protection

[sweet summit]

frfr

[vocal trellis]

does anyone have the numbers on how much healing the 4pc provides?

[tender quartz]

I mean it is "normal" but ... I've had my groups in smaller dungeons pull 80-90 with 2pc and sub 400. Thing is you can roll Meta, doesn't mean you can play it feel me

Don't look at me just cause we're in a prot warrior channel though... cough

[blazing condor]

fotm players who switch characters every other patch is infinitely worse than non fotm classes

[tender quartz]

Offmeta always seem to care about their image too and play so clean in my personal experience

[potent torrent]

Hi everyone

[tender quartz]

👋

[potent torrent]

I'm struggling a bit selecting my vault item for this week, is Puzzle Box as strong as the report suggests? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHPgG1QmdcQUT1MCmkDHDo tyty

[young mango]

spellblock usefull in av ?

[blazing condor]

eh

not needed

but obviously you can use it for many abilities in there

[sweet summit]

spell block can be really nice on 2nd boss

not sure how hard it hits

can't rember doing tyrann av

[blazing condor]

for the slice?

[sweet summit]

yea

[blazing condor]

havent done any high ones this week but it doesnt hurt that bad

[brave jungle]

Will we be using Bitter Immunity in necrotic weeks?

[blazing condor]

hurts your dps more

[sweet summit]

bitter immunitt won't cleanse necrotic

[blazing condor]

i could see spell block be played in AV on the highest keys otherwise it felt a bit redundant

[normal birch]

Necrotic isn't an affix this season

[sweet summit]

on god?

[jagged pier]

u might be able to take the yellow colour away but erga still doing yellow things

https://tenor.com/view/salute-point-smile-you-gif-16262743

[sweet summit]

sry i'm bored lol

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

they took the yellow away

free my man

[jagged pier]

have time once u stop eh erga?

[brittle owl]

DEMOTED

[sweet summit]

yeah hehe

[brittle owl]

WEEBS OUT

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[blazing condor]

i will now no longer listen to erga

as he is not of yellow color

[jagged pier]

🤔

[sweet summit]

good

[sick sentinel]

definitely shouldn't listen to someone that doesn't know necrotic is gone

[sweet summit]

true and real

[brittle owl]

shouldn't listen to WEEBS in general

[gilded tide]

does anyone know with the primal molten longsword what is bis embelishemnt

[sweet summit]

fang is generally the best embellishment on weapon

[blazing condor]

i have fangs on mine

[solar crown]

On the 3rd boss in TJS, can last stand be used to deal with the healing absorb from jade serpent strike?
And, is there any 'tricks' you can use on the fight, now that they fixed the bug with the stairs?

[warm plinth]

Yes it can

[solar crown]

nice, i assumed so

[warm plinth]

Impending Victory too

[gilded tide]

fang adornments is it best to get quality 3 or does it not matter?

[icy citrus]

They did what with the stairs? No more cheese there?

[blazing condor]

i mean yeah its best

cus its more dam

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's always best to get R3 if you can

[sweet summit]

quality only makes it easier to craft

[warm plinth]

But your call

[solar crown]

yes, i believe they fixed the cheese

[blazing condor]

yeah seems to be hotfixed

[solar crown]

I saw lemike tank the boss behind a corner somewhere, and just ran around the corner to los (?) the strike. is that a thing?

or did i misunderstand what he did

[blazing condor]

i also briefly read something about LOS

but not sure

would have to try

huge if true tbh

[solar crown]

been trying to find the stream where he did it, but since the 'stairs-cheese' was known thats all he did

[shrewd elm]

I love the size of the taurens but cant deal with the horns xD give me hellboy horns option please blizz

[lucid lotus]

dont rly like the auras on resources, any one has a good one?

[blazing condor]

speaking of #268491842637660160 that shit is hella outdated

[jagged pier]

we lazy ok

[blazing condor]

go fix

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

i also dont think i can

[blazing condor]

yeah you're yellow so you good

its the big dogs who need to get their server in order

[jagged pier]

true

[blazing condor]

but feels good to know where i can check if i ever need to know what dps spec is best for sepulcher

[left cave]

can anyone explain the dam treeboss to me?

do i need 2 poison dispells?> cause that shit wrecks me still

i take agro on all ads and im gone

[blazing condor]

you personally shouldnt need to bring any cleanse/dispel with you

[left cave]

fuck

then what do i do?

[blazing condor]

healers usually cleanse

if needed

[left cave]

can druid cleanse poison?

i took 300k insta damage

im spamming evberything

[jagged pier]

plan defesnives

[solar crown]

its easier if the dps stuns the lashers so you dont get 9999 stacks

[jagged pier]

be a dwarf

use stun and kite

[blazing condor]

yeah CC is hella nice

you can cc and run out to reset

but other than that your dps should invest into killing the ads

so they dont live too long

[jagged pier]

i mean i just use shocking disclosure potion

[blazing condor]

also that

aoe pot is giga

[warm plinth]

yes, druid can dispel poison

[left cave]

hmm ok

[blazing condor]

make sure you have cleared your other debuff as well

and it helps if everyone has done that

so healer dont need to focus everyone in the party

[cinder nova]

They have to talent into it, and boomkins at least will whine extraordinarily loudly

Because they have smooth brains

[fallow nova]

Cleansing doesn't do damage 😉

[cinder nova]

I'm still reeling about the WW monk that took detox and thought I wanted him to USE IT ON HIMSELF.

[pallid quiver]

What I've learned

[blazing condor]

played premade with a team without soothe and my evoker didnt wanna spec into aoe soothe

was fun

[pallid quiver]

Is that most DPS and Heals don't actually know what's going on

[fallow nova]

Had a mage yesterday that openly skipped CS when asked why they weren't kicking on nokhud trash.

Because "it doesn't deal dmg"

[pallid quiver]

At least in terms of tree boss specifically

[cinder nova]

I started vetting specs before I start keys.

If I see any bullshit I just tell them fix it or I'm out.

[blazing condor]

imagine complaining about dps loss for an ability off the gcd

[cinder nova]

Don't mages stack INT?

[fallow nova]

I try to be 100% chill in my runs because I'm honestly fairly casual, but some of the stuff I've seen since I started tanking mythics again... sheesh.

[steady pendant]

Into the fray or extend shield block

[lyric elm]

[fallow nova]

I like extended SB

[iron lagoon]

Hey ! Tanking m+12-13 at 355ilvl and starting getting trucked by bosses. Can someone briefly sum the talents changes for specific encounters ( like i know of block spell for 3rd tjs and rlp but dont know for where in that dungeon) etc. Got my ass handed to me by hyrja where she just os me through IP because low hp for example and could use spell block i think

[blazing condor]

spell block is good for hyrja

i mean 355 ilvl is kind of tough to begin with

you gotta rotate defensive CDs on her cus she can truck

[iron lagoon]

Honestly im bad af first timing prot, but feel like i can easely do 15 tyra (started playing my war like 2 days ago so idk about fortified). But its always good to be prepared a bit because it's low ilvl

Like shield wall, how much is reduced vs taking double charge for specific bosses like hyrja, idk the maths

[lyric elm]

enjoy jade temple at 355

you just need more gear

[iron lagoon]

Did tjs at 11 and got surprised but think it's relatively easy with a simple potion and rotating cd (again 11 is not high at all)

Hyrja 13 one shoted me if i didnt have defensive tho

[lyric elm]

you said 15 so

[iron lagoon]

Yeah gonna do nokhud 12 +2 soon then 14 idk what

Saying i will not go past 15 because i think tjs 15 will be doable but spicy

[lyric elm]

SBG 14

[limpid anchor]

Idk 355 is like 30 ilvl to lo

[rugged mural]

Anyone seeing last boss in AV bugging? Was half way through a Dragon Strike cast, canceled and dropped shards and then immediately casted Dragon Strike again.

Orbs were starting to crowd me, lept away. Charged to a shard and I swear there were no orbs there. As soon as I charge, I go 100-0 in less that 2 sec and orbs disperse from my body after I die.

[limpid anchor]

Doesn’t surprise me that you get trucked by bosses

[lyric elm]

that boss is just a mess

[iron lagoon]

But i should take block spells for rlp (what bosses/trashes ? did it only at +2), and for 3rd tjs, then double wall for hyrja or just reduced cd with rage ? Idk what is commonly admitted as best swapouts

[lyric elm]

they have to redesign it

[blazing condor]

shield block is for like everything in that dungeon. First boss casts hella shards at you (you can reflect them), 2nd boss has a lot of damage

and 3rd as well

[iron lagoon]

Yeah honestly i felt like i couldn't mathematically go past like 10 tyra at my ilvl, but HoV 13 was weirdly easy as fuck (wiped on thundering on hyrja sadge)

so is 2charges wall ever useful for some mechanics ?

[lyric elm]

yes.. for example temple

[untold minnow]

guys can some one [Spell Block] for me

how it works

[lyric elm]

you get magic immune, thats about it

its completely broken

[untold minnow]

wich magic

not immune for this

but for this worked

[jagged pier]

spell block is not an immune

[lyric elm]

direct, like Melidrusas frost bolts

[jagged pier]

it reduces magic damage like your blocking it

but it can cirt block

which hasnt got a cap

so it can make u immune

but its rng

[sweet summit]

works almost exactly like regular block
except crit blocks with spell blocks are not capped at 85% DR like regular crit blocks are (this is tied to our mastery)

[lyric elm]

you are practically immune because its the most broken ability in the game

[sweet summit]

not immune at all

[lyric elm]

[sweet summit]

strong in the right situations? absolutely
immune? kinda if you have insane rng

but i would not use that term as it could be misleading

[shy python]

Can I avoid the academy tree boss tank debuff through leaping away?

[lyric elm]

he will spell queue it if out of reach

[shy python]

Meh

[lyric elm]

half of the things you say on discord will be met with this response, quite tiring

[sweet summit]

true

hard to find the right words to use

[lyric elm]

you can tailor the specificity to the interest of the user

this user is obviously more casual

[sweet summit]

that's fair i suppose

[mighty delta]

hi again guys, bit wack on making macros, im looking to make a macro that lets me swap from battle stance to defensive stance for big hits in m+

[sage granite]

Hey guys what healers/dps can help remove the bleed on second boss RLP?

[sweet summit]

pins has one

[mighty delta]

ah

neat, thanks!

[blazing condor]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[sweet summit]

evoker can dispell it with talent
paladins have sac and can BoP it
all healers have some form of external (bar shaman but SLT kinda works)

[rotund thicket]

Evoker can remove it once every Minute and propably Pala with BoP but i wouldnt do that, press Defensives 🙂

[sweet summit]

using bop should be fine
just have a /cancelaura Blessing of Protection macroed somewhere

[sage granite]

you cant SW every bleed and last stand + health stone isn't even enough on a 17

Last stand, rally, and health stone can handle 1

even with a full IP

[rotund thicket]

i did him on 21 this week and i mostly use sw or ls with impending victory

[sage granite]

yeah I use IV every searing blow

[sweet summit]

with evoker healer:

1. SW
2. time dialation
3. SW
4. evoker dispell
5. SW
6. time dialation
   etc etc

without evoker healer:

1. SW
2. External
3. SW
4. LS+Demo (maybe pot)
5. SW
6. prayge
7. SW
8. External
   etc etc

have IP+DefStance+IV for all

[sage granite]

but unless healer dispells the bleed LS was not enough on a 17 for me

[warm plinth]

Remove SR though since it does nothing

[sweet summit]

err

good point

[rotund thicket]

our externals was on the enhancer bc hes squishy, i mean we had a druid and he did pump as he should but if you are prepared for the hit, you wont dropp that much

its mostly if you press them too late while you are already half ph

[blazing condor]

dont you have ticking fire damage during tho

[warm plinth]

Erga why you no yellow boi

[sweet summit]

not playing

[warm plinth]

Oh

[blazing condor]

the 5 pwarr dream is dead

[jagged pier]

we find a new one

[sweet summit]

surely @oblique garnet can play with you now and then

[blazing condor]

have they fixed that the Truthguard shield can reveal the impostor in CoS

[jagged pier]

it always could even when tmoged

[blazing condor]

yeah i guess thats just the effect it has

not broken

funny tho

[obsidian path]

Does it work on a healing paladin ?

[wraith niche]

Should work on every paladin, even a ret switching to shield just for that bit

[jagged pier]

yes

[grim berry]

Hello here, do you think it is worth to lose 10+ item level on gloves and legs to get 4p ?

survival wise i mean

[wraith niche]

Yesterday someone said 4p equals about 5% leech iirc

[rose oar]

Hi guys

[blazing condor]

hi

[rose oar]

i was taking a look at Top M+ war prot talents

and i saw they don't run Show of Force and Tought as nails

is that normal ?

[blazing condor]

on those levels yeah

they usually run 2x Shield Wall and Battle-scarred veteran because at the level keys they're doing it's more safe and sometimes needed to not die

with proper play you don't need to talent those unless you're pushing top keys anyway

and they switch out tough as nails because they wanna run spell block

spell block you can benefit from running even outside of top keys

like in RLP or TJS

[rose oar]

ohh i got it

was wondering , when do you play Spell block

[near notch]

does spell block work on the lashers who poison u on tree boss or no?

[rose oar]

on academy ?

[near notch]

yee

[rose oar]

it's nature damage

so yes i guess

[near notch]

im just curios if it stops u from getting the stacks

[blazing condor]

nope it doesnt

it just blocks = reduces damage

[hazy thicket]

That's not how block works

Dog has it right

[blazing condor]

block =/= reflect/deflect

[near notch]

ahhhhh okay i didnt think it did my healer said that wud work

[blazing condor]

same way shield block doesn't stop you from getting physical damaged

[lofty widget]

spell block doesnt work against dots same way regular block doesnt work against bleeds

[near notch]

okay yea that makes sense thx again

[oblique garnet]

[sweet summit]

[rose oar]

just looted the ring of Diurna , but with what i can combo his passiv

?

[warm plinth]

Frostfire belt will proc it

Where is Mwahi tonight

I miss him

@oblique garnet what have you done with him

[pale epoch]

Is there a haste cap?

[warm plinth]

No

Not a reachable one anyway

[pale epoch]

Ok thank you just wondering if I can go with talent other than into the fray

[rose oar]

there is different version of it ? i saw one but its Mastery/crit

[jaunty reef]

With average gameplay, what itemlevel should I have to be able to play 15+ keys? Currently I'm 386 with pretty decent haste stat

[blazing condor]

also depends on who you group with

[sick sentinel]

still not w fan of tyranical vaults

[limpid anchor]

380

[jaunty reef]

I was more thinking, would I be the problem in 14-15-16 keys, not being a god gamer, with 386 item level?

[blazing condor]

nah

shouldnt be

[solar blade]

386 is pretty low

[blazing condor]

but its gonna be tougher

[hidden axle]

anyone know how much %% the trash g ives in back of nokhud last boss

[sick sentinel]

vaults is new plaguefall/tol dagor for me

[limpid anchor]

We did 16d yesterday with a grp of 380-390 on alts where no one can play the class

[sick sentinel]

i hate it

[limpid anchor]

So you are fine

[jaunty reef]

I'm definitely playing with friends who are more experienced, but we usually pug a healer

and I tank

[solar blade]

u mean 2 minibosses? they both give 3,2% iirc but u can revise that in mdt?

[hidden axle]

na

like when u do the ol back skip

there's all the yellow trash

neutrals

[jaunty reef]

Thanks! Seems like consensus is I'll most likely be fine in most dungeons then

[hidden axle]

i just read it gives %%%

[sick sentinel]

i got tripped up on that in a low nokhud one time

[solar blade]

mdt does not give them % values?

[blazing condor]

dont think the neutrals give any

[sick sentinel]

started attwcking non elites to finish %, didnt relaize cuz it was first dungeon in a while i had turned on weak aura

[blazing condor]

not sure hto

[sick sentinel]

weak aura was covering the %

[wraith ether]

for raid tanking, how many shield slams per minute / per fight should i be trying to cast?

i think my APM is low, but I'm wondering by how much i'm really off

[sick sentinel]

turns out becuase of that we didnt time the key

[lyric geode]

Go ITF.

You wont need HR

[wraith ether]

What is ITF / HR? Looking at my logs now and I'm around 52 actions per minute but I think I'm really supposed to be closer to 70

[lyric geode]

In to the Fray

Into the Fray

Heavy Reprucussion

[wraith ether]

i see

[lyric geode]

I suggest around 30-25% haste also go for ITF

[wraith ether]

i don't think into the fray matters for single target raid tanking? either way it doesn't seem like it would have a big impact on the actions per minute?

[craggy pilot]

is there a way to sim the different consumables against each other, without having to make 1 sim for each? 🤔

[lyric geode]

It has

The extra 12% haste is big

More Shield Slams

more rage generation

More survivibility etc

But you wont have as much as shield uptime as HR

Which you dont care since you will have to deal with tank swaps etc

[blazing condor]

you almost always have ITF full stacks on raids

because of all the people

[upbeat salmon]

^

[noble lynx]

12?

[lyric geode]

I think it is bugged.

It gives 2% more than it says

[noble lynx]

ye it actually does lol

[lyric geode]

<3

[snow spade]

i might be talking out of my ass. but is it not because haste is multiplicative. so it gives 10% × ( 1 × your haste value) so if you have 20% haste it will give you thay 2% more haste your noticing

[thorny stone]

did they buffed the drop?

[inland adder]

Yes

[noble lynx]

:huh:

[craggy pilot]

how do i sim neck comparison when 1 neck has Setting on it, and the other doesnt 🤔 looks like raidbots wont put more than 1 socket on neck to compare

[limpid anchor]

Add the sockets manually I guess

[noble lynx]

https://i.imgur.com/0rN4dBw.png

just did some uhm

on my char

dont think its like that

[topaz leaf]

Did Crawth bug out for anyone else at some point? We weren't able to start the fight because no orbs spawned.

[snow spade]

but it is. i was right on the money. notice how it doesnt give you 2% per stack.

you get 2% of.your total haste value. not flat haste added to your character sheet.

[lyric geode]

LOL?

ISnt it 2%

[noble lynx]

so it gives you 2% increased haste and 2% haste per stack

okay it is actually

[uneven mason]

It is multiplicative

[noble lynx]

its not multiplicative

[snow spade]

yes

[noble lynx]

it just has 2 components

[uneven mason]

Buff haste and haste stat

[noble lynx]

multiplicative would be if it would give more for each stack, no?

[uneven mason]

it multiplies your current haste by the buffs value

[noble lynx]

or i guess you do get the 0.4 for each stack separate

[uneven mason]

This would be exponential

[noble lynx]

exponential is just multiplications tho

:5head:

[hazy sluice]

Is it bugged that the bird in academy sometimes doesn't get his phase triggered after 3 balls ?

[quartz briar]

How much less uptime do you have? Just for lookign at my logs purposes

[tacit light]

an example of multiplicative is 1 * 1.02 * 1.02, additive would be 1 + 0.2 + 0.2

[wraith ether]

Think it's also best to use ITF in m+? When if ever do we use heavy reprecussions?

[lyric geode]

I have 80%

[ocean bloom]

i always use heavy reprecussions 🙂

[lyric geode]

With ITF

[wraith ether]

I always use HR too

but these guys are saying ITF is better?

[ocean bloom]

its more dmg yes

[noble lynx]

just play hr if in doubt, sit def stance, dont think, press block, press pain, gg you timed all 22s

[ocean bloom]

but it can lead to dropping SB if you make a mistake

[uneven mason]

They're close

And that

[wraith ether]

yeah it seems like it's better to be immortal than to be higher dps

[uneven mason]

Hr is strong damage and defense

[empty spindle]

you guys run shockwave or thunderous roar

[uneven mason]

Depends on the key

[quartz briar]

On like Diurna where you have sole aggro and 100% uptime helps more, plus you're not by as many allies for most of the fight than HR is better. I think, like a few things, it just depends on what you want

[lyric geode]

Eh?

Thunderous roar

[empty spindle]

👀

[quartz briar]

That shouldn't be the tradeoff

[uneven mason]

And group, "will I need to ae interrupt every 30s - shockwave

[empty spindle]

specifically for m+?

[ocean bloom]

SB uptime is more dmg even when not tanking

[empty spindle]

what builds you guys running then

[quartz briar]

Yeah but is ~20% SB uptime better than 10% extra haste is the question isn't it

[hidden axle]

Yeah the faster things die the less damage overall and especially in raid where ur not actively tanking half the fight it’s way better

[quartz briar]

I think people here are syaing you sim higher with full ITF rather than HR and so you have to decide between your uptime and your average haste

[uneven mason]

Running Noms max parse build during tyrannical

[quartz briar]

Plus you can see how your raid personally does fights with like spreads and where you're standing are you ranging your iTF. I was looking at mine the other day on a random fight and saw that for a minute I was only at one stack, would probably have been much better to run HR there

[empty spindle]

where can i find this build?

[uneven mason]

[dark plover]

What is your usual HPS overall in a key (16-18 range) ofc depending on dungeon. But in general terms

[short elk]

CoS ring worth upgrading?

[slim dove]

between 10-20k

iirc i dont look often

[sick sentinel]

i have negative confidence vs final of vaults

what do

my healer said "go to the wall and tank it there" after we wiped

[lyric geode]

To be fair, with cobalt ring. Your next ring should be eranog's one

[sick sentinel]

i feel like that boss is like the second you aren't paying attention to balls and no movement ready.... = GG

[upbeat salmon]

that's why you keep leap

[uneven mason]

Watch balls

[sick sentinel]

if someone knows how to make him less painful lemme know

just hold leaper pretty much?

entire fight

[uneven mason]

Vault?

[sick sentinel]

ya

that boss destroys me

[upbeat salmon]

don't move unless aboslutely necessary

use thundering and avatar to move

leap/charge/intervene

and calls for externals

[worldly fable]

is there a list of possible spell reflects?

[rotund dew]

What to do against Kokia Blazehoof the 2nd boss in RLP tank buster mechanic?

[upbeat salmon]

pray

i have no clue

can't time RLP yet, 2nd boss just wrecks me

[sick sentinel]

i panic on vaults final too much right now

[worldly fable]

its easy asf - where do you struggle the most

[sick sentinel]

so, i'll have to get used to him

[rotund dew]

with the 4 stacks it ticks with 100k

[sick sentinel]

i just never pay attention to the balls and get caught with pants down

then GG

[tight palm]

I just started out as a prot warri after coming back from a long wow break. I read in the icy veins guide to prot warri that I should always use revenge over whirlwind in any spell rotation. So I just never use whirlwind ever?

[onyx pike]

is the RLP trinket really so good? the whelpling one, everyone says its dogshit but on icy veins its ranked good

[worldly fable]

get out here

[worldly fable]

icyveins

[upbeat salmon]

never WW as Prot

[toxic gyro]

Correct, you never ever use ww

[sick sentinel]

there was a time in m0 RLP i ran it and some dude said "you need ruby egg shell trinket?"

[jovial birch]

That boss sucks on tyrannical what we did last night is everyone stacks to get balls to group up so when you have to leap away you have completely clear area. Either orbs need to be needed to spawn less of them or crystals need to be nerfed to spawn less, be less spread apart, or have less hp imo.

[sick sentinel]

typical yogi, thought i could try it out

[tough ocean]

with the last AV boss you should just never move unless its to dodge shit, and only use charge or heroic leap for movement if you cant move cause of debuff

[sick sentinel]

and then never did, never traded it to the guy

i have regrets a bit about it lol

[tough ocean]

or play blood dk and ignore that mechanic completely lmao

[sick sentinel]

yeah, my GM, ..... yes we are back to that..... for the OG's of yogi lore

i watched him run a few AV no problems

streams it on discord

[tight palm]

Thanks @upbeat salmon @toxic gyro

[reef holly]

thanks for all the help guys- got the stance dance macro going, working well!

[tame valley]

is there a new reflectable spreadsheet for dragonflight?

[solar crown]

yes

[upbeat salmon]

In the pins

[tame valley]

where can i find that? the one in the fact shows shadowlands stuff

oh thx

[thin cedar]

Just tried to do a no leaver 20 RLP and I left my own key😂

[upbeat salmon]

Toxic

[thin cedar]

That first boss is no joke.. I took a holy priest and I think that was my problem

[slim dove]

the last key i'd want to do a "no leaver" is rlp

[thin cedar]

Yeah I realized that.. I was wondering why no ques hardly

[uneven mason]

First 2 bosses are horrible on tyrannical for tanks

[limpid anchor]

Nah class doesn’t matter on 20s

[upbeat salmon]

Idk if I'm bad at the game or not a this point lol

[mellow quartz]

Yes or no

[upbeat salmon]

? 🙂

My timed keys are all over the place, I'm not a title holder or anything but this start of season is super rough

[limpid anchor]

Everyone is bad

[slim dove]

dont measure yourself against others.

(too much)

[upbeat salmon]

I'm measuring myself against myself, and my ego somewhat

[chilly comet]

exceptional life advice

[warm plinth]

Nothing wrong with mastery/crit

[upbeat salmon]

Keep failing keys

In the 16 range

[quartz briar]

Do SBG, you'll feel better about yourself

[upbeat salmon]

And idk if I'm doing anything wrong or just shit luck with pugs

[warm plinth]

Just time them 4heae

4head

[limpid anchor]

Then you are bad, if that’s what you wanted to know

Just don’t fail

[warm plinth]

Logs?

[upbeat salmon]

I don't log anything

[limpid anchor]

That’s bad as well

Start logging

Otherwise people can’t help you

[upbeat salmon]

I mean dps dying to frontals isn't exactly log worthy

[hazy sluice]

Can't improve if u don't know what u do wrong in the first place

[limpid anchor]

Is that the reason you deplete?

[warm plinth]

You said you didn't know why the keys were failing

[upbeat salmon]

Because I don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong, we just don't time

[limpid anchor]

Was your position whack or did you turn the Frontals into the grp

[upbeat salmon]

I'm not keeling over

Nah I don't move

[warm plinth]

You should log. Even if it's not you, you can at least see what went wrong.

[upbeat salmon]

Like I've been tanking since vanilla

The basics of frontals away from group I'm down with

[hardy hamlet]

Well in that case the only answer is play better.

[limpid anchor]

Even pugging 16s are easy

[hardy hamlet]

You are the only constant in your groups

[limpid anchor]

So if every key you in fails, idk

[warm plinth]

Sometimes pugs just suck and you do all you can

[hardy hamlet]

So see yourself as the limiting factor

[upbeat salmon]

I've failed a fair few keys

But like it's the lottery with randoms

You go do 17tjs

[uneven mason]

Always log

[limpid anchor]

Even if you wipe twice, 16s shouldn’t be bricked

[upbeat salmon]

And then two dps die to beam

[warm plinth]

I disagree that just because he's in every key it means he's the problem

[limpid anchor]

I mean

[hardy hamlet]

No. But in the long run.

[limpid anchor]

„I don’t fail“ is clearly a problem tho

[upbeat salmon]

I'm gonna be more picky on invites

[limpid anchor]

But if it’s just people dying to Frontals

[uneven mason]

Generally if the tank isn't dying they're probably not the problem.

[limpid anchor]

Tough luck I gues

[warm plinth]

He didn't say he didn't fail. He just said he didn't face mobs at people lol

[uneven mason]

Like I myself made the mistake running some keys in my hunter

[slim dove]

I mostly pug, or play with 1 other dps, and sometimes 16s feel harder then 19s.

[uneven mason]

Where I ran behind the tank

And got obliterated

[mellow quartz]

If you pull 1 pack at a time and don’t time it you are the problem even if you don’t die 🙂

[uneven mason]

Truuuu

But if you're pulling 3 and the DPS die

That's on them

[mellow quartz]

Your job to pull the ‘right’ amount.

[sick sentinel]

true, and also its a balancing act of discovering how much you are really supposed to pull per each pull and when and where to pull it

[hardy hamlet]

If you consider yourself better than the average random you play with then over a high enough number of dungeons you will be able to get to a high level.
But your own play needs to be the first thing you look at and really the only thing. Sometimes it‘s not your fault. If you claim it‘s not your fault in more than 30% of failed keys then you are delusional.

[mortal brook]

Ive been doing this since vanilla

[sick sentinel]

if you pull too much, you are inting, if you pull too little you are inting

so its a fine line discovering whats appropriate and not

[uneven mason]

Largely this week I've run into DPS that are pure ae spec so bosses take forever

[upbeat salmon]

I'm all for taking responsibility for bricking keys

[sick sentinel]

depends on the boss, but speccing AE isn't so much a bad thing i'd say, long as they are killing shit who cares

[upbeat salmon]

I'll admit if I fuck up

Idc

[sick sentinel]

i just trust that my team is there to not stab me in the back and is at least attempting to help

[hardy hamlet]

Alright, then identify those fuckups and work on them.

[sick sentinel]

i never make assumptions about the talents they take or gear, i just try to accept them

[mellow quartz]

Best thing as a tank is win+alt+r at the start of a key.

[upbeat salmon]

Idk what that does

[mellow quartz]

Start a recording

[sick sentinel]

about to find out probably reboot

[mellow quartz]

Then you can watch yourself back afterwards

[sick sentinel]

you don't have outplayed and and old HDD to store the videos?

[upbeat salmon]

I have shadow play

Seldom use it though

[hardy hamlet]

Or use shadowplay and hit save after a wipe

[upbeat salmon]

Should probably do that yeah

[mellow quartz]

Shadowplay or windows recording. Same shit.

[safe kernel]

I thought shadowplay was bad for SDD

[mellow quartz]

Just watch your own play

You will learn a shit ton

[sick sentinel]

i have 1.79 TB of raw 1440p over 60 fps footage

[uneven mason]

If you're seeing lots of bricked keys I'd start collecting data as to why

[sick sentinel]

apparently

[upbeat salmon]

I mean it's dead dps, but the question is why do they die

[kind rapids]

I have a question that might be stupid but how do I survive Peril and Strife

They do so much magic dmg

[uneven mason]

Logs will tell you for sure

[mellow quartz]

How do you do the fight now?

[sick sentinel]

im never again speccing into **INT **' ing shout

for m+

[mellow quartz]

Swapping etc

[safe kernel]

Two options depending on healer. Either swap every 6 stacks or blast one to immune

[sick sentinel]

never ever ever ever ever ever again for any reason

[uneven mason]

What strat do you use

[safe kernel]

When they are immune they don’t pulse aoe

[mellow quartz]

Imo going to immune is trolling

[kind rapids]

We hit it till like 7 stacks and then swap

[upbeat salmon]

SR SB

[sick sentinel]

friendship with intidimating shout ended

[mellow quartz]

The damage they do at 8-9 stacks is a lot

Rather have the stacks drop off at 6

[edgy grail]

The more reasonable answer is a mix of 2, you go to 6-7 until the healer has no CDs and then go to 10 when they need a break

[safe kernel]

Yea most groups swap at 6. That’s what mine do

[uneven mason]

That's basically about controlling your DPS

[mellow quartz]

You actually looked at the damage intake? Going to immune is more damage dealt.

[uneven mason]

Cleav happy people will get you dead

[edgy grail]

No it’s not

[mellow quartz]

It’s not after he immunes but it is getting there

[edgy grail]

You can cover it with a CD and wait till CDs are back up

That’s the whole point of it

[mellow quartz]

Getting the stacks to drop at 6 is a much better damage profile

[safe kernel]

The difference is the time interval. Healing CDs can get you to immunes where as keeping them at 7 til it drops can overwhelm certain healers

[sick sentinel]

our melee guy was complaining that he was getting hit by melee in some court of stars key yesterday, which turned out to be cleave i think

but then he kept complaining about it all key and the next re-try of it too

[edgy grail]

There are like 95 cleaves in cos

[sick sentinel]

like, the guy in our guild who is a melee, and not in my key sorry

[mellow quartz]

The stacks drop off after 1s when you swap though.

[sick sentinel]

im just programed to stand out of cleaves now and pizza/pepperoni mechanics

i can handle all that shit no problem

is all the other crap that kills me

grey swirling boy of doom, miss me with that shit , im out of it in 0.25 seconds

[bleak sage]

is there a spell reflect list available for dragonflight?

[mellow quartz]

Pins

[sick sentinel]

top right of device screen, push pin icons

its a google doc

[bleak sage]

thanks gamers

[kind rapids]

One of my favorite things in CoS

Is jumping in the imps

And spell reflect them all at once

As long as my party just waits till they start to cast ofc

[sick sentinel]

oh, when we accident pulled them, i was just doing cow war stomp and shock wave on them lol

see 5 cast bars on tiny non elties... yup... know what to do here

[kind rapids]

You can only do what I do if you engage them solo

What I do is

I leap in, wait for the casts and spell reflect

I tell my party to wait for the imps to start casting before they engage

It's like 30% of each of the imps hp

Juicy Spell Reflect dmg

[bleak sage]

cheesing charts i see

[sick sentinel]

every pizza shop offers extra cheese as option

just saying

we love cheese:)

[bleak sage]

vegan cheese?

[sick sentinel]

uh, well its less popular, so you'd had to ask head chefs (orange names prolly)

im but a simple cook

[uneven mason]

Most pizza cheese is made from vegetable oil

[sterile stirrup]

what u think is better? 402 shell or 389 decoration

[jagged pier]

Decoration

[bronze edge]

if im strictly tanking keys on my warr, should i roll timewalking reward as fury for chance at dps trinkets or prot for chance at shield/deco?

opinions appreciated

[fallen pulsar]

If your shield is poopoo you want to get that up

[bronze edge]

im 332 equipped, my char is poopoo

[fallen pulsar]

Then try for a shield

[bronze edge]

gotcha ty

[uneven mason]

Get crafted shield

[sterile stirrup]

Guess Shell just stays in bag to pump up bag ilvl then xD

[bronze edge]

crafted like embellishment?

[fallen pulsar]

You could do m0 for the titan matrix

Thats a way for ez 382 shield

[viral field]

People doing high AAs this week, anyway to remove the bleed from bird boss?

[bronze edge]

dwarf

[fallen pulsar]

Evoker

[viral field]

Evoker didn’t work

[slim dove]

evoker can clean bleed, once per min.

[upbeat salmon]

3min talent

Or is not bleed?

[slim dove]

bitter doesn't do bleeds.

[fallen pulsar]

Did they cauterize or whatever it is called

[unkempt imp]

Has echo released their vault weak auras yet?

[slim dove]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=374251/cauterizing-flame

[fallen pulsar]

Its not their standard cleanse

[viral field]

It’s just a physical damage dot, idk if it’s technically a bleed

[upbeat salmon]

Spam IP

And pray

[bronze edge]

if its any help ill be spamming 16+ this week for primal infusions, so ill prob make a 418 shield

[fallen pulsar]

Shield wall

[slim dove]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=376997/savage-peck

mechanic = bleeding

[brave portal]

doesnt it reset to 0 stacks when you score 3/3 goals

[fallen pulsar]

Do you have a group? I feel like it’d be hard to get invites to pugs before you have good io/gear

[brave portal]

==or is that screeching?

[upbeat salmon]

Different mechanic

[bronze edge]

im 2800 io on main, im getting invited to +8-10s at 340 ilvl

but ye i do have some people i can run with for funnels

[fallen pulsar]

Ah fair enough

I’d say try tocsee if you can get a 382 shield from m0 matrix or some other means, spark a weapon/lariat

[bronze edge]

gotcha okay

[fallen pulsar]

382 shield should be good enough until like 13s-15s in terms of comfy living

[shrewd epoch]

Hello, I was hoping I could get some help on temple. The last mob pack before the last boss, how should I handle it properly, just kite? I never have a good pull on that pack on higher keys.

[bronze edge]

planning to do a loot funnel for some gear before doing higher keys

[fallen pulsar]

But if you’re 2800 you prob have the skill to stretch it out

[bronze edge]

get 372ish

[upbeat salmon]

Yeah just back pedal and get help from the group

Make sure the fear is kicked

[slim dove]

stun 1-2 minion to desync dark claw, reflect the first batch

rotate defensives

last boss is free for us

[blazing condor]

spell reflect / block and defensives. Kite if needed otherwise CC is always gonna help. CC dark claws/Haunting gaze

[slim dove]

this week im kiting below 30% and only going back in to reflect the last batch of dark claws.

[sweet summit]

you can face tank it quite comfortably tyran weeks
rotate wall and spell block and pack should be dead

[upbeat salmon]

Yeah you can use your full kit, cauz Sha does nothing to us

[slim dove]

rdruid with vortex makes it very easy.

[sweet summit]

obv care for raging

[upbeat salmon]

I run with rsham he usually drops elemental

But did a 16 yday, it was okay even without it

I know it ain't giga high

But it way less scary than fort

Doesn't dark claw hit whoever is in melee though?

If they can't hit you

[fallen pulsar]

I dont think so, but then again whats a few lambs for the slaughter in comparison to your own life

[sweet summit]

they don't

[mortal brook]

Not a fervent

[sweet summit]

love fervent strikes wish all mob abilities worked like that!!

[upbeat salmon]

The run back ain't bad either if you die

Like the pack is scary, but it's not very costly to die there

[shrewd epoch]

Yeah I died once but the group kites them back so it wasn’t a wipe

[fallen pulsar]

It cost me a whole 5 seconds and time is money pal

[bronze edge]

well thats a shit first item for my warrior lmao

[fallen pulsar]

? Thats great

Massive haste

[bronze edge]

yea

great for disenchant

if im crafting lariat asap

[young mango]

😂😂

[fallen pulsar]

Rippy

[young mango]

It has a socket

[toxic pewter]

It’s pretty good tbh

[bronze edge]

rolling a socket on a neck is rude

considering they cost 1k

[fallen pulsar]

Could also craft something else tbh lariat % isn’t that much damage compared to something else

If your main concern is gearing asap

[upbeat salmon]

^

[bronze edge]

interesting

395 seems replaced quickly tho regardless no?

[upbeat salmon]

Not really

Unless you'll be in 18s tonight

[bronze edge]

18s

[upbeat salmon]

Eod for a 16 is 392 395?

[bronze edge]

maybe 395

or 398

19 is 405, 17 is 402, so i think 15/16 are 398

[upbeat salmon]

They ate

Are

So yeah you'd need to hit 15s 16s before upgrading that neck

[bronze edge]

that should be happening tonight

[upbeat salmon]

I mean, if you have the gold

I'd spend spark to fill gaps

[quartz briar]

Any Good IP tracking WAs that people suggest. Feel like all of them I've tried are unnecesarily bloated

[zenith monolith]

any tips for Flameheart in Jade?

[sturdy sable]

Cycle CDs

Clench

[zenith monolith]

ah ok

[quartz briar]

Don't worry so much about the heal absorb that you get hit by the green

[sturdy sable]

Remember to clench

[sturdy sable]

You can vic rush/health pot off a full absorbs

[quartz briar]

On the heal does it stop single heals overheal or would the excess go to your bar

Like If you get lay on hands, does the overflow still heal you or does it stop at removing the absorb

Doesn't matter too muich, just curious

[mellow quartz]

The titanforge podcast this week was great going over all the different m+ bosses etc and as a bonus Plka was the guest.

[fallen pulsar]

I think it’ll be hard to find a neck that can sim better than an 800 haste stat stick at 398, not much of an upgrade over 395 tbh

[sturdy sable]

Oh thats good intel @mellow quartz

Gonna give it a listen

[upbeat salmon]

Spellblock first, last stand second, impeding vic third, health pot 4

[mellow quartz]

Was just uploaded to YouTube now.

[upbeat salmon]

Then idk

Hopefully dragon phase before 4th

[inland raft]

How exactly do you remove an embellishment?

[upbeat salmon]

Recraft it I think

[uncut zephyr]

Recraft with the grifta dust

[fallen pulsar]

Speaking of embellishments, the keep food on death one is so nice

[upbeat salmon]

Just dont die ez

[blazing condor]

where is bmah this xpac?

[strong forum]

below

[warm plinth]

It would heal you whatever is left over after the absorb

[inland raft]

What are the best trinkets outside of raid? Currently using nokhud scale and rbl haste one

[sturdy sable]

Whetstone

And I guess hoof?

Idol or dragon training equipment

[cold pollen]

jeez, rubys bosses keep ripping me a new one especially second boss

[sturdy sable]

The dungeon trinkets all being on use kind of blow

[deep isle]

What's a typical rate for comissions? I'm looking at getting the primal molten defender crafted

[quartz briar]

You could probably put nothing if you don't care about it being rank 5 right away and people would do it for the crafting exp

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if i can focus mouseover with "click scrollwheel" button?

[quartz briar]

Generally mouse buttons don't work with mouseover macros

[deep isle]

Oh I guess I should've mentioned I want to try to get it at 392

[quartz briar]

I used my mouse software to map my mouse buttons to different keys

[mellow quartz]

Important to know is if you are say Alliance on a horde dominant server then make a horde alt and go to valdrakken to find a crafter and send the order form your alliance toon after.

[quartz briar]

So you would change click scrollwheel from M3 to "0" or something and then make the keybind 0 on your bar

[craggy pilot]

ah ok thx

[night sentinel]

Hey! I just started playing my protection warrior and have one question so far, why is mastery not a good stat for warrior? It basically gives the same benefits as prot pallys mastery so why is it not good for warrior?

[mellow quartz]

It’s not bad other things are just a little better.

Mastery gives you crit block and AP.

[strong forum]

our mastery is not at all like prot pally

ours is rng

theirs isnt

[jovial crane]

I was doin Algathar 17 last night and the tree boss adds were a bit hard to pick up since they spawn at diff times.

Whats the best way to gather these before they start to one shot folks? If i thunderclap early im just revenge spamming hoping to tag em

[warm plinth]

Save thunderous roar/ravager

Challenging shout works too

[delicate lake]

Your group should also be stacking for germinate

[jovial crane]

Thats fair, maybe i had tossed out ravager and roar when the first set of docile adds dropped. I will save it. Will the cds be back by the time the 2nd wave of them popping be back up

[warm plinth]

I don't think so. I think the insta-adds are about a minute apart

[night sentinel]

So just the rng factor vs the guaranteed stats from vers is the difference?

[warm plinth]

So you probably wanna do like, TR for one, Challenging Shout for one, Ravager for one or something like that

[strong forum]

yes

[warm plinth]

You could do TR/Ravager on the same one though and it would be up for the one after the shout

[strong forum]

and mastery is also our worst offensive stat

[warm plinth]

So TR/Ravager, CS, TR/Ravager

[cold pollen]

question: on yhe second boss of ruby, should i tank the add ? does he melee or i can simply stay close to avoid boulder going on melee ?

[fallen pulsar]

You need to tank it, it’ll punch someone else otherwise if I remember correctly

Also, being close to interrupt is important

[night sentinel]

Awesome thanks

[cold pollen]

thanks

[finite narwhal]

Guys, I dont really play much tank warrior, even not in high keys. But I tried +14 jade serpent a few mins ago and we disbanded party, because I couldnt keep up our tank warrior alive, mainly on second and third boss and on adds aswell. Should be uptime like this ?

it was around 21 minutes combat time. these are cooldowns

[drifting fable]

3rd boss requires pretty good cooldown management for the specific bleeds on tyr

for both healer and tank

[true hound]

How significant is 4set?

[finite narwhal]

I kinda had hardtime keep him on second boss, third he was getting straight oneshotted

[pallid yarrow]

shield block looks REALLY low

[drifting fable]

yea 3rd is the one you literally have to plan CDs

[mellow quartz]

How big is that margin though? Last time I looked mastery vs crit gem and enchants was basically a wash dps wise in sims.

[true hound]

In say m+ where you're doing 30-40k dps

[strong forum]

Literally depends on your gear

[finite narwhal]

I mean I couldnt press global after that green strike. it was just strike, 1sec and death

never had problems with others tanks even on tyr in previous weeks

[toxic pewter]

I value 4 set very highly personally

[true hound]

Also, is anyone abusing spell reflect on Raging Tempest in Nokhud? Realised now in a +18 that the one hit you reflect when charging in did 300k.

[toxic pewter]

I like how it refreshes ignore pain

[mellow quartz]

Yes SR is big in NO

[strong forum]

23% sb uptime

That should be closer to 90%++

This man trolling

[toxic pewter]

23%?!?!?

O_O

how are you alive

[drifting fable]

yeah the boss hurts but that wont help

[true hound]

hahaha

[finite narwhal]

I did 85k hps on second boss, because he was getting deleted

[strong forum]

2nd boss is special

[true hound]

I mean, walk out when SR is up, he starts casting, walk right back in again.

[finite narwhal]

I know it is, but I am mostly keeping up party pretty steady as prevoker here, but he was constantly at 10% hp after topping him up

[trim hill]

Third boss Jade the tank needs to have 2 things prepped for each Jade strike. You also want your dps to pump that phase since p1 is kinda easy and p3 is free. You can’t just wing it and as a healer you should communicate with the tank when you will have a cd for him. He should also be saving a fatty ignore pain for each strike. He also prob got hit by a wave if he got immediately one shot

[mortal brook]

Wow that dude didnt shield block. Prob didnt other buttons good either. Could say more with logs

[drifting fable]

well for real like 23% SB meant he was eating tons of unmitted melees so just dont forget that

[warm plinth]

wtf is he even spending rage on? His show of force uptime is only 50% so he's not even spamming revenge

[sick sentinel]

that guy is a FOTM re-roll

another yogi but noob

[trim hill]

Sitting on 100 rage no doubt

[sick sentinel]

garunteed hes a fotm reroller

[finite narwhal]

I mean I am healing mainly my friend BDK in higher keys, so I wasnt sure if its misplay or I cant keep other tanks in pugs 😄

[frozen rose]

Adds on platform for dathea, minus the big add, we don’t try to hold Aggro on the small ones? Or we do? They only cast on randos ya?

[trim hill]

You don’t need to tank those

Challenging shout silence is huge though

[toxic pewter]

was just told by a hunter to lower my dps in a raid because I am ripping threat off other tank again

what do i do

time to double it down boys

[trim hill]

Leave the raid

[toxic pewter]

yes

[ocean bloom]

do more dmg 🙂

[toxic pewter]

yah I am going to go hardest ive ever gone this pull

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like, prot would probably scream at me just now

[mellow quartz]

Was that hunter MD’ing you by chance?

[sick sentinel]

but i had 77.5% uptime of shield block in what im assuming was 12 vaults

[toxic pewter]

good question now that you mention it LOL

[ocean bloom]

are you on heroic or normal?

[mellow quartz]

Just tell him to MD the other guy lol

[toxic pewter]

heroic

[sick sentinel]

and it should be, closer to 90% up,

[warm plinth]

[toxic pewter]

im add tank on brood

and i keep getting boss aggro

its really awkward

[warm plinth]

wtf

how

lol

[toxic pewter]

im like

doing damage i guess

or md makes more sense...

sigh

[ocean bloom]

occasioanlly ill rip threat with my cotank during the initial lust, prot war do be bursty

[sick sentinel]

how about disc is disc a good spec for priest healer right now?

[mellow quartz]

You can just take a look at the damage meter as well and see the relative difference in your dps

[sick sentinel]

we have a resident healer in guild, but hes jut got the druid, he doesn't like to hard cast so he hates paladin and priest now

[true hound]

I am playing prot war for the first time as well this expansion. What's helped me is weak auras for SB uptime. So for anyone struggling, get a good WA. Mine glows at 3sec left and makes a little sound at 1sec left. But mostly its just practice.

[sick sentinel]

i'd love if he could do disc and be good at it

[ocean bloom]

if hes not a GREAT disc priest its better to play holy

[sick sentinel]

he main plays healer

any healer

[ocean bloom]

yes theres plenty of good healers

but disc is differnt lol

[true hound]

Disc is very different. Its like playing brew vs playing other tanks.

[sick sentinel]

disc still the 1% class? lol

more like 0.1% prolly

[true hound]

I mean, the other way around. Brew is like other healers. Disc is like other tanks

[sick sentinel]

i just need the mass dispell everyone at once and PI for the random team mate

[mortal brook]

Perhaps communicate with your cotank about it. Make sure theyre doing high dam abilities in the taunt window as well cuz extra threat

[true hound]

Know whats happening before/while its happening and not after.

[mortal brook]

Half the time ppl get ripped its cuz theyre sending consecrates and blessed hammers in the fixate window instead of judges and wraths

[true hound]

This is what helped me a lot as brew when doing jailer M with a bdk using gavel as cotank. Holding my high damage abilities for the taunt window.

[mortal brook]

Goes a long way

[sick sentinel]

excorism, or at least, the last time i played, it, sucked ass to play excorism build

like after the 10.0 talents

[mortal brook]

I pull with a taunt and trinket dam yeah
Sets threat at a much higher base value which helps on further taunts later

[sick sentinel]

pre-patch excorism was last time i tried it as ret in lfr

[lavish sleet]

Pretty late on the prot warrior train but its really fun and might become my focus alt

[toxic pewter]

the pulling tank should always taunt at pull

[warm plinth]

you're really fun and might become my focus alt

gottem

[sick sentinel]

its good for a zug zug comp

[warm plinth]

we climbing

[blazing condor]

yuge

[brittle owl]

gigantiq

[warm plinth]

actually 363 now. bought some rings off AH

Also looked through the rings for entirely too long before I realized there weren't gonna be any haste/crit ones because they're intended for PvP

[visual hamlet]

The cobalt assembly rings at 389 are still huge

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I already did that grind once and I wanted to end myself

Can't see me doing it again

[visual hamlet]

If the elemental storm is up there it’s not as bad

[polar raptor]

I only get to play a couple hours a week and started finally getting into some 13-15's and I gotta say it seems the groups seem so much worse, or is it just that much harder for DPS?

[brittle owl]

10-15 range is usually danger zone insofar as individual player's skill

[stoic knoll]

dungeons are just hard imo, lots of dmg coming out

[brittle owl]

gets better usually above 15

also function of time, more time passes, more people figure out dungeons

still early, relatively, in an expac

[amber siren]

2-10 can facetank mechanics, 10-15 is punishment, 15+ is for people who only care about IO (and want to do well)

[unreal mica]

Any tips for Kokia Blazehood's Searing Blows 😄

[brittle owl]

or gear

[unreal mica]

?

[brittle owl]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty shell]

Hey Guys
I'm running the crafted ring atm
For second ring : should i aim for the cos or the nokhud ring?
Mainly playing high m+
Thx ❤️

[polar raptor]

Thanks, that makes sense, some of these people have such high IO's just kind of expected more.

[unreal mica]

i still use the ring from the Cobalt Assembly XD

[brittle owl]

if they have a high why they pugging sub 15's?

maybe they were carried

[polar raptor]

When I say high I'm talking 1700ish, which seems high for 13-14's

[brittle owl]

15 and up is where most "raiders" farm their keys and such, so higher chance to get into at least semi competent groups (+overall higher ilvl etc etc)

[polar raptor]

at least to me

[unreal mica]

hitting pretty hard - at 18+

dont know if i can outrange it somehow

[brittle owl]

technically

you outrange everything that kills you if you release spirit

[marble cipher]

technically
you didn't really outrange it then right 😉

[brittle owl]

then why am i at the dungeon entrance?

[marble cipher]

haha

[brittle owl]

explain this atheists

[marble cipher]

you basically have to take it to the face once, and then you'll outrange the next ones by being at the entrance

4head play!

[brittle owl]

get keys done while your char's dead!

sigma male grindset

[unreal mica]

sounds wronmg hahaha - im using normal spam mitigation and a def cd on seasring blows but dying sometimees anyways

[errant cairn]

can thunder clap proc

[fallen pulsar]

I doubt

[zealous kayak]

Test...really only one way to find out. Also if only a sparse few abilities proc it is it worth even running as a war?

[errant cairn]

cant get it as warrior, need a caster to give trinket

[fallen pulsar]

Simply heroic throw 😉

[reef holly]

hey dudes is there a way to filter warcraft logs to show "in combat"

[errant cairn]

with this i assume it is good?

[fallen pulsar]

People usually pair frostfire belt for that

[errant cairn]

have that too but feels like it is not enough

[fallen pulsar]

That trinket just seems not worth it when you could be rocking much better and synergistic ones

That ring will probably? do more damage than cobalt ring

Wait its 421

So definitely lol

[urban portal]

why tf is the ilvl so low on it

[fallen pulsar]

Dungeon journal prob

[urban portal]

doesnt work for arms

at leaswt

cant imagine why it would work for prot

[modern brook]

depends on what you're trying to see

IDt there is a specific "in combat" thing that will cut out travel time, but you can select per-pull and see them there

[topaz raptor]

i have 120k gold and one spark of ingenuity left (so far made elemental lariat, and sword). Only 2 pieces of tier set so far. Do you guys recommend paying someone to craft a third piece, or using my gold on something else to increase my player power? Thanks. Was thinking if i did end up deciding using my last spark if i got a drop from a mythic dungeon or vault next week could fk me over if its in same slot. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc Im thinking crafting a better ring since its my lowest ilvl

[jovial birch]

Totally had a carried ksm healer last night in a +16 HOV he was a 2009 io prevoker and could not keep the group alive.

[blazing ocean]

How come I see alot of top prots on raider Io hard stacking crit atm?

[sterile bough]

does any1 know how does our "cheat death" work? ex if I have 31 %hp and I get hit for damage equal of 30% of my hp will I be at 1% and then dr is applied?

[jovial birch]

More damage and don’t need the extra vers

[brittle owl]

big dam

[stark wren]

Hey guys, in RLP on Kokia can I range Searing Blows or do I just have to save as many cooldowns as possible for it?

[jovial birch]

Kee shield block uptime above 90% and ignore pain up you Gucci

[toxic pewter]

hyrja frontal man

[blazing ocean]

when you say extra vers, what do you even mean by that.
I still feel like magic dmg can be a problem

[sterile bough]

cant range it

[toxic pewter]

that shit slaps

[zealous kayak]

as well as crit attributes to parry

[modern brook]

lots of our talents affect crit damage or proc w/ crit

[fallen pulsar]

spark a shield

[jovial birch]

Run spell block in certain dungeons

[modern brook]

so crit damage is pretty pog

[stark wren]

Ok that's what I thought - so I just have to shield wall on the first, Demo on the 2nd and pray to god it dies before the 3rd

[jovial birch]

And know when to spell reflect

[sterile bough]

wdym

[toxic pewter]

Kokia and Hyrja those two bosses dont mess around. if you dont have a defensive ready you are done

[fallen pulsar]

I would run double shield wall for RLP

[sterile bough]

bruh u can live up to 7-8

[fallen pulsar]

if you have an evoker healer they can cleanse the bleed from the tank buster once

[sterile bough]

also stagger u

[fallen pulsar]

ye

evoker healer is super clutch for RLP

[toxic pewter]

yeah its actually insane how powerful that talent is

[reef holly]

Can anyone take a look at my log and let me know if my shield block uptime is ok? I feel like it is ok, but I can't filter by "in combat" to check. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rZ2BHxYJ8WP17a6L/#fight=last&type=summary

[fallen pulsar]

shield block is in defensive buff

also its bad

[jovial birch]

If it’s under 85% you can do a lot better can technically have 100% if played correctly

[fallen pulsar]

69%

69% is pretty abyssmal

[reef holly]

Yes but does the log show for in combat only or for the whole run?

[fallen pulsar]

whole run

tru

[jovial birch]

Look at each boss individually

[reef holly]

I need to keep shield block up when I'm running around CoS?

[fallen pulsar]

yeah my bad there

nah I just auto assumed it was a boss log

[topaz raptor]

Ok ty

[reef holly]

Where can I filter by boss?

[fallen pulsar]

melandrus, overall 75% uptime

are you doing itf + bolster or HR

[reef holly]

ah I see it now

[fallen pulsar]

2nd boss you had 95%, thats good

[modern brook]

easiest way to check it

[fallen pulsar]

gerdo 93%

[mellow quartz]

Overall block % doesn’t matter. Look at blocked melee

[modern brook]

'it' being "effective block up time"

[mellow quartz]

It’s still not good

[fallen pulsar]

melandrus seems like you had a lot less uptime

[reef holly]

Yeah on melandrus I wasn't chasing him around

I would only refresh when he came to me

[toxic pewter]

where is the best spot to start tanking melandrus generally

like in the center?

[mellow quartz]

Middle

[toxic pewter]

Ok thats what I do

[fallen pulsar]

center and have a ranged bait all the clones

[toxic pewter]

yes

how does clones targeting work

[modern brook]

furthest

[jovial birch]

I know in raids my shield block is always high but I don’t use ignore pain when not actively tanking so that sometimes looks bad on raid logs.

[toxic pewter]

furthest ?

ok

[fallen pulsar]

farthest within 7 yards

no

farthest is wrong iirc

[toxic pewter]

interesting 7 yards

[fallen pulsar]

needs to be 7 yards

[sweet summit]

hits, not amount

[toxic pewter]

good to know