take the general purpose one in the pins, but if you want you can get like BSV instead of Thunderlord
#protection
prisma crane
i suppose losing SoF is technically better since Thunderlord gives you more DS uptime, but that's really not necessary at all
and BSV isnt required either, it's just nice to have if youre worried about fucking up
if you ACTUALLY need BSV you probably would already be aware of when you'd need it, but it's ok for someone learning to use it anyways
far better habit to lean on BSV than just sitting in D stance
sitting in D stance is just poor play
fickle rose
yeah its not really for me just wanted to see the super tank version the the build for a friend
wanted to suggest some talent changes
prisma crane
yea its honestly just not that different
tulip kelp
To start get used to switching to D stance for tank busters
fickle rose
because i know blood has a giga dps vversion of the build then a super tank 1
and its pretty different
but yeah warrior seems pretty much the same
prisma crane
also, you'd swap Tough as Nails for Spell Block in dungeons like TJS, RLP,
urban portal
im not saying you sit in it
but to say you dont ever need it is highly exaggerated
you are still using it for spicy situations
gilded summit
also, you'd swap Tough as Nails for Spell Block in dungeons like TJS, RLP,
I’ve seen people play spell block in RLP but does it help with the second boss? If so, what exactly does it do on that boss?
potent torrent
hey everyone, is anyone able to help me select my vault reward? Is Puzzle Box actually as good to pick as it says in the report? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HASx3sG7iZm1x63Y5uCGi
prisma crane
I’ve seen people play spell block in RLP but does it help with the second boss? ...
reduces the initial hit, doesnt help the dot
mellow quartz
I’ve seen people play spell block in RLP but does it help with the second boss? ...
No
prisma crane
but you use it for all the trash too
gilded summit
Yeah for sure and those frigid shards on the first boss spank as well
mellow quartz
2nd boss is just using CD’s on the dot and spam the shit out of IP.
gilded summit
Yeah my group tried it at 19 and I just couldn’t live the dot. I need a lot more practice on that boss. Does spell reflect help the initial hit?
mellow quartz
The initial hits don’t matter. The dot is what kills you.
Wall, external, wall, LS and demo shout, wall
Spam IP
warm plinth
Yeah my group tried it at 19 and I just couldn’t live the dot. I need a lot more...
Neither the initial hit nor the DoT are spell block. The initial hit is blockable with regular Shield Block. The DoT is a physical one, hence Spell Block is completely useless for that mechanic.
mellow quartz
If dwarf then dwarf one 4 stack
warm plinth
Spell Reflection will do nothing as well
tender cove
Wall, external, wall, LS and demo shout, wall
is that with aegis or wall?
mellow quartz
Aegis
prisma crane
Neither the initial hit nor the DoT are spell block. The initial hit is blockab...
ah ok i think i was thinking of a different ability
warm plinth
tbf it's kinda misleading being called "searing" blow/wounds
since that sounds fire-ish
mellow quartz
Spell block reduces the initial hit there correct.
forest tulip
sad. didnt time on my key. the wind boss on NO is not fun lol
tender cove
sad. didnt time on my key. the wind boss on NO is not fun lol
it happens, think i've failed like 90% of my ruby keys.
slow token
should it be whetstone or runes for weapons
?
tender cove
haste all the way
slow token
Thanks!
thin cedar
I have a 21 ruby, I’m so excited
tender cove
I have a 21 ruby, I’m so excited
it will be fine, dont worry 😄
thin cedar
What’s the chances I time it?😂
tender cove
61.45%
thin cedar
Tbh prolly just gonna have to do a 20 no leaver kind of deal.. that’s how I feel about that key
tender cove
Tbh prolly just gonna have to do a 20 no leaver kind of deal.. that’s how I feel...
someone in here posted that last week, 131 deaths 😄
forest tulip
my new key is a +3 HoV 😦
nova rover
Hey guys whats the good phial this time around?
tender cove
my new key is a +3 HoV 😦
ez key to smash 😄
tender cove
my new key is a +3 HoV 😦
I feel like you need to focus in the entertainment and learning journey of the situation. Nobody here started out as pro, well, maybe sense lol... And pretty much everyone has someone tell them things they didnt know.
Just focus on having fun is my suggestion. Because if you're having fun? Learning will be a breeze.
But if you put up invisible walls in terms of "this dungeon", "this group comp" "this key level", you're gonna struggle for no reason, you're not gonna have that much fun and you'll probably give up on tanking or wow all together.
forest tulip
yeah, you're right. i shouldnt stress so much. i am having fun, though
tender cove
Something I do, almost everyday. I push keys with my new guild until I feel my focus drains and I can't perform good enough or I just dont want to run hard stuff?
Then I go into LFG and look for runs with "help", "need assistance" or just runs set to "completion"... And you go blast the shit out of that and carry the group in a +2-5 once you climbed up above 10s
thin cedar
131 deaths?!? Yeah imma do it after work in the morning and I’ll let you guys know😂
nova rover
yeah, you're right. i shouldnt stress so much. i am having fun, though
yea just relax
Have fun and slowly climb at your own pace 🙂
Sens is god level
tender cove
I did that today actually, did a +7 AA, pulled entire room with flies and everything. Peaked at 400k dps while the highest dps did 250k. Ended the pull at 125k
things like that, where you're this unkillable god like tank is just so much fun. Try it sometime 😄
Plus, you get to help some new wow player that struggles and people dont really wanna join his runs or w/e
so you also make their entire evening
its win win
wanton shale
and try not to get tilted when the pug rogue tells you RLP 2nd boss is easy to tank and he can't understand how you died
nova rover
LOL!
tender cove
yeah, you're right. i shouldnt stress so much. i am having fun, though
Put some goals up. Like next time you go "now i can play wow for a couple hours". Look what key you have, say +7. Ok, make it your goal to reach your first 10.
So each time you reach that? You'll feel both pride, sense of ackomlishment but most importantly, you will gain confidence in your ability to play
And then you just keep pushing that key and in 2 weeks? You're back at the gear/io curve and can pick your runs freely
First time you clear say a 10, you'll go "this wasnt that hard" and you get motivated todo higher. Remember that mindset and apply it to any dungeon you try todo.
For the most part, its only scary in your head because its unknown and yet to happy.
Ill end my wall of text with... Dont be afraid to brick a key, everyone does, Literally everyone. And we all do mistakes.
tender cove
and try not to get tilted when the pug rogue tells you RLP 2nd boss is easy to t...
Or, just blame the healer, ita 50/50 if it works but it always work.
wanton shale
lol
yea my alt is a resto druid so i'm generally sympathetic to healers in places i struggle with too
RLP big trash packs were even kinda rough on Fort since i was still getting used to healing, both weeks of that dungeon are hard to me as tank or healer
sick current
hey guys:O i just got https://i.imgur.com/wnWuQ4d.png and have full valor (i havent spent any) I can max level this shield or use a spark to get a 415 shield.. leveling this with valor is not a bad idea yea??
west adder
hey guys, i just rerolled from brew to prot war, i see a lot of ppl crafting their items with crit/mastery while others have haste/vers, is it to reach a specific cap of stats cause most guides say haste/vers but then i look at raider.io and ppls stats are all over
vestal lintel
Any mining gods that can advise me on which specialization to start with/order to follow?
warm plinth
hey guys:O i just got https://i.imgur.com/wnWuQ4d.png and have full valor (i hav...
No reason to waste valor on it if you can make one
sick current
but I could use the spark for another piece right?
warm plinth
Yeah but sparks aren't finite. Valor is
sick current
what else will i use valor on?
398-415 isnt too bad is it?
instead of 1, 415 piece, I can get 2. and that shield has great stats
sick current
yeah
sick current
well no i dont at all i dont mind waiting
but what do you guys think is a good item level threshold for spending valor on an item that is bis
405?
warm plinth
Any mining gods that can advise me on which specialization to start with/order t...
Is your goal to make gold from it or to craft with it?
405 would be what rank
warm plinth
Yeah I'm asking, what rank out of 13 is a 405 item
vestal lintel
Is it worthwhile taking a crafting proffesion in your opinion at this point or just make gold and get it crafted?
warm plinth
Yeah I think 405 is a good spot
sick current
alright
warm plinth
Is it worthwhile taking a crafting proffesion in your opinion at this point or j...
Probably the latter. Knowledge has no catch-up mechanic so if you haven't already started a crafting profession, you're way behind
vestal lintel
Thought that would be the case, I'll start to herbing/mining then so if you've got a good place to start putting knowledge in either would be appreicated
warm plinth
I am also herb/mining
I would go for botany's main node until it's maxed, and for mining it's called uh
sec
Mining Process
tender cove
Probably the latter. Knowledge has no catch-up mechanic so if you haven't alrea...
they fixed it?
warm plinth
Max those first
sick current
Ghash, do you like the bracer embellishment or belt embellishment (i dont have the fire ring) if you're mostly doing m+? I am trying to decide which one to craft now
warm plinth
Those will let you gather while mounted once maxed
It's really personal preference; they're about the same damage increase.
vestal lintel
Ah nice, thanks!
tender cove
Cant you get infinite knowledge with the bug?
warm plinth
Ah nice, thanks!
Once you're done with those, you probably want to go for the mastering the elements and titan-touched specialty/sub-specialty
warm plinth
Cant you get infinite knowledge with the bug?
I don't know anything about the bug but I'm pretty sure it was fixed a while ago
tender cove
I don't know anything about the bug but I'm pretty sure it was fixed a while ago
you could a proff, get the weekly quest for 3 knowledge, complete, remove proff, add proff back and repeat
cuz the weekly keeps resetting
warm plinth
Ah, yeah I can't imagine that stayed doable for long
I've bitched about knowledge multiple times in multiple discords and no one has ever suggested doing that
tender cove
i heard about it first week so might just gotten hotfixed
my only pet peeve with the system, no way to reset talents...wtf? Just make it a week long cd and done?
what would that harm?
forest tulip
the only healer ive gotten frustrated with was that monk and i wasnt even mad at them. healers are the backbone of any group, imo. its just that mw monk goes oom so quickly lol
warm plinth
I don't really care about being able to reset though I would not be opposed to there being a way. I'm more just peeved that knowledge is so hard to come by, especially when there is no catch-up to it. Like you have missed out on 12 knowledge per week just by not starting a profession at the start (that I know of; I'm not an expert by any means)
Well this is for gathering; I don't know how it works for craftables
tender cove
the only healer ive gotten frustrated with was that monk and i wasnt even mad at...
mm and its way to little per week
warm plinth
Gathering gets 8 knowledge per week from a limited quantity item you get while gathering. Then you get 1 knowledge from the treatises per week, and 3 from the weekly.
The other knowledge items are basically irrelevant. I think I've gotten maybe 2 from each profession and I've been farming daily for the last week and a half.
tender cove
disturebed patched of soils
warm plinth
no idea, I have never seen one of those
tender cove
maybe just for my proff then
warm plinth
I have seen rich soil, which I can plant seeds I get in
But they just spawn regular plants
full violet
The fact theres no knowledge drops from Something Like m+ imho is dog
tender cove
im mining/alchemy and I have distrubed soil, i dont plant like herb does on pala for more flowers
warm plinth
I mean I'm fine with it exclusively coming from the profession. But it's just too rare
full violet
It couldve been a "currency" that is weekly capped and drops from every activity
warm plinth
I don't think I'd want to have to do content on a toon that's dedicated to crafting (like an alt that is just used for that)
tender cove
I don't think I'd want to have to do content on a toon that's dedicated to craft...
thats my pala, he's the herb/mining slave but still runs content xD
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, only my rogue has professions and she's my main
But if I were to do them on an alt, like, I don't want to have to be spamming shit on multiple toons
There should at the very least be a higher drop rate of knowledge items if you're behind, and the items that are capped at 6 per week should be a cumulative cap
So that you can earn all the ones from previous weeks
Again this is for gathering. I don't even know how crafting gets their knowledge
Besides first crafts
full violet
Start of Expansion i was actually using proffs since a long time. Now it just feels like a timewaste to me.
warm plinth
yeah the problem is that if you were to start now, you're at a massive disadvantage
tulip kelp
What do you guys do for whelp aggro in RLP first boss?
full violet
What do you guys do for whelp aggro in RLP first boss?
Clap
tulip kelp
I mean to get them to come to you
mortal brook
⛈️ 👏
warm plinth
👢 🍵 👏
tulip kelp
I've had healers stand between boss and whelps and they get lit up
full violet
I mean to get them to come to you
Stack boss
mortal brook
Just have rest of group on the otherside of the boss?
warm plinth
Sounds like a healer problem
amber siren
If they're not stacking close to you they're trolling
tulip kelp
Just wanna make sure its a healer problem and not a me problem
Cause healer blaming me
full violet
If they're not stacking close to you they're trolling
This.
warm plinth
Like the group should be fairly stacked anyway to drop hailstorms
mortal brook
Give them the
?
tulip kelp
Says I'm supposed to leap over and pick them up lmao
full violet
Bs
mortal brook
?
warm plinth
nicely done Steve
full violet
Says I'm supposed to leap over and pick them up lmao
Thats another spot on ignore list id say
mortal brook
Thats just worse positioning issues. Having to leave your dps' ground effects so the healer can stand in a dn spot is a misplay
tender cove
What do you guys do for whelp aggro in RLP first boss?
shout for taunt fixate, precast ravager, tc, rev.
no specific order
warm plinth
Thats just worse positioning issues. Having to leave your dps' ground effects so...
a what spot? 😏
lament zealot
Is lariat BIS for embelishments?
warm plinth
It is about as sstrong as all the other embellishemnts
mortal brook
Good embellish yep
lament zealot
Huh. So they're all the same?
lament zealot
Aside from the belt which can proc the rings
tender cove
Says I'm supposed to leap over and pick them up lmao
I did this early on when both fixate and ravager off cd. To get 1-2 extra globals in for safety. But not really needed if ppl stand correctly.
lament zealot
The shield isn't on there
warm plinth
The shield is also meh
Though mostly because you can't customize the stats or remove the embellishment if you wanted
inland adder
Hi, on Mythic Sennarth I am noticing when the Gossamer web pull mechanic happens, the 2nd threat target ( the other tank) is catching a stray web blast. Does anyone know what could be causing this?
brisk gust
The belt is usually more than 1% dps for me atleast + with it u proc the rings which gives it another reason to choose it
lament zealot
Sucks the legs are bad because I went all in on leg crafting before I knew or looked into it
wcyd
foggy ruin
does strength give us any tankiness or just damage
silent anchor
does strength give us any tankiness or just damage
Tool tip tells u? But its everything
foggy ruin
Tool tip tells u? But its everything
yeah i see that its parry but im wondering if it affects like ignore pain or something
silent anchor
Don't know what u mean?
spring summit
I need tips for the 3rd boss of jade serpent this week, with 100k ignore pain & a shieldblock i get chunked for 50%+ of my hp pool and then the dot kills me before the healer catches up
silent anchor
I need tips for the 3rd boss of jade serpent this week, with 100k ignore pain & ...
Stack with SR and healer needs to be on point
spring summit
(im 388, it was a 14, the healer was 396)
foggy ruin
I need tips for the 3rd boss of jade serpent this week, with 100k ignore pain & ...
r u spellblocking
spring summit
I wasn't specced into spell block so i guess not
foggy ruin
spell block makes it pretty free
woven steppe
Does decoration of flame proc raid rings?
foggy ruin
Does decoration of flame proc raid rings?
yeah
woven steppe
Thankss
spring summit
also thanks
mortal brook
But not nearly sufficient rate To get full effect from the rings
2ppm hasted
A 2 minute On use is not Enough
mortal brook
Does decoration of flame proc raid rings?
so youd want something like the crafted frostfire belt, a 3ppm periodic tick debuff on target, to get full effect from the rings
short plover
does shield block block the dragon strike from last boss in AV?
forest tulip
ayyyee, timed a +5 NO
helped having a resto druid lol
there was also a toxic warlock who was flaming
some people told him to fuck off. he was the first to leave after we beat it and we checked the charts and he did mediocre damage lmao
mighty knoll
Anyone know how Sadanas Deathspike is coded in SMBG? Melee attacks inflicting shadow damage - would it require the spell block talent to block it?
Bit confused since it's melee was getting womped by it last tyran but I dont wanna brick this 21 later
urban portal
Anyone know how Sadanas Deathspike is coded in SMBG? Melee attacks inflicting s...
Usually the spell reflect sheet has details on that
wintry anvil
any tips for second boss in RLP? TB and DOT hurt.
warm plinth
any tips for second boss in RLP? TB and DOT hurt.
Cry, defensives, clench butthole, defensives, cry more
wintry anvil
damn, i nailed it then.
warm plinth
if you're dwarf or have an evoker, you can remove one of the dots
or if you get super lucky and parry the initial attack
tulip kelp
Do you know if eng battle rez is instant cast? Or is it pointless for tanks to get?
round cliff
on subcreation i see a lot of people dont take storm bolt
isnt storm bolt amazing tho?
warm plinth
It's pretty good
warm plinth
Do you know if eng battle rez is instant cast? Or is it pointless for tanks to g...
It never has been in the past, so I doubt it. Usually it's a ~4 sec cast
mint gulch
Howdy warriors
mighty knoll
Usually the spell reflect sheet has details on that
ty
tulip kelp
It never has been in the past, so I doubt it. Usually it's a ~4 sec cast
So pointless for tank to have lol
steady steppe
on subcreation i see a lot of people dont take storm bolt
For top level coordinated groups I would assume u don't need it
round cliff
top players arent immune to horrible awful key ruining mistakes
cat knocked over my pc, sun was in my eyes, etc
pallid quiver
You also have to remember that people are stupid and won't take it because they need more survivability because they're a tank, they survive
so they grab things like pain and gain instead
past gyro
can spell reflect crit?
warm plinth
No @past gyro
pallid quiver
It's one of the most filler points on class tree
Storm Bolt legit gives you and your party more survivability by virtue of just making the cast not go out
warm plinth
I actually calculated how much HPS it was on one of the top warriors
round cliff
Storm Bolt legit gives you and your party more survivability by virtue of just m...
i take both
pallid quiver
i grab bounding stride/int shout/things like that over pain and gain easy
past gyro
is it worth not taking intimidating shout for pain and fain?
warm plinth
no
round cliff
i dont bother with intim shout
lofty widget
youd probably swap overwhelming rage out if you really wanted pain and gain
but its very meh
warm plinth
Who even uses overwhelming rage in the first place
lapis kiln
Sorry im out of topic but god damn I love our spec right now
round cliff
i dont take overwhelming rage either
pallid quiver
i also don't bring overwhelming rage
lofty widget
i do cause cba thinking about overcapping
warm plinth
fair enough
round cliff
as far as intim shout goes
if my kick + storm bolt + shockwave is STILL not enough kicks
fuck my group in general
warm plinth
Intimidating shout is not on stun DR though
warm plinth
That's why it's good
warm plinth
and honestly, I would give up shockwave before I'd give up intimidating shout, because shockwave is stun DR and it's one of the shortest stuns in the game, if not the shortest
forest tulip
ayyyee. did a +6 AC in time. now i have a jade serpant +7
pallid quiver
ayyyee. did a +6 AC in time. now i have a jade serpant +7
Steps at a time build you out; keep on pushing
👍
warm plinth
Congrats apollo, keep it up
round cliff
im just learning to tank and its gonna feel bad going from higher keys as dps to lower keys as tank
just to learn
why cant i know everything rn
warm plinth
We just need like, a computer that can download knowledge to our brain
lofty widget
trial by fire
warm plinth
and muscle memory
round cliff
ur right ill jump into this 14 i have rn
pallid quiver
trial by fire is what i've been forced to do in past expacs
though that's more "come back from hiatus and get told to somehow tank top tier content with catchup gear"
warm plinth
ur right ill jump into this 14 i have rn
ngl I decided in Shadowlands I was gonna learn to heal once, so I swapped from boomie to resto, and immediately went into a 16 fortified ToP
pallid quiver
not "Learn how to tank" since i'm kinda really a prot one-trick
round cliff
Intimidating shout is not on stun DR though
what about in intim shout instead of storm bolt then
warm plinth
I never played rdruid again after that, though I did go back later and do rsham pretty successfully
pallid quiver
Depending on comp, might actually do that, but Bolt's on a pretty short CD and is a bit less bad duration wise
warm plinth
Eh, I mean, storm bolt is pretty good because at least it's a longer stun. And it's ST so if you are DRing something, it's one mob
pallid quiver
Also only DRs one mob
warm plinth
Stop reading my fucking mind Luerce 😠
round cliff
thought intim shout wasnt on DR
pallid quiver
Yeah, Int Shout is on fear DR instead, which is infinitely less common for AOE stops/CC
round cliff
so yea if ur not expecting to have to carry kicks w/ storm bolt
pallid quiver
I
Can't actually think of any other AOE fears off the top of my head
round cliff
why not intim shout instead
round cliff
I
Can't actually think of any other AOE fears off the top of my head
lock has one
forest tulip
is bloodlust something i need to worry about
edgy spear
I
Can't actually think of any other AOE fears off the top of my head
Priest fear
round cliff
dh sigil?
pallid quiver
i've lived so long on the berserker rage life i've just never really learned what was a fear, it was just reaction press
warm plinth
@round cliff
pallid quiver
is bloodlust something i need to worry about
In terms of what? To drop your CDs around or anything? If so, not particularly
Just chuck your CDs on CD and they'll do what they do
rotund dew
Someone knows if i can add Embellishments after the item is crafted? e.g. with a recraf?
warm plinth
we have CDs often enough that there's a big chance you'll have avatar up during it anyway
round cliff
so if i get rid of barb training and pain and gain
shell trail
Someone knows if i can add Embellishments after the item is crafted? e.g. with ...
Yes you can with recraft
warm plinth
Someone knows if i can add Embellishments after the item is crafted? e.g. with ...
You can, but be careful because if they can't necessarily make the same rank, your ilevel could go down.
pallid quiver
Yeah, those are the ones I rock
warm plinth
And adding an embellishment increases the skill required
rotund dew
Just for a 405 shield. Want the food on death effect
pallid quiver
Barb is too rage inefficient at the moment, Pain and Gain does have use, but I'd prefer the stops of Int Shout over it
and bounding stride is the flex point
round cliff
pallid quiver
Can grab things like Intervene for HoV Fenryr or something
round cliff
i love bounding stride too much to give it up
i think the flex point should b sidearm
warm plinth
Pretty sure that's the exact tree I'm playing with rn
round cliff
how much dps does sidearm even add
pallid quiver
sidearm's actually a lot of damage
warm plinth
like 1.75-2%
pallid quiver
Normally like 3-5%
warm plinth
👀
round cliff
1.75%, its a flex point
warm plinth
But, it is a flex point, so
Well, it's a choice
A small amount of damage or a utility spell
round cliff
though my flex point is probably like, intim shout
warm plinth
Pick whichever you want
round cliff
id rather have wrecking throw than intim shout in rlp yknow?
warm plinth
why?
forest tulip
does anyone run shield charge? or is it a meme talent
round cliff
because its funny on the first boss
round cliff
does anyone run shield charge? or is it a meme talent
shield charge busted
warm plinth
Literally everyone runs shield charge
warm plinth
Yes, you take both
round cliff
so is everyone else
pallid quiver
Simply spec both
warm plinth
Look at the build in the pins
forest tulip
thank you!
pallid quiver
thunderlord's for cowards, battering ram all the way
warm plinth
Yes, that, although a lot of folks are playing battering ram over thunderlord
But either is fine. Thunderlord is just more defensive
pallid quiver
I'd recommend Thunderlord first tbh
forest tulip
i feel like battle scarred veteran saves my ass too often
warm plinth
Uh
pallid quiver
If it's saving you, something has gone wrong at keys that level
warm plinth
That seems like not a thing that should be happening
warm plinth
You're doing a lot of misplay if it's saving your ass at all
forest tulip
im just bad 
warm plinth
Like, it doesn't even proc until you're below 30%
forest tulip
ill try that tree, though!
warm plinth
And to get below 30% at that key level, idk man
warm plinth
Even if you spammed IP and ignored block I'm not sure you should get that low
at that key level
round cliff
simply block and spam IP
pallid quiver
mechanics could potentially get you that low
round cliff
with ravager down and avatar up you should be generating a whole rage bar every time u blink
pallid quiver
So might want to double check if you're getting clipped by avoidable things, too
mint gulch
Is there a good guideline on what key levels I should be aiming for based on ilevel?
pallid quiver
whichever you don't die in
warm plinth
not really. You can go up pretty high even with low gear
oblique kayak
Is there a good guideline on what key levels I should be aiming for based on ile...
all depends on skill and Team
round cliff
do keys until you explode on pull
warm plinth
But you might have to run your own key
round cliff
thats when u know its too much
mint gulch
lool
oblique kayak
there are poeple doing 20 at 385 - while im on 18 on 403
pallid quiver
It's mostly about doing the mechanics and controlling mobs properly
mint gulch
I was doing a +16 temple and the 3rd boss was wrecking my shit
I had to setup defensives perfectly just to survive her stupid dot
forest tulip
i think sometimes i throw myself into the middle of the mobs so im surrounded. ill try to work on having them all in front
pallid quiver
Yeah, can't block from behind
round cliff
ur a tank, ur legally allowed to backpedal
pallid quiver
so you start actually experiencing this weird thing called "damage"
mighty valley
Also since you wanna open with charge and not leap, and charge puts everything in front of you
round cliff
is shockwave a good way to try to leash in casters
or will they start casting again after the stun
pallid quiver
Mostly LOS in current dungeons or drag to caster
pallid quiver
If dungeon design was different, talenting into the Challenging Shout AOE interrupt might be useful
glacial skiff
Anyone know the weak aura that shows your group’s stun/CC’s attached to their kick CD?
pallid quiver
But most times you want to gather multiple casters, there's an easy los spot
forest tulip
am i hurting myself by putting "noob tank" in my group title? i wanna let people know that im not that experienced but uh, i wanna actually find people lol
pallid quiver
People will probably dodge you like the plague tbh
The larger majority of the player base plays to get reward, not to learn or challenge themselves or help others practice or anything
mint gulch
I have a lot of patience for people willing to admit they are learning a dungeon
odd topaz
i totally forgot i can LOS things
What’s LOS?
sinful root
I think saying learning would get better results rather than saying noob tank
pallid quiver
And it's why when going up key levels, people tend to get very... angy over failed keys
forest tulip
yeeah, i relisted it. line of sight
pallid quiver
What’s LOS?
Line of sight, yeah
mint gulch
It's more frustrating when I ask 'Does anyone need tips for this boss?' and get crickets.
odd topaz
Thanks. So how does line of sight help to get casters ?
pallid quiver
In this context, you get aggro on a mob and then hide behind a wall/pole/something so the mob has to come to you to cast
Since they don't have LOS on you and cannot, therefore, cast
odd topaz
In this context, you get aggro on a mob and then hide behind a wall/pole/somethi...
Oh!!
compact mortar
yo do people actually use Granyths Enduring Scale, I got a 402 from the 17 I just did
I have Blazebinder and Horn
round cliff
am i hurting myself by putting "noob tank" in my group title? i wanna let people...
remember that nothing is your fault
blame the healer
dps didnt kick
etc
pallid quiver
It usually helps to let people know that you're LOS'ing beforehand so they don't go extreme mega overload CDs and rip aggro, as a heads up
odd topaz
Right
round cliff
It usually helps to let people know that you're LOS'ing beforehand so they don't...
can you do a raidwarning in a party?
odd topaz
Thanks I’m a new tank and returning player to wow
pallid quiver
you... should iirc, yell would also work for that purpose
No worries, asking actual questions to learn is always allowed in this chat
forest tulip
youre right! did i pull too many mobs? no! its the dps' fault
pallid quiver
yo do people actually use Granyths Enduring Scale, I got a 402 from the 17 I jus...
Usually not; Tanks don't need defensive trinkets much, so they run DPS to make mobs stop being alive to murder your DPS faster
fallen pulsar
cannot get a single chest piece to drop, honestly going to end up using my next spark to craft one lmao
sinful root
Which enchant do you guys prefer ? Sophic or frozen devotion ?
fallen pulsar
396 ilvl but chest is still 379
pallid quiver
i'll have you know all the failed keys I've had recently have, in fact, been either the healer or DPS' fault
it's weird playing very solidly and then just seeing DPS get blasted by the most telegraphed shit
all without getting told i'm trash at tanking
it's like they recognized they fucked up which is wild
mint gulch
I kind of wish tanks get leap of faith
fallen pulsar
have you tried running with 4 shaman? every time they fuck up they can brez themselves ezpz
mint gulch
there's so many times I see a big telegraphed attack and a rogue or a hunter just standing there
pallid quiver
Which enchant do you guys prefer ? Sophic or frozen devotion ?
Sophic generally ends up better in AOE at higher ilvl, but sim
i want to always run with shamans, particularly enhancement shamans. I dunno, I guess I just like watching their moveset. 🙂
runic cobalt
Guys ive got a question. Ive got 4 piece from normal. Just got 2 upgrades in ilvl (4 per piece) should i keep 4 piece or take 2 piece and the 2 small ilvl upgrades?
fallen pulsar
how small?
runic cobalt
4 per piece so from 398 to 402 both
mortal brook
worth
runic cobalt
Stats are haste ver on both i believe
Im not sure how much the 5% conversion to ip is worth
lofty widget
depends if you feel you need the defensive bit of 4p
fallen pulsar
4 piece is only like 5% leech, so its probably better
lofty widget
but the ilvl will be more dps
fallen pulsar
you'd probably be fine without it, but shrug
pallid quiver
I'd keep both bits of gear around and pass around as necessary
fallen pulsar
you could try running without 4 piece and see how it feels
pallid quiver
The 4-set is pretty noticeable in terms of smoothing your damage intake, but it is less damage
due to the lack of ilvl
runic cobalt
Maybe ill equip it for m+
pallid quiver
And 4p not having an offensive element
fallen pulsar
after being out the previous tyrannical week, just got to 2k io 🙂
time to push for 2500
runic cobalt
I was dissapointed the first time i had 2 piece, i thought it stackdd 😦
hasty field
There was a conversation just couple of mins ago about int shout. Could you tell me pls do we use it just as a regular cc option to stop the mobs from casting or it has some “hidden features”/tricks?
runic cobalt
With a group of casters its amazing
pallid quiver
There was a conversation just couple of mins ago about int shout. Could you tell...
Mostly an AOE stop
hasty field
I had underestimated it myself until yesterday when I picked it up. Felt giga useful
wraith onyx
Its usefull on all dungs
fiery warren
hi, item lvl or 2 set tier ?
fallen pulsar
not saying it isn't useful
wraith onyx
2 set
fallen pulsar
but I usually run with a DH, so we have AoE stops covered for the most part
fiery warren
ty
hasty field
The other thing is that do we use an additional talent for our aoe taunt? The one that makes it also silence
I don’t see anyone running it but it feels like it may be useful as well
past lark
It’s great for specific pulls
wraith onyx
who are you checking to see that no one is running it
fallen pulsar
its useful
pallid quiver
It's very situational, as it's not a silence; it's an interrupt
past lark
Like i’d say it’s important if you’re pugging RLP and want to be able to skip Flamegullet
pallid quiver
So all the mobs have to be casting at the same time for it to take effect
past lark
Because no pug group is going to perfectly kick the pack for you to bring up the stairs
pallid quiver
In most current use cases, you can solve the same problem by simply utilizing LOS
Due to how the dungeons are laid out
past lark
Yup exactly
Basically only useful for open area pulls
Think Dathea platforms and RLP upper floor
hasty field
dathea platforms are a great use for it
For sure, question was just about m+ environment
past lark
I mean i’d say it’s the most important talent on Dathea
hasty field
Roger guys, thanks a lot
past lark
But yeah if you’re asking for m+, it’s hard to find dungeons besides RLP where you’d use that
fallen pulsar
nokhud on fort is nice
past lark
And even then, it’s for like 3 pulls in the whole dungeon
fallen pulsar
with all the death bolts
past lark
Yeah nokhud is a good example actually
wraith onyx
For sure, question was just about m+ environment
you will also see a lack of use at the higher 1% top players as they are in teams and have every kick accounted for before the key starts. I love to use it for pugs
past lark
Maybe AA?
wraith onyx
AA before last boss, AV platform with a bunch of caster adds
fallen pulsar
AA isn't that kick heavy tbh
hasty field
you will also see a lack of use at the higher 1% top players as they are in team...
That’s also true. Most of the time I play with my group of ppl so it’s kind of manageable
wraith onyx
i usually pull everything before last boss in AA
past lark
AA isn't that kick heavy tbh
The pre-vex adds
fallen pulsar
I guess if you're trying to pull more than one pack in that room
past lark
The three packs before vex and the pack right after bird
Nah even separate they’re pretty kick heavy
fallen pulsar
but otherwise its very manageable
past lark
100%, im not saying improved int shout is needed there
I’m saying if you had to stretch use cases for it, you could argue those pulls
fallen pulsar
idk I might be spoiled by being able to coordinate with a DH to int two things, then AoE stuns afterwards
ornate marsh
Any tips on mitigation for Jade serpent strike in temple? 16s and it’s a bit of a heart attack every time. 390 ilvl so feel like the gear is okay.
fallen pulsar
for the subsequent casts
mint gulch
Any tips on mitigation for Jade serpent strike in temple? 16s and it’s a bit of ...
I just asked the same question like 20 minutes ago
past lark
idk I might be spoiled by being able to coordinate with a DH to int two things, ...
I just made the face of your profile pic while reading this
fallen pulsar
lmao
ornate marsh
Hahaha oh man sorry
past lark
I just asked the same question like 20 minutes ago
Yeah bro how dare you ask a question instead of scrolling through 100+ messages to see if your question was asked
wraith onyx
I just asked the same question like 20 minutes ago
did you get an answer tho
mint gulch
I wasn't complaining
fallen pulsar
I'm very sad they removed stair cheese
mint gulch
I just found it funny that I asked the exact same question at the exact same key level
fallen pulsar
but also i guess I gotta do that mechanic now :L
mint gulch
I usually do full stack IP + spell reflect, SW, full stack IP + spell reflect, Demo Shout
and by then the phase is over
past lark
How dare you find something funny and how dare i misread it as complaining and how dare they remove stair cheese
Wait they removed stair cheese?
wraith onyx
ornate marsh
Yeah today
jagged pier
u plan your cds
past lark
“We realize you found a clever way of dealing with a very shit mechanic, both of which were by our design. We’ve fixed it so you can fully enjoy the shit mechanic”
jagged pier
u spell block 1
u SW 1
u spell reflect all of them
u IV after the hit on every other one
jagged pier
u last stand after the hit on one where u dont IV
past lark
Did you mean spell block
wraith onyx
for damage mitigation
fallen pulsar
thought it was a DoT that couldnt be mit
past lark
I think it blocks the damage but not the healing absorb, but i could be wrong
wraith onyx
the first phase is completely blockable
fallen pulsar
with spell block
jagged pier
jagged pier
temple is a spell block dungeon
fallen pulsar
HP pot is clutch
ornate marsh
Great info. Thanks 🙏🏻
fallen pulsar
128k hp heal
jagged pier
because they eat away at the absorb shield
thats why u LS after the hit as well
as its 'technically' heals u for 30%
but u dont IV and LS the same one
fallen pulsar
wish rally counted as a heal
ornate marsh
Is there a spell reflect spreadsheet? Pins?
past lark
Live laugh love on the fourth
fallen pulsar
ye
ornate marsh
I’m the worst lol. Thanks team 🤦🏻♂️
jagged pier
U can also run double sw in temple
mint gulch
sw?
fallen pulsar
double shield wall + spell block sounds like the move for high keys in temple
for maximum safety pants
ornate marsh
Agree. I love safety pants
past lark
Random question. What io is considered “good”
Like realistically good, not “well you’re not really good until 3k”
jagged pier
wish I could spell block the 2nd RLP boss bleed <:sadga:869134702970273812>
Thats why u run crit because u can parry it
fallen pulsar
idk probably anyone rocking 2200+? This is also a sliding scale question because as people gear up they can do higher keys with less skill
and average io gets higher
past lark
I only ask because im almost 2400 but not sure how that stacks up. Like how much of that is because i’m good and how much is because i’m a 405 prot warrior
fallen pulsar
shrug, could be column A and B
you need gear to push high and you need good skills
past lark
Yeah, feel like there’s no solid measure of skill for m+ besides io, but io doesn’t tell the whole story
At least for raiding, parsing is pretty clear cut
past lark
You dps’d better than 99% of players
Or worse than 46%, whatever. But yeah like you said i bring in 2200 io DPS that are doing the dumbest shit or have completely unbound their interrupt
past lark
Yeah but it’s also just purely io
lucid dew
Does anyone using enduring scale. Is it a good sub to all totem if I haven’t gotten it yet?
fallen pulsar
its the only comparative measure you have, similar to parsing
out of all the people pushing keys, you're XXXX rank
fallen lichen
but u dont IV and LS the same one
I can’t come up what IV means?
past lark
So i guess until you get to super high io, it’s a tossup between you being geared and you being good. But there’s a breaking point where “okay no way you got here just being geared”
fallen pulsar
impending victory
I'd say so
but idk, if you're timing high keys you need to have skill
past lark
I’d imagine that breaking point is 2600, where you have to have timed all 19s on average
jagged pier
Does anyone using enduring scale. Is it a good sub to all totem if I haven’t got...
all totem is the best tank trinket in keys u dont sub it
fallen pulsar
your gear doesnt interrupt, stun, do dps, etc
it just enables you to not get one shot
fallen lichen
impending victory
Ooooohhh yea, off course. It’s called victory rush in my head still. Thanks! ❤️
past lark
True, it definitely took me some repeat failures until i was able to time 17 AV this week
Shit is absolutely rough
jagged pier
for the other conversation u dont need to be good at all to have a high io
u need a good group around u
mortal brook
thought whetstone grieftorch boon were the best tanking trinkets
jagged pier
well they do the most damage
mortal brook
stuff stops doin damage to me when they die
jagged pier
but all totem does a lot of stuff u dont see
mortal brook
very tonk
jagged pier
like for 99% of ppl i would recommend all totem over say boon
just because u use boon wrong u die
fallen pulsar
I do remember people here looking at top IO prot warrior talents and being very confused lmao
jagged pier
and also the more crit u runn the better all totem is cause parry
fallen pulsar
some very questionable choices
lucid dew
So all totem and decoration of flame is the move ?
forest tulip
im embarrassed how long it to realize that using shield slam reduces the cd of shield wall by 5 seconds....
fallen pulsar
but with a coordinated group and good planning, pushing m+ is much easier
jagged pier
So all totem and decoration of flame is the move ?
its what i run but i also have no other trinkets
🤷
lucid dew
I haven’t gotten an all totem yet. Cutrntyly running decoration of flame and whetstone
fallen pulsar
im embarrassed how long it to realize that using shield slam reduces the cd of s...
unless you run double shield wall 
mortal brook
dying cuz of the boon root is un-based
warm plinth
dying cuz of the boon root is un-based
Dying to boon is just a learning experience
mortal brook
make the other things die to boon 
forest tulip
got a burial grounds +8. pray for me
median tulip
So all totem and decoration of flame is the move ?
I use all-totem and windscar whetstone
jovial wedge
How do you guys handle Kozia's Blazehoof searing wounds?
royal rune
jagged pier
How do you guys handle Kozia's Blazehoof searing wounds?
pray
jovial wedge
I use SW on the first, LS on the second, but for the third one I have nothing and always die
lofty widget
bring 2 evokers and you never have to worry about it
jovial wedge
I´m no dwarf 😦
warm plinth
u can parry it and gte less stacks
yeah just press parry amirite 😉
warm plinth
I´m no dwarf 😦
this sounds like a failing on your part
Save demo for one where you don't have a CD, go defensive stance, pray your healer has balls of steel
Or ovaries of steel
jovial wedge
haha shiat!
fallen pulsar
that feel when I want to cosmetically be a kul tiran, but being a dwarf would be so much better for m+
jovial wedge
can I also try to kite it?
fallen pulsar
no
warm plinth
no
warm plinth
that feel when I want to cosmetically be a kul tiran, but being a dwarf would be...
Kul Tiran and Dwarf both have pretty good heritage though tbh
warm plinth
But I have to admit KT is better
fallen pulsar
ye I love rocking the kul tiran captain's coat
mint gulch
intimidate the enemies with the clapping of your cheeks
fallen pulsar
it is, it helps with repositioning
mortal brook
ARE WE SHARING OUR KUL TIRAN MOGS? I HAVE ONE
fallen pulsar
especially during sanguine
warm plinth
The only kul tiran mog that matters besides heritage is the dad bod superman one
fallen pulsar
but dwarf DoT cleanse is so clutch for these dungeons
mortal brook
The only kul tiran mog that matters besides heritage is the dad bod superman one
FAIRY PRINCESS
warm plinth
what in the fuck
fallen pulsar
thats incredible
warm plinth
is that
fallen pulsar
superiority
mortal brook
FAIRY PRINCESS
median tulip
FAIRY PRINCESS
Amazing
jagged pier
FAIRY PRINCESS
the best tmog
warm plinth
but dwarf DoT cleanse is so clutch for these dungeons
dwarf decision is hard too because like, dwarf heritage or DID sick hair and better racial (imo)
mortal brook
WHICH DWARF TO PLAY?? https://clips.twitch.tv/StormyMoistElkDuDudu-gM2l270A8n6o5gme
fallen pulsar
I wish bitter immunity still had the bleed cleanse from beta
but I guess even gods must bleed
mortal brook
she runs fast
warm plinth
BTW why not? Does she hit someone else at melee range if you do?
good luck outranging it
mortal brook
she axe far
warm plinth
Not unless they buffed leap to go 300 yards when DF launched
jovial wedge
oh got it
mortal brook
rip Leaper
jovial wedge
thanks for the info!
cinder storm
No it doesn't, source, I died
warm plinth
RIP Leaper. Gave us the lego twice and still didn't get it as a talent 😢
inland mesa
I may be omega dumb atm, but how do you see what stance someone was in on logs
warm plinth
rip Leaper
and Timeless Stratagem 😢
cinder storm
Under stances
warm plinth
I may be omega dumb atm, but how do you see what stance someone was in on logs
Buffs, like anything else
mortal brook
sephuz boots still best leggo combo
inland mesa
yeah I don't see it on buff
warm plinth
I liked running timeless with the fury pvp talent that gave them extra leap
probably did the key/fight without a stance
cinder storm
Post log
jagged pier
im like 90% they dont show on logs
warm plinth
They won't show up if you have it active before the log starts and don't swap at any point
Not sure why
inland mesa
weirdge, was trying to compare why I was doing 20k more than another tank that killed kurog tonight, in the same time frame
so wanted to check if he was in defensive
jagged pier
or
cinder storm
In any case the category would be "Stances, forms and other seals"
inland mesa
same trinkets, eranog and all totem so that's not it
fallen pulsar
What class is the other tank?
inland mesa
prot warrior
edgy spear
20k dps is a "shield slam 8 cpm" issue
inland mesa
yeah, his shield slam is 1.06m over the course of time I'm looking at, mine is 2.67mil
fallen pulsar
Yep
cinder storm
it shows for the other warrior so either zero stance or logs didnt capture it
fallen pulsar
Low cpm andy
warm plinth
Yeah it looks like I was correct because here is defensive stance in a log
I think it only shows if it's cast during the encounter
inland mesa
I sat in battle the whole time so would have some merit to that theory
forest tulip
ayyyeee
warm plinth
That explains why battle isn't showing on my warrior's dungeon log either
forest tulip
i did shadowmoon
warm plinth
But unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a way to tell which stance he was in the entire time x_x
forest tulip
now i have a +10 for RLP
warm plinth
:pog:
fallen pulsar
I mean if he’s bad he sat in dstance
warm plinth
Or he's just bad in general, or both
iron cosmos
So this is the moment I find out you're not supposed to be in defensive stance? 😛
cinder storm
When you start getting trucked
inland mesa
I swapped to defensive for a few pulls on kurog cuz it was spicey
jagged pier
but its more of a defensive at this point for more ppl
fallen pulsar
@warm plinth he had 88% shield block uptime 
inland mesa
but was battle by the end of the night as we're like 8% off, so I wanted more damage
fallen pulsar
Really bad
cinder storm
It should be very hard not to be 100% in raid or at least 95%+
inland mesa
oh shit you right, where the fuck did I let it drop
wraith onyx
do we prio ilvl over 4p?, dungeons specifically
fallen pulsar
Generally seems to be the case if what I’ve seen here is correct
4pc is roughly 5% leech
cinder storm
Its a bit case by case basis, depends on your ilvl, but if you have 2p and new gear is like 15 ilvls over, I'd take ilvl
fallen pulsar
So if you’re boosting ilvl a lot it is likely better
wraith onyx
can drop legs 389 for 402, so ig not worth currently. Nothing else to switch out, just legs lacking a lot
fallen pulsar
Wish I had higher ilvl for my heroic parses 😦 will be like 85% general parse but 98% ilvl
inland mesa
ewww I let it drop during a searing carnage, apparently need to watch that better while calling movement for the raid
good catch
proud sable
Just curious how other prot warriors are dealing with the 3rd boss in temple of the jade serpent? espeicially the jade serpent kick
uncut notch
Boys is anyone else finding this m+ season kind of mid? I’m usually obsessed with mythic + and chasing score/achieves/portals but I’m really not interested this time round. Not sure if it’s the dungeons themselves being super mid or the affix…
uncut notch
Just curious how other prot warriors are dealing with the 3rd boss in temple of ...
Spell reflect. Run like fuck, impending victory
mint gulch
I blame Thundering
lone eagle
Just curious how other prot warriors are dealing with the 3rd boss in temple of ...
You can Impending Victory every other one
make sure to have a fat IP stacked before each one
fallen pulsar
Just curious how other prot warriors are dealing with the 3rd boss in temple of ...
Spell block, double shiel wall, iv first cast ls second iv third hopefully transition after that otherwise carry a lock cookie/red potion
uncut notch
I 2k’d on week 2 and have barely done any since
mint gulch
it's a much less hype +10 affix than anything that came before
lone eagle
And you can Healing Potion or Healthstone the ones you don't have IV for
You can cover 5 with a healthstone
IV, pot, IV, healthstone , IV
mint gulch
prideful was hype as shit
planning a big prideful pull was super fun
storming is just a chore
inland mesa
I'm 8 points from 2.5k D:
jagged pier
im sitting at 2300 and somthing still dont have point on a tryan Hov 
uncut notch
it's not enough damage to be really compelling
Also damage doesn’t “feel” like anything
Should be a haste buff
mint gulch
yeah
uncut notch
Because then you’re podracing
mint gulch
or a huge damage buff
fallen pulsar
Thundering just makes me dislike ranged lmfao
They always run like headless chickens
proud sable
You can cover 5 with a healthstone
Thanks for the info mate, was in a 19 today with an evoker healer and was just really struggling with it.
fallen pulsar
Evokers though have been so clutch with the fly to ally
wanton shale
the 2nd RLP boss always does the searing dot thing shortly after the add spawns?
noble lynx
Thanks for the info mate, was in a 19 today with an evoker healer and was just r...
Evokers are rly bad at that type of healing
fallen pulsar
I’ll honestly eat some storming tornadoes for my melee dps when it’s safe to do so, it tickles me at the keys I’ve been running
Unless its a giga trash pull
fallen pulsar
I always win on big trash packs 😎
wanton shale
we have IV up for every cycle, can we get SW up fast enough for every other cycle?
inner hound
yesterday I told my healer to iron bark me on every 3rd add
thought he would understand
but he literally barked me when it spawned
wanton shale
which ones do you do SW on? I'm still screwing it up
wintry anvil
Need opinion... Lariat or PML to 418 first?
buoyant patrol
Hi all,
What is your average uptime on vanguard (2p) in a key ?
fallen pulsar
which ones do you do SW on? I'm still screwing it up
Thought you were talking about jade
My b
I still have to beat that boss on a 15
wanton shale
ahh sorry interjected my hard boss into someone else's prolly even harder boss lol
buoyant patrol
Yeah. Curious to know what people do in high keys. I’m at 50% and I want to know if that is low or very low ^^’ (doing 16s atm)
inner hound
I think ruby 2nd hurts way more than temple 3rd, and there's less you can do about him too
wintry anvil
Need suggestion... Lariat or Primal Molten Longsword to 418 first?
fallen pulsar
Being a dwarf helps massively with rlp 2nd boss
wanton shale
Pally BOP clears bleed too?
edgy spear
we have IV up for every cycle, can we get SW up fast enough for every other cycl...
If you have enough slam casts then yeah, should be able to. It's about 1:05-1:10ish between 1st and 3rd.
fallen pulsar
Bop works
fallen pulsar
If you have enough slam casts then yeah, should be able to. It's about 1:05-1:10...
Can also run double sw for guaranteed
wanton shale
so we SW 1st and 3rd, LS 2nd, and we'd need an external for 4th?
fallen pulsar
Ls + dstance probably
edgy spear
Dstance + save a demo shout for it if needed. Pot/HS too.
lyric geode
Guys
I try to queue for a 16 key
Nobody seems to keep in mind of me for some reason
2k rio is low?
storm merlin
for 16s? yes
wanton shale
another thing i haven't figured out, that huge reflect dmg for elemental boss in NO - do we just back out of melee each time SR is off CD to bait the cast and get free dmg?
lyric geode
I have a HoV 16
inner hound
another thing i haven't figured out, that huge reflect dmg for elemental boss in...
yeah that's what you do
inner hound
on last boss you also reflect the conducting strike for big dam
wanton shale
sweet gotta learn all the perks I can get to get through these lol thx
edgy spear
another thing i haven't figured out, that huge reflect dmg for elemental boss in...
yes
run out, press spell reflect. Once he starts casting, charge back in to make sure you close the gap to not get double cast (+ rage gen)
Safest to press reflect when you see the cast bar
because he might be busy casting other shit and you dont want it to run out before he finishes the cast on you
fallen pulsar
I try to queue for a 16 key
Just spam queue sbg and cos 16
You’ll get em eventually
lyric geode
The thing, from what I hear.
Everyone wanna spam 16s for the primal infusion
Just timed a TJS from 10s I had to 15 ++
But still
Feels awkard that I have to time as well AV RLP
fading girder
What buttons are you using for battle and defensive stance? Can't think of a convenient keybind
ebon wren
What buttons are you using for battle and defensive stance? Can't think of a con...
ctrl-1, ctrl-2. macrod so it doesn't toggle, only sets.
fallen pulsar
I use q/shift+q
edgy spear
Shift-R. Have a one button macro
fallen pulsar
Shield slam is 2 for me
lyric geode
Shift-R. Have a one button macro
Shield Charge
fading girder
ctrl-1, ctrl-2. macrod so it doesn't toggle, only sets.
Ah, that's good one. Those aren't taken yet. How do you macro it like that?
fallen pulsar
(Mmo mouse user)
lyric geode
(Mmo mouse user)
Chad mouse over gang
lone eagle
Void elf simming highest on bloodmallet 🤔
The patented leap away, void tp in the away direction, charge back, take the tp style-on-the-mages tech
fallen pulsar
Nobody ever expects the warrior teleport
ebon wren
Ah, that's good one. Those aren't taken yet. How do you macro it like that?
/cast [stance:0/1] Battle Stance
/cast [stance:0/2] Defensive Stance
warm plinth
That's a very awkward way of macroing it but I guess that'd probably work.
lyric geode
/cast [stance:0/1] Battle Stance
Chad move
ebon wren
that way I can spam the button and it wont take me out
warm plinth
Yeah, you can also just do it like this though:
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance
The exclamation mark is a macro conditional specifically for toggleable abilities; it prevents them from toggling.
pine storm
But... there's a CD, isn't it? 🤔
lyric geode
Yeah, you can also just do it like this though:
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!...
I feel macro is like programming. There are tons of ways for the same outcome
ebon wren
you do you
warm plinth
But... there's a CD, isn't it? 🤔
What's your point?
pine storm
For the guy above
warm plinth
Well the way either of these macros is written, it won't do anything if a.) you're in the correct stance or b.) the stance you're trying to cast is on CD.
so like, if I'm in defensive stance, it'll swap me to battle stance. IF it's on CD, it just won't do anything, but it won't remove me from Defensive Stance
Same way in reverse if I press it while I'm in Battle
It's a way to make sure you're never accidentally just not in a stance at all
pine storm
Ohh, well the stance swaping macro that's been in all the warrior spec pins for weeks/months won't toggle them off and only switch, which is why i was confused as to why people would have 2 seperare binds...
I just assumed that was the go to sollution by now 😄
fading girder
Thanks folks, that was helpful 🙂
jagged pier
no such thing
abstract token
oh hmm
jagged pier
if 2 spells hit u on the same server tick
u can spell reflect both
but thats like a trick
abstract token
the imps is what we used it for OG
But I mean like a talent, isnt there one of those?
jagged pier
well yes if u are the only one in combat
they all target u and cast at the same time
jagged pier
But I mean like a talent, isnt there one of those?
no
abstract token
did i imagine it D:
jagged pier
yes
warm plinth
Yeah it was a pvp talent in SL I think
Mass Spell Reflection
But I think it was just multiple targets, not multiple spells? Idk I don't PvP so not sure
abstract token
i see thanks guys
blazing condor
Same but yeah was that youd do it for all party members
But probably just one spell
jagged pier
used to be just a thing sr used to reflect everything for 6 seconds
sick sentinel
Which trinkets are best for us now?
thick spade
Hey in NO how do you manage to reflect the gale arrow on third boss to deal damages to the boss? Should I stack with the others or be next to them and take the tornadoes?
noble lynx
does anyone know how to get engi cr
wraith onyx
I thought that was only if someone was dead, as the boss targets 4 people and ignores tank unless there are deaths @thick spade
royal coral
U walk into the tornado with reflect up I thought
wraith onyx
will try that next time then, cool
thick edge
!weakaura
thick spade
Hmm ok thanks for the answers, I will try in low key as well next time
sweet summit
does anyone know how to get engi cr
need either engi helm or engi bracers and slot in the tinker in the "socket"
giga cringe
buoyant patrol
Hi all,
What would you say is a good uptime for vanguard determination throughout a key
Doing 16s and I’m around 50%
thorny stone
need either engi helm or engi bracers and slot in the tinker in the "socket"
It's the tinker counted as an embellishment?
solemn kelp
Hey hey. Kokia Blazehoof's Searing blaze. Blockable says spreadsheet but I seem to be taking a ton of damage even with SB up and IP for the bleed.
sweet summit
It's the tinker counted as an embellishment?
no
sweet summit
Hey hey. Kokia Blazehoof's Searing blaze. Blockable says spreadsheet but I seem ...
the bleed fucks yes
but the "attack" is blockable
can't block bleeds/dots
eager swift
if 2 spells hit u on the same server tick
u can also spellreflect channeling stuff on you. or deathblast's. they all just need to start casting at the same time as you said.
sweet summit
Hi all,
What would you say is a good uptime for vanguard determination throughou...
isn't really a number to aim for afaik
in logs i had ~60% in a nokhud i did a while ago if that helps :p
eager swift
the bleed fucks yes
but the "attack" is blockable
in maw of souls you could spellreflect bleeds from tentacles
sweet summit
cool
solemn kelp
So Im thinking right, SB up for attack, and just IP and heal the bleeds when poss and hope healer can cope
sweet summit
rotate CDs
there's a copypasta somewhere
sec
- SW
- time dialation
- SW
- evoker dispell
- SW
- time dialation
can dwarf racial it
if u are dwarf
can prob bop it off too
buoyant patrol
isn't really a number to aim for afaik
in logs i had ~60% in a nokhud i did a wh...
Cool thanks!
I would assume as long as you live the higher the better
If you had said 80% then I would have worked much more on it as the gap is big 🙂
sweet summit
yessir
tender quartz
Got invited into a 16 Ruby. Shadowpriest says: "Please be patient, building blaster group, we get arcane mage too i only take big io and ilvl" followed by me suggesting a rogue "nah he bad he only 398"
the run: https://i.imgur.com/izCb9FI.png
why is it always the loudest people 🤭
lyric geode
KEWK
buoyant narwhal
😂