protection

[severe hatch]

Oh

[hazy thicket]

cant even dwarf it?!

[strong forum]

no

[pliant void]

Wait really?

[hazy thicket]

yikes

[pliant void]

Wow ok

Gotta run cheat death and bolster then

[plush tendon]

gotta find jesus then

[pliant void]

And save ravager for rage gen ignore pain spam

[plush tendon]

bring ya back from the dead

[oblique garnet]

Idk just get evoker and time dilation

never have to worry

[pliant void]

Not enough honestly

[hazy thicket]

paladin bubble + sac

[cinder storm]

When you leap and the boss still puts bleed on you from 20 yds

[pliant void]

Yup

[plush tendon]

yea, thats the rough part

[oblique garnet]

Why would you leap

[strong forum]

inferno

[ocean prairie]

How good is the seal of diurna chosen with the belt? Because just with fire damagin trinkets it's not a lot of dps

[strong forum]

dying

[pliant void]

I think I’ve almost got the rotation figured out but there is one window where I just have nothing

[cinder storm]

Dying add, boss stays insides still casts melee

[strong forum]

the fire rings are bis

[plush tendon]

bad overlap with killing add and inferno

can confirm

[pliant void]

Bubble sac or just some big healer cd could fill it

[plush tendon]

fire ring shield is awesome

cant wait for fire ring fireball

[oblique garnet]

Its a slow ass channel theres 0 reason to speed ahead that can potentially fuck up your boulder bait

[strong forum]

how can you fuck up boulder bait

if the boss doesnt move

thats not on you lol

[plush tendon]

oh you can

[strong forum]

if the add dies and boss starts casting

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

the boss wont move

[cinder storm]

^

[strong forum]

you cant fuck up anything there

[ocean prairie]

Even without belt? I see the dmg one doesn't do a lot with manic grieftorch and decoration of flame

[heavy glen]

should I be prioritizing shield slam over revenge in boss fights during raid?

[strong forum]

cuz its out of your control

[strong forum]

you need the belt

[cinder storm]

You just have to hope the healer can keep up and pray

[strong forum]

yes

[plush tendon]

though watching critcake's awesome arms PoV of a high fort for Ruby, they seem to have a good methodology to the second boss

[novel helm]

Hello, I have a question regarding the raid rings that do the dot & the shield, they work well with the insignia of flames and the Rumbling Ruby 🙂

[ocean prairie]

Ok thanks

[dusky canopy]

You need the crafted belt with the embellishment to make the fire ring bis

[ocean prairie]

Decoration of flame? No around 0. 5% dps

[wide charm]

how do you survive 3rd boss of jade ? what rotation do you use

[cinder storm]

1 range bait add rest bait bombs to fire, bait when moving out of inferno, when add spawns bait bombs to fire again then kill new add, it's simple yet people don't get it

[dusky canopy]

Shield slam , tc, ip

[cinder storm]

Aegis defender and spell block are big in that dungeon, assuming you are running those

[remote dawn]

Primal Whetstone or
Howling Rune what use?

[dusky canopy]

Rune

[wide charm]

defender's aegis, really ? ok

impenetrable wall seems so good

[inland garnet]

Hey, asking for a quick advice from the pro's. I wasn't super convinced by the proposed wowhead M+ talent build and made some changes.
Relatively undergeared toon, so survivability is important. Not experienced with the DF talents - any mistakes?

[strong forum]

Remove battle-scarred, get bloodsurge
Remove enduring alacrity, get outburst

Rest is good

[inland garnet]

Yeah, these are the changes I made to the wowhead build 🙂

[strong forum]

Both of those are must takes

Hard must take

[wide charm]

i'd take stormbolt over sidearm but yeah

[hazy thicket]

Change barbaric training if you feel like you have bad rage economy

[plush tendon]

id drop the barbaric training for stormbolt

[strong forum]

^

[inland garnet]

Why is Battle-scarred not used in M+?

[strong forum]

It procs too early

And you don't need it

99% of the time it procs at pointless times and doesn't save anything

[wide charm]

is it ? sometimes i take big hits and i survive with like 20% hp so i assume it was needed

[inland garnet]

I see

[dusky canopy]

No

You survived

And then you get healed

Not you survived because you have talent

[inland garnet]

Is Bloodsurge that good over Enduring Alacricity? Because it floods with rage u can dump into pains and dmg?

[strong forum]

All we care about is generating rage

So yes, it's massively important

[ivory elbow]

worth the ilvl drop?

[strong forum]

To get 2pc,yes

[ivory elbow]

[tender cove]

there's no cap on crafted gear right? Just amount of embels you can equip?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tender cove]

and next spark is next reset, right?

[ivory elbow]

no its now

[tender cove]

ohh 😮

[ivory elbow]

if u in eu its today and US it was yesterday

[wise adder]

aren't sparks every 2 weeks ?

[strong forum]

Every 2 weeks

[wise adder]

should be next week

[rough egret]

Next week

[sweet summit]

next week

[tender cove]

So i can just craft the 1handed wep and just not put an embel on it and also make the fire waist?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tender cove]

okok, cool, ty 😄

[strong forum]

Thats what I'll do next week

[inland garnet]

feels bad missing on Intervene :] not that it's a must-have but it was a signature mobility move

[tender cove]

I'm running as arms lootspec so figured i'll just craft a decent wep instead but also wanted to plan ahead for the fire stuff :p

[full violet]

Signet of Melandrus Upgrade to 415 or not is the question. Today is my lucky day i guess

[edgy grail]

Depending on my comp snd dungeon I sometimes drop stormbolt for it

[gritty glen]

Intervent still has some niche uses, particularly the fixate on HoV wolf boss.

[lyric drift]

Will items obtained from the vault pre catalyst be able to be put into it for tier do we know?

[gritty glen]

Intervene*

[topaz lily]

Add another tier pice or get the ring?

[full violet]

some1 plz tell me i dont need to stop at 40% haste

[high drum]

anyone knows an addon that filters out the crap that drtops in m+

primal chaos and the infusion thingies

[deep spruce]

What do u mean

filter it out in what way

[high drum]

what do u mean what do i mean

i dont wanna see it

like i just wanna see the 2 items

at the end

[limpid anchor]

You don’t have 40% haste anyway

[high drum]

instead of the buggiest frame in existence

[limpid anchor]

Unless you run itf

[full violet]

i just see now, armory tells 40%, character sheet 34%

[deep spruce]

Hmm, i dont even know what u mean, i must have an addon already cos when i loot chest all that shit goes auto into bags

[high drum]

u see a big shitty popup

that takes ur whole screen

full of garbonza

[deep spruce]

No, i dont

[high drum]

i just wnana see the 2 items

[deep spruce]

which is my point 😛

[high drum]

then you have an addon

[deep spruce]

must be built into elvui or something

[gritty glen]

Yea the big empty black frame that covers the screen? It's annoying but it goes away in like 5 seconds.

I don't know how to get rid of it

[heavy temple]

do people reasonably run ITF, or is that mostly for parsing?

Also, do you actually go Barbaric Training, i feel like i am not gcd locked out of CDs at like 23% haste

[tender cove]

this was fixed many versions ago. I made a bug report myself.

[gritty glen]

Fixed how? Still happens to me every m+

[tender cove]

It was elvui bugging and it stopped happening after update.

[gritty glen]

I don't use elvui

[tender cove]

Thats interesting.

[gritty glen]

Not a huge deal because it goes away quick. Just makes me scratch my head

[tender cove]

The two black boxes that happens on login and just goes away after a couple seconds?

[gritty glen]

No, after loot is distributed at end of dungeon

[lone eagle]

He's talking about tooltip boxes

I bet

[serene locust]

how do you guys sim yourself as tank? I've just opened my vault and simmed and what its telling me to choose doesn't seem that great

[tender cove]

I had a very similar bug, kept getting black boxes covering the screen that just vanished after a couple seconds.

[lone eagle]

I would just have constant tooltips and ghost boxes left behind from them

item compare ones

I ended up disabling tooltips in Elvui and just letting the default UI tooltips exist

fixed my problem in a sad way

[sand mason]

yo what addon is this

[fast sentinel]

is this even a good trinket or should I be sad?

[gritty glen]

It's not awful but there's definitely better choices

[wanton night]

does anyone have a WA that shows the 2nd tank's hp and debuffs the person has?

[fast sentinel]

yea I figured

all the other vault options are kinda meh too :(

[gritty glen]

Right there with you, had to take the tokens this week 😦

[grizzled forge]

@wanton night look up co tank weak aura dragonflight

[wanton night]

https://wago.io/7efzxVMXX ?

[toxic gyro]

Random shields generally are pretty ass, can’t relly on them. Most of the time it will snipe heals you would normally get from leech or healer.

[uneven mason]

Focus frame?

[fast sentinel]

ye makes sense actually.

[wanton night]

i guess i could play around with that

[serene locust]

i literally have no idea what to take from my vault lol

[uneven mason]

Absorbs are in theory fine as long as it's a sufficient amount, RNG healing is the garbage especially for a tank that is generally near max hp

[toxic gyro]

On use shield trinkets are good if the absorbs on them are sufficient, bc you can use them as cd.

[uneven mason]

The primary problem with absorbs, proc or use, is they're generally only 1/2 of an IP

Might as well just pew

[toxic gyro]

Yea the amount has to be sufficient to consider it worth it

[uneven mason]

I think big daddy Sire D absorb trinket was worthwhile and OFC hakar scale

[cursive burrow]

Just keep remaking Aegis every tier. I'm happy with it.

[uneven mason]

But since then meh

Yeah aegis

[toxic gyro]

Psychic shell from nzoth was lit

[cursive burrow]

That thing was amazing.

[fast sentinel]

is there a list somewhere of good trinkets for prot?

[uneven mason]

Maybe

[toxic pewter]

Whatever you do do not make the mistake I made and pick dragon games equipment from vault. This trinket is beyond crap, half the time I cannot kick the balls.

I am removing it even though its a 418 and going to use heroic rumbling ruby

wasted my vault

[ivory briar]

Can i trust the sims for Seal of Diurna's Chosen? It sims much better than Manic Grieftorch. So Sims says take Mythic Ring, but idk if i should take it over Grieftorch HC, just because in raids you get Resets from time to time

[fast sentinel]

good advise

[cinder merlin]

Stupid question if you are at 401 GS, and have 1 piece of tier. Is it worth going into LFR and grabbing another tier piece to 2 piece or 4 piece even though it'll massively drop GS?

[toxic pewter]

yah i did that for the gloves personally I value tier

[serene locust]

is the tier bonus decent?

[toxic pewter]

yeah I have 4 piece and I find its great

[uneven mason]

It's effective

[serene locust]

Im trying to choose my vault item, i dont have 1 tier piece yet but 2 have popped up in my vault (helm+chest) the helm is a gs upgrade but theres a lovely 411 ring

[uneven mason]

A free 4% dr and free IP

[toxic gyro]

Dropping ilvl on one piece could be worth it, dropping ilvl on 3-4pieces for tier from 400 to 376, no

[prisma crane]

thats all i do lol, maybe a WA would be smarter but seems good enough

[serene locust]

simbot is saying take boots but I have the boots already just a lower ilvl version which I could upgrade with valor

[sand mason]

You should go run normal and as much heroic as you can and then decide on vault

[deep isle]

Would leveling tier pants from 389 to 398ish be a good expenditure of valor? I haven't used any yet and haven't picked up any weapons or trinkets that I can level

[untold adder]

hey guys. How high of a prio is 4set bonus for us?

i have 3 pieces now, and im ilvl 400. Would it be worth to do LFR for the last piece?

[toxic gyro]

The highest obviously, we’re warriors. We wanna slap

[hardy hamlet]

I wouldn‘t. Valor is limited. Chances are you‘ll get a piece that is higher from vault.

[toxic gyro]

Dropping ilvl on one piece could be worth it, dropping ilvl on 3-4pieces for tier from 400 to 376, no

[prisma crane]

its purely defensive, so that is up to the content you do

[inland raft]

Ya i chose ilvl over 4 set cuz not having issue staying alive and tier will come

Worse case catalyst

[prisma crane]

pretty much that

[inland raft]

2 piece id prob sacrifice some ilvl for but 4 piece is purely defensive so unless feeling like struggling eh

[deep isle]

Ok, thanks. Any advice on when it would be worth? Like an ilvl minimum or certain slots? My assumption is shield, then weapon, then trinkets but idk at what lvl it would be worth to start

[hardy hamlet]

Generally I would say BIS items that you can‘t easily get at a higher item lvl

[prisma crane]

pretty much just BiS items

tier is a weird exception because of how the catalyst gives you higher chances since you dont need X or Y chest at high ilvl for example, you just need any chest at high ilvl

or legs in your case

[weak snow]

catalyst isn't for another 3 weeks though right?

[prisma crane]

2 afaik

well, 2 resets

oh nvm

wait i think 2

17th NA/18th EU

though there's been conflicting reports

[raw grove]

Hello All ! I'm a fury Warrior and I'm doing a transfer to be a War Protect ! Someone has a good WeakAura ? 🙂

Happy New Year to all

[toxic gyro]

Either 17 or 23

[prisma crane]

hey! happy new year to you too, for WAs it depends on what you're looking for

there's several that can be found on Wago

[hardy hamlet]

Valor won‘t run away, but it is fairly easy to get dropped ilvl 398 (M15 end of dungeon) or heroic ilvl pieces from the raid. 8 ilvls on tier legs won‘t make a difference now, but having that valor later to get your BIS trinket to 415 will.

[raw grove]

I'm on it but it's not updated. Do you have any to advice ?

[fathom goblet]

on M+ TC is the ability that does more damage ?

[uneven mason]

You'll do alot of damage with it

[hardy hamlet]

Exception when the immediate power gain would be large, though it’s still not optimal. For example I spent my Valor to get a weapon with good stats + leech to 415. If I get a 421 weapon from vault now it‘s gonna feel a little bad but I‘ll take my chances.

[fathom goblet]

but is it the main damage output ?

[deep isle]

Ok, ty

[sullen lichen]

auto attack ring > cobalt rep tank ring

right boys?

aka. when does one ditch tank ring

[urban portal]

auto attack ring is good stats with minor damage

[jade stump]

we never use tank ring and stick to dps ring

[uneven mason]

Ss will beat it generally speaking

But it's top 3 most times

[jade stump]

on the same ring question we like the raid rings? and need the waist to be procced right

[fathom goblet]

@sick sentinel I have Slam Shield, Revange, and then TC

[uneven mason]

As soon as you can get to a vendor?

[hardy hamlet]

Idk tank ring still feels relevant to me in m+ but I have shit rings. Cobalt dps is only 2-3% overall but tank ring is 12% healing.

[uneven mason]

Sounds fine

[prisma crane]

personally i don't use a WA package, i just made a few of my own that track stuff like shield block and CDs, etc

[sullen lichen]

yea.. cobalt ring is 13%overall "healing"

[raw grove]

That's what i'm looking for

[uneven mason]

Revenge will shift depends on if you're dumping into IP a ton

[silent anchor]

do you open as prot or u think fury would be better. some nice dps trinket

[hardy hamlet]

Can‘t compare top runs to shit keys but there is a fair bit of high io tanks using the tank ring over the dps one, so it‘s definitely not negligible.

[uneven mason]

Fury, get mad when you get a 2h

[rough egret]

Just ignore the pain

[slate pine]

I’m seeing conflicting info on line. Is stat prio not haste vers then crit? Some people are saying crit is better?

[silent anchor]

truth

8 2 hander choices, hmmm

[uncut notch]

atm toolkit is fine with low verse, so stacking crit is super fine

But when that nerf bat comes swinging, crit stackers are going to feel it

[placid oar]

erm sry but when is that nerf bat coming? Prot warriors getting a nerf?

[uncut notch]

no idea

could be end of season

could be end of expac

When they came for DH i said nothing

When they came for BDK i said nothing

etc

[placid oar]

eh?

[fathom goblet]

is there any addon that would automatic record logs from all M+ runs I do ?

[placid oar]

ah nvm

[uncut notch]

yeah DBM can do it for you

[fathom goblet]

@cosmic bone can u teach me ?

[uncut notch]

Prot is clearly the outlier and given how aggressive they have been with nerfs to other outlying classes, its inevitably coming

[silent anchor]

hmmmm

[slate pine]

Yeah I have been mainly shooting for haste vers but my damage output is slightly lower than I want. 394 ilvl, I’m around 30-35k overall?

[uncut notch]

what key?

Academy you can be easily 50k overalls

[cosmic bone]

I have never played prot in my entire life. You got the wrong guy.

[uncut notch]

AV/HOV 30-35 is kinda fine

[fathom goblet]

@cosmic bone I have this option checked, where DBM saves the log ?

[uncut notch]

Dont forget like you dont have to hard focus crit or verse

you can blend

[crisp belfry]

is it worth to change racial from maghar orc to orc ?

[slate pine]

Could be my spec honestly. I chose to shoot for a slight more bleed damage run. Do you have any suggestions l?

[uncut notch]

no

Unless youre an absolutely 0.1% player race changing for competitive edge isnt worth it

The only one id consider valid was dwarf in SL for the cleanse or Human in DF for the de-stun

[toxic pewter]

in RLP does the final boss purposely drop aggro when he gets on the dragon or what

[uncut notch]

yes

[uneven mason]

Yes

[uncut notch]

threat resets

[toxic pewter]

is it always the troll

[uneven mason]

It's great

[uncut notch]

its so fucking dumb

[toxic pewter]

which one literally drops the threat

troll or dragon

[uncut notch]

Uhhhh troll i think?

[toxic pewter]

I think its the troll also

[uneven mason]

Love watching my havoc buddy get one shot when the dude mounts up

[toxic pewter]

ww just got 1 shot

[uncut notch]

honestly just clap em both

[toxic pewter]

cuz i didnt taunt fast enough LOL

awkward

[uneven mason]

I've learned to save ravager for phase

[toxic pewter]

dragon melee'd him though

so the dragon dropped the threat...

wait

do they both drop aggro?

[uneven mason]

Mmhmm

[toxic pewter]

oh shit

i gotta aoe taunt going forward

XD

[deep spruce]

Does shattering throw work on first boss shield in RLP?

[toxic pewter]

prob ya

but they just nerfed that shield

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[deep spruce]

nothing will beat dark arrow from hunter, but as an alternative i guess

wailing arrow*

[uneven mason]

Wrecking throw takes a chunk idk if it's worth

[uncut notch]

honestly dont bother

Its nerfed to shit now

just let ya boys do the work

[urban bane]

Press shield slam on the RLP boss bubble and win

[ebon geyser]

gotta love not being able to queue to anything

[dapper timber]

what are the best crafted items for prot?

[tropic tangle]

depends on what you've got at what ilvl, but generally shield/weapon are good bets

[lilac jay]

guys important question. if i dont open vault but raid again (6 bosses) - does it count for my next week vault? thanks!

[marble cipher]

It does

But I mean, you can open it

Just don't pick an item

[proven grail]

In offspec prot should I switch 2 non set pieces of 415 ilvl to normal 395 pieces or is the bonus not enough ?

[fathom goblet]

which skill pulls more aggro TC or Revenge ?

[languid estuary]

feeling confused on what to take from vault, i have the whispering incarnate icon at 395, which is suppose to be bis, but other things give me more dps when i sim using raidbots, any tips on what to do?

[marble cipher]

Icon only becomes bis if at least a certain amount of other people wear it too iirc

[hollow token]

Not a damn piece of tier in the vault across 6 slots… but did pick up this…

[marble cipher]

Though, if everyone holds out on taking it because of that, then nobody will have it any time soon

[languid estuary]

i know we have 1 healer and 1 dps with it in my raid

at least

[fluid beacon]

Hey friends. Quick question. The pin says that the Frost fire belt can proc "the raid trinket". Is that the whispering icon that can proc?

[mighty valley]

it says "raid rings"

[fluid beacon]

Oh shit. I misread

Thank you

[dusky sentinel]

Me on the other hand got Tier helm, shoulders and legs. I need to raid before taking one incase I get lucky with 4p

sry. thats a once in a lifetime brag about vault

[hollow token]

RNG has failed me so far on tier. Still rocking a 2-set

[dusky sentinel]

To be fair. If u got 2 set uve been lucky compared to many others. I got bros not getting a raid loot yet

[hollow token]

Fair point

[uneven mason]

Got 2 tier pieces back to back from my m+ line

Chest and helm, feels good

[fierce geyser]

I understand getting 4 set bonus needed, but if I have a choice on getting that 4 set, which item is worst to have to complete the set? Gloves?

[prisma crane]

gloves are our worst, yes

[fierce geyser]

Thank you!

[pallid briar]

Is it worth dropping 10 ilevel to get 2 set?

[prisma crane]

almost always

especially if it's on a small piece like gloves

[pallid briar]

It is, 392 gloves to 382 tier gloves

[inland mesa]

4% damage is probably better than 10 ilvl on gloves, but only the sim knows the truth

[urban portal]

It prob is

4% damage on 10 Ilvl is only like weapons

[inland mesa]

Strike Twice doesn't seem that bad. Seems to be about half of an embellishment

Or about 2/3 frost belt doing about 300k a pull, strike twice doing 200k

[urban portal]

Strike twice isn’t bad

It’s “bis”

But the effect itself is minor

[mighty valley]

it's a classic "not worth any ilvl but clearly better at same"

[inland mesa]

Yeah I got a 421 strike twice from Vault, so I'm running it

Just hadn't bothered to go out of my way for it before so was checking logs to see what it actually did

Yeah, seems pretty good, sim had it at like 560dps

My Vault has been 415 weapon, 408 tier chest for 2 piece, 421 strike twice

As the other items are like 421 bracers and 😕

[urban portal]

Sheesh

421 strike twice

Bis for a while

[inland mesa]

Yeah I'm pretty juiced atm, trying to figure out what to spark next, just 3 ilvls on shield or, I don't even know

[urban portal]

Don’t spark

Send me the gold so I can pay for my sub

[nimble laurel]

Anyone see a reason I shouldn't craft a haste/vers belt with food extension using my third spark? Belt is by far my lowest ilvl item at 372 and I have the mats to do it at 405.

[inland mesa]

What's your other embellishment? I am lariat frostbite belt

[nimble laurel]

lariat and fang adornments on weapon

I guess getting the ring from first boss in raid would require me to make frostfire belt, if that were to happen

[inland mesa]

Yeah that's why I went that way. Just need it to stop being 2k+ for dps and only 1740 for me D:

[nimble laurel]

I also have a 372 ring slot that I could craft in

[fathom goblet]

which situations do I use rend ?

[gritty glen]

None

Remove it from your bar

[tropic tangle]

apply via tclap

[nimble laurel]

never, just apply through tclap

[fathom goblet]

thxs

[round pendant]

Which buff do we use for Primal Ritual Shell? Wind? Fire?

[fierce geyser]

Make sure you have blood and thunder talent but if you get your talents from anywhere reputable, you’ll have it

[lyric elm]

Fire

[round pendant]

I wonder how that works, does it do the 40k-ish damage to just your target?

or does it add 40k damage to the ability so thunder clap will hit 40k to all for example

[lyric elm]

Just aoe dmg

[neon elk]

How bad is incarnate icon in m+ assuming i have no controll wheter or not others will play it ?

[lusty narwhal]

do you guys use any addons with blizzard raid frames to make debuffs larger? I wanna be able to track tank swapping debuffs better but blizzard frame debuffs are small

[grave prairie]

i need help with the crafting system. what do i have to do if i wanna have CR as warrior? how do i craft the highest piece of gear?

[crimson snow]

New to warrior… but does int. Shout aggro other mobs if it gets feared into them?

[mighty valley]

it usually breaks near instantly since people are generally cleaving

[gritty glen]

The crafting system can be complicated. I'd look at wowhead or icy veins guides explaining sparks of ingenuity, crafting orders, specializations, primal infusions, etc...

[crimson snow]

But if the fear doesn’t break and the feared mob runs into another pack, that pack will pull?

[mighty valley]

yes

[gritty glen]

But high level is, crafted gear has a base ilvl which is increased by primal infusions and the skill of the crafter.

[crimson snow]

Thank you @mighty valley

[grave prairie]

i have some knowledge about that, but the thing is i spec into the tree that lets me craft the CR so i dont think i can craft the head or wrist myself

[gritty glen]

If you can't craft it, you can send a crafting order to someone that can and include the mats in your order

[grave prairie]

what is the max IL as crafted gear?

[gritty glen]

418

[grave prairie]

ok. i will have to check how do i get that

ty mate

[gritty glen]

Concentrated primal infusion + quality 5 craft.

But you can't guarantee Q5.

[indigo glacier]

Anyone know the BiS for the Tier pieces?

[sturdy sable]

Sim your self

[paper nexus]

does anyone know is frostfire works for eranog ring proc?

[gritty glen]

Yes it does

[tropic tangle]

it does

[gritty glen]

"BIS" is rarely a thing, except in certain slots. It depends a lot on the rest of your gear and your talents. Like the guy above said, sim it.

[urban portal]

highest ilevel is generally the way

[prisma crane]

well, all things equal the gloves are our worst slot

so that's a point of reference, but as others have said, ilvl will likely determine best slots for the individual

[north comet]

what are you thoughs about htis trinket ?

[prisma crane]

in my own experience it's underwhelming

[north comet]

as i can see it sometimes heal and sometimes dps

[prisma crane]

but it's harder to quantify

[gritty glen]

Use it if you have nothing else

But it's not great

[prisma crane]

since healing can be clutch or useless, the buff isnt very often (i got under a minute in most dungeons) and the dmg is on par with an embellishment

so, not a lot

[north comet]

i can replace turtle shell 375 with this

and turle do decent dmg

[golden jewel]

it will sometimes go and pull bonus mobs for you

[prisma crane]

turtle isnt bad, but the STR difference alone from 375 to 402 should make it worth it for now until you find something better

[violet vine]

how much better is haste than crit/vers? is big haste + small mast > crit + vers?

same ilvl ofc

[ebon wren]

thoughts on full shockwave builds? it's fun AF but ST is shit

think I saw shuhwar running it once, and was o.O

[mellow quartz]

Just sim it for damage difference. Lower haste will feel worse but not any other significant difference if talking 1 piece.

[prisma crane]

if you purely sim haste will lose out

[mellow quartz]

Low haste is also bad for running ITF

[prisma crane]

we dont take haste for pure dmg reasons

[mellow quartz]

And ITF is good

[ebon wren]

for me high haste leads to errors, not keeping it with every gcd, not using it optimally, I like slower play if i can

[prisma crane]

it's subpar on aoe as well, you likely caught him in a pvp build or something else

[mellow quartz]

Without high haste SB uptime with ITF suffers

[prisma crane]

going to sound bad but i dont recommend prot warrior if slower play is the goal

[fierce geyser]

one of the highest apm specs

[ebon wren]

ya I know. there's just a high point for my ability ha, maybe 30%

[prisma crane]

typically the highest actually

[ebon wren]

I've been playing paladin, which.. is higher than war

[mellow quartz]

Playing warrior but saying you can’t play warrior seems a bit strange 🤷‍♂️

[prisma crane]

i cant speak to that as im only parroting what i see often here, and historically we've been faster than now, but the takeaway though is that haste is our best stat for a reason

[fierce geyser]

SB and IP aren't GCD bound either, and we usually use those as our rage spenders before revenge afaik

[prisma crane]

purely sim i'm willing to bet the crit/vers would win out, but piece by piece having items without haste isnt the end of the world, those stats are still solid for us

[violet vine]

ty

only playing m+, so st sim's aint the biggest thing for me

[prisma crane]

just get haste where you can because the spec plays better with it

just do 3 or 5 targets for a sim

plus ST still matters in M+

esp on tyr weeks

[violet vine]

how does the stats fare if you're looking at defensive values?

[sturdy sable]

Warrior and ppls cpm is actually pretty close in ST

Just saying

[prisma crane]

similarly, haste is great defensively due to feeding the AM machine, and vers does vers things

[violet vine]

ye makes sense, was actually mostly wondering about mast and crit

[ebon wren]

never said I can't. just saying for ME I lose effectiveness of high haste. It's not advice it was a comment about the limit of my own ability. stop being insulted people.

[prisma crane]

mastery still helps crit blocks but arguably blocked hits arent our problem area anyways, and parry from crit is nice but again if block is up it's not a problem area, i'd say the order is roughly the same for defense but giving vers a bit higher use

[prisma crane]

might just have to adjust a few things, find a way for you to easily hit revenge and IP and you'll have less issues spending the rage with a higher haste build

[ebon wren]

I need a finger massager

[prisma crane]

anger management is just such a key aspect of prot that you want that haste to feed it

[mellow quartz]

The more you block the less damage hits IP. Mastery also gives AP and makes your IP bigger.

Mastery isn’t ‘bad’

[woven trellis]

is the ruby welp shell better than horn of valor

[prisma crane]

agreed

[fierce geyser]

Not sure if you’re using one but I’ve found a 12 button mouse has helped immensely with hitting abilities on time

[ebon wren]

^ yes defintely I need to look into that

[winter ridge]

Am I to low an ilvl at 391 to tank RLP or is this just a learn to play moment. I've bricked my key from 13-11. I'm dying to searing strikes on 2nd boss....

[prisma crane]

unsure, would have to test, and probably sim, but i've heard whelp doesnt sim well, cant confirm this though

[mellow quartz]

Can easily do it at that ilvl

[prisma crane]

12 button mouse is nice, but careful, thumb RSIs are a thing

[mellow quartz]

2nd boss is abt cooldown management

The dot is what will kill you

[winter ridge]

yea thats what im dying to

[fierce geyser]

They are, so it’s definitely about finding one that fits your hand well and still taking breaks to touch grass

[lucid pendant]

you can just run away from searing strikes

[woven trellis]

how do you handle searing blows in RLP in tyrannical guys

[uneven mason]

It's a learning curve on tyrannical, you're basically managing CDs around each time they do that while also making sure you're pumping rage into IP during the ability

[prisma crane]

yea and i have large hands and proportionally even larger thumbs so the curling in to hit those buttons fucked me up, i had to move stuff off of it to save my thumb

[daring jolt]

Guys, what Is a good CD management for third Jade serpent boss? After 3 cast, idk what to do on a 21

[winter ridge]

Thanks all...pretty sure I just need to go back to dh or a more simple tank...warrior to hard unless you have 12 fingers

[uneven mason]

I find that the naga 12buttonnside panel buttons are too small for gorilla hands

[prisma crane]

don't forget that LS is a heal too, so you can use it after the hit to remove some of the absorb

[uneven mason]

The hex was perfect tho

[tropic tangle]

assuming SW - Spell Block + something - SW is what you're using for 3?

[prisma crane]

i like the G600 but logitech's software is fucking awful these days

[lucid pendant]

how good is the RLP trinket (whelp one)? Do I need to use the on-use to make it do something? lmao

other trinkets are: haste alch and horn of valor

[fierce geyser]

No, it’ll trigger itself. But it’s a pretty mid trinket

[prisma crane]

as above, it's not great, only use if it's much higher ilvl, use the trinket on an enemy to try to help prioritize it doing dmg over healing

[novel elk]

the on use changes the whelps priority depending on what you have targeted. Enemy, friendly, or yourself.

[fierce geyser]

Sim and see what works best with what ya got then figure out what to get to replace them

[feral stirrup]

Why do people run spell block on broodkeeper?

is that a Mythic mechanic?

[lucid pendant]

will probably just keep horn for burst windows w/ avatar i think

[novel elk]

I may be wrong about the targeting self "Players can either choose for the Ruby Whelping to focus on dealing damage by targeting an enemy or focus on support by selecting an ally. Along with impressive stats and an extra hand to help in combat, the Red Whelping is simultaneously the most adorable companion to be found in World of Warcraft Dragonflight. If you are hoping to have the baby dragon by your side, here’s what you have to do."

[uneven mason]

It's all physical damage, spell block is pointless

[toxic gyro]

Are you playing double sw?

[uneven mason]

Oh nm

Had 2 chains going on, thought for searing blows

[lucid pendant]

thanks

[uneven mason]

I couldn't handle the 3rd click on top because I'd hit it every time I moved the mouse

[novel elk]

hey gang can y'all help me understanding something I may be missing after running Droptimizer? It's saying Algeth'ar Puzzle Box is my best DPS increase (Use, increase your mastery by 3698) and I can only imagine the DPS increase comes from blocking more and thus getting more Tough as Nails procs? That being said, Shield Block essentially negates master doesn't it? And you should basically have shield block up at all times

[toxic gyro]

No, mastery gives also ap

That’s why it’s dps increase

Also increase your chance to critically block

[wanton shale]

I went through a bunch of different mice testing what was best for me and I was the same with the 12-buttons. It was too much, too small and close to each other. If yall haven't tried it, my favorite ended up being the Logitech G604 with 6 thumb buttons so it's somewhere in-between the standard 2 buttons and the too much 12-buttons for me

[uneven mason]

It's because it's an obscene amount of mastery, however that thing has a cast time

So in actual use it feels like kicking a brick

[novel elk]

oh wow don't know how I missed the fact that mastery gives AP that makes a lot more sense. that's what I get for googling what exactly mastery does instead of looking at it in game. Thanks! Seems like a good trinket then, mix of defense and offense

[novel elk]

does it? Wowhead says instant, what's the cast time?

[uneven mason]

2s

[tired pivot]

where can I go scale up enemy abilities to know how much specific stuff will hit for?

[final mist]

It honestly feels worse than kicking a brick - it’s like you’re driving a really nice sports car and you just accidentally drive into a wall while going 220mph

[uneven mason]

I used one for a while just because you can slap hard on bosses but you're unlikely to trigger it during trash pulls

[tired pivot]

do I just need to have it happen and have it logged

[uneven mason]

Not sure that's a thing

[novel elk]

Yeah, I can't imagine having a cast time 😬

Think it's worth using it pre-pull?

[uneven mason]

No

It gets old after a few 150k SS

[wanton shale]

puzzle box takes some getting used to but i think it ends up lining up with every other TR and it's a massive boost cuz usually another CD will also be up

[toxic gyro]

It’s not great, but not the worst

[uneven mason]

Yeah you can line it up but for a prot war it feels horrible to stop and use and suffer pushback

[wanton shale]

it's like 3600 mastery for 20 secs, even if it's not our greatest stat it's still pretty big

[tired pivot]

does anyone know how I can find the way certain damage buffs affect enemies

[sweet summit]

what

[tired pivot]

a.k.a. fury mobs in AV get their enrage ability + enrage affix

[uneven mason]

It's multiplicative

[tired pivot]

how do they buff

does the enrage ability buff after affix

or before

so on

[sweet summit]

base damage damage x key level scaling x fortified x 1.25 (agitation) x 1.5 (raging)

[uneven mason]

Multiplication doesn't matter the order

[sweet summit]

doesn't matter the order

[novel elk]

Yeah, prot is like go go go 2 seconds is going to feel like an eternity. Not to much to benefit from the defensive aspect it will take a ton of preplanning so you can't be all that reactive.

[tired pivot]

ah, it is just all multiplication

[tired pivot]

thanks for the info

I will do some math for myself

[sweet summit]

bring back justhealus

[final mist]

Just press Shield Block

👍

[sweet summit]

[tulip kelp]

Do you taunt on 2 stacks for kurog?

[hallow kraken]

Is 2pc with 382 chest better than no set with 402 chest?

[mighty valley]

probably, you can sim it

[tired pivot]

absolutely better

no need to sim it

20 ilvl on 1 item does not equal nearly 4% dr

[mighty valley]

good practice to get into the habit of simming the effects of ilvl changes though

to refine your ballparks

[tired pivot]

can we sim damage reduction?

never heard of that

[uneven mason]

Looks like a good target for valor

[inland mesa]

Why would you, it resets in time to only take 1 and you can taunt during cast so boss doesn't move

[main locust]

How highly would you value our 4set though? In general how much ilvl would you drop for it

[uneven mason]

Because prot be all like "hold my beer"

[uneven mason]

It's a lot of rage budget

But for ilvl not a ton

2p sure, 4p ehhh

[main locust]

So I'm assuming going down 13ilvl on legs is worth it, seeing as tier is also heavy Haste/Vers

[inland mesa]

I've gone ilvl over 4 piece, but that's partly because we have 9 people on zenith and heroic last night didn't drop a single piece

[uneven mason]

Nah

Like in normal gameplay that 13ilvl won't make or break you

[prisma crane]

ah, well i tend to hold mice with my thumb and pinky finger so i always grabbed it by the side below that button

[sweet summit]

no

[inland mesa]

Is catalyst the 17th or 24th I can't find a blue post. Mom and dad are fighting as wowhead has 17th, icy veins has 24th

[sweet summit]

24th

[uneven mason]

My hand is legit too wide to use my pinky, ring finger is off the side of the naga I use

[inland mesa]

So wowhead is a deadbeat dad. Got it

[sweet summit]

can't lose saying that
either it's earlier and all is well
or i'm right and all is well

[main locust]

I feel like you're saying two conflicting things; its not worth going down 13ilvl for 4set, and the next message that the 13ilvl wont make the difference

[chilly brook]

you just can't lose period

you're ErgaW famous warri

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

🙂

[weary notch]

Sorry if this has been asked to death, but what are we putting in our lariats? Just 3 air so it always procs haste?

[sweet summit]

takes all gems on ur gear

[mighty valley]

there's no hard answer here. 4pc value changes a lot depending on the content you're doing. a lot of the value comes from the fact that it starts up a new IP when your previous one is wiped. in some content, IP barely ever goes away, or you naturally recast it a moment later

[sweet summit]

when it procs

so lariat alone doesn't matter
all gems matter

[uneven mason]

I said eh, so boss tanking, use 4p, in m+ you're going to be swimming in rage on trash

[sweet summit]

mainstat + haste and then either high crit or high vers + low haste

[uneven mason]

So the IP savings doesn't make sense

[weary notch]

but all air variants, right?

[sweet summit]

no idea what that means but yeah sure

[main locust]

Good point

[prisma crane]

oh yea same, it's a claw for me, part of why i liked the g600, because it's so much wider, still hangs off but it's better

[sweet summit]

as long as it's two stats and low haste it procs haste

[inland mesa]

Gems have an element associated with them, you want air to proc haste

[sweet summit]

or pure haste

but pure haste is less stats

so not ideal

[uneven mason]

C r i t

[warm plinth]

G600 is the goat

[weary notch]

I'm seeing "Fire Emerald" on the Crafty Ysemerald. Wil that proc Crit or Haste?

[inland mesa]

I did primary haste then high haste low version I think

[worthy bloom]

2nd that

[prisma crane]

yea but GHUB is WOAT

[warm plinth]

No way

[prisma crane]

fucking ghub app is pure dogshit

[warm plinth]

Have you seen corsair software?

It's 1000000x worse

[prisma crane]

my mouse doesnt even register left clicks consistently when the ghub app is running

i force close it and it works 100% of the time

[warm plinth]

Wait did I replace my mouse for no reason

[prisma crane]

this is across 3 different logitech mice and 2 separate computers and constant updates

its the app

its literal garbage

[uneven mason]

Razer software would force dirty firmware updates to brick their own products

[warm plinth]

Idk as far as using the software, ghub is fine

[prisma crane]

but, in order to properly use the G600 you have to have the app running, so i just swapped to a more conventional button mouse so i can just leave the app closed

[warm plinth]

Click and drag the key to the button, ezpz

Nah you can just turn on the on-board profile

[prisma crane]

the old logitech software, forget what it was called when i first got the g600 was amazing, new shit... hot ass

[warm plinth]

Don't need to have ghub open

[prisma crane]

never worked for me

i will have to try again, but wouldnt work proper with numpad and the alt version of it

[uneven mason]

I went through 4naga 3rma, until I figured out that I had to block synapse from installing

[prisma crane]

since i dont use it for default #s

[warm plinth]

Thats actually fucked. I used a Naga hex for years with no issues though

[fading tide]

The first adds in azure where do u guys tank them where they are?

[sweet summit]

i have no idea what gems are what based off name

[warm plinth]

If it's low haste, it procs haste. If it's low crit, it procs crit

[sweet summit]

that's what i'm saying!

[warm plinth]

Yeah, like who knows the names of this shit 😂

I have to Google it every time

[weary notch]

Sorry, Crafty Ysemerald (At rank 3) is 70 haste, 33 crit, but it says "Fire Emerald" on it

[warm plinth]

That procs crit

[weary notch]

oh, that makes sense then. It is the "Fire" descriptor, then. All the low crit items are fire gems

cool

[whole plinth]

Puzzle Box 392 vs Decoration of Flame 376?

[sick current]

is there a good chest piece we can/should craft with sparks?

like, what are yall crafting next week?

[uneven mason]

Not tier slots

[sick current]

what are yall going to craft next week

im wondering if i should craft a ring

[warm plinth]

if you need a ring, craft a ring

[sick current]

so far ive done, weapon>neck>bracer

[warm plinth]

What about shield?

[sick current]

yeah my ring is 434, but my other pieces are 418 lol

[uneven mason]

Shore up a weak slot

[warm plinth]

eh, I like the naga hex, but the regular naga is meh

[fallen pulsar]

Do these mythic+ nerfs go live instantly or after next reset?

From the news channel

[warm plinth]

They go live instantly unless otherwise stated in the post.

[fallen pulsar]

Sweet

[warm plinth]

Sounds like something I would do tbh

[prisma crane]

im just gonna have to wait for mental inputs so that i can just leave my hands in my pants

the real future of gaming

exactly

[uneven mason]

You've gotta embrace warrior to play optimally

[warm plinth]

should probably keep the foot pedal though, need to keep the 👢 🍵 👏 alive

[prisma crane]

no way, gotta still be able to fidget

[raven hatch]

is all totem good for prot?

[warm plinth]

that's what the other foot is for

[raven hatch]

good enough not to give it to my heroic raiding tank 😛 ?

[quiet monolith]

i crafted lariat, and mostly play prot / fury. i have a 402 1h, 384 shield, and two 395 2h weps

[raven hatch]

eesh

[quiet monolith]

if i wanted to craft

[raven hatch]

probably going to keep then as i'm using puzzle box atmx XD

[quiet monolith]

what would yopu suggest?

shield? frostfire belt?

[chrome falcon]

rank 13 on terros

becoming less washed

[tired pivot]

do you have raid rings

[quiet monolith]

i do not

2 sparks avail

[tired pivot]

frostfire is great for that if you ever plan on getting them

[quiet monolith]

my hope was to eventually get them, as I think frostfire belt+ring will work in both my dps and my tank setup

and my current belt is 384

[tired pivot]

my crafts are wrists(embellish), lariat and shield

shield will only get replaced by 20 vault

so it was a no brainer for me for the first couple weeks

[quiet monolith]

yea, it just isn't helpful when im dpsing

was trying to run the line

[winter ridge]

Anyone know the lowest APM tanks right now? My fingers hurt after failing 3 dungeons with warrior...think its time for a change

[tired pivot]

I had to prio tier set in vault since I only raid in pugs

so shield craft was massive

[tired pivot]

play druid

you macro your damage to 1 button

and keep up steelskin and w/e it is they do

[sick current]

which ring should i craft boys? :3

[tropic tangle]

ring?

[tired pivot]

don't craft ring

[urban portal]

most tanks are fairly high apm

[sick current]

meh idk what else to craft, i have a good bracer, good shield, 418 sword, 418 neck

i have a 343 ilvl ring

tho

[wraith onyx]

anyone know the PPM of all-totem trinket

[tired pivot]

every spec is high apm atm

[urban portal]

brew doesnt stack haste

so theres that

bear can use the forbidden macro

[tired pivot]

bear only has 1 button, so even if apm is high, you only spam 1 button

[urban portal]

yep

[winter ridge]

damn...maybe im done tanking this season 😦

[tired pivot]

every spec in the game has high apm

[tropic tangle]

DPS prob isn't any better

[tired pivot]

so you might want to skip this expansion

[sick current]

bear also SUCKS lol... really bad. i quit my bear at 2200 io score because I would fall over in 3 seconds.. swapped to a warrior 6 days ago, already 2300 io now

warrior is the most fun class ive played in wow in about 8 years, since vanilla wow i never touched a warrior

only in hearthstone :3

[tired pivot]

I assume that, my man who is asking for a low apm tank, isn't playing at a mid-level

[sick current]

now im a warrior main!

[tired pivot]

I kinda want to play dk

[quaint quarry]

Good switch

[winter ridge]

just shooting for KSM honestly

[tired pivot]

but I invested too much into warrior

[sick current]

dk seems nice, but warrior is just untouchable

[tired pivot]

dk is top tier

[sick current]

our healthbar doesnt move, we are like 1punchman

[tired pivot]

as good as warr

it is better in some scenarios too

[quaint quarry]

I'm sitting on 2500 io warrior, working on the dk he's only 1700 😦

[urban portal]

can just play some caster

lemme send you the apm list

[tired pivot]

your hp bar doesn't move? I want your powers

[urban portal]

evoker is sitting at a chill 36

[sick current]

it doesn't lol, rarely. anything +17 or lower my hp bar barely moves

[tired pivot]

oh, I mean, 17 and bellow doesn't really do damage to tanks

[sick current]

it does to druids

[visual musk]

yea my bear gets worked

[tired pivot]

druids be paper out of incarn

[sick current]

go watch a druid fortified ruby life pools run on youtube. they FALL over

i only had druid to use as a sample lol

i hate the jade serpent strike

[tired pivot]

wdym

is that a losing damage uptime joke

[raven hatch]

last stand victory rush, healthstone health pot... and then other than that I just treat it as a healer mechanic

my job is to not get hit by sopmething extra

[tired pivot]

so long as you use shield wall

your job is done

[sick current]

so you guys telling me not to craft a ring, what are you guys going to craft next week? with your new spark?

[tired pivot]

you can't deal with it even if the boss gets stunned

wdym

it puts up an absorb the size of your health bar

how are you healing that up with rage

[tropic tangle]

you could do frostfire belt in anticipation of getting eranog ring? unless you already have double embellish

[sick current]

ahhh okay

i dont have double embellish

[tropic tangle]

idk, ring is just the least useful

[tired pivot]

I went for wrists, those are really good as well

[tropic tangle]

it has 0 primary stat budget

[tired pivot]

vers is just top tier

[sick current]

yeah im thinking about the wrists

the problem is i have 411 wrists atm, but i have a 343 ring

[tired pivot]

my man, I don't know if you could heal it up on a 10

[tropic tangle]

what ilvl shield you have? 415?

[sick current]

maybe i do ring this week, and wrists next week

lol

[winter ridge]

@urban portal thanks...DK looking pretty sexy at the bottom...think its time for me to embrace my inner edgelord

[tired pivot]

I have never done a 10 or bellow jade serpent kick

[sick current]

my shield is bad, maybe i get a shield?

[tired pivot]

so I can't say exactly

[sick current]

my shield is 392

[tropic tangle]

you said at first your shield was good

shield for sure

[sick current]

i think i mis spoke*

[tropic tangle]

not even a question

[tulip kelp]

My luck.. 2 tier chest drop and only 3 people can roll.. I lose both lmao

[sick current]

okay but should i put an embellishment on the shield, or should i save it for the vers wrists?

[tired pivot]

16/17 is absolutely too high to ever heal it off with leech

wdym

you can IV after she applies it

that is the best you can do with being in range

[tropic tangle]

your call, wrists give the vers thing and that's unique to the wrists

[prisma crane]

ngl i hate that IV costs rage

[sick current]

yeah i like the vers thing bc im doing m+ mostlyu

[tired pivot]

the 10k hp you would heal up at your best with the leech does fuck all

[tropic tangle]

otherwise you can put on armoar spike or w/e for more damage

[sturdy sable]

I always forget that it does

[bitter oar]

What buff should i take as prot warry in Academy?

[prisma crane]

same, until it's gray when i need it lol

[prisma crane]

haste

[sick current]

what does a shield provide as a warrior other than just the raw stats? does it increase other things having a better one?

[prisma crane]

armor, it's kinda a big deal

[tired pivot]

of course, overall leech is good

[tropic tangle]

raw armor, block value, stats

[tired pivot]

it's burst healing is an absolute joke

[prisma crane]

not to mention that now armor gives us more str too

[tired pivot]

what is indom again?

[prisma crane]

heal 1% per 10 rage spent

[median tulip]

Block Value

[tired pivot]

ah right

yeah, that does fuck all nothing for the burst damage you are taking

I might be overestimating 16s a bit

I always get trucked by the hit when I run that dungeon

[prisma crane]

LS can heal you as well

[chilly brook]

block value

[modern brook]

block Value

[chilly brook]

nothing else gear wise provides it

it's huge

[prisma crane]

not to mention, albeit small, but the buff to indom heals

[tired pivot]

idk man, as soon as you get to 18 already, you will forget about those troubles

16s must be a fuckfest rn

I am having people fail basic shit in my 20s

your health bar becomes red all over

and it stays red after IV

[slim dove]

16s are harder then 17s

all the tards do 16s for primals

[modern brook]

T-T

i do 16s for primals

[tired pivot]

I usually have to use at least one of my big heals per jade kick

with shield wall to supplement the damage reduction from dot going through

capped IP ofc

dbm

you mean the mini boss

[meager crescent]

What is HR?

[tired pivot]

my man

you need to up 1 setting

[modern brook]

Heavy repercussions

[tired pivot]

I know my premade dh had that problem

[fickle bear]

Guys RLP 18+ the magic dmg income is extreme, how do you time the cds?

[modern brook]

this one @meager crescent

[novel swift]

Looking to use a spark on a crafted shield, which one should i be going for guys?

[meager crescent]

Oh okay. Thank you

[tired pivot]

up your particle density

particle density to max and projected textures enabled

are the 2 mandatory settings

projected textures are the swirlys

[prisma crane]

tards unite!

[tulip oar]

Was doing an 18 Jade today, pugs lusted off the rip. Than p2 hit and they just took forever to get it through it. I ran out of cool downs for the serpent strikes.

[tired pivot]

particle density will show you the frontals and other fairly poorly visible things

[modern brook]

primal molten defender, haste crit or haste verse your choice it truly doesnt matter

no embelish needed

[tired pivot]

haste vers is the better option

it is better into everything

[tulip oar]

I need more haste >.<

19% is not enough

[tired pivot]

I mean that as in it is still good on aoe

while winning out on boss weeks more than crit

[ebon elk]

My pugs are still wiping on tree boss in AA (+15).. why is it so hard to stack and follow me clockwise? I call it out before every engagement and still 80% of dps just ignore it, or run like 5 feet ahead of me so that i'm getting knocked up.

[tired pivot]

just the more "basic" better

[errant wagon]

Hey guys.
I'm trying to understand Boss 2 of Jade. This was a 15 Tyrannical key and Strife/peril were hitting me like a truck. Had one wipe, got through it on the next. But you can just see from this damage taken chart that this boss fight overwhemingly did the most damage throughout the dungeon.
Healer and I were struggling to keep up defensive rotations to withhold the damage.
Is there something I'm missing about this fight that I'm not doing correctly?
The "agony" cast the boss is supposed to do is supposedly random on the whole team, but they were exclusively casting it on ME, the tank, the entire time and no one else....
Thoughts?

[modern brook]

im 90% sure crit is more damage on ST w/ the crit talents but i cba'd enough on the difference to pretend to argue

[tired pivot]

I can go through that boss with you in dm's

[tulip oar]

Your idiot dps were beating on the wrong one and boosting it's damage.

[modern brook]

^ yeah that

[tired pivot]

vers is the better defensive stat on yra

[errant wagon]

Care to explain what the right thing is? haha

[prisma crane]

when are you swapping bosses? ideally its around every 3 stacks, but most groups go to about 7-8, if you do this you want to periodically hit the other one just to keep the other stacks it gains from building when not on it too long

[fickle bear]

Guys RLP 18+ the magic dmg income is extreme, how do you time the cds? Feels like too much (first boss)

[ebon elk]

You know about the trading stacks/swapping bosses?

[tulip oar]

The NPC, put a marker on his head and follow his targets.

[modern brook]

the fight is TL;DR'd into ST one down until 5or 6 stacks then swap, rince repeat

[errant wagon]

haha okay that was a lot of feedback fast

I got some stuff to work off of thanks

[ebon elk]

if DPS are doing AOE it will keep stacks on both bosses

[tired pivot]

don't forget

you can spell reflect those agony casts

[prisma crane]

there's 2 sets of stacks on that boss btw

[errant wagon]

Correct

[tired pivot]

and they always go on tank

[tulip oar]

Yes

[tired pivot]

spell reflecting the high stacked agony is really good for your hp and damage

[errant wagon]

I spell reflected what I could, but can only click the button so much 😛

I think the answer is we weren't doing the stacking/swapping correctly. We were building to 10 stacks then swapping

so seems like a pretty cut and dry answer

[tired pivot]

10 is fine on a 15

[novel swift]

thx @modern brook

[errant wagon]

well I guess not at our skill level

[modern brook]

you can narrow the log down to the fight length

and actually compare them

[tired pivot]

that is the strat I did on 19-20 last week

[modern brook]

assuming we had @errant wagon 's log

[ebon elk]

IDK how you get to a +15 and people dont know how to do the fight

That baffles me lol

[prisma crane]

if you're going to go to 10 stacks, make sure you hit the other boss around stack 3 and 7

just once

to remove the second stacks

[errant wagon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L1By2hnRg9faNKkD/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=77 the log

[tired pivot]

my man, I 2 chested a 14 not knowing what the entire dungeon did

[errant wagon]

idk we timed it still yolo baby

[tired pivot]

I was just told what to pull

[prisma crane]

those numbers mean nothing, not all groups are the same

[ebon elk]

lol

[tired pivot]

ofc not

but the dude was wondering how you can do 15 without knowing the dungeon

and it is not all that weird

[meager crescent]

Do you guys ever multi pull the packs before final boss on jade?

[tired pivot]

no

[ebon elk]

not knowing dungeon and not knowing primary boss mechanics on tyranical are kinda 2 different thins IMO though

[prisma crane]

typically happens when ppl who get gear from raids do dungeons

[tired pivot]

I don't know if even the top groups do

[tired pivot]

I had no idea what bosses did either

[errant wagon]

The issue is we "thought" we understood it, but clearly we didn't because we struggled. So we are now looking for aid, like I am now 🙂

[tired pivot]

I just did as I was told

[prisma crane]

well, nerftank is about do a TJS, so perhaps can learn something from that run

[uneven mason]

That last pack in jade on fortified is just pure colon cancer

[tired pivot]

you are fine going to 10

keep cd's for 6+ stacks

pass the buff to healer

[meager crescent]

Idk jade gave me trust issues with people not helping kick things

[errant wagon]

Ok 👍

[tired pivot]

this is important

someone will get a buff on them, it is very visible

they have to walk over the healer to pass it on

[prisma crane]

fwiw i do learn a lot watching others do something too, definitely worth checking out some of the top groups, even if not from a tank perspective

[errant wagon]

Appreciate the feedback, I'll go find some runs right now sounds like a good idea

[prisma crane]

like is said before, Nerftank is about to do a run, it's a 24 TJS

[tired pivot]

are you having trouble with last pack of the dungeon?

[prisma crane]

going to be spicy

[tired pivot]

take the spell block talent

it will trivialize it

the whole last area honestly

3rd and 4th bosses

[errant wagon]

ruh roh

Suppose I'll make my weak aura more annoying.
And yea I have no health pots yet ha

thank you

[tired pivot]

use health pot on cd, and don't let anyone put down your addiction

[errant wagon]

2-3? really?

[tired pivot]

3 is insane

but 2 defo

[errant wagon]

I don't believe you can do 3 haha

ok but point taken yes

[lusty narwhal]

I just got 395 tier gloves from normal vault, is it worth replacing my current 415 gloves to get 4 piece? or should i just give gloves to my monk friend for his 3 piece?

[errant wagon]

I am holding defensives way too much

[prisma crane]

you might but its rough, you dont typically need to hit SW that fast

but with AM you want to use SW often

our CDs are all relatively short

[tired pivot]

you mean raid? 4 set is not that big

I would not kill ilvl for it

[lusty narwhal]

ok

[errant wagon]

Ty all for the analysis, big appreciate

[lusty narwhal]

ill just give to monk friend for his 3rd piece then

[tired pivot]

I will however do lfr to get myself the 2nd piece of the set tomorrow

refused to take it in vault over 421 head with socket

[sick sentinel]

i'm running spell block at all times now for probably until catalyst comes ou t

i like the magic damage answer it gives

[tired pivot]

I am just keeping it up always as well

well

[slim dove]

is your monk dps and in your m+ team?

[tired pivot]

not in nokhud

[lusty narwhal]

@slim dove yes and yes

[slim dove]

tier more important for dps in all scenarios pre much.

monk 4 piece is cracked also iirc

[lusty narwhal]

ill just hold out for tier helm then

[tired pivot]

I would not give away my 2set

[lusty narwhal]

since my non set helm is also 398

[tired pivot]

but 4set is kinda mid

it is not

boomkin is unplayable without tier set

[slim dove]

its not 30% but it legit makes the spec function.

[tired pivot]

boomkins with 4piece can actually pump massive dps in m+

[slim dove]

i believe the surge/fall gets a 30% dmg buff though

[tired pivot]

without 4piece they are dogwater

[slim dove]

when they eclipse.

So thats probably what hes referring to

[prisma crane]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/druid/balance/tier_set/castingpatchwerk

it's a pretty big jump for them

[mellow quartz]

just did COS last boss

talk abt a joke now

like wtf

[prisma crane]

compare that to others and yea their 4p is huge

[mellow quartz]

aoe does 0 damage

[tired pivot]

what level was that CoS?

[uneven mason]

Sounds like another free key

[craggy pilot]

how "worth" is it to pick legs in vault? 🤔 wont i pick tier legs soon anyway

[tired pivot]

I am super curious because I didn't do CoS yet this week

[mellow quartz]

just a random 19 only

[tired pivot]

neat

I can stop avoiding hunters in that key

[slim dove]

its really quite a joke now

aoe does 0 dmg

[mighty sand]

The pins/wowhead guide don't mention lariat or bracers of companionship as recommended embellishments. If I'm thinking of transitioning main spec from fury to prot, how much will having these two hurt me? Seems like they'll be alright. I do mostly M+

[mellow quartz]

COS is easier than smbg now

[slim dove]

you can catalyst those legs to tier in 2 weeks.

[craggy pilot]

ohh thats true

[uneven mason]

This

[tired pivot]

jesus

well, at least we have 2 free keys for resetting our keys

[uneven mason]

Now if they could fix smoldering

In rlp

[tired pivot]

2nd boss still fucks

[uneven mason]

Right

[tired pivot]

did a 19 earlier

[uneven mason]

The bleed combo

[tired pivot]

the 2nd boss was making me sweat

[mellow quartz]

as a tank?

[tired pivot]

yeah

[mellow quartz]

there is like 0 tank damage

[uneven mason]

You've gotta pump ip for the duration

[tired pivot]

what do you mean

the dot fucks

[slim dove]

he means rlp second boss.

[mellow quartz]

ahh