protection

[heavy temple]

Thanks guys, this will help

[warm plinth]

you could use rally as well, though it's obviously a smaller heal

[heavy temple]

Yes

[jagged pier]

Like i pugged 18 yesterday the boss was a breeze as u have IV for every other one

[heavy temple]

I used rally but before, I did not know it eats the absorb

[jagged pier]

I wasnt even running double SW

And felt fine

[heavy temple]

Yeah, +18 was fine for me as well

altough 2 and 3 keystone levels higher made it hurt significantly more

[lucid pendant]

any tips on last boss of NOK?

having trouble w/ the adds part

[heavy temple]

What about the haunting gaze from haunting sha tho?

I dont get this cast at all

[limpid anchor]

Lust

[full violet]

Assign everyone to kick

[jagged pier]

Well u spell blocking some and not other?

[heavy temple]

CC and lust

[blazing condor]

a lot is on the group there to group and cc hard but you got storm bolt, aoe fear, shield charge, shockwave, normal interrupt

[limpid anchor]

Can even run disrupting shout if your grp struggles

[warm plinth]

I don't think you can do anything about the gaze; just have to defensive it

It's a frontal but I don't think you can really outrange it like you can dark claw

[lucid pendant]

yeah i can do two adds but my dps couldnt handle the other two, so just splat lol

[jagged pier]

Well like if i spell block because its bugged u can take 0 damage from 2 hatful gazes because it lasts long enough

[blazing condor]

also how is fall damage calculated? does armor type matter or is it always % based? (obviously if you're not a panda) asking cus some people die from fall damage on AV and other classes don't

[full violet]

Personally im a spellblock enjoyer in TJS

[crimson furnace]

guys, does the stair thing at 3rd boss still works?

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure it's just a fixed % based on how far you fall

[sullen flame]

For now

[limpid anchor]

I didn’t see anything that they fixed it

[blazing condor]

yeah it should be imo

[limpid anchor]

But it’s scuffed anyway except for ranges

[blazing condor]

still weird lol

my monk lives with 10% hp and lock died

[warm plinth]

But some classes/specs have fall damage protection too

like rogues, druids in cat form

[blazing condor]

yea

[heavy temple]

Oh god, of course

You just crit block with spell block, or is that not a thing?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, spell block's crit block for some reason didn't get capped at the normal 85%

You can literally block full attacks if it crits

[blazing condor]

mastery meta

[hazy sluice]

I need an explanation for block itself. So block doesn't completely reduce blocked attacks to 0 dmg and so does spellblock not like make me immune to magic damage for 20 second ?

I mean would be way too op of course

[jagged pier]

U can but its has no mitigation cap so its and actually got 100% making u immune instead of 85% like normal physical blocking

[tame jasper]

Last week it worked perfectly, wasnt there since

[hazy sluice]

But how can I calculate how much damage I block from each attack with shield block and each spell with spell block

[jagged pier]

Block will cause u to block everything blockable in front of u for the duration of block. Block only reduces the damage not stop it and thats based off your block value on your sheild. Physical mitigation actually has a cap of 85% mitigated and crit blocking can do that (part of our mastery) but its still rng and thing like armour extra get u higher as well against physical damage

[hazy sluice]

Allright and the block value translates to spell block ?

Or is that another mechanic

[jagged pier]

No

U need the talent

[hazy sluice]

Yeah I know

[jagged pier]

And only in those 20 seconds

[hazy sluice]

But when the buff is rolling

[jagged pier]

Can u block spells

[hazy sluice]

How does it work

[jagged pier]

As far as i know its uses your block value but in all honesty i have 0 idea

[hazy sluice]

Same damage mitigation as I would block a physical hit ?

Okay

[jagged pier]

Thats as far as i know yes

Which is alot because they buffed block

🤷

[noble lynx]

You can also critblock i think

[hazy sluice]

I was wondering for example if I spell block haunting gaze from temple Shas, how much I can expect to be blocking 😄 so if I would need another def CDs on top for 2 shas on high fort weeks if there is no cc available

[jagged pier]

No

U dont need that

Block works on each hit individually

[hazy sluice]

And also do i only block spells casted directly on to me or does it work if I run into aoe puddles or aoe in general. Like does it block damage from azure vault last boss orbs or the nokhud storm boss aoe phase

[jagged pier]

Casted spells only i believe

[ionic fern]

Oh

[jagged pier]

But i dont know

[ionic fern]

I got a fun one

[blazing condor]

blocks spells but not magic damage i guess

if there's a distinction there

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

Yer shouldnt happen

[hazy sluice]

Ah spell spreadsheet. It says the storm is blockable but the orbs in azure vault not

[jagged pier]

Like when u crit block thouderous blast on raz and take 0 damage

[heavy temple]

That's what Ididnt understand for 2 weeks now 😄

[jagged pier]

Thats not supposed to happen

[errant ivy]

Man 2nd boss ruby life pools - what the hell. How does anyone survive that?

[heavy temple]

How do you line up Dark Claws for a giga SR, stun first before is about to cast and AoE stuns 2nd before he is about to cast. Is that sufficient?

[jagged pier]

No

[heavy temple]

You need 2 ST stuns?

[jagged pier]

Defensives and parry

Its a bleed so fuck tanks

[heavy temple]

Evoker is really good

has a bleed dispell on 1m cd

[errant ivy]

Really?? Amazing because my rdruid just couldn’t cope

[blazing condor]

idk what utility evokers have tbh. BL and shove ...?

do they got soothe?

[errant ivy]

Evokers seem to have awesome throughput

[heavy temple]

Also, how I handled it was to cap rage (you cant pre IP, bcs Inferno is at the same time, reducing your IP) and I just fucking Spam IP once I get Bleed stacks with a defensive

That's how it was kinda OK in a 19 this week

[errant ivy]

Thanks Nite, will try that

[heavy temple]

But maybe wait for someone more knowledgeable, they might have better insights

That just how i solved it on the fly after dying to it twice 😦

[warm plinth]

They have an ability that increases duration of CCs. If you spend an extra talent point (which prevoker generally does), it also soothes (multiple targets). The more targets it soothes, the more its CD gets reduced.

[blazing condor]

hm

[warm plinth]

I think it's 2 min CD base though so if they're soothing one mob it's kinda meh

[blazing condor]

seems fine this week

[warm plinth]

But if they use it on a trash pack it's like, insta

[pulsar marsh]

how many ilvl is the 4-pieces-t-set bonus worth? like is it worth to lose 20 ilvl in total in order to get the bonus?

[jagged pier]

Its 5% leech so its up to u

🤷

[warm plinth]

20 ilevel in total like, overall ilevel?

[oblique garnet]

Aoe soothe very strong :))

[warm plinth]

Or like on one piece

[brittle owl]

that's possibly the most scalie ability ever

[blazing condor]

i mean they do have scales

[oblique garnet]

Man they are so broken its not even funny

Like time dilation existing making it single handidly strongest external very cool

[blazing condor]

easy

[solemn thunder]

dwarf racial - GG

[full violet]

How Long is the dwarf racial CD?

[oblique garnet]

2min

[solemn thunder]

2mins, so you can use it once on the fight, but that makes a huge difference. For the rest, just use cds

on tyra week now, maybe twice 😉

[full violet]

I didnt try 20 Ruby yet, guess we gonna find out

Atleast Not in tyr week, got it timed on fort

Guess i gonna find a bad suprise there

[blazing condor]

tyr week feels pretty fine so far

but i have pushed any

its nice to just roll over trash mobs at least

[solemn thunder]

the last bunch of nerfs brought RLP more in line, feels a lot easier now, not SBG easy but doable

[deft hazel]

what do i do on jade lady

[ionic fern]

What you do on every tank buster.

Rotate defensives.

Use HS/Healthpot/LS/IV to help with the absorb.

[unreal sage]

What is LS and IV?

[ionic fern]

Last Stand.
Impending Victory.

[edgy spear]

Last Stand and Impending Victory

[unreal sage]

Ah fine

Thanks

[blazing condor]

i gotta go call Niuzao he'll have to tank that

[deft hazel]

Is there by chance a wa for her abosrb, similar to ignore pain?

[ionic fern]

Why?

It's mainly a healer mechanic.

[deft hazel]

because they might blame me

[ionic fern]

Search on wago if you insist on having one.

Then you tell them to bug off. 🙂

[unreal sage]

Is like you can pres Def skills, healer have to do rest 🙂

[deft hazel]

[ionic fern]

Your job is to rotate defensives and pop 1 of the healing abilities to help.

[edgy spear]

I'm not entirely sure, but I think the spell DR component of spell reflect also helps on the dmg taken. Stance dance to dstance in ancitipation as well

[ionic fern]

Not every mechanic is supposed to be survivable by the tank alone.

[deft hazel]

dumb question do you use def skill before or after she does ability xd

[blazing condor]

depends on the defensive

shield wall / spell block / spell reflect you can use before but last stand you dont wanna have rolling when it hits you

[sweet summit]

damage reductions before

heals during absorb

[edgy spear]

It's an initial fire dmg hit + 8 second fire dot + heal absorb on you.

So yeah, DR spell just before it hits, heal/last stand just after to clear absorb. Last stand heals you for the amount it increases your HP by

[deft hazel]

can i fireblood the dot off ? xd

[edgy spear]

I dont think the debuff falls in to one of the categories cleared by fireblood/dwarf racial

[quick fossil]

Does shield wall interact with Spirit link totem to lower the amount of dam everyone takes or does it just negate it ?

[pulsar marsh]

overall i lose like 20 ilvl if i change to 4-set instead of max gear

[limpid anchor]

How?

[marble cipher]

Is your tier ilvl 50??

[sweet summit]

less damage you take = less damage needed to be redistributed

[pulsar marsh]

tier is 395 and i have both items in 405

from m+

[marble cipher]

that's not overall ilvl

...

[limpid anchor]

So on the 2 pieces you lose 10 each

[pulsar marsh]

oh lol

[limpid anchor]

Big diff

[pulsar marsh]

sry

yeah

[noble lynx]

Last stand works on the healing absorb?

[sweet summit]

it heals you, so yes

[marble cipher]

yup

[edgy spear]

Wouldnt the net effect be bigger than 5% leech? Leech only benefits if you are missing hp whereas the bonus banks dmg as absorb anytime you dont have your IP maxed out. In addition, isn't there a synergy between the 4 set and BrV in that BrV only works when theres an active IP, and the 4 set can grant an IP without having to press IP itself.

[noble lynx]

Oh it also has in tooltip i see

I just remember it bypassing necrotic

Same with meta

[jagged pier]

I mean if anything tbh its less than 5% because u need to have pressed revenge and sometimes u just cant 🤷 that being said i think its pretty good even without thinking about revenge u get a lot of extra IP

[manic fern]

Howdy, been a hot minute since I visited. Took a look at the FAQ and pinned messages but didn't see anything that answered this question; does anyone have or know of a wa or addon that can announce in chat when I cast SW or other important defensive abilities as well as a short countdown towards the end of its lifetime so my healer can be aware of it?

Tried looking for some on my own on wagio but I wasn't able to find much with the terms I searched myself

[limpid anchor]

Idk but if the healer doesn’t see your buffs but reads the chat

Gotta find better healers

[junior raptor]

well there are chat bubbles

[manic fern]

Still leveling my warrior currently and the healers in these low levels leave something to be desired

I also wanted it for things like challenging shout so my dps know when they can start their aoe burst without fear of pulling aggro lol

ik theres less fear of that with warriors especially but its still something I want to consider

[karmic plinth]

you can make a weakaura do that

[manic fern]

Im not familiar with making my own weakauras, was hoping thered be a preexisting one I could nab

[rough gate]

I think theres a setting in Details that will announce cooldowns

[manic fern]

Really? I'll have a look

[rough gate]

I think so, but i might have smoked some crack or something

[marble cipher]

Just think twice before cluttering chat with all that stuff though. Not everything is your job.
Healers should be keeping track of defensive cd's. And DPS should be holding burst on pulls when they don't see you pop avatar or something.

But, yeah, should

[rough gate]

Its under raid tools and announce cooldowns, i think it works outside of raid but im not 100%

[ionic fern]

/say I CASTED SHIELD WALL
/Cast Shield Wall

Repeat for everything you want.

That being said..i doubt anyone actually pays attention to chat in dungeons.

[marble cipher]

Also, if you want your dps to kick, make sure you announce that you just activated spell reflect, that usually makes sure that everyone and their mother instantly kicks something...........

🤣

[blazing condor]

i do : (

idk if i was a healer i would obviously track CDs on my tank so it's not really on you solely

i track offensive and defensive CDs + utility on everyone in my group

[lyric geode]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2rqVL8BzHMRaAyKb#fight=2&type=summary&source=70

Can you please review my logs on ras?

[marble cipher]

A tank is expected to track DPS CD's, so I just expect them all to track mine

[blazing condor]

so i know if i can pull big or if they got shroud/ring whatever

[lyric geode]

Wasted only 61 rage in 10 minute fight

kewk

[manic fern]

As I said I'm still leveling my warrior atm, and I would mostly be using these for those low level dungeons or pug groups that I absolutely do not trust. A macro works generally but in these low level dungeons especially a countdown from 3 towards the end of important defensive cd's would help, and I'm not sure thats macroable

[marble cipher]

warning: in leveling dungeons, nobody pays attention to anything

but, as @ionic fern said, you can make macros to announce stuff.
If you wanna get more fancy and have countdowns to when it's almost over, then you'd have to dabble into weakauras

[manic fern]

I know, but I still try to teach them.. I was put into a shrine of storms group earlier that wiped on the third boss 4 times before I gave up and abandoned ship. I try so hard

I guess my best bet is just macros since I have 0 wa building knowledge and cant seem to find any. ty for the suggestions and input

[ionic fern]

Your best bet is thinking of WoW like this:
-It's a single player game
-Every other party member is a NPC
-The NPC's are very bad at their job so i have to solo do everything.

That's how you succeed in WoW.

[lyric geode]

What if you are the NPC?

[ionic fern]

I'm the NPC in someone elses stoiry.

[restive canopy]

/castrandom with a 3 second delay

[noble sphinx]

Hi guys is there any good ways to macro my Shield charge and charge ?

[lyric geode]

No,

Because you use shield charge not only because it gives shield block uptime

[manic fern]

What if I want to teach the npcs to read what if I just want to be seen

[lyric geode]

but rather it gives you also a very nice cc

IT is definitely better to press it as other button

[noble sphinx]

I see, so i need to thing of my Shield charge az cc not a charge with some extra 😄

[broken pendant]

best warrior helm embellashment?

[lyric geode]

You have to think Shield charge. Sometimes as CC, sometimes as a button to keep your shield block up. So you cant macro it

[noble sphinx]

alright, thank you

[rough gate]

i only use shield charge for some fat damage

[lyric geode]

For example, a good cc for mystics in HoV.

Sometimes, to keep up your uptime in a long fight

[lyric geode]

Also, sometimes as a dmg booster

Shield charge is so versatile you cant script its use

[solemn thunder]

I took the one that keeps food buff after death. Just a super QoL thing for M+

[manic fern]

so expensive though 😔

[jagged pier]

U can its used on cd otherwise u loose value of it

[manic fern]

ps5 gougers got nothing on flavor pocket gougers

[crimson kite]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193700/strike-twice how good is this?

[blazing condor]

its good

[opaque oak]

Shield charge is not cc or blocktime

Its big daaaam

[fickle sparrow]

is it worth to sacrifice ilvl for tier set on prot?

[opaque oak]

Yes

[blazing condor]

i mean its all of that

[deep spruce]

Should i be aiming for always keeping my IP bar full?

[rough gate]

just happy little accidents

[blazing condor]

no but with proper play it usually always is full

[deep spruce]

I feel like i'm definitely overusing

[opaque oak]

Side effects of big dam

[deep spruce]

there is no difference between it being at 50% and 100% effects right? if a hit is less than half my hp?

[high drum]

u cant really over use ip

[solemn thunder]

depends on what you are facing. If you face a lot of melee mobs without dots, SB uptime is more important. If you face a lot of casters, IP is more important. But if played properly with BrV it's no prob keeping it full all the time

[high drum]

what? it's capped at 30% of ur hp

[deep spruce]

I probably didnt explain what i meant there

[high drum]

so the highest hit you can 50% mitigate is 60% of ur max

with ip

[deep spruce]

right ok

thanks

[high drum]

ur gonna overcap a lot if you are in a rage heavy scenario

because its worth pushing even while full ip

for the SS reset

[deep spruce]

Played pretty much one class/spec for 14 years, so this is still alien to me at times xD

[ionic fern]

Explain.

[fiery pike]

Hi Friends,
I got a question about the Stances. I saw the best m+ players in battle stance and only switching to def stance in 22+ keys. How you handle it? Do you switch in a specific key level or for specific mobs?

[ionic fern]

Experience.
Below 20 nothing really warrants defensive stance.

[craggy pilot]

switch for stuff you think is spicy

otherwise be in Bstance

[ionic fern]

Really simple tho.
-Is it spooky? Swap
-Not spooky? Don't swap.

[fiery pike]

Mmh Kay, i didn’t noticed the dmg reduce part 😄

[craggy pilot]

if you think "i died to this boss/mobs last time/tankbuster last time" you should maybe go into Def stance

[ionic fern]

Wait..what did you think dstance is then?

[fiery pike]

I am mostly confident and aim for more dmg 😛

[ionic fern]

[fiery pike]

I thought (maybe back in the day) its just income dmg mitigation

And battle stance is for more crit and output

[ionic fern]

But..you just said "I diddn't notice the dmg reduce part".

[craggy pilot]

😄

[ionic fern]

[craggy pilot]

dmg mitigation =/= dmg reduction aparently

[fiery pike]

I mean the part „you get less dmg income but also do less dmg yourself“

😄 sorry for the confusion

Anyway thanks for you’re help, i will try it out

[craggy pilot]

just be in BStance perma

[fiery pike]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-down-curtsy-wendy-gif-13117155

[craggy pilot]

and make a note when shit hits you hard, and you almost die/die

and then think "how could i handle xyz" and its usually with SR / SW / DStance

[tall jungle]

What stats %wise do you guys stack/go for? Is haste/versa worth it over haste/mastery?

[edgy spear]

Ilvl >>>> haste > crit/vers > mastery

[tall jungle]

So, just pick whatever gear I have that's higher?

[blazing condor]

main stat is better than secondary stats

can be some difference when it comes to jewlery cus no main stat

but general rule of thumb is just that if it's higher ilvl its better no matter what secondaries

[tall jungle]

Alright, thanks

[wind vigil]

Crit on prot warrior?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[solemn thunder]

Sure, gives a lot of parry, and parry is awesome. Parry can mitigate debuff stacks of certain abilities.

[sick sentinel]

parry works directyl with alltotem trinket

[rough gate]

crit also gives big dam ive heard

[deft hinge]

beware, passive crit bonuses such as battlestance does not heighten ur parry

[solemn thunder]

yeah only crit rating increases parry. every other crit buff does not give parry (like buff in AA e.g.)

[karmic plinth]

Heyo
I'm struggling a bit with the 3rd boss in temple of the jade serpant. Does anyone have a good way of dealing with the tank buster, healingabsorb, dot ability ?? (Making it more manageable)

[craggy pilot]

the circles on last boss COS, am i supposed to soak them and call for Magic dispel?

[karmic plinth]

There is nothing to soak on that boss

[deft hazel]

man... this sedana kinda hurt .. or im just really bad and should quit

[craggy pilot]

there is circles moving all over the platform

fills up a bit on Tyr

they disappear when i walk into it

but didnt seem to do a lot of dmg

and the stun is a magic debuff 🤔

[sweet summit]

1. SW + IV + demo
2. external + pot + sr
3. spell block + LS
4. still spell block + IV +sr
5. wall + pray
6. hope for the best + demo + sr + healthstone if you have a lock
7. (phase before this or u are not having a good time)

have IP+DefStance for all
healer should track the CD and know when it's coming, it's not all on you

[karmic plinth]

U can do it if u need more space. It dies stun you for 4 seconds i think. So becareful before doing it

[craggy pilot]

ye but its magic dispel

[karmic plinth]

what is IV ?

[sweet summit]

impending victory

[karmic plinth]

Ah I see

I feel like adding pray to all of the above is fitting xD

thanks mate 😉

[deft hazel]

[sweet summit]

there, edited a bit

[deft hazel]

so how does deathspike on senda work because i got yeeted by 2x deathspike for 300k lol

[sweet summit]

who is senda

[deft hazel]

sedana

[sweet summit]

what dungeon what boss number

or is it a regular mob

[deft hazel]

1st boss in shadowmoon kekw

[sweet summit]

ah

yeah that's just an auto attack buff that deals extra shadow damage, you can reflect it

she gains 3 stacks of it every now and then

[karmic plinth]

Pretty sure that is just spell reflect and ignore pain

[sweet summit]

track those stacks

[void summit]

She buffs herself to do shadow damage for 3 attacks

[sweet summit]

and plan accordingly

[deft hazel]

ahh

yeah she hit me twice for 300k total

[karmic plinth]

what is sr in this one ??

[sweet summit]

spell reflect

[karmic plinth]

fuck me im slow xD

ty

[sweet summit]

for the damage reduction

[deft hazel]

i wasnt paying attention first time running into the problem

[shy sinew]

Yo ! On Jade 3rd boss, in 2nd phase the Jade Serpent strike keep busting my ass, what should I do ?

Apart of get healed really hard

[neon elk]

Roatet CDs better and pray realy hard

[deft hazel]

biggest thing i hate is praying really hard

[shy sinew]

what kind of rotation ?

[sweet summit]

_ _

this

[deft hazel]

and pray after each one

[neon elk]

^pretty much this , u could also maybe spec to double SW if u need it

[deft hazel]

[sweet summit]

double SW is not a bad call in there

[neon elk]

Depends how much u can rely on your healer and dps to some degree

[deft hazel]

Im not that experienced but i still feel undergeared for some things lmao

[hazy sluice]

Is getting sac by a ret pally an external use case or does it rip them ?

[sweet summit]

that is an external

[neon elk]

Shouldnt rip them as there is % treshold where it stops

[sweet summit]

they might want to bubble with it tho

[hazy sluice]

Ah k

[neon elk]

Also if u decide to BL that boss use it at 70% , her phases are % based and first phase is rather ez for war .

[sweet summit]

you can also stop dps at 72% and wait for the hit to go off before pushing but that might not be effective in a pug 👴

[placid abyss]

Should I spec out of the dmg/rage cost increase of revenge with 2p? So I can maximize uptime of the buff?

[sweet summit]

barbaric training?

that talent stinks

don't use it

[neon elk]

Yea its a bit baity talent i would say

[jagged pier]

Erga brown again

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[worthy bloom]

Hey, I need some help on how to set up debuff tracking (for spotting) in raid, I am using ElvUI, BigWigs and the dfraid1 causese WAs. The latter does a great job displaying the stacks of the various tank debuffs on myself, but how do I go about tracking the ones from my tank mate? Is there an easy solution?

I mean Unitframes>GroupUnits>Tank>Debuffs will show me some debuffs, but not really the important ones for spotting only but all debuffs

[limpid anchor]

(Also called taunting)

There’s the co tank weakaura

That displays alls the tank debuffs from the raid

[umbral cave]

https://wago.io/dfcotank1

[limpid anchor]

But tbh

[worthy bloom]

Oh nice, thanks!

Didn't even see that one

[limpid anchor]

I only use the default raid frame to check the stacks

And most tank busters are just „taunt when it expires“

[sick sentinel]

am i just imagining things or does azure vaults as a key just SUCK on tyranical? the balls/adds boss is pretty easy first boss is easy too,

more the problem of if you wipe on or before 3rd boss, you get sent back very start from what i can tell, you have to KILL the 3rd boss just to get a graveyard, and then immediately after is another hard boss

aka, the shrine of the storm problem

[spice axle]

Why Searing Wounds the second boss of ruby sometimes puts 2 stacks of the bleed and sometimes 4. am i just parrying or any other tech is happening

[sick sentinel]

now that i think of it, there might be a npc you can talk to to teleport ahead, but it may not be super apparent first time or if your drunk or somethin

[craggy pilot]

haha wtf why are people toxic in a +16 🤣

[sick sentinel]

i don't get toxic any more

i just say "one more try?" (after the second wipe only pretty much) and then if we wipe i instantly leave and alt f4 out

[craggy pilot]

had mage in my grp

get mad about some random shit after he wiped grp cus he didnt clear Thunder

then one guy ninja pull a pack in boss the 2nd time, and he insta leaves during boss 🤣

its not like we died in the boss 2nd time

like it was perfectly doable

+16 is fucking free, and he just insta left hahahaha

fucking moron

[sick sentinel]

im not going through hell and highwater just to complete a fuckin 7 azure vaults or whatever the key was, over time before we pull last boss, over 1000 gold in repairs personally

i think i was justified to leave

[craggy pilot]

this was the very first wipe

[sick sentinel]

what REALLY fucks with me is the patroling monsters route

on the RLP fire dragon 2/d half of ring its very difficult to predict when and where it will land, and he has potential to EASILY solo the group

the cone he does is like 40 yards i swear

[craggy pilot]

i figured if i just do these white arrows, then im good

go to the stairs x2

[sick sentinel]

some of those packs can be tricky on pull with the cinder bolt guys but they are on the other side from what your coming in from

have to go to the back of pack first pummel to get it on pull

[craggy pilot]

have dpsers kick

[limpid anchor]

There’s an npc with a big Portal right at the start - difficult to miss

[sick sentinel]

well, i seemed to have missed it every other time i went to that dungeon until yesterdaty

i just don't understand how you kill a boss in mythic + and you don't get a graveyard at that boss that you just killed, unless hes like exist on a platform and it literal gets obliterated

[blazing condor]

wait why erga brown

[wraith niche]

Is there a large difference in survivability between a 405 shield and a 389 shield? (405 Crystalized bulwark, 232 haste, 125 vers, or 389 Flame Marshals Bulwark, 100 crit, 227 vers) idk how to sim survivability

[blazing condor]

yeah pretty big

[obsidian path]

Bigger shield should be better

[blazing condor]

since you only get block value from your shield

[obsidian path]

Armor too ?

[wraith niche]

Its between better shield or third tier piece 🙃

[solemn thunder]

then shield if you cannot get 4pc reliably this id

[plush moat]

Is it just me or is Hirya in halls of valor overtuned when she does the beam it hurts so baddd

[solemn thunder]

block value is just insanely good

[obsidian path]

Beam hurts but you know it's going to happen

[wraith niche]

We raiding tonight so im thinking if i get tier piece i can grab shoulders from vault and get 4pc bonus, if i dont get tier tonight i grab shield. Does that sound reasonable? (New to tanking this xpac)

[plush moat]

It almost 1 shotted me

In defence stance xD

[obsidian path]

Did you pop a cooldown ?

[plush moat]

Well all i could do was ignore pain atm

Because it take forever for her to die

[marble cipher]

def stance + spell reflect should be up for every single beam

[faint river]

How much value is 2/4 set ? is it worth dropping some ilvls ? or is it just to sim it

[marble cipher]

then others too if you have/hold them for it

[plush moat]

I think the healer didnt top me off when the beam also came maybe

[drifting glade]

i just ran a tjs 18 and took spell block to see how it fared

it felt very good

are there any other dungeons where it gets similar value

[late rampart]

RLP has felt like a must have spell block for me so far.

[drifting glade]

oh, for second boss?

[late rampart]

First boss

[lone eagle]

Yeah, its also very very good in AV

[late rampart]

And really the whole instance it gets value imo.

[lone eagle]

Spell Block is basically a must take in AV and RLP, pretty strong in TJS as well

[drifting glade]

the book boss in tjs almost certainly would have killed me without it

tho i suspect dps were griefing with the stacks on both

[sick sentinel]

i did a 5 for guild alt last night, and i kid not, his fire felt like it traveled this far

it was nuking us from orbit

[gleaming relic]

the spread on that fire is kinda unclear

[sick sentinel]

it was more so the distance it was travelling that shocked us

[gleaming relic]

i see a lot of ranged ppl dying from it even in higher keys

[sick sentinel]

tell them "stand behind dragons because then they will have to turn at you to target if they do the breath on you"

is the best way to phrase that

[short sundial]

does spell block work on the tree boss small adds poison debuff?

[sterile bough]

higly doubt

[sick sentinel]

lasher toxin?

about to find out i suppose

[ionic fern]

No.

[short sundial]

oh yeah im warbrainned sorry i forgot there was a spreadsheet for this

[spare turret]

any tips for second boss of RLP, just tried to do +17 and got destroyed by searing blows

[sick sentinel]

group cannot dump the fire dude in the middle of more fire or GG

bait the balls so it doesn't cover everything if possible

move when too much fire around, you can use the entire ring ive been told, possible to kill boss spot it stands if dps is fast

[stone sierra]

hi guys! does anyone know how to check which prot warrior instance is active on warcraftlogs?

[uneven mason]

Wat

[craggy pilot]

is COS just a bad dung for overall dmg? or am i bad 🤔 this is a +16 and im at 402 ilvl

[uneven mason]

Your dps are pumpers

[sterile bough]

ye its bad for overall

[dire matrix]

ur fighting 1 mob a lot

[sterile bough]

yd on 22 did around 35k as well

[dire matrix]

unless ur pulling packs onto the minibosses

or on the enforcers

[uneven mason]

Cos is rough for bigger pulls because of casts

[dire matrix]

and even then its not big

[sterile bough]

in cos u have to play pcak by pack which is insanely annoying

[uneven mason]

Like there isn't any spot where it makes sense Todo baller pulls in there

[sterile bough]

and boring

[digital frigate]

Hello

[dire matrix]

last weeki was pulling a pack with the first miniboss

and lusting

[digital frigate]

Has the nerf to AA made it more manageable at 18+?

[dire matrix]

inquis + slashy lady and a dog?

[sterile bough]

its still dps check on brid boss

[uneven mason]

Obviously

[sterile bough]

but u dont need lust on tree boss at all

[dire matrix]

still rather lust it

[sterile bough]

also with the change the time is better csaue u dont backtract

[digital frigate]

Thank you for the input.

I haven't gotten a chance to play and try it so I was wanting a few opinions

Thanks all.

[dire matrix]

getting lust on vex and bird would be pretty rough

and holding lust for bird is 🤨

[uneven mason]

I'd rather do the 3 packs in the first ring with lust

[dire matrix]

unless people are lusting trash

ring?

[marble cipher]

I prefer lust on bird now, so we either hold it on tree and use on bird, or we use it on tree and do trash till it's back up for bird
But, so far haven't found an ideal way of doing it while not backtracking or spending more time on trash

[dire matrix]

wrong dungeon

[uneven mason]

NM was thinking vault

[sterile bough]

@digital frigate

with that u dont backtrack

so like +1 min

[digital frigate]

Thanks ❤️

[dire matrix]

lusting vex tree and last?

[sterile bough]

no

[dire matrix]

im guessing

[sterile bough]

vex bird last

[digital frigate]

Vex Bird Last

OK

[dire matrix]

how is lust up

[digital frigate]

I will try it that way

Thank you so much for your input.

[uneven mason]

So aa does have the benefit of allowing you to kill trash while waiting for lust

[dire matrix]

are you killing tree trash then going back to bird?

otherwise 4 packs and a miniboss

[eager phoenix]

No way you have lust again for bird after vexa?

[lofty widget]

hunger of the pack or all totem for m+?

[plush tendon]

since yall talking bout AA.... we attempted a 20 last night; everything was going well but something happened on Crawth and we werent able to reset the screech debuff.... does anyone know how that works exactly and optimal reset points?

[dire matrix]

i like 3 stacks

and throwing the wind one as late as possible

so that its just b4 the 4th screech

[plush tendon]

we planned for 4; so we got 4->fire reset->got to 4 again.... no reset

[dire matrix]

to minimise time spent in windy land

[plush tendon]

cause it wasnt working; we put balls in goal but the bar wouldnt move

[dire matrix]

idk

[plush tendon]

so I dont know if theres something we are missin

[dire matrix]

how spooky is 4

ive done 3 cuz hp bars didnt look good

[plush tendon]

it can be a little spooky

but our healer is comfortable

and we coordinate

[dire matrix]

good2know 4 is ok

[plush tendon]

yea... we just dont know if it bugged on us

preventing us from getting second reset

[hardy snow]

Bird fight is broken if you wipe

if you first attempt and kill it its fine, but if you wipe and start fight again - you are unable to make wind balls

[marble cipher]

in what way?

[fallen lichen]

How dumb is binding shield block to shield slam in m+? Felt like my uptime was pretty good.

[marble cipher]

oh

[hardy snow]

this bug started this week i believe

[plush tendon]

thanks for info

[pearl bay]

@plush tendon Also had this issue unable to dunk for reset

[fallen lichen]

Had the same, worked when we did wind first though

[pearl bay]

earlier today

[marble cipher]

by "making wind balls", you mean, scoring those goals?

[dire matrix]

Don't bind block to slam

[plush tendon]

we were too greedy on the first pull... so when we reset, he someone still got a stack

[dire matrix]

Your gonna fuck yourself

[hardy snow]

yes :p

[uneven mason]

Who even?

[dire matrix]

Someone just asked if it's ok

[plush tendon]

yea, slam is like.... not a ability you should even have on your bars

[dire matrix]

As sield slam

Shield slam

Wasn't even thinking about slam

[plush tendon]

oh, wrong slam

slam slam slam

[limpid anchor]

But bind slam to block :)

[plush tendon]

what about heroic strike?

[limpid anchor]

I wish we had that

[pseudo garden]

Is there like a list of all the mobs that do a cleave?

[quiet monolith]

do you need to swap ember heroic council

or can ignore?

[craggy pilot]

maybe ill get ring or trinket soon

[vocal nimbus]

can ignore usually

[hardy snow]

you can ignore, his dot doesnt stack

[quiet monolith]

ok ty

[craggy pilot]

how do people do the 2nd boss Temple?

am i trolling for going 10-10 strat?

feel like theres always someone saying "why that sounds dumb"

[edgy grail]

10-10 is slower but safer for the group

[craggy pilot]

better for the healer i guess ye?

[edgy grail]

Imo it’s ideal to do 7-7 then 10-10

You go as fast as possible then chill by going to 10 when the healer is out of CDs

[heady gyro]

Every Dps and you need to switch at 6 or 7. Every stack buffs the bosses damage by 10% so if anyone is cleaving or hitting the wrong target while the others switch they just fuck .

[edgy grail]

But it totally depends on the group

[heady gyro]

Yeah

[edgy grail]

Well once they hit 10 stacks they go AFK

[craggy pilot]

ye we have boomie, who is having a hard time not giving stacks to the other

[edgy spear]

10-10 is quite safe in pugs for that reason. The dmg buff disappears when they hit 10

[craggy pilot]

so on 10-10 he can just wait till one is immune, and pop CDs

[edgy grail]

Idk our boomkin has 0 issue

So not sure

[craggy pilot]

and u do 7-7 on +20?

[plush tendon]

is time a issue in Temple?

I feel like id rather do the immune strat

[edgy grail]

We did 7-7 then 10

On our 19

[heady gyro]

I did and 18 a tuesday and switched at 6

[edgy grail]

Havent got 20 temple yet

[craggy pilot]

tuesday was add week

[craggy pilot]

ok hmm, 7-7-10-10 sounds nice tho

[plush tendon]

same... our next one is either a 22 HoV (thanks SBG), 20 NO, or 20 RLP

[heady gyro]

I’m NA

[craggy pilot]

do you just keep going 10 until kill?

[edgy grail]

Its a good mix of both

We go back to 7 if healer has CDs

[craggy pilot]

but how is 7 more dmg?

can you even cleave at all on the boss?

[vocal nimbus]

how do you rotate def cds on temple third boss for a 21 x)

[edgy grail]

7 is more bevause they BOTH do damage

Ohh 7 is more because you dont have to wait at the end to kill

[craggy pilot]

ye but i mean you said faster

[plush tendon]

we've been thinking about this, cause even a 20 Fort last week trucked

[craggy pilot]

oh ok, so just that part

which is only a few seconds

[plush tendon]

Jade seems to be the hardest hitting by a longshot

[slim dove]

all up to the healer

[edgy grail]

Like 10 sec yea

[quartz pond]

jade is healer job

[slim dove]

we did 18 last year going 7-7 whole way and healer was fine

[plush tendon]

it kind of is

[slim dove]

did a 16 in a pug and healer had to do 10-10

[plush tendon]

the healing absord+dot is the issue

[craggy pilot]

yea

[edgy grail]

18 tyr or fort

[craggy pilot]

we have RSham in our grp

[plush tendon]

if healer doesnt pump you up to get out of that.... its rough

[craggy pilot]

so might have to 10-10

[edgy grail]

Ohh your healer yea

Most good healers can manage

[plush tendon]

and by rough.... i mean you eating dirt

[quartz pond]

all u can rly do is pop a defensive on each and maybe save victory rush for when healer is struggling.

[plush tendon]

another thing is DPS can hold CDs till Jade

cause fire phase is like whatever

[quartz pond]

gl with that

[edgy grail]

Yea or lust p2

[craggy pilot]

fire phase we can reflect the buster

[plush tendon]

FIre phase just does flat out less dam

[quartz pond]

and if u dont just dispel it.

[edgy spear]

also dispellable.

[craggy pilot]

i cant dispel, im a worrior

[quartz pond]

fire phase and dragon phase is joke

[edgy spear]

no, but healer can

[pseudo garden]

Dwarf life

[plush tendon]

I only pug court

always with the homies for dungeons

[quartz pond]

you are priveleged then 😄

[edgy spear]

Liu p1 and p3 is snooze. P2 is the only "hard" part and if your healer is ready for the buster and you rotate defensives its manageable.

[plush tendon]

it is the only way to play

[quartz pond]

true

[plush tendon]

IO aint worth it unless you get it with the bois

[dire matrix]

I think bind shield block to revenge is the only answer

/s

[tender cove]

Are the enforcers locations random?

[quartz pond]

COS enforcer? ye

[tender cove]

ye cos

[nimble laurel]

Their spawn order is

[limpid anchor]

Fixed spawn location but order is random

[tender cove]

yeh, thats what I meant, spawn order cuz its been confusing seeing them spawn different spot each time.

and you cant influence right?

[quartz pond]

its how they do

[tender cove]

do you adjust your trash pulls accordingly or just do the same and run bit more?

[marble cipher]

all rng, cause CoS also depends on the "items" you have at your disposal

[edgy grail]

My cos are usually 150% count anyway

Bc randos pull extra

[marble cipher]

if you get all the "pull mini boss" items, you'll have to do more trash

[tender cove]

I had my first run that was 2% short after 2ndboss, was shocked xD

[limpid anchor]

No I always pull the same trash

[quartz pond]

I do the standard route with the harbor and skipping the bot guy after 1st boss

[tender cove]

how do you skip him btw? doesnt he have truesight?

[quartz pond]

then u gotta adjust depending on the enforcers / items u get

[limpid anchor]

• 1 pack depending on prof spawns

[plush tendon]

you just need 94% going up

[quartz pond]

group runs to start and I deathskip him

[plush tendon]

trash gives so much %.... you just adjust accordingly

[marble cipher]

style points if you can have a dps death skip him, so you can take that time and go do docks 😉

[plush tendon]

its truly a let it ride type of dungeon in terms of count

[quartz pond]

big

U can get super lucky and have 3 items for summons

[neon elk]

Or have rogue that doesnt even need to death skip

[uncut ibex]

Do we actually sync demo with our big cds?

[quartz pond]

and have to kill an enforcer anyway xD

[marble cipher]

pft, rogues are cheating! 😄

[plush tendon]

if you have thunderlords, just send it off CD

if you dont (lets say battering ram) it should always line up with Shield Charge

I know I play around with no thunderlords build

in some dungeons

so it always lines up with every Shield Charge and every other Rav and DRoar

[plush tendon]

we got super lucky in ours and got 10% dam, 10% health, 10% haste, and the healing/mana per sec

plus two free enforcers

was pretty sweet

[quartz pond]

pretty cool

[inland raft]

with the spell reflect WA is there a way to only show the spell reflect icon when a reflectable spell is coming instead of it always being on screen?

[edgy grail]

Check custom options

[tender cove]

wait what, there's a WA telling you what spells to reflect? Gief plz

[solid granite]

is any1 here playing with Blazebinders Hoof? Did the positive change affect us?

[tender cove]

what change?

[quartz pond]

making it stack faster'

?

[worldly fable]

[solid granite]

that change

[tired pivot]

does 2-set affect rlp 2nd boss dot

[strong forum]

?

Ofc

It's a 4% dmg reduction

The boss deals dmg

Therefor, tierset reduces the dmg the 2nd boss deals by 4%

[urban portal]

Does 2 set affect emotional damage

[strong forum]

If you believe hard enough

[minor helm]

It means you have 2 more tier pieces over the fury warrior so yes 👍

[final mist]

It makes your emotional damage taken reduced since you have tierset bonus

[pulsar marsh]

is it worth losing 10 ilvl each on chest/helmet in order to get 4-set?

[brittle owl]

2 set combo no lettuce extra fries

[strong forum]

In m+ yes, in raid not

[uneven mason]

Valor?

[ocean bloom]

i assume he got lfr tier

[mossy heron]

Hey guys! I was checking the Spell Reflect sheet, I assume there hasn't been an updated one?

[safe anvil]

@mossy heron under pinned news is a new link from Sense for Spellreflects

[tender cove]

Is the season max 3750 valor?

thought it increased by 1500 each week?

[mossy heron]

Thanks ❤️

[toxic pewter]

I think goes up 750 each week for now

[dire matrix]

750

[tender cove]

ahh 😄

[strong forum]

I wish it was 1500 every week, then you could almost use your valor to upgrade your gear!

Instead of hoard it until you have 405 in every slot

[teal crown]

Gotta keep that drip going.

[uncut notch]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-text-share-the-flip-side-sharetheflipsidegifs-stress-exams-gif-9543278

[safe anvil]

I had a hard time tanking Searing Blows and the dot of Kokia in Ruby on a 19 tyrannical last night. What is the best way to deal with that mechanic if you are not a dwarf^^

[strong forum]

Pray

Also can't dwarf it anyway

I think

Pwar is the worst tank vs that boss
You can rotate CDs with your healer but that's about all there is to it

[teal crown]

I'd say just focus rage into IP spam.

[safe anvil]

It is a bleed and Sense wrte in his sheet that you can "dwarf it off"^^

[teal crown]

Maybe hold your heal too as a backup in case the healer has issues. What class was healing?

[safe anvil]

holy priest

[teal crown]

Evoker can negate one every minute

Were you in def stance 😄

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a route they wanna share for Academy after the Tree changes?

[safe anvil]

wait a minute thee is a def stance? ^^

*there

[teal crown]

ha!

[tawny kiln]

https://giphy.com/gifs/schittscreek-comedy-pop-tv-26hkhKd2Cp5WMWU1O

[upbeat salmon]

Could probably pull stuff onto boss, that's how much they changed him

[craggy pilot]

?

what stuff you wanna pull onto boss lol

the boss doesnt spawn until you kill all the stuff 😄

[teal crown]

I just wanna say how BS it is that intervene isn't baseline anymore.

[upbeat salmon]

Get from other rooms

Idk

[craggy pilot]

🤔 you can just pick it?

[upbeat salmon]

Guessing you can't get trahs from last boss until tree is dead?

[craggy pilot]

not sure

[teal crown]

For the first pull there, I like to have the group run straight to tree boss and get all the starting adds with a few trees at the bottom.

[upbeat salmon]

Get the triple caster pack and melt boss with arcane bombs

[craggy pilot]

im thinking like this 🤔
and lust Vex + Bird

how "free" is the % before the last boss?

[upbeat salmon]

Pretty free if you kick missiles

[craggy pilot]

what about the Restorers?

[upbeat salmon]

Tbh I don't play high enough to notice them doing anything

[trim hill]

pretty sure thats not 100%

[craggy pilot]

its not

[teal crown]

I prefer to go tree first in AA, does anyone else do that? Maybe it's because it was a huge key breaker.

[tawny kiln]

I've always done tree first

[deep spruce]

I do, but its not such a big deal now, its free af now

[craggy pilot]

it was hugely changed, is why im asking

[upbeat salmon]

It's free

[tawny kiln]

no reason to waste time doing other bosses if you can't kill the tree

pre nerf

[teal crown]

Yeah, single pull the room, do tree, then bird

That's a wonderful pull

[upbeat salmon]

Depends entirely on when you want lust

But it's not required as much on tree

[teal crown]

Yeah, I'd say not much anymore.

[craggy pilot]

ffs like this im at 99.75% 🤣

oh like this, 100% perfectly

now i just need to break 15 into doable packs

[upbeat salmon]

You don't play 4 and 5 together?

Suppose it depends on key lvl

[trim hill]

you would do 4 and 6. 4 and 5 is no bueno usually

[pulsar sedge]

Looks like alot of back tracking tbh

[craggy pilot]

you pull 3 textbook, 1 scepter + 1 battleaxe togehter? sounds kinda scary tbh

[upbeat salmon]

4 and 6 aye, confused

Nah 2 textbooks

[craggy pilot]

ye still 2 textbook and 2 battleaxe

[teal crown]

That will give you 100%

[craggy pilot]

i know what the old route was lul

[upbeat salmon]

I mean my only xp so far was a 15

[teal crown]

Los that last pull into the boss room

[craggy pilot]

the thought was if the last trash is easier than the top island trash

since we can lust Elemental + Bird now that tree is free

[fallow osprey]

The last trash has the highest efficiency scores fwiw

[craggy pilot]

ye ok thx

was what i thought

[upbeat salmon]

So you'd go vex, into tree, into bird backtrack to last?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[fallow osprey]

Usually I don’t kill trash on both paths to vex, I choose one and backtrack, pick up % at the drakonids

[vocal trellis]

I'd recommend playing the bird as second boss

[upbeat salmon]

Wonder if timer wise I'd make sense to onepull tree lust, then clear to vex and have lust for him

[craggy pilot]

in what key levels?

and why?

[vocal trellis]

because its easier then tree and vex

[craggy pilot]

oh thats actually an idea

[craggy pilot]

did you try the new tree?

[vocal trellis]

yeah i did on 21

was okay with lust

[craggy pilot]

thought im not sure how long the trash would take

[vocal trellis]

without i think it could have been pretty close, but depends on your comp

[craggy pilot]

did you try it without lust?

[upbeat salmon]

Only one way to know

[craggy pilot]

the boss seems giga sleep now tbh

timings are so easy on it

bird fkin slaps on Tyrannical, but no clue how you handled the goals

[prisma arch]

How in the fuck do i survive last boss in AV? just depleted a 19 cuz of that. Already up against the walls and using leap when i baited the orbs on the ground.

[vocal trellis]

i didnt, but in the end the saplings were starting to almost overlap again

[upbeat salmon]

Get externals to movr

[teal crown]

Tank with your back to a wall first.

[prisma arch]

I do

[craggy pilot]

use Charge strategically, use leap strategically, call for healer dispel

[fallen pulsar]

For people running 15+ tryannical, what talents do you run for RLP? Second boss tears me apart. Do you dstance + one other defensive for the duration of the dot? I feel so buttery soft for that DoT

[teal crown]

Yeah, that's about all you can do.

Hope you get good RNG with the balls.

[pulsar sedge]

Avatar to remove slow. Healer to remove slow. Stand still. Let the orbs come to the boss then charge around to the other side. Intervene to a dps. Have voker rescue you.

[upbeat salmon]

SR for rlp

[prisma arch]

Some random healer said its best to move around all the time and not be static with movement

[upbeat salmon]

Maybe Spellblock idk

[craggy pilot]

nah need to be static

and let debuff drop

then big movement

[fallen pulsar]

Thought sr and sb dont work on dots

[mellow quartz]

You dying to puddles or not killing the shards?

[teal crown]

Thundering trolling you the whole time.

[upbeat salmon]

Assuming puddles

[prisma arch]

Puddles

[vocal trellis]

try to stack up your ip, hope your healer isnt a moron and use your selfhealing abilities to the fullest, most u can do

[craggy pilot]

where?

[pulsar sedge]

Intervene removes thundering as a pest shrug

[upbeat salmon]

Last av

[teal crown]

Last boss of AV

[craggy pilot]

thundering is giga in last boss AV

[mellow quartz]

Just don’t move and when you have to move move big so you will have 4s to stand still so the debuff drops next time you have to move.

[craggy pilot]

gives you free movement speed for the duration

when thundering pops you can move across the room if you want to

[upbeat salmon]

Hmm didnt catch on to that

[teal crown]

My problem is pugs

But that's good to know

tyty

[upbeat salmon]

Everyone's pb is pugs

[teal crown]

ha!

[oak echo]

dps love to insta clear that fight for some dumb reason

[teal crown]

Yeah, that's my issue

[tender cove]

cos is quickly losing its charm, this trinket ugh...

[teal crown]

Still love that one.

[craggy pilot]

hahaha yes same bro

[inland raft]

my issue with pugs is them not clearing at all and having to spin mobs with cleaves all over the place to keep from being stunned

[upbeat salmon]

HoV!

[craggy pilot]

how many do you have?

[upbeat salmon]

Tank y u no clear

[tender cove]

how do i find that

[upbeat salmon]

Cauz I'll kill you if I di

[craggy pilot]

statistics, search for Melandrus

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah pugs have been really bad at clearing thundering this reset idk why, have been wiped a lot from random pugs being in narnia and running away from people trying clear thundering

[craggy pilot]

i had mage wipe us in +16 and he whined about it 😄

[teal crown]

haha, the great thing is that if I get pos I just leave it unless one of the dps is being dumb.

[craggy pilot]

cus he didnt move with thundering

[teal crown]

Moar uptime for me.

[tender cove]

14 but that cant be true lol. I've done 5 runs just today xD

[neon elk]

Doesnt that count also all previous kills ? Like on legion m+ and legion TWm+ etc ?

[craggy pilot]

i dont think i had any

never been in COS before

[tame jasper]

i have mates who are the same -_- killed us a COS 17 just a few mins ago

[upbeat salmon]

Always fun getting cleaved to death and melee runs in to clear with you. Plz don't go hug the MM in Narnia plz

[tame jasper]

running / stunning us 4 times infight (2x boss)

[mellow quartz]

I am still amazed that some people don’t have a thundering ‘announce’ WA at this point.

[neon elk]

My pugs failed 17aa yd because they couldnt clear on vexamus , twice.

[tender cove]

this is my pet peeve, the peopl who run away from you, its driving me insane at times

[inland raft]

this affix makes me hate all ranged tbh

[upbeat salmon]

But muh deeps

[tame jasper]

yes i mean there are tons out of it

[neon elk]

This!! And then u have people that instantly dispell for no reason whatsoever .. like wtf, 2,5k rio people doing that

[inland raft]

they are by far the worse offenders of jsut staying 30 yards away and complaining about thundering not getting cleared

[fallen pulsar]

I genuinely am entertaining running intervene so I can leap + intervene to clear on narnia ranged players

[tame jasper]

same with melees: u damaging a mob who does literally nothing, like enforcer in cos, and instan clear at 13 sec..

[teal crown]

Yep, I really miss intervene for the movement speed.

[upbeat salmon]

I really don't want to run intervene

[inland raft]

id rather instant clear then wipe though

[upbeat salmon]

True

[tender cove]

i think about intervene every run but not sure what to give up for it

[neon elk]

Ye but a lot of people insta clear for no valid reason

[inland raft]

lesser of 2 evils

[upbeat salmon]

But like why clear insta when boss does nothing

[fallen pulsar]

I’ve never understood the ranged players that need to play at the very farthest pixel their spells will let them cast at, it’s just wack positioning

[tender cove]

if the dps dont make an effort to help clear mine? i just instantly start to clear it til they either get the point or it dont matter.

[teal crown]

Give up storm bolt for intervene like a true pro.

[mellow quartz]

That’s just trolling

[teal crown]

😄

[fallen pulsar]

Being like 10-15 yards to melee is a nice sweetspot

[vocal trellis]

its just against the natural melee brain to not move around while dpsing, also dh e.g. have to move around to do dmg, so it might happen unintentionally

[marble drift]

fuck dhs

[tame jasper]

true

[upbeat salmon]

Brrrrr goes the dh

[tame jasper]

but its rare. one friend of me is DH and we play a lot of keys. the unitnetionally clears are low

[teal crown]

Although, honestly, what about giving up rally for intervene.

[upbeat salmon]

Nah

[vocal trellis]

dont

[fallen pulsar]

Nah

Rally is great utility

[teal crown]

Yeah, I press it a lot, I get it.

[upbeat salmon]

^

[fallen pulsar]

Saved so many runs with it

You see someone’s hp rapidly dipping, rally and they get spot healed just in time before dying

Dopamine

[prisma crane]

you would just get rid of sidearm

[vocal trellis]

experienced players might be able to avoid it ya :d

[inland raft]

give up either intimidating shout or the self-heal i would recommend the self-heal if you want intervene

pain and gain talent

[tender cove]

its a good 10% healing though 😮

[vocal trellis]

dont give up on the selfheal either

[fallen pulsar]

I don’t use intimidating, but I usually run with a dh, so AoE CC is solid

[teal crown]

I don't run IS

[vocal trellis]

its too powerful

[trim hill]

pain and gain is meh

[teal crown]

Maybe give up bounding stride

[inland raft]

very meh

[vocal trellis]

ya, bounding stride is rly not important

[teal crown]

Yeah, I don't run pain and gain either

[tender cove]

Not THAT meh

[fallen pulsar]

Bounding might only be nice in like AV final boss

[vocal trellis]

you should use iv more bro ;D

[prisma crane]

what the hell talents are you guys running? just drop sidearm for intervene if you need it

[fallen pulsar]

Not really needed anywhere else

[inland raft]

bounding is just nice qol

[teal crown]

Sidearm procs too much

I like it

[inland raft]

but ya you need to use impending way more

[fallen pulsar]

I like sidearm a lot

[tender cove]

I rarely get much opportunity to use it. If i dont dip below 50-60%, i really dont see a reason?

[teal crown]

I use impending all the time, it's big healing

[trim hill]

I mean I could show you a breakdown where IP does 10% more healing and Pain and Gain does much less because you're actually hitting IP during GCDs when you would rage cap

[prisma crane]

you'd rather give up 10% healing for like what? 2% dmg?

[vocal trellis]

u got a point if u are not taking big dmg consistently

[prisma crane]

and im a dmg whore

[teal crown]

hahaha, aren't we all.

[trim hill]

I don't get it if you never take dmg to hit IV then you dont need pain and gain

[tender cove]

that was from a cos13

[fallen pulsar]

IV is incredible healing

[trim hill]

What kind of argument is that

[vocal trellis]

i c x)

[prisma crane]

if you need intervene, drop sidearm, problem solved

[fallen pulsar]

I’d probably drop pain and gain tbh

[prisma crane]

sure if im doing inconsequential shit i would too

but if im doing that shit then idc about intervene either

[vocal trellis]

anyhow i would not advice you running intervene just to destack thundering

[prisma crane]

also that

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah its not actually a good idea

[upbeat salmon]

It's spot healing, so you're consistently full hp

[fallen pulsar]

I just a frustrating experience with some pug DPS lmao

They really refuse to do mechanics

[teal crown]

Yeah, I just like it for movement speed and gathering

[vocal trellis]

dont decide your talents or whatever based on the incompetence of others

[upbeat salmon]

Intervene and drag the cleaving mobs

[teal crown]

haha

[upbeat salmon]

Or the ones that melee whoever is closest

[fallen pulsar]

Big brain

[prisma crane]

if the premise for taking it in the first place is to deal with bad players in pugs, i would argue that extends to bad heals in pugs, even more reason to keep png over sidearm

[upbeat salmon]

Melee gonna love tjs when you run out of spirits

[fallen pulsar]

Sidenote: I need my prot paladin cotank to get tier already so I can get the versatility buff during raid 😔 I wanna pump harder

[upbeat salmon]

Can we get titans grip for prot plz?

[vocal trellis]

my rl refuses to let me into the windfury group :(

[upbeat salmon]

I wanna rock jinrohk

And a shield

[limber heart]

Quick question if ya'll don't mind, I have a crafted lariat, shield, and main hand. Ideally what was the first thing ya'll would upgrade to 418, I assume its the between the shield and the weapon just not sure which would be bigger value to do first

[upbeat salmon]

Probs sim

[teal crown]

Shield for me.

[upbeat salmon]

But most likely shield

[fallen pulsar]

I’d love titans grip lmao so many fun mogs to one hand with a shield

[tender cove]

shield

[teal crown]

^^

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah shield for sure

[vocal trellis]

shield i guess, adds dmg thru shieldslam and sustainability

[limber heart]

Do you have to fiddle with any api stuff to sim crafting upgrades or was that an option I just didn't see

[upbeat salmon]

I don't even want the stats, idc, just lemme mog a 2hander

[teal crown]

Block is your bread and butter.

[fallen pulsar]

Surviving means you can push higher

[teal crown]

For real, this so much.

[limber heart]

also fair, was leaning towards shield just wanted to get more opinions, thanks!

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah where’s titan’s mog

I’d pay for that glyph

[teal crown]

Yeah, the hard work with TG is already done, should be able to just let us mog it.

I'd use asscandy with the bulwark

[white harness]

How good is 4pc bois? Doing m+ onlu

[plush tendon]

worth about 5% leach

[white harness]

Alright cheers

[teal crown]

How much leech are most of you running?

[upbeat salmon]

Yes

[teal crown]

I'm at 538

[plush tendon]

theres not a good way to determine how worthwhile our 4 set is.... its just not very inspiring... In some cases losing a I level or two may be worth

in others, better to equip something thats big but not tier

[teal crown]

Some fights it's just hard to keep revenge going for me.

[urban portal]

its really just 5% leech

i dont understand how thats so hard

[urban portal]

if you have trouble with keeping up revenge then you can drop barb training

[plush tendon]

I just dont use barb training

partly cause my haste is kind of lacking right now... only at 22%

Im like haste=crit=vers>mastery in terms of where my stats are allocated

[teal crown]

Yeah, that may be it for me as well, sitting at 23%