protection

[mellow patio]

Dumb question, I'm getting back into tanking on my warrior after not doing so for a couple of expacs... but it's 20% haste still a must for prot these days?

[forest tulip]

all dps die on the last boss of NO +8 at about 70% HP. me and the healer stood our ground and grinded it out. just the of us and we managed to kill it

[warm plinth]

There's never been a required haste amount. So no.

[sacred geyser]

i think that was for shield block uptime so no. keeping 100% sb is super easy with current talents.

[craggy pilot]

what stat would be "best" to handle the bleed from Crawth? Vers?

[mellow patio]

It was indeed back in the day when I used to tank, that isn't as much of a problem anymore then cool

[limber flame]

ye verse would be the best stat to deal with the bleed

[mellow patio]

Everywhere I've been reading has been saying haste then verse for stat prio. Is that the case coming from you experienced tanks? Is there a recommended amount of haste? Or more just keep a balance and make sure to get a lot of verse?

Again sry for the dumb questions...trying to relearn after several years lol

[craggy pilot]

ill try the vers i guess, just rly liked the crit for the parry on first boss lashers

[short valley]

On Heroic Raz are yall running more AoE or ST builds?

[mortal brook]

bis gear only has like 40, 45% haste 😦 which isnt anywhere near gcd cap

[latent hedge]

crit is better for autos but does nothing for ranged attacks/spell casts defensively - its why vers is generally reccomended

but either tends to be fine

[limpid anchor]

Vers doesn’t do shit either

Theoretically yes

But it’s hella scuffed

[mighty crater]

What spec do you guys open vault in?

[limpid anchor]

Arms

Bcs I want grieftorch :<

[mighty crater]

You crafted weapon / shield?

[late notch]

What is the average dps you should be pulling in prot in a 20 key?

Say, 20 CoS

[oak echo]

Whatever times the key

[mellow patio]

Lol this guy is smart ^

[oak echo]

Depends on what you pull6

[late notch]

Well, key was +2'd, but I feel like 35k is low

[mellow patio]

Key it you win dps was good

[late notch]

I double pulled most packs I could.

[limpid anchor]

Crafted wep and have mythic shield

Don’t care that much about a 3 ilvl upgrade on shield atm

If you still need them, open as prot

[limpid anchor]

Seems fine

[oak echo]

It's prob about normal if you don't pull docks or like pull stuff onto 1st boss. If you got a lot of trash in 2nd boss area it's all small pulls

[limpid anchor]

I had like 38k in 19 cos today

The pulls just aren’t really big

Except at the start

[oak echo]

High dps in that dungeon comes from huge pulls on way to 1st boss then skipping enforcers

[late notch]

I had two mini boss spawners in 2nd area, so only pulled trashed onto them, then trash with enforcer for final mini boss.

[limber python]

is it possible to clenase your own poisons in current content

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[limber python]

how can i learn this power

[limpid anchor]

Bitter immunity

[oak echo]

Like as a warrior? Yes with bitter immunity or we its called

It's kinda shit as a 3 min cd though but works if you don't have a group that can do those things for you

[slim dove]

Also dwarf cleanse

[craggy pilot]

you gotta love it when Thundering bugs out and is on a corpse

❤️

holy shit Crawth is a horrible boss

how did anyone think up that design

[oak echo]

It's not really a bug unfort. But it sucks that the visual goes away when they die without clearing

[limpid anchor]

Never seen it bug out

[craggy pilot]

how is it not a bug?

[limpid anchor]

Just run over the corpses when someone dies

[cinder storm]

Yeah lol

[slim dove]

The msg spam ends when someone dies

[craggy pilot]

kinda hard when they died in Narnia

[slim dove]

Corpses can't use /say

So weakaura stops working basically

[lilac bloom]

omg trying for heroic raz kill ilevel 401 still no takers

[craggy pilot]

i love how people are timing +24s on Academy, while Shaman healers can only go to 21 because they dont have Poison Dispel 😄

but jeez man, the movement with Crawth after Fire + Wind goal

unholy shit

[cinder storm]

And priests

[craggy pilot]

can priests also not cleanse poison?

[cinder storm]

No

[craggy pilot]

well there is at least 110 priests who cleared +20 on Academy

only 25 shamans

and only 13 MW 🤣

meanwhile 600 resto druids

[oak echo]

Those shamans should make ww friends

[craggy pilot]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-affix-rankings/season-df-1/algethar-academy/world/leaderboards-strict/tyrannical#role=healer:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=20:maxMythicLevel=99

[mellow patio]

Balance 🤣

[cinder storm]

There are more jobs opening at blizz than priests + shammies + mw that timed 20 AA combined

[oak echo]

Like they're not not timing 24s because they don't have poison cleanse

It's because they're not strong healers

[chrome falcon]

what are you doing on it

[sick sentinel]

Are you guys shocked by this

Or oblivious to healer balance

[craggy pilot]

tanking? wdym?

[cinder storm]

They require setup meanwhile druid is wild growth + efflo goes brrr

[chrome falcon]

when are you dunking

and resetting stacks

[craggy pilot]

im not

dps are

i just tank 😄

[chrome falcon]

ok

and when

are they doing that

[craggy pilot]

when they spawn i think

[oak echo]

You should be spending almost 0 time with fire and wind up

[craggy pilot]

shouldnt be too bad on +17 tbh

[chrome falcon]

then your dps are terrible

i did that dungeon on 19 and we had wind up for like the last 10% of the boss

[craggy pilot]

so go to what 4 stacks?

before dunk?

[cinder storm]

Usually yes

[oak echo]

3 or 4 yeah

[craggy pilot]

i feel like we did 3 stacks

[lilac bloom]

i give up.. can't get into raz for some reason as tank

[craggy pilot]

and had bird at like 30% when we dunked Wind

[lilac bloom]

shiit my week is done

[chrome falcon]

either you're wrong or your dps are pisswater

[oak echo]

Did y'all not grab the haste balls?

[craggy pilot]

likely both

[oak echo]

Like 30% is fine

[cinder storm]

Most of my pugs are pisswater

[craggy pilot]

no clue honestly, theyre fucking hard to see and get to

and cant see if dps take them or not

usually there is 1 right next to me, that gets taken by a DPS

[oak echo]

Well they make you not get blown around

[cinder storm]

The ones that don't let you move when wind is up

[craggy pilot]

to i have to leap cross map

[pallid quiver]

My DPS in pugs are usually piss water

[cinder storm]

Careful leaping there, if you hit a storming then it can be pretty much gg

[craggy pilot]

yep had it happen just now 😄

[sick sentinel]

So you aren't paying attention at all on the fight and are calling it terrible?

[craggy pilot]

currently im just trying to survive the 600k dot bro

improving one thing at a time

pr deplete 🤣

[limber flame]

yall lusting crawth?

could do ancient into vexamus and have lust for crwath

[cinder storm]

Or first vexamus and don't lust ancient

[limber flame]

ye ancient kinda easy now with the nerfs

[frosty mango]

Crawth is the play

That fight has a brain rot dot

That's nasty

[sick sentinel]

Tree into Last boss Galaxy brain.

If you have the tech

[lyric elm]

naowhs route is, shroud to vexamus, lust, crawth with lust, tree without lust, lust on dragon

[eager swift]

is 4p worth it if i lose over 40 ilvl on this slot? (Frostfirelegguard haste-pants) and my helmet also loses 4ilvl + socket.

[grim nymph]

Guess the dungeon

[cinder storm]

40 ilvs? Nah

[grim nymph]

I don't have 4p, but it looks like utter poopoo

[cinder storm]

Notgud

[cinder storm]

It's not bad, but not 40 ilvs good

[oak echo]

Nokhud actually becoming close to a fav dungeon

[grim nymph]

Assuming you mean Nokhud, and yup.

[cinder storm]

It's notgud afaik

[uneven mason]

4p is ok, not worth sacrificing ilvl

[grim nymph]

It's roughly equivalent to 5% leech

[uneven mason]

2p is worth a good amount though

[grim nymph]

2p is definitely good, yeah

I'm not sure where the 4p is good though. I haven't found myself at much risk tanking packs, and 4p does nothing for spooky mobs like Kokia Blazehoof or Hyrja

[neon elk]

Its extra ip, its not OP , but it isnt useles .

[eager swift]

aight. thanks for those inputs

[grim nymph]

How good is Granyth's scale? Got one at 405 and not sure whether to dump my 3750 valor into it

[fallow osprey]

Mediocre I wouldn’t spend valor

[cinder storm]

Cobalt tank ring is better

[grim nymph]

wait it's actually 402 cause we bricked the +21

[frosty mango]

Some fort dungeons while I'm in battle stance in full dps gear can be a little spooky

Why would I need shield block or ignore pain

All rage is for revenge

[limber python]

is there any way to predict where lily flamepaw will shoot out the jade lines

liu flamehart*

[weary python]

Raszageth heroic, I'm assuming we need to talent into a stun as a way to deal with volatile sparks, or some other method besides just pummel. Normal raid build doesn't take storm bolt or shockwave. Is the play to take disrupting shout?

[cinder storm]

I've noticed it tends to follow me if tanked in the middle or if tanked to the wall, virtually same spot as first lines

[oak echo]

It's supposed to be the 4 diagonals from the way she's facing but it doesn't always seem like it lines up the way it should

[neon elk]

U can see those waves "forming" and that should be enough time to move tho

[limber python]

u see it at the last half second

[fallow osprey]

You run the risk of taunting the boss and taking an unintended tank buster, intimidating shout worked for me when targeting rasz

As an aoe int for the sparks

[weary python]

So intimindating shout, target raz and then pummel. That should suffice

[fallow osprey]

Yeah there’s diff combinations depending on the rest of your raid team and how they want to handle them but I’d feel responsible as long as I personally could interrupt at least twice

[craggy pilot]

that sounds like a good plan on Tyran actually

like holy

[raven zealot]

any downside to using a fistwep..?

my friend can craft them so i wouldnt need to pay commission

[craggy pilot]

dont think you can get Str Fistwep?

[raven zealot]

you can

[cinder storm]

these nodes are growing in trees now smh

[warm plinth]

Yeah and they're even str/agi this expansion :pog:

[craggy pilot]

oh lol didnt know

finally timed an Academy, had to go +16 to get it done :<

Crawth still felt like the hardest boss

[tender cove]

just land on it xD

[warm plinth]

They messed up making that bleed hit unavoidable without nerfing the damage

[cinder storm]

[craggy pilot]

lusting first pull on tree, and then doing Crawth after doesnt get lust rdy in time 🤔

[warm plinth]

Savage Peck is unreasonable now

[craggy pilot]

note for next time

[craggy pilot]

nah bro people here saying just to git gud

is what i heard when i asked 30min ago 😄

[weary saddle]

Is the slow effect any good for kiting mass pulls? I'm a haste whore and I dun like giving up haste for mastery unless the slow is worth it.

[cinder storm]

Give me shadow of zul teeming over peck / searing blow

[craggy pilot]

but man, we had a guy dunk fire goal right as the boss was doing Screech

looked big cus it cancelled the cast

but she did new one insta after getting stunned anyway 🤣

[warm plinth]

The slow only procs if the enemies die while they have the DoT on them which is unreliable at best. And you shouldn't have to actually kite large pulls. Backpedaling should be enough.

With the exception of maybe the mobs at the end of TJS

[fallow osprey]

Just kill trash on the way to vex till about 4 min left on exhaustion should be g2g

[craggy pilot]

hmm, thats true actually

Vex is doable without lust i assume?

[warm plinth]

Should be as long as group isn't monkeys

[weary saddle]

thanks i wont bother then. prefer to keep my haste.

[craggy pilot]

but still requires a lot of backtracking

which takes time

[fallow osprey]

Honestly I like lust on vex and bird now…

[craggy pilot]

the stealth to Vex start sounds very big tho

[craggy pilot]

ye bird is hardest boss by far now i feel like

[cinder storm]

vex is preferably lust now that tree is fixed

[warm plinth]

The only legit reason to have the belt is honestly if you have the raid damage proc ring anyway (at least, that's the only reason to prioritize it)

You definitely want it on bird for sure

[weary saddle]

i see.

[slim dove]

the entire fight has made me big mad since the hotfix

[tender cove]

cant you lust vex and bird and skip tree?

[slim dove]

from not spawning at all, to bugging out the goals and wiping from 6 stacks of screech, and having to deal with peck doing half my health bar every 10 seconds

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't think it's undoable but it's just...idk. I'd rather tanks have to work harder to survive in general (meaning actually press defensives during normal gameplay) than be totally fine until these ridiculous tank buster mechanics.

[craggy pilot]

ye i was also thinking going Vex first, do Tree after, and then Bird last

[craggy pilot]

tank busters in AV and Academy man

[slim dove]

yeah im literally sleeping the entire dungeon up to big bird

[warm plinth]

RLP and TJS ones are pretty stupid too

[craggy pilot]

the way they make dungeon bosses now compared to the dungeon bosses in SMBG and COS 🤣

[warm plinth]

RLP 2nd boss and TJS 3rd

[slim dove]

ice cutter doesn't feel nearly as bad

and dragonstrike we negate anyways

[craggy pilot]

ice cutter? i mean the Azureblade boss

[marble cipher]

Did I notice it correctly that our two set doesn't work on worm boss in SBG? It seemed at some point during the fight, revenge just wasn't hitting the boss anymore (noticed it cause I didn't get 2pc buff anymore)

[slim dove]

yeah thats icecutter

[grim nymph]

RLP second boss is ridiculous

[craggy pilot]

but also just the movement heavy shit on last boss AV, and Bird boss

[warm plinth]

The boss is fucked when it comes to cleave type abilities

[craggy pilot]

then tie that with a fucking poorly timed Thundering

[warm plinth]

Once he goes down the first time, a lot of them stop working

Fists of Fury, Revenge, shit like that

[marble cipher]

Is there a reliable way of knowing when he'll do his dragon strike? Cause it doesn't seem to pop up correctly on littlewigs

[craggy pilot]

i also had some boss once not get Rend on it

from my TC

cant remember which

might have been Worm in SMBG

[marble cipher]

Thought as much...

[warm plinth]

That worm boss is just a complete shitshow. They need to just delete him from the dungeon honestly as buggy as he is

[fallow osprey]

It can get delayed by other abilities but besides that my little wigs timers seem accurate

[warm plinth]

Like sometimes he'll go down every 10 seconds it feels like, other times he'll go down once the entire fight

Sometimes he'll instantly inhale you even if you're in a puddle

He's just fucked

[marble cipher]

Fair, it's the delay that's annoying, cause if I wanna have reflect up for each one, I should pop reflect a bit before he's gonna do it for every other dragon strike

[tender cove]

wait, he does this? I just thought i was bad and going slightly insane xD

[warm plinth]

No he definitely does it. It's infuriating.

[fallow osprey]

Yes, definitely need to cast spell reflect immediately upon him starting his cast for the first one. After that there’s enough delay between casts that I haven’t had to preemptively cast spell reflect

[warm plinth]

I main outlaw so downtime is fucking awful

[last mason]

whats the most lucrative gathering prof

[weary saddle]

Question: at post nerf Tree boss (AA) do u stack completely to the extent u let the swirly pop under you (and healer must heal or brez), or is the stacking subject to avoiding swirlies?

[fallow osprey]

No I just have ppl stack on me (I’m marked of course) and move clockwise with me

[warm plinth]

Mining/herb are both fine. Go into botany/mining process first all the way up, then work on mastering the elements/titan-touched nodes

[weary saddle]

ok i c. thank you @fallow osprey

[fallow osprey]

Yw

[oak echo]

Don't ever take a swirly. the adds being close but not literally on top of each other is more than fine

[warm plinth]

I think herbalism has been more lucrative but where I farm, titan-touched herbs are few but the mining nodes are common so it probably depends a lot on your farming area

I've heard there's a place in Thaldraszus that has a lot of both titan-touched (ore and herb) but I assume that's a heavily trafficked area too so I haven't checked it out yet

[oak echo]

I like mining just because you get Titan touched and lots of earth. Windswept herbs are nice but annoying af

[warm plinth]

I don't ever overload anything but titan-touched tbh

[fallow osprey]

Not primal? I like to do that and get lots of CDR

[warm plinth]

I have like 5 points in the main node of mastering and 10 in titan-touched and I literally get a full awakened order from every titan-touched herb.

You don't have to overload primal to get the CDR

Just mine them

[fallow osprey]

Oh

[steep condor]

Is it possible for warriors to do the death run in court of stars where the party goes to the beginning and you go round and open the gate? I’ve never done it - anything to know?

[warm plinth]

It might go up if you put points into it? But idk. I get 30% extra reduction from the buff with no points into it though

So that's like 40 mins per node

[fallow osprey]

I thought you got additional if you overloaded but I think I misread

[warm plinth]

It might be the case. The issue is that you only sometimes get order from primals

And I don't want to overload a primal and end up getting a bunch of fire

Because fire sells for shit

[fallow osprey]

Ya order is very nice

[warm plinth]

Titan-touched is basically a guaranteed full order between the overload and the actual node

[wanton shale]

there are groups posted for M+ with some bosses already killed - if we join those and just kill the last boss do we still get a concentrated primal focus?

[grim nymph]

What trinkets should I look for for M+?

[warm plinth]

Do you raid or just do M+?

[warm plinth]

You can't even go into those dungeons

idk why tf they'd have them listed

[wanton shale]

ahh ppl posting them are confused then thinking they can finish it, thx

[warm plinth]

Yeah it literally won't let you in the dungeon

If you aren't part of the original group that started it

[grim nymph]

I raid mythic as mage. My warrior is just for title pushing, so I could get heroic trinkets (maybe). I already have decoration of flame on heroic.

[warm plinth]

All-totem and manic is probably the dream combo

Whetstone from Court is really good too

Decoration isn't bad though.

[wheat hawk]

guys why having more mastery increases my block chance but decreases my damage reduction from block? is that intended?

[warm plinth]

It doesn't

[wheat hawk]

in the tooltip it does

[warm plinth]

Mastery has no effect on how much damage you block

[wheat hawk]

is it a visual bug then?

[warm plinth]

The tooltip shouldn't even mention how much damage you block

[wheat hawk]

try equipping/unequipping a mastery ring

[warm plinth]

It's block chance and critical block chance and attack power

[grim nymph]

I currently am running decoration / horn of valor in +20 to +22 keys, although I just got Granyth's scale.

[wheat hawk]

the block tooltip is the one that shows the dmg reduction

and changes also with mastery

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing you're targeting different shit probably. Or looking at it in different types of content.

[wheat hawk]

nono, just look at the "Block" stat in your character sheet

[warm plinth]

If you target a random level 70 mob, your block stat will show one %

If you target an M+ mob or a raid mob, it's going to show a different %

[grim nymph]

The block stat in your character sheet is based on what you have targetde

[warm plinth]

Because the k value is different

[wheat hawk]

look at this its in spanish but should be understandable:

and without mastery ring

[warm plinth]

yes

🤔 well that's interesting.

[strong forum]

Pvp ilvl scaling

[wheat hawk]

i have a friend with the game in english and the tooltip also works the same, so its not a language thing

[strong forum]

It's only in the overworld

[warm plinth]

Oh

[strong forum]

Yes

[wheat hawk]

you speaking about the block thing?

[strong forum]

Yes

It's cuz of dumbass pvp ilvl scaling

[wanton shale]

anyone here farming a lowly +14 Melandrus ring? I have a 14 key and ring already to pass if it drops, trying to push it to +16

[grim nymph]

Go into a DF M0 to look at the block values. M0 and M+ have the same k-values.

[wheat hawk]

k testing

[grim nymph]

Also target a mob

[arctic marten]

I'm having some trouble with Kokia Blazehoof, the second boss of Ruby Life Pools. Even with Spell Reflect up, i'm still taking a massive amount of damage from the tankbuster. How should I be mitigating this better?

[grim nymph]

spell reflect does nothing

[warm plinth]

The tankb uster is not mitigatable with spell reflect

It's all physical. The initial hit is blockable; the rest is a bleed.

[arctic marten]

How do I survive it, then? It does so much damage

[grim nymph]

idk, I timed it on +21, but it was fucking cracked

[serene jackal]

You can use Last stand + Talent for massive rage gain.

[warm plinth]

Rotate CDs, clench butthole, hope your healer isn't a pile of wet garbage.

[serene jackal]

Ravager

or any defensive CD

[wheat hawk]

hmm still changes

[serene jackal]

spell reflect mitigates the magic dmg dots

[warm plinth]

It's not a magic damage DoT

[grim nymph]

36.15% in both pictures

[warm plinth]

It's a bleed

[wheat hawk]

ohh right

mb

target thing

okay ty guys im not even prot but now i can explain to my raiders 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah so it's all good Edudino. Just PvP shenanigans

[arctic marten]

Do you mean the talent Unnerving Focus?

[serene jackal]

yea

it use to be an Overpowered as hell set bonus

literally infinite rage when you pop any cooldown with it

[arctic marten]

Right, but it's a 3 minute cooldown, and the boss casts very many tankbusters over the fight

[serene jackal]

with anger management and some other talents that are rage focused.

u can do a build like

[grim nymph]

The boss casts a tankbuster every 34 seconds exactly

[serene jackal]

demo shout

last stand

or shield wall

shield wall first preff

then on the next one

last stand

use the rage to rebuild shield wall

then follow it with a ravager each time spamming ignore pain each time

the rage generation is absolutely bonkers.

and basically makes shield wall on a 30 second cooldown

about the same as demo shout

[grim nymph]

You get shield wall on every other one anyway

[serene jackal]

yeup

any rage bonus will help greatly

[tender cove]

does demo shout work on the bleed?

[serene jackal]

i mean it lowers damage of target

its snap shotted

like using it on a warlock

in pvp

so any mitigation will eventually help.

Vers gear

prioritize

is bonkers for bleed resistance

aka PVP gear or vers PVE gear

[tender cove]

I have this amazing gear with exactly 704 vers rating. Not even sure how I managed that xD

[arctic marten]

Okay, so I would use Shield Wall > Last Stand > Shield Wall >
But what happens on the 4th tankbuster?

[grim nymph]

BSV

[steep wraith]

The other thing that really helps if you have one, is to educate your evoker party members on what bleeds hurt, and get them to remove it (1 min CD)

[serene jackal]

demo shouts....

[grim nymph]

If you have an evoker, it's free, yeah

[serene jackal]

also thers always the kite option

[grim nymph]

Demo shout isn't remotely enough, and kiting does not work

[arctic marten]

The tankbuster is kitable?

[steep wraith]

Most keys are resto druid/evoker

[grim nymph]

No

300 yard range

[serene jackal]

your best friend on high keys is vers gear

vers sockets

in every expansion previously

[steep wraith]

You should be able to get decent healing from the druid (cenarion ward) on each one, and evoker can dispel every other, co-ordinate with them

[serene jackal]

the higher you go

the more vers you want

because its raw mitigation

to everything

and ignore pain triple dips

base dmg reduced

[arctic marten]

Here's the damage I took, having parried one stack of Searing Wounds, with Shield Wall active, and having used Impending Victory

[serene jackal]

heal increased

along with other things

also LEECH GEAR

crazy good

avoidance can help too if aoe mechanics are going on at same time

[steep wraith]

Check your healing done over that period of time Apricot

[nimble laurel]

How strong are our tier set bonuses for m+?

[steep wraith]

You should've had at least 150k+ IP

[serene jackal]

in HOV back in legion you could stack 100% crit block with mastery

u could solo +20 keystones on HOV as a warrior... super fun

thats another option

Vers/Mastery

with +1s shield block per shield slam talent

[warm plinth]

You can only block the initial hit, not the bleed.

[serene jackal]

but the boss still MELEE's

does it not ?

if boss auto attacks 50k

[grim nymph]

The boss's melees are utterly irrelevant

[serene jackal]

and bleed is 200k / sec

[warm plinth]

It does but it's not the scary part haha

[serene jackal]

if u mitigate full 50k every hit

thats like 50k bleed reduction

just sayin

[warm plinth]

How are you mitigating a full 50k hit

[tender cove]

isnt the tick the same regardless?

[grim nymph]

@arctic marten I used shield wall -> trinket + demo shout + LS -> wall -> demo shout + ironbark + BSV -> wall -> boss dead on the +21 I timed today

[warm plinth]

Yes because its a bleed.

[serene jackal]

also its good to have healer use CD on first one.

or like 4th or 5th

[grim nymph]

You don't want healer CD's on the first

[serene jackal]

depends on your rage gain

[grim nymph]

Healer CD overlapping wall is overkill

[serene jackal]

and whatcha have runnin

[arctic marten]

Wow, okay. Do you think it's worth it to run Bolster for reduced Last Stand cooldown? Or just Unnerving Focus is enough?

[serene jackal]

both

[warm plinth]

Unnerving focus is not necessary

[grim nymph]

I didn't run unnerving focus

[warm plinth]

And what are you even giving up for that

[serene jackal]

it literally gives ignore pain every CD

[grim nymph]

brace for impact, I guess

which isn't worth it

[serene jackal]

for the duration

super good

[tender cove]

Something i read that sense did was also running the other avatar talent. the 4s shieldwall are pretty strong if timed good.

[serene jackal]

i'd take off some damage focused abilities

warrior damage is already batshit crazy

pumping 70k+ when raid damage is maxing out at 90k-115k

[grim nymph]

I can try to dig up the logs if you want

[arctic marten]

Sure! Anything helps

[serene jackal]

could even use a cancel aura macro with BOP to cleanse the bleed

it works on some bleeds

[grim nymph]

You can BoP it, yes, if you have a paladin

[tender cove]

frigid shard is spell blockable right?

[grim nymph]

yes

[tender cove]

okok. I have a ruby todo tomorrow and its gonna be my first 18 so trying to read a bit here and plan ahead :p

was supposed todo it today but healer had irl stuff come in the way 😦

[serene jackal]

If u can get more PVP gear that will help too

insane vers

[tender cove]

dont think my gear will be the deciding factor even if it lacks some versa.

[serene jackal]

you'd be surprised

[grim nymph]

Unless you're glad or something, PVP gear isn't worth the ilevel loss.

[slim dove]

duelist is 402 which is fine

[serene jackal]

going from 1k vers to 5k in full pvp gear is HUGE for dot bleed mitigation

[tender cove]

I am 398 and I have never done pvp in wow. Not really my thing, i prefer an fps in that case.

[serene jackal]

ah well then POO

could always 2 tank it with high dps tanks

always an option

[grim nymph]

wtf lolno

[serene jackal]

Keys like HOV with any tank + a paladin tank

[slim dove]

crawth? you just need to kill it before you run out of CDs

tell your dps to wake up

[serene jackal]

u can 2 man up to probably a 22

[grim nymph]

No you can't

[serene jackal]

due to how mechanics work

[limber flame]

H Raz we running shockwave?

[grim nymph]

You'll brick to timer

[slim dove]

also tanks arent coming close to good dps levels

marks/fury are bursting 400k+ on 6+ mob pulls ffs

[tender cove]

I'm dont have access to one and I doubt we would try it anyhow. Its learning curve like anything else and I finally found a healer to play with and we're both good on learning together so should be gucci

Im honestly just nervous about it, but i always am lol

[grim nymph]

Yah, I'm doing a fat 150k on first pull in HoV and DPS are cranking 300k

[slim dove]

for ur 18 rlp just go in expecting to get fucked on hard

[tender cove]

Yeh, we both are hahaha

[slim dove]

first boss fucks you

2nd boss fucks you

[serene jackal]

could always practice a few pulls and Builds on M0 without a group

[slim dove]

3rd boss fucks everybody

[serene jackal]

and see how your mitigation holds up

[limber flame]

had a healer ask me why im taking so much damage from the first boss of RLP

[serene jackal]

die reset etc...

[limber flame]

uh i dont know bro maybe the fact that she uh... does a fuck ton of damage

[lean zephyr]

first boss rlp, make sure to be extra careful during the aoe pulse (last tick mainly) and the frigid shard spam overlap

[grim nymph]

I'll let you know if/when the healer uploads them

[tender cove]

for first boss, i already know the damage is extreme, my worry is the snap aggro on those damn whelps with all the ice on the ground. Its like shout for one but the 2nd? save ravager and pray? xD

[grim nymph]

Doesn't matter

DPS are focusing the shield

[tender cove]

not in my pugs haha

[grim nymph]

Just don't ignore them entirely and TC/revenge will give you threat.

[slim dove]

youll wipe then

🤷

shield is prio, whelps can die after

[tender cove]

yeh, i still dont have one timed ruby i think, maybe some below 10 but anything above it? all failures

[grim nymph]

I went into a +21 as my first RLP

[tender cove]

dafuq xD

[grim nymph]

Got erased by the second boss

[craggy pilot]

fucking ofc after doing 50 runs COS i get no trinket, but first +19 i do in SMBG i get insta big toe

[warm plinth]

I'll give you a big toe

[tender cove]

still not in the stonegang? sadge 😦

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gt1weni5eQThpFqWwdZDYD
guess im using Big Toe now

[slim dove]

all totem/icon gang

no whetstone after 42 runs

[tender cove]

big toe, even my 385 sims incredibly high in high target situations, like above whetstone.

[proud dock]

i got an embrassing problem, sometimes i have a hard time picking up adds when they spwan for various bosses. do i hold off on roar and ravager for those bosses? instead of using for dps? i feel like i dont get a chance to even hit adds with a clap before dps gets aggro

[warm plinth]

icon is meh if you're not with someone else who has it though

[slim dove]

you say this EVERYTIME

[warm plinth]

like what boss, give an example

[craggy pilot]

19 SMBG and got +1 only 🤷‍♂️ died to fuckin Wall twice on the last boss like wtf is that shit

[warm plinth]

I just want it to be known!

[slim dove]

my grp has 3 icons ok

we're fine

[craggy pilot]

cant see where the curse is

[warm plinth]

Don't bully me Varughh

[slim dove]

the poop trail lingers

[proud dock]

tres boss AA, for ex

[craggy pilot]

higher in high targets?

[tender cove]

you also like charging the adds? 😄

[inland mesa]

Is big toe better than whetstone now? Think whetstone still simmed better for me, but I have a big toe, don't have a whetstone

[proud dock]

also first boss RLP

[craggy pilot]

ye i know, but doesnt it remove the curse if you step back out?

[slim dove]

ive bricked 6 AA keys in the last day bro ill bully a small child

[slim dove]

nope

[warm plinth]

yeah, you can save like challenging shout/ravager/thunderous roar

[craggy pilot]

oh so if i step in, im just dead?

[slim dove]

yup

[tender cove]

yeh, i did a bunch of sims and they all were different and weird so I had to ask nome what to use. But in 10 targets it kept simming very high

[inland mesa]

I dipped into the wall on a 20 sbg just to see wall damage

[slim dove]

i mean you can survive as tank

[inland mesa]

It's scary

[slim dove]

blow literally every bit of mitigation you have

[proud dock]

yer imma have to be more mindful i guess

[craggy pilot]

and also, the small worm before 3nd boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah do not charge the adds on that boss Nielsen :kekw

You will die

[slim dove]

but it lasts 15 seconds and ticks for your healthbar basically

[craggy pilot]

something knocked me into the water, wtf is that?

[craggy pilot]

i didnt

[slim dove]

bodyslam

[craggy pilot]

i went through the add we killed

got cursed

[warm plinth]

He inhaled you or you got hit by a body slam

[craggy pilot]

ah so a pixel bodyslam fk me

[slim dove]

small worms he said

[craggy pilot]

before the boss

[warm plinth]

oh, then yeah body slam

[craggy pilot]

healer job i guess 🤣

[slim dove]

i bricked my 21 shadowmoon today cuz the healer didnt know how to walk through gap without touching poop

🙂

[craggy pilot]

oh well was first time in high SMBG

so expected to go like this

[tender cove]

i died trough shieldwall, the dot ticked for 88k per second

[craggy pilot]

but still going to 4th boss with 14min on timer kekw

[tender cove]

and that was a 13

[warm plinth]

Idk about you but not touching poop is kind of an instinct for me

seems like it'd be gross

[craggy pilot]

got temple +20 key to do now though 😬

[slim dove]

wall + reflect + def stance + last stand + iv boss

i touched it on a 18 and barely lived

[tender cove]

i did not reflect or def stance but last and iv ye

im honestly bad with defstance, i just sit perma bstance and forgets it even exists

[craggy pilot]

guess i gotta do my +20 Temple for completetion, get a +19 COS 🤣

but man i just love struggling on a +16 Academy, going to a +19 SMBG and having the easiest time of my life 🤦

this season is weird

[warm plinth]

I forget it exists until I hit my macro by accident (battle shout is F1, stance dance is F2) 😂

and then my reaction in voice is fuck I hit defensive stance, gross

[tender cove]

same haha. I have my skull macro on 5 and stance on 6, fat finger it a lot 😄

[tender cove]

I need AA for score before reset but scared after reading everyone melting after the nerfs. Only tried a 12 and it was like, wtf have they done

[craggy pilot]

Tree is easy now tho

[warm plinth]

I did it on like...an 11

I think?

And it was alright

It was surprising but it was ok

[pastel walrus]

Veximus is the wall in that dungeon this week for me

[warm plinth]

Really?

[tender cove]

So much comes down to what healer I get in pugs. If they are the type to react to my dmg? im generally fucked and just smash buttons trying to survive.

[warm plinth]

What's killing you on Vex?

[pastel walrus]

Pretty sure it's arcane fissure killing the dps

[warm plinth]

ahh

[fallow osprey]

Dps drop like flies on vex sometimes

And crawth is like, does your group have 3 minute attention span

• healer cover your def gaps on peck

[slim dove]

vex its just dumbass dps touching balls with mana bomb hitting them in same global

or grabbing balls RIGHT as fissure hits

[warm plinth]

Sir this is a family friendly discord, please stop talking about grabbing balls smfh

[last mason]

hunters should never ever be invited to keys

literally perma dead

[slim dove]

nah good marks absolutely pump

just tell the healer to git gud

(srsly why do DHs get near perm 25% leech + blur + darkness + netherwalk but hunter is out here with 1 30% heal CD and turtle)

[warm plinth]

They get survival of the fittest too

[slim dove]

that requires pet to be out

[warm plinth]

No it doesn't

The roar thing from tenacity pets does

But not SotF

[slim dove]

Oh im wrong, i thought the pet casted it

[urban portal]

the only thing stoping hunters from absolutely crushing high keys is their squish

[slim dove]

still, 20% wall on a 3 min cd lol.

[radiant path]

Anyone know when there are diminishing returns for haste? When should I focus more on another stat?

[rotund thicket]

yo, is our 4p worth dropping ilvl for?

[warm plinth]

Never. DR kicks in at 30% but it's only 10% DR (meaning you would get .9% haste from 170 rating instead of 1%)

[cinder storm]

If its like 5-10 ilvl imo then its fine

[radiant path]

Oh sweet. I'm at 32%. So I was just curious. Thanks!

[rotund thicket]

doing 22s and wearing mythic gear, got normal set pants and im not sure if they are worth it

[cinder storm]

It's technically 5% leech although I remember Nome saying it was 20%, so take it as you will.

[quick iron]

Question about the 4p, does it reset the timer on IP or just add more health to it?

[radiant path]

It will add health to it, even if it's at 0

Does not reset timer

As far as I'm aware

I could be wrong on that though

I'm at 407 ilvl and still only have one piece 😦

haha

[quick iron]

damn thats unlucky, 398 with 3 rn, although my raid group is skipping normal Kurrog now so I have 1 less chance of getting the chest

[radiant path]

Maybe it does! I should just shut up

Because I don't have it yet. I thought I heard someone say it doesn't. But I could definitely be wrong

[quick iron]

It would be strong if it reset it, means when damage isnt too high you can probably just ignore casting and instead cast rampage (except when you need to burn excess rage)

[warm plinth]

It should reset the timer because it creates its own IP

[slim dove]

unless all your dps have 4 piece this is dumb as shit

2/4 piece is upwards of 10% dps for most specs

[quick iron]

everyone has 2 set rn and a few of our dps are on 4 set, we aren't hardcore so a few people go join some pugs for what we missed, busy people make it hard enough to get 2 days for raiding

[slim dove]

tbf pugging kurog normal is a joke and they can do on their own

[quick iron]

we only skip kurog, senarth, and terros and those bosses are super simple anyway

[sick sentinel]

working on them keys

[craggy pilot]

either +++ or untimed kekw

[onyx marsh]

question prot friends, if I wanna use a spark for a belt - which is the worst slot I have - is the optimal and safe bet the Unstable Frostfire Belt? even if I dont have either of the fire rings? or the primal belt is better choice?

[warm plinth]

It's your call but remember you can't remove the belt embellishment later if you make frostfire

nor can you customize the stats

[craggy pilot]

the frostfire is quite nice, but depends if you want 2 other embellish in the future

i like the Frostfire

[sick sentinel]

tried doing a 13 academy

[craggy pilot]

doing around 1.5% of my dmg currently

[sick sentinel]

wiped twice to tree, noped out

probably going to try some 12s

[onyx marsh]

Thanks friends

[craggy pilot]

upgraded my 1h to max, what is worth to spend Valor on next? 🤔

should i wait for vault on wednesday?

or just send it on Tier helmet or something?

[edgy grail]

Wait till tue

Wed*

[sick sentinel]

i've been upgreading shield for now

[craggy pilot]

i just need a new ring

praying for Diurna HC ring in vault ❤️

would be insane

[opaque vine]

is the seal of filial duty rppm or ppm?

[warm plinth]

Everything is rppm 🤔

[urban portal]

you can assume thats the same thing

[onyx marsh]

Thanks @warm plinth and @craggy pilot

[urban portal]

anything thats a % chance to proc

gets abused by rogues to no end

[lusty narwhal]

in terms of our lariot proc, its telling me to go with earth gems for mastery proc which is simming highest, is that okay?

i thought we didn't really use/like mastery

[urban portal]

everything is good

[lusty narwhal]

its simming like 340 higher than frost atm

[urban portal]

maybe the attack power just out values crit

[lusty narwhal]

i swapped out the gems for fury but i guess now ill keep them since its simming higher for prot now

[warm plinth]

Generally if you have a lot of one or two stats and none of another, it increases the value of the stat you have none/little of. So that's fine.

[weary saddle]

I am opting for Primal Molten Greatbelt so that I can have haste/versatility. The Frostfire Belt does not have the same flexibility and I do not like mastery. As for the frost slow effect, it only seems to work if mobs die within 10 secs of the dot, so it is not a given. I think the Primal belt gives better bang for buck.

[warm plinth]

The frost slow isn't really why you make the belt anyway. It's for the damage

[bold viper]

seal of filial duty, is it worth making the combo with the belt? or am i better off making the molten longsword. obvi one is doing damage and one is giving me a shield. i havent found much on the usefulness of of the raid rings combo'd with the belt

[warm plinth]

The damage ring with the belt is big for damage. But probably not as big as a weapon

[toxic pewter]

I personally would utilize the ring/belt if i had the chance

but I tend to lean toward defensiveness sometimes

[bold viper]

that ring is the shield, which is arguably less impactful than damage but still

[toxic pewter]

Yah for sure

its really personal pref

[bold viper]

seems like a nutty combo but i havent found anyone praising this combo

[toxic pewter]

I cant lie I havent seen much talk of the shield ring either

[bold viper]

on either tbh

[toxic pewter]

but in my head i compare it sort of to the cobalt defensive ring

[warm plinth]

Yeah I wouldn't go for the shield ring effect over a weapon

[quick iron]

probably doesn't help that the ring is rare

[viral stream]

Is it possible to have a infinite duration ignore pain build

[warm plinth]

I mean, Ignore Pain has insanely high uptime anyway, even with how we currently play.

Shield Block is a stronger defensive for most of your damage intake anwyay. IP is just supplemental

[bold viper]

the other best pick is my pants, which are currently 402

[quick iron]

Unless you're taking constant tank busting damage ignore pain will probably be up 90% of the time

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure there's only really one talent that even potentially affects Ignore Pain uptime, which is Brutal Vitality.

And we already take it

[wide dragon]

braggin a bit lol

[warm plinth]

Do you wanna fuckin fight RayJ

Did you come here to fight, because I'll fight

🥷

[torpid anvil]

Hey boys, just getting my prot warr to 70 and looking to do keys. I’ve played prot pally my whole life but wanted another tank that was a stud. How diff is warr comparatively?

[warm plinth]

It's a bit less "I can do everything so my dumb pug doesn't have to" but it's insanely tanky and does great damage.

And we still have a little bit of the former

You're more reliant on the healer for certain tank busters is probably the biggest difference.

[pulsar berry]

Is there anyone that is able to VC to answer my list of questions I have? I'm theory crafting and trying to modify my talent tree, and I need some serious help.

[last mason]

are u guys all still using the cobalt shield ring

[toxic pewter]

can dps evokers run cauterizing flame

[slim dove]

yes

[warm plinth]

Wouldn't ever run that tbh. DPS ring, sure. Not the shield one though.

[last mason]

why not?

[slim dove]

never procs when you actually need mitigation

things die faster = less damage intake

[warm plinth]

It's probably not actually helping your HPS much, because it gets consumed before IP. So you're just consuming that instead of IP.

It just looks good on the meter

[sick sentinel]

today is one of those days when i go to sleep tonight GG

i used up awll my good energy on this day today

[warm plinth]

But the important question is

Did you switch back to Intimidating Shout

[sick sentinel]

barely failed any of the keys i did tonight

hell no lol

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

just ran a 12 life pools 2 chest

shoudl be doin stronger keys

[slim dove]

why would you never not take int shout lol

[warm plinth]

We already had like

A huge discussion about this

We will not change his mind

[urban portal]

"RNG disorients can ruin my +10 pulls"

[jovial crane]

17 Temple last pack. Shield wall, shield block, and ignore pain. One shotted still. Probs raging 😦

[urban portal]

the fuck

[wanton shale]

uggh the first 16 key i make myself and it's a TJS, no way i'm tanking that lol, still transitioning from fury to prot.

[sick sentinel]

FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH INTING SHOUT , now Spell block is my best friend

[urban portal]

they are literally not competition

[pallid hare]

Lol that pull sucks in high keys, you have to be able to kite and get help from your team

[urban portal]

one is on class tree

the other is on spec tree

thats like saying shield charge is a better spell than berserker rage

[pallid hare]

Get people to focus and cc the correct mobs, get externals & kite

[sick sentinel]

what is the play on the trash before final boss JS?

[wanton shale]

you went from 0 HOTS healing from max health to 0 in like 1 sec

[sick sentinel]

i did a 10 and another 10, both timese they hit like truck

[wanton shale]

yea that looks way too rough as my 16 to try to tank lol, think i'm gonna downgrade this TJS key

[urban portal]

host it as dps then

[tender cove]

nobody remembers a coward but everyone remembers a hero. Go for it. Its still experince.

[warm plinth]

you run away

[sterile bough]

well ur defensives werent on I guess

[sick sentinel]

my GM and his buddy suffered through a 17 JS completion this week because .,... ??????????

[sterile bough]

they expired

[sick sentinel]

i dunno why of all the keys you'd chose js

[sterile bough]

tjs is quite an easy key

just time is tight

[sick sentinel]

i had to run JS twice because the first run was a fail, so i decided to revenge it

[wanton shale]

that's the ability we're supposed to back step mid cast/swing so it misses right?

[sick sentinel]

was over time barely i mean

[wanton shale]

i was watching some taktyks vids to learn these dungeons better

[warm plinth]

They don't stop to cast it I don't think, so you actually have to kite somewhat.

Just enough to be out of melee range when it goes off though

[wanton shale]

ahh i prolly got the wrong ones, i think the bears and that Hew ability in HoV are the ones we're supposed to back off from?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

If you do fenryr 3rd, it's pretty easy to do bears because you have the giga speed buff

[wanton shale]

that dude has some good videos for new tanks, great content

[sterile bough]

oh u dont do bears without fenryr buff

[warm plinth]

So even if they charge you because you went too far, you're still fine

[sterile bough]

its a suicide

[warm plinth]

You can with a good enough aoe slow but yeah, the big speed buff makes them a joke

And then the mortal hew you can backstep

[wanton shale]

ok i'm gonna watch his TJS tank walkthrough again and try this 16 and get yelled at by some toxic pug rogue lol

[sterile bough]

just stun the casts

or press wall / demo / reflect / spell block

oh it sabout hov not tjs

[sterile bough]

when u get yelled by toxic pug u cna remind them that u are both on same io so hes as bad as you

[wanton shale]

lol true!

[warm plinth]

I also looked at the wrong wowhead spell for this; theirs is actually an 8 yard range so you do need to be a bit farther than just out of melee for theirs.

[wanton shale]

jeez that's hard, so either need big defensives up, stun, or really kite

[wet gate]

Was tanking a +18 RLP and I just kept getting killed by 2nd boss tank buster I could shield wall 1st last stand 2nd then all I could so is pool ignore pain and healer wasn't able to keep me up. Am I missing something?

[sterile bough]

what healer u played with

[wet gate]

a resto druid it was a pug so wasnt able to call for bark or anything jusr hoped he used it

[warm plinth]

Use this rotation.

[sterile bough]

never played with resto

[warm plinth]

You'll have to add more prayge steps if the healer isn't using externals

[sterile bough]

nah bruh

evoker is so op

[warm plinth]

ikr 😂

[sterile bough]

he can always either dispell u or give u stagger

1 dispell 2 stagger 3 dispell 4 stagger and so on

[warm plinth]

yeah, I think this was just an "on the safe side" kinda thing

But evoker is fucking OP

It's like they took the external that evoker should've had and also gave them the external that shamans never got

[sterile bough]

also the thing is the searing blows isne even an issue

the issue is searing blows combined with inferno from add

so make sure u use spell reflect for inferno ( 20% dr)

[wet gate]

yea maybe the healer wasnt keeping up i guess

[sterile bough]

u need shit ton of healing on that

[wet gate]

did it on a 17 on gdruid without any real issue was surprised I was hitting a wall on p warr

[sterile bough]

maby better healer

[pallid quiver]

If the searing blows are 30 seconds apart in application, an evoker healer could technically dispell 2 in a row with stasis if timed just right, looking at that rotation

[wet gate]

ah ok so always get a evoker for tyr rlp lol

[sterile bough]

u need to tell em what to do as well

casue im pretty sure they dont know

[pallid quiver]

Stasis can hold its sequence of spells for 30 seconds once it's set, so

[warm plinth]

eh...searing blows is definitely a way way bigger problem than inferno

Specifically searing wounds

[sterile bough]

ye but u cant use reflect searing blows

and u can on inferno

[warm plinth]

Of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't SR it. I was just saying that Searing Wounds is definitely the problem on that fight for tanks. Inferno is basically nothing in comparison.

[final gazelle]

So, quick question, as a prot warrior, should I be starting out mythics using defensive stance until I start getting some better gear, or just go ahead and do them in battle stance?

[sterile bough]

also u can block the searing blows

and never be turned back to mobs

boss*

casue u wanna get agro on add as well

[pallid quiver]

Battle Stance until you need def stance, always

[warm plinth]

You can block the searing blows, yes. But searing wounds is not blockable

[pallid quiver]

Gets you more used to the idea of shifting into defensive times when needed

[warm plinth]

Searing Blows are also irrelevant in comparison

Even more so

[sterile bough]

untill you hit hard key level play always 100% battle stance

[sick sentinel]

defensive stance is for lack of a better term, a trap

it has use, but its limited

[pallid quiver]

You should still do things like swapping into Def Stance to deal with bird peck/searing wounds, though, to be muscle memory prepared for it in notable keys

unless your goal is to pump hella dam in low keys in which case knock yourself out

[tame sleet]

for Dathea normal, do you have off tank take 1st add, and active tank hold boss and 2nd add?

[sick sentinel]

my goal is to eventually before s1 ends get KSM

thats it

[pallid quiver]

Simply warrior tank dathea on normal and tell the other tank to handle adds

[sick sentinel]

and play with my buddies and have a good time

[pallid quiver]

Never swap

[sterile bough]

you take both depending on how u swap

[pallid quiver]

Solves all problems on normal

[sick sentinel]

thats only thing in the world i care about when it coems to wow

[sterile bough]

ksm is all 20s?

[sick sentinel]

15's

[pallid quiver]

Unless they changed Dathea normal, the stacks cap at 5 and a Warrior can just, like,

Charge and Leap the KB away, eo

[sick sentinel]

hero is 20's

conquere is all 10s?

[pallid quiver]

You can literally solo tank Dathea on normal

[tame sleet]

what do you mean how we swap? can you expand on that>

[sterile bough]

I've tanked raid only once but we swapped around 3 stacks

[tame sleet]

yah we swapped at 3 as well

[sterile bough]

but some1 mentioned that u dont need to swap even which might be true

[sick sentinel]

monk was very angry with me in the 11 shadow moon i ran, MOVE MOVE MOVE boss from pillars, i guess i should do that, i got picture now

[sterile bough]

so basiclly the moment adds spawn the tank who wasnt tanking taunts the boss and the one who was tanking the boss takes adds

[sick sentinel]

or, i assume anger

[compact jackal]

So I'm looking at logs on H Rasz. Do you have to like, pad hard on adds to get a purple or something?

[void bramble]

sophic or frozen for weapon enchant?

[sick sentinel]

im doing wafting devotion 2 atm

[sterile bough]

frozen

[sick sentinel]

more haste and MS sounds good

[lusty narwhal]

is there a good place to see M+ routes?

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[sterile bough]

check out streamer routes

[lusty narwhal]

what streamer?

[sterile bough]

all the ones that are tanking

dorki lepan shuwar

[sick sentinel]

https://pastebin.com/u/Plkatv

[sterile bough]

nerftank

trellsky

[sick sentinel]

i swear by pikas routes now

[sterile bough]

naowh but I think he has eveyrthing behind subwall

[lusty narwhal]

@sick sentinel whats pikas twitch?

[sick sentinel]

every route i have learned for DF is the "pug" route from that page cuz i mostly pug

unsure, pikatv prolly? dunno, only watch some bald raging guy on twitch really

[sterile bough]

https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv

[sick sentinel]

pika nome late are the 3 people i would listgen too first personally in this discord

nome for raiiding content and high keys, pika for keys

[urban portal]

does nome even raid

[void bramble]

100% frozen over sophic? its expensive wanna make the right purchase

[lusty narwhal]

@sick sentinel where are nomes routes?

[sick sentinel]

this im less sure of

assume nome crafts his own keys based around ppl he plays with and dungeon and key lvl snd party talents

lots of these keys are extremely linear too like life pools so its zug zug 4head shit

[pallid quiver]

He's pugged a few; I was checking to see who was above me in rankings the other week and he was one of them

[stable flume]

Double charge seems very unreliable during Hurricane Wing on Raszageth, you guys just use the pools?

[limber flame]

ye just dip into the pools before hurricane winds goes off

[fallen pulsar]

I use the pools, am still able to charge for more range

[limber flame]

group should be dropping them close enough you can keep uptime on boss

[compact jackal]

why god

[slim dove]

"completion 20 rlp no leavers"

[modern brook]

T-T

[hardy forge]

Hi I'm pretty new to this tanking thing. Trying to improve where I can but don't see numbers, is an average of 20-25k dps ok for prot?

[woeful trellis]

is 2set bonus better then +18ilvl on chest

[woeful trellis]

ilvl and key lvl?

[hardy forge]

I'll 273, key 2

[woeful trellis]

then its fine

[hardy forge]

Oke. Thanks

Also sorry 373

[cold forge]

What is is rough uptime on shield block you should be aiming for?

[woeful trellis]

80%+

[warm plinth]

Generally your actual details/buff uptime doesn't matter. You want a high % of blocked hits, which you can determine from logs.

[cold forge]

Thanks I will have a look

[warm plinth]

Go to damage taken, and hover over the number in the hits column next to melee

And see what % shows there

[mighty valley]

you dissect an entire dungeon run for a man and he later says he don’t even listen. he truly exists to cause pain

[radiant oxide]

is there any build that doesnt use ravager?

[urban portal]

any reason you dont like it?

its a significant dps loss

[sour venture]

hello quick question, between the necklace (lariat) and the crafting ring, which one is better to craft?

[radiant oxide]

I just dont like it

[wise adder]

just plop that talent point anywhere you like then if liking is your primary concern

dps loss is substantial but shouldn't impair you too much

[radiant oxide]

the ram thing that improves shield charge sucks?

seems like more single target deeps

[wise adder]

it's good yes

[urban portal]

its good

[warm plinth]

You can take both though

You give up Thunderlord for Battering Ram

You can also just make an @ player macro for Ravager and then it's like any other CD

[compact jackal]

what in the actual fuck is this boss

[modern brook]

U gotta work for that melidrussy

[toxic pewter]

does anyone know of a way to see how much troll in combat healing does from racial

[lusty narwhal]

Does Spell Block work on Crawths deafening screech?

[warm plinth]

Take damage, see what % of your health a tick of regen does, take 11% of that and you have troll in-combat regen

[warm plinth]

Theoretically, it should since it's sourced from Crawth. But I don't think it's been tested since you normally don't take Spell Block in AA.

[lusty narwhal]

yea idk

im 407 ilvl

and on +20 tonight

that mother fucker trucks me

i spell reflect dmg reduc his screech and usually have things up for his peck

but dear god

[warm plinth]

Yeah the peck is bullshit

[lusty grotto]

i mean

was it screech #1 or 3+ stackers

cause i feel like that's very important information to share

[waxen cedar]

gotta pool rage and spam those IPs for bleed, thats what fuck ur ass on that boss

[lusty grotto]

yeah he didnt say peck

he said screech

so idk

[topaz mauve]

How have you guys been dealing with the second boss in HoV’s tank buster knock back. I just did an HoV 16 and I popped spell reflect and an addition defensive every time and once wall and last stand are on cd. The following tank buster is hitting for 270k or so. Am I just supposed to tell the healer just focus on my health after eye of the storm and sanctify?

[ionic fern]

AA's damage breakdown is nice as always.

That said, screech was only like ~120k max.

On a +20

Which ain't that bad.

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[cerulean copper]

Guys, are Protection Warriors using DPS trinkets in raids? I saw a lot of people using DPS trinkets in almost every raid fight.

[lusty grotto]

obviously screech 3+ will hurt a shitton

[ionic fern]

You should be able to take care of them yourself.
SR/DS/IP/SW/LS/Defensive Stance

Etc.

[viral stream]

So this icy veins has devastor and im just like... what do you do then in down time... just auto ?

I confused

[lusty grotto]

all builds have devastator

[sand pebble]

Downtime?

[sonic moon]

Not a lot of downtime.

Shield slam resets so often now it's silly.

[lusty grotto]

there's not a single build that doesnt have it lol

[viral stream]

So I just go dev and just.. put shield spam where my devastator is for my spammable

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't really have downtime much. Maybe for a global or two when you're at low haste. But generally we're GCD locked, if not moreso

[sand pebble]

Of you have downtime you overspent rage on ip, shoukd be able to revenge every global

[lusty grotto]

we havent used devastate in.... how long? 3 expansions roughly?

[solar blade]

@viral stream if you use a gcd on devastate or even have it its a bad thing

last time we did was pre bfa

[lusty grotto]

we did sometime along legion for sure

[viral stream]

Last time I played warrior was in the spam sunder days

Sundering Armor to replace Devatate

[warm plinth]

Oof

[sand pebble]

Wait for 3 sunders!

[solar blade]

ouh thats something

[lusty grotto]

so tbc classic

is what youre saying

[viral stream]

Sundering Armor. The upgraded devastate

[lusty grotto]

dont you dare ghash

[viral stream]

I was very confused when I just got on and saw it was gone.

[compact jackal]

So

can I get 2400 with a 15/15 RLP?

[warm plinth]

What 👀

[lusty grotto]

madge

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[warm plinth]

😂

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-bye-elmo-sesame-street-im-out-gif-15658802

[viral stream]

Time to try the no using devastate

[ionic fern]

Enjoy.

[viral stream]

Do y'all use slam at all?

[ionic fern]

No.

[viral stream]

So I can remove that off my bar then like I was thinking

[sand pebble]

Ss > tc > revenge is rotation, enjoy

[viral stream]

Like im prot, why use 20 range on that

[wanton shale]

i tried a 16 NO and healer couldn't keep himself or the dps alive on elemental boss. Are we supposed to prioritize healer gets the most orbs so he always maintains 10 stacks?

[viral stream]

I mean

Prot Rotation was always TC Revenge

Glad that the only thing that changed was replace dev for shield slam

[ionic fern]

On a +16 it shouldn't matter - but generally yes, healer should get orbs in higher (20+) keys.

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good morning Ghash.

How are you?

[lusty grotto]

daily reminder of why Ghash doesnt have the pink friend role

[ionic fern]

Silence or i'll rename you.

[lusty grotto]

now im curious

[viral stream]

So I removed Slam off my bars, and WW got removed off my bars the second I learned Revenge

[ionic fern]

Same.

[warm plinth]

I'm doing okay. I'm 3 energy drinks deep at 6 hours into my shift.

[ionic fern]

Good.

[viral stream]

Not having TC until level 14 felt so bad

[warm plinth]

I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE CLASSIC RELATED

[viral stream]

Thankfully that was only like 2 dungeons

[warm plinth]

LMFAO

[lusty grotto]

OH NO

[sand pebble]

Haha

[warm plinth]

That's what you get for mocking my lack of friend role you son of a bitch!

[lusty grotto]

LOL

well my curiosity has been satisfied

[warm plinth]

I have done more keys as prot

I am soon going to be as good as my pwar brethren

[viral stream]

So i'll eventually want to rend before I TC so I can get that deep wounds + rend across the aoe for bleeds?

[warm plinth]

[warm plinth]

No, rend is not on your bars.

TC applies rend on its own

[sand pebble]

No it applies rend

[ionic fern]

I think Wolfie is still leveling? 👀

[sand pebble]

Oh

Umm

[warm plinth]

If you're still leveling and you don't have Blood and Thunder, I would skip Rend for now

It's not worth pressing. Mobs die too fast for you to make good use of the bleed and it costs too much.

[ionic fern]

You should get Blood&Thunder

Before Rend tho.

[lusty grotto]

mwahi pls, i cant talk im too ashamed