrja knockback right?

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum is there an issue with shield wall icon appearing in the WA? im noticing it doesnt show up

[sick sentinel]

Is rend not mandatory?

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna reimport

[deft mortar]

rend is probs mandatory

but im going for more defensive

and more cc

[urban portal]

rend is definitely mandatory

rend is basically defensive

because it generates a shit ton of rage

[deft mortar]

I got shockwave

[urban portal]

how is that related to rend

[deft mortar]

i got avatar too

so no TR

[urban portal]

the meta build has all of them

the two talents under shockwave are ad

bad

[deft mortar]

this what I go

been bleed build for a while tho

[spice radish]

thats 0 damage

[urban portal]

drop spiked shield for rend

drop instigate for bloodsurge

thats just more defensive value

more damasge

more rage gain

[deft mortar]

hmm spike shield for rend is an actual legit choice act

hows threat affected by that

[urban portal]

rend is infinitely more threat

[deft mortar]

nice

good good

act happy about that

[urban portal]

if you switch out ITF for HR

you can also drop bolster

[deft mortar]

i like bolster

dropping stormbolt toh

for thunder rend

[solar sandal]

...what?

[urban portal]

what kind of key level are you doing that you need all this garbage

[deft mortar]

shockwave CD reduc is enough for my stunning

[solar sandal]

that tree...

can't tell if real or just jokes

[urban portal]

you are definitely not pushing 20s

even 24s people dont play this build

[deft mortar]

witness new tree

[solar sandal]

still cant tell

[urban portal]

this is the highest timed key

[solar sandal]

im honestly horrified tho

oh a real tree

nvm

[deft mortar]

my healer does 20k ST dps

[urban portal]

ok so

what kind of key level are you doing

that you need all this

[deft mortar]

just 18s

[urban portal]

then you def dont need it

people doing 23s are running less defensives than you

[deft mortar]

wanna hear what's worse

I am gemmed stamina and enchanted vers

[solar sandal]

pls no

there it is

[urban portal]

gemming stamina

holy shit

[deft mortar]

also I perma sit defensive stance

[solar sandal]

🤢

[lusty grotto]

sounds like a troll to me

[deft mortar]

I overall 30k HPS

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt bother

[solar sandal]

wait it should be higher than that...

[deft mortar]

My vers is 20%

[oak heart]

Your group probably hates you for doing 10k overall dps

[deft mortar]

yes

I also have CR

in case idiot resto dies

[urban portal]

this is the power of a fotm reroller

[lusty grotto]

and a troll

[oak heart]

Remember to use drums on the first single pack, so your mage can use his dps button instead

[deft mortar]

instead dodge the jade serpent 3rd boss aoe

I pop avatar

kekw

[lusty grotto]

great advice there Aidy

[deft mortar]

thx for the rend bloodsurge tho

was sad about dropping them but they make more sense

[strong forum]

Load condition

I fixed it on my end but didn't update it on wago

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think i got it

[proud dock]

is the consensus to pop CDs for >=3 stacks of searing in RLP? <=2 healer can manage?

[lusty grotto]

is the UW one supposed to be gone btw?

i assume so right?

i just set one for DA and another for IW meanwhile

[strong forum]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

roger, thanks

[zenith sky]

To be fair, having a battle rez on my bracers did save the timer on at least one run for me :)

[deft mortar]

Tank CR is like a requirement ngl

[livid aurora]

I also have a cr here

[deft mortar]

having both battle shout and CR on tank legit opens a fresh DPS spot

[livid aurora]

It's kinda difficult to pull off as a tank though

Spamming RLP for the trinket. Nothing. Although, Blizz insists on giving me every other trinket I don't want or need

[lusty grotto]

dont worry, you dont have worse luck than me

[livid aurora]

Last RLP I had a destro lock that did 11k dps less than I did overall

Feels bad man

[deft mortar]

Blood DK is fun

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[deft mortar]

But not as reliable as Warr ngl

Thinking leveling a guardian next

[livid aurora]

Always was bdk. Wanted something different

[frozen rose]

Ngl

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[deft mortar]

guardian and bdk both solid for M+ just cuz CR

we need a tank with bloodlust

[south condor]

Wouldn’t that make prot pally solid too

[urban portal]

guardian solid

[deft mortar]

tbf its unfair that mages have int buff + bloodlust

and warriors have only str buff

[lusty grotto]

*atk power

[urban portal]

its also agility buff

technically

yeah

[deft mortar]

what is agility

must be some leather thing

[urban portal]

dh monks

hunters

and shiz

[deft mortar]

so i either go physical cleave or magic cleave which is meh

[lusty grotto]

good lord my iq keeps dropping by 5 every time this guy types a sentence

[deft mortar]

Mage + Demo + DH or WW + Hunter + some 3rd atk pow phsyical dps

atleast warr tank allows a 3rd spot for phsical cleave dps

[urban portal]

Pretending the 5% matters in keys

[deft mortar]

pretending it doesnt is delusional

[urban portal]

While speccing for least dps humanly possible

[deft mortar]

3% from resto + 5% from mystic touch + 5% from warr buff is 13.5%

[frozen rose]

Anyone have thoughts on how vanguard determination affects priorities with shield block and thunder clap? So if like I have both SS and tc off cd, but vanguard has run out, do I revenge to get it back as priority ?

[lusty grotto]

nim's iq level = -245

[lusty grotto]

it shouldnt

[deft mortar]

13.5% dmg is alot

[frozen rose]

Ngl

[lusty grotto]

youre still revenging

but it shouldn't affect prio

you have enough time to fill in gcds

[urban portal]

You know what else is a lot

[frozen rose]

@lusty grotto so u think popping SS and tc is still prio over revenge

[uneven mason]

Wat

[urban portal]

The damage you threw away

Speccing survival

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[deft mortar]

big doubt healer makes up for it

another perk of having resto

[oblique drift]

Can someone point me in the direction of the definitive NO route?

[radiant pewter]

Y wud you drop shield charge

[frozen rose]

@lusty grotto I thx. So essential tier doesn’t change prio list/rotation

[urban portal]

You take the specs that do most damage

If they happen to provide a buff good for them

[lusty grotto]

correct

[deft mortar]

no spec will make up for providing 5% to the entire group

[uneven mason]

Trying to figure out when you would have both tc and ss off CD but haven't revenged recently

[frozen rose]

@uneven mason prio revenge enough and it happens 🙂

[urban portal]

Good thing all the physical specs are meta right now

[prime sphinx]

I think most class discord discussion is like 25% dogshit. The prot war channel must be like 60% +

[urban portal]

But the meta used to be blood warlock hunter monk

[ashen elm]

i crafted a frostfire belt since i got the fire ring from my heroic box, but i have 2 sparks left. any recommendations?

[urban portal]

There was no buffs

[final mist]

Nah, it’s always been like this, in every spec/class discord.

[deft mortar]

yall rly think protection channel is 60%

have u ever been to the pvp channel

probs not

[urban portal]

Yeah you are 50% of it

[strong forum]

These days it's 99% just "what embellishment" and "woah 2nd boss rlp hurts"

[blazing condor]

^

[final mist]

Same shit, just behind a different question and discussion

[deft mortar]

there is nothing that 2nd boss RLP does that hurts me kekw

[strong forum]

Yeah sal

[steady steppe]

should tank raszageth slightly to the side so DPS dont get parried right?

[deft mortar]

Must be some dps tank problems

[final mist]

“What embellishment” is basically just “what relics / legendaries / talents”

[lusty grotto]

Sal

[final mist]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

ive missed you

[final mist]

That’s me

Someone told me necrotic was gone

And I’m not

[ashen elm]

i crafted a frostfire belt since i got the fire ring from my heroic box, but i have 2 sparks left. any recommendations?

[lusty grotto]

[deft mortar]

what would be the least fun week to tank

[final mist]

Do you have Lariat? If yes, then craft a weapon/shield.

[ashen elm]

raging forti with no soother 🙂

[final mist]

If you have those, pick something else you need a slot for that’s not an embellishment.

[ashen elm]

nah i dont have a lariat yet

[strong forum]

Weapon/shield or whatever you find interesting

[deft mortar]

bolster + raging + fortified was annoying

but managing bolster isnt hard I guess

[final mist]

Then Lariat is your friend.

[blazing condor]

not anymore

[lusty grotto]

Sal you remember Alavisto

[strong forum]

Lariat is not any better than other embellishments

[final mist]

Unfortunately

[lusty grotto]

this Agmius guy reminds me of him

[deft mortar]

sanguine is just annoying but

[lusty grotto]

at least early Alavisto

before the rage

[lunar widget]

Hey guys, I just did a +16 on Ruby Life Pools. I got recked by Kokia Blazehoof (the second boss). I managed to rotate my cooldowns but at the 4th adds, I have nothing left and she just wreck me. How do you do it ?

[ashen elm]

i only have the belt atm and 2 sparks left but i didnt wanna craft a lariat and then have someone be like, 'you shouldve crafted shield' for example

[deft mortar]

copy this

you will have defensives

[final mist]

Well, you have two sparks and anything that’s not a two handed only costs one

[deft mortar]

u wont die

[strong forum]

Getting high ilvl on weapon/shield has a far greater yield than lariat

[deft mortar]

about impossible to die with this

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[strong forum]

Sorry but this build sucks

[frozen rose]

“Ngl

[strong forum]

Like straight up

Low dps, low surv

[deft mortar]

im pretty sure its not low surv

given it has every defensive option available in it

[lofty widget]

the highest surv build is what does the most dmg

[lusty grotto]

time to block this guy and move on with my life

[lofty widget]

mobs cant kill you if theyre dead

[lunar widget]

Yeah not a bad idea

[final mist]

No, that is a bad idea

That’s a very bad idea

[deft mortar]

ah yes block

do use shield block

[ashen elm]

so should i craft a shield with armor spikes?

[lunar widget]

why ?

I really think I need something specific for this boss

[lusty grotto]

for which boss

[strong forum]

Leave the armor spikes away, just craft a normal shield

[lusty grotto]

Kokia?

[lunar widget]

shield block and ignore pain only is useless when the boss does the burst

[lunar widget]

y

[ashen elm]

okay so normal shield but i have 1 embellishment slot open

so lariat and normal shield?

[deft mortar]

pretty sure avatar > shield wall > reflect + demo > avatar again should cover every burst window

[strong forum]

If you absolutely need to get an embellishment, get the vers bracers

[lusty grotto]

ill let someone chime in on it cause its been covered so much

[deft mortar]

if it doesnt BSV should keep u up

[void bramble]

just got this should I dump valor into it?

[blazing condor]

i wouldnt since its not our best ring

[fallen pulsar]

double shield wall, holding demo for one to use with dstance, healer external on one buster, out healing the damage with ls and iv

[livid crown]

New to tanking, on the pinned list of stuff that's spell reflect/ able to be blocked, the block is with using shield block ability I'm guessing right?

[lunar widget]

?! dont have a wall 5 time in 3 minutes

[deft mortar]

ring sisters?

[strong forum]

Defenders Aegis should be enough to deal with rlp 2nd boss

[oblique drift]

Can someone point me in the direction of a good NO route?

[fallen pulsar]

theres ways to get past kokia damage

reliably

[deft mortar]

idk ur key buy bossfight shouldn't be more than 4 mins?

[void bramble]

I thought it was our best ring for m+

[lunar widget]

tyra no bl can be

[fast knot]

Wish I had an evoker healer

[ashen elm]

well u can have 2 so might aswell

[blazing condor]

i wouldnt personally use a ring where haste isn't the highest secondary

its not a bad ring tho

[junior raptor]

the great vault: Is it only loot tables from the mythics you've completed that week? (excluding raids)

[strong forum]

It's not a bad ring, but the ring you want to upgrade is the one from cos

[pulsar sedge]

Its rated pvp, M+, and raids for loot

[strong forum]

All m+

[oak echo]

the m+ loot is from all dungeons

[strong forum]

Not only the ones you did

[modern brook]

you clear whats mandatory at the first 3 bosses + to like...94? on grave yard. then clear batak and broham for 100%

[junior raptor]

crap, so no way to force the loot table then? 😦

[strong forum]

Nop

[deft mortar]

is there haste soft cap??

[junior raptor]

😦

[strong forum]

40% before buffs

[tulip kelp]

Does anyone use glacial fury over eye of the storm for M+?

[final mist]

~94.5%

[strong forum]

I've used it exclusively

[deft mortar]

40% including Into the Fray?

[pulsar sedge]

I use glacial. I'd say its amazing

[oblique drift]

thx, I'll try this

[strong forum]

Without into the fray

[deft mortar]

I guess fray isnt part ye

[fallen pulsar]

I know this has been asked, but I forgot the answer, if you have a great shield, do you open as fury?

[deft mortar]

well fk I am too behind on haste

[spark forge]

how much crit should i be going for

[lusty grotto]

🤦

[strong forum]

As much as your ilvl allows

[deft mortar]

23% haste rip

[modern brook]

All of this is overthinking 2ndaries

[ashen elm]

@strong forum what is the vers bracer called?

[pulsar sedge]

All stats are good for us.. Not really one to go for over the other

[deft mortar]

I miss 120 CPM in shadowlands abit

[strong forum]

Allied something

[pulsar sedge]

Ilvl>all

[strong forum]

They're mentioned in the pins Wesley

[ashen elm]

ohh

my bad sorry

[deft mortar]

but i dont miss not having bitter immunity

[prime sphinx]

I opened as arms cos I want grieftorch or cos trinket. Have 418 wep 415 shield

[lofty widget]

i miss having haste as my highest stat

[prime sphinx]

U could do fury if u want 421 wep tho

[fallen pulsar]

I'm legit hoping my vault has a high ilvl chest tomorrow, I cannot get any chest pieces to drop in m+ or raid lmao

still rocking a 379

[lilac jay]

With crafted shield u should always open as fury

[fallen pulsar]

otherwise gonna spark one

[ashen elm]

what stats do i craft shield with haste/vers im assuming

[lilac jay]

Unless u want exclusively the trinket from nokhud or totem trinket

[blazing condor]

haste/crit or haste/vers

[fallen pulsar]

does nokhud/totem trinket not drop as fury spec?

thats a bit weird

[deft mortar]

blazdebinder hoof vs puzzle box?

same ilvl

i personally hate puzzle box

for tanking

for 30% mastery

[fallen pulsar]

sim, but box would probably sim higher

its a crazy amount of stats

[deft mortar]

ik legit 30% masterylmao

[fallen pulsar]

makes big pulls melt

[deft mortar]

ill try the dps build for low keys for fun

just to make u guys feel better

since if I pull the entire dungeon dps and healer die

no point maxing out survival much

[pulsar sedge]

?

I mean.. unless you are doing M0's.. You arent pulling the whole dungeon bud.

[grave wedge]

In halls of valor. On the second boss your supposed to use the shield beam move she does to knock yourself to the other side right?

[deft mortar]

Well anything below M10 is practically M0

[kind glen]

Yeah, bud

[lofty widget]

yeah

[fallen pulsar]

m0 nelth was fun, pulling literally every mob into the boss and cleaving them down lmao

[pulsar sedge]

Lol k.. If you say so

[deft mortar]

speaking on HoV can we still skip the trash pack right before the Eyir or did they spread them out

Ididnt try yet

[fallen pulsar]

the shield lady with the beam?

[deft mortar]

y

we used to skip it in legion just by walking past

[lusty grotto]

why would you skip that, its easy

[fallen pulsar]

yeah its a pretty easy pack

[deft mortar]

it was waste of time

[lusty grotto]

but sure its skippable, hope your guys arent body pulling

[deft mortar]

u did smth else for %

[lofty widget]

pull it with the previous pack

[deft mortar]

btw yall reset the armor debuff by jumping down from the edge there? xd

can pull both packs no problem and dodge debuff

[lusty grotto]

no

[pulsar sedge]

Dont need to reset what you dont get

Just backstep on the casts.

[deft mortar]

wait wot dang

i just jump down

then I walk left right so they change direction they walk to me again

no melee hits for like 5-7 secs

[pulsar sedge]

Or just slightly backstep from them, pull both packs... and never get the debuff.

[deft mortar]

then once they come down u can leap back up

[grave wedge]

Okay thought so this warlock kept getting hit by her and said i need to aim it away. Had neber heard that before and this bieng a 16 i thought maybe he had some merrit but i deff ran the beam directly down the middle like i should have.

[pulsar sedge]

Then your melee can cleave no issues.

[lusty grotto]

the pack? you dont aim away

tell the warlock to LoS the jump

[deft mortar]

then I guess that trick will be for necrotic week x

OK another thing:

[grave wedge]

No the shield beam from the second boss. I use it to launch to the opposite side

[lusty grotto]

necrotic is gone

[final mist]

Necrotic doesn’t exist anymore.

[toxic pewter]

still not exactly sure what changes about our appearance after getting 2500 item thing

[deft mortar]

what why

😦 it was fun

owell

[final mist]

Because Blizzard removed it because it wasn’t fun.

[pulsar sedge]

Not really.. It was really unintuitive..

[deft mortar]

eh i liked to use my slows

[lusty grotto]

🥑 2.0 i swear to god lol

[deft mortar]

and mobility

as prot ur consecration slowed and almost 80% of ur dps was ranged so I just kited mobs perma

[pulsar sedge]

Just like kite meta in shadowlands.. Terrible gameplay

[lusty grotto]

SMH my head

[deft mortar]

succs to be warrior in that meta kekw

[final mist]

Mhmm, sure.

[lusty grotto]

my iq is already at -748

[pulsar sedge]

lol

[deft mortar]

wonder whats the % of -748 iq

about 50 SD from 100

fk dinners here

[pulsar sedge]

I honestly cant tell if this guy is intentionally trolling.. Or being serious since i logged in.. shrug

[lusty grotto]

it seems like it

[torpid fiber]

how do you guys deal with the stormcallers during balakar khan's intermission?

[final mist]

Doesn’t matter, just ignore it and it’ll go away.

[final mist]

Interrupt them, they’ll run in.

If your DPS aren’t helping, then pray.

[young rivet]

woooo weeeee that tank buster on bird boss is brutal, at least give me a chance to block it or something...

[pulsar sedge]

If its a pug group, CC 2 of them and burst down the others. In a good group, kick them all and drag together

[lusty grotto]

on super high keys it might be worth CCing

[pulsar sedge]

Pugs are pretty dumb, CC at least one ;D

[torpid fiber]

all i do is pug 😞

[final mist]

Once they’re grouped up, you should be fine controlling them in a communicative / good group.

[lusty grotto]

well talk to them about it

[final mist]

Well, pugs be pugs.

^

[lusty grotto]

youll wipe if you dont get them under control

so its important to communicate

[pulsar sedge]

Tried that on my last run.. Had a DH imp one.. Then the spriest slapped it ;D

Pugs are fun

[lusty grotto]

remember you have fear :p

it helps for those breaks

[deft mortar]

Mark a dps and put a marker on each

[oak echo]

did yall talk about the dh imprisoning it or did he just do it?

[deft mortar]

Diamond interrupts diamond

blue interrupts blue etc

[prisma crane]

priests can MC them btw

[pulsar sedge]

Yeah we marked out DH to imp 1, hunt to trap one, then we nuke the other 2

But.. pugs be pugs ;D

[deft mortar]

and than they recast T^T

[lusty grotto]

well, nothing you can do there, the SP is just inting

[deft mortar]

maybe get the aoe interrupt talent for safety button

fear?

shockwave?

fk we have options

hard to stack them without a DK tho

[lusty grotto]

my IQ is now higher

[pulsar sedge]

KEK

[deft mortar]

I respect blocks

[mellow surge]

hey anyone knows if u should stop going for haste?

[lusty grotto]

im sad for every newbie reading his stuff but oh well

[mellow surge]

im at 30% should i go vers now?

[deft mortar]

half of tanking is blocks

[lofty widget]

no

keep stacking ilvl>haste

[daring light]

hey guys i just got all-totem of the master drop in heroic is it good for us? i see majority of tanks taking it, but it being dodge and parry based not sure how worth it is

[prisma crane]

its underrated and quite good

[pulsar sedge]

Totems decent. Its not god mode, but its still good

[lofty widget]

decent

[prisma crane]

that said, a dungeon with majority casters/hunters makes it less good though

[final mist]

You should parry “often enough” that it swaps ASAP, basically.

[mighty valley]

think about how many melee attacks you're taking, you're swapping just fine

3% overall + defensive value + some offensive buffs means it is broadly quite good though

sort of the RDM of the tier i'd say

[daring light]

what do you mean swapping, the buff it gives?

[mellow surge]

okay is at some point too much haste?

Cause i feel like i get clapped on high m+ keys

[lusty grotto]

you'll never get to it

[final mist]

Yes.

[lusty grotto]

so dont worry about "too much haste"

if youre getting clapped its not your stats

[final mist]

If you get clapped, different stats aren’t going to help you.

[lusty grotto]

its your gameplay

[pulsar sedge]

Getting clapped is usually REACTIVE gameplay vs PREVENTATIVE gameplay

[final mist]

Either you’re pulling too much, you’re straight up not geared enough (which isn’t at all likely), or you just aren’t pressing buttons good enough.

^

Warrior is not a reactive tank.

[pulsar sedge]

Like.. big hit comes out.. and you hit shield wall cuz you dont know the abilities

Instead you should be popping wall BEFORE hits

or w.e the defensive

[final mist]

If you are reacting to something hitting you very hard, you are probably already dead.

[pulsar sedge]

Or panic clicking ;D

[lusty grotto]

i feel that we havent stressed that enough

reactive play is something other tanks do

but we certainly dont

[lofty widget]

but, but... IV 😦

[lusty grotto]

well aside from outliers

yea

lol

[final mist]

The only reactive button you have as a Prot War is the shiny SS glow when it resets

Oh, IV too ig

[pulsar sedge]

I mean sure.. If we include IV into it ;D

[final mist]

That’s one not as tho

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, DK is like the premier reactive tank afaik

get clapped -> full hp, the standard combo

[lusty grotto]

right

[pulsar sedge]

Them and monk stagger

Bear.. less so. They kinda need to be keeping up defensives or they get slapped around too much

[mighty valley]

even with IV, half the time we're like "i'll take this hit and IV afterwards"

[pulsar sedge]

Idk.. I actively use my defensives all the time to assist the healer. shrug

I feel like as the tank, i want to be the last person the healer has to help

[wanton shale]

i'm also playing a resto druid alt and when i'm with a Blood DK, I think he's about to die and press panic buttons like 20X through a dungeon lol

[pulsar sedge]

BDK is scary as a healer lol

[wanton shale]

but he heals to full most of the time before my buttons even hit him

friggin nerve wracking as healer

[final mist]

Ya, BDK HP bars are very seesaw-y in M+

[pulsar sedge]

Im sure it scares even the BDK's half the time

[final mist]

Why do you think they main BDK?

[pulsar sedge]

Like... "OHHHH SHIITTTT CMON DSTRIKE!!!"

[final mist]

Those guys live off energy drinks and heart attacks

[wanton shale]

if i push higher i'm gonna have to get into voice chat with them so they can say, don't worry i'm not gonna die a handful of times lol

[median tulip]

DK give me heart attacks when I heal. HP acting like a yo-yo

[lusty grotto]

im kinda glad vdh hasnt been that way

SL vdh was kinda yoyo-y

[pulsar sedge]

They were almost required to just kite all the time

[lusty grotto]

yeah

as soon as i max my renown im getting my vdh alt up

[urban portal]

abyssal strike is the best defensive in the game

[pulsar sedge]

Jump in, do a little jumpy combo bs, then GTFO asap lol

[hard vessel]

how do you guys handle the bird boss bleed in AA?

[lusty grotto]

same way you handle kokia's bleed

[final mist]

Rotate CDs and pray

[lusty grotto]

indeed

on screech 3+ it might be super dangerous so

make sure you understand the fight

[pulsar sedge]

Use a defensive BEFORE the peck, not after usually works

[wide charm]

i just dropped AV shield, do i dump 750 valor into it or wait wednesday to craft a shield ?

[hard vessel]

ye does spellblock helps? jsut pray?

[lusty grotto]

no

[final mist]

It’s not a spell

[obtuse charm]

Does anyone know about how much damage an armor spike does on a 418 piece over a dungeon's duration?

[hard vessel]

bruh why people say warrior is broken, this boss is a nightmare as warr

[pulsar sedge]

Not really, but they are all about 1-2% dps overall in a key

[final mist]

It’s a nightmare as every tank

[jagged pier]

every tank needs a weaknees

we have 2

in all the dungeons

[final mist]

Peck isn’t dodeable, blockable, parryable, etc. it’s rough on all tanks.

[hard vessel]

no its a full joke on BDK

barely noticed this dot

[obtuse charm]

The peck is completely managable if you pool rage and use ignore pain correctly.

[stable valve]

Dwarf+defensives+evoker is meta

[wide charm]

it's not that easy to generate enough rage each time lol

[pulsar sedge]

Keep up SB.. Use IP to max.. Use a cd. Pop IV. Idk, up to 17 i didnt have an issue so far.

[lusty grotto]

well remember to use charge on it on casts

for free rage

[wide charm]

yes because it's up to 17

keys scale exponentially

[hard vessel]

ok i was with 365 in +16 with no tier and no enchants, that might the issue

[pulsar sedge]

I am aware keys scale Ama lol...

[slim dove]

its just gonna be a rough fight on tyr weeks

thats all

[wanton shale]

my orc war can turn into a dwarf as mercenary for PVP, would be so awesome if we could do it for PVE

[wide charm]

yes but 17 you can do them without pressing a single time SW/Last Stand/ or even spell reflect lol

[lusty grotto]

ehh

[pulsar sedge]

Lol k

[lusty grotto]

you still have to press them

[slim dove]

yeah if your healer is cracked

[strong forum]

"sorry the tech isn't there, but hey you can spend 25 fucking euro to get it :)" - blissard

[wide charm]

17's won't one shot you

[slim dove]

on a 18 the dot was ticking for 70kish and the initital hit was 200k i think

[lusty grotto]

it still chunks

[slim dove]

it still chunks lmao wtf

[lusty grotto]

and you need to play correctly for it

dont dismiss lower keys please

get off your high horse

[wide charm]

i'm not dismissing lower keys i'm saying it's not because it's easy in 17 that it's not hard higher

[hard vessel]

so what the other big nightmare for prot in keys?

[slim dove]

its easy in a 17 for a healer/tank used to 20s

[blazing condor]

Pug dps

[slim dove]

compared to other 17s, its not easy

[stable valve]

2nd boss ruby

[hard vessel]

isnt this shit physical?

[wide charm]

and 1st boss

[lusty grotto]

Kokia, Panda, Crawth

[stable valve]

Oh and 3rd boss in shadow moon

Because it’s so boring

[cosmic lichen]

So odd question, what stance are you all in for m+ and raids?

[final mist]

Battle

[cosmic lichen]

are you switching around?

[obtuse charm]

It is very rare that I ever leave battle stance

[final mist]

Def for specific things

[strong forum]

Battle for 99%

[stable valve]

Can block the hits but not the Bigly bleed it puts out

[final mist]

I.E. Peck

[wide charm]

Bstance unless i know i am going to take a big hit

[strong forum]

D-stance for when shit is about to hit the fan

[cosmic lichen]

My guild kicked me for using battle stance in raid, I would switch to d stance on tank busters

[final mist]

Don’t even need to do that tbh

[lusty grotto]

well you dodged a bullet

[toxic pewter]

Honestly think Crawth is my most hated boss at the moment, something seems to always go wrong

[slim dove]

i haven't gone into d-stance except heroic broodkeeper and heroic raz.

[strong forum]

Raid is 100% b-stance other than maybe diurna boss tank

[slim dove]

and heroic raz just for thunderous blast

[toxic pewter]

you guys think spell block for rasz is needed or not really

[cosmic lichen]

Its because one of the officers brought in a "friend" who is a 2400 rated tank, and he yelled at me for not using d stance

[crimson furnace]

d-stance is like a CD that u use

[strong forum]

2.4k isn't even high

[final mist]

Call him a jackass and enjoy the dodged bullet

[pulsar sedge]

Sounds like someone who doesnt know much about warriors then shrug

[lusty grotto]

well fuck em

[toxic pewter]

they just mad cuz u ripped aggro and outdamaged some dps i bet LOL

[cosmic lichen]

Nah, I do so so dps

[heady jetty]

Quick question, is there a cap on haste, and why is versa so good? 🙂

[stable valve]

Did they also tell you to only press revenge if it procs for free?

[toxic pewter]

time to go harder

[wide charm]

vers reduces dmg taken so good for tanking

[strong forum]

Versa is alright, haste "cap" is 40% before any kind of buff because of stat tax

[cosmic lichen]

They were just looking for someone to blame for my deaths, even though they overheal like crazy, and my IP and shield block is up at good %'s

[final mist]

No cap, vers reduces damage you take and increases damage you deal.

[heady jetty]

Thanks

[strong forum]

Stats aren't something you should focus on beyond the general stat prio of ilvl > haste > crit = vers > mastery

[final mist]

None of the stats are “bad” for us, they’re all pretty good.

^

Stats never make or break you.

[cosmic lichen]

Well he was bitching at me for not using IP enough when I was not even tanking at that present moment.

[strong forum]

Well

That part holds true

IP is your rage dump

[reef holly]

guys- pugging in the 11-13 range is brutal

[strong forum]

Even if you're not tanking you should need to press it to dump rage

[heady jetty]

Amen

[cosmic lichen]

I do, but at that time i was not even taking damage

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter

Even if you take 0 dmg

[toxic pewter]

gotta dump that rage for AM

[strong forum]

You should have ~10 casts per minute of ignore pain

[reef holly]

How many "only pugs" here?

[heady jetty]

Your serius about sitting in battlestance so much? I mean makes sense for dps i guess

[strong forum]

Yes

[final mist]

We don’t need the DR from DefStance usually.

Might as well take the Crit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable valve]

It’s a dps increase to press IP even if you’re not taking damage

[strong forum]

Every good prot war will sit mostly in b-stance even in >20 keys

Stance dancing is the true skill expression we have left

[heady jetty]

Sick time to Battlestance then!

Moar deeps

[pulsar sedge]

I think i've swapped a couple times from scuffed stuff and had to solo the last few % on a boss

About it

[final mist]

The only time I’ve swapped to DS in keys has been birb and some shit hitting the fan moments in 18s

And I’m 365 atm

It’s really not that necessary for the most part of you know what you’re doing

[strong forum]

^

[heady jetty]

Sounds like you got a decent healer xD

[echo scarab]

Youre mates have to be blasters then

[final mist]

I mean ya my m8s are pretty good, I like to think I’m kinda solid as well

[reef holly]

You guys must not be doing any pugs... xD

[pallid quiver]

You just simply don"y take the damage

[strong forum]

I myself refuse to pug

[deft kiln]

That would be the life.

[pallid quiver]

I still sit in B Stance like 97% of the time and I always have to pug at least two slots

[final mist]

I don’t pug as a general rule for my own sanity

[echo scarab]

Yeah not trying to talk you down, but keys are just on another level if your mates are good

[strong forum]

The only thing I've pugged my way through is heroic raid

[toxic pewter]

I only pug

[echo scarab]

Makes you play a whole new game

[strong forum]

But that in itself is a gruesome experience

[reef holly]

Hence why you can stay in battle stance all the time xD

[strong forum]

Given how I'm always top 2-5 dps

As tank

[final mist]

Listen I already play LoL, I can’t also pug keys

[strong forum]

Absolutley horrendous

[pallid quiver]

I think M+ pugs are better than Raid pugs, tbh

[final mist]

My mental is strong but not that strong

[pulsar sedge]

Gotten up to 17's so far just pugging.. its.. different lol

[echo scarab]

Flachbacks to my one lfr adventure being top1 dps on sennarth

[pulsar sedge]

You pull more on "will these idiots pull this or not" ;D

[pallid quiver]

Like I said, I only ever pug pretty much and I still only ever sit in B Stance barring specific moments

[echo scarab]

[strong forum]

In lfr idc about being top as tank

But in heroic raid?

Come on

[pallid quiver]

Half the raid is afk in LFR

[echo scarab]

Yeah thats yikes

[reef holly]

I've only gone up to 13- had an SBG where dps wouldn't kill the skeleton add on the last boss..

[echo scarab]

lfr players are just built different

[echo scarab]

theyre just playing the high key strat

[reef holly]

Yeah ever since I started using the stance dance macro, I've only been switching to d stance for big pulls/oh shit moments

[reef holly]

High IQ strat

[quiet monolith]

can we 2 tank heroic brood

[pulsar sedge]

They stealth nerfed that lol. You cant skip the skeles now

That dot is lethal

[quiet monolith]

or do i need to 3 tank

[echo scarab]

2 tanks

[strong forum]

That strat is fixed for smbg

So you better kill the wall or you're trolling.

[echo scarab]

ah rip

[reef holly]

Yeah everyone died first couple of "ignore the add" mechanic

[echo scarab]

just gimme my jade temple 3rd boss cheese back

[strong forum]

Lots of people have depleted smbg this week

Cuz lmao

[final mist]

Ya but that’s assuming puggers read hotfixes and patch notes

[strong forum]

Takes 1 attempt to figure out

[final mist]

Why read when I can find out by inting several keys

Healer diff gg

[pulsar sedge]

lol

[reef holly]

What is everyone doing for the welps on RLP first boss?

[strong forum]

Kill them

[reef holly]

haha

[final mist]

Hit TC

[pulsar sedge]

Leap to them, aoe them bitches to you.. pew pew on boss

[reef holly]

heroic leap and ravager?

[strong forum]

Nah just TC +revenge

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt leap to them

[final mist]

Don’t even need that much to get aggro if that’s what you’re thinking

[lusty grotto]

you have to burn down the shield

[toxic pewter]

I always leap and clap immediately on whelps

[nimble rock]

stack them on boss

[lusty grotto]

just challenging shout

have your healer be close to boss

[reef holly]

Yeah i've been leaping, but one dps was telling me not to

[final mist]

CS, TC’s radius should generally be enough to grab all of them if your group isn’t spread out like the great wall

[toxic pewter]

boss comes with to the whelps

[lusty grotto]

its a bad idea, you move the boss out and dps needs to burn the shield down

[echo scarab]

if youre group is with you, you dont need to leap

[nimble rock]

you can leap, get aggro, but then charge back on boss

[echo scarab]

just let em come

[toxic pewter]

the boss runs with you to the whelps tbh

then begins channeling

[reef holly]

in my pugs everyone is spread out and then they run away from me if there is a welp on them

[lusty grotto]

they will run to the healer initially

just put yourself on top of heals

[reef holly]

good call- will try that nect time

next

[lusty grotto]

you can also use shattering throw for added deeps on shield if youre worried

err wrecking

not shattering sorry

[nimble rock]

smort

[lusty grotto]

its always up for shield

so i always go with wrecking into RLP for that specific reason, it shouldn't be needed but it helps

[wide charm]

what do you drop in order to take that ?

[echo scarab]

Just play with a hunter kekw

[lusty grotto]

sidearm

[pulsar sedge]

Pain and gain/honed/sidearm are all pretty optional

[wide charm]

got fixed

[stable valve]

Didn’t they patch that?

[ashen elm]

fixed

[echo scarab]

Bruh

i need to catch up

mfs fixing all the fun strats

[lusty grotto]

if youre talking about wailing arrow yes it was fixed

[wanton shale]

i found leaping/swapping to whelps in pugs is bad. They follow ur lead and focus all dmg on the adds instead of getting boss shield down

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[nimble rock]

bad pugs 😦

[pulsar sedge]

Boss does run to you tho.. so.. shrug

[lusty grotto]

which means dps has to chase it down

and lose uptime

[pulsar sedge]

True, but pugs like to go gigachad on packs of adds anways lol

[lusty grotto]

youll wipe if you dont get the shield down so

[wanton shale]

yea boss follows but once they tab to whelps then boss takes cleave dmg and whelp takes main dmg instead of vice versa and they're all competing to pad details meters lol

[sage sierra]

Hey, what weapon enchant and flask should I use for m+?

[lusty grotto]

ideally you want everyone stacking around the boss to drop the crystals anyway

pugs are pugs though so

[forest tulip]

for embrace of the loa, which would you choose for a prot tank?

Embrace of the Loa:

Embrace of Akunda - Your healing abilities have a chance to heal their target.
Embrace of Bwonsamdi - Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal Shadow damage and heal you for 100% of the damage done.
Embrace of Gonk - Increase movement speed by 5%.
Embrace of Kimbul - Your damaging abilities have a chance to cause the target to bleed over 6s. This effect stacks up to 3 times.
Embrace of Krag'wa - Taking damage has a chance to grant you additional Health and 66 Armor.
Embrace of Pa'ku - Your abilities have a chance to grant you 4% critical strike for 12 seconds.

ive been using Bwonsamdi

but Krag'wa seems nice

[lusty grotto]

just sit on healer and wait for them to come to you guys and challenging, or shockwave into clap

[pulsar sedge]

@forest tulip they are all VERY minor

Like.. VERY VERY VERY minor

[urban portal]

none of them do anythign

all minor

[nimble rock]

are those even still active for DF content? lol

[echo scarab]

Enchant: Frozen Devotion and Phial: Phial of Glacial Fury

[lusty grotto]

*sophic

[oak echo]

They're a racial so why not

[nimble rock]

o my bad

[oak echo]

It's the z troll thing

[nimble rock]

yeh I had something else in mind

[echo scarab]

For Raid sophic, m+ is frozen though?

[lusty grotto]

no i use sophic for everything

[urban portal]

frozen is better on low target counts

opposite if anything

just run sophic or wafting for all content

[toxic pewter]

Prob best just to run Pa'ku

or Gonk

[lilac jay]

Sophic sims higher in both contents and is cheaper

[pallid quiver]

GO FAST

[sweet summit]

psure kimbul sims better

[lilac jay]

Glacial fury flask for trash and versa flask for bosses.

[wind vigil]

Primary stats on prot?

[sage sierra]

I have been using strengh flasks

[lusty grotto]

[wide charm]

you change flask mid dungeon ???

[gritty glen]

Come on...lol. Google or the pins in this channel.

[lilac jay]

That’s BiS during tyran. But no Iam cheap af. Only using versa flask lol.

[lusty grotto]

i only use GF

[light fulcrum]

What should i socket into my 3s Elemental Lariat?

[pulsar sedge]

primary gem and 2 hybrid gems

[formal grail]

I’ve seen this term called backstepping going around, what even is that?

[lusty grotto]

strafing back

so basically

you strafe away from the mob

if youre angled correctly, you should still block/parry/dodge while moving at full speed

its hard to explain without showing

lets say the mob is to your side, as you strafe backwards

and by backwards i mean moving in the opposite direction of the mob

doing this you go full speed vs backpedalling

which is slower

[turbid plaza]

hey, I main fury but have been tanking some 14-15's for my friends and I noticed most of the time I'm overcapping rage. I'm tryin to keep up my SB uptime, try to always have IP up, and cast revenge often on cd but still with rav, demo, etc I feel like there's a lot of rage that I cannot even spend. I'm always prioritizing shield slam, should I use ravager more?
Also I haven't feel like I'm in danger, there were some dungeons where I didn't even press Shield wall or last stand. maybe i'm just overgeared for 15's and should just press them in big packs to help healer with mana and stuff, or just save them as emergency?
Also one last thing, the rotation is feeling clunky to me, i guess it's normal cuz fury it's a high pace rotation but what should be my priority? Right now i'm doing it like TC>SS>Rev, is that ok?

[mighty valley]

slam IP to avoid overcapping rage

regardless of your current IP status

[turbid plaza]

mm yeah i guess it's always better to refresh the shield instead of waste the rage

[mighty valley]

on your CDs, feel free to just press than basically on CD while you don't feel in danger and start to feel out where you need them for real

spending rage is a huge win for us, regardless of where it goes

[pulsar sedge]

Depends on your talent tree too tho. Are you using barb training? That felt clunky to use.

[mighty valley]

anger management, indomitable, violent outburst

it's not about refreshing IP it's just about never overcapping rage no matter what

[unique hawk]

Do you all know which add on auto starts boss fights like odyn once you right click him? I thought it was DBM and I can't find the setting anywhere, and its bugging out not letting me start the fight

[mighty valley]

for standard gcd rotation, SS>TC for single target, TC takes over at more targets

but like. quite a lot of targets

[lusty grotto]

it should be dbm, update it, make sure you have DBM Legion dungeons

[pulsar sedge]

Could also be an auto turn in/talk addon

[strange loom]

Little wigs will skip dialogs

[unique hawk]

Ah I should of checked that I didnt see a new update last I checked. Thanks

[turbid plaza]

yes, I am using that but since I'm feeling an excess of rage my logic tells me that the increased cost is worth it for the increased damage

[formal grail]

I think I get it but why do it? Is it just to avoid certain mob hits?

[lusty grotto]

cause you move at full speed

vs the slow waddle that is backpedalling

[mighty valley]

once you're spending rage on IP correctly, you'll want to drop barb training, it feels really bad outside of rage gen CDs

[formal grail]

Oh I don’t backpedal, S isn’t bound 😅

[lusty grotto]

ok then

if you didnt knoww

you cant block, or parry, or dodge if a mob hits your back

[turbid plaza]

I'm talking exclusively about keys, so yeah there are quite a lot of targets sometimes

[lusty grotto]

so basically youre taking a full unmitigated hit if you dont face them

[formal grail]

Oh that’s an oof

[pulsar sedge]

@turbid plaza Check some of the builds in the pins. Might feel less clunky

[mighty valley]

there's some nuance because SS is most of your rage gen and you don't want to waste too many resets against medium number of targets, but also when you have TONS of targets and your rage is through the roof you can almost drop SS entirely and just do TC >rev > TC > rev

[pallid quiver]

pray

[pulsar sedge]

Dump rage into IP, use IV, cycle cds

[pallid quiver]

But rotate CDs, really

[craggy pilot]

bring Evoker

to cleanse it 😄

[pallid quiver]

Get an Evoker healer, iirc? The dot is a bleed so

I'd say DPS Evoker but

[pulsar sedge]

Idk.. be a dwarf lol

[pallid quiver]

that'd require them to have the foresight to, like, press buttons like that

iirc it does get cleansed as if it's a bleed and damages like a bleed

[turbid plaza]

I truly feel like I'm overusing IP, but you guys know better than me, that's a fact xD I'll try use it more and drop barb next time I tank keys and see how it feels, thanks!

[pulsar sedge]

Cant really overuse it

[mighty valley]

You're only overusing IP if you're running yourself dry on rage to fill GCDs or keep up SB

it can help to think of it less as the actual button IP and more just a button that reduces the CD of shield wall and avatar, heals you a bit, and gives you a stack of seeing red haha

[turbid plaza]

oh you're right

I was completely thinking of it just like the actual IP and not the rest of the rage spending talents

it all make sense now lol

[pulsar sedge]

prot warr is very feed back loopy

In hindsight.. That sounds stupid.. but you get what i meant ;D

[barren pewter]

I apologize if this is a dumb question; I don't play warrior I am trying to help out a friend. I was looking at his logs and I don't see any information on stances. Could someone please explain why or where I should look?

[pulsar sedge]

bstance 99% of the time

[lusty grotto]

in logs, stances are under buffs

[pulsar sedge]

ohhhh..... /facepalm

I see ;D

[honest vale]

I don't think sitting in Battle Stance most of the time is the play. 👀

[lusty grotto]

it is

[pulsar sedge]

Actually, it is ;D

[barren pewter]

Ok I didn't see it there but I will look again. you're saying he should be BStance for raid bosses?

[lusty grotto]

it is the play

[turbid plaza]

Well I'm sitting in def stance 100% of the time lol

[lusty grotto]

well youre doing it wrong

[turbid plaza]

yeah

lots of stuff to improve

[honest vale]

I'd maybe go w/ 85-90% of the time, but 99% of the time? Also, the follow-up question one would probably ask is, "Well, how do you determine the other 1%?"

[prisma crane]

depends on the boss

[prisma crane]

the 1% of areas you know you're likely to die

single large hits are standouts

[lusty grotto]

big busters, when shit hits the fan

[slim dove]

tankbusters, thats it

[pulsar sedge]

When you are at a high enough key that tank busters are going to pop you to 1% hp?

[prisma crane]

and heavy magic / bleeds

[pulsar sedge]

I.E.. The bleed from caw caw might be a good one to def stance into

[honest vale]

I think sitting in Defensive Stance 100% of the time at the start of playing the spec, then slowly rolling into weaving stances would be a more practical approach.

[barren pewter]

I was hoping to find on logs the difference between dmg tkn in each of the stances. so we could identify ways to improve his self-sustain.

[slim dove]

this can give you a bad perception of how much things actually hurt

sit in b-stance and learn when/where you want to be in d-stance

[honest vale]

Nah, log it and review your damage taken. Risking death for the sake of experimentation is silly.

[brave portal]

I start off in bstance, if im getting trucked or whatever, I switch - I am at the lower end of keys though (12's) but im pretty new to mythics.

[pallid quiver]

The problem is you're not risking death by being in battle stance

if you're risking death by being in battle stance, you shouldn't be in keys; you should be at a training dummy

[slim dove]

👆

[honest vale]

Clearly a stance isn't the only factor in whether or not you're dead. If it were, battle stance would never be used.

[pallid quiver]

Like, even on tankbusters, at low keys you can take them to the face, in battle, without a defensive up, and live

[slim dove]

up until crawth, panda, and 2nd rlp, i havent touched d-stance once up to 18s

[pallid quiver]

And after that, you'll see "oh i should do something here"

[pulsar sedge]

Dark claw is easily managed by back stepping?

shrug

[pallid quiver]

You can 100% practice your base survival on a dummy

It's called practicing pressing your buttons

At low key levels, there is zero threat to you in battle stance, and you can then learn what hurts

[pulsar sedge]

I mean.. arent keys all about pushing yourself and team by min maxing?

stance dancing is literally min maxing

[honest vale]

If you're in low keys, yeah, Battle Stance all the way, the fuck? 🤣

[pallid quiver]

If you're at trouble in dying at those low key levels, you have much bigger problems than what stance to be in

And everything just scales up from those low keys

So if you saw something moved your HP bar, know it'll move it more, and prepare from there

[frail cloud]

why mitigate damage that doesnt matter is the real way to look at it

[pallid quiver]

People treat low keys as "lmao ez faceroll" and don't extrapolate from that

leading to people actually risking their lives in notable content

[honest vale]

Like, if you pull 2-3 packs of wolves before Fenryr P2, being in Dstance isn't going to save you, nor would Bstance, regardless of key level.

[forest tulip]

Is it just me or do people run away from you on the first boss of RLP when they're targeted by whelps so you can't get aggro on them?

[pulsar sedge]

Pugs be pugs

[slim dove]

i pull 2-3 consistantly..

[potent gale]

How y'all playing prot tank, im confused af, i feel like i dont generate enough rage and loose aggro from time to time (i never played tank and i made prot warrior, currently on lvl 26 but i feel kinda overwhelmed with him BUT i wanna learn how to play tanks, pls send help)

[slim dove]

rotate CDs and shits fine

[slim dove]

dw, just level, you dont have all your tools yet.

[honest vale]

Or just skip the wolves entirely. 😄

[slim dove]

you have to pull 5 regardless iirc

2 pack and a 3 pack

[wide charm]

pulling 5 at a time is madness imo

your dps will get os

[pallid quiver]

You're absolutely refusing to see my point