protection

[prisma crane]

challenge is fine, having specific races/class able to negate it is ugh

[noble lynx]

But bird does the bite every 30sec no?

Or so

And like

How much parry do u even have

[median tulip]

More if playing Immovable Object

[tired pivot]

you can use your other defensives to keep yourself up

[strong forum]

I have 30% parry

[tired pivot]

don't forget you have last stand

[frozen rose]

Big Bird

[tired pivot]

potion

IV

[sand pebble]

Does demo reduce the bleed

[strong forum]

Others have less cuz they're vers nerds

[prisma crane]

i dont think that Nom forgets he has last stand and pots

[sand pebble]

If its on bird before blee

[noble lynx]

Im parrying a lot in my crit haste veng gear as well

[tired pivot]

I think he understated it by saying that you only have shield wall

[pallid quiver]

I only have 24% parry because I don't have as much crit gear as I'd like ;-;

[strong forum]

Yeah and like, bird and 2nd boss rlp are the scariest

Cuz bleeds absolutely fuck us

[median tulip]

The Nerf definitely hurts the Crit Crabs more than the Vers Nerds

[noble lynx]

Yesterday killed that boss on a 21 with healer dead for 2minutes kek

[mellow quartz]

IP spam is big

[prisma crane]

for that type of damage, all of those other things pale in comparison to SW though

[strong forum]

Yeah pwar will just die without a healer on that fight

[noble lynx]

Ruby 2nd boss scary yds

[pallid quiver]

I'm more scared of bleeds than magic damage because there's nothing you can do about them other than CDs

[mellow quartz]

I pretty much play double wall in all dungeons these days

[strong forum]

Like, you can survive a few

[neon elk]

I have far bigger issues with 3rd in jade than bird tbf

[prisma crane]

new bird is different

[tired pivot]

I have only had trouble surviving on my own towards the end of the fight

with high stacks and running out of my own stuff

[prisma crane]

3rd in jade is only 40% of the fight

[strong forum]

If I don't get good SS resets on bird

Ill actually need wogs

[neon elk]

More than enough if people dont wana BL it

[frozen rose]

Hate big bird now

[prisma crane]

they just need to let armor affect it

self heal classes will still be fine, bears have a moment to shine

and we're doing ok

[noble lynx]

Fuck bear

[pallid quiver]

The point of bleeds is to have armor not influence it, but that makes higher keys a little... whack? for balancing, I think

[mortal brook]

with consent, after a nice dinner

[tired pivot]

I would see no problem with having bleeds be affected by armor DR

[noble lynx]

Nah just out into the garbage

[prisma crane]

bleeds are almost always shit, and stand out when you have a way to remove them that's extremely limited

[prisma crane]

i agree, thematically you could argue that a cut on someone in armor wont be as deep as one in cloth

[mortal brook]

cuz yknow bear real competitive rn. theres an entire 3 in the top 400

[noble lynx]

Bleeds being affected by armor dr would be very weird

[prisma crane]

i disagree

you're thinking of already bleeding

[stark pelican]

How do you guys deal with the 2nd boss of RLP on the debuff she gives out.

[obsidian path]

You cry

[prisma crane]

but if you think that the more armor you have teh less the initial injury would be, then the bleed wouldnt be as bad

[finite narwhal]

do war get deleted by claw bird boss in academy? I am healing my friend bdk and it seems fine on +16 +17 and just tried to heal warrior on +14 and I almost didnt keep him on bird

[vivid orchid]

so like rygelon then I suppose

[hazy solar]

What is considered good dps for tanks? I pull around 20k with a 394 item level. My buddy posted a DH tank pulling 30k, not sure their item level though. My toon sims at 30k on raidbots.

[strong forum]

Both are bleeds

[tender cove]

Nah, ask kabum, its not challenging enough

while he's ok with a 55% armor reduction

lel

[tired pivot]

I can't see why armor affecting bleeds would be a problem, when you can shout at someone. And have the damage already on you be reduced

[prisma crane]

sad to say im not as familiar with that boss, but let's say yes 🙂 lol

[strong forum]

So the only way to deal with those is cycling CDs and relying on healer

Bdk doesn't give 2 shits about bleeds

[tired pivot]

it is much more thematic than demoralizing shout affecting bleeds

[strong forum]

Cuz they don't mitigate, they heal

We mitigate

[noble lynx]

Yep

[vivid orchid]

tank debuff total damage is based on how much you mitigate the initial hit, so very similar in style anyway

[trim hill]

Double shield wall, save rage for IPs, last stand, healer cds, make sure you always have demo on boss, health pot, IV

[prisma crane]

agreed

[trim hill]

Gotta use everything you have

[prisma crane]

oh, yes then exactly that

[median tulip]

It's nasty for us because it ignores our active mitigation

[prisma crane]

there was a bleed in ToS that i believe was affected by armor as well

[strong forum]

The bleed in hoa worked like that

[obsidian path]

Like rasz bite last phase

[tired pivot]

yeah, it is absolutely fine, they are just picking and choosing where and how to apply it

[strong forum]

Its bleed was based on the application dmg

[mellow quartz]

They might get 1 shot by the upfront hit on bird now though 🙂

[strong forum]

It still destroyed us

[prisma crane]

i'm much more of a fan of that style, because as it currently stands, this just fucks over any tank that basically isnt a DK

[finite narwhal]

I see, but still, I needed to do 25k hps just to him in +14, felt too much.

[strong forum]

Bdks have other struggles

[vivid orchid]

speaking of bleeds, I found it hilarious that the only serious source of damage I took during broodkeeper was that bleed from the proo-drake

[prisma crane]

bleeds will always be our kryptonite, i get it, but thats why armor affecting it could be interesting

not saying we have to give armor 100% effectiveness, but still

[strong forum]

It's just annoying for us that our primary fuck over is bleed

When no other tank struggles with it as much

But that's just how it is

[prisma crane]

i agree

[obsidian path]

Wait you keep a drake near the boss ?

[mellow quartz]

Brew?

[tired pivot]

bleeds should really be streamlined like other DoTs

[strong forum]

Brew has CB for literally every mechanic in the game

[prisma crane]

we literally have "ignore pain" and plated armor, and bleeds are what gets us...

[strong forum]

They don't care

[jagged pier]

and its cd just got reduced

and now they stagger 45% of magic damage

[whole vortex]

Hello, I have dumb fury warrior question. As a dps I usually just sim every possible gear drop I come across to see if it's better. how do I determine what's better for Prot? still just sim patchwerk and go by ST dps?

[pallid quiver]

Thematically, I think it's right and proper we struggle with bleeds, since it's not something you can technique past, but it does lead to gameplay issues

[noble lynx]

Bleeds are magic right

[median tulip]

He should be prepping for the peck with high IP, DStance and cooldown, and following up with IV and maybe BI or LS to recover

[noble lynx]

For stagger

[strong forum]

Ye

[prisma crane]

ST or 3 or 5 target, yea

[vivid orchid]

they are magic as far as stagger ye

[noble lynx]

breW

[mellow quartz]

We still have IP

[whole vortex]

👍

[median tulip]

Tier > Strength > Haste

[patent osprey]

Damn I go on a 45 min drive and skyhold became a warzone

[pallid quiver]

It happens a lot these days, Plka

[strong forum]

Eh not so much

[patent osprey]

XD lots of hard Rs flying around

[pallid quiver]

this is kinda tame, tbh

[finite narwhal]

Can be ignore pain uptime 90+% here? he was 50% there.

[obsidian path]

Haven't seen one the whole day

[noble lynx]

Thats normal for fel hammer

[prisma crane]

uptime isnt important

[patent osprey]

Wait is hard R not the same Hard Rs im thinking of

[prisma crane]

you'd look more at overcapped rage

[tender cove]

Do you do any dungeons guides btw? Was pretty enjoyable watching you first time yd.

[mellow quartz]

Literally no clue what you are referencing lol

[noble lynx]

Hard is the long n word i think tho but you probably mean the r word xd

Afaik

[median tulip]

The uptime isn't important, it's having it pumped for the tankbuster that matters here

[prisma crane]

i just enjoy watching Pika because he gets just as frustrated at having to call out EVERYTHING for his team as i do

[finite narwhal]

can I see that in details somwhere? 🙂

[patent osprey]

I havent yet because there are so many creators that did it for this season i thought it would be redundant.

[prisma crane]

look at resources generated and wasted, yea

or well, in logs

[patent osprey]

If there is a niche for prot warriors im happy to oblige though

[patent osprey]

Yeah thats what meant haha

[hazy solar]

Anyone know a good reference for tank dps numbers?

[prisma crane]

bigger is better

[patent osprey]

U feel my pain?? Haha

[whole vortex]

Is it worth to do LFR for Tier then?

[tender cove]

What i think there is a lack off in terms of guides? Is more focus on doing the actual dungeons as tank rather than everyone wanting to teach you how to play "x" class.

[mellow quartz]

|—————-|

[prisma crane]

its just stressful, and then when i have a random group that i just tank in its like im on vacation

[finite narwhal]

I cant see wasted resources in details. Is possible there is none?

[prisma crane]

i have to watch everyone but myself

[patent osprey]

Only if the level if content u do is the same difficulty as lfr

[pallid quiver]

Honestly, I'm not good enough to think of anything that would be worthwhile to make Prot War specific content for in M+ atm. It's not like there's much special we can do

[uncut notch]

Plka master of the ways

Do you LS before or after damage

[noble lynx]

Uwu

[prisma crane]

just see rage generated and see if it shows wasted when you hover over, im not online so i cant check, but i know its easy to do in logs

[uncut notch]

I can never remember

[whole vortex]

not aiming higher than heroic for raids, but I was doing keys around 15-17 as fury. a bit above LFR difficulty

[tired pivot]

this really would be useful. I find myself coming here to ask some somewhat basic prot warrior dungeon questions fairly often

[patent osprey]

My teammate trellsky has a guide on every dungeon he posted. It is a bit dated as it was on release and dungeons have changed quite a bit since then but yeah i havent seen many updated ones

[finite narwhal]

there is only this

[prisma crane]

we arguably have a lot of weird niche's they just dont always come to play, stuff like reflects are obvious ones, but also something simple like how most people arent aware that leap resets taunt CD

[patent osprey]

If ur a heroic raider lfr tier is useless

[whole vortex]

Gotcha, thanks

[patent osprey]

Theres alot actually. In the most recent titanforge podcast i went over alot of things prot can do in each dungeon that is nutty

[strong forum]

cries in lfr gloves cuz my patience with dathea with pugs has ended

[median tulip]

It SAYS IT, right on the tooltip

[tired pivot]

wait, leap resets taunt cd?

[prisma crane]

i'd argue less than 5% of ppl read tooltips

[patent osprey]

Prot warrior reflect is almost similar to BFA levels if reflect this season

[prisma crane]

and yes it does

[pallid quiver]

I still have never hit Dathea on Heroic because I refuse to pug that fight

[prisma crane]

i want my legion levels back 😦

[patent osprey]

Spell reflect will single handedly get us nerfed this tier

[tender cove]

yeh, i learned a few tricks yd from you, like intervene on fenryr.

[strong forum]

It's soooo easy but pugs make it hard

It's actually insane

[noble lynx]

I oneshot that thing on my war the first time i got there

[prisma crane]

yes, intervene on stuff that fixates is another great niche we have

[pallid quiver]

it's so funny

[tired pivot]

I never knew, but I always could taunt after leaping, now that I think about it

[patent osprey]

Yeah thats insane tech tbh

[noble lynx]

Into kurog torture chamber

[patent osprey]

Huge dps uptime

[slim dove]

1-3 first 2-4 second bro

[strong forum]

And 2-4 always dies

[pallid quiver]

SR is so funn- oh shoot i forgot about fenryr intervene because i just instinctively build for that

[strong forum]

Always

[slim dove]

heroic dath pugs make me think i need my meds

ALWAYS 2-4

[prisma crane]

used to intervene all the time in Necrotic Wake 3rd boss

[slim dove]

WHY

[median tulip]

My favourite thing this season are the Imp packs in CoS

[patent osprey]

I have to build for improved rally now too it is kinda sad

[pallid quiver]

My favorite thing this season is how extremely butthurt and elitist people get over CoS

[tired pivot]

I have been taking improved rally a lot

[slim dove]

i figured out we can reflect all of the first cast

juicy

[prisma crane]

so wait, improved rally, if i read that right, it increases healing received? that's insanely good

[noble lynx]

Huh

[tired pivot]

it really helps the healer out on the massive bursts

[pallid quiver]

they go way out of their way as DPS to pull whatever the fuck they want and we're doing it this way

and shout at me if i say "hey, let's not do that"

I don't understand why it's only CoS I ever run into players like that on

[patent osprey]

Tbh i stopped reflecting those. Its really cool numbers but dps do so much dmg now that asking them to wait for my reflect is a time loss. Same with TSJ mistweavers

[prisma crane]

wait til you learn to just shockwave early to line up reflects so you can reflect a ton at once

[median tulip]

Yeah, you have to leap in and aggress them all simultaneously, but they basically kill themselves, it's great

[patent osprey]

Cool tech but time loss or no time gain

[noble lynx]

Cause cos doesnt have a route

Youre at the mercy of items and enforcer spawns

[tired pivot]

honestly the most broken reflect in CoS is the whip form the succubus w/e her name is

[patent osprey]

I can pull almost exactly the same pack every COS i do

[tired pivot]

she loses like 30% hp

[prisma crane]

yea that thing hurts

[patent osprey]

Almost exactly the same way to

[pallid quiver]

tell that to those DPS I run with

Who assure you there's no RNG and they know how to not go over-count ever, idiot tank

[noble lynx]

But imagine in a pug where you have access to variable amount of items

[prisma crane]

CoS route changes depending on buffs and placement of the special mobs (name escapes me)

[noble lynx]

You can only summon the healing thing, if not up you play 3 enforcer etc

[patent osprey]

Ive done 48 COS at this point to finally get my whetstone

[pallid quiver]

but yeah i just generally intend to hit the least amount of stuff possible and just kill what people body or "body" pull

[tired pivot]

enforcers can indeed change them, but you can usually pull mostly the same things

[prisma crane]

but tbh it feels like this time around, vs back in legion, the route is more consistent

[pallid quiver]

that generally will get you count in a pug

[patent osprey]

All buffs in my route all happen haha so its fine no matter which buff appear

[median tulip]

I'm usually under count in CoS

[noble lynx]

Idk cos is always yolo

[vivid orchid]

the trick with cos routing is more to do with 1 vs 2 enforcer + early vs late enforcer, the route has felt very consistent otherwise

[prisma crane]

i actually think CoS is great design in that way, so many options on what to and what not to pull

[hazy solar]

Found this about tank dps if anyone else is interested. https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/69301-dragonflight-pre-patch-dps-tank-and-healer-log-rankings-week-1/

[tired pivot]

the only big question of CoS is whether to take the 1st add or not

[noble lynx]

The what

[tired pivot]

even in 20's I still sometimes run into a person who tells me not to do it

[prisma crane]

its pretty old

[median tulip]

But I prefer to take the interactibles rather than the enforcers to pull the minibosses

[tired pivot]

the one guy at the doors when you land in CoS

[vivid orchid]

its safer and more efficient to use interactibles

[fast knot]

Always skip guard

[prisma crane]

depends, if you can pull the trash with the enforcers its not bad

[tired pivot]

the guard does nothing tho

[fast knot]

I swear to god every other run someone gets cleaved on stairs

[tired pivot]

and dies with the whole pack

[noble lynx]

Oh you cc it if possible its jusg annoying

[fast knot]

🙂

[tired pivot]

it helps with %

[noble lynx]

Its in the way and too far away from anything

[tired pivot]

I think it gives you the best % for pulls

nah, you just ignore it and do your pull

when it gets up

it dies before the construct anyway

[prisma crane]

hot take but i still think the way legion M+ played was still the most fun

had most creativity

[median tulip]

There's one Enforcer spawn that I hate in particular; the nearest one to where you enter, because there's so few places to LOS it and the tree doesn't count

[prisma crane]

on the left? just use the doors to the houses nearby

[vivid orchid]

^

[prisma crane]

or drag to the center planters

[patent osprey]

There is a half pillar on the left wall. Just use that everytime

[prisma crane]

also that

[noble lynx]

I just pull it to the bazaar goods

Kinda

[prisma crane]

i just use the door because its what i used in Legion, so old habit i guess

[tired pivot]

I always put every enforcer in the center path

[median tulip]

Skip that first guy, and skip the one robot at the top of the stairs after the first boss

[prisma crane]

but lately yea i've been doing that @tired pivot because most random ppl understand that location at least now

[median tulip]

I'll have to find that, thanks

[prisma crane]

also easier to spread there on quaking wks

[tired pivot]

yeah, it is the most well known

and you have time to get it there

[prisma crane]

yea plenty

[tired pivot]

works best when you don't have comms

[tired pivot]

that is a thing I do sometimes, when we have a rogue who knows how to do that skip

[prisma crane]

i miss the old version of the engi orb that just deactivated those things

man the last few xpacs have been shit to engineers

makes me feel stupid to keep it

[tired pivot]

engineering has only really been relevant for cr, since I started playing in bfa

[glacial ivy]

Got 20 nokhund any suggestion ?

[prisma crane]

we used to have a lock w/ the perma corruption just put it on that one at the top of the stairs and it'd just die as we did other shit lol

[glacial ivy]

Atleast for a start?

@patent osprey

[prisma crane]

yea, went from the most important one imaginable back in MoP-Legion down to garbage now

[glacial ivy]

Should i go with big pat pack and catapult pack pull and lust

[prisma crane]

with how work orders work and so many consumable engi items i think they should be much better again

gliders in dungeons was so much fun

[tired pivot]

the double pull is very risky with raging

on a 20

[glacial ivy]

So better pat pack with lust

Pull only

[vivid orchid]

ez-throw bombs seem to be separate to potion cds so that means theyre usable I'd think

whether theyre good is another matter

[tired pivot]

I am not too sure on what the best way to do NO is

[prisma crane]

you'd have to have a lot of ppl who are able to tranq as well as STRONG dmg and CCs imo

[tired pivot]

I just know that I have not yet seen the double pull work

[glacial ivy]

Gonna have to look some streams

[prisma crane]

tbh just lust and burn that first one fast and chain into the catapult one

[glacial ivy]

Any changes for prot warrior in 10.05?

[tired pivot]

you have to remember that your pugs will probably not play it well enough

[prisma crane]

once the archers are taken out the pull gets much easier

[tired pivot]

not really, that one talent that gives minor avatar and shield wall got buffed

but we don't play it

[flat jackal]

The 3rd boss in temple. Is that a healing issue or is there a way tanks can deal with?

[tired pivot]

you have to use your cooldowns very responsibly there, but you will never deal with it on your own

[patent osprey]

Yarp! If your feeling spicey u can do the catapult beside the large pat pull and lust it all. Dont recommend unless ur all in coms for stops

[whole vortex]

Does the frostfire belt fire damage proc raid ring often enough that it makes a significant difference for survivability?

[prisma crane]

this reads like it increases dmg and healing instead of more HP

which sounds really good

[flat jackal]

Yah, i use wall, spell block, reflect, etc

[glacial ivy]

Cool thanks!

[flat jackal]

i just seem to be at 20% with the debuff still

and idk what to do

[tired pivot]

if you pop shield wall

you should not have to pop anything else

at that point your healer has to pitch in

[flat jackal]

Ah, then it's a healing issue then

[strong forum]

healer issue

the healer has to outheal the absorb

[patent osprey]

Tank issue

[prisma crane]

its not that big of a deal, most people take that belt for the other ring, not the shield one

[strong forum]

otherwise youll just flop

[flat jackal]

every time healers get mad at me for not dealing with it LOL

[patent osprey]

Tank has to hit CDs or tank will flop

[tired pivot]

just reroll dk for that boss

easy

[strong forum]

he just said he used CDs

at that point he can do nothing else

but watch

[flat jackal]

I roll through spell block, IV, wall, last stand, pots, healthstone, etc.

[glacial ivy]

Yup

[flat jackal]

but the debuff is still there @.@

[glacial ivy]

You havr to time demo shout

[patent osprey]

Yeah but did he use them right and in rotation 🙂

[glacial ivy]

With stacked ignore pain

[flat jackal]

🙂

[glacial ivy]

And you are good

Spell reflect always

[flat jackal]

I do that

[glacial ivy]

If you dont have shout last stand or shield wall

[patent osprey]

The thing with Prot Warrior Cds is they are all proactive and not reactive. So if you have no plan you will die. Just like all the bosses in ruby

[strong forum]

thats not enough rakula, your healer needs to have his setup ready to spam you insta

[tired pivot]

other than shield wall, you should have 2 cd's per kick

[strong forum]

even if you play perfectly your healer has to top you

[eternal marsh]

yesterday i saw a weakaura that tells you which spells are reflectable does anyone know that WA

[glacial ivy]

Yeah but i thinks its from both side

[whole vortex]

So I'm not hard inting if I craft myself double potion absorption inhibitor and just blast Shocking Disclosure pots with 20% uptime?

[patent osprey]

Also dont really pair Reflect with shield wall for that boss. Try to alternate them

Reflect + SW is overkill

And will make u dry on others

[prisma crane]

that's up to you, but na, i wouldnt pick the belt solely for that shield

also damn, that change to the last boss in SMBG imo shouldnt have increased the dmg so much as just make the dot last a minimum amount of time

[tired pivot]

I have found that in my runs, popping shield wall 1st, IV and Spellblock 2nd, Last Stand and Rally 3rd, then external and w/e I have left for 4th is usually enough

[prisma crane]

this will just fuck over less good players more than anything else

[tired pivot]

mix and match a bit based on what your healer offers in terms of externals/burst heals

I add health potion where I feel I am not getting topped fast enough as well

IP capped ofc

on each

[severe hatch]

These Fury changes that make Ravager affected by Anger Management - no shot this affects prot as well, does it?

[prisma crane]

doubtful at best

[tame basin]

having real issues tanking second boss in RLP

[severe hatch]

I know the Bloodsurge change to Arms in beta affected us

[tired pivot]

aren't we all

[strong forum]

fury only

[tired pivot]

Even with dwarf racial, letting me skip a 4 stacked dot, I am finding that boss incredibly difficult

[pallid quiver]

they should make it affect prot, too; it'd be funny

[severe hatch]

Poor ol' underpowered pwarr

[tired pivot]

2nd boss rlp is probably the hardest boss for pwar atm

honestly, evoker + dwarf lets you just skip that boss

Lol

too bad my healer is a disc

[pallid quiver]

How far away are the Searing blow casts, again? They could technically clear two bleeds from that if they use Stasis

[tired pivot]

pain suppress is actually really good as well

[pallid quiver]

As long as there's less than 30s between

[tired pivot]

it kinda lets you skip an entire dot as well

the 50% damage reduction does not fuck around

they will get 2 charges with the new buffs

I am looking forward to it

[patent osprey]

If u figure out Jade temple 3rd boss, use the same rotation for 2nd boss rlp and you will be fine

[tired pivot]

rlp boss hurts a lot more, doesn't he?

I feel that you can't go in with a rotation

[strong forum]

spell block and spell reflect dont work on that one

[tired pivot]

and just act based on how many stacks any rota gives you

[vivid orchid]

the bleed is much more painful yes

[mystic radish]

Whats your opinion on taking spell block all the time over nails? O: Feels like nearly every dungeon got hard hitting magic shit ._.

[pallid quiver]

2nd boss RLP is so much harder because the DPS can choose to cut off movement options you have with the boulders if you aren't accounting for them being suicidal

[strong forum]

so uh yeh

[patent osprey]

Reflect dr still works

So its the same

[strong forum]

no its a bleed

SR doesnt work on bleeds

[patent osprey]

Yeah. Ur sw or Last stand carry the bleed portions but both are healer reliant

So its the same kinda rotation of your major cds

[tired pivot]

thing is, you don't need SW on 3 stacks

the lesser cd's will usually do

well, I haven't done it on the obscene key levels

22-23

I was fine without it on 20

tho I did use more than 1 lesser cd

[median tulip]

The only changes I really want for Protection are pathway changes. Remove the pathways leading from Challenging Shout and the FbV/BrV node to Shield Wall (which are irrelevant because everyone takes Rend anyway); swap the positions of Bolster and Bloodbourne and put a pathway from Bloodsurge to Bloodbourne, and a pathway from Instigate to Thunderlord.

[weary python]

Which phial is everyone running in raid?

[tired pivot]

it does scale a lot from 20 to 21 so it might have been justified

[median tulip]

Vers

[tired pivot]

I haven't gotten to that boss in a 21 yet

pugs tend to fail on 1st boss

[tame basin]

maybe my talent are just wrong for it tbh

[oak ivy]

If neither are active, Shield Block > IP ?

[tired pivot]

depends on type of damage coming in

shield block if you are taking any melee damage

[oak ivy]

ahhhh right

[median tulip]

in almost all cases, Shield Block is more important

[tired pivot]

there are a lot of cases where the other applies

last boss CoS for example

[median tulip]

There aren't many places where melee damage is completely absent

[tired pivot]

you are right

I forgot that it buffs your damage

[mighty valley]

if you think for any time at all about the rage cost : rough damage prevention ratios of SB to IP

it's astronomical

[tired pivot]

SB being up lets you keep up IP more efficiently as well

[solid matrix]

Can't seem to find a good spot to sim if it's better to use 2 set + higher ilvl pieces or use a lower ilvl 4 set. I don't have the 4th piece so raidbots isn't much help. Didn't see anything in guides.

[mighty valley]

4set is all defensive basically, can't really sim that

[tired pivot]

it is not very good defensive either

[mighty valley]

just have to feel it out

[solid matrix]

figured 5% constant addition to IP would be decent

[tired pivot]

it is okay

you don't always have ip up

[mighty valley]

the good part is in content where your IP is frequently wiped, the 4pc bonus activates it and lets brutal vitality be active more often

[zealous grove]

I don’t feel like my IP ever “runs out”

Or, RARELY runs out I should say

Mostly it falls off cause I want more revenge.

[mighty valley]

IP uptime isn't really a thing, it's so contextual

[zealous grove]

I treat it like a defensive, so running a constant 5% addition doesn’t seem so great to me

[tired pivot]

the big thing to consider is your damage

[mighty valley]

you should treat it as your overflow rage spender

[tired pivot]

it is very much just a spender you throw your rage into to heal and reduce avatar

well, outside of the obvious places where it is important to keep up

[mighty valley]

it's spectacularly inefficient, but when our rage income is super high, it adds up to a decent damage buffer

[tired pivot]

as Harrow said, very contextual

[mighty valley]

and yes, spending rage is a universal good for anger management and outburst

and indom

[zealous grove]

I did not realise VO was even a thing until the other day

Got a WA for it and now my rage is like 100% better hah

Just need to drastically improve my demo shout usage now

[tulip kelp]

VO?

[fast knot]

Violent Outburst

[wooden widget]

hey do you guys take spell block for azure vault?

[fast knot]

200% damage, 100% rage gen and IP

[tulip kelp]

Oh, I thought it was just the damage

[jade pulsar]

Damage mark?

[fast knot]

any monk does it

[brisk sandal]

All monks can do that

[mighty valley]

please think of your friendly recently buffed mistweavers

[wooden widget]

hey do you guys take spell block for azure vault?

[fast knot]

I haven't ran a high enough Vault to give decent feedback but I felt like it wasn't really needed

At least from like ~16ish

unlike shit like RLP and Jade

[wooden widget]

alright ty!

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys does spell block make a huge diffrent in rlp and jade ?

[mighty valley]

yes

[fast knot]

First boss is going to bend you over without it

in RLP

3rd boss as well to cover the second phase

for Temple*

in addition to the Doubt pack before Sha

[sick sentinel]

Tbh i did both dungs 19 didnt find it hard or its a low key ?

But if i do take it would be easier

Ye ?

[fast knot]

You'll make your healer's life easier

Really about how much your dps can crank the boss from 70-30

[mighty valley]

"low key" is relative to your group strength

basically it's another strong CD

if you don't need it you don't need it

but if you start to be like "i die on the 3rd boss/the sha" then it's a talent to look at

[chrome falcon]

by first boss i guess you mean the book?

i honestly don't think spell block helps on the panda boss at all

[fast knot]

the first boss in RLP

[sick sentinel]

One more thing does details count the shield block uptime the whole dung even between pulls or only in combat ?

[chrome falcon]

i mean it's not bad but

[fast knot]

Didn't really format that well mb

[chrome falcon]

you're gonna reduce one initial hit

by 30%?

[astral crystal]

I’ve done up to 19 tyrannical timed, not needed up to that point but maybe on fort weeks it’d be more useful if you’re taking shards to the face

[chrome falcon]

that can't be worth a talent point

[willow valley]

ive never specced spell block which feels bad, just learned about it oops. But idk how to really learn where to use it, is there a good resource for it (or what mobs use spells vs not?)

[chrome falcon]

i also don't know if it's necessary for first boss RLP

with good cooldown rotation

[mighty valley]

the spell reflect sheet in the pins also lists what can be spell blocked

[fallen pulsar]

spell block is the best jade temple talent

[chrome falcon]

i mean i guess it's worth a talent point there but still eh

yeah in TJS i'd definitely run it

just for the book boss

[willow valley]

ty!

[chrome falcon]

that thing is fucking stupid

does it work on dark claw?

[tender cove]

Just curious, how many m+ have you guys done by now? most of you top guys have hundreds of runs right?

[mighty valley]

i don't know if it's "necessary" anywhere but if damage isn't your problem at a key level and dying to spell blockable effects are, it's a place to look

yeah it does i believe

[chrome falcon]

probably about 100 runs at this point? i've done almost everything on 20 both weeks now

[willow valley]

dark claw is the fucked shit at the end of TJS right?

[mighty valley]

i'm nowhere near a top guy and i've lost count

[chrome falcon]

yes

[vivid orchid]

dark claw fucks

[fast knot]

from Doubts

[fading tide]

About to tank a 18 HOV and never tanked higher then a 15 ruby, am I fucked?

[chrome falcon]

idk i have 30 of the 16+ focus and like 70 of the 11+ focus

no

just don't be stupid on hyrja

and don't get hit by stupid shit

[mighty valley]

HOV is reasonable and more of a healer check than tank check

[cunning knot]

dont use the shield too early like I did todat

[tender cove]

damn xD

[chrome falcon]

curse of being raid lead and guild tank

[fading tide]

Stupid on hyrja? What would that be?

[chrome falcon]

i basically have to answer any time someone pings @ tank in discord

[mighty valley]

don't get hit by sanctify

[chrome falcon]

i mean just don't get hit by balls and make sure you use CDs on the tank buster

[mighty valley]

use rally on whichever storm your healer will struggle with

[cunning knot]

get pushed to other side on tank smack

[fading tide]

That shield beam is the tank buster?

[chrome falcon]

yes

[round cliff]

how do i sim what gems to put in my lariat?

[mighty valley]

yeah, it does mad damage

[fading tide]

Double shield wall for HOV?

[willow valley]

hope your group is good enough to do funny wolf also, not much you can do as tank tho

[chrome falcon]

you probably won't time it if you don't have experience in the dungeon

the timer is tight

no

never double shield wall

[tender cove]

So do you think wow is mechically hard or just easy but repetitive and its more about banging your head against the wall rather than actual skill?

[chrome falcon]

"wow" in this context could mean 3 totally different things

[cunning knot]

spell reflect and ignore pain should let you survive it at 20s

[chrome falcon]

raid, m+, or pvp?

[fading tide]

What’s funny wolf?

[chrome falcon]

the giant wolf

[willow valley]

FNRYR

fenryr*

[chrome falcon]

90% of raid encounters are mechanically very easy, high m+ can require a lot of mechanical skill but honestly i think anyone who spends as much time as "top m+ players" could do almost as well as they do, and pvp is very very skill intensive at highest levels

[tender cove]

in general. Personally i think its bit of both, some mechanics are hard, some just need a lot of practice and part of it is time commitment like anything else.
But sense i hear pretty much 90% in here say how easy and faceroll and this and that. It made me curious how you view it yourself

[chrome falcon]

i find almost everything in wow very very easy

[cinder storm]

How do you do the double spear strat on first boss nokgud?

[chrome falcon]

but like

i've been doing this shit for 16 years so

[vivid orchid]

answer is definitely both tbh, reflecting on 18 years lol

[mighty valley]

most pve challenges are just a big pile of knowledge you need to keep in your mind, plus react to variance, while keeping your normal set of plates spinning at all times. it's just trying to mentally overload you and practice is generally the way to have most things become second nature, so you don't get fucked by them while trying to accomplish novel tasks, especially ones that involve communication or covering for someone else's mistake using your lesser used tools

[unkempt pollen]

4 set worth downgrading from m ilvl to normal :|?

[willow valley]

half of wow is setting up your ui / WAs 😦

[mighty valley]

in almost all content, no one task is "mechanically hard"

[chrome falcon]

for survivability sure, for damage no

you honestly don't need 4 set until like

20s

and even then it's kinda overkill

so if you're just doing HC raid and weekly keys

you can just wear ilvl for dps

[round cliff]

do we even use lariat?

[fading tide]

d stance for 18 the whole run?

[tender cove]

I think this is a pretty good take, yeh.

[unkempt pollen]

for mythic prog

[fading tide]

Or bosses only

[chrome falcon]

if you're a fuckin coward sure

[unkempt pollen]

i mean set bonus seems good but im 410 so idk

[cosmic chasm]

lmfao

[unkempt pollen]

d stance does not exsist

[chrome falcon]

there are 2 packs i go into d stance for

in this entire expansion

and that's on 20+

[fading tide]

Never went higher then 15 but fuck it I’m no bitch

[fast knot]

If you need it to survive something go into it

[unkempt pollen]

the mobs before last boss in tojs

do it nekkid

[fast knot]

otherwise play battle stance

[chrome falcon]

^

just play in d stance

and then if you realise

oh my hp is never below 90%

change to b stance

[vivid orchid]

I use dstance like a brake pedal basically

[mighty valley]

if you're likely to forget to turn on dstance for tankbusters because you're not used to ever switching, we'll forgive you for staying in it rather than dying. but 90-100% of any given dungeon does not need you to be in dstance.

[chrome falcon]

i don't even have dstance on a key bind

[late trellis]

First boss of ruby life pools, do you spam ignore pains or do you need to keep up shield block?

[chrome falcon]

yes

[late trellis]

if all she's doing is casting frigid shard?

[chrome falcon]

to both

[mighty valley]

keep up shield block always

[chrome falcon]

she is not just doing frigid shard

she is also meleeing

and shield block is dps anyway

[vivid orchid]

block = dps

[chrome falcon]

you can easily keep 100% sb uptime

while also spamming IP

[late trellis]

gotcha, i'll keep doing that thanks!

she and 2nd boss r so annoying

[chrome falcon]

run spell block

for RLP

[late trellis]

yeah i do

[mighty valley]

i'm surprised frigid shard isn't blockable like NW last boss

[median tulip]

She melees if she has nothing else to do. So not very much

[chrome falcon]

and just rotate cooldowns

i normally go like

SR, facetank one, IV, facetank one, then SW, facetank until SW is gone, then SR is back up, then IV again

and by then she should do a shield phase

and you can get all your CDs back up

[vivid orchid]

spell blockable apparently

[mighty valley]

yeah, "caster bosses" have just historically done physical damage often

[willow valley]

what is frigid shard

[vivid orchid]

yeah this ones weird

[willow valley]

is that the aoe blowup sucky

[vivid orchid]

nah single target nuke

[willow valley]

oh didnt realize she had a tank buster oops

also whats IV?

jk jk

impending victory

[round cliff]

if mastery is so dog for us how come ++mastery/+haste gems sim so high in lariat

[mighty valley]

1. the gem element matters most for the lariat proc 2) often your lowest stat sims well for dps

this is why we say ilvl > all, the gaps are not that big

the defensive part of mastery is just highly variable and overall not impressive tbh

[round cliff]

but the gem element could be vers/haste and still proc haste

and vers is better than mastery for us

[mighty valley]

either the sim is wrong or it's more complicated than "vers > mastery"

or sims can't capture realistic scenarios perfectly idk

[compact jackal]

Do the SMBG changes have any actual route changes I should know?

[radiant robin]

How much should i spam igno pain? Compared to revenge. Kinda struggling to find a rule of thumb.

[light jetty]

Does anyone have a WA for tracking 4 piece uptime?

[mighty valley]

if you're going to overcap rage, press IP so you don't

that's all

[radiant robin]

Otherwise on revenge?

[mighty valley]

yes, make sure you have enough rage so you're using every GCD to press a button

[radiant robin]

In keys i gotta sax

[mighty valley]

then extra rage beyond that, aside from keeping up SB, goes to IP

[slim dove]

2% short from usual route

pull 2x spiders, exhumer, or beginning void dude

[deft pagoda]

Does anybody know what the mass interrupt spell is called?

[radiant robin]

So in keys sb - igno pain - revenge?

[mighty valley]

do you know what I mean by "gcd"?

[radiant robin]

Ye

[mighty valley]

so you're not choosing between revenge and SB/IP

[slim dove]

its a talent for challenging shout called disrupting shout iirc

[mighty valley]

you want to be pressing something for every single GCD (mostly shield slam > thunderclap > revenge)

[deft pagoda]

Thanks

[mighty valley]

while you're doing that, when you have extra rage to spend, spend it on IP so you never hit the cap

since IP is not on the GCD

[radiant robin]

Ok i think i got it

But sb is prio ragewise

[mighty valley]

Yeah, but with the right talents you don't need to press SB that often to keep it up full time

[radiant robin]

Ok prolly got to read a bit into talent section more. Just starting. Thy!

[mighty valley]

glhf!

[fallen pulsar]

CoS purple lines are so nice

ngl

[slim dove]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[fallen pulsar]

makes it so much easier to see

[fast knot]

Timewalking SMBG Ritual of Bones hit me for 40k lmao

15k hp pool, good shit

[fallen pulsar]

yeah the scaling for the timewalking is hilarious

[sick sentinel]

i got carried on the cos and av and we still didn't time av

but, this was a me situation where i did the completely wrong play, didn't follow protocol , healer says, i should stay near the wall for last boss

prot channel says save leap

[fallen pulsar]

bird boss in AA glitched and wont come down

this is what happens when you buff boss

[sick sentinel]

is there ever a strat wher you just stay red on bird boss AA

and never go blue

[fallen pulsar]

screech much ouch

[sick sentinel]

probably easy

[radiant robin]

Do we also use glacial fury in keys or the strength x mobs one

[sick sentinel]

if you get the train one immediately leave

there is a faint orange ring mechanic that hits for 90k when it lands, they give you maybe 9 k hp as tank, this is in TW

[fallen pulsar]

I use strength x mobs

[sick sentinel]

so, it just straight up deletes anyone, and its hard to see, and then poof, the warlock is gone, aint worth it

[gritty swallow]

is there any way to reflect every cast of conductive strike from last boss of nokhud? i feel like even when i pre-SR its still like .2 seconds too long a cd

[fast knot]

Mortars

overkilled me at 15k for 20k

[toxic pewter]

damn I really do not like hyrja fight

[weak snow]

totem master trinket decent in m+ ?

[runic sparrow]

you can reflect atleast the first 4 if you time it correctly

spell reflecting about 3-3.5 seconds before first cast lets you get it up in time for them

[gritty swallow]

alright ty

[timber slate]

does spell reflect absorb 100% of the damage?

[gritty swallow]

just gotta pop it earlier even tho i have fear of it running out

[runic sparrow]

it absorbs and reflects 100% of conductive strike yes

[gritty glen]

Ruby Whelp Shell, shit, meh, or good?

[sick sentinel]

reflect is like parry, the spell fizzles and you take no damage

instead, it get reflected and goes back on them, they cast it on themself

[fathom goblet]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=200676/static-charged-scale or https://www.wowhead.com/item=133647/gift-of-radiance ?

395 vs 398 ilvl

[sick sentinel]

you dont get an absorb with spellreflect

[runic sparrow]

i think he means it absorbs as in the damage does not go through

[timber slate]

Yes thanks

[sick sentinel]

you do however get 20% reduction to magic while reflect and until it goes off or both, you could use it to deal with soak balls type boss

[karmic plinth]

Conductive makes the thundering strike deal more dmg. Both can be reflected. So if u don't have it up for the conductive. You might have it for the thundering strike comming after.

[runic sparrow]

Worth noting that conductive strike does significantly more damage than thundering strike though

And if you reflect thundering strike you won't have it up for next conductive, making it more worth to not reflect on that cycle and save it for the next conductive.

[karmic plinth]

I just learned that I have been reflecting the wrong spell all the time lol. Ty mate

[fathom goblet]

anyone good at reading logs to help me understand it ?

[timber slate]

Do you ever use execute? I'm thinking of dropping it completely from my main actionbar

[mighty valley]

between all of us, we have at least one working brain

[timber slate]

It's occupying my precious keys..

[brave portal]

I spam execute on bosses all the time when it hits that phase

never on mobs

[mighty valley]

it's not as beefy as it used to be but it's still worth using, especially in raid

[steady steppe]

shield slam execute over and over feels so nice

[brave portal]

^^

[urban portal]

def should not spam it

[brave portal]

and usually the healer is dead, 2 dps are dead and you are smashing execute hoping the boss dies because this pug is fucking horrid.

[urban portal]

need to keep tc and ss on cd

need to keep tier up with revenge

execute is last in prio

[grim nymph]

What in the blistering fuck is the second boss (and last boss) of RLP?
Just tanked it for the first time and they're crazy

Infernocore on the last boss ticks people straight from 100 to 0

[fallen pulsar]

what level key do you need to push to get to 2500 io

like across the board

[timber slate]

I think the only scenario its useful is you are trying to clutch some boss with few people

In other cases keeping your shields up is more important imo

[urban portal]

keeping your shield up is easy

[brave portal]

well when i say I spam it - as a tank survivability is always number 1 - so always shield block / IP before it, but its good to chunk down some dps if its needed.

[steady steppe]

17s? maybe

idk

~312 rating per dungeon

[grim nymph]

The bleed on second boss of RLP is nasty. Killed me through demo shout

What do you guys use for CDs on him?

I went demo shout + avatar -> wall -> demo shout + trinket -> last stand + external -> demo shout (dead)

Was a +21

[mint gulch]

yeah it's brutal

it's magic so SR will help

[grim nymph]

It's a bleed

[mint gulch]

is it?

you're super right

[cinder storm]

Yeah a 300 yds bleed

Might as well hearth

[steel mauve]

take plenty of bandages, they stop bleeding!

[grim nymph]

wait what

[brisk gust]

I’m barely pressing IP in m+, ofc i press it when i have alot of rage but other than that i just use SS, TC, Revenge. Is it Only me or?

[strong forum]

dont play barbaric training

[brisk gust]

I do 20s comfortabely

[strong forum]

if you stop playing that youll have loads of rage for IP

[brisk gust]

I don’t play that

[strong forum]

then you dont press enough buttons

idk

[brisk gust]

I have 4 set, feels like pressing IP is waste of pressing something else, I press it obv but not as often as a few streamers like Nerftank for example

[mighty valley]

you're missing something, you should have enough rage to be filling every GCD plus IP on top

[cinder storm]

Without a log one can only assume

But it's hard not to press IP since we get so much rage now

[steel mauve]

im usually drowning in rage and cant bleed it fast enough

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I feel bad when I cap with a VO procc because I was slow either pressing IP or revenge

[brisk gust]

Hmm gotta play a few 20s and log it then

[tender cove]

Another warr tank trial in the guild today told me wild shit, about a few things... But his way to never overcapping? Not using SB and spamming all rage in IP.
He did press SB/Rev occasionally but was complete starved waiting for stuff to press AND sitting in dstance

[mighty valley]

???????????????????

[true hound]

So. I just tried to use spell reflect to deal more damage to Raging Tempest. It works surprisingly well and easy

[tender cove]

You tell me, i'm also trial and only mentioned you need blockuptime high, for dps, fpr AM/Indom etc

[true hound]

Also a way to go out and grab balls before exploding without having to worry, while also dealing extra damage.

[tender cove]

and he's the type of player "who dont read meta guides" and goes on "what feels good"... Bitter immunity feels good, so good in fact, he never used it once in NO

[mighty valley]

how can anything "feel good" when there are times when you cannot press any buttons

[true hound]

But there are times where we cant press anything though.

[tender cove]

No idea. Just thought about it now and decided to share (he's not in here anyhow)

I need to spy but I also think he's using the rev 50% increase talent

[true hound]

Which i find anoying. Bosses/mobs, that dont hit you with physcal you barely regen any rage. So the only thing you can do is wait for SS and TC to come off cd

[empty axle]

Quick Question, is there a Soft Haste Cap for Prot Warriors?

[tender cove]

so its starved but surpisngly enough @mighty valley he didnt really struggle much with staying alive, he had problems, but it wasn't so much warrior stuff

[mighty valley]

that really shouldn't be happening, almost every time I miss a GCD it's because of some fuckup I can identify

[true hound]

Not so weird. Everyone and their grandmother can survive as prot war nowadays.

[sleek gulch]

No reason to waste rage on shield block in Temple 2nd boss right? Its just all magic attacks, so all should be spent on IP?

[strong forum]

SB still increases SS dmg

[true hound]

A test i did in a +11 where we boosted some alts. Popping spell reflect, walk out of melee range, watch the boss cast Wind Burst, walk back in.

[sleek gulch]

I just mean pure surviability wise

If like the group is fucking melting and im trying to help the healer out

SB does nothing defensively vs that boss, right?

[strong forum]

get the buff on the healer

and the boss turns into piss

infinite hps

turns out getting infinite stacks of +25% healing done ramps up quite alot

[sleek gulch]

Its not a stacking buff right? Just the damage?

[strong forum]

only the healing stacks

[sleek gulch]

Isnt it just a flat 25%?

o

[strong forum]

the healing infinitely stacks

the dmg buff doesnt

so you just slap that onto the healer and enjoy your 2million hps

[round cliff]

mastery/haste better than verse/crit boots?

i know what sims higher but whats better for tanking

[cinder storm]

Ilvl

[strong forum]

if its ilvl upgrade

[round cliff]

same ilvl

just diff stats

[strong forum]

obv

then whatever sims higher

[cinder storm]

Then what sims higher

[strong forum]

the diff between is negligble

[sleek gulch]

holy pally adad spam try not to pass the debuff again challenge impossible

[steady steppe]

does resto sham have poison dispell??

[toxic pewter]

They have a totem that can do it now afaik

but most dont take prob

[cinder storm]

Good for tree boss at least

[toxic pewter]

yah true

[round cliff]

every shaman ive seen only takes it for tree boss

bitter immunity gets rid of poison

use that

[steady steppe]

yea im gonna assume thats why i just got shit on on tree boss with a shammy

[cinder storm]

Lol no

[strong forum]

shaman can remove 1 stack of poison with totem

not the entire debuff

[toxic pewter]

lol is that it

[strong forum]

only 1 stack

[toxic pewter]

dang

[steady steppe]

LMAO

[cinder storm]

Not taking it for one instance in a whole dungeon

[round cliff]

well then stop COMPLAINING

[strong forum]

so no, shaman alone cant kill tree boss unless you have mad pumpers in the group

you need someone else to poison dispel you

[cinder storm]

Complaining about what?

I've been doing tree with a disc and no bitter immunity nor detox day one

[toxic pewter]

I have yet to actually use bitter immunity lol

[sick sentinel]

priest healer bis once again due to mass dispell

[mystic fog]

bleh 394 ilvl i only did 26k dps for halls of valor 16

[true hound]

Then you do something wrong

[mystic fog]

yes i know

i guess im not chaining enough CDS with demoshout

[true hound]

most likely doing small pulls

[mystic fog]

or something idk.. highest ive ever done is 32k in a dungeon

[oak ivy]

how does that buff even work it claimed to be doing like 400k damage per tick to me at one point

[sick sentinel]

but like, some hybrid healers get to spec into dispell de buff type on allies

[true hound]

With all the mobs after first boss, you can just constantly chain as soon as the casters in the pack your dealing with are dead

[sick sentinel]

so thats a reason to bring them over pure dps possibly

[true hound]

Also, this week. Big pull before first boss with BL will net you quite a lot higher overall dps. Dont need BL for first boss, and using it on first pull is not only very effective, but you will also get it back in time for either of the other two bosses

[mystic fog]

we nearly wiped to the wolf pack

err wolf boss

[sick sentinel]

i know paladin and i think priest and monk for example can take dispell whatever in class talents as dps

[mighty valley]

on fort weeks the wolf pack is the wolf boss

[true hound]

People dont know how to spread for leap and stack for soak in a +16, so that doesnt surprise me.

[mystic fog]

also two dps died during the first boss by standing in lightning

but we did time it which was good, im just disappointed at my dps

[true hound]

Been farming halls, and the amount of times i've been alone or with 1 more alive after either of the last 3 bosses is way too high.

A thing that a lot of players do wrong is to not press their cds often enough. Whats your avatar uptime? Another thing a lot of warriors also do wrong is not dumping rage to reset avatar and get violent outburst procs

[cinder storm]

Most likely sitting in dstance

[mystic fog]

avatar uptime was 40% for the dungeon

[true hound]

That's also a thing yeah.

Then your avatar uptime is fine

Only time i ever swap to dstance is during mechanics i know hit hard

[sick sentinel]

Does details track avatar and shield block only while in combat or the whole dung even while running ?

[mystic fog]

yea i only swapped to defensive for the fenrir and hyrja

[sick sentinel]

The uptime

[true hound]

Only while in combat

[mystic fog]

my shield block uptime is not good ! only 60%

[cinder storm]

Oof

[true hound]

Then, that's a massive dps loss

[sick sentinel]

My highest was 67% idk how xD

[mystic fog]

what should it hover around?

[true hound]

Shield Block gives Shield Slam 30% increased damage. And SS is by far your top damage in halls

[cinder storm]

Many new pwars use IP as a magic healing button

[true hound]

around 90%

[sick sentinel]

Tbh im one of them

[cinder storm]

And they use it over revenge, ss and sb

[fierce geyser]

I understand not using it over Shield block but if max rage, shouldn’t you spend before Shield slam? And isn’t it better to use if not topped off over revenge?

[cinder storm]

If you post a log we can tell you what to do better, most of the time it boils down to people not pressing their buttons enough

[mystic fog]

im def guilty of the above

[true hound]

Just think of shield block being a IP that costs less rage, and is constantly up for up to 11-12sec.

[cinder storm]

You can use a revenge IP macro for emergency overcapping situations

[fierce geyser]

Ooo, that’s a good idea

[cinder storm]

Not advisable but more so as a "oh shoot I don't want to overcap emergency button"

I use the macro Nome posted in the pins, that works great too

[true hound]

Shield block should always take priority over IP, except for the cases where you take heavy amounts of bleed or magic damage and no melee hits.

So, overcapping should never be a worry, as you should have SB up when you start pressing IP anyway

[fierce geyser]

Such as that damn dot from second boss in RLP

[true hound]

mhm

[fierce geyser]

That thing wrecks me at 392 ilvl and a 12 key

[true hound]

I hold ravager and avatar + demo shout for those tank busters to build up IP and be able to keep spamming IP for the following bleed

haha, you'll figure it out. I did a +16 earlier today, and i'm sitting at 391

with no set

[mystic fog]

im at 4 set... sigh

granted theres raid finder gear there

[fierce geyser]

I got 2 set. I need to push higher but I’d have to pug. My guild can’t handle above a 13 SBG

[tender cove]

evoker can clear that bleed yes?

[cloud onyx]

Considering trying prot warrior, I know they're a great tank. Are they a button heavy spec?

[true hound]

Have done a couple of +18s too, but i wont set my foot in RLP +18 in my current gear. No way.

[cinder storm]

[true hound]

Yes, every second bleed

[fierce geyser]

Yes lol

[mystic fog]

i dont think the 4 pc bonus is that good

[tender cove]

cool

[mystic fog]

compared to the dh / dk one

[cloud onyx]

Fair, I currently main dh

[cinder storm]

Carpal tunnel speed run class

[true hound]

It is not only the 5% ip you get from damage. It also gives the talent brutal vitality more value

As brutal vitality only works while IP is up

[mystic fog]

its a nice 5% leech

[true hound]

More than that, due to brutal vitality

[ripe tide]

does the 4pc bonus reset the IP cooldown?

[strong forum]

it doesnt cast IP

it just applies it

big difference

you do dmg, boom, get IP

which then benefits off of BV

so you get pseudo 20% leech

[cosmic chasm]

So is it basically not worth it to press ip with 4p?

[strong forum]

?

[cosmic chasm]

If you get IP when you do damage isn't that all the time?

[hardy snow]

its not

[cosmic chasm]

Or is it only a proc chance

[strong forum]

its a tiny IP

[hardy snow]

you dont do that much damage

[zealous grove]

I just got 2500io and that item. Wtf is the difference?!

[cosmic chasm]

Ahhh okay gotcha that makes sense

[strong forum]

no idea

i think the particle effects are just bugged

same reason why the mythic appearance items from SL dont have any particle effects

[zealous grove]

I wanna show off my professional ability to not time keys, dammit.

[strong forum]

ya doing 17/18s in all keys is a massive achievement true

[zealous grove]

😂

[mystic fog]

so how much dps should i be doing? i have 0 embellishments like a baller

394 ilvl

[toxic pewter]

what am I looking at in those screenshots

[strong forum]

around 40-45k

in m+

[mystic fog]

lol no way

that sounds way too high

[strong forum]

i do 50k in every key

with 402

[toxic pewter]

yeah im doin around 50ish

[strong forum]

so 40-45k with 394 should be pretty normal

[toxic pewter]

i notice i do lowest dps in HoV tho

[true hound]

You guys

[toxic pewter]

time to start running battering ram 😄

[mystic fog]

do you have logs to share so i can see what you do?

[dawn vault]

yo how do you guys survive shield of light from second boss on halls? everytime i do a 16/17 it hits for 300k+

[fierce geyser]

I do like 18-22k…I’m doing something wrong

[toxic pewter]

time to start battering

[true hound]

I'm doing 90k in 375ilvl, git gud

[mystic fog]

spell block, ip, shield block for me lol

[fierce geyser]

Shield wall, spell reflect

[strong forum]

18-22k are lvl 60 numbers, youre defo doing something wrong

[mystic fog]

no you're going nuts 18-22k is not lvl60 numbers

[dawn vault]

i still find myself horizontal everytime .. lmao

[fierce geyser]

I’ll get some logs tomorrow or Sunday to have looked at

[weary python]

What do we drop in our raid spec for disrupting shout on dathea

[fierce geyser]

Actually, I have some from yesterday

[sleek gulch]

damn wtf yeah that 19 temple was a cakewalk except clenching 3rd boss of course, but 2nd boss was a breeze, i didnt know that buff stacked healing... gotta be a bug right?

[mystic fog]

thanks! if you could remember to PM or @ me that would be cool

[strong forum]

18-22k are lvl 60 numbers

literally

[sleek gulch]

Unless tooltip reflects it stacking healing and NOT dmg increase? cuz i know tooltip is wrong for the dmg its supposed to be doing (2nd boss Temple)

[mystic fog]

i have all orange parses on my DH, granted i played only for castle natria and his dps was around 4-5kish

[fierce geyser]

Should I post logs here or log review?

[strong forum]

CN numbers are wildly different from s4/post-s4

[cinder storm]

If you want to improve yes

[strong forum]

here is fine

[fierce geyser]

SBG from yesterday

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xyQM8Z63JzrCnATg#fight=last

[strong forum]

always worked like that

if anything

its a bug that the dmg doesnt stack

[sleek gulch]

well the tooltip dmg is wrong tho

[strong forum]

your CPM is exceedingly low

[fierce geyser]

Would absolutely love to improve so anyone willing to take a look would be greatly appreciated

CPM?

[sleek gulch]

like tooltip saying it should be ticking for like 400k and its absolutely not lol

[strong forum]

casts per minute

[fierce geyser]

Is it? I feel like I’m always hitting something though

Roughly 25% haste

[strong forum]

feel =/= reality

[fierce geyser]

Obviously, well shit

[strong forum]

left is you, right is me

[true hound]

Also, 20% rage wasted.

[strong forum]

yeah youre overcapping rage like mad

you need to use more ignore pains

to dump rage

[sour venture]

How does Spell Block works? :0

[fierce geyser]

Yeah, haven’t played since legion and this is first expansion actually tanking for groups. Thought I was doing well but looks like I have a lot to improve on

[strong forum]

spell block works exactly like normal block

but spell

cant block dots, only direct dmg events

[sleek gulch]

cant block aoe spells right?

like 1st boss sbg

[sour venture]

Oh okay thank you :0

[strong forum]

depends on each spell

cant put a blanket statement on that

[fierce geyser]

There’s a WA floating around to help with spell blockable spells

[sour venture]

cant block channeling spells right

[true hound]

Spending rage not only reduces CD of avatar, it also gives you violent outburst

[sour venture]

gimmie

[sleek gulch]

also, is there a hidden buff 1st boss SBG gets taht makes her do insane tank dmg after her teleport phase?

[strong forum]

you can block channelled spells if you have it up before the channel starts

but again, needs to be tested on a spell per spell basis

[fierce geyser]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[sour venture]

what about Sanctify from HoV?

[strong forum]

i think thats blockable

[true hound]

No yuzu

[strong forum]

but i would advise against it

[true hound]

Or who h sanctify?

Isn't the aoe swirlies cast called sanctify too?

[sleek gulch]

oh, nvm its just her Deathspike ability, she just windfuries the tank with shadow dmg, that explains it

[sour venture]

The mini boss before the valkyr sanctify

[sleek gulch]

side note storming on that boss can lick my asshole raw during the eclipse phase

[fierce geyser]

Do you have any macros you’ve found to help you keep CPM up? Thinking I may need to try and grab one for pull starts to get everything up so I don’t forget, which I definitely do like 40% of the time

[strong forum]

only 1

the one i explained in pins

but its more of a min-maxy deal

rather than "keep cpm up"

it all just comes down to practice

[mystic fog]

whats a good cpm to aim for?

[strong forum]

70

i recommend slamming the dummy for 2-4hrs

to get the rotation down and build muscle memory

[sand pebble]

2-4 hours? Wow thats alot