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frosty mango
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Shock/bolt/charge/warstomp

warm plinth
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Pretty much everything works on the crystals

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Except shit that says "only works on x, y, z"

solar sandal
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no fear

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disrupting shout might work as a silence?

warm plinth
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no

solar sandal
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but that might be for their self buff?

frosty mango
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You can bump them

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Rop, typhoon etc

solar sandal
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yeah all displacements work i just dont remember fear

lusty grotto
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oh we're talking about the shards

solar sandal
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yeh

frosty mango
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I just prefer staying in dstance there because if even one gets off it's a bootypucker

lusty grotto
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just desync them

solar sandal
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just kill them 4head

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they're pretty weak

lean zephyr
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im pretty sure it works since I just did it in a 20 last night but maybe I overlapped fear with something

lusty grotto
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so that the frontals just hit after the last one's debuff faded

solar sandal
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like 2 disruptions and they're usually dead anyway

frosty mango
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That's really the only place I think, bstance the rest

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Actually the last pack of tojs

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I dstance

solar sandal
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last pask of tojs

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dstance and fucking run

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🤣

frosty mango
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I'm a man

lean zephyr
solar sandal
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solo stunning is really good to desync tank busters

frosty mango
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I refuse to run

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To the face or death

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There is no other option

solar sandal
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i run if we have a hunter or rogue to md

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but face tanking that shit on fort weeks is like

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idk

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im a bitch i guess

lusty grotto
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yes

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yes you are

solar sandal
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=/

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they hurt

lyric elm
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get in, use every cd, run for your life

solar sandal
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also running has worked every time and been clean

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so that's also why we do it lol

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just long enough for dps to kill any 2 of the little bros

lusty grotto
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the only way i run to is my grave

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im not a bitch ass bdk

solar sandal
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facetanking them IS running to your grave

brisk gust
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Decoration Flame vs Windscar Whetsone (Same Ilvl) For m+?

lusty grotto
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yes we're warriors

slim dove
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Shockwave first fear second stun desync the pair

lusty grotto
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that's what we do

slim dove
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If they're still alive your dps are sleeping

warm plinth
lusty grotto
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well decoration procs ring

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so use decoration only for ring's sakes

brisk gust
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I've the waist

lusty grotto
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otherwise ghash is correct

brisk gust
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so don't really need trinket to proc them

lusty grotto
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more fire procs is more dmg

solar sandal
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oh ok

lean zephyr
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the pack just needs to die faster, running from pack with fear/frontal going off can just fuck the dps and if the big guy summons adds, and you’re in the middle of running your dps more fucked

royal reef
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How better is prot war defensive wise to blooddk

solar sandal
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i just went into AV and it looks like you can fear these guys

sick sentinel
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Do you guys have any macros you find crucial to your play?

brisk gust
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Windscar def hits more than the ring + deco combined

solar sandal
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but it only feared 1 of them instead of an aoe fear

slim dove
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Windscar is 5kish dps on its own

craggy pilot
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how are people feeling about the Blazebinder?

solar sandal
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i dont like delayed effects lol

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it's my damage and i want it now

warm plinth
craggy pilot
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i feel like the trinket trolls me 50% of the time

lusty grotto
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i have a macro that yells SR in every channel

craggy pilot
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just goes off right when theres nothing near

lusty grotto
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thats about it

solar sandal
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i also use 2 trinkets that root me

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so.....

warm plinth
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In all seriousness, I do have an @ player macro for Ravager, and the stance and IP/SS macros

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in the pins

solar sandal
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ok nvm intim shout does work on the crystalline guys

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it's just not listed in the mdt notes i guess

lusty grotto
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DUH

warm plinth
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you can't trust mdt's vulnerable to shit

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It's never been accurate

solar sandal
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true

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i stand corrected

warm plinth
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The only thing I look at that info for is to see if they have stealth detect and even that isn't alway right

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always

lean zephyr
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for the most part, if the mob is level 70 any cc works on it

sick sentinel
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I have a macro that casts the upgraded heroic throw when I charge. Throw is off the GCD and it makes it super easy to grab packs of 3 off a single charge

lean zephyr
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if it’s 71 you can’t cc it

warm plinth
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Throw isn't off the GCD. Charge is.

sick sentinel
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Whichever 😂

thin pecan
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Hi guys, ive been told that IP is getting a 11 second cd on the ptr... I cant find anything about it online, please tell me this is someone playing a horrible joke on me and not reality...

uncut zephyr
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The dps warrior version has always had a cooldown

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so it's just for arms

lusty grotto
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yeah

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albino is right

thin pecan
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Phew!! Ty!

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That would have been horrible for prot!

prisma echo
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Ok fellow prot warriors why the fuck i get 6 orbs on AV last boss if i have 0 stacks. Is this because healing threat and me outhealing healer? any advise what to do there how to avoid orbs beside HL?

warm plinth
frail vector
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Hey, still new to prot. But I think my damage is low. Weapon is now 392 and shield is 385. Overall 393. In dungeons I’m nearing 30k overall in general. In some I do more. But I feel like I should be higher. Thoughts on what I may be doing wrong?

prisma echo
prisma echo
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it was best advice i get from this discord defensive stance = gay

warm plinth
lean zephyr
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healer shouldn’t have to dispel you, should be using those dispels on dps

warm plinth
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The healer should be dispelling whoever the orbs are chasing

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Either themselves or the tank

frail vector
lusty grotto
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is there not a pin for this?

warm plinth
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Use defensive stance like a defensive. On tankbusters

lusty grotto
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d stance when in trouble

warm plinth
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Or hard hitting packs

median tulip
tired pivot
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defensive stance is also good for opening up big pulls

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prevents getting bonked to back hits

hollow bolt
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hello! odd question, On advisor melandrus, his slicing maelstrom, whenever i block, i hear the sound effect of something getting blocked, is this an audio bug? i did check the block/reflectable chart, and it says no.

median tulip
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I prefer to use BStance for opening on packs (for threat) and use Shield Wall to handle the defensiveness

tired pivot
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not all of them

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first pull of rlp for example

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I am in defensive stance while pulling

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then switch as I pull everything and pop an actual defensive

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it gives a good amount of safety while not really costing much in damage

chilly brook
tired pivot
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mdt is decent for looking up abilities of mobs

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in terms of tooltip info

warm plinth
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I have no issue with that. It's not like mob info is the reason people use the addon anyway. I just had an issue with how he went about it. It was reactionary and out of anger.

main pulsar
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What is the best way to find a raiding guild these days?

steel mauve
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warcraft logs has a recruitment tool, there is a massive recruitment discord which is honestly really good, and several other websites have recruitment functions on them

main pulsar
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Can you share the recruitment discord?

earnest nymph
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I've given up hope of them tuning last boss AV anymore

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they need to just remove it from the game

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it's so bad

sweet summit
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remove orbs and it's fine okayge

earnest nymph
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there are so many things they could do

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but I'd rather them just remove the fight entirely

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it's overdue

sweet summit
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i can get behind that hmmNod

lusty grotto
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wait

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why isnt Erga yellow anymore

strong forum
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erga deadge

lusty grotto
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what did i miss 😢

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rip in pepperoni

sweet summit
dense fox
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For M+, should I be enchanting myself with Leech or Avoidance?

lusty grotto
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Avoidance is for aoe

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Do you die to aoe?

dense fox
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Not particularly. Sorry it's been awhile 😂

lusty grotto
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Well you have your answer

dense fox
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Thank you!

hardy ridge
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Avoidance is better for dps/healers than for tanks

dense fox
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And bracers/cloak are the only slots I can enchant it with, correct? The rest are just random stats when the item itself drops

lusty grotto
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Correct

dense fox
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Thank you!

oblique drift
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Any advice for how to deal with the trash between the first and second bosses in AV? Specifically the trash on the rings. It's consistently the hardest part of any dungeon for me.

lusty grotto
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De sync the frontals

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Use stuns and/or fear

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Don't get pounded twice

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And make sure your dps is kicking root and sleep

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With your help

oblique drift
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I think it's more having control over the pulls that I struggle with there. It seems incredibly difficult to move some of the mobs around, and I don't understand how to handle the pats.

brisk gust
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What key lvl?

mellow quartz
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I love that instead of fixing the dot going away after the wall disappears on the last boss in smbg they just buffed the dot essentially 1 shot you instead the other day

oblique drift
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Just in general. I'm mostly doing around 15 and 16 at the moment, but it's a consistent issue.

mellow quartz
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ticks for 200k every 1s on a 20 tyr lol

brisk gust
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Idk should be free on that key lvl even if u stand in everything

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Just don't face ur team with Piercing Shard

oblique drift
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That's super dependent on gear, but yeah I know about the frontal

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It's moving stuff around I struggle with

lusty grotto
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what do you mean

brisk gust
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Well then its only interuppts/CCs, avoid the marks on the ground

lusty grotto
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if you start going left you wont have issues

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leave shards for last

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they dont do frontal right off the bat, so you can adjust as needed by moving the back to avoid the solo + crystal pat

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moving back and then facing away from group of course

oblique drift
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The big guys seem almost impossible to move to me

lusty grotto
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the big genie looking guys?

oblique drift
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Yeah

lusty grotto
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those shouldn't be there for shards though

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and honestly they arent hard just move back and theyll move to you eventually

oblique drift
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I don't know, I guess I don't understand the timing or something

lusty grotto
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i think youre just confused

oblique drift
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Almost always the pats end up getting pulled

lusty grotto
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the pat with the genie guy shouldn't be an issue

brisk gust
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You don't have to move it + u can kill the pats with the guy

lusty grotto
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theres no shards with those

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you just have to kick roots/sleep

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that's it

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absolutely no frontals on that side

oblique drift
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It seems like people still die super frequently

lusty grotto
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well that's their fault for not kicking root/sleep

oblique drift
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Well, I'll try the always go left strat, I do think that will help me some for sure

outer tartan
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Is BrV fixed yet? lol

worthy fiber
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whats the consensus on the tier set, worth getting or not over ilvl?

strong forum
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Yes it's worth

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4pc is huge for keys

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2pc is alright, beats ~20ilvl

solar sandal
median tulip
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I mean, 4pc is basically 5% leech

oblique drift
solar sandal
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mmmm

oblique drift
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Also, there definitely is one pull with both the genie and golem

solar sandal
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first room i guess?

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genie doesnt do anything

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and it's 1 shard piercer so kinda also w/e

oblique drift
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The problem I have is moving him

solar sandal
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dont move him

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the patrol you can pull into the pack and just do anyway

oblique drift
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The pat that walks into him is two golems

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Unless you go right first, but then you face the same issue really

lusty grotto
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no

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its not

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youre def confused

solar sandal
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i mean idk if you're asking how to do this without doing mechanics or like how to do this properly...

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maybe i'm confused

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but shard guys dont really matter

lusty grotto
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its not 2 golems

solar sandal
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you cc them til they're dead

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if they get a cast off you'll be fine anyway just dont point at your group

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big genie guy drops circles on the floor

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just move...

oblique drift
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One golem one elemental my bad

lusty grotto
lavish sleet
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I should probably have full vers haste gems with lariat so I proc for hast > vers right?

solar sandal
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like there comes a key level where you have to actually know how to handle trash correctly

cold pollen
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how do you deal with the 3rd boss of academy the beak destroy me and i find myself lacking rage

oblique drift
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I'm not the one dying, but it seems like virtually always there's at least one DPS who dies

lusty grotto
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the one on the right is the patrol to th e left

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if youre worried about that pat

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youre doing it wrong

oblique drift
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There's a bottom pat too, and that one has a golem

lusty grotto
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THAT"S GOING RIGHT

oblique drift
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But it walks into the genie

solar sandal
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ss your mdt route lol

lusty grotto
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didnt we just talk about this?

solar sandal
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i think there may be some larger problem at work here

lavish sleet
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whats the best lariat setup for us

lusty grotto
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by the time you reach that genie, you will have ALL the room to the back

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the patrol doesnt agro if the genie is up

oblique drift
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Okay, but that's my original question, how do you move the genie?

lusty grotto
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cause if the genie is stuck where he is, hes not within social agro

solar sandal
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wait why do you want to move the genie

lusty grotto
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you wait

solar sandal
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if you dont want to double pull the pack

oblique drift
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Really? That does not seem to work for me

solar sandal
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and if you want to double pull the pack, just pull the pat to the genie

lusty grotto
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so dont

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it doesnt matter

solar sandal
lusty grotto
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the genie does absolutely nothing

oblique drift
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I mean that waiting doesn't seem to work

lusty grotto
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and again

lusty grotto
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youre making this way too complicated

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just forget about the dumb genie

oblique drift
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My groups will definitely not do that

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I only do pugs

lusty grotto
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WELL ITS THEIR FAULT

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you can only hand hold up to a certain point

solar sandal
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you can hand hold ring trash really fuckin hard as a prot war lol

lusty grotto
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and even then, if youre worried about a single shard....

lavish sleet
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Hey just gonna keep asking. Do we use Vers/Haste gems over Haste/vers if we are using lariat to proc for haste?

oblique drift
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It's more that if I try to walk away, DPS usually pull and get insta gibbed

lavish sleet
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?

lusty grotto
solar sandal
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vers is for chumps

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haste/crit

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huge dam

lofty widget
lavish sleet
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kk

oblique drift
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I mean maybe it's their fault, but I'm looking for a way to remedy this since it causes me problems

lusty grotto
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well you cant

lavish sleet
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intersting most warriors i have seen are running haste vers

solar sandal
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where are you walking away to?

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what are they pulling?

lusty grotto
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your only option is to tank the patrol if they pull it

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IF

solar sandal
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if you're worried they butt pull

lusty grotto
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IF they pull it

solar sandal
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just pull the patrol in and stack all 6

median tulip
lavish sleet
solar sandal
oblique drift
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If I walk back they pull the pack, if I pull the pack myself then most groups can't keep up with the interrupts

lavish sleet
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but to clarify the main reason you guys value crit over haste is because crit gives us more dps?

solar sandal
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you can interrupt so much by yourself

lavish sleet
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just because most higher tier warrior I saw (stream warcraft logs etc) all have haste vers stat priors

frozen rose
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is big bird still bugged? or was it ever bugged, just buffed?

median tulip
lusty grotto
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check the other warriors

proud dock
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D: thats mean

lavish sleet
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almost all top warriors on warcraft logs are running vers/haste or Haste/vers .D

lusty grotto
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anyone that couldnt keep up banner for long in s3/s4 is a doofus

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ok let me go through this again

lusty grotto
round cliff
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should i use victory rush to try to break the healing absorb from jade serpent strike?

lusty grotto
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forget warcraft logs

round cliff
solar sandal
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yeah i'd rather just die sometimes on that boss

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but then your group gets mad and it's a whole thing

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spellblock/VR every other one

median tulip
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at this stage of an expansion, "top tank in the world" means "had completely free time over christmas to do nothing but M+"

unreal lily
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Is the trinket from COS one of the Bis trinkets for prot?

solar sandal
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big cd / heal external every other other one

solar sandal
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shit is wildly op

lavish sleet
median tulip
round cliff
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you can spell reflect jade serpent strike?

lavish sleet
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I think it might just be prefrence

lusty grotto
solar sandal
unreal lily
round cliff
lusty grotto
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im not gonna go through this argument

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gem what you want

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up to you

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good luck

solar sandal
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crit/haste do more dam

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when you get to +30 keys

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you can change

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🤷‍♂️

uncut dome
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what did you guys choose to craft?

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With embelishments etc

solar sandal
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i did helm and lariat

lavish sleet
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Which is a fair enough comment. Nimchips comment was just "top warrios run it" and the top warriors run both

median tulip
lusty grotto
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they dont

lavish sleet
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bro

lusty grotto
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only dumbasses like nerftank do

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which we know

lavish sleet
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other tanks doo too

uncut dome
solar sandal
lavish sleet
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.....

lusty grotto
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are idiots

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and have been idiots

lavish sleet
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brother in christ are you a top 20 dps warrior?

lusty grotto
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for 3 expansions or more

lavish sleet
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they are

lusty grotto
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ah here it is

lavish sleet
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prot warrior*

lusty grotto
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they are doing 30s, are you?

lavish sleet
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no but I dont act like I know shit

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you do

median tulip
lusty grotto
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because i know shit

earnest nymph
uncut dome
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HOW ON FUCKING EARTH CAN THE HIDDEN ARTIFICAT NEVER SPAWN

median tulip
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None of the embelishments are that good

round cliff
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vers is for people who need vers to survive

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not for doing 4s

lavish sleet
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Seriously I remeber why I shouldnt go on warrior discord lots of people who thing they know best

lusty grotto
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@warm plinth

solar sandal
lusty grotto
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you see this shit lol

lavish sleet
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Genuily he worst class discord imo

earnest nymph
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you weren't saying what they are doing is only because they run r1 keys, you said they're dumbasses

solar sandal
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also disappointing damage on the reflect =/

earnest nymph
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totally different

lavish sleet
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but this guy just says falst statements

lusty grotto
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check the #1 warrior

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why is he running NOT versa

earnest nymph
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that is demonstrably false man

solar sandal
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i need more haste gear

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help

round cliff
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go get it 💪

lavish sleet
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No wonder people told me not to go on warrior discord

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im out of here

lusty grotto
median tulip
lusty grotto
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have fun with your vers

lavish sleet
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Just so you know you have such a bad rep on here that other class discord warn from going on here

round cliff
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join warrior discord to get advice
gets the advice
"no, you're wrong"

lavish sleet
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maybe change your attitude

round cliff
solar sandal
lavish sleet
lusty grotto
uncut dome
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Is the 1h sword worth the craft?

lavish sleet
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he just called over 30% of the top 20 warrior dumbasses

gilded tide
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waht is the diminishing return on hate for prot?

solar sandal
round cliff
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no, you're just being a dumbass lol

lusty grotto
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no i called Nerf a dumbass

vapid moss
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Hey guys, fresh 70 prot warrior here 🙂 im using the mythic build from icyveins is that a good starter build for heroics?

uncut dome
lusty grotto
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youre just an idiot, can you leave already?

lavish sleet
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bro as I said others running haste vers too

solar sandal
round cliff
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vers is only necessary at HIGH keys

lavish sleet
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did you even check the link you sent

uncut dome
lavish sleet
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?

jagged pier
round cliff
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otherwise haste crit does more dmg since you dont need survivability

lusty grotto
round cliff
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🤷‍♀️

vapid moss
round cliff
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thats facts

pseudo garden
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I thought he was leaving

round cliff
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no he has to announce it first

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to rub it in that we're lesser

brave portal
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stormed out without storming out.

earnest nymph
lusty grotto
jagged pier
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Nim lets tone it down yer

earnest nymph
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🤷‍♂️

solar sandal
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thoughts on disrupting shout anyone?

median tulip
earnest nymph
solar sandal
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kinda started running it a lot

mellow umbra
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This is hard yikes

round cliff
solar sandal
lavish sleet
rustic shadow
blazing condor
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dps loss tho

median tulip
lavish sleet
lusty grotto
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i dont need to

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werent you leaving?

solar sandal
lavish sleet
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bro

lusty grotto
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BRO

earnest nymph
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tbf they are running vers/haste and not haste/vers

lusty grotto
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weren't you leaving?

earnest nymph
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but they're all running that combo

median tulip
pallid quiver
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I keep scrolling up and up and I just see the same thing over and over

solar sandal
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prolly not worth actually. crit/haste anyway

lean zephyr
solar sandal
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i'm wondering how much of a damage loss it actually is

lavish sleet
blazing condor
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sim it okayge

solar sandal
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trying to pull up my talent tree i used in the 20 av i did

lean zephyr
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does it matter if it saves lives lol

pallid quiver
# solar sandal thoughts on disrupting shout anyone?

Extremely situational and not of super much use for most M+ dungeons, as it's an interrupt and not a silence. Most use cases you would have for it can be solved with LOS'ing the mobs, saving the talent point

lusty grotto
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still waiting on them leaving

blazing condor
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they already left

sleek current
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So, I'm running Spell Block for TJS but, I'm pretty confident I'm not getting the most use out of it. Where do you guys recommend it's a perfect, makes the difference moment?

lusty grotto
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good

earnest nymph
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I'm still here so

mellow umbra
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Why are you being such an ass lmao

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Relax

blazing condor
lusty grotto
blazing condor
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you can use it on water boss trash for bolts/tainted waters thing

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2nd boss is good

jagged pier
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Take the arguement outside

blazing condor
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works for haunting gazes

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etc

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pack before last boss for sure is good for spell block

lean zephyr
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works on dark claw too

mellow umbra
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Not really, you’re just being a dick for no reason

blazing condor
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with all the dark claws + haunting gaze

pallid quiver
jagged pier
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Stop trying to reatart it leave it

sleek current
blazing condor
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huge

sleek current
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16% uptime on it over the course of TJS so, I was definitely using it a lot.

jagged pier
earnest nymph
blazing condor
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but you continued okayge

jagged pier
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Right i dont care

sleek current
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Thanks everyone, greatly appreciated.

jagged pier
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I came mid way through

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And asked it to be stopped and left

lusty grotto
#

guy claims top warriors run haste vers

blazing condor
#

a fight doesn't start with the first person

lusty grotto
#

links 3 randoms including dratnos

#

i link entire io leaderboard because i know how this argument usually goes

#

goes on the typical "youre not them" charade, blah blah

blazing condor
#

no use trying to change opinions on someone who believes they're riht

#

just gonna be a shitfest

#

everyone throwing shit at eachother for the sake of throwing shit

grim grotto
#

a guild mate told me that we will get a buff in the next patches. is that true ? cant find anyhting about it

blazing condor
#

better to just stfu

#

🙂

solar sandal
#

nvm im dumb

#

ignore

lusty grotto
#

obviously mention nerf is an idiot and has been an idiot since legion

earnest nymph
#

only one person has been throwing shit this whole time lmao

sturdy sable
#

Wait this vers conversation is still going on?!

lusty grotto
#

yeah the guy that left

jagged pier
solar sandal
#

lmao

#

if they dont nerf us

#

call it a win

uncut dome
#

Uhm what is that item called where food buff goes through death?

queen fulcrum
#

I gotta tell ya this CoS prison is getting boring now sadge

blazing condor
#

the playerbase would be hella upset if we actually got buffed

sleek current
#

Just hope we aren't in the class notes.

sturdy sable
queen fulcrum
#

Ironially it's boots not dropping that's bugging me more

blazing condor
solar sandal
#

would rather have the crit/haste option from craft ring

crystal turret
#

Why would the player bases be upset at arms buffs?

blazing condor
#

prot buff

lusty grotto
#

they shouldnt

sturdy sable
lusty grotto
#

but there are always outliers

solar sandal
#

at least subcreation is putting other tanks with us in S

jagged pier
#

I honestly prefer to be f tier

#

Have to deal with less shit

solar sandal
#

so we're not just in S with A and B both emtpy like it was 2 weeks ago

blazing condor
#

class feels great rn but i miss SL warr where we were seen as absolute dogwater even though we were great

lusty grotto
#

other tanks are pretty good, people are just blinded by "meta"

rose vector
#

I like being a boss tbh

#

I barely need heals

jagged pier
#

No tank need heals

#

Even less on reset

median tulip
#

I prefered it when we were really good but all the idiot streamers didn't realise it, so we could just get on with owning shit without having to deal with endless variations on "but such-and-such a streamer says X" when the streamers don't know shit

jagged pier
#

We are supposed to take the least healing warrior is literally designed that way

blazing condor
#

i like making my healer feel redundant by pulling packs when they're still on the runback

#

and having no issues

uneven mason
#

It's literally down to how hard it is to perform basic functions

fierce phoenix
#

probably asked a 100 times already

#

2nd boss

median tulip
#

Healers are there to keep the DPS classes alive

fierce phoenix
#

ruby life pools - how are people living?

blazing condor
#

the will of god

solar sandal
#

i...think we were more ridiculous in bfa

blazing condor
#

and defensives

solar sandal
#

so we're probably fine

sturdy sable
#

The amount of times ive answered this question lol

solar sandal
boreal nebula
#

Hello so i just started using prot warrior finished leveling it to 70 and right now am 355 ish ilvl and during most keys i've done today (got to do a 10 CoS in time so i'm happy)but i often find myself in situations where i really struggle to get rage and on those moments i dont have shield slam or thunderclap up to use is it just bad spells managment or is there something i'm not understanding i checked a guide for the basic but still dont know much about the min maxing side of it 😄

uneven mason
lusty grotto
median tulip
blazing condor
rose vector
#

When DF launched I just kind of half assed a spec, but I’m trying to actually look at builds now. What’s the benefit of shield charge

blazing condor
#

its a great ability

#

also works as a stun if ever needed ig

#

genereates good rage

rose vector
#

Is it meant to replace standard charge?

blazing condor
#

very important

#

nope

solar sandal
#

shield charge hits like a damn truck

blazing condor
#

you use both

pallid quiver
median tulip
pallid quiver
#

So you pretty much only ever use it in melee range

blazing condor
#

i feel like shield charge is like 90% crit lol

solar sandal
#

double shield charge talents 👌

#

b/c it is lmao

#

that shit hits almost as hard as my shield slam

#

but aoe

boreal nebula
solar sandal
#

oh pretty standard

#

shouldnt have rage issues then

#

most likely using rage generation while maxed im guessing?

median tulip
blazing condor
#

there's definitely talents i'd move but shouldnt be having rage issues

solar sandal
#

i'm also not a believer of thunderlord

#

but i might be dumb

#

idk

blazing condor
#

you can always weave charges if you need more rage but you're probably spending too much on spenders

solar sandal
#

but def take both shield charge talents

boreal nebula
#

i'm still not used with the talent names so what is BSV? 😄

blazing condor
#

or not using demo shout / pressing Shield slam / thunder clap enough

earnest nymph
solar sandal
#

keystone middle talent bottom

solar sandal
boreal nebula
#

oh battle scarred veteran?

solar sandal
#

i've never felt like i needed it and not had it tho

blazing condor
#

y

toxic pewter
#

anyone know how this 2500 rating item they give you works? like is it a transmog or wat? this gleaming incarnate thunderstone

median tulip
earnest nymph
#

then def yes to thunderlord I'd say

solar sandal
#

i mean i get the reasoning for it

#

but show of force is like

#

just more damage?

#

idk

earnest nymph
#

you take both

solar sandal
#

i simmed a bunch of different little things

earnest nymph
#

in m+

#

anyway

boreal nebula
solar sandal
#

idk what i did to my tree that i didnt

#

something weird

oak echo
toxic pewter
median tulip
solar sandal
# earnest nymph in m+

this is what i was running for a long time, dunno where i'd have gotten a free point for it

oak echo
#

i think for warrior it added some stuff to the helm? i forget

blazing condor
solar sandal
#

bruh

#

it's really fuckin good lol

boreal nebula
blazing condor
#

it feels good

#

but its less damage

solar sandal
#

it simmed more damage than roar for a while

#

so i kept it

#

im back on roar tho =/

blazing condor
#

i personally like the shockwave build

#

but alas

solar sandal
#

shockwave feels better to hit than roar

#

roar is...kinda lame

earnest nymph
lusty grotto
#

and then youre using shockwave to do damage, which puts DR up

oak echo
#

using your stun as a damage cd instead of utility feels bad

#

and the only way it outperforms roar is to literally use it on cd

blazing condor
#

i also dont know who thought it was a good idea to rename Dragon Roar into Thunderous Roar for their expac about DRAGONS

solar sandal
#

cd on shock is short you just stun for cc value and damage

#

idk

solar sandal
solar sandal
#

i really wish talent trees didnt wipe the bottom half if you took out a point to change in the top half

#

that is incredibly annoying and like the first thing someone should have noticed in QA

#

<.<

oak echo
#

yeah..i've just gotten in the habit of removing capstones to put in the talent i want, then removing the talent i'm replacing to put the capstone back

#

annoying but better than redoing 10 points

rose vector
#

I’ve been avoiding it for years. I have HL and taunt on mouse buttons

median tulip
solar sandal
#

?

#

those dont take keybinds they're just modifiers on shield charge

rose vector
#

Shield charge itself is a new ability though

wanton shale
#

purple wafting devotion weapon enchant is cheaper on my server atm than the blue sophic writ - with the bigger proc from epic enchant and speed boost would yall say that's about even trade?

#

looks almost like a pricing mistake, its 4k for the tier 2 Wafting Devotion, tradeskill master says regional sale average is 40k. Cheap enough I better buy a few in case it's a price mistake

rose vector
blazing condor
#

pwarr has quite a few buttons tbh

#

at least its not brew okayge

median tulip
#

Does anyone know (i.e. has PTR access) if the Catalyst will allow you to change non-tier pieces into their raid equivalanets like the SL one did?

lusty grotto
#

it should work the same way

#

so yes

#

if youre asking about bracers

#

for example

steep wraith
#

There's a set of gear on wowhead with the same set name, can look it up there

lusty grotto
#

i cant confirm that

median tulip
#

I was hoping someone actually knew

boreal nebula
wanton shale
#

cool thx for the reference

#

i guess most players who keep up with enchants at this point are ready to use a longterm one so they spring for the T3 so huge drop in price from T3 to T2

tender cove
#

Didn't they also increase drop rates of lots of mats?

wanton shale
#

most of yall prolly have ur 418 recrafts so no need for temp enchants anymore

tender cove
#

Making the price half over night?

wanton shale
#

ahh that's great, prices were insane first couple weeks

tender cove
#

I dont know what they changed but it was a lot of trade chat moan past day

boreal nebula
#

yeah i'm guessing prices are naturally going to drop too i doubt enchants will still be around 80k for some in around 1-2 months

lusty grotto
median tulip
#

Oh the prices will tend downwards, ofc. Also ignore the T1 prices; there are very low volume because almost everyone can make T2

lusty grotto
#

so not sure why youre worried about off pieces

lone eagle
#

Yo

#

Bonemaw's Big Toe buffs

#

We Big Toeing it now? It was close enough before

wanton shale
#

ooh was it just buffed for next reset?

lone eagle
#

10% buff to the breath

wanton shale
#

i'm using one just cuz it's my 2nd highest ilvl one atm

median tulip
wanton shale
#

sweet that'll breathe more life into my Toe, better than nothing even if not huge

#

for the TW chest - it's a normal raid piece so it can be 389 or a 395 if from the later bosses?

unreal lily
#

What's better bonemaw big toe or ruby whelp shell?

#

I have both at 392

blazing condor
#

sim

unreal lily
#

Ok, are either of them worth spending valor to upgrade would you say or should I save the valor?

lone eagle
#

Unless Ruby Whelp Shell was buffed

#

Bonemaws should pretty much be better by default

blazing condor
#

valor on trinkets is pretty cheap but i wouldnt do it personally

lone eagle
#

Ruby Whelp Shell is/was big poopoo

unreal lily
#

Alright, thanks guys!

autumn cosmos
#

Any tips for the twin boss in TJS?

blazing condor
#

dont know whats better on higher keys usually you just focus one and swap to the other at 7 stacks

#

if you push it til its immune phase it doesnt do aoe damage tho

#

other than that its just use IV and rotate defensives, you can use Spell reflect on it.

autumn cosmos
#

aight, cheers

craggy pilot
#

if i have Alchemical Flavor Pocket on my shield, can i take it out and use it on another item? 🤔 or does it get "lost" when i recraft it off

lusty grotto
#

it gets lost

#

it works as any embelishment

#

you remove it, its gone

#

(even if it doesnt count as one)

chilly escarp
#

anyone have the fire proc ring and frostfire belt does it work decently?

low pagoda
#

around 2% overall damage for me

mortal brook
#

Free effect on ring is free, belt ppm is sufficient to get full ring effect

weary saddle
#

Am finding it impossible to use Engi Brez bracers because i cannot find the dead body in the heat of battle to enter the melee range necessary to brez. Is there an addon or WA that highlights the location if dead bodies

toxic pewter
#

What i do is select the dead body via party frame and check mini map to see icon of what I have selected

lusty grotto
#

theres an option in the default client

#

that whatever your target is, you can find it easily on the minimap

#

it puts a red/gold marker on the minimap

storm agate
#

hey guys quick question I got huge amount damage on 19 SBG from skeletons with void slash

#

any tips for that pack?

lusty grotto
#

spell block, spell reflect, double wall

storm agate
#

appreciate it spell block needed i guess thx a lot

lusty grotto
#

it wont save you from multiple though

#

since long cd

#

but you can alternate cds as needed for them if nobody is soothing

shut summit
#

stun / use CDs / outrange during cast

lusty grotto
#

👆

storm agate
#

yeah thx i did not realize they are doing so much damage so i shocked at bit first 😄

pliant vortex
#

Maybe I am missing something, but the WA in the pinned area for Spell Reflect doesnt seem to trigger in M+. Am I just missing something? Or if this for raid only?

sick sentinel
#

wich stance do i use as tank?

#

defensive or the other one?

pliant vortex
storm agate
#

depends on your style but if you are new just use defensive stance till you get confident imo

sick sentinel
#

so the other one is "better" if u are good player tho?

#

ty!

pliant vortex
#

The other will do a bit more damage, but you will take 15% more damage

oak echo
#

The "optimal" way to play is sit in battle until you need the Dr from defensive for certain mechanics or hard pulls

slow token
#

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
if you need a macro

oak echo
#

But hard to master

weary saddle
oak echo
#

So better if you're new to stay in defensive until you're comfortable with what your damage intake looks like

sick sentinel
#

ty bros ❤️

proud dock
#

359 blazebinder or 376 docoration of flame? kekW

slow token
#

btw into the fray over heavy rep ?

oak echo
pliant vortex
#

Into the fray is really hard to beat if you have enough melee round to get the buff stacks.

lusty grotto
#

no

#

its not consistent in keys

#

go HR

slow token
#

hr is only the sb uptime check and more rage to spend

proud dock
lusty grotto
#

you cannot maintain it on bosses

slow token
lusty grotto
#

they are idiots

pliant vortex
#

Lol...all of the best prot warriors on the planet are running it though...

#

Idiots is a bold statement...

slow token
#

i told them sb 100% and more rage to spend it good too

ripe cave
#

what phial are most people using in high keys? just vers? are people opting for damage or?

slow token
#

but tbh battlestance and into the fray is a big dmg buff

oak echo
#

I use glacial fury mostly

craggy pilot
#

is dps supposed to be at around 60k?
im 405 and the Fury was also 405 🤔
i thought they were supposed to be a bit higher

lusty grotto
slow token
#

like 10-15% more compared to the other 😄

tulip kelp
limber python
#

is the court of stars ring BIS

craggy pilot
#

not rly a lot of big pulls

#

it was +15 COS

slim dove
#

cos is weird

#

and favors burst aoe over like SP ramp dps

craggy pilot
#

yea but feel like its weird im doing 44k dps, and DPS are doing 59 only

#

thought they should be way higher

craggy pilot
#

more than Prot?

oak echo
craggy pilot
#

and he had PI from Priest all the time 😄

slim dove
#

its "slightly" ramp cuz hurricane

gentle heron
#

Just did a RLP and the dps kept melee'd by the add on Kokia despite the fact that I had full aggro - is that range based or something?

slim dove
#

you need to be in melee range

gentle heron
#

I was and they kept getting meleed

oak echo
#

Yes if you're out of melee they will truck your dps

#

Ah

slim dove
#

you werent if they were getting meleed.

gentle heron
#

I mean I can't be anymore on top than what I was in 3 tries

#

that was really weird, first time that ever happened

tulip kelp
#

The flame elemental?

gentle heron
#

yeah

slim dove
#

if your only getting threat by a clap/revenge/slam you can still have dps rip off you.

oak echo
#

Hard to say with just what you're saying but to answer your question it should never do that

tulip kelp
#

Ngl I have been getting aggro and then moving boss to bait boulders and there’s been no issue.. we’re your dps dying?

oak echo
#

Boulders don't bait on tank unless I misunderstood.

gentle heron
wanton shale
#

tank can move it to help bait it to right spots though cuz it'll aim at ur party?

#

tank doesn't actually do the baiting i assume

tulip kelp
light fulcrum
#

Guildie just claimed, that second boss in rlp hits harder, when she's next to the add. Can anyone confirm?

lusty grotto
#

no

#

that's not true

wanton shale
#

it seems that way cuz she happens to do the searing dot series shortly after add spawns and we tend to be near it

blazing condor
#

I mean yeah sure

#

But she doesnt get buffed

wanton shale
#

so it looks like tank health drops a lot when he gets near the add 🙂

blazing condor
#

She just casts the bleed after shes cast the ads

light fulcrum
#

I knew it was bs. Thanks for clarifying

blazing condor
#

You can always read the dungeon log

wanton shale
#

one of those correlation does not equal causation things

#

did yall do the 5 TW dungeons just for a chance at 389 tier piece?

tropic tangle
#

don't think you can get tier from the cache, can you?

lusty grotto
#

you cant

#

the cache explicitly says so

rough egret
#

Hi 🙂 any Lariat crafter Twisting Nether EU?

reef holly
fading tide
#

What’s the best way to rank the first boss in azure

oak echo
#

Blow up trees. Get aggro on adds. Reflect the tank hit

#

Don't stand in the cone

fading tide
#

I can reflect infused strike?

oak echo
#

Yes

fading tide
#

Well that’s good to know thanks

oak echo
#

And it's up for all of them pretty sure

granite pond
#

Anyone know when you would replace the Cobalt Assembly rings? Like, what ilevel ring with proper stats would beat the value of the (usually damage) proc?

lusty grotto
#

sim it

chilly escarp
#

hmm 408 court ring and a heroic fire proc ring was gunna craft a ring next week before i got the raid one now what to use the spark on

oak echo
#

Do you have belt for the fire ring already?

chilly escarp
#

yeah

#

and the vers bracers

light fulcrum
#

What belt do you need?

chilly escarp
#

and a wepon ofc

#

maybe a sheild i guess or a non lariat neck

oak echo
light fulcrum
#

Thx a lot!

chilly escarp
#

unstable frostfire belt

azure verge
#

any tips for 2nd boss rlp. much appreciated

#

getting hit like a truck it feels

past gyro
#

frozen or sophic enchant on weapon whats the verdict

final gust
#

anyone have any issues with pulling aggro off of your cotank in raid? is that just a "i'm pumping too hard" issue?

nova egret
#

yup i constantly pull aggro from my dk cotank. he has enough taunts though :)

tawny maple
jolly harness
#

can raszageth's electrified jaws be spell reflected?

tawny maple
final gust
#

he seems to be doing fine, parsing decently well

tawny maple
#

Well parsing doesn't mean anything so

final gust
#

yeah, was about to add "for all that's worth" kek

tawny maple
#

Lol

#

Just would have to have someone who knows the class look at logs

#

I'm assuming they're not warrior

final gust
#

they're dk

tawny maple
#

👀

#

Send em over to Archeus

oak heart
#

what potion should we use for m+? power? is shocking discosure any good?

pallid quiver
#

Shocking Disclosure is better in bigger AOE and isn't too bad in ST, either, so generally shocking's a good default

lilac bloom
#

i'm about to be doing heroic brood.. 2 tanking this fight. do u know when he does mortal strike i use spell reflect b4 he does any hard hits? any tips? cos i know i get hit hard

pallid quiver
#

Particularly since it's a lot cheaper than power pots

oak heart
#

Thanks 🙂

clear spindle
tawny maple
#

Send em over to Archeus

#

Prob spamming marrowend and deaths carress

lusty grotto
#

weapon ilvl matters

#

youre gonna pull agro if the other guy has lower ilvl weapons

vestal torrent
#

any of yall play around with the shockwave capstones? Think it has any viability over dragon's roar?

lusty grotto
#

in lower keys maybe, but not in higher keys

tawny maple
vestal torrent
#

yeah figured as much

lusty grotto
#

weapon controls all dps

tawny maple
#

So does hitting your buttons

#

Lol

lusty grotto
#

yes of course

#

on equal skill, whoever has the highest ilvl weapon wins

tawny maple
#

No lol

lusty grotto
#

no what

#

feel free to elaborate

tawny maple
#

Aggro problems are not because of w weapon dps

#

I promise you

clear spindle
#

His weapon ilvl was higher. I was 4th overall in dps for every fight while he was 10th or so. The group wasn't amazing but it was fine for clearing the first 6 bosses on normal mode.

lusty grotto
tawny maple
#

Lol

steel mauve
tawny maple
#

Crazy

lusty grotto
#

did you convenientely not read that part

#

ON EQUAL SKILL

#

im just bewildered

tawny maple
#

bruh

lusty grotto
#

yes?

tawny maple
#

Never have I ever seen people have aggro problems because of weap dps

#

It's always because people are playing like doggy

lusty grotto
#

it happens on higher keys

#

so it happens just about everywhere

#

im not disagreeing with you

#

its more often than not people playing incorrectly

#

but ilvl does contribute, granted they are indeed playing correctly

tawny maple
#

Sure

#

We can agree on that

#

But def not even considering ilvl or wep DPS before a rotation review

lusty grotto
#

yeah agreed

#

just mentioning it in passing

cinder storm
#

Many people went 1h 418 over shield first because they can't press keys then

#

When holding aggro has never been this easy

lusty grotto
#

yeah well

#

ive been absolutely boned on weapon drops so

#

im making weapon on tues

#

fuck it

#

and watch me get something on the vault like always

#

i know my vault luck all too well

cinder storm
#

-30k, just made mine today, shield always was prio for me anyways

lusty grotto
#

weapons/shields/trinkets are the bane of my farming existence

#

nice

cinder storm
#

I'm still rocking a 385 chest if that makes you feel better

lusty grotto
#

theres also the special case of rings

#

where i got the dumb JY ring like 3 weeks before s4 ended lmao

#

after farming, i lost count of how many

civic sand
#

Guys whats the way to go for crafting for prot iam tanking now the RAID ans have Neck and belt whats the third Item ?

steel mauve
#

im usually fairly lucky getting first time drops like good trinkets and stuff out of normal/heroic, and then we get to mythic and i dont see an upgrade in weeks

lusty grotto
#

i get absolutely fucking lucky on alts

#

but never on war

tawny maple
queen fulcrum
#

Yeah I can relate to that, bow 2nd kill on Hunter

cinder storm
#

I think I never got it on S4, but then again, I never really farmed for it

queen fulcrum
#

Warr still running around with 372 boots

cinder storm
#

Like sometimes when you dont actively farm things, you get them dropped faster, biased perspective

#

I've ran 25 cos at least, carrying bunch of people for either chest or ring

fallow nova
#

Do the cobalt damage ring procs contribute to brutal vitality?

rugged mural
#

2nd boss in RLP with Searing Blows, is Spell Block more effective than just Shield Block? Or are the hits all standard melee with a DoT afterwords?

tawny maple
#

The dot is physical

harsh light
#

So, question for the homies who have had the opportunity to go into SBG, has anyone had smoo dot on them and they were in path of killed ritual mob? Happened to me 3 times, 2nd and 3rd i was being very cautios/aware of my position so i wouldnt brick the key

thin furnace
#

they hotfixed the DoT from the ritual of bones so it scales, strats mostly dead now

harsh light
#

I wasnt using the cheese strat

#

Heard he was ass, so i went into him cautiously, to no avail

grim grotto
#

i still have my vault items, because raid tier sets .
i have a 418 crafted leg . and a 402 set leg in vault.
got no tset this week.
i have horn of valor 418 in vault too.
so.. would u take the legs to have 3/4 set pieces and higher chance to have next week 4/4 or would u prefer horn of valor 418 .
i only play m+. i jsut pug raid for sets

lusty grotto
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you need to be smack right in the middle

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the path is substantially narrower than it appears

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if youre having latency issues, it might contribute

harsh light
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Gotcha, no latency but i wasnt smack dab in the middle either

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Might be the factor

grim grotto
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that horn seems strong. even for higher keys as long as i can survive the pull without a defensive trinket

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for the visuals ^^

tulip kelp
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Anyone have a good plater profile for M+ with priority mobs, etc?

past gyro
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do armor spikes embellishments stack?

lusty grotto
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uhh

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you can only spike a shield

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so no

past gyro
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not a cloak too?

lusty grotto
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unless youre planning on dual wielding them, in which case id like to know your secret

proud dock
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anyone know if the Bonemaw's BIg Toe trinket's breathe is just a single proc? does it proc randomly? (seems to have multiple animations, assuming its multiple procs)

past gyro
mighty valley
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good lord spiteful storm is pumping on st raid now

past gyro
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it says unique equipped on it though

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so i dont think u can

lusty grotto
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you can put them on bracers

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but honestly i dont think anyone really does it

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youre blocking an embelish slots for other items

red mulch
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how do you handle he 3rd boss of jade waves since you can't do the staircase anymore? any tricks?

cinder storm
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Same as before, rotate cds and hope your healer is good

red mulch
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can you los the waves or the aoe

tulip kelp
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you just sidestep the thing

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its pretty easy

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not sure how people get hit by it

red mulch
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yeah but mistakes happen

lusty grotto
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sometimes storming is a fickle bitch

cinder storm
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unless a storming knocks you to it, you pretty much have to walk to a wave to die from a wave

lusty grotto
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😎

sick sentinel
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what kills me on bird boss academy?

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i did it on 11 today and that boss destroyed my booty hole

red mulch
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dot

sick sentinel
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one is a goal of fire i think its called, hit for 250k

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then the peck, i guess i just didnt block it

red mulch
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stack IP before boss uses the dot and pool rage

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and you can keep IP when dot is ticking

jade pulsar
proud dock
inland mesa
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Trying to live through 6 to 7 jade hits on a 21 was fun.....

tulip kelp
steel mauve
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does battle stance and defensive stance show up in logs, or what are they categorized as?

viral moth
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does burgeoning seed heal or just give more max hp

steel mauve
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its the same as last stand i believe so both

lusty grotto
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yes they show up as buffs

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iron

steady oar
sick sentinel
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oh, when i saw it hits for 150k physical, i figured thats exactly what your supposed to do

round cliff
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isnt there a trick on the soup to get into an empty phase so u get all the tasks

zealous grove
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Oh SR I’m thinking of. Not block

strong forum
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Savage peck is no longer blockable

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It used to be, but now it's not anymore

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You're now 100% at your healers mercy on Crawth

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You can only SW every 4th peck, other than that your healer has to spam heal you

warm plinth
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I don't think you ever could block it. You could dodge/parry it, but not block it I thought?

strong forum
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Yes it was blockable

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The bleed itself obv wasn't, but the application of it comes with a physical nuke

warm plinth
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Right

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Okay

round cliff
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how come thunderclap takes prio over shield bash during avatar but not during any time else

strong forum
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That shit does 400k dmg on 23 tyr

round cliff
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oh

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wowhead lies

strong forum
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Wowhead is referring to unstoppable force

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When thunderclap does 50% more dmg and has 50% reduced cooldown during avatar

round cliff
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oh i missed the 50% more dmg part

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yes i use unstoppable force

grim nymph
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Is there a way to tank 2nd boss of RLP on +21 or higher?

strong forum
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Cycle cooldowns

grim nymph
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Which ones?

inland raft
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