so everyone other than the bait person should be in melee
#protection
fallen pulsar
modern brook
i got memed taking the photo
toxic pewter
is there a 'maximum' to the amount of clones you want baited in a certain spot
like should ranged bait to another spot
at some point
fallen pulsar
not really, just you cannot get hit by the clone line lol or you'll get one shot
toxic pewter
right
jovial birch
You just need one master baiter
toxic pewter
ok
fallen pulsar
the point is to make it one mega line rather than a ton of random ones
toxic pewter
the circles that appear and stun and crap is that random
reef holly
Where can I see this?
mellow quartz
This is not correct
If you tank in the middle of the room the edge is much further than 7 yards away and you can bait there
mellow quartz
If you reference the Quazi video or whatever his name is that is wrong
fallen pulsar
and have someone on the opposite side
they wont get the bait
I did use that as the reference for 7 yards
but I've also seen it not bait to the furthest person
reef holly
hover hits
Great thanks- so if I set it for "entire dungeon", total mitigated melee is 82.5%. Obviously this should be 100%
mellow quartz
If you stand at one edge and have someone bait at the far side it won’t work so there is a max indeed
It’s not 7 yards though.
Boss middle and bait at edge works good though.
fallen pulsar
👍
yeah, the main idea is just, everyone should be packed in, and only 1 person is out
and don't try to bait from a really long distance
your other ranged could try to be past that cap
but idk what spots on the room would be good for that if you're tanking center
modern brook
Great thanks- so if I set it for "entire dungeon", total mitigated melee is 82.5...
ideally it should be close to 100 yeah
dire matrix
any1 found that the bird boss kinda ruins you in AA?
modern brook
maintaining block is way easier than it has been in the last decade
fallen pulsar
bird boss wasn't too bad for me iirc when I ran a 16
reef holly
thank you kind sirs
fallen pulsar
it killed my DPS way before it hurt me
dire matrix
the bleed kinda hurt on 19
modern brook
any1 found that the bird boss kinda ruins you in AA?
bird boss has been slept on cause tree boss has been the key breaker
fallen pulsar
since its a physical bleed I'd go with the RLP boss 2 strat of be a dwarf and bring an evoker
evoker can cleanse bleed
and give you stagger
and you take turns with that and your personal mit like shield wall
dire matrix
not dwarf
modern brook
there isnt a lot you can do 'cept demo it and dump into ip
fallen pulsar
and yeah IP + demo
modern brook
rotate cooldowns for it as well
there isnt a lot of other damage outgoing assuming you're not sstanding ins tuff
fallen pulsar
tyrannical bosses are honestly when defensive rotations matter a ton
doing IV first time, ls second, IV third time also smooths the damage intake
bring potions
lock cookies
etc
sharp lake
So I just boosted a prot warrior and I'm setting up my bars, do we use slam at all?
fallen pulsar
no
dire matrix
no slam no rend
fallen pulsar
no ww
sharp lake
ty
fallen pulsar
on fort week I could sorta yolo boss mechanics
but now on tyr I actually need a plan going into some of these lol
proud scroll
Yall have been fantastic to Learn from I'm finally getting my prot dialed in and it's feeling fantastic
fallen pulsar
yeah being on this discord is much help
I swear though I want a pin for common questions like RLP boss 2, and Jade Boss 3 defensive rotations lmao
it gets asked a ton
and will probably keep coming every tyrannical week
dire matrix
yeah shoulda just ran full crit
fallen pulsar
how else can you pump hard 😉
proud scroll
I am seeing different stats to pump up. Does it very week to week? Or is it more static than I'm seeing?
modern brook
i mean
the short answer here is "it doesnt fuckin matter"
stats will rarely if ever be the reason you died vs didnt
jade marsh
anyone can refract shield can recraft my shield to 418?
proud scroll
stats will rarely if ever be the reason you died vs didnt
Fair.
modern brook
the longer answer is "all your stats will increase your offensive and defensive throughput in different ways". THe current suggested stat spread prioritizes primary and unique stats (such as weapon damage and shield block rating), then haste (which compresses your rotation -> more rage -> more everything) then crit or verse. Crit gets the nod because we have a bunch of crit centric talents, and frankly a lot of parry-able damage in current content. Verse has the benefit of providing DR against things we struggle to deal with comparatively (for example, bleeds), as well as affecting trinkets and IP. Mastery lags behind but is also fine, crit block owns.
So the reality is that you're seeing different stats pumped because of people old bias's toward a certain stat block
more so than any specific stat being good
we just like stats
mighty valley
have i ever done my rant about how the community has adopted the word "throughput" for no reason
modern brook
I use it cause it makes me sound smart
blazing condor
throughput these nuts
modern brook
Bullbraino they call me
mighty valley
i think that's why everyone has done it. a developer said it once in like 2006 and they're like "ah yes. i am nodding sagely. throughput"
dark cosmos
I dont understand why people even use it, what input is being provided to go "through"??
mighty valley
but here's a way to sound really smart - explain me what the heck "defensive throughput" is
dark cosmos
Key presses? Mountain dew?
modern brook
but here's a way to sound really smart - explain me what the heck "defensive thr...
Effectiveness of your ability to reduce damage
mighty valley
ya it's originally a word used for like, processing factories, how many items are making it through a pipeline
modern brook
Is what I mean when I say defensive throughput
modern brook
I try and avoid the h word
modern brook
Cause then you get people linking heal meters like i died even through 6 million ip ?????
mighty valley
well yeah, i guess i just mean i see healers use the T word the most
"this is a Throughput healer" shut the fuck up
OKOK I said i was done bye gang hope you all have a brainworm about the word now
wide charm
do you guys also struggle to stay alive on 1st boss of ruby ? like in 21 after 3 mins i had a hole in my cds and just died
(i play spell block btw)
tough ocean
that just means that the dps was bad
wide charm
how is that a dps problem ? is boss supposed to be dead in 3 mins ?
slim dove
do you guys also struggle to stay alive on 1st boss of ruby ? like in 21 after 3...
Sounds like bad dps.
Probably padding on whelps kek
tough ocean
the boss is a dps check with the whelps
toxic gyro
how is that a dps problem ? is boss supposed to be dead in 3 mins ?
What killed you?
tough ocean
if the dps is bad you cant tank it forever
modern brook
ina 21 tyranical? i can see that boss lasting 3-4 yeah
wide charm
What killed you?
the bolts
toxic gyro
Ohh rlp, I had av in mind for some reason, brain fart
loud zinc
Nah whelps don't matter, if anything they make it easier because you get more rage. boss is likely going to be like 3:30 on a 21 in my experience. It's a hard boss not really any secret tech just rotate CDs and hope for the best basically, I usually pop most stuff when the chillstorm is happening and then rely on the healer more when it isn't.
lyric elm
are the whelps supposed to do dmg ?
Never seen them to be an issue.. but I suppose they will mess up dps if you dont aggro
safe moon
is it worth spending a primal on crafting a 405 weapon or should i save them for armor?
toxic gyro
Weapon and shield are biggest upgrades
grand saddle
how much ilvl would you sac for 2 piece
unreal mica
How do you guys handle Searing Blows on Rubys 2nd Boss?
modern brook
how much ilvl would you sac for 2 piece
you can probably sim this tbh
jagged pier
pray for parry
wide charm
How do you guys handle Searing Blows on Rubys 2nd Boss?
you can have SW half the time
true hound
Is there something iffy about BSV? It procs way above 30% hp some times.
fallen pulsar
if the hit would have taken you to below 30% it would also proc it iirc
urban portal
that could be true
true hound
Probably IP messing with it
Hit would've taken me below 30% without IP. But not with.
cerulean tusk
Go into damage taken, and see if the hit would've reduced you to bellow it. It should work as DKs WNP and get activated if a strike will bring you to the threshold - and not activate after you get hit. If the strike never would've brought you down, it is 100% a bug and something is wonky.
BDK just lucky, if it wonky and activates too often, they would never notice or if they did - never complain.
true hound
Pretty sure those 60k extra would've taken me just below 30%
fallen pulsar
blizz hasn't said in any hotfixes that they've fixed BSV but some players do report it procing at high health outta nowhere
true hound
fallen pulsar
but, yeah otherwise it could have been a hit that would've taken you to below 30%
cerulean tusk
Mind throwing out a link to the logs?
true hound
Weird how thunder maw is split into two different lines.
That 16 rlp is the one i'm referring to now, but i've noticed it happen on other ocations too.
steel mauve
its split in 2 most likely because it does a physical hit plus a nature magic damage hit so it seperates them
true hound
Ah yeah, of course. Didnt even notice the different colors.
Tried playing shattering throw in RLP. Dont know what i expected really... Does about the same damage as a SS crit...
cerulean tusk
That 16 rlp is the one i'm referring to now, but i've noticed it happen on other...
The thunderbreath 2nd hit would bring you to 11% health, so yeah, it works as intended in this instance of events
true hound
If i didnt have IP up?
cerulean tusk
Mah boy rescued from death
The 2nd part of the hit overloaded your IP, so it was all spent
true hound
Then the tooltip is kind of incorrect for it.
fallen lichen
If I check my log, where can I find how much hits I blocked and didnt block (eg my shield block uptime?)
true hound
Damage taken -> aura filter -> shield block
cerulean tusk
Easiest way is in details itself, go to auras, check aura uptime on shieldblock
true hound
Click that and it will show how many hits you took with/without shield block and other interesting info like the difference of average hit with or without SB
jagged pier
i mean u can just hover over the hits column
fallen lichen
okay thanks, blocked 93%, took 7% hits
true hound
i mean u can just hover over the hits column
Not quite. As you can still block without SB up.
Will skew the number of blocked hits by the % of block you have without SB up.
So in a perfect world where you took no hits in the back. Looking at block % that way, will have your block % inflated.
steel mauve
you can click on the aura to disable shield block and see how many hits youy took and blocked with out shield block up
sharp inlet
hey ya'll, pretty new to tanking in DF, as context i've been doing +14-+17 keys and I have no problem surviving. What I'm curious about is maximizing my dps in keys. Specifically, I'm interested in how often you all find yourself switching to battle stance. I've been mostly too scared to really try it out, but I was curious if there was a sort of best practices surrounding stance dancing.
true hound
Yup, that's what i tried to explain
summer eagle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k1KJQ6xjqhVrZRvM/#fight=71&type=damage-done any homies kind enough to go through my log of Terros and tell me why i did zero damage
steel mauve
stay in battle stance unless you know you're gonna take more dmg useing dstance as a pseudo cd
woeful hinge
hey ya'll, pretty new to tanking in DF, as context i've been doing +14-+17 keys ...
You can think of defensive stance as another CD in your arsenal to swap too if you feel like you’re taking too much damage.
sharp inlet
You can think of defensive stance as another CD in your arsenal to swap too if y...
That's interesting. So is your default to stay in battle stance then? I'll give that a try.
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k1KJQ6xjqhVrZRvM/#fight=71&type=damage-done...
low cpm, bad talent build, bad trinkets
youre missing 7% dmg by not running focused vigor
right off the bat
summer eagle
Noted
strong forum
what phial do you run
summer eagle
Versa
stoic elm
guys im trying tjs +15 and the 3d boss is impossible to tank
any tips
i use all cd's
health pots
willow valley
is it the heal absorb?
brave jungle
Uh.. What do I go with lel?
woeful hinge
That's interesting. So is your default to stay in battle stance then? I'll give ...
It depends on what kind of pulls you’re doing, but if you know the dungeon and what things are deadly you can swap to d stance for the moments you know will be painful. One of the important part about M+ is knowing what’s gonna kill you and once you know that you’ll have an easier time deciding which stance to use and when.
ebon wren
what is focused vigor
strong forum
Uh.. What do I go with lel?
is that even a question?
steel mauve
5% inc str and armor and 1% crit
strong forum
you go with ilvl + socket
willow valley
^
urban portal
I personally will go with socket+Ilvl
ebon wren
oh duh
coarse flower
Hi for second boss in temple (or first depending on your route) - are you meant to shield block or do we only save our rage to spend on ignore pain? I'm abit confused since tanks I'm watching (naowh, nerftank, kiznog) are all pressing shield block on that fight - is there another component outside of blocking physical damage that it provides?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1698681987?t=3h4m13s clip of one of them doing it here
strong forum
30% shield slam dmg increase
and the boss still melees
hm
apparently it doesnt melee
but still
30% more shield slam damage is big
willow valley
which one doesnt
coarse flower
if im thinking purely defensively do I just spend rage on ignore pain?
for high keys
strong forum
just give your healer the buff
woeful hinge
Even if the boss does 0 damage to anyone it’s worth having SB up as much as you can for dam
strong forum
and you dont need to think about it
healer will do 2million HPS without breaking a sweat
coarse flower
is the 30% shield slam damage a talent?
timid coyote
I'm try to change my plater to track Dark Claw casts and give them a different coloured cast bar. I can't see to find a way to do this, does anyone have advice?
strong forum
no
modern brook
nah just how it works
strong forum
thats basic shield block
modern brook
if im thinking purely defensively do I just spend rage on ignore pain?
purely defensively you should still try and maintain SB
even if you're not blocking
cause you're doing more damage so the fight will last less time
also: its like 0 investment for a huge damage amp on your most important offensive ability
brave jungle
How do I measure if it is worth to go down in ilvl to equip tier?
steel mauve
how can you take damage if what you are fighting is dead 😉
modern brook
also: its like 0 investment for a huge damage amp on your most important offensi...
Like if 30 rage every ~12 or so seconds is too high a cost you're doing something else wrong
true hound
neck
true hound
hahaha
modern brook
How do I measure if it is worth to go down in ilvl to equip tier?
2pc can sim damage and get an idea. TBH just equip your teir peices :/ I'd comfortably drop a full difficulty for it without thought
patent saddle
to get trinkets from last 2 bosses in vault as prot i need to be on dps spec ?
prime basin
At what mob count does revenge do more damage than SS
willow hearth
hey guys i need a macro for switching between the stances, anyone got 1?
prime basin
#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance
neat gyro
Does warcraft logs count the IP from 4p as casts of IP?
gritty glen
Looks like that one might handle being in multiple specs
If you play fury/prot for example
sharp mountain
#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserke...
this only functions for Arms and Fury; for Prot it wont ever trigger unless [spec:3] is added/replaced from some of the paramaters
silent anchor
crafted belt worth yeah?
sharp mountain
hey guys i need a macro for switching between the stances, anyone got 1?
use this one instead, shorter and also works in prot spec
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[spec:2]!Berserker Stance;[spec:1/3]!Battle Stance
obsidian path
I got no rage, is it normal ?
Use shield slam ? 🤔
gritty glen
What talents are you running
obsidian path
Revenge costs rage
merry sandal
What talents are you running
Can I export it somehow ?
bronze gull
Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but for HoV on Hyrja, there's no way to dodge the Shield of Light frontal, right? You just have to pop a CD?
prime basin
Looks like that one might handle being in multiple specs
Yeah one stop shop
steel mauve
Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but for HoV on Hyrja, there's no way ...
correct, i usually just use it to travel from one miniboss to the other as an indicator of when to swap them
bronze gull
correct, i usually just use it to travel from one miniboss to the other as an in...
Thanks!
amber ridge
Hey everyone! Kind of new to tanking. How do you sim your characters? My understanding is simming through Raidbots is primarily for DPS, right? So how do you sim your character to find the best gear for a tank considering there are more things to consider than just dps?
steel mauve
you can only sim for dps, other wise youll just have to go by a stat priority although ours is pretty simple
meager crescent
Tanks are just beefier DPS. Easy clap
distant crystal
surviving is mostly about pressing the right buttons
gear for dps with trinket swap-ins if you need more surv imo
bright moat
Hello, trying to get a deeper understanding of how things work for Prot war, the damage reduction from Defensive stance and Shield Wall, is that reduction additive or multiplicative? Just kinda chit chatting with a guildie and we werent certain + couldnt find a distinct answer online
lavish sleet
Relative new prot warrior here unsure when to go out of battle/defensive stance
coarse flower
crafted belt worth yeah?
apparently the belt is good, but it also gets some extra benefit if youre using eranog ring
brave stirrup
new prot warrior with only 343 gear, do you need to be at a certain haste value to run into the fray? seems heavy repercussions would help keep shield block up easier
uneven mason
new prot warrior with only 343 gear, do you need to be at a certain haste value ...
Just run hr
The damage gap isn't really large enough to sacrifice the defense
inner drum
I'm having a hard time living through Searing Blows on Kokia Blazehoof in Ruby Life Pools. Any tips to live through it? Does spell block help?
tropic tangle
I'm having a hard time living through Searing Blows on Kokia Blazehoof in Ruby L...
it's all physical and leaves a bleed, spell block doesn't do anything for it
toxic pewter
how does AA last boss mechanics work
what causes the circles that shoot balls to spawn
silent anchor
apparently the belt is good, but it also gets some extra benefit if youre using ...
yeah i seen tht, gonna craft it. i can craft m,yself but only at 410 :/
inner drum
it's all physical and leaves a bleed, spell block doesn't do anything for it
Gotcha. I guess I just need to rotate my big defensive cool downs a bit better then.
tropic tangle
I think it's a good spot for running 2 charges of wall
errant shuttle
is senarths webblast blockable?
tropic tangle
wall 1st, def stance + demo 2nd, wall 3rd, def stance + demo again
if demo isn't up for 4th, def stance + external or use last stand / rally and top off your IP before
hasty sapphire
is it worth to drop 13 ilvl on Hands to get 2pc? cant find any info how strong it is
sharp bone
what causes the circles that shoot balls to spawn
once you reach 3 debuff stacks they deplete and spawn a circle (as in when you have 2 stacks and get hit by the large circle aoe around the boss or by the magic debuff, each apply a stack each)
notable also that each stack gives you 5% increased damage dealt
inner drum
if demo isn't up for 4th, def stance + external or use last stand / rally and to...
Okay cool. I'll give that a try. Thank you!
mortal brook
is senarths webblast blockable?
b for block
errant shuttle
thanks
cloud tide
what 418 item should i craft weapon?
toxic pewter
once you reach 3 debuff stacks they deplete and spawn a circle (as in when you h...
interesting- thank you
lavish sleet
what causes the circles that shoot balls to spawn
Ranged get targeted
Btw what is our trinket prio the wowhead trinket prios seems a bit off
toxic pewter
what 418 item should i craft weapon?
I just made the 1h sword with food buff extender on it
cloud tide
how do get best quality
lavish sleet
Find good crafter
vagrant garden
Hello everyone! Do u guys have any tips for Searing wounds in Ruby life pool? Whats the best way to deal with it?
viral field
Scroll up a few messages @vagrant garden
cinder storm
Evoker bleed dispel helps
sour knot
guys did raszageth did to you random -300k mele hit ?
cloud tide
Find good crafter
do u need to buy rank3 molten alloy?
peak lily
Anyone know if storming/vulcanic causes you to get hit in the back when you are in the air? I faintly remember something like that before.
cinder storm
can evokers cure poison?
Yeah
violet lance
Whats the best trinket combo?
limber flame
fallow osprey
Relative new prot warrior here unsure when to go out of battle/defensive stance
Hey didn’t see if you got an answer for this question or not but you should sit in battle stance and swap into defensive stance for threatening dmg, like tankbusters. Can treat it as a defensive cooldown
lavish sleet
thanks
Would you suggest starting now to craft lariat => weapon => shield?
i ahve 3 sparks left over as I ust started this char now
fallow osprey
Assuming your gear is of similar ilvl, you’ll get the most mileage out of shield
jagged pier
is 49k st sim
literally means nothing the higher u sim just means u have more gear
spark cedar
Hey didn’t see if you got an answer for this question or not but you should sit ...
Is there a stance dance macro currently?
jagged pier
fallow osprey
I use this from the pins
Macro to toggle between Defensive Stance/Battle Stance:
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
Fuck, completely missed that one. Will give it a go, ty.
fallow osprey
Yw!
lavish sleet
Assuming your gear is of similar ilvl, you’ll get the most mileage out of shield
thanks
fallow osprey
np
barren vapor
How long do we keep the Cobalt tank ring? Got ilvl ~400 alternatives but the ring absorption is like 20% of my healing in a mythic
jagged pier
i mean u should be using the dps ring
and u use it until something else outsims it
which is nothing im pretty sure
maybe fire and max melee ring will out sim it
barren vapor
didn't even know that 😄 will switch to the dps one
forest tulip
does anyone play guardian druid as well? is it less button intensive than prot?
forest tulip
awesome. i love prot warrior as my main but sometimes i just wanna press less buttons
patent saddle
for tanking would you use , Runbling ruby trinket or Blazebinder Hoff if they are around same item lvl ?
fallow nova
FINALLY got someone who could make my rank 3 diamond
sudden fractal
should i get damage or shield cobalt ring
brave jungle
What buff do I want to go for in Academy?
fallow nova
I go for haste
toxic pewter
should i get damage or shield cobalt ring
that seems to be personal preference many prefer more defense other more dps
I will say shield ring seems to heal overall 10ish% in a key for me, but it is a random proc
fallow nova
Like a lot of things with pwar, it seems to operate on a sliding scale from "are you struggling to not die?" to "are you doing just fine and could use some more damage output?"
regal bramble
Is there an actual bis list for prot warrior gear?
dark prairie
Hey guys for higher keys in alg - what's a consistent way to pick up with those tree adds so they don't one shot people
I've tried tclap spam etc while they in the ground - even challenging shout
mellow quartz
Roar and aoe taunt
dark prairie
But people still get slapped
cinder storm
Ravager and challenging, and hopefully they use their brains and wait like 2s before they group to blast
dark prairie
Lol
vivid orchid
also having them not spread out all over helps too
regal bramble
Dont they have to spawn for u to gain threat on them
cinder storm
Staying in bstance in that pack helps, they dont really do much, only danger is storming sending you to one of the seeds
dark prairie
Do you have to wait for them to pop to challenging?
cinder storm
Are you talking about the first pack or the adds the boss spawn?
cinder storm
Pre ravager, TC and challenging shout if it doesnt works
or thunderous roar first set and ravager second, but honestly, if they arent on top of you or behind you, they will get clapped and thats on them
dark prairie
Yeah. Those things hurt
vivid orchid
ive seen people get clapped because they weren't spawned closely enough and none of my skills hit those ones
dark prairie
Yeah that happens too and people literally get one shot
cinder storm
If hit helps, Potion of shocking enclosures should be used in one set of adds where you dont have thunderous roar
tough ocean
do we have a BiS chart around here?
regal bramble
Is there a good bis list for prot warriors
dull venture
hi, im new into warrior tanking. i have read and view alot of guides, but i have one question left xD
should i swap between the stances in raid or m+?
cinder storm
Ilvl is usually the bis list you need
dull saddle
does spell block work against dark claw (TJS minions) or is that physical?
cinder storm
Yes it works
vivid orchid
it works
polar raptor
hi, im new into warrior tanking. i have read and view alot of guides, but i have...
yes
vivid orchid
also you can full reflect it for damage
dark prairie
hi, im new into warrior tanking. i have read and view alot of guides, but i have...
Yes
steel zephyr
Why take rend if we don't use it? The icy veins page for M+ has rend on the talent tree
Why shouldn't I replace it with battle scarred veteran or some shit
vivid orchid
we do use it, but we dont have to press the button
dark prairie
For tclap rend
cinder storm
Because you use TC to spread
stoic pilot
out of curiosity, in the wowhead class tuning what does this mean exactly?
cinder storm
BSV is bugged, you can use it, but its bugged
steel zephyr
What is it that applies rend with TC?
stoic pilot
is that just blacklisting thunderclap / shockwave from future aura buffs / nerfs to the class?
polar raptor
when you thunderclap it applies rend
steel zephyr
when you thunderclap it applies rend
Yeah but what's doing that, is it a talent or what? Reading TC it doesn't say it does that so I'm assuming its a talent or tier set
my warr is fresh i have no clue
stoic pilot
okay yeah i was just reading through them but i got tired of always waiting for others to say if good or bad so I figured I'd just try to learn what they mean myself lol
polar raptor
yea talent sorry
tropic tangle
blood and thunder talent
steel zephyr
sweet ty
stoic pilot
ty @vivid orchid
sick sentinel
what should i craft help! i have crafted weapon and neck allready
cinder storm
What illvl is your shield?
violet spruce
sick sentinel
shield is 402
cinder storm
Can you craft it 415-418?
sick sentinel
ye
cinder storm
Then go for shield
sick sentinel
yea i will go for that thanks
livid osprey
how do the bubbles on last boss azure vault work
bold turret
Chase healing done
livid osprey
can you somehow cheese them?
cinder storm
They aggro, since you cant taunt they follow second aggro rule which is healing
Sucks for us
gritty glen
Dragon Games Equipment, shit, meh, or good?
vivid orchid
numerically its fine, in practice kinda shit tbh
gritty glen
I have to take a break when that happens 😦
vivid orchid
it whiffs a lot, cant use on some bosses (terros for example)
cinder storm
play bear
livid osprey
They aggro, since you cant taunt they follow second aggro rule which is healing
Thats why they always go on healer and obliterate him, whats funny is that this time bop doesnt reset aggro
patent saddle
guys would you take for tanking Rumbling Ruby trinket 402 or Blazebinders Hoof 408 ? with Decoration of Flame trinket ? i duno what 2 combo to use
tired pivot
does anyone have logs from a 20 or higher jade temple from this week
lusty tiger
Look up a short hand stretching routine, drink some extra water, reasses posture and peripheral ergonomics, and take a short break + take some advil
cinder storm
Thats why they always go on healer and obliterate him, whats funny is that this ...
Not for me, I always get like 5 with steroids chasing me, while rest are just chilling
tired pivot
I just touch some grass
lusty tiger
I just touch some grass
Last resort
lusty tiger
Mine went away in like 36hr when I was playing a lot of warrior
Mostly mythic raid progression was fucking me up
cinder storm
Carpal tunnel war SL speedrun 
Carpal tunnel war DF simulator 
lusty tiger
Yes
tired pivot
I put IF on my mouse button
so I just normally spam it with my thumb there
honestly not too bad
lusty tiger
It’s more so your constant finger pressing anywhere stressing your tendons
So you want to be positioned at good angles and take a break when you feel some inflammation
Most of the hardcore gamers in here barely use mouse keys
So it is doable
cinder storm
I heard some fotm chaser small streamer saying on a m0 "I hope pwar is not meta, my hand hurts"
lusty tiger
Hahaha
tired pivot
hahahaha
tired pivot
it do be that way
prisma crane
stealing that
lusty tiger
I actually need to listen to maximum bpm techno/house/rave/break music to keep up the key presses lol
It was the only way I could break through low cpm zzz
prisma crane
i just put IP and execute on my scroll wheel
yea all of those are my 2 3 4 buttons
but i dont have much issue for them
minor helm
ashen grail
Hello excuse me, which is the best item to put "armor spikes" ? I've eard on shield is better, right ?
cinder storm
yes, because we suck
vivid orchid
it seems theres a 10% DR buff being added to IO
vivid orchid
lusty tiger
I think IO needed it
Because UF is so goddam powerful
But sometimes I need to be SW a lot, and also sometimes the like 4sec SW that avatar gives makes you yearn for a bit more
acoustic oasis
Wait, does IO make it so you can't be pushed back by mechanics?
vivid orchid
i wish
acoustic oasis
Oh okay, I was like wait why
jagged pier
the removing roots and snares is already a thing avatar does
acoustic oasis
It would be neat, but I feel like....we are already very strong.
jagged pier
thats not the new part
acoustic oasis
Yeah the 10% DR
lusty tiger
But it is named after the shield from vanilla wow you got from rep grinding alterrac valley
acoustic oasis
Was just curious if that meant something beyond the obvious text
jagged pier
should be around 50%
acoustic oasis
Sounds about right.
mighty valley
Was just curious if that meant something beyond the obvious text
it's just a joke because the other choice is "unstoppable force"
acoustic oasis
it's just a joke because the other choice is "unstoppable force"
OOOOOOOO
spiral elk
that makes the node being a choice between DR or more damage basically right
it's still UF for dps
and IO for tankiness
mighty valley
basically. it's a little weird because UF intuitively reads like the aoe choice
lusty tiger
Unstoppable Force was the 2h counterpart to the rep shield immovable object
jagged pier
making 10% its still useless tbh
mighty valley
but it just blasts in all cases
mellow quartz
UF is also somewhat defensively as it makes you able to TC more which is more rage for more IP.
quartz yew
For Season 4 of SL there was this nice google sheet for reflectable spells (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml#).
Is there anything comparable for this season out there?
spiral elk
UF is just too good atm
mighty valley
For Season 4 of SL there was this nice google sheet for reflectable spells (http...
yes, in the pins
lusty tiger
Not to mention the amount of leech you get from UF damage
IO is undertuned but I’m not sure it sucks
spiral elk
no i agree
im just saying with our current state
we don't spec into that ... ever ?
lusty tiger
Depends on your group really and if you need to
But if you can help not doing so
That would be ideal
mighty valley
maybe - MAYBE - at some absurd incoming burst damage key level. but probably not
spiral elk
my range of keys is 21-22 atm with my group and the more damage the better
im already immortal lol
vivid orchid
that counting out of combat time or just combat time
vivid orchid
the thing to wrap your head around it is you gotta try to revenge every 3rd gcd
spiral elk
if you could see in combat only that would be a better indicator
mighty valley
jerking off
wait what should be my uptime on jerking off
proud dock
wat if i called the doctor and we both went at it for another 5 hrs?
mighty valley
how much vers do i need for jerking off
jagged pier
0%
lusty tiger
My Slimepp is never ending I just thought I should mention
craggy pilot
is the stair thing fixed for Temple 3rd boss?
quaint folio
Read some logs of my last few runs and discovered my revenge damage is second highest to my shield slam in M+. Decided to review my priority list
- if shield block is down, cast shield block if able
- if ignore pain is down cast ignore pain if able
- If shield slam is up, cast it
- if ravager is up cast it
- if thunderous roar is up, cast it
- if demoralizing shout is up, cast it
- revenge
Does the above look closer to what a general priority list should look like? The above isn't what i'm currently using but what i'm trying to do to get myself to cast less revenge and wanted to be sure .
autumn urchin
yes
lusty tiger
no
- if ignore pain is down cast ignore pain if able | goes to bottom
all your 45sec CDs are should be above shield slam
lofty widget
it's CDs>SS>TC>revenge
mighty valley
so you have two tracks, stuff that's on GCD and stuff that's not
lofty widget
simple as
mighty valley
chimmichang is correct in 90% of cases for your GCD priority
for off GCD, your number 1 is correct, keep SB up always
proud dock
is there only 2 sets of adds or first boss rlp?
lofty widget
ya
proud dock
noice
nimble laurel
You need tclap in there
mighty valley
other than that, if you are going to overcap rage, press IP so you don't do that
fierce field
autumn urchin
ye warriors could d shout it
jagged pier
it doesnt matter
autumn urchin
no longer matters tho
mellow quartz
You can apparently still use interrupting shout on first boss and silence her as a warrior
Right before shield
vivid orchid
weird
mellow quartz
Similar to how the arrow worked
mellow quartz
Haven’t tried it just heard Plka say it possibly still worked
autumn urchin
i can go check rq
mossy scarab
Hey, does anyone know at what rank I should buy Primal Molten Alloy when I want to craft Primal molten Longsword, for max ilvl?
vivid orchid
that depends on the crafter's skill in making it
a highly skilled crafter may not need you to provide top tier materials
blazing condor
when did we swap out assembly loop? just when it sims lower? or does it sim properly
if we swap it that is
polar wedge
I have a really hard time handling the 1st 2 bosses of Ruby Life pools, they destroy me, any tips?
mossy scarab
thank you, was hoping for a guide somewhere haha
queen fulcrum
Honestly cycle defensive, they truck
fervent gull
Hi im new to prot so I copied top players talents and noticed everyone is taking thunderous roar. I come to find out I didnt even have it on my bars lol. Is this the best thing to take? Its just damage and I see I could spend those points on some defensive stats. Just wondering how important it is and if I should leave thunderous roar talented and throw it on my bars
mighty valley
Searing Blows leaves a bleed if you're a dwarf or have an evoker (WHY IS IT A BLEED)
polar wedge
even with defensive, the 2d boss, if it's not shield wall she puts me very low each time
vivid orchid
its the best damage output of your available options basically
mighty valley
Hi im new to prot so I copied top players talents and noticed everyone is taking...
Your other options down there are also mostly damage focused and Thunderous is the best of them. It lets you take the capstone that buffs all of your other bleeds too
lone eagle
Hi im new to prot so I copied top players talents and noticed everyone is taking...
It's another bleed for rage generation, does good damn and snap threat and you get a Perma buff to all bleeds
polar wedge
btw I also have the proble with Jade Temple 3rd boss in her Jade phase she destroys me too
fervent gull
got it thank you
autumn urchin
tried before it was casted and while it was casting
vivid orchid
btw I also have the proble with Jade Temple 3rd boss in her Jade phase she destr...
again thats just cycle your defensives
dense ledge
Have 2 more sparks and lariat, crafting shield next (405) and then wrists for engi rez is pretty solid, or? Only doing m+.
lone eagle
btw I also have the proble with Jade Temple 3rd boss in her Jade phase she destr...
IV, healthpot, IV, health stone, IV
That covers 5 of them
prisma crane
Have 2 more sparks and lariat, crafting shield next (405) and then wrists for en...
almost identical to what i did, but i made weapon instead of bracers, engi res is super nice but if you can have ppl in your group res it's better anyways
mighty valley
you can reflect the p1 strike but not the p2 strike
lone eagle
The dot goes away as soon as the heal absorb is gone
autumn urchin
just have defensives up and work with your healer
vivid orchid
can spell block the p2 strike tho
polar wedge
oh i didn't know that
mighty valley
use your heals to help cleanse it but you'll just need healer help
polar wedge
that should help me a bit
mighty valley
yeah, lot of reasons for spell block in TJS
lone eagle
Get the heal absorb gone quicker and you barely take damage
dense ledge
almost identical to what i did, but i made weapon instead of bracers, engi res i...
thx, maybe I'll get weapon and shield too and delay the bracers for the next spark
vivid orchid
pretty much everything is spell blockable in tjs
polar wedge
well, not this, if only, this boss would be free
weary python
During unstoppable force, what's the breakpoint on number of adds where thunderclap becomes better to push than shield slam?
lusty tiger
6+
weary python
that's outside of unstoppable force
lofty widget
if you mean with VO it's 4+, otherwise you should still SS on CD
vivid orchid
ignoring everything else and looking at damage... 2 basically
i wouldnt recommend that
lofty widget
unless you can revenge+tc without rage-starving, but thats very high target counts
vivid orchid
SS is a ton of rage gen you wont get by skipping it
lusty tiger
For sure
stone horizon
Hi guys, i got a Rumbling Ruby and Decoration of Flame 402 and a Ruby Whelp Shell 395. What should I use for keys?
mighty valley
seeing really wildly varied results from the shell, probably the two 402s
stone horizon
I see, wowhead says its bis but i was doubting that lol
tired pivot
I find that extremely questionable
it apparently just never seems to proc
or does nothing most times it procs
vivid orchid
llarold literally is saying its bis ..
tired pivot
who?
tired pivot
the trinket is extremely bad
I would sooner use a world drop trinket over that
wowhead guides have never really been good
I don't know where they pull their stats/opinions from
lofty widget
it's literally in B tier on wowhead tho
stone horizon
Think i'll just use rumbling + decoration
tired pivot
you should vendor the ruby trinket
stone horizon
lol
mighty valley
i think it might not be working as intended, i promise you i've had runs where the trinket insanely overperformed
but often it does barely anything
tired pivot
the way it works is
it has a ST attack
and AOE attack
2 buffs
and 2 heals
it randomly procs 1 of the 6
and it doesn't proc that often
most of the times, the proc does nothing
because bad timing for w/e procced
mighty valley
they usually do something to flatten out the variance on trinkets like that, this time they just haven't
patent osprey
Rumbling decoration of flame 4 SURE
tired pivot
yeah, just look at the all-totem
it has 1 effect that just heals
but it still does 10k uncapped aoe that can crit
and it procs every 30 sec
patent osprey
Rumbling is like a baby Whetstone though. Def try to get a whetstone
slow olive
Hi I got Assembly Guardians Ring and Jeweled Signet of Melandrus ( 395 ) and i got droped Thunderous Downburst ring ( 398 )
When is the right time to change Assembly Guardians Ring ?
hushed cobalt
stormeater is crisp if you know that you wont die in 10s to aoe/frontal/what-have-you
tawdry matrix
What buff is best with primal ritual shell for prot warr in m+?
tired pivot
what can it give you
lofty widget
psure its wind
patent osprey
Whetstone in the end of the day does about 6.6% of my overall. Rumbling only does around 3.3%.
So even though whetstone isn't as insane on AOE, having that versatility to do aoe and ST, is better
prisma crane
i like the whetstone, but the boon just outclasses the hell out of it
tired pivot
sims aren't good for m+
patent osprey
Rumbling also is a frontal which procs on AIR
lofty widget
i like the whetstone, but the boon just outclasses the hell out of it
why not both?
patent osprey
like when im pulling wiht heroic throw, it procs and hits nothing
prisma crane
i hate double on-use
limpid anchor
tired pivot
overall damage will be much more affected by how the trinkets get used
prisma crane
yea currently been using all-totem and boon
tired pivot
sims will never capture that
mighty valley
damn, yall just got a full wardrobe of all trinkets
prisma crane
but i never thought about that issue @patent osprey HT killing the stacks
but i swap between ruby and totem, i use ruby when stuff tends to cast more than melee
tulip kelp
Is it possible to reflect every conductive strike on last boss nok? I assume I need to do it before it comes up kinda like dragon strike?
prisma crane
Is it possible to reflect every conductive strike on last boss nok? I assume I n...
almost every
i think the 3rd one you'll miss
prisma crane
perhaps if you cast real early on the first 2
but i havent tested
that said its not that big of a deal, just use a CD and get dispelled
night fable
I always hit after the first one because the first one clears IP and then you reflect the last two and reapply
tulip kelp
Yeah group was on my case for not getting 100%
mighty valley
here's where i'd use my whestone. IF I HAD ONE
night fable
The whetstone's not real. It's what big WoW wants you to believe.
hushed cobalt
i got one last night with the jeweled signet, both were traded to me 🫶
sleek rock
Why do some of the top warriors have stamina as missive for lariat?
tulip kelp
Oh lol
patent osprey
yeah i think rumbling in IDEAL situations can do alot of damage. But it procs on air, it procs while kiting, it procs on random things. Controllable damage is always good. I have a mythic ruby and a 415 whetstone as comparisons
tulip kelp
I have like 4 of those concentrated primal infusions in my bag with nothing to use it on : (
nimble laurel
Anyone know how long the cobalt ring farm takes now? Debating if I want to do it in an alt.
chilly swallow
hey guys prolly dumb question.. i some how lost my Weak aura button on mini map no idea what i did Anyone know how to get it back ^ ^
tulip kelp
try /wa
chrome grove
Anyone know how long the cobalt ring farm takes now? Debating if I want to do it...
Around an hour, maybe 1 1/2
tired pivot
/wa and enable it in options I guess
chilly swallow
oo ill try n read thru maybe i missed it
mighty valley
i wasn't around for legion high m+, does inverse mean something more complicated than "do sanctify first"
i would not be surprised if they'd try to patch that out
chrome grove
Got a video of that?
tulip kelp
Seems like its not really worth the effort
Its like those MDI strats people try in pugs, end up just bricking the key lol
mighty valley
that's too big of a gap in difficulty based on a janky esoteric piece of knowledge imo
narrow vigil
Hey everyone, Do you use decoration of flame trinket as a dmg trinket or as another defensive?
chilly swallow
update if anyone cared its /wa minimap to toggle it.
tulip kelp
I just did an 18 normal way and its totally fine
I imagine most people that time 20+ are doing it normal way too
inland raft
spend valor on whetstone?
ornate idol
how good is the 4 set bonus actually? is it good enough to wear a lower ilvl piece of equipment to have is my real question
patent osprey
how good is the 4 set bonus actually? is it good enough to wear a lower ilvl pie...
depends on how low, any lower than a few ilvls then probably not
like dont go 415 -> 398 tier
tired pivot
it really is just mediocre
sick sentinel
Whispering Incarnate Icon; Allied buffs no longer require you to be in a Party.
interesting
craggy pilot
is there a place to see Attack Speed? 🤔
ornate idol
depends on how low, any lower than a few ilvls then probably not
thats what i assumed but i just wanted someone else smarter than me to confirm
wanton shale
just got this thing, i'm guessing yall would almost never use it cuz don't need more survival?
tired pivot
I am currently using it
torpid burrow
Is clipping melee still a thing?
sick sentinel
reminds me of poop shield (earth shield shaman) animation
wanton shale
lol
sturdy locust
Any tips on how to deal with Melidrussa Chillworn?
I try to spell reflect on cd and basically just spam Ignore Pain and ignore Shield Block
patent osprey
Use ur Major Defensives during Chillstorms. That is where you will get fked the most
and the healer doesn't have time to heal you
I put up a +23 Ruby tyran last night if you need ex. on yt ^.^
sturdy locust
That would be lovely
Btw loved you joining on Titanforge 😄
I assume Spell Block works on her?
Went for a more defensive version of talents and down on a 14. Here goes nothing 😄
uncut notch
yo what the fuck is with Crawth
gone from being afk
to Peck literally fisting my asshole
mellow quartz
Dot has always done damage
uncut notch
yeah but the instant hit is now CHUNKY
Apparently its just been buffed and can no longer be blocked
rip
whole vortex
Is it common to macro ravager to be cast @heavy mirage?
drifting fable
player is the comfort pick, optimally you wanna do at cursor so you can toss it before charging a pack for better aggro
either is better than the regular way
whole vortex
that makes sense
I suppose I should keep it @slow bayor, it's how I want to use it as fury anyway
I tend to get lost in the sauce quite a bit when I dabble into prot though
lose track of my cursor 😆
drifting fable
i like having that weakaura that makes a circle around your cursor with swing timer + all that for that reason haha
celest zenith
is avatar getting a 10% dr in 10.05 or am i reading the patch notes wrong
tropic tangle
only with the IO talent
wicked vine
My top Great Vault reward this week is a 408 Ruby Whelp Shell. Is the concensus on this that it's a bit pointless since you can't choose which spell it procs?
mellow quartz
yeah but the instant hit is now CHUNKY
sick sentinel
is the dragon flying around the RLP ring is that trigger when you get close to that area or is it just as soon as you go up he starts, and then where do i find timers and landing points
i'd like to find out his patterns pre-combat
patent osprey
Crawth Destroyed me last night on a 23 -_-
I have to really fix my CD usage that fight now
zealous grove
Anyone have a weakaura that tells me when i have an external defensive on me?
inland mesa
AA didn't need another shit boss with tree existing. Now we have another CD planner like rlp 2 and jade 3rd boss. D:
Plka being destroyed on 23 now scares me for the 22 I have 😦
patent bear
I'm just confirming, healing reductions don't impact ignore pain right?
uncut notch
https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-algethar-academy-hotfix-crawth-330868
ah there we go
jagged pier
I'm just confirming, healing reductions don't impact ignore pain right?
yer they do
uncut notch
AA didn't need another shit boss with tree existing. Now we have another CD pla...
Tbf tree and last are literally a joke
they gutted tree, its literally pointless now
tired pivot
My top Great Vault reward this week is a 408 Ruby Whelp Shell. Is the concensus...
not sure if anyone responded, it is shit
mystic radish
I dont really know what to pick. Is ilvl overall also for jewlery? Losing about 5% haste if I take the 402 ring over the 395 one
uncut notch
I dont really know what to pick. Is ilvl overall also for jewlery? Losing about ...
just valor upgrade the ring?
mystic radish
I dont have any valor 😄
uncut notch
rip
mystic radish
the 402 sims 250dps higher but I like the stats on the 395 one x:
chrome grove
Apparently its just been buffed and can no longer be blocked
Probably the worst possible thing that blizz could have done
mystic radish
So could just go the rest of the weak till reset with 395 and upgrade it then
chrome grove
makes 0 sense
patent bear
yer they do
Thank you.
round cliff
does pulling the last boss of azure vaults disable the warp book down?
mystic radish
ye
round cliff
fuc
mystic radish
Dont jump and charge the boss if your team is still up xD
tender cove
The savage peck dot, i cant do anything about it right? its just for healer to heal more?
round cliff
Dont jump and charge the boss if your team is still up xD
this warlock was taking actually 3 yrs to get back from a death on the 3rd boss so i was like "w/e he'll get here"
mystic radish
The savage peck dot, i cant do anything about it right? its just for healer to h...
I can be dispelled i think but nah you can just take it like a man
round cliff
i was wondering where he was xd
uncut notch
Probably the worst possible thing that blizz could have done
Tbf it was like, an afk boss
mystic radish
Going Imovable Object for this one to have more walls ._.
chrome grove
Tbf it was like, an afk boss
This swings it too much the other way
tender cove
does pulling the last boss of azure vaults disable the warp book down?
just tell your team to jump down and immune it xD
median tulip
Ugh, the Buff to Crawth is a pain; that boss is in the worst position in the dungeon for arranging lust timings
uneven mason
yer they do
Rip solo tanking mythic varimathras
tender cove
Ugh, the Buff to Crawth is a pain; that boss is in the worst position in the dun...
buff?
tender cove
ohh, thats why i noticed it so much today xD
tired pivot
I was also wondering why I am taking so much damage
was wondering if I was sleeping on shield block
golden mica
Hi everyone, can I ask what you guys do on searing blows on RoLP? It seems that spell reflect and shield block sometimes do work for it and sometimes it doesnt
tender cove
why would they buff it though? Makes no sense? And not even reduced by AM? Is blizz smoking crack or what?
tender cove
it so much shit going on in that fight, it didnt need that buff, no.
why do they want to punish pugs? Blizz needs to get in touch with reality and their playerbase lol
tired pivot
I don't know what to tell you man, I thought it was not challenging enough
tender cove
this catering to the 1% is whack
mellow quartz
Hi everyone, can I ask what you guys do on searing blows on RoLP? It seems that ...
The dot is what hurts and it’s a physical bleed. SR and block won’t do shit.
tired pivot
it was kinda boring to tank
tender cove
I don't know what to tell you man, I thought it was not challenging enough
do higher keys?
tired pivot
is 20 high enough?
tender cove
obvs not for you, no
tired pivot
I am sure that at 23, it would still do nothing to tanks, had it not been hotfixed
mellow quartz
The bleed kinda hurt but nothing major
tired pivot
all the tank damage was on the melee+peck
tender cove
All can say is, i never in almost 20 years failed this many pug keys. Its getting to the point where its retarded
and its not my fault either
I cant carry healers as warrior
tired pivot
I mean, you can still sustain yourself through the big damage phases with some smart cd usage
tender cove
I mean, you can still sustain yourself through the big damage phases with some s...
For a while yeh. Those run out quick and then you get fire and wind and its gg bye bye
tired pivot
well yeah, it will eventually run out, but at that point it will be the dps problem
they failed the dps check
patent osprey
I cant carry healers as warrior
Me spending 10 minutes soloing Melandrus on a +22 from 50% (Prior Nerfs) Says otherwise
sturdy locust
Me spending 10 minutes soloing Melandrus on a +22 from 50% (Prior Nerfs) Says ot...
lol
mystic radish
Would love to see your pov 😄 hard sweating tho
tender cove
Me spending 10 minutes soloing Melandrus on a +22 from 50% (Prior Nerfs) Says ot...
Yeh, i did it today, our healer did on the first ground effect shit and still killed it, only on +14 but its not the same fight?
You can carry the healer on grawth on 22?
wide agate
What do u all think is the best embelishment after lariat?
tired pivot
I have only obtained passive healing from my disc priest on the 20 I was doing this week
tender cove
I'm so happy for all of you being so amazing players while being so out of touch with reality.
tired pivot
I asked for a pain suppress at one point to make it a bit more bearable
tired pivot
the game should not be balanced, so that people who don't want to learn it, can still beat it at "mid-high" levels
I am sure that you didn't even read the tooltips for most of the abilities in that dungeon
if you don't want to spend the time to get good, you still have the lower levels
tender cove
the game should not be balanced, so that people who don't want to learn it, can ...
If you think pugs aren't struggling an masse in a way we've never seen before, you're delusional
tired pivot
I have pugged my way to 20's
tender cove
have you seen partipication for keys lately?
mighty valley
it's deliberate, the scaling above 10 was changed on purpose
tender cove
it's deliberate, the scaling above 10 was changed on purpose
yeh, i know, it doesnt make it a good change
tender cove
difficult content shouldn't be "given away"
go do your lvl 30 key then?
mighty valley
people just haven't moved on from what last season's +15 meant
tender cove
most assine take on infitity scaling i've ever heard
tired pivot
lvl 30 is impossible
tender cove
what, arent you good enough?
tender cove
you dont say lol
tired pivot
and that is fine
there can be a hard cap
and a soft cap
and a skill gate as well
the skill gate this season is from 10-15
I didn't play in SL but I assume that it was after the 15
tender cove
I didn't play in SL but I assume that it was after the 15
nah. I did 22 as my highest in SL, it feels comparable to a 13-14 now
which is not the math scaling increase, not even a little bit
tired pivot
that is good in my opinion
tender cove
why is it good? why would you alienate players for no reason?
median tulip
Most people didn't bother to push higher than 15s because their objective was the loot reward from the vault, not the bragging rights of completing the highest possible key
mighty valley
we were BONKERS powerful in s3-s4, it was REALLY out of whack
tired pivot
nobody is alienating players
tender cove
but they are.
tired pivot
you were not doing the highest keys before
you are not doing them now either
they just took the bar, and made it smaller
mighty valley
people could've done like... junkyard +40 if they'd cared to last season
timid coyote
We are also only in like week 4 of the season
tired pivot
that level of scaling is absurd to me and I am happy that they changed is
tender cove
Yes and that in effect excludes people who were previosuly doing said content. And from one day to another, blizz made them shit. And they're also making it so you cant play with your friends and family people
median tulip
Bear in mind that most people are still a long way short of max gear level
tender cove
and nothing in the game should be catered to them
tired pivot
they of all people deserve to be listened to
tired pivot
Why would anyone take advice from someone who doesn't understand the game
over someone who does
median tulip
The thing is that while there are (obviously) a small number of elite high end players, it's usually their play on streams that attracts viewers and gets people into the game
tender cove
like i said, retarded. Im not gonna continue this with people like you
tired pivot
people like me? Literally nothing changed for m+
mighty valley
if you're not the absolute tip top, KSM is your end-season goal. we're a few weeks in, it's reasonable that the community average is slowly pushing up
karmic basin
Its still start of the season, we will be over 415 at the end and by then people have learned the dungeons properly. No point moaning now.
tired pivot
people's egos just got curbed now that they can't do absurdly high numbered keys
mighty valley
i think there's a concentration in here of really hardcore pushers (plus some people who pretend to be because they feel embarrassed that they're not)
tired pivot
while in reality the difficulty that they participated before is still their current difficulty
it just got a lower number
but so did the highest keys
they are also a lot lower numbers
mighty valley
but this is a correction from the last couple of seasons where the "normal m+ player" goals were too free
tired pivot
I never said that we should tune for the 1%
median tulip
I'm not an absurdly high key pusher. But I KSM every season, so I'm not awful either.
pearl zinc
tired pivot
My whole stance here is that the bird boss in AA was way too easy to tank
and that the change made it more challenging in a good way
pearl zinc
post logs of highest AA done
tired pivot
I don't keep my logs
pearl zinc
and then we're done here
tired pivot
Lol
timid sun
dk
median tulip
My whole stance here is that the bird boss in AA was way too easy to tank
Honestly, if was going to single out a boss in AA as too easy, it wouldn't have been the bird; it would be the Dragon
noble lynx
Or the tree
mighty valley
this bird boss change puts it at a better baseline for the future, shouldn't rely on that much variance
noble lynx
After latest nerfs
fast knot
The dragon with bad dps is kind of scary ngl
tired pivot
bird did as much to tank as dragon
fast knot
I almost filled the hallway with circles
median tulip
They shouldn't have nerfed the tree
tired pivot
dragon could still kill you if you positioned poorly
mighty valley
the tree was an enormous outlier
noble lynx
I say its free but its just a normal non aids boss now
tired pivot
best groups had trouble there
median tulip
The tree was the only thing that made the dungeon a challenge
noble lynx
The tree was like so not comparable to anything else in a dungeon
median tulip
And you could basically bypass the tree's challenge with one Shaman CD
mighty valley
it is overall not good if people go into a dungeon on a key level, go straight to a boss to find out if they can do it at all, then leave
noble lynx
The trees challenge?
tired pivot
it is overall not good if people go into a dungeon on a key level, go straight t...
I actually like this about AA
mystic radish
In the wowhead guide it says that other embellishments are better than lariat and frostfire belt o: For the other classes there it lariat on 1.
tired pivot
it was the fastest check on whether you can time it or not
tired pivot
much prefered over AV where you have to play for over 20 minutes before you know if you will fail or not
blazing condor
Something
noble lynx
I had some runs where we 1shot the tree but wipe elsewhere randomly and deplete
Thats the worst
median tulip
The trees challenge?
If you throw an Earth Elemental at the tree when the adds activate it soaks all the poison stacks for you. EZPZ
mighty valley
it was the fastest check on whether you can time it or not
it was a relief for sure given that the boss was so out of wack, only thing that made the dungeon worth trying
pallid quiver
Since Tree has been nerfed, I have learned that most people have forgotten the entire rest of the dungeon,
because my parties have just been dying to every last mechanic on all the other bosses
noble lynx
If you throw an Earth Elemental at the tree when the adds activate it soaks all ...
Ok what about the rest of your group dying cause the branch doesnt die in time
mystic radish
I thought that next week I might go with lariat and frostfire embellishments and remove the Fang and Spikes
mighty valley
people didn't need to learn the rest of the dungeon because their overall key level on it was being suppressed by the gate of the tree boss
noble lynx
And the burst forth overlaps with the 100k dot tick
pallid quiver
I have had to solo the last boss of Academy every single time ever since tree boss nerf
tired pivot
that is what I call a dps problem
median tulip
Ok what about the rest of your group dying cause the branch doesnt die in time
"My group is shit" is not a boss mechanic
prisma crane
In the wowhead guide it says that other embellishments are better than lariat an...
you should just sim yourself, the belt imo gets more value when you have the raid ring
tender cove
"My group is shit" is not a boss mechanic
it sure feels like one lately xD
tired pivot
In the wowhead guide it says that other embellishments are better than lariat an...
go on icyveins and ignore wowhead guides
noble lynx
"My group is shit" is not a boss mechanic
Ok hero
tired pivot
he is 100% right tho
people seem to be so used to being given away dungeon completion, that any difficulty increase will be seen as a negative
mystic radish
go on icyveins and ignore wowhead guides
ah ok ty 🙂 much more detail on the first look. ty
noble lynx
Is the bird that big of a change?
strong forum
It's pretty relevant
neon elk
I just hope blizz balance a little those extreme tank busters bosses cuz it for sure feels like over the top sometimes
strong forum
As the dot absolutely fucks
pallid quiver
yeah it's a chunky amount of damage
noble lynx
Idk i play vengeance i just heal it back
median tulip
Is the bird that big of a change?
I might actually have to DStance for it now
noble lynx
Ok but like
strong forum
You're now at the mercy of your CDs and healer 100% of the time
tired pivot
I have been in perma dstance during it
pallid quiver
you can heal like, half the bleed 🙂
strong forum
Just like searing blows
prisma crane
the only thing i dont like about a bleed becoming the major sticking point is that now an evoker or dwarf just cheeses it, makes anything else feel like a waste
noble lynx
You have million cds
frozen rose
Tree boss killing everyone but me makes me want to quit and just go to path of exile again
pallid quiver
then you remember the other half of the bleed and the initial hit
tired pivot
dwarf is honestly broken