protection

[dire matrix]

yeah ik for 2nd

[dusky grove]

Is Diurna "very rare" ring (Haste Mastery in 418) worthy over the CoS Chest (Critical Haste in 421) ? I have good 402 in both slot and no tier set

[craggy pilot]

each reflect is like 250k on +16

[dire matrix]

is reflect dmg scaled by the orbs

[bronze delta]

but I still don't know how to survive 3rd boss of Temple ... feel like I can't even make this dungon on Tyranical x.x

[stark garnet]

What can prot do to proc seal of diurna's chosen?

[dire matrix]

big healz 😄

frostfire belt

didnt know dragonstrike was reflectable

nice to know

[limpid anchor]

Healer needs to heal

And use pots cds

[craggy pilot]

what do you die to?

[dire matrix]

with 2 warriors you can reflect conductive and lighting strike

for huge dmg

[silver tapir]

damn, this week's vault was difficult to choose..

[slender blade]

Victory rush can make a huge difference on every other, you can just shield wall Last Stand and health pot/healthstone for the inbetweens

[craggy pilot]

3 prot warriors rotating Reflect on that boss 😄

[blazing condor]

you need to rotate a lot of defensive CDs and pray your healer is good. Spell block, Spell reflect Shield wall, Last stand, Impending Victory

etc etc

[bronze delta]

I can wall 1st strike - survive 2nd with Last Stand - but on 3rd felt out of options

[sick sentinel]

do people not run impending victory i wonder

[blazing condor]

stupid not to

[dire matrix]

health pot

victory

external

[bronze delta]

died few sec after strike even with Spell Block

[ionic fern]

Healer job.

[limpid anchor]

Spell block. Sr , health stone / pot, iv, wall, ls, healer, externals

[craggy pilot]

just say "shit healer"

and /leave

[limpid anchor]

Got a lot of shit

[dire matrix]

press ur buttons

get healed

[sick sentinel]

walock healthstone +5% every ~20 seconds

[limpid anchor]

What

[sick sentinel]

sound good to me

you can often snag a killing blow and its cd is reset

[slender blade]

he meants VR is a healthstone every so often

[sick sentinel]

so its closer to 20s cd lots of times, not always

[sudden gazelle]

Do we get a fourth spark this week?

[jagged pier]

no

[sick sentinel]

warlock healthstone is 25% max hp, impending is 30% thus hs + 5%

[somber sky]

take it this way. New spark every fort week.

[blazing condor]

fortnight

[sick sentinel]

warkock topkek mispellings

[somber sky]

new hogwarts nerfs made that dungeon so much more sufferable. From being unable to kill +16 tree to near 2 chesting 19. >.>

[blazing condor]

every dungeon this rotation is worse on tyrannical

[slender blade]

the dungeon changes actually feel real good, i think the blizz devs identified a lot of pain points and made a lot of them better

[sick sentinel]

dungeons are worse on tyranical bcuz then blizzard adds some shit so its like we have fort anyway (raging) but the bosses still potential to 1 shot

[ionic fern]

That sounds..like a whole other issue.

[limpid anchor]

All those pain points were already known in beta

But they didn’t change shit

[sick sentinel]

damned if you do, damned if you dont

[blazing condor]

id rather have dungeons be too easy than too hard

[slender blade]

You are right the best time to change things was then the second best time was today

[somber sky]

it's almost asif there was a bottleneck that was fixed. That's what I'm getting at xD

[ionic fern]

No, i mean..if you couldn't time a +16

[blazing condor]

damn

harsh

[solemn island]

so boys im in a bit of a iffy

[subtle owl]

Hi guys! Is there any chances someone could helm me to choose my trinkets ?

Blazebinder's hoof 392
decoration of flame 402
Burgeoning seed 392
All-totem of the master 395

Doing mostly m+

[sick sentinel]

uh oh

[solemn island]

421 haste vers ring vs op trinket

[somber sky]

well the group was disbanding after all 3 dps instantly dying to the first add spawn because they could never clear their bleed debuffs

[solemn island]

vs set gloves(dont care that much about those) , any opinions ?

my first guess would be 421 ring tbh , but the trinket is gonna be really hard to get imo

[sick sentinel]

i have have virtually never in df had to leave a dungeon or key

i left timewalking trains cuz fuck mortar

[somber sky]

you haven't had the misfortune of playing with ragnaros/azralon/quel'thalas pugs

[ionic fern]

Flame+all totem

[lilac jay]

i think so many got the ring on exact that spot lol. i also got that finger 421 vs. rumbling ruby 402

[sick sentinel]

or elitist crybabies from us servers hahaha

[somber sky]

my first ever +10 of the xpac, azralon puggy rolls way past me into a pack, dies, leaves group.

[subtle owl]

Thanks !

[tribal minnow]

do we loot vault in prot or fury/arms?

[sick sentinel]

and i onky had one group tell me equivalnt of "go kill yourself uninstall the game and never tank again"

[buoyant narwhal]

Does anyone have a WA that reminds u when u can reflect a spell by any chance?

[slender blade]

Prot if you don't have a shield probably

[sick sentinel]

cuz we missed timer on 8 not gud i believe itwas

[somber sky]

is asking someone to not play floorspec every pull of the dungeon an elitist move? :0

or use any form of cc

[solemn island]

you can get the dungeons tank pack wich will tell u if ur targeted

[subtle owl]

And if i have a shield, it is recommended to loot in other specs?

[tribal minnow]

have a shield, just thinking grieftorch

[slender blade]

I would go fury then

[slender blade]

Pretty much yes

[subtle owl]

Why ?

[sick sentinel]

i take those refelect auras and put a sound atached to it so it makes a noise like banana peel slip

[sick sentinel]

ayyeee mi cabezo

[sudden gazelle]

20ilvl upgrade to non-tier chest or 13ilvl upgrade to upgradable tier head?

[slender blade]

I could be absolutely wrong so someone chime in if yes, but a lot of the DPS trinkets are good for us right now as we could use more damage, but it depends of course. I would open in fury because i prioritize damage, but I am not the one opening your vault. You could get a fury Two-hander in fury so it is a risk but worth it to me

[silver tapir]

Hey guys, so today was a difficult choice to make for me in vault (maybe easy for some of you)... So I just wanna hear your opinions on this one, which one should I take? (Don't mind my paint skills)

[somber sky]

dungeon tanking trinkets are also pretty meh iirc

[uncut notch]

id go chest, biggest stat budget and huge ilvl upgrade

[somber sky]

the rat in me always wants to sim as dps 5target patchwerk

because prot is just innately tanky

[buoyant narwhal]

thanks, i had a look and just couldnt find it, maybe im filtering the search wrong

[silver tapir]

That's what I thought too! but again, what if I get a tier chest 😛 then its buhbye

and weapon is not the best stats tbh

[eager phoenix]

weapon you can also craft next round of spark (next week) and cloaks everyone in your m+ runs could potentially trade any given time @silver tapir chest seems like a sound choice

[uncut notch]

Cross that bridge when you come to it

[slender blade]

the push is worth the squeeze

[steady steppe]

I tried one yesterday where I got kicked on kurog for dying because other tank didn't taunt swap

[royal coral]

Think that’s best mythic plus chest u can get

Least one I was looking at

[median tulip]

Ultimately you want to be using the other 4 tier pieces and a Chest like that one with Haste on it

[eager phoenix]

m+ chest can be converted to tier when catalyst comes, its not that far away

[wind vigil]

Hey guys im thinking about rolling a prot hows the state of the spec?

[uncut notch]

bad tanks dont die, they kill their OT

[somber sky]

[uncut notch]

garbage

dumpster tier

[limpid anchor]

Dh is better

[somber sky]

unsubbed, uninstalled, refunded, touched grass.

[slender blade]

Dh way better

[silver tapir]

Alright, the people have spoken! Chest it is (I was also wondering about chest cuz its huuuge upgrade stat wise) Thx guys

[wind vigil]

Idk if youre trolling 😂

[sick sentinel]

seeya after next 3 minute cinematic containing (subject's favorite character here)

[tropic gorge]

I snagged m+ upgrade tier last night in my vault. I didn't know that was a thing

[ionic fern]

Any spec is always fine.
Just play what you enjoy the most.

[tropic gorge]

Are the set bonuses and such the same with raid tier and m+ upgrade tier?

[somber sky]

[royal coral]

Yea

[sick sentinel]

big mom energy

[somber sky]

[full violet]

So, would you guys prefer 421 Set Pants or 421 Weap with Haste/Vers. Already have Shoulder and Chest 415 Set tho

[slender blade]

those are some nice options, that was great luck

[somber sky]

can be a rat and run raid before collecting 1 tier item to complete 4p OR get weapon and gigablast perma without having to spend spark on weapon.

you can craft shield instead then Pog

[craggy pilot]

whats peoples FAVORITE weapon for Ravager looking hella cool?

[full violet]

True, still cant decide 😄

[somber sky]

anything that can make it less visible as I don't want to die to mechanics below it

[craggy pilot]

that doesnt sound cool

i want it to look hella sick

[somber sky]

:3

[scenic vector]

Hey guys, as someone who plays mostly fury but sometimes tanks, I have a 405 horn of valour in my vault, I also have a 402 2h weapon with leach which is a 1% upgrade. Is the trinket any good for tanks? Is it worth taking over the 2h?

The trinket is a big ilevel upgrade but purely for dps purposes it’s not an upgrade over my current trinkets

[crude dust]

its decent, but not great what other trinkets do you have as a tank?

[scenic vector]

Straight trash, realistically I think I just take the weapon and set my loot spec to prot for the dungeons with good tank trinkets till I get a few

[marble cipher]

"dungeons with good tank trinkets" 🤔

(spoiler, there are none, or barely any, from dungeons)

[sick sentinel]

tank trinkets are mostly a trap

[crude dust]

The Nokhud trinket is quite solid

[sudden gazelle]

Lads i need vault guidance! Which one to choose? Currently im 2/5 tier, the head would bring me closer and it would be upgradeable. But the chest is super big upgrade.

[sick sentinel]

its not thwy are bad, just not good

[craggy pilot]

its more like "we dont need tank trinkets"

so they are not good

DPS trinkets better

[limpid anchor]

No tank needs them tho

[sick sentinel]

oh my lord these horrible vault screenshots

[scenic vector]

Well I’ll pray 🙏 no shot I’m given tank trinkets in raid. But I’ll see what I can do

[sudden gazelle]

yeah its not a great SS 😄

[sick sentinel]

i can respect if a tank wants to wear tank specific defensive trinket

[limpid anchor]

Nah they are pussies

Not respectable

[sick sentinel]

i think 1 trinket like that is probably fine to hwve equipped, 2 defensive trinkets equipped as tank, stop thats illegal

5 star wanted level if 2 tank on use defensive trinkets

[scenic vector]

Oh I don’t have to wear tank trinkets? I ain’t no pussy, I’d rather pump dps and let my healer suffer(I’m kidding I love my healers)

[sick sentinel]

go uninstall play hello kitty island adventure at that point.

[scenic vector]

Okay, yolo, time to tank with my big toe and smash some big crits

[limpid anchor]

There’s just no need. Tank trinkets have a low value

Only decent ones were the cheat death trinkets from SL

[scenic vector]

Awesome! Still terrified to tank bigger keys since I don’t know optimal routes but I’ll keep this in mind

[sharp bone]

scale, rdm and the other one from sod would like a word

[limpid anchor]

Rdm?

[jagged pier]

they were the bad ones

[sharp bone]

reactive defense matrix

[limpid anchor]

Scale was good

[ionic fern]

Scale/Aegis/RDM were ok.

[sick sentinel]

i have advice for the new tank, gigachad hold w until the dungeomn completes in time

[limpid anchor]

Yea but at least they had a value

[jagged pier]

i didnt equip scale more than 10 times the whole exapnsion

[sick sentinel]

thats literal all u have to do rn

[sharp bone]

they only have value if you play bad

[limpid anchor]

Yea that’s why you don’t run 20s

[ionic fern]

I used it for the majority of the expansion since no other trinkets.

[jagged pier]

and ageis stopping damage for 8 secs every minute and half didnt?

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

thats more value

than a 6min cheat deathtrinket

[limpid anchor]

Didn’t play during that :<

[jagged pier]

that may or may not be procced

[sick sentinel]

who asked though lol

[weak wraith]

Hello I just got around ilv 385 and want to start trying to tank on my warrior any tips for this xpack haven't tried tanking since legion

[ionic fern]

Tanking never changes.
Learn the class.
Learn the routes/encounters.
Profit.

[sick sentinel]

press more buttons basically

[marble cipher]

This expansion/season more than anything is the easiest to get into tanking, no route knowledge required at all. You'll start thinking of optimizing routes well beyond the scope of 18-20+ keys. And even then there are certain dungeons where "press W" will still be a very viable route to take

[sick sentinel]

thats how you win at this game press all the buttons all of the time

[marble cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/faceroll-keyboard-cant-even-tech-support-gif-20234453

[jagged pier]

do we have to learn route tho because dps in pugs last week kept advising me on how to pull HoV and then told me i was wrong when i said u get 16% from the adds at teh end

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-13416222

[ionic fern]

[marble cipher]

....

[jagged pier]

i mean

[heavy warren]

Guys important question here:
On 3rd boss of TJS when the jade strikes, how can I do it without being obliterated?

[jagged pier]

we did my route

and got 100% on the dot

[sick sentinel]

my hov route is perfect now

[jagged pier]

but they kept telling me i was wrong

[ionic fern]

1)Defensive
2)Healthpot/IV/LS
3)Healer problem.

[marble cipher]

and then surely they all went "oh sorry tank, you knew what you were doing"

suuuuuurely......

[jagged pier]

double SW and spell block

healer problem

IV and pots

[sick sentinel]

ill never need to worry about doing hov ever except final boss

odyn is cancer

[blazing condor]

i did the AV route yesterday where you jump from the first ring down to before 2nd boss

[heavy warren]

Healer problem fits me

[blazing condor]

3 people missed

[sick sentinel]

as he should be

[heavy warren]

Just depleted a 15 because he couldn't top me after that with SB and refect

[jagged pier]

well that doesnt really help the heal absorb at all

you could have done a lot more to help than just SR

[heavy warren]

Also using heal pots and last stand

[sick sentinel]

i am starting to be convinced that spell block is the correct way

[craggy pilot]

wtf is the strat for Nitrogg Thundertower? 🤣

[sick sentinel]

it just makes magic damge so much easier to takee

[jagged pier]

yer u dont do it in pugs

[blazing condor]

wanted to try it cus why not

i dont have friends to push with

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

5 prot warrior group when.

[craggy pilot]

5 prot nokhud

[sick sentinel]

i do pika routes these days

[jagged pier]

true

[marble cipher]

Spell Block is up for 20s, those hits (TJS 3rd boss) are more than 20s apart I assume? So can't pop one late to mitigate two strikes?

[heavy warren]

That could actually work o.o

[meager crescent]

@blazing condor just say follow me if you want to live and charge headlong into battle. Got me to 17-18s so far

[ionic fern]

Always has and always will.

[jagged pier]

but need @sweet summit and @strong forum not to be dead

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[heavy warren]

I have to perfectly time it

[marble cipher]

Another spell block question, if you already have shield block up, and then press spell block, that counts right? It's not like you have to use a new shield block after spell block to make sure that it now also blocks spells?

[sick sentinel]

i just like spell block in general and not for any thing specific

oh your casting firebolts, fuck you

spell block

[jagged pier]

u have to use it to block spells

its not a passive

[blazing condor]

its not connected to shield block

[marble cipher]

I know, but, spell block makes your shield block now also block spells, or am I mistaken there? can you block spells with only spell block up, no need for shield block?

[jagged pier]

u can

but its not 100% chance

its like 30%

[fallow nova]

Spell block is it's own individual cooldown

[jagged pier]

based on the block from your shield

[fallow nova]

It's not like the paladin talent that just passively changes what you can block

[jagged pier]

i dunno i have SB up all the time and havent read the talent in a long time

might require SB

🤷

[light moth]

Hello Guys, it's more worth getting the shield even if it only improves me by 3 ilvl or tier pieces (I don't have any)

[marble cipher]

Again, I know, but I must be asking my question wrong I'm sure. No worries though, I'll just play with it some more this week and will learn the ins and outs that way 😉

[jagged pier]

sheild

unless u kill broodkeeper mythic u cant get a higher shield

[sick sentinel]

im just happy i nowhave a viable way to deal with magic dmg rather than put head between legs pray and kiss my ass goodbye cuz i aint got sw reflect or rage for ip

[limpid anchor]

No rage for ip?

[jagged pier]

its yogi

[limpid anchor]

We get so much :)

[jagged pier]

he never played correctly

he was praying on his healer

[sick sentinel]

im so divided... idk

[jagged pier]

[limpid anchor]

Isn’t that haste vers cloak

[sick sentinel]

already did, still divided

it is

[pseudo pebble]

i havent found any info about this - is it still worth to farm cobalt assembly ring after you level up? are there any comparisons how good are they vs other rings?

[jagged pier]

no shot the trinkets sim less than the helm

[limpid anchor]

Then I wold just take the cape and be done with that slot

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

i can redo

I mean tier you can get from raids, and that tier on vault its not even m+ tier so cant upgrade.
Trinkets are looking bonkers. I have a max level m+ cape already also

[jagged pier]

blzehoof should be far better than ither of those trinkets

[fallow nova]

I don't think using SB boosts spell block as the tooltip specifically mentions blocking all melee against you, not increasing your block chance to 100% (which would probably carry over into spell block's effect)

That could just be a rewording on their part though, so it's worth testing imo

[sick sentinel]

@jagged pier did i sim wrong?

[jagged pier]

I dont think so but its do u want tier or a trinket thats higher that u can get from a dungeon drop and upgrading that is a 400 dps difference overall so getting a tier set which u probably cant have up all the time

personally as catalyst is coming i would take blazehoof

[sick sentinel]

that was my thinking also

By any chance

do you need if blazehoof procs my ring?

Seal of Filial Duty

40k obs shield for 6sec

[jagged pier]

i mean u need fire damage

frostfire is the best way

[deep spruce]

Does fire damage, dont see why it wouldnt

[sick sentinel]

hence my question

Im running lariat + weapon encht swing

[lyric geode]

Guys

One question

Stormbolt seems quite odd, sometimes it works

sometimes it doesnt

[deep spruce]

Thats what i had also, but switched to cooking embellishment on weapon instead, and got the frostfire belt crafted for guaranteed ring procs

only time it wouldnt work would be if mob was stun immune, or DR'd

[regal bramble]

https://gyazo.com/cb4b9d40b4d2c3440edc538fa9a5742f

[sick sentinel]

thing is, blazehoof does fire damage

[regal bramble]

is this worth equiping for 2 set

[sick sentinel]

So should proc, no ?

[tawny maple]

2 min cd

[lyric geode]

yes

[deep spruce]

yes, but on a cd

[regal bramble]

even with all the stat loss

[tawny maple]

belt > wep embellish

[regal bramble]

?

[lyric geode]

I believe so

Unless we are talking about 389->421

[deep spruce]

Dont take anything until you've cleared whatever level of raid u can this week

[regal bramble]

I took 421 chest set, since we wont be clearing kurog anytime soon

and i got the hands in bag from last week

so i wonder if its worth equipping 408 instead of the 421 just for 2 set

[sick sentinel]

so much hate

[tawny maple]

probably but only way to know is to sim

[regal bramble]

Okay so sim both patchwerk and hectic add cleave

[sterile bough]

which party of tier sets have worst alternative in m+ gear?

[lyric geode]

Yogi, which of the 3 should I take?

I am more inclined to the boots

because it increase my speed

which is a nitch parity buff

[sterile bough]

speed increase

[sick sentinel]

well i never play correctly

so, i'll leave it to someone who does to answer your question

[sterile bough]

all these ilvl are not cap so just sim it

[lyric geode]

I have 12% speed to be fair

More speed = more weirdness

[sick sentinel]

just go for ilvl for now buddy

[lyric geode]

I was thinking

[sick sentinel]

can't lose with more str and more secondaries

[lyric geode]

I should go for the tokens

And put a socket in my cobalt ring

[sweet summit]

[lyric geode]

IT is so mediocre my loot box

I will pass this week

[sick sentinel]

socket items cannot be used on jewellery

check the vendor beside you for more detials

[lyric geode]

?

[sick sentinel]

the guy beside vault, is a vendor

[sick sentinel]

and he only sells 2 items

yeah

read it

cant be used on ring

[lyric geode]

Can it? I am confused

[sick sentinel]

oh, WTF, i didnt read that correct at all

[lyric geode]

Season 1 items isnt the cobalt?

[sick sentinel]

CAN be used on it, i thought it was another generic cant do that message

[lyric geode]

[sick sentinel]

okay, your correct, im the stupid one in this scenario

[lyric geode]

I am quite doubtful

Is cobalt ring a season 1 ring?

or it isnt?

[sick sentinel]

its not

very hard X to doubt on that

[lyric geode]

Lets find out

[royal coral]

It was obtainable before season 1

So not a S1 item

[lyric geode]

You were 50-50

[tawny maple]

Taking shield ring

Smh

[craggy pilot]

what trinkets are better from raid? 🤔
Arms loot spec trinkets, or Prot loot spec trinkets?

just about to open my 5 Timewalking thing

[dark prairie]

rumbling ruby or static charged scale for tanking? 402 vs 395

[tawny maple]

Tank trinkets poop

[limpid anchor]

Isn’t that int

Or does the cobalt ring sim better than 415 / 421 rings

[lyric geode]

?

[royal coral]

I crafted shield, haven’t been in tank loot spec since

[limpid anchor]

Also why use the def ring and not the dmg one

[lyric geode]

It is on par with 421 rings as far as I am informed

[tawdry dirge]

how does the spellblock talent actually work

do we need to have SB up to block

or just activate the talent ?

[lofty widget]

spellblock lets you block spells, with SB up your chance to block is 100 %

[stark jewel]

hi guys, is it possible to remove an embellishment from a crafted item through a recrafting order?

[solid holly]

Does anyone know how well the Burgeoning Seed trinket performs in dungeons? Im not raiding so the defensive value is appealing but it all depends on the proc rate when tanking i guess

[tawdry dirge]

ah nice i mean SB is up anyway 99%

[limpid anchor]

Yes unless it’s a fixed one

[tawny maple]

seed bad

[stark jewel]

good cause id be looking to remove armor spikes from my shield and get the frostfire belt instead

[solid holly]

What trinkets would you run in m+ if you dont raid? Im sure i wanna get scale but i dont know about the 2. one... hoof maybe?

[jagged pier]

whetstone and offensive trinket

would recommend u pug hc and normal tho

even on those difficulties the raid trinkets are pretty big

[echo bramble]

I'm getting a lot of use out of my Decoration of Flame. That one only requires you kill the first boss, which most pugs will do with ease

[meager crescent]

@solid holly I think decoration of flame is worth doing eranog for tbh

[ripe seal]

Yes but you need Grifta’s vanishing powder

[stark jewel]

alright thanks!

[solid holly]

hmm yeah i just hate how id have to raid to get those trinkets

[ripe seal]

You might risk downgrading your item though

[solid holly]

thanks

[dark prairie]

rumbling ruby or static charged scale for tanking? 402 vs 395

[jagged pier]

[distant kestrel]

my friend is telling me prot warr bis stats for m+ is crit/haste? isnt the standard haste/versa worth it this season?

[vagrant relic]

sim doesn't cover ur damage reduction and shield tho

[sick sentinel]

debatable but bothe are technically correct

[deep spruce]

bUt ThE DeEpS

[distant kestrel]

what does crit do for prot warr specifically?

[jagged pier]

so?

[sick sentinel]

crit gives more parry % for one

and its more dps

parry is good if u have alltotem

which goes off each 30s when u parry

[chrome falcon]

@jagged pier @strong forum 421 puzzle box from vault

is this thing stonks

[vagrant relic]

idk, may be manmade advice would suffice those needs but again idk

[lyric geode]

no

[sick sentinel]

i expect to be using this 408 all totem to minum 10.1

[lyric geode]

Puzzle box is quite bad to be fair

have to channel

[jagged pier]

[weak snow]

is the fire proc ring worth making the belt for?

[chrome falcon]

i mean it sims well

but like

[tawny maple]

if u got the money shore

[lyric geode]

It might be good for your fury off spec

[jagged pier]

mastery isnt bad

the cast time sucks

[limpid anchor]

Who cares about def

[chrome falcon]

yeah it's just 3 min CD and has a cast time

kinda gross

[vagrant relic]

the leaving pug heal

[limpid anchor]

If your survivalbilty depends on a trinket, you play wrong

[vagrant relic]

u can say that about anything. but it all adds up

[turbid plover]

Hey all, been unlucky with trinkets until this vault week. Got a manic grieftorch or a blazebinders good to choose from. Or tier shoulders are my main 3 options. Any suggestions. Also like to play fury for m+ so I was thinking grieftorch

[limpid anchor]

I mean

What keys do you play

[vagrant relic]

idk 14-16

[limpid anchor]

K the trinket won’t matter

[vagrant relic]

everything matters to some extent

[limpid anchor]

Torch is bis

[chrome falcon]

torch fucks

[vagrant relic]

and that's the truth whether u like it or not

[jagged pier]

wait to raid

if u get geriftorch then

do what u like

otherwise greiftorch

[echo bramble]

Nothing in the warrior defensive kit will be improved by a defensive trinket in the same manner that the extra dps will help the overall run

[tawny maple]

proper play does tho 👍

[jagged pier]

im sorry but play is like 99% survivability, trinkets and stats and other factors are like the last 1%

[sick sentinel]

blizzard why you do tihs

[short elk]

Is there or will there eventually be a way to upgrade primal infused stuff? Or is it forever 385?

[fluid ledge]

why are you bothered by that?

[limpid anchor]

The world quest scares him

[sick sentinel]

autism.jpg but i dunno

[fluid ledge]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

something about them being like, 5 feet apart

bothers me a tiny bit

[jagged pier]

isnt that the craftable stuff all u need is a good crafter to get it to a higher lvl or primal infusion or use a concentrated primal infusion and a good crafter to get it to 418 at max

[short elk]

The shit from the storms

[jagged pier]

then no idea i doubt it

[gritty glen]

Primal infused base level can be increased by quality of the item

[echo bramble]

Pretty sure it's just intended to be catch-up gear

[short elk]

Kk ty

Just wasn’t sure if I should bother with it

[thin cedar]

has anyone ran HOV and felt the fenryr was nerfed?

he didnt do his aoe swipe but twice on second phase.. dont have exact times, it was a 17 so it lasted a little while

[jagged pier]

spell queuing

[fluid ledge]

thats the points in The Temporal Conflux or?

[thin cedar]

is spell queing random on him?

[jagged pier]

dat was spell queuing does its really fucking annoying

[thin cedar]

oh it felt nerfed af that run

[jagged pier]

as far as i know he didnt get nerfed

[sick sentinel]

the second one yes

[thin cedar]

i didnt see it in the notes, but it was the easiest boss in there lol

[cinder storm]

You guys are also better geared

[jagged pier]

and if hes stuck like trying to cast howl next but in seeking then a seeking gets off cd and queus before frenxy

it can just queue stuff out

slightly frustrating

[thin cedar]

oh i gotcha! thank you!

[wide charm]

how good is 4p for surviving ?

[high drum]

it gives you 5% of ur damage as ignore pain for 4 sec after revenge

[wide charm]

i know what it does, i'm asking how much of an effect it really has

[jagged pier]

i mean as u want to keep 2 set up all the time is a good chunk of ip u get

over a dungeon

[wide charm]

for example should i take 395 tier set over 421 items in vault ?

[echo bramble]

Basically sums up to an extra 5% leech, right?

[fluid ledge]

aren't we supposed to get a item from the highest dungeon that we ran in the Vault?

[jagged pier]

not necessarily

[turbid plover]

is ruby welp shell any good for us? currently have that and dragon games equipment as my highest ilvls, and a 372 blazebinders hoof

[sick sentinel]

damn

im all out of world quests again

[sick sentinel]

No.

[jagged pier]

its meh sim it

[turbid plover]

OK

[sick sentinel]

The m+ vault does not care what dungeons you did, just the key level.

That would be cursed

still haven't run a single COS key

still don't want to

[jagged pier]

its a bit of prog

[toxic gyro]

Whats wrong with cos?

[fluid ledge]

oh then i always misunderstood how the Vault works lmao

[sick sentinel]

the vault isn't perfect

but its as close as we will ever come

[median tulip]

The actual items are entirely random, only the ilvl is set by the highest dungeon you do. Sadly, otherwise it would be easier to target useful gear pieces

[fluid ledge]

my 4 highest keys were COS lmao

[steel mauve]

When they introduced the vault they made it to where it targetted gear just from the m+ dungeons you ran that week, unless they changed it since then

[median tulip]

CoS isn't so bad, it just has an awful lot of potential for fuckups bricking the key

The worst dungeon this season is Nokhud

[wide charm]

nah worst dungeon is SBG and by far

that is not even a dungeon, you can wipe 4 times and still time it

[median tulip]

Nokhud Offensive has the most appropriate acronym of any dungeon in WoW, NGL

[wide charm]

it's just target dummies after target dummies

[sick sentinel]

It was never like this

[median tulip]

Shadowmoon and Academy are free keys. Even moreso now they've nerfed the tree, which was the only even slightly hard part of the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

That would've been the cringiest implementation ever. People would just never run certain dungeons.

[fluid ledge]

Nokhud the second boss is just pls kill me

[wide charm]

you can't compare academy to sbg

[limpid anchor]

Did they nerf academy that much that it’s free?

[cinder storm]

Actually you can now

[jagged pier]

i mean it was free to begin with

with the potion

[sick sentinel]

Lol tell me you've not done bird boss on a high key without telling me you've not done bird boss on a high key

[wide charm]

yeah bird is hard

[sick sentinel]

putting wod dungeons in current m+ is like the boomer trying to talk to the zoomers

[median tulip]

You didn't even need the potion. Shaman Earth Ele made the tree trivial by soaking all the stacks

[blazing condor]

tank stacks arent really the issue though on the tree

its the debuff that you need to clear mostly

[sick sentinel]

Just bring your pocket shaman. 😎

[tender cove]

This was not the case in SL at least.

[sick sentinel]

Never been the case.

[steel mauve]

Specifically states targetting gear but there is still an rng factor

[devout parcel]

if i want to craft a shield, what embelishment do I use there?

[fluid ledge]

btw why is the Ruby Whelp Shell now ranked so bad ?

[sick sentinel]

He's significantly easier because you had no say before

You literally just got the item

[lofty widget]

as opposed to the old system where you had 0 choice

[sick sentinel]

No choice

Like what

The random factor is that it's the entire dungeon loot pool.

[median tulip]

Don't. You can only have 2 Embellishments, and Shield is a piece you probably don't want to be trading out when/if you want to run a different pair. Put embellishments on Belt, Wrists or Feet to make swapping easier

[winged grail]

Hey, I have a question regarding races and size - do you guys also have the issue that some mobs dance around you, such as the dragons in RLP, the last miniboss in Court of Stars? Also, I have a very hard time soaking orbs on Vexamus because his hitbox is bigger than mine. Dwarf here. Wondering if other races have the same issue.

[tender cove]

Several times I avoided dungeons because people said it worked that way. I ALWAYS got loot from the entire dungeon pool.

[sick sentinel]

there is only 2 scary parts of Super Mario Brothers Grounds, the first is if someone stops the dominators from channeling MC early before and after the second boss, (this can make second boss a breeze and his surrounding trash like, 2 minutes instead of 3 or 4) the other is if you over pull the big spiders at bottom of ramp that do the interupt poision shit

[tender cove]

Even when only doing the hakkar boss as the ONLY dungeon for the ENTIRE week

[median tulip]

Ahhh, DOS, how we miss it. Not.

[sick sentinel]

everyone remember when ZG dungeon came out and final boss was hard as balls?

[tender cove]

I actually dreamt of getting the trinket once. That's as close as i've ever gotten to a wow nightmare lol

[sick sentinel]

nobody would ever get on the chains and we would instantly wipe

[slender blade]

I also have a hard time with vexamus, you can kinda walk on the outside of his hitbox to spin him but it is still hard and I do not know what to do lol

[winged grail]

What race are you?

[tender cove]

Yes, specially the CoS intermission boss

even if i stand completely still, that fucker just dances away

[hasty wraith]

Anyone has any tips for the tankbuster on second boss in Ruby Life Pools, specifically the bleed? I feel like i just get chunked through defensive cds.

[winged grail]

What race?

[tender cove]

I'm tauren

[winged grail]

OK...

So it's not a small race thing

[tropic gorge]

This happened to me last night in rlp with the drakes. I'm a dwarf, and they started walking around me. Like it was trying to flank me and get out of my block and parry cone (like wod enemies used to

[winged grail]

Drakes + CoS miniboss do that

I was about to racechange ngl

The vexamus thing triggers me

[tender cove]

The weirdest DF bug I have though is my own character starts to spin 360, fast as fuck, on the spot and just cant remove it, it always tries to like strafe

and i have to reload to fix it

[tropic gorge]

Well if you do, dwarf ftw 🙂

[tender cove]

have bricked keys from it

[winged grail]

I am dark iron dwarf 😄

Freakadin maybe try unbinding rotate? Idk

[tropic gorge]

I've experienced that on my warrior a few times. But not in the last week or so

[tender cove]

I have it at least once per day, not every dungeon but at least once per day.

[sick sentinel]

there is a DH bug in AV dungeon if you fall off the ledge first one you jump off, you can get stuck in mid air

and then need to do a swap blaster

[tender cove]

but it made me kinda happy (sorry) that i'm not alone with it.

Did you change anything? any addon or similar?

[sick sentinel]

dh just hovers like 10 fett above the ground

[tender cove]

ugh, have my first raid in a new guild with completely new people... I get sooo much anxiety from that shit i almost dont wanna do it xD

[pulsar parrot]

same, but UI reload fixes it all the time

[slender blade]

you will do great i am sure of it

[sick sentinel]

well, just remember that they are probably as bad at the game or dumb about it as you are

i mean this as positive

[tender cove]

Its a rebuild for a CE 1 day raiding guild and I sold myself pretty heavily on past glory. The expectations will be high but since its a rebuild, hopefully they took a real baddie with em to take focus off xD

I dunno, i always get performance anxiety with new people.

[minor helm]

Good luck u got this

[fluid ledge]

i have a Voidelf and mobs dance around me kekw

[onyx cedar]

I get this alot cuz i move guilds a lot, but you be alright!

[uncut dome]

On the last pull in TJS, how do you guys manage that?
I legit got my ass handed to me last week on a fortified +18

All other pulls went great

That one was scary

[tender cove]

wow, so many nerfs to dungeons, thought it was only tree boss 😮

[solid holly]

you can cc all the tankbusters

[sudden gazelle]

Am i right in thinking that our tier 4 set bonus isnt that big and important?

[solid holly]

so with a decent cc rotation youre chilling

[uncut dome]

Ah yeah my group just went "Its fine pull all not that scary" Say that to my one shot face

[median tulip]

Cooldowns while gaining aggro, then kite. it's also the one pack pretty much anywhere that I DStance for

[uncut dome]

Doesnt it make the start of a pull quite alot safer?

[uncut dome]

Got it, also my conclusion on that stupiud pull.

[solid holly]

well you want to SR the dark claws as often as you can but stun the rest. But even then this pull is always scary, on our 20 last week we banished 1 of the mobs just to play it safe

[median tulip]

wait... you can banish those?

[uncut dome]

Got it, im quite happy there is a agreement that the pull is scary, so that means i dont suck as much as i though

[solid holly]

jup

[steel mauve]

Then they didnt do what they said they were, because in the patch notes they stated it should be a higher chance to get gear from your vault from specific dungeons you ran, with still rng of othe loot

[median tulip]

Oh yeah dude, the last pull in TotJS is a killer. I think it's done specifically to stop the "let's just pull all the trash on top of the boss" strats

[uncut dome]

Would make sence

But thanks for all the great input!
Really appreciated.

[sick sentinel]

any ideas what to do wit this? im not sure its purpose

its a dim forge in the very north of shores

[short nest]

hey guys, how big is the diurna absorb ring in combination with a the frostfire procc item?

[sick sentinel]

am a blacksmith

[limpid anchor]

Above 25 skill?

[sick sentinel]

50+6

[limber flame]

yall swapping to sudden death during tyrannical weak?

[solid holly]

Does Leech affect the damage done from trinkets?

[sick sentinel]

56+6 my bad

[sick sentinel]

no, execute talents are pretty much dead now

[limber flame]

you aint running sudden death in raid?

[sick sentinel]

in raid, dunno, have to talk to raider, im mythic + and tyranical is a m+ thing

[fluid ledge]

WoW forum

[sick sentinel]

i could wow head it but im lazy and i want someone to talk to as well

[sturdy sable]

If you make a primal ignot with it youll get a black smith item to increase your knowledge

Itle be in the water trough infront of it if you do it right

[sick sentinel]

ill look at how to do it tonight

[rough pike]

Anyone got a list of Trinkets anywere that are BiS for prot war in m+?

[noble lynx]

Just go there and craft

[sturdy sable]

Whetstone+grieftorch

Real talk whetstone absolutely slaps

A 411 one does 7.5% of my dps

[rough pike]

Thnaks 🙂

[mental flax]

What if you don't have grieftorch?

[sturdy sable]

Alot of ppl use that trinket off the first boss in raid

[sullen lichen]

1st trinket from raid is big money

[late trellis]

Can you actually hit that grieftorch channel in high keys reliably?

Wouldn’t it be like puzzleboxing midpull

[sick sentinel]

funfact: Blazebinder Hoof has an interaction w/ Seal of Filial Duty

[sturdy sable]

Stun and torch ez pz

[sick sentinel]

i have to say, i think wow is the best it has ever been in an extremely long time

[mental flax]

Also, which rings are best? Is the one from NO better than the COS one? And should I keep the cobalt assembly one or use the first two?

[sick sentinel]

dragonflight isn't so bad after all

[sturdy sable]

Im still using the dps cobalt assembly ring. Its only beaten by a 405 or higher CoS ring

[mental flax]

Is the dps one perf over the defensive one?

[sturdy sable]

If your trying to do more damage it is

I also run a signet of dancing jade (crit/haste)

[queen bobcat]

which would you take? 4-set or 36 ilvl on gloves?

[uncut dome]

4 set

or run

[sturdy sable]

Our 4 set is really not that great

That much ilvl on gloves might just be a wash

Between the two

[queen bobcat]

yeah, it's basically 5% leech. Gloves give me over 12k more life and nearly 100 str

[sturdy sable]

Defensively
Offensively its gloves hands down

[sick sentinel]

im only worries about set when its in catalyst

[toxic gyro]

I would rather take gloves and turn them to tier in 3 weeks

[sick sentinel]

or if its valor vault

[meager crescent]

You guys rocking lariat?

[sturdy sable]

That as well you can tier those gloves in a few weeks

[sturdy sable]

I am

[queen bobcat]

I already own the gloves. It's not a discission for vault. Both of them

[mental flax]

Of the assebly rings, COS and NO ring (w leech) which would you pick for keys around +20

[sturdy sable]

Id probably run the cos ring and the defensive assembly ring

If i was going to pick between those 3

[mental flax]

That's what I thought. Ty

[limpid anchor]

I would use the attack ring

Def sucks

[silk sandal]

So I am having a ton of trouble with high ruby life pools keys this week. Trying to rotate through spell block/shield wall, being in defensives stance, reflecting a frigid blast every 20s, dumping every point of rage into IP and the healer is still doing insane healing to keep me up on the first boss of a 19. Moving into the 2nd boss I was having a crazy hard time every time the blazing blows (or whatever the ability is called) came out. Ensuring I have shield block rolling for every one and rotating cds it still almost kills me every time

Not sure if this is something on my end or the random pug healer's end but it feels really bad

what are you doing to better survive those fights?

[limpid anchor]

If you rotate cds correctly it’s more on the healer

It’s just a tank busters that needs high healing / externals

[proud dock]

does ignore pain/defensive stance help with bleeds?

[silk sandal]

i dont know why they wouldn't

[modern brook]

Dstance is 20% Dr nothingnfance

[undone verge]

Same thing with IP

[modern brook]

Ip will absorb half the bleed assuming it isn't ticking for higher than its value

[edgy grail]

Armor is what bleeds ignore

[proud dock]

thanks

[silk sandal]

yeahhh this is kinda what i was afraid of. After the healer left, the group was saying he (Resto druid) wasn't anticipating damage and was just reaction healing. But saying "healer sucked" and moving on just feels like a cop out solution.

[blazing condor]

Its an easy cope

[sick sentinel]

often time healer does suck

[silk sandal]

i dont want the cope though 😛 i want to get better

[sick sentinel]

just like tank can suck or dps can suck

[silk sandal]

and blaming it on the group doesnt help that

[plush tendon]

according to the spell reflect/block spread sheet, frigid shared is blockable with SB

[blazing condor]

Yeah and thats why its good you came in here and asked

Hard to tell without logs

[edgy grail]

If you are rotating CDs correctly and the rdruid knows what is going on

You should live easily

[plush tendon]

which is a majority of the damage on that fight it seems

[sick sentinel]

you can't get better if a healer is holding you back and making you worry if you are going to live or not

healer at least needs to hit buttons

[silk sandal]

yeah I was using it there

[edgy grail]

I like your thought process tho, too many people take the easy way out snd say “healer sucks”

Just because they suck doesnt mean you cant get better

[plush tendon]

its kind of hard to say if it was healer sucks, cause that fight (at least two weeks ago which was the last time i stepped in there on tyran) was BRUTAL

especially on healers

but the recent nerfs really help

[edgy grail]

With a log its easy to tell

Some people just dont review

[plush tendon]

^

[silk sandal]

it was a 2700io resto druid so i wanted to believe but after watching 2600+ io dps die to the first set of lines on the last fight of court i have no faith anymore lol

[sick sentinel]

i don't always believe healers have it as hard as they say they do, but i dislike playing healer myself these days

[silk sandal]

yeah true, i really should start logging these

[edgy grail]

Healing is def harder now and its good

[silk sandal]

i just havent updated the wcl uploader since the i came back at the start of the expansion lol

[edgy grail]

Healers didnt have to do anything all of SL so most suck now

[heavy hawk]

How important is our tir? how many ilvls would you guys rop to get a tir item in for a 2 set?

[sick sentinel]

literal

[plush tendon]

Ive been told by the healer I play with (he gets to play during the day) that RLP is much easier with the nerfs

[sick sentinel]

my dk friend bdk , he complains every run that the healers aren't pressing any buttons

[plush tendon]

2 set is good (i would sim) to determine this

[sick sentinel]

and simply not healing at all, or only healing him

[plush tendon]

4 set.... meh

give tier to dps if you raid

imo

or if its vault.... make the best longterm decision if it exists or just take tier if everything is kind of meh

[heavy hawk]

this is my problem 😛 i do mostly m+

[plush tendon]

id snag the chest (or highest I level)

[heavy hawk]

chest is probobly better then?

[plush tendon]

gain

[cinder storm]

Chest

[plush tendon]

but thats me

[silk sandal]

take the chest and then turn it into tier in a few weeks 😛

[heavy hawk]

that what i was thinking 😛

thanks

[plush tendon]

dats a big boi chest

[sick sentinel]

what changed with healers to make it so much more difficult

[silk sandal]

i feel like IP has near full uptime in m+ anyways

[plush tendon]

but those shoulders aint bad....

[silk sandal]

with just the 15% from the talent

[plush tendon]

I dont track IP

IP is my rage dump

when I have too much

LEL

[sick sentinel]

like, how is healer getting screwed, i can't even begin to pretend i know why healers feel so nerfed now

[plush tendon]

the 40% health increase and 40% damage increase at the start of the expansion

that did not scale healing done

to match the 40% bigger healthpools and damage done

[lofty mica]

Is the hunger of the pack trinket decent for prot?

[edgy grail]

They were wayyy too strong before

[plush tendon]

its decent

crit stat stick

nothing special

[plush tendon]

me like strong healers

strong healer keep me safe

❤️

but more importantly, strong healer give dps extra braincells

[steep basin]

Hey guys, quick q ^^
Got hc shoulders from chest, but today I got tier shoulders in vault. Only 389 (just started), Also Crit/Mastery ring with leech. What should I do? 😄

[plush tendon]

heroic shoulders?

[sick sentinel]

zug zug

[plush tendon]

like the 402?

[steep basin]

Raid ones without tier, 402 with Haste/Vers

[reef holly]

Hey is there a way to filter Warcraft logs to show “in combat” only?

[hardy snow]

is there any way to check on logs how much of ignor pain i've got per source? (talent/tier/skill itself)

[bitter kiln]

somebody knows why i struggle with the 2nd boss of Temple? my healer mate says other tanks seems to need way less healing then me and i´m constantly starving on rage and barely can keep my ignor pain activ, any suggestions?

[gritty glen]

What's your talent build

[harsh cedar]

When you do switch target?

[bitter kiln]

specced into spellblock, whitch seems to help a little but was still a pain

[jagged pier]

are u standing on your own

and just letting that thing stack

[bitter kiln]

first we tried to do the imun strat

[jagged pier]

also spec out of sonicboom

[bitter kiln]

but killed it second try with 7stack swap

[limpid anchor]

The increase was to match the healing

Bcs healing was absurd

[scenic vector]

does prot 2 set have much value? i am so stuck with my vault choice

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[scenic vector]

i play fury, but legit i only have 1 set, but i have the 395 set piece chest in vault

and its the same ilevel as my current chest

so maybe i just say fuck it and get my 2 set

[sick sentinel]

sonic boom isn't as good as it looks

[scenic vector]

its so hard to say no to a 402 weapon with leach and my bis stats though

(2h)

[bitter kiln]

can you elaborate on that? is there a mechanic i dont know about?

[jovial birch]

So decoration of flame is extremely broken in timewalking. Nuking bosses doing almost 100k damage in one cast

[scenic vector]

since i want to tank some time

[limpid anchor]

You can just valor it to that level

Or do a 16 and get it

Seems like a waste compared to tier set

[scenic vector]

@limpid anchor truuu, my second weapon is literally the same weapon at 395

so best to just lock up tier

[stone condor]

are there breakpoints for a specific stat for prot warrior ? for example if i reach 30% haste i should go a little bit more on vers

[plush tendon]

nothing wrong with dat

imo, its like having tanks that are too strong

everyone wins

[limpid anchor]

Always haste

[scenic vector]

@limpid anchor my vault literally has all the tier, i also have tier helm, which is 4ilevels down and my current helm has socket

only normal loot, not heroic, we did clear ras this week

[median tulip]

In theory if you manage to reach 40% from secondaries (which means NOT including Into The Fray) then diminishing returns will kick in to the point where other stats are probably offering you more value. But you won't reach 40% pre-ITF anyway, under any realistic scenario.

[wary bough]

Shields probably the pick, right ? its with avoidance aswell

[plush tendon]

shield 100%

[stone condor]

at the moment i have 21% haste which isnt that good

[plush tendon]

take it, swap to arms/fury loot spec, dont look back

[median tulip]

421 Shield means never having to replace your shield for the rest of this season

[brave temple]

How strong is our 4set?

[jagged pier]

yes

[median tulip]

It's more or less a 5% leech buff. Nice, but not really gameplay-defining

[brave temple]

Kay kay

[plush tendon]

its super meh

but good thing we dont need it

[topaz pulsar]

how are you guys deal with Searing Wounds in Ruby? This shit tikcs for 90k +

[plush tendon]

compared to bdk's which is kind of cool

[median tulip]

The 2pc (4% Damage and DR) is nice as well

[plush tendon]

the 2pc is good

a nice boost

[median tulip]

But again, not exactly defining your gameplay loop

[plush tendon]

well none of them really do

this tier

which I like

S3 tier was really toxic

until the forge came out

[mystic fog]

I dunno the DH set bonuses are actually good

[plush tendon]

yea, seems good

but also, seems like they need it

whereas prot warrior really doesnt

[median tulip]

The set bonuses kinda had to be really generic this expansion, because of how the talent trees are constructed and how varied builds can be (in theoryu)

[spring delta]

The 4set has been huge IMO. Running Brutal Vitality with it, has me having 100K+ Ignore Pain on mobs in 15+ keys. Its free Ignore Pain without needing to spend rage on it.

[iron forge]

should i take head tier 408 lvl or 405 Seal of fillial Duty with socket 405 lvl. already have 4 set. Head is 5 set and 16ilvl upgrade of the one i have

[plush tendon]

I mean... you sort of just dump rage into IP anyways

[void marten]

head is a bad tier slot, if you dont have 2 embellished crafts i'd suggest taking the ring and having pvp helm crafted

[spring delta]

dont really need to now iwth 4set. lets you do more damage

[void marten]

but for the ring you need to have the belt as well

[plush tendon]

you will always want to dump rage into IP

[median tulip]

The advantage of taking the head will be that you can swap the Tier Chest out for a chestpiece with some Haste on it. Do you have an alternative chest?

[plush tendon]

unless your rage gen is shit

I literally cant spend it fast enough

[edgy grail]

If you dont use IP with 4 set

You are playing wrong

[spring delta]

if youre already having 100k+ Ignore pain active with 4set. why would you spend more rage on IP? use Revenge and do more damage?

[winged cobalt]

i am not sure. for m+: totem is prolly better then decoration flame right? according to the "sim"

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6LLx5PPCYCQhjStErUpqbr

[plush tendon]

because SS and Thunderclap take precedance over revenge

IP is off GCD

[brave temple]

For dmg

[plush tendon]

spent rage->more avatars, SW, and outburst->more damage

[brave temple]

But decoration Will outpeform pretty sure

[meager crescent]

Decoration has been very good for me

[iron forge]

@median tulip atm no. But i can farm. The thing that interest me in ring is the socket

[edgy grail]

This is why

[plush tendon]

like, I raid with another prot warrior: I ignored pain 98 times, he ignored pained 38 times on our recent Raz kill

my dps 45k, his 35k

he had more revenges though.... so I guess theres that

[spring delta]

have logs to see? interested in seeing how that works on

out*

[plush tendon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T8hCvtdVjN9FHGaZ#fight=29&type=damage-done

[meager crescent]

Man had that shit ready to go lol

[timid sun]

Had shieldblock up

[plush tendon]

I was looking at it

[modern brook]

How that works out

[plush tendon]

oh no, I wasted rage

sadge

[modern brook]

Sorry to put u on blast 😢

[meager crescent]

Augusto do you keep shield block up 24/7 even if you aren’t the one with raz aggro?

[spiral crypt]

Anyone know how good/bad hunger of the pack is for us? got it at 421 and 2 other 418 was crit/versa chest/ring

[plush tendon]

SB gives SS damage

[meager crescent]

Gotcha. So you want it up as much as possible

Even when not tanking

[plush tendon]

yea... but tbh that fight doesnt hurt

so I sometimes just press it say yolo XD

[wind vigil]

hi guys, thinking about rolling a prot. hows the current state of the spec atm ?

[plush tendon]

without thinking too much

anytime that fight hurts is the thunder chomp thingy which a quick Spell Reflect pretty much negates

and then SW+Spell reflect for tank buster in p3

[inner dove]

very strong and easy to perform well

[plush tendon]

youll have both up if you spend rage

everytime you take it

cause looking at my logs.... 86% block is a little sus but also.... I didnt notice

[wind vigil]

thanks

[chrome lance]

hey gguys, what is some reliable source for talent builds for prot warr in raids and m+?

[plush tendon]

check the pins; noms build is a great place to start

subcreation also a good tool

[slow harbor]

ilvl 379 keystone runner, currently using All-Totem (i408) and Ruby Whelp Shell (i372), would this be an upgrade over either you think?

[plush tendon]

over whelp

prob

[inner dove]

agree

[plush tendon]

All totem i didnt realize had other affects besides just raw damage....so its better then you think

[slow harbor]

gotcha thats what i was thinking. ty

[plush tendon]

also, I level

[spring delta]

its hard to come to conclusion that IP should be rage dump over Revenge if you already have IP up from 4set - based on your logs. You're doing more DPS than the other tank, but there's many other factors involved in that, like having 1.5K more Str, 600 more vers, more SS, running Into the Fray, etc etc.

[plush tendon]

I mean, our I level is very similar regardless of stats

[versed zealot]

Is 2set tier piece prio?

[spring delta]

I would agree that its very situational. If your IP is about to drop, makes sense to use IP. But if youre already stacked on IP from 4set, have 5+ seconds left on it, dump the rage into Revenge.

Ilvl, sure. But stat wise, you guys are very different

[plush tendon]

he has windscar though

super jelly

[spring delta]

like, you both had very similar Melee Casts. You 362 & him 364. However, you did 4,122.3 DPS and he did 3,491.7 DPS - even though you had 2 less casts of Melee

You had 147 casts of SS with 8,474.5 DPS and he had 130 casts of SS with 6,208.5. Yes, there is 17 difference, however, that is a BIG gap for just 17 casts

[pliant void]

Is there an updated dragon flight spell reflect sheet?

[slim cipher]

Yep, you can check the pins 🙂 (a weakaura is also available)

[pliant void]

I saw the one in faq but it was only showing shadowlands reflects

[spring delta]

ilvl could be same, but stats make a big difference in damage output. Trying to conclude the main point - the logs dont represent the difference in using IP as rage dump over Revenge.

Not saying that the methodology is wrong though.

[feral musk]

What is the name on the embellishment for onehanded wepon?

[blazing condor]

fang adornment ?

[feral musk]

Is that the good one?

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

[plush tendon]

I think the part that is key is specifically if you go to P3; check our casts; I get 1 more avatar from 4-3 and 1 more SW from 2-1

[fluid ledge]

am i looking wrong or is that 6 heals?

[undone verge]

5 and a half

[quasi otter]

well that holy

lmao

[plush tendon]

photo wanted to do damage

but also, its reclear

[blazing condor]

[plush tendon]

gotta bring everyone

[undone verge]

reclear of H rasz I wish

maybe if we didnt have 2 weeks off of raiding cause of holidays

[pliant void]

What is the best defensive rotation for kolkia?

I’m not a dwarf so it feels tough

[wanton shale]

does mass dispel or BOP clear that dot btw?

[pliant void]

Bop might work but I don’t think mass does

Is a physical dot

[golden tartan]

i feel like my shield slam is a bit too high

[wanton shale]

it's kicking my ass too

[golden tartan]

its timewalking

[pliant void]

I think maybe our one bleed heal talent might work for it

[golden tartan]

so ignore the damage amount

just %

[pliant void]

I should definitely look into that

[wanton shale]

oh yea bitter immunity might be worth taking there

[hazy thicket]

doesnt remove bleeds

[wanton shale]

wall one, last stand one, bitter immunity one

[pliant void]

Really?

Damn

[wanton shale]

wth bitter immuynity doesn't work?

[ocean yoke]

Yeah they took the bleed remove out I think

[hazy thicket]

bleed remove was patched out late in beta

[pliant void]

Damn you’re right

[wanton shale]

it's still a 20% heal right? better than nothing but the bleed clear would be better

[pliant void]

So we have to wall, intentional cheat death, wall, last stand + ravager, wall, then I’m on the floor

Tough

Maybe intentionally cheat death first one

Then wall

[hazy thicket]

healer externals exist for a reason too mate

[pliant void]

Dude that bleed just hurts so bad

[hazy thicket]

wall early as possible so you can start reducing the cd asap

[plush tendon]

yea, at a certain point you just out of buttons

[pliant void]

On a 21 that shit ticks for half my health through ignore pain

[fluid ledge]

[pliant void]

Probably biggest tank buster for warrior right now is ruby 2nd boss

Hurts more than jade imo

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt know

havnt done that key yet

on Tyran

[pliant void]

Yeah it’s tough

[plush tendon]

lets stick to filling vaults with SBG

or get a Windscar from CoS

[pliant void]

I’ll have to keep working on figuring it out

That rotation is going to be rough without being a dwarf

[hazy thicket]

for sure

[median tulip]

I got the windscar last night. Fury Warrior in my guild was kinda pissed it dropped for me

[plush tendon]

rightfully so

[pliant void]

I feel like if you fit dwarf racial in it kinda solves the fight for us

[fluid ledge]

me when i finally get the CoS trinket

[heavy glen]

I'm looking at updating my specc for raiding with whatever we know now about our specc. Is there a popular build we like for raiding?

[plush tendon]

but screw him; tanks need damage to

[pliant void]

But I like being big Tauren

Big hp

[plush tendon]

When dwarf racial is applicable, its busted

[hazy thicket]

you running bolster in RLP? 2 min last stands seems like it would help

[heavy glen]

are the raiding builds in ICV any good?

[turbid shuttle]

For kolkia, you could consider taking unstoppable force for the wall on avatar, so you get it for every searing blow.

[pliant void]

Yeah bolster could help

How does demoralizing shout work on that boss?

[hazy thicket]

dont think its a magic bullet, like

[pliant void]

Does it reduce the damage of the bleed on application?

Or does it just reduce the damage of the bleed on you while the boss is demoralized

[strong forum]

updates dynamically

you cant snapshot anything

[mint star]

how good is the seal of diurna chosen ring for prot warry? i can craft next week the waist

[pliant void]

Damn

[hazy thicket]

i dont think much of anything snapshots these days. I would expect it to just do less when demo is up and thats it

[pliant void]

Gotcha well still valuable I guess

[hazy thicket]

for sure

[golden tartan]

what should i prioritize?

[strong forum]

?

[pliant void]

I think if you take the talent to reduce cd on demo shout it could be good

[strong forum]

what exactly am i supposed to see roid

[golden tartan]

i jump into pack with demoralizing shout + shield block

my rotation

watch % not damage

since its timewalking damage 😄

im new to tanking

[strong forum]

yeah thats not representative at all

[oblique garnet]

Spellblock op

[strong forum]

spell block doesnt work on 2nd boss ruby

[pliant void]

Does spell block work on 2nd boss bleed?

[hazy thicket]

its physical damage

[strong forum]

no, doesnt work

[pliant void]

If it does that would solve everything

Damn

[oblique garnet]

The serrated swings ?

[golden tartan]

i use a weakaura for spell reflects

[oblique garnet]

Thought it was magic no ?

[golden tartan]

works pretty decently

[hazy thicket]

no

[strong forum]

its a bleed

[hazy thicket]

its a bleed

[pliant void]

It’s a physical bleed

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

warrior is the worst tank vs ruby 2nd boss

[cinder storm]

It's a cry a lot bleed

[severe hatch]

Race change dwarf

[strong forum]

cant dwarf it