protection

[astral crystal]

raz is considerably easier with a smaller raid group for all it's worth

[solar sandal]

might be a silly question but how reliable are stat sims for prot war?

[high drum]

we were doing it with 30 lol

[jagged pier]

in terms of mechanics is actually harder than spider and kurog as well

[stable valve]

think it's worth knocking out mythic council before heroic raz?

[astral crystal]

yeah 30 ppl is a nightmare

[high drum]

mystic council is way easier than raz

[solar sandal]

yes council is ez

[jagged pier]

but the tuning of those make them harders than raz hc

[astral crystal]

our first h raz kill was with 16 i think

[high drum]

mystic council is as easy as hc council

no changes

[stable valve]

In a new want to be 5/8M this tier team, so unsure

still new to the raiding scene

[solar sandal]

i have not a lot of haste gear so decided to just full pivot into crit since stat weights said crit was "better". fine or kinda should just stack haste regardless?

[high drum]

haste #1

crit and vers are both fine but why would u want less haste

[solar sandal]

it's like putting a bandaid on the problem when i gem and enchant for haste

lol

just feels bad idk

[edgy grail]

You just sim your enchants in top gear

[jagged pier]

yer it will give u crit

[wind vigil]

primary stats on prot ?

[modern brook]

stat weights are volatile and as such arent particularly helpful when deciding enchants etc. Its important to do the sim in top gear comparing relevent gems/enchants, as danny said

[cinder storm]

Monk dies 15 times on cos 19, dies on last boss 40% to go, missed timer by 30s, monk still gets whetstone

[modern brook]

owned

[cinder storm]

[sick sentinel]

this is the way

the worse you do, the better loot you get

[cinder storm]

Spin 2 win

[sick sentinel]

yup, and the simpler your attacks are, the more dps it does

[blazing condor]

in the same sense that no good deed goes unpunished

so does bad deeds never go unrewarded

[sick sentinel]

its like going to a game of friday night magic and some shit head kid thats been screaming all night wins a default pack and opens foil mythic and mythic

[fresh belfry]

looking for some input: what specific reasons are there that to always have a BDK tank diurna (in phase one specifically) and not the adds. or maybe to not have the BDK play adds but warrior instead

other than "everyone does it"

[high drum]

on mystic or hc?

[fresh belfry]

mythic ofc

heroic allows for any tank combinations but mythic specifically has 27 out of 27 public logs with a bdk, but the reason for that isnt p1 but p2

[high drum]

is it something to do with the mortal strike?

[uneven ice]

Hi! Why is it mythic+ guides builds on wowhead takes intimidating shout? Fear always looked really troublesome in closed spaces

[high drum]

to interrupt with

it breaks immediately

[drifting needle]

Just another aoe stop, always handy

[uneven ice]

But there is danger to over pull isn’t it?

[high drum]

no they dont move

because it breaks immediately

[uneven ice]

Aaaaaaa

So they don’t run around?

[drifting needle]

I mean by spell effect yes, but the damage “needed” to break it is so small, it would be rare they full send into another pack

[uneven ice]

Ok, now makes more sense to me

Thanks!

[drifting needle]

But when in doubt, just pull em back slightly from another pack if danger of pulling but likely if you’re that close, your back flipping DH would have pulled by now

[oak echo]

just tclap right after sending it and it will almost guarantee to break right away. only time you have strays running off is if they were already too far away to get hit by aoe damage but close enough for the fear

[uneven ice]

One more question: I see mist builds go without intervene. Is it bad?

[uneven ice]

😂😂😂

[drifting needle]

It has its uses but not needed for every dung no.

[modern brook]

intervene doesnt have a lot of use cases where its worth the talent point

[uneven ice]

Good point, thanks

[oak echo]

it just doesn't serve a ton of utility. not a huge amount of targeted mechanics anymore. and intervening like your melee is more often than not going to get them frontaled instead

[drifting needle]

Wolf boi in HoV as an example

[high drum]

good to use on healer in tjs last guy

during adds

[uneven ice]

Oh, ok. Thanks for the quick answers! 👍

[median vortex]

Wowhead tells me Ruby Whelp Shell is the bis trinket for prot warriors

Is this true? seems like such a waste trinket.

[oak echo]

It is not very good

[median vortex]

Wth is it doing on the bis list? 😛

[gritty glen]

Don't use "bis" lists

[median vortex]

Mkay =p

[high drum]

GRIEFTORCH

[gritty glen]

Regarding Ruby Whelp Shell, it's bad because you can't control the proc

[high drum]

grieftorch is so great

not only is it strong but its thematically fantastic

with the name and cdr effect

[limpid anchor]

Especially because you can’t block during it

[sturdy sable]

Yeah we did kill all those babies to get it

[high drum]

grief ur friends for a reset

grief ur team trying to use it

[sturdy sable]

Grief of all those babies being lightning beamed

[limpid anchor]

I had the grieftorch weakaura that whispers people if they die

It got a bit spamy on mythic progress

[high drum]

i need that

[limpid anchor]

And I got so many angry whispers

It was fun :)

[grave flower]

405 crafted weapon or strike twice?

[jagged pier]

[coarse crystal]

Strike twice because then you can have embellishments on other items

[earnest nymph]

does the eye in the storm buff last until combat drop?

I just noticed there's no duration on it

[uncut zephyr]

Can you easily see on wowhead if a spell/ability is blockable?

[lofty widget]

theres a pinned sheet that will tell you

for all dungeons+raid

[uncut zephyr]

sweet

Algethar bird boss fucks man

[toxic gyro]

Yea the bleed is definitely not pleasant

[lime urchin]

just tell your dps to do more dps!

[wide dragon]

Hello Warrior hivemind, question for ya. If you already have decoration of flame, is it worth also using an unstable frostfire belt for the Eranog/Diurna rings?

[lofty widget]

yeah

[autumn tundra]

For keys, do i care about wearing 4 set? Is it big? or should i prio 2stat and stats?

[wide dragon]

4 set feels really good in keys imo

[lofty widget]

you can drop 4p for ilvl, but not for stats

[autumn tundra]

Is recommended?

[fallen pulsar]

Its basically 5% leech, makes damage intake much smoother

[steep condor]

Is it possible for warriors to do the death run in court of stars where the party goes to the beginning and you go round and open the gate? I’ve never done it - anything to know?

[fallen pulsar]

I dont see why not, you probably want to just charge the bridge adds then leap to the gate to make it fast, I think thats all you need to do to open it right? Just reach the area

[obtuse pebble]

Did it yesterday, it's fine. You only need to get to the bridge and the gate will open

[steep condor]

i think that is all - was just wondering what survivability chances are to get that far 🙂

[steep condor]

awesome! thanks

[fallen pulsar]

Theres nothing super dangerous imo

Maybe if you butt pull imps

But nothing else should turbo kill you

Can also probably shield wall for safety

[tropic linden]

Hey @jagged pier why not run ITF when my block is 85%? Or is it only for Tyr when bosses hit harder?

[steep condor]

i'll be attempting it with a pug - fraught with peril 🙂 I've never actually tanked that dungeon and only dps'd it a couple of times. Wondering what the more straightforward traditional route looks like. Maybe i should start iwth that

[fallen pulsar]

CoS is pretty easy tankwise

I see people around me drop way before I ever do

[obtuse pebble]

There is only really one mob (the big one at the start) and once you get out the last door you can pretty much just leap to bridge

[steep condor]

thanks guys 🙂

[jagged pier]

why have 85% when u can have 100%

someone replied to u earlier

[fallen pulsar]

Idk, I never bother doing death run, feel like its just as fast to dps the add up the stairs and have everyone there

[steep condor]

ahhhh ok thanks i will do that maybe. will be a bit more expected for the pug right?

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah

Pugs never expect death skips

Afaik

[fallow osprey]

Sounds like a recipe for disaster

[tropic linden]

Srry, got lost in comments maybe

[lyric geode]

There is a rumor that @sick sentinel reached 110% uptime Shield block.

[fallen pulsar]

I desperately want bitter immunity to cleanse bleeds

Would be so pog

[toxic gyro]

I mean you can, just drop a point somewhere

[fallen pulsar]

It doesnt cleanse bleeds

[limpid anchor]

But it doesn’t cure bleed

Useless talent imo

Except aa

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah I only take it if no poison cleanse in group for tree

[toxic gyro]

No poison cleanse sounds like a troll in aa

[fallen pulsar]

Eh, bitter immunity is good enough imo

[sweet summit]

wat

no

[jagged pier]

eh?

what?

eh?

[limpid anchor]

1 dispell isn’t enough

At least not for me :(

[toxic gyro]

How you deal with 4th germination ?

[fallen pulsar]

I mean I havent done high enough keys for there to be more than 2 add phases lmao

[slender blade]

3 min cooldown, im not chad enough to tank a high tyran with only one dispel the whole fight

[fallen pulsar]

Shield wall and d stance

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t help

When it ticks 150k

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah this answer changes dramatically on higher keys lmao

[toxic gyro]

Youre a thick warrior lol

[limpid anchor]

Yea

[fallen pulsar]

But I havent done AA on anything past a 15 yet

[limpid anchor]

On 20 it didn’t die quickly :(

[slender blade]

your opinion will prolly change

[toxic gyro]

On higher keys you will need dispell period

[fallen pulsar]

Yes agreed

I’m not a madman

[tropic linden]

Be a dwarf

[fallen pulsar]

I just also am not pushing that high

[naive hatch]

what trinkets are we lookin' at being good for us

[limpid anchor]

Can any dps dispell poison? Except sham with the totem

[toxic gyro]

It’s best when you ask your ret friend for dispell and he replies with “oh fuck I forgot to talent it”

[fallen pulsar]

I think poison is just sham, druid, and uhh ret?

I dont remember

[sweet summit]

pala monk evoker

and uhhh

druid

[limpid anchor]

Dps evoker? Good to know

[sweet summit]

no idea

[fallen pulsar]

No idea

[high drum]

yes dps envoker

on like 8 sec cd

[merry scroll]

Anyone still using the assembly ring? I got a heroic emmisary's flamewrought seal the other night and deciding if i should sell or not

[warm plinth]

Do they actually talent it is the question

[tropic linden]

I have 2 green rings, farming assembly ring today

[fallen pulsar]

I still have cobalt ring, havent gotten better ring drops yet

[merry scroll]

Also curious if people just sim gear as tank or if theres a better way to decide since i know theres more to tanking than dps

[fallen pulsar]

Still rock damage cobalt + melandrus

[coral frost]

hello guys! im new to prot warrior and have a question. Do we ever use Rend?

[fallen pulsar]

No

[high drum]

no just tclap

[merry scroll]

blood and thunder

[fallen pulsar]

No whirlwind, no slam

[coral frost]

shield slam and thunderclap

[earnest nymph]

what phial are y'all using in M+ these days? I've been exclusively using eye in the storm but I see some using the vers one and I can't wrap my head around it

[fallen pulsar]

Revenge shield slam and thunderclap is all you need

• execute

[jagged pier]

u use eye

[coral frost]

ok, ty!

[fallen pulsar]

Generally, if things start to hurt, equip tank stuff, if nothing hurts more dps

[merry scroll]

thoughts on all-totem? currently use that and spiteful storm until i get something that does more damage

[tropic linden]

I'm going with this for M+, beside swapping ITF for HR, any other tip?

[jagged pier]

u dont run BSV

[merry scroll]

I tend to avoid bsv

[fallen pulsar]

I prefer the second shield charge talent over bsv

[tropic linden]

But i use Barbaric Training

[jagged pier]

u shouldnt use that ither

[fallen pulsar]

? What do those have to do with eachother

[limpid anchor]

Nando doesn’t know

[fallen pulsar]

Rip

Educate me

[earnest nymph]

why?

[tropic linden]

It makes ravage cost 0 rage when u parry

[high drum]

thunderlord sucks

[tropic linden]

So the 10 more rage is nullified

[jagged pier]

because its doesnt work properly and is actually bad

[jagged pier]

u dont only revenge when u get a free proc

u use revenge alot

[urban portal]

3 ppm

sheesh

[merry scroll]

wish it was easier to get points into bloodborne, i feel like that would add a lot

[urban portal]

bloodborne needs to be a 1 point

its too weak at 2

[jagged pier]

its like 1.5% damage per point in it

its usless

[urban portal]

tho prot warrior is too strong

[earnest nymph]

ohh nvm, I misread and thought you said BrV

my b

[tropic linden]

Should i get what instead?

[urban portal]

so idk

[jagged pier]

as tough of nails if 5% for 1 point

[pallid quiver]

glacial fury also ends up being more damage in ST, as well, while still being decent in AOE if you feel you need an extra bump in boss fights. It's usually either Eye or Glacial for phial

[urban portal]

nothing wrong with vers tho

even dps uses vers

[jagged pier]

bounding stride, pain and gain, titanic throw what ever u want

[urban portal]

but vers is more dps for dps than tanks

[high drum]

so is the mainstat flask

[tropic linden]

I meant in the prot tree

Maybe show of force?

[jagged pier]

battering ram

[fallen pulsar]

also I dont think you're running show of force

[jagged pier]

show of force

[fallen pulsar]

yeah show of force is great

[jagged pier]

wha

[high drum]

remove thunderlord take show of force

[tropic linden]

I'm not, running BSV, know is not optimal, but it's a rlly life saver

[high drum]

remove battle scarred veteran add battering ram

[merry scroll]

Hows this for m+https://i.imgur.com/RVRXIn4.jpeg

[high drum]

remove thunderlord add battering ram

and take spellblock instaed of nails in most dungeons

[pallid quiver]

"most dungeons"

[lofty widget]

nah nails is good

[pallid quiver]

doubt

[high drum]

oh and stormbolt

[cinder storm]

Most dungeons?

[gritty swallow]

Spell block is a hot take

[high drum]

SPELL BLOCK #1

[gritty swallow]

Good in temple

[cinder storm]

It's not a hot take, buts it's goat in three

[tropic linden]

But if I don't take BSC i can't take the AOE taunt

[high drum]

temple, sbg, ruby, azure vaults

[tropic linden]

And improved heroic throw looks garbo

[high drum]

fantastic in all of those

[drifting needle]

3/8 for Spell Block, otherwise I go nails

[high drum]

im sure im forgetting another too

[fallen pulsar]

Spell Block also good in RLP tyrannical imo, makes 1st boss much smoother

[lofty widget]

havent felt the need for spell block in 20s yet, overrated imo

[high drum]

really?

[modern brook]

chimmichad

[gritty swallow]

Only 20 I grabbed spell block for was temple specifically for 3rd boss

[cinder storm]

Why would you take spell block for SBG? Two packs that you can kite

[grave flower]

those jade serpent strikes hurt for sure

[high drum]

first boss too

[drifting needle]

First boss on tyr

[high drum]

his auto attack damage buff is a spell

[gritty swallow]

I feel like otherwise it’s underutilized because I’ve adapted defensives otherwise so I forget I have it

[buoyant narwhal]

Do you all use Pain and Gain? feels like it doesnt do much at all for 1 point

[gritty swallow]

Spell reflect lasts long enough

[high drum]

wrong

[trim hill]

first boss rlp without Spell Block yikes

[high drum]

and in AV you will die last boss without spellblock for the random dragonstrike with reflect down

[merry scroll]

is it really worth dropping thunderlord for battering ram?

[lofty widget]

i swapped it for overwhelming rage

[high drum]

yes 100%

[lofty widget]

the +15 is a really nice buffer

[merry scroll]

aight

[fallen pulsar]

pain and gain is decent, but usually once of the first ones that gets swapped out for other tech choices

[buoyant narwhal]

sweet

[young rivet]

is there a list of where to use spell block for M+?

[trim hill]

why would you take overwhelming rage just hit IP its off the gcd

[gritty swallow]

Pins

[fallen pulsar]

yeah overwhelming in m+ feels kinda meh

[lofty widget]

cause i spent all of SL playing that mini game, overwhelming lets me slow down a bit

not like it matters

i'd swap it for a dps talent but theres nothing else to take

[fallen pulsar]

main things I swap in m+ are taking double shield wall for tank buster heavy dungeons, like RLP boss 2, TJS boss 3, and AA Bird

spell block in TJS

[tropic linden]

If I remove BSC, I need to get improved heroic throw to go down that tree, shouldn't i stick with BSC?

[cinder storm]

Faster leap is good to for AV last boss

[jagged pier]

no

BSV

not BSC

[fallen pulsar]

I usually tech intervene for AV over like pain and gain

and use an ally to dodge balls

[tropic linden]

Oh, got all wrong

think i'll stick with BSV until I get more confidence. Already saved me from death more than 1 time

[trim hill]

thunderlord assuming you take booming voice give you a 20% dr and 20% damage boost basically twice as often

[high drum]

no

it sucks

[slender blade]

nobody in this discord has to play your talent build if you like BSV take it, I do and I am happy I do

[high drum]

thunderlord means ur devo no longer lines up with battering ram/avatar

[fallen pulsar]

plenty of people do take BSV, it however can be buggy.

[jagged pier]

no they fixed the bug

its still bad tho

[fallen pulsar]

for real this time?

[strong forum]

It's still buggy

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao

[strong forum]

Just not as buggy

[jagged pier]

lots of time u dip below 30% and u dont need it and it will proc

then when u do need it

its gone

[strong forum]

It doesn't proc at 100% hp anymore

But it does proc at 50-80% still

[astral crystal]

it has randomly procced during prog for me as well

at about half health yeah

it's weird

[jagged pier]

well there u go

pretty garbage then

[strong forum]

Yeah it's pretty terrible

[jagged pier]

also it being untrackble without a WA

is horrendous

[trim hill]

idk what this means I have demo up for every avatar and i take thunderlord

how can it not line up if the demo cd is lower than avatar

[high drum]

avatar cd usually winds up being around 45 sec

[atomic inlet]

hey guys whats ur strategy for mitigating damage from ruby second boss

[grave flower]

dont out range it

[modern brook]

Because ur holding a cd you're reducing so you're not actually doing anything with the talent

[high drum]

so if ur using TL to decrease demo cd, its not gonna line up

[jagged pier]

its 300 yards

u cant

[modern brook]

If only we had leaper 😦

[atomic inlet]

talking to me?

[fallen pulsar]

what if I jump down the hole 🤔

[strong forum]

Killing yourself ingame is the best way to avoid mechanics

[fallen pulsar]

ezpz

[lucid cloak]

cant hit me if im dead 🙂

[high drum]

cant fall any further

[strong forum]

Exactly

Hp can't be reduced either

Insane lifehack

[atomic inlet]

guys whats ur strategy for mitigating damage from ruby second boss ? i always get crushed even thouge im using shield block and full ignore pain

[high drum]

2 walls

[jagged pier]

but as its been said

its procs at 80-30% range

so how is that a cheat death?

[atomic inlet]

at least i got a reply

😄

[earnest nymph]

run double wall, have a healer with an external that you can rotate in, or evokers can clear the bleed from you every minute I think

and pray

[jagged pier]

spell reflect does nothing on that boss

🤔

[earnest nymph]

^^

[jagged pier]

its physical damage

[earnest nymph]

spell block doesn't work either

[gritty swallow]

Press it to feel good

[toxic gyro]

What you mean, you just reflect that bleed

[atomic inlet]

what u mean double wall?

[jagged pier]

imma tell

u

[earnest nymph]

the talent

[jagged pier]

guys the secret strat

[toxic gyro]

There’s a double wall talent

[jagged pier]

run crit

u can parry stacks

[earnest nymph]

oh god

[raw meadow]

the add still does fire damage no? with spell reflect you consume less IP

[alpine night]

since evo can, probably dwarf too yes

[gritty swallow]

Crit gang

[jagged pier]

unless they changed it like the bird i guess

[toxic gyro]

Didn’t they hotfix that ?

[earnest nymph]

here we go with the crit/haste thing again D:

[safe moon]

😄

[jagged pier]

i mean crit is our best defensive stat in m+ technically speaking

🤷

[grave flower]

just be darkiron dwarf

[atomic inlet]

where is it i cant find

[grave flower]

I guess any dward

[grave flower]

but why be a reg dwarf you know?

[toxic gyro]

Next to anger management, to the right

[atomic inlet]

got it

ty

[jagged pier]

so your taking BRV which is amazing

you dont like block for some reason

[torpid cloak]

got loot questions boys

which one to take

[olive steeple]

I’d take trinket

[torpid cloak]

both best in slot

[tropic linden]

Sooo... Show of Force or Battering Ram?

[earnest nymph]

ehh bracers are over 100 more str than the trinket

hands, rather

[torpid cloak]

thats the debate

hands do have a rarer drop chance

[buoyant narwhal]

Anything you guys would change using this as a base, and changing a few things based on the dungeon like Tough as nails to spell block, double wall at times etc?

[olive steeple]

I think your current trinkets aren’t great. But yes you’ll eventually get the trinket from first boss anyway

[jagged pier]

u need to get rid of barbaric tuning

[buoyant narwhal]

oh yeah, i always have stormbolt instead

[olive steeple]

Where are you getting 100 strength difference from?

[buoyant narwhal]

not sure why i have it lol, thx

[earnest nymph]

I misread it is where

I'm wrong

😄

[torpid cloak]

its +22 str vs +40

[earnest nymph]

yep

ignore me

[torpid cloak]

but could the trinket damage make up

[buoyant narwhal]

Looks okay with the switch to stormbolt instead of Barb training?

[olive steeple]

Yes trinket is fantastic

[jade radish]

Has anyone had any issues with sims showing a much higher average damage per hit of abilities than they see in the actual game? sims showing me with 30k+ average shield slams and my dungeon averages are closer to 22k

[olive steeple]

The on use is great offensively and defensively

[torpid cloak]

thanks for the help

[earnest nymph]

also I like thunderlord when running booming voice, imo

[jagged pier]

why would u take a trinket that drops for the first boss of the raid

before uve run the raid?

like u can ever pug eggnogg hc

and its better than that one

[torpid cloak]

cause im swapping out ruby trinket

[rare kraken]

I love prot warrior

spell reflect is my passion

[proud dock]

403ilvl, at wat lvl key wud u "sit in dstance" cuz everything hurts?

i know u not posed to sit in dstance

[rare kraken]

none?

[astral crystal]

what is going on with that dmg breakdown

[jade radish]

none

[earnest nymph]

it's still entirely situational

[rare kraken]

Prot warrior should be able to take everything

[candid reef]

Hey guys, any tips for talents for 3rd boss in temple of jade? Always struggling there

[proud dock]

god dammit, i gotta be less scared then

[rare kraken]

I can't think of a trash pull where I have to actively kite it

Prot has a button for every problem

[rare kraken]

wym

[high drum]

last pull tjs

[earnest nymph]

there are times where you'll want to stance dance but there's no reason to perma sit in dstance

[rare kraken]

spell block

[high drum]

runs out

[rare kraken]

Not quickly enough

[astral crystal]

ya i just have MD and run

[high drum]

same with pull b4 first boss sbg

[strong forum]

You're not using outburst often enough on shield slam then

[rare kraken]

Shield wall + spell reflect + spell block makes it a breeze

[high drum]

dont forget shockwave

[rare kraken]

Usually both dark claws go off at the same time so your spell reflect has double value

[strong forum]

And crit rng also plays a role geum

[limpid anchor]

Idk im still getting chunked on tyr on that pack

[high drum]

but it still runs out

[rare kraken]

yeah shockwave to stop dark claws you can't mitigate

[earnest nymph]

I'm beginning to think there's a conspiracy though where I won't get a shield slam reset until after I use outburst on a thunderclap 😢

[tropic linden]

Where is this?

[rare kraken]

Last boss nokhud

You can reflect conducive strike, gives him the debuff

Insane dot damage, especially on tyrannical

[astral crystal]

did your dps die or something?

how'd they manage sub 30k

[rare kraken]

Nah they were just very mid

It was only a 10

[rare kraken]

nah is ez

[high drum]

what does mid mean

[rare kraken]

just have to cycle cooldowns and watch the dark claws

Basically stare at the minions of doubt

you don't have to use your defensive cds until they start casting it

[high drum]

and are you telling him its easy after posting a 27k single target dps details with 25% of it being reflect

[astral crystal]

fear shas also have piercing gaze

[rare kraken]

They're the only tankbusters

[astral crystal]

which also trucks

that's also a tankbuster

[earnest nymph]

does bumping bug reports on the forum help anything?

[rare kraken]

Not as hard as dark claw does

[rare kraken]

mundane

[rare kraken]

I mean it is easy

I tanked a 15 this week and had no issues with the pack

[high drum]

damn ur strong

[rare kraken]

Spell reflect solves that pack very well

If you can do it while they're enraged

[proud dock]

does sidearm target something CC'd? liek for last boss NO, wud it proc on a nearby CC'd add?

[tropic linden]

R u guys picking Battering Ram or SoF?

[rare kraken]

chefs kiss

[alpine night]

yes

[astral crystal]

timed a 20 TJS yesterday and i kited, granted i didn't even think to take spell block

would've made it much easier

[proud dock]

f

[rare kraken]

I think my spell reflect record on that pack is uh

280k from one hit?

[trim hill]

15 tyrannical trash dies in like 5 secs which is why you don’t care. Once the pack survives your CDs it’s difficult and you will need to coordinate stops or kite

[rare kraken]

That was an enraged dark claw I think

[rare kraken]

Spell block nullifies so many mechanics and trash packs its insane

Should really be taken but I see so many prot warriors take tough as nails which is :\

And then they complain about prot being squishy to magic damage xDD

[astral crystal]

thing is i dont really feel squishy

[high drum]

ur also saying u dont need to kite in tjs last pack

[astral crystal]

so i dont feel forced to take it

[high drum]

but ur experience is a 15

u need to kite it trust me

[rare kraken]

Because I never have

[gritty swallow]

Idk ran a 20 and just took it to the face like a champ

[rare kraken]

I usually do above what people would consider acceptable for my ilvl

[gritty swallow]

Just rotate defensives

[rare kraken]

yep

[gritty swallow]

Stun when spell reflect down

[high drum]

i did a 20 fort last week

[cinder storm]

You can SR then SW then spell block last mob % when they enrage

[high drum]

and u absolutely do not have enough defensives

[rare kraken]

If you don't have defensives, you have cc

[high drum]

u gotta leap away at some point

[gritty swallow]

🤷

[cinder storm]

I mostly move only to grab adds that spawn when people run like headless chickens

[rare kraken]

They don't recast when you stun them

Which means the timer will reset and you'll have spell reflect by the next dark claw

[gritty swallow]

Exactly

[earnest nymph]

it just depends on what is up, what you're comfortable with, and how much dam your group is doing. like there are several ways to tackle that pack

this doesn't need to be a fight

[gritty swallow]

But also this I was running with a group doing good damage so I felt safe standing in one spot so they could dps

[limpid anchor]

Mate a 15 is different than a 20

And we are prob around the same gear, they do chunk and they do outlive your spell block when dps isn’t that good

[astral crystal]

ya ultimately group dmg is what makes the difference in those deadly packs

[rare kraken]

I don't have this experience xD

I don't pug

[limpid anchor]

Saying no need to kite is just wrong

[rare kraken]

So my group does great damage and is constantly dropping cc

[limpid anchor]

What’s your ilvl

[high drum]

#protection message

[rare kraken]

396 now

[limpid anchor]

27k dps

Aya

[rare kraken]

what should it be then

[tropic tangle]

you're also doing 15? like, trying to compare a 15 to a 20 is silly in terms of damage from the mobs and how long they live even with good DPS

[rare kraken]

fine I'll do a 20 next week and compare

if I don't have to kite because I rotate my defensives and cc the mobs then yall are trolling me

[high drum]

why would people troll

you can just go watch anyone do that key on high level

on fort or whatever

you'll see them kite

when cds run out

[rare kraken]

link for a high Jade?

[high drum]

i don't have a dossier im afraid

[rare kraken]

lol ok

[earnest nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLRhKa-rWg&t=257s

[rare kraken]

ty

[gritty swallow]

Nerftank streamed a 23 the other day

[tropic tangle]

https://raider.io/characters/us/barthilas/Varun

[earnest nymph]

btw no kiting on that 21

[tropic tangle]

this you? because you didn't time that 15

[mild river]

Hey there! I have a doubt: The trinket "Ruby Whelp Shell" is good for tanks?

[rare kraken]

he didn't kite

[high drum]

dont think i'd kite either if i had 3 dps doing 200k avg

[earnest nymph]

that's what I just said, and is also consistent with what I've been saying

[high drum]

mobs will die before spellblock expires

[earnest nymph]

there are several options for dealing with that pack

[jade radish]

seems like thats still quite a gap. VO procs after 280 rage, i generated 1.5k rage in a 2.5 min fight in that details segment (ST boss) that'd only be 5 VOs or so out of 44 SS casts, VO is 200% extra dam, basically add dam for 10 more SS, even assuming i used 0 VOs on SS that fight, that would bring my average to 27k compared to raidbots 32k average

[earnest nymph]

and they're all situational

[rare kraken]

I mean I heard "you'll see them kite" and I didn't see them kite

Show me a pull where they have to kite the pack

[earnest nymph]

it's always going to be situational

like holy moly

[rare kraken]

yeah bc my balance druid died on every boss and barely did more dps than me xD

[jade radish]

Even things like melees say they are doing literally double the dam i see on live vs the sims

[rare kraken]

The "situation" I'm hearing is that if the group doesn't dps/cc enough then you have to kite?

[earnest nymph]

if group dam sucks and you're not running spell block, you might have to kite depending on key level. if group dam is pumping, and you're running spell block, maybe you don't have to kite

[high drum]

if the mobs arent dead and ur cds arent' up, you have to kite on some packs

[earnest nymph]

if you're running a 10 and you're comfortable with your class, you probably don't have to kite

[high drum]

if you dont believe this, then whatever

[rare kraken]

I think yall are talking about situations I haven't encountered yet

[earnest nymph]

sure

[rare kraken]

so I guess I'll just keep rocking it

[earnest nymph]

that's possible

[rare kraken]

until I encounter otherwise

[earnest nymph]

everyone who is saying there is only one option to deal with that pack though is out of touch imo

[rare kraken]

There isn't only one option to deal with that pack, as with most things there are a variety of approaches

but I'm suspicious of people who say the pack trucks and they're forced to kite because prot has the toolkit to handle it no stress

[tropic tangle]

again, 15 vs 20.

[earnest nymph]

the pack does objectively truck. but if you're equipped to handle it then maybe you can facetank it

there are like, idk, 10 different factors that determine it, including key level

[rare kraken]

Doesn't everything truck if you're not equipped to handle it

[high drum]

bro the highest fort key you have done in any dungeon is 13, relax

understand that there might be things you don't know

[rare kraken]

lol ok

[cinder storm]

On a 15 with your gear you have time to drool on the keyboard before you experience any spikes, on a higher key you have to be on point with your cds

[rare kraken]

Again I'll check back next week

[high drum]

why? noone cares

just take the advice or don't

[rare kraken]

What "advice"

Your "advice" is that I don't know any better

[high drum]

if the mobs arent dead and ur cds arent' up, you have to kite on some packs

#protection message

[earnest nymph]

no, that pack has several mobs that all have tankbusters. Compared to say, the lashers in AA, that pack objectively trucks. there is more outgoing damage on you in one pack versus the other

[atomic inlet]

daymn guys

thanks for the tip

fianly did ruby 18

[high drum]

pog

[atomic inlet]

double shield wall worked like a charm

[cinder storm]

EZ clap

[serene fox]

Hey prot warriors! I play resto and my friends a prot warrior. Wondered if anyone could give me some tips on ruby life pools, the 2nd boss searing wounds debuff just absolutely melts my friend... If I don't have iron bark on him or he's not got any shield walls he gets deleted. Running it on 16 and 17s this week anyone got some tips? Thank you x

[earnest nymph]

run double wall

rotate bark in with wall charges

be prepared to bomb him with heals when those three run out

[serene fox]

I think that is what we have been doing unless we just out of sync he still seems to get slapped

[earnest nymph]

you can do something like bark --> wall 1 --> wall 2 --> demo shout + last stand --> bark again

[cinder storm]

1- SW first
2- Healer external + demo
3- SW second
4- Last stand + heal pot

[serene fox]

Is there a trick to face tanking or best to leap away?

[high drum]

make sure he's not turning his back when hes running away

when the add spawns

or dies*

[cinder storm]

sometimes the boss casts tank frontal during inferno and its....quite pain inducing

[serene fox]

Oki thank guy. Not gonna lie we do have a meme going with his back turning sometimes ROFL might be that

[atomic inlet]

whats bark?

[earnest nymph]

if you use bark first it may be up again for the 4th cast

[cinder storm]

druid ext

[earnest nymph]

^^

we used a similar approach in a 19 TJS on third boss yesterday

[cinder storm]

I thought bark was 1m

[earnest nymph]

jade serpent strike fucks

[serene fox]

Man I was gonna ask that secondly hahaha

But I'll just take what you said with timing cds

[earnest nymph]

I think it depends on if they take the talent no?

[atomic inlet]

i just did 18 and the only thing that helped was
2 shield walls
and dwarfed the third stack

[rare kraken]

same deal with the double wall but you can also run spell block to mitigate a portion of one of the jade serpent strikes

[atomic inlet]

didnt even sweat

[true vortex]

Tell him he can strafe away as well just don't straight up run

[cinder storm]

Havent run with druid for a while, my heal is disc

[serene fox]

Might make him go dwarf.

[cinder storm]

Nah no need

[rare kraken]

Overkill

[cinder storm]

Unless you are doing the highest keys 22s+ you dont need race change

[rare kraken]

Dwarf bleed helps but you don't need to race change to deal with that boss

[cinder storm]

You need to press your buttons better thats all

[serene fox]

Feels like a 20 sometimes

[atomic inlet]

btw thids is really cool idk why people dont use this

[serene fox]

Oki 😂. Cheers guys thanks for the tips

[cinder storm]

@serene fox https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1061910934391640124/image.png

for temple, that's plka

[drifting needle]

Also worth banking his impending victory for both RLP #2 and TJS #3. Helps nicely to top/get outta absorb

[atomic inlet]

i didnt let any cast goin to my party

[high drum]

really good on diurna platforms

[serene fox]

Good shout !!

[atomic inlet]

yea i first used it there

[serene fox]

Thanks

[earnest nymph]

for which boss?

[cinder storm]

temple, third boss

[atomic inlet]

if ur freind is a dwarf

[drifting needle]

Least for RLP he’ll have it up each bleed, did a nice chunk of healing for me

[earnest nymph]

reflect doesn't work on JSS

[atomic inlet]

he can dwarf out 1 without a sweat

[cinder storm]

it mitigates dmg

20%

[earnest nymph]

oh true

[toxic pewter]

anyone else lagging badly and cant load into instances etc (NA)

[earnest nymph]

forgive me, is fire dam magic dam?

[toxic pewter]

yes

[earnest nymph]

or are those two separate things

kk

[cinder storm]

for temple 2nd boss make sure as a healer you keep superiority stacks, wild growth goes brrr

[toxic pewter]

all fire damage is magic but not all magic damage is fire

[cinder storm]

words to live by

[serene fox]

Man I love that 2nd boss, verdancy is insane btw

[modern brook]

all non physical damage is magic damage

[drifting needle]

So satisfying to just see everyone so healthy with the heal popping off at 20+ stacks ha

[toxic pewter]

is that common knowledge among pug healers yet or what? I have yet to see any of my healers grab that buff

[earnest nymph]

but what about fall damage?

[toxic pewter]

I guess should i be running it onto my healer?

like grabbing it off a dps and then bring to healer

[modern brook]

does it matter

[earnest nymph]

(was a joke)

[cinder storm]

First time we did it I told my healer I wasnt losing the debuff thing and melees wouldnt stand with me, she stood with me, took it like a champ and was popping 90k casually

[toxic pewter]

Ok thats good I will do that myself next time

[modern brook]

no jokes in prot chat 😠

[cinder storm]

can't talk about brewmasters then

[earnest nymph]

or taking certain stat gems

[drifting needle]

Erm probably not, but it’s in the journal but in practise pugs tend to full send ha

[strong forum]

First of all it's 240 rage, 2nd of all 1.5k rage in 2.5min is pretty low

@jade radish

[jade radish]

sure. im still learning prot but like why would melee be twice as much dam on a sim?

no wf or external buffs in that sim either

[strong forum]

Idk chief it lines up with my dmg pretty much on point

[modern brook]

sounds like you were out of attack range for 50% of the fight

[jade radish]

uptime wouldnt change dam per hit though

its not dps. its damage

[tulip harness]

What phial do we use for m+?

[strong forum]

Did you sim 2.5min, only battle shout, no Lust, no WF totem, no food buffs, no monk buff

[modern brook]

i mean

[strong forum]

And without phial

[modern brook]

Gota sim and a log?

[jade radish]

sim was 5min only battle shout but i can run another

[strong forum]

Glacial fury or vers flask are the highest dmg ones

[strong forum]

Why are you comparing 2.5min to 5min

Obv your results will be different

[round cliff]

how do i handle the orbs on crystal dragon? even when i don't move until they're right on top of me, as soon as i start moving i slow down so much they catch up

[jade radish]

because fight length doesnt affect how hard a melee hits

[strong forum]

Again, are you fully emulating your environment

Properly

Without any buffs you don't have when you test the dummy

[alpine night]

track your debuff and move every 3sec, when it fades

[tulip harness]

ty

[strong forum]

If you go in full raid buffed, and dont press shield charge on CD, yeah your melee dmg will be wildly different

[round cliff]

move how much? move when?

[strong forum]

Leap is your biggest friend on that boss

And potentially charging to fractures away from boss

[alpine night]

when ever some orbs are getting nearer to boss and as much as you reasonably can, i'd save leap for emergencies

[inland raft]

vault worth opening in prot for chance at 421 shield over 418 crafted shield or as arms for chance at trinkets like whetstone?

[round cliff]

they just catch up to me after leaping i feel like

[strong forum]

I wouldn't try to bank on luck to get a whetstone from vault

[modern brook]

421 shield is most important slot

which is better will vary based on your equipment

but as a rule I would open in prot until you have a shield

then fury until you have a weapon

[cinder storm]

Anyone got a "change your key" reminder wa?

[round cliff]

are u saying i should craft a shield to replace my 369 blue

[modern brook]

i mean

i can say that if you'd like

[round cliff]

ive been sitting on 2 sparks forever now

idk what to do with em

[strong forum]

Weapon+shield

[round cliff]

i have a lariat already

[strong forum]

Are the most important slots to get high ilvl on asap

[modern brook]

yeah weapon and shield

dont even need to be embelished

[uncut notch]

Yo is there a new SR sheet? I remember something about the one in pins being out of date?

[strong forum]

Pins

[round cliff]

should i use the 395 haste neck instead? then use crafted wep and shield

[modern brook]

crafted items arent limited

[strong forum]

You can craft non-embellished items

[modern brook]

embelishments are

[round cliff]

bro what

blowing my mind rn

[cinder storm]

food buffs doesnt counts tho

[strong forum]

You can wear 10 crafted items for what it's worth

[round cliff]

well a 1hander and a shield are still 2 sparks each no?

[strong forum]

It's just embellished items that are limited

No they've never been fruity

[modern brook]

Its literally cheaper to just eat another feast than pay for the food buff lasts embelsihment

[cinder storm]

it is

[strong forum]

They're 1 spark

[round cliff]

bruh.

ok

[strong forum]

Only 2handers are 2 sparks

[round cliff]

fury brain ig

is anyone here a blacksmith i can commission xd

[full monolith]

I can craft shields on EU-Blackhand if you happen to be there 😄

[round cliff]

US 😔

[gritty glen]

I can craft guaranteed Q4 shields on US-The Underbog

[round cliff]

i thought crafting was cross server

huh

[gritty glen]

I think has to be a connected realm

[round cliff]

ah

im on a52

[mighty valley]

if they're in your trade chat, you can make an order for them

[strong forum]

Works Cross-faction too

But has to be connected Realm

[round cliff]

is a52 even connected to any realms

[gritty glen]

Try to send a personal order to Lilnachox-The Underbog. If it let's you then I'll craft it for you.

[round cliff]

no dice

[jade radish]

As far as im aware, nothing buffs auto attack damage in our talent tree, just attack speed. Heres a 2min sim showing an average melee of 8833 damage. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5exiRPj7nhZPvorgniaWcU I just sat on a dummy, with no buffs other than battle shout, and hit the dummy for 2 minutes, average 4077 dam, dummy test was using avatar/demo/blood fury/etc. full dam cds same as sim would

battering ram does actually affect dam but im not playing that in either

[high drum]

u should take battering ram its powerful

[jade radish]

kinda not the point here

but sure

[strong forum]

If you're not using any buttons

[modern brook]

how much is your devestator doing

[high drum]

is sim merging devestator into melee?

[modern brook]

yes

[jade radish]

Devestator averaging 2.8k in my dummy test.

[jade radish]

so much closer but still not quite there

[jade radish]

8.8k vs 6.8k

[strong forum]

4807 average hit

9610 average crit

5.8k overall average of melee hit

[weary python]

Switching faction later today to horde for the first time in a very long time. For us, the meta pick is tauren for this raid tier, right?

[strong forum]

Tauren is always meta for horde raid

Cuz stamina and 2% crit dmg

But racials are insanely irrelevant

Especially for raid

That's like a 0.01% optimisation

[jade radish]

Where is this from? my details is showing 4077 average (3300 hit, 6800 crit)

[strong forum]

This is literally from your sim

[wanton shale]

the Fury guys were just talking about crafted revive bracers - engi socket but don't need to be engi to use. Since prot is often the last to die in a M+, these bracers would be pretty good for us too?

[strong forum]

The detailed HTML breakdown

[strong forum]

Waste of a spark, the engi CR has a 50% fail rate

[wanton shale]

ahh that's pretty rough 50/50 play

[strong forum]

People have failed it as often ad 4/4

[rare kraken]

disgusting

[strong forum]

Back to back

as engi

[rare kraken]

I wonder what the fail rate goes down to after the advancements

[strong forum]

With maxed out chance on res

[strong forum]

35%

[jade radish]

so thats without devastator then, still higher than what im seeing. Im lost

[rare kraken]

Not much better lmao

[strong forum]

m8

This is with perfect play

[modern brook]

fuck that its with procs

[strong forum]

Melee average goes up with demo and avatar uptime

[modern brook]

sophic

[strong forum]

If you only afk auto attack

[jade radish]

20% more?

[strong forum]

Yes.

You have 60% uptime on avatar

[weary python]

I thought war stomp was a very nice pickup for raszageth

[strong forum]

Then 15% uptime on Demo shout

Then get some crits, some procs

And boom

[strong forum]

^

[modern brook]

+-8k dps over 22k iterations

[somber shell]

In TJS, can you dodge the serpent kick by running out of the circle?

[strong forum]

1 dummy test can't compete with 22000

[modern brook]

one 2 minute dummy hit will not mirror it perfectly

[sick sentinel]

If I have enough rage is there any downside to using 2 charges of shield block at the same time?

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

No

[somber shell]

So is it just the fist that does the big hit + heal absorb?

[strong forum]

Yes

[somber shell]

ok

[modern brook]

the huge disaprity you're seeing @jade radish is because devestator is baked into melee hits in the damage breakdown on the sumamry page

[somber shell]

Does the fist have a magic omponent? eg does reflect help mitigate?

[modern brook]

the rest is just bad rng

[rare kraken]

yes

[strong forum]

Yes, the entire cast is magic

[jade radish]

thanks for the help here yall. makes more sense

[rare kraken]

reflect will reduce by 20%, spell block will outright block the damage

[strong forum]

You'll still end up with the dot

[rare kraken]

yeah but the initial hit is reduced

[strong forum]

Which your healer has to outheal

[rare kraken]

You can't stop the dot

Does ignore pain contribute to reducing the heal cap or does it not count because it's a shield

[strong forum]

It helps with the dot, not with the absorb

[rare kraken]

gotcha

[modern brook]

technically Indom will help with the absorb

[strong forum]

Indom will, but IP wont

[rare kraken]

I spam IP during it anyway to reduce the dot but was always curious if it actually contributed to reducing the healing absorb or not

[modern brook]

through indom yeah, probably not notably compared to the work your healers doing

[rare kraken]

definitely not compared to my healer haha

he clocked a new dungeon healing record on temple the other day

it was like 82k on second boss

[strong forum]

The higher you go the more absurd the hps requirement becomes

[rare kraken]

yeah the damage taken on that fight seems obscene

[strong forum]

Highest I've seen was 240k hps on that boss

[rare kraken]

holy shit

Was that from a resto druid?

[modern brook]

BDK 😎 <-- bad joke <-- nevermind bdk is that dumb

[strong forum]

And 2mil hps if you include overhealing

Yeah the largest deathstrike I've seen on that boss was 2.5mil with 1 single cast

[rare kraken]

holy shit wtf

I didn't realise the damage taken for bdk was that high on that boss

[strong forum]

It's because of the debuff

[mighty valley]

i missed this but can confirm that the bres wrists are pretty awful, i assumed they'd be like last seasons'

[rare kraken]

yep

[strong forum]

Its a 25% healing increase that stacks every 5 seconds

[drifting needle]

Yeh even in my 21 a resto druid finished at 190k hps. Spicy

[rare kraken]

Garbage compared to SL and BFA

[rare kraken]

ahh

[mighty valley]

i mean, it's like... ok to have an absolute last resort now that i have it, but if i'd known i'd never have crafted them

[rare kraken]

yeah I didn't pay attention to what the buff/debuff actually did

[strong forum]

Very few people do

Just slap that debuff on your healer

[modern brook]

IDK how i get it tbh

[rare kraken]

I mean you don't really play around it though

[strong forum]

And the boss is free

[strong forum]

Touch

[lavish oracle]

At a certain key level, if your healer doesn't have the buff you just evaporate

[strong forum]

You pass it by touching

[rare kraken]

Imma go read what the boss actually does

[drifting needle]

Even worse when someone snipes the buff off him and he has - healing 😂

[strong forum]

The dmg part of it doesn't stack

Only the healing does

So you just dump it on healer if you want the boss killed

[rare kraken]

ahh

I knew it did increased damage but not increased healing

wowhead doesn't say the buff stacks either

[weary python]

@strong forum I thought war stomp was sought after for raszageth. Not needed but it is a good pickup

[urban portal]

idk man

HOF guils are forcing their guys to reroll

[rancid wolf]

hey, 385 Granyth's Enduring Scale or 389 Rumbling Ruby to pair with 402 Horn of Valor?

[urban portal]

well race change to raz

that or belf

[strong forum]

Ruby + horn

[rancid wolf]

ty

[modern brook]

love my rumbler tbh

thing omega owns

[heady jetty]

Is it tankbased, or how do we slap it onto our healer?

[mighty crest]

sorry which debuff is this?

[drifting needle]

Touch him

[heady jetty]

Right so stack with him xD

[modern brook]

2nd boss TJS

[heady jetty]

sounds simple

[drifting needle]

But no jokes just run over him/her

[rare kraken]

Feeling of Superiority

[quiet monolith]

can i add or replace an embellishment with a recraft?

[mighty crest]

awesome thanks.

[quiet monolith]

going to craft a shield but lariat counts as embell right?

[blazing condor]

touch the boss?

[quiet monolith]

and i want the slot open for a frostfire belt

[blazing condor]

or someone gets it and keeps

until touched

[drifting needle]

Can recraft sans embellishment but can also just craft a shield without one too

Lariat of course slightly different but a shield/wep for example can add/drop

[quiet monolith]

ok so

if i only have 1 embell right now

it doesn't hurt to just throw an embell on the shield

i can always remove later without crashing ilvl

[drifting needle]

Indeed

Unless it’s the specifically embellished shield? What’s it called the versa one

[mighty valley]

yeah don't make shield of the hearth

[round cliff]

is it better to have an embellishment on shield or embellishment on wep to go with my lariat?

[mighty valley]

the embellishments are all so close it doesn't really matter

in that case just sim it i guess

[high drum]

larry is the only one that is significantly better than the others

[round cliff]

if it's so close ill just do shield cuz im crafting it rn

[neat gyro]

what are people crafting with the 3rd and 4th spark. I have 418 lariat and 418 frostfire, We clear mythic Earnog/Council every week so I dont feel like shield/weapon get much value, as I can valor upgrade my strike twice. Do I just make a 418 ring to replace my 389 shield ring from that week 1 rep?

[mighty valley]

yeah, just plug low ilvl slots

[high drum]

ring is nice because it always has socket

[mighty valley]

although the damage ring from cobalt is still pretty great

[neat gyro]

how good is the ring anyway? I am currently using it over a 402 mastery crit ring with a socket, and have earnogs ring in my other slot

the shield ring*

[sick sentinel]

How do y’all deal with tanking the last boss of Azure vaults? In a +9 last night I wiped on it twice last night and killed the key before we finally got it, my strat was just to stay still and tank the boss unless I absolutely had to move, but it felt shaky at best, and there were times that I felt I couldn’t get away from the orbs at all. It felt like we had no shot without lust. Also a couple times I basically heroic leaped across the boss to save myself from balls of fury

[mighty valley]

uncontrollable shields are kinda whatever imo

[weak snow]

i finally swapped off my colbolt assembly ring (scholar's loop i think?) for a 408 Seal of Diurna

[fast knot]

Not having thundering in AV is going to hurt a lot on that boss

[livid aurora]

Spellshield the dragon strike, save heroic leap to get away from the orbs on the floor and tank the boss on the side of the room (against the wall)

[fast knot]

Since you heal so often balls are going to gravitate your way

[livid aurora]

It might not even be in the next rotation on m+ though

[cinder storm]

AV won't be next season

[mighty valley]

they said +9

so no thundering

[sick sentinel]

Excuse my ignorance - what do you mean by spell shield

[livid aurora]

We'll have bracken and infusion to worry about next season

[mighty valley]

think they meant spell reflect

[fast knot]

You just have to be more proactive on movement and having healer dispel in that case when you need to move

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit you can reflect the dragon strike?

[livid aurora]

That one

[mighty valley]

yep - check the spell reflect list in pins, commit to heart

[livid aurora]

Yes, and you neutralize the knockback

[sick sentinel]

Correct on this 3 affixes no seasonal one

[livid aurora]

Do note that you can't reflect each one as the timer doesn't allow it

[sick sentinel]

+9 is also the highest key I’ve done so far so that might have something to do with it

[round cliff]

is it bad?

[mighty valley]

it's just a fixed embellishment

[fast knot]

Comes down to managing leap/intervene and having healer dispel you if you're in a bad spot and need to move then

[mighty valley]

so you can't remove it later like you can with armor spikes on molten defender

[round cliff]

gotcha

ill do armor spikes defender then

and i do haste/vers right

[mighty valley]

i'm a haste/crit enjoyer but do what you feel

[round cliff]

i feel what others tell me to do

i dont think i need the vers, ur right

[sick sentinel]

Oooh I didn’t even think to intervene, good call out there too

[weak snow]

You can always ask for a dispel from your healer if possible

[sick sentinel]

Healer was pretty on point with dispels which is why I felt like such a failure wiping

[rain topaz]

Is there a trick to vicious peck(bird on Algethar academy)? Currently at 394-395 ilvl and i feel like its hurting unreasonably much, can you backstep it maybe?

14-15m+

[granite nest]

Communicate with your healer when you have a DR for it, or when you'll need an external

[wide charm]

you can't dodge the hit anymore

but you can kite him endlessly and he won't do his TB

but will still scream

but your dps will hate you and someone will likely die in the process

[rain topaz]

Ohh ok, ill have to weigh if its possible to outlive based on the key im playing, maybe be alittle mean and kite it then worst case scenario 😄

Thanks!

[sleek current]

Raid is asking me to pick up disrupting shout for Dathea, any got any ideas what I can drop for it?

[slim dove]

Thunderlord

[wide charm]

^

[sleek current]

Cheers

[slim dove]

Drop it anyways for battering ram

And swap show of force for sudden death (imo)

[wanton shale]

crit is our biggest +dmg stat and has a little defensive value cuz it gives parry right?

[sterile bough]

parry is good stat

[strong forum]

I play this on dathea

[sterile bough]

its just it doesnt work against most mechanics

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVURURFVYRVQDURA

[wanton shale]

i'm trying to go haste/crit too just cuz it seems more fun, will see when it gets me in too much trouble

[sleek current]

Thank you, I'll give it a go.

[strong forum]

With this you get all the cc you need and close to Max St dmg output

[strong forum]

And wildstrikes uptime

Which means more SS, which means more rage gen and thus more everything

[urban portal]

yeah

the conversion from crit to parry is quite good

vs melees parry is about as twice as good as vers

[wanton shale]

nice another perk through wild strikes

[urban portal]

wild strike doesnt work

i dont think

[strong forum]

?

[urban portal]

crit to parry is crit rating

according to tanknotes

[strong forum]

What does that have to do with parry

Huh

[urban portal]

oh i thought it was something else

i keep getting all the "strikes" mixed up

[strong forum]

No, it's just higher uptime on it

[urban portal]

yeah makes sense