protection

[urban portal]

Holy shit

[jagged pier]

well yer most of u m+

[urban portal]

You actually may be right

[blazing condor]

m+ is the fun part

[urban portal]

I can see the math behind it

[ionic fern]

Sssh, people don't like logic.

[jagged pier]

[zealous grove]

Wait are you telling me I just crafted haste Vers on everything

[urban portal]

I’ve never though of this

[blazing condor]

recraft time

[zealous grove]

And enchanted vers on everything

And it’s BAD!?

[blazing condor]

its not bad

[jagged pier]

i mean u should never

[limpid anchor]

Imagine being a vers sucker

[jagged pier]

enchant vers

[zealous grove]

I want to speak to the manager.

[jagged pier]

or gem vers

[urban portal]

Should’ve been enchanting haste

[ionic fern]

Realistically speaking

[zealous grove]

Oh yeh true actuall

[ionic fern]

Crit is the best defensive stat in m+

[jagged pier]

it doesnt matter

[ionic fern]

So....

[zealous grove]

I have been lol

[jagged pier]

this

and to prefise that conversation it was like a month ago and we havent looked at it further

[sick current]

is there a BiS ring for us? with a spark?

[zealous grove]

So I should haste/crit for crafted etc?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[jagged pier]

always

[zealous grove]

Fk

[limpid anchor]

Just follow our class representative Naowh

[tulip kelp]

Is haste mastery on lariat trolling? Thinking about recrafting so I can use for fury

[limpid anchor]

He goes haste vers

And is r1 :)

[jagged pier]

no its fine

[ionic fern]

[sick current]

who here is bored and can audit my character and help guide me on what to do next >______< I have sparks and idk what to use them on!!! :((

[ionic fern]

What ever you want.

[blazing condor]

i wanna recraft my lariat cus its 392 but its better to recraft my wep instead

[ionic fern]

I think you can Droptimizer the profession gear

[jagged pier]

yes rank1 maybe but does he spend all day talking about the class and looking into it

[ionic fern]

.Just do that.

[jagged pier]

no

vers is just and easy stat

🤷

[sick current]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/lebanongirl

[ionic fern]

Droptimizer

Your

Character

[sick current]

what is that? 😮

i am a mythic+ only player

i dont raid, just m+

[ionic fern]

That doesn't matter.

[sick current]

idk what to use my spark on

[limpid anchor]

Well i don’t disagree. But gotta follow the nr 1!

[jagged pier]

please dont

[inland mesa]

22 AA sounds scary

[jagged pier]

that what makes u play shockwave build

[inland mesa]

I'm scared of a key for the first time boys

[ionic fern]

Raidbots.com -> Droptimizer -> Insert Character -> Professions Epic
Select target count/fight style, go. @sick current

[limpid anchor]

I got flamed by my guild for going haste crit bcs all the m+ pwars go haste vers :(

[jagged pier]

okay

[ionic fern]

Tell your guild they dumb.

And quit.

[jagged pier]

your guilds dumb

[limpid anchor]

Yes :(

[jagged pier]

crit is our best defesnive stat in m+

[spice orbit]

As someone who already has a 408 shield and only runs 15/16s so far... should I just open vault as fury? I think some of the dps trinkets would be nice to get...

[blazing condor]

sure if you play a lot of fury as well

[spice orbit]

i never do

[blazing condor]

can get whetstone at least

[jagged pier]

I would open as arms

[blazing condor]

you can also upgrade your shield with valor if needed

[jagged pier]

the loot pool is less

unless u want a 1h

i suppose

[spice orbit]

yeah, not looking for 2hand :<

[lilac jay]

Is ruby this strong? what item would u guys pick?

[jagged pier]

I mean i wouldnt take the ring

cause fire ring

but your choice

🤷

[inland mesa]

best ring is fire ring and then melandrus?

[ionic fern]

What ever sims the highest.

[jagged pier]

one of the 3 rings that does damage

well 2 i suppose

as you would run the 2 highest simming

[inland mesa]

it's that just fire ring and cobalt?

[jagged pier]

probably

[zealous grove]

Sim told me to run COS ring and fire ring

Over cobalt and fire.

Auto attack dam that big???

[inland mesa]

hmm would need to figure out fire ring string to add to simc

[blazing condor]

also depends on how long you sim for

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[blazing condor]

if you sim for 1 minute then cobalt isnt gonna proc much

but for a whole dungeon maybe cobalt has more dmg

[spice orbit]

Well, as someone with 0 tier pieces so far this hurts a little but I guess that trinket will help me cope :3

[zealous grove]

I sim dungeon slice. What’s that default to.

[jagged pier]

ew

dont sim that

our apl doesnt like it

[zealous grove]

Oh reals?

Oh okay. What do I sim then?

[urban portal]

Dungeon slice can’t possibly be that bad

[zealous grove]

Man I have learnt I’ve been fucking up a lot tonight 🤣

[urban portal]

Considering how the apl is written for prot

[urban portal]

The stats of cos ring is good

Then you have the little bonus

[jagged pier]

you should sim the scenario u want

3-5 targets 1 min

is more actuate for m+ pulls

[zealous grove]

We’ll I only run m+ so I thought dungeon slice D:

Ah ok ok

[urban portal]

I would cut lust if you do it

[jagged pier]

well yer

[urban portal]

So it’s more accurate per pull basis

Dps likes to use dungeon slice a bit more because it’s an aggregation of pulls

Also jakey you need to get me in on the new theorycrafting spice

[ionic fern]

Hope you're having a great evening.

[craggy pilot]

do i open vault in Prot, or something else for Trinkets 🤔

[jagged pier]

arms for trinkets

prot for anything else

[craggy pilot]

if i have no 1h i guess Prot for 1h right?

[ionic fern]

I'm doing fury cause i want trinkets but also that 1h.

😂

[craggy pilot]

which takes preference?

[jagged pier]

no, hot guys only

[craggy pilot]

was thinking fury as well ye

[warm plinth]

Not bad, not bad. Shorter day than yesterday by a little bit

[tulip kelp]

Wait so you guys do patchwork 3 mobs?

[ionic fern]

Wait, you're saying we are hot?

[craggy pilot]

but then also chance for a stupid 2h

[ionic fern]

Damn.

[jagged pier]

ok i add grammer

[ionic fern]

😦

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic fern]

It's only a plus since then i can flex on our Fury Warriors with a 421 wpn.

[urban portal]

Do you think it’s gonna affect top tanks theorycrafting

[jagged pier]

no

[urban portal]

I feel like tank gear has always been about feel

[jagged pier]

as i said it was one conversation

[urban portal]

Because it’s really hard to math out durability

Vs say damage

[craggy pilot]

hmm, kinda boring vault 🤔

[jagged pier]

u should have seen mine

[tulip kelp]

Fr can someone confirm best m+ sim? Cause it’s telling me dragon game trinket better then whetstone atm… patchwork 1 min 3 bosses no lust?

[normal birch]

Kinda spicy vault

[urban portal]

For trinkets it’s generally ok

[zinc monolith]

I have a prot question for mythic plus and fenrir in HoV. Above a 12 that aoe strike he does just chunks me, full ignore pain, shield block up and it eats up the full IP, and takes me down to 50% or less. Am I doing something wrong

[craggy pilot]

is 4set anything for us? 🤔

[urban portal]

Trinkets aren’t really affected by optimization in apl

So you can just sim that yeah

[ionic fern]

It's a "LETS STACK" mechanic.

[jagged pier]

everyone should be in it

not just u

[ionic fern]

Or you can just leap out of it.

[normal birch]

It's a group soak

[ionic fern]

And take 0 damage.

[tulip kelp]

There’s no way dragon games trinket better then whetstone of same ilvl tho right? Lol

[urban portal]

I mean

[jagged pier]

over a dungeon

no

[urban portal]

If it sims better

[jagged pier]

in a 1 min fight

maybe

[blazing condor]

fenryr is a classic "stack and spread" fight

[limpid anchor]

The dragon games trinket is just so shit to use anyway

[tulip kelp]

Right so the question was what’s best way to sim trinkets and gear for M+?

[urban portal]

There is no best way

[tulip kelp]

Cause I’m trying to decide between totem, grieftorch, whetstone, ruby, puzzle box all sameish level

[urban portal]

The best way is try both

[ionic fern]

This is what i do.
1)M+ talents/gear
2)Sim ST, 1 target, Patchwerk, 3 minutes with CD's.
3)Sim AoE, 5-7 targets, patchwerk, 1m, no CD's.

Use logic and take the best inbetween.

[jagged pier]

sims is a starting point

its not

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91GHKQx8YyBcmB3wdq64WE
how can +10 ilvl legs sim -0.4% dps 🤔

[jagged pier]

a clear cut this is better

u need to understand what u are simming

[urban portal]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

and what its actually showing

[tulip kelp]

Perfect, will start there cheers

[craggy pilot]

oh it doesnt sim armor kit i guess

[urban portal]

A 5 minute trinket will always sim better than a 1 minute trinket

But maybe not over the course of a dungeon

Only crackheads played first sigil in m+

Or when you needed huge burst

[ionic fern]

Really simple rule of thumb - Is it Whetstone? Yes - Equip.
GGwp.

[jagged pier]

☝️

[craggy pilot]

😢

dont say this

[zinc monolith]

Whetstone is that good?

[craggy pilot]

i spent 20 runs in COS yesterday

[urban portal]

Couldn’t you argue that it giving it secondary stats instead of main stat

[jagged pier]

yes

[inland mesa]

debating if I throw my next spark at 418 shield just to get 3 more ilvls

[craggy pilot]

got 0 loot

[urban portal]

Make it a teensy worse

[spice orbit]

what about blazebinders tho D:

[ionic fern]

Is it called Whetstone?

[spice orbit]

sometimes :<

[jagged pier]

yes

[craggy pilot]

i need wep/ring/trinket

saw only ring drop once in 20 runs

[warm plinth]

Are you okay?

[inland mesa]

whetstone is that good?

[craggy pilot]

😭

[spice orbit]

depends on your usecase

[inland mesa]

guess I'm farming court once I get my other 6 20s done

[zinc monolith]

@jagged pier I’m currently using flame trinket off first boss in raid and blazehoof should I replace one with whetstone?

[craggy pilot]

last 10 was with my HPala friend who had Prot loot spec

and he didnt get anything

[spice orbit]

5 targets be like

[jagged pier]

yer flame

[zinc monolith]

Is that because dps trinkets are better than survivability trinkets??

[jagged pier]

they always are

[spice orbit]

If you don't die, dps is always better

why would you more defensive if you dont die in the first place

[inland mesa]

wait I can boon this week cuz no sanguine O.O

[urban portal]

Survival trinkets are only better if they enable pulls you can’t do otherwise

Like aegis

[steady steppe]

If u put spikes on it maybe

[inland mesa]

I already have lariat and frostfire at 418

then 415 eranog shield

and after that....only things left under 415 are boots and ring

[tulip kelp]

At least you saw ring lol… I did 20 runs too and nothing until today

[craggy pilot]

saw ring, but on my friend who couldnt trade it

[jagged pier]

just get ring first run

🤷

[craggy pilot]

so i gain nothing

[tulip kelp]

I did a 17 and we got to last boss with 12 mins left and then we wiped a million times

[steady steppe]

That's what I did

[tulip kelp]

We got to 91 deaths and I said if we hit 100 deaths I’m done

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/usTjxorWvdrEhyP3S6B57N

how does this ring sim way better than the Legs??

[jagged pier]

how?

[tulip kelp]

And then whetstone dropped

[craggy pilot]

i thought mastery is kinda shit

[urban portal]

It’s just another damage stat

[quaint compass]

its good dam

[tulip kelp]

Healer couldn’t heal anyone through maelstrom

[craggy pilot]

is mastery better dam than haste/crit?

[craggy pilot]

people need to learn how to do the maelstrom though

i see many grps fill up the room with clones

[quaint compass]

mastery can sim better than crit depending on target count etc but it's usually better than haste for pure dam

[urban portal]

No

[quaint compass]

but haste is so good for other stuff

[urban portal]

It’s just some sort of stat combo

[glacial skiff]

in keys do you want to prioritize keeping vanguard's determination up 100% or just using it when it falls off?

[urban portal]

Where the gain in mastery is your highest dps

[tulip kelp]

I explained it a million times.. but dps and healer were dying on second maelstrom away from the mirrors

[craggy pilot]

i heard its bugged as well

doing 3x expected dmg

but healer should rotate CDs

[urban portal]

Definitely keeping it up is important

[craggy pilot]

i usually Rally the 3rd trinket

[tulip kelp]

I mean our healer was 2200 with 4 pc and 404 ilvl

[urban portal]

Not like you’ll ever rotationally drop it

[tulip kelp]

I was rallying second cause people were dying

[steady steppe]

I tried a 19 Hov but couldn't get past fenryr cause of the bleed

[arctic marten]

Does Intervene work on the last boss of Court of Stars?

[tulip kelp]

What would you intervene?

[warm plinth]

I'm not 100% sure but probably not

[arctic marten]

The massive group damage?

[warm plinth]

If we still had safeguard, yeah, but we don't 😢

[jagged pier]

its blocks melees

not damage

[tulip kelp]

Intervene is just one melee I thought lol

[warm plinth]

Nah it's all attacks for 6 sec

[arctic marten]

rip

[tulip kelp]

Ahh i swear used to be one

[craggy pilot]

maybe Inspiring Presence though

[tulip kelp]

But yeah, group was two hunters and DH and we were coordinating darkness and turtles and shit but still 91 deaths

Pretty sure healer was doing something wrong

[craggy pilot]

if i get 3 set in raid tonight, would i pick 4 set in the vault over a bigger dps increase? 🤔

[jagged pier]

thats your choice

[limpid anchor]

I would take more dps personally

Bcs I don’t have survival issues

But that’s on you

[craggy pilot]

4 set is not more dmg right?

[limpid anchor]

More rage, in theory

[craggy pilot]

its just more IP

[jagged pier]

nothing to do with more damage tbh

u still spam IP just as much

[limpid anchor]

Yea

[craggy pilot]

yea my thought exactly

[jagged pier]

min maxing it u can probs get more revenges out

but meh

who cares

[rough egret]

Hey, wasnt there some statement from blizz that there will be some catch up mechanism when you miss great vault?

[toxic jungle]

anyone know why dps are running hunter of the pact ?

[dusk hinge]

council trinket or third t-set piece ? 😄

[neon elk]

Iirc they said they would like to implement something, like giving you two options to pick etc, but afaik it didnt make it to game yet @rough egret

[jagged pier]

wait for raid

[rough egret]

Ty

[dusk hinge]

how good is the council trinket for tanks ?

[jagged pier]

pretty good

[high drum]

1 on a at least 1 tank

[jagged pier]

but u need a healer and dps to have it

[high drum]

is the biggest dps increase you can do in a raid

for the raid

so at least 1 of the 2 tanks should always have one, even if its normal

[cold zealot]

Do i go for ilvl+28 belt with Vers/haste or play long game and go legs for the catalyst.
Ring i can only procc with grieftorch or Eranogg trinket.

[high drum]

mein gott

[craggy pilot]

i love i can go Tokens of Merit, and get 20 Primal Chaos

meanwhile i have 700+ Primal Chaos in my bag i have no idea what to use for

[high drum]

trinket is pretty good you know

[dusk hinge]

oh damn nvm its kurog trinket, all-totem of the master, is this good ?

[mortal brook]

My brother, the ring then get some fire damage

[craggy pilot]

why not go the ring?
did you sim it at all?

[jagged pier]

for m+ ye

[cold zealot]

What for?
I really cant see too much value offensive wise, and if defense is needed id rather use Eranogg Trinket for an on demand Absorb.
I got Windscar and Grieftorh (H) so im relatievly set there

[tulip kelp]

Totally fine to put valor into trinkets yea? Did shield already

[cold zealot]

Only can procc with trinkets so every 2 mins a chance, embellishements are lariat and allied bracers, no spark left atm

[craggy pilot]

still very good ring for the long game

[compact dove]

What would you take (doing m+ mainly)

[craggy pilot]

do you have 2 set?

[cold zealot]

Id rather longgame otherwise unobtainable 421 legs then^^ Ring i can get on heroic from raid still

[craggy pilot]

i cant rly tell from the icons

[compact dove]

no but i could get that in raid so im not prefering the low ilevel legs

[craggy pilot]

oh thought the shoulder is 2set, cant rly tell from the icons

try to sim it

[compact dove]

true if shoulders would be set i would take them

[craggy pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/wow-hotfixes-updated-3-january-414532
how do we only get these updates today 😄 Didnt US have Tyrannical for a full day before these updates? 🤣

lol no update on 3rd boss RLP though 🤣

wtf haha

only Stormslam longer CD

[ionic fern]

What's the issue there?

[limpid anchor]

All of the items are low ilvl tho

[compact dove]

maybe for you not for me ^^

[limpid anchor]

The 3rd boss isn’t an issue tho

[ionic fern]

I'm also confused, what's the problem with the 3rd boss.

[craggy pilot]

yea its mostly an issue when people suck with fire

Infernocore ticks hardcore

[ionic fern]

But..that doesn't require a fix.

[limpid anchor]

Yes so get better people

[ionic fern]

That requires a brain.

🤷

[limpid anchor]

Compared to the unavoidable dmg on the other bosses

The 3rd is an skill issue

[craggy pilot]

i always explain the machanic

and we still fuck it up 🤣

[warm plinth]

I never thought RLP last boss was hard tbh

Just kill dragon, ezgame gg

[tame jasper]

u know that this is a very rare ressource in WoW

[limpid anchor]

It is if people are bad

[craggy pilot]

everyone just focus the guy

and be like "i like to kill guy for easier fight"

and im like

[tame jasper]

yeah 1st boss was hard, the others 2 are easy

[warm plinth]

:think:

[limpid anchor]

The second is hard :(

[craggy pilot]

when guy has 17% hp while dragon has 52% hp

[lyric geode]

Guys, what path you use for RLP?

[lone eagle]

honestly as much as p2 lust is "nice"

p1 lust has given me way more success in RLP

[lyric geode]

I overpull to be fair

[limpid anchor]

There are choices?

[warm plinth]

There's not really a path in RLP

[lone eagle]

p1 lust, blast dragon since they land first

[warm plinth]

You just press W

and skip flamegullet

[craggy pilot]

it all comes down to skipping the Flamegullet

[limpid anchor]

I skip flame dragon and pat before 2nd boss

[lyric geode]

You can skip it?

[limpid anchor]

Yes just don’t pull it

[lone eagle]

100% perfect completion without overpulling more or less comes from cleaning out the right side of the hallway before 1st boss

don't pull the 2nd rock pat

[lilac jay]

would u guys take trinket? beside finger BiS because of max. versa? but i can upgrade finger to 415 if i get it ...

[lone eagle]

then clena out upstairs

[viral geode]

does the frostfire belt counts as an embellishment ?

[lone eagle]

yes

[lyric geode]

Doesnt he patrol the fire elemental?

[eager canyon]

Thanks @jagged pier and @ionic fern for tips y/day, parses looking better - they're on normal where no-one is trying but w.e, defo improvement

[ionic fern]

Wdym

[craggy pilot]

you can skip him if you walk to the stairs in both alcoves

[ionic fern]

I tryhard normal.

[eager canyon]

these were all 40 min 60 max before

[limpid anchor]

Huge parses

[ionic fern]

Try

Harder.

[lyric geode]

Didnt know. Thanks

[eager canyon]

Don't want to dethrone you yet

[limpid anchor]

Not even 100%

[eager canyon]

L

[warm plinth]

that ring is not bis 🤔

[mellow surge]

Hey guys is it best to open Vault as protection or as dps?

[ionic fern]

Je, i suck.

[lyric geode]

Protection for shield

[eager canyon]

Prot

if you have good shield you could go Fury for Whetstone if you don't have

[mellow surge]

If you already have a shield + weopon at 418 ilvl?

[eager canyon]

but memes

[warm plinth]

Then arms

[lyric geode]

Arms

[mellow surge]

Oh

[warm plinth]

arms gets rid of 1h weapons so it's a smaller loot table than fury

[lyric geode]

Stuck with 389 shield.

Feels bad

[mellow surge]

What are we looking for exactly like a trinket?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you're just getting rid of shields/1h and tank trinkets

and opening up dps trinkets

[mellow surge]

Oh alright i appreciate ! thanks guys

[lyric geode]

You mean dps trinkets?

[mellow surge]

i crafted my shield! Really cheap to do

[warm plinth]

No, you're getting rid of tank trinkets

[lyric geode]

Nice idea

[mellow surge]

Well if you are on draenor EU i can craft yours ^^

[lyric geode]

I misintepreted it

[odd iron]

Blazebinders hoof or Whetstone, same ilvl for m+?

[lyric geode]

Giorgo euxaristw alla eimai stormscale

[mellow surge]

Alright lets see what i get AMENO

[mellow surge]

🙂

[warm plinth]

sim it

[lyric geode]

Whetstone

You mean the CoS trinket right?

I remember a chart which says that CoS trinket is 9 and hoof is 6 for some reason

[odd iron]

Yes

which chart?

[mellow surge]

Whic would you guys pic? I have 2 set already

[rough egret]

Grief

🔥

[lyric geode]

Grief

Insane dmg, but you have to channel

I dont know.

[warm plinth]

easiest choice ever

[craggy pilot]

does COS actually drop a 1h wep? 🤔 i see it when i select Mythic+ loot table, but when i select Mythic loot table its not there 🤔

has anyone seen it drop?

[lyric geode]

I feel you reduce your survivibility with grief.

[mellow surge]

I have as trinkets

[lyric geode]

Can you cast while in channel?

[warm plinth]

No

[mellow surge]

i have looted it

[warm plinth]

You just have to be smart about when/how you use it

[craggy pilot]

ah ok, thx

ill keep chugging COS +11 then

[lyric geode]

ok so, in higher keys it isnt viable because you have to cast all the time

gotcha

[warm plinth]

It's perfectly viable

[lyric geode]

I mean, you have to have shield wall

[warm plinth]

You have shockwave right?

[deep spruce]

Yeah it definitely drops, it looks cool af

[lyric geode]

Yes, but not all adds are stunable

Drake is not

[warm plinth]

If you are at risk of dying, you don't use it.

[spice orbit]

crit better than haste for defensive? o.o

[lyric geode]

centaurs on third boss are not

[mellow surge]

So you guys would go for Grieftorch? Over chest tier set?

[tulip kelp]

Why 11s? Might as well do 16s, I have like 40 primal things from farming lol

[lyric geode]

Difficult choice

[warm plinth]

Yes @mellow surge

[mellow surge]

I have 2 pretty good trinkets already

[warm plinth]

He has 2pc already. Easy choice

[jagged pier]

someone gets to do adds on broodkeeper i see

[mellow surge]

decoration of flame + all totem

[lyric geode]

Ah ok

Yes, easy choice

[warm plinth]

use it instead of flame imo

[lyric geode]

2 pc is so good

[ionic fern]

[lyric geode]

4 pc eh

[ionic fern]

It was on NM tho.

[mellow surge]

Oh okay

[ionic fern]

On HC i'm the boss boy.

😦

Since our paladin cries "TOO MUCH DAMAGE INTAKE".

[jagged pier]

i am always the boss boy

[craggy pilot]

i dont really need the ilvl upgrade for +16, and +16 is quite a lot harder than +11 which i can 2 chest for more loot

[mellow surge]

That good of a trinket huh? Was i lucky on my loot ?:D

[lyric geode]

Hahahaha

[craggy pilot]

if im gonna no life farm something, i wanna chill a bit while doing it 🤣

[lyric geode]

That

[limpid anchor]

Wdym more loot

[ionic fern]

My grimtotem parse is also garbage for some reason

And i can't remember why., 😦

[limpid anchor]

It’s a bit faster but the ilvl sucks on 11

[lyric geode]

I feel like I will be afraid of missing out these months

[jagged pier]

im blaming it on trinkets and the fact im having to stop dps now

cause aggro

[lyric geode]

I make a mediocre progression through keys

[jagged pier]

maybe i should move myself out of windfury

[limpid anchor]

How do you parse on council :(

[lyric geode]

15s

[limpid anchor]

I can’t seem todo dmg there

[jagged pier]

u make a build for it

[ionic fern]

^

[tulip kelp]

COS super free tho

[ionic fern]

Or abuse broken trinkets.

Like me.

[lyric geode]

But due to semester and shit, I have to take a break

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

why not both

[sage dune]

Any recommendation guys? Ring have socket and i only have tier on Head

[jagged pier]

u would have been r1 mwahi

[limpid anchor]

Send me your council build pls :)

[ionic fern]

I set a reminder for myself for this week to swap my build. 😄

[jagged pier]

go to warcraftlogs

and find me

not hard

[jagged pier]

120k on council no cap

with boon

[ionic fern]

I'm having HUUUUGE fps drops on council.

For some reason

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

At some set times.

No idea why tho.

:/

I think it's some WA messing up.

[queen bobcat]

Ok guys. BiS shield, or giga ilvl upgrade on tier gloves?

[jagged pier]

just turn graphic to 1 for that fight

[craggy pilot]

also on +16 PUGs will fuckup and leave mid dung

meaning 0 loot

[limpid anchor]

What’s your name tho

[lyric geode]

Council is bread and butter for protection

[ionic fern]

It is the lowest. 😦

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

But the game literally freezes.

For like 5s.

At certain points in the fight

[lyric geode]

lots of aoe

[jagged pier]

shield

[lyric geode]

Ah ok

[mellow surge]

giga bis shield

[ionic fern]

Like 30s into the fight it freezes.

Like clock-work.

[jagged pier]

plan boon?

for it

[tulip kelp]

Yeah def take that shield

[ionic fern]

But i can still use abilities during boon. 😦

[lyric geode]

OMFG, take shield

[ionic fern]

So i'd still miss dps.

[queen bobcat]

yeah, that's what I was thinking. But it hurts 😄

[jagged pier]

F

[mellow surge]

you could always craf ta 418ilvl shield

With the same stats

[jagged pier]

getting the shield is more DR than that piece of gear

[mellow surge]

418

[lyric geode]

I thought you meant upgrade

[mellow surge]

I belive right?

Oh ^^

[sick sentinel]

Should I always take set pieces? I dont raid and the setgloves is a massive downgrade ilvl wise over a very good helm

[lyric geode]

Yy

[mellow surge]

Alright im going for the dps trinket fuck it

I guess tier piece i can farm

[chrome lance]

hey guys, should i go for tier shoulders or the trinket here?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cQ4xm6fFT2h5KPiJgKEoR6

[lyric geode]

Keep in mind that we dont make tier pieces like in seplucher

[hardy snow]

yet :p

[uncut notch]

Boys these nerfs seem weird

None of the stuff that gives me shit has been nerfed

[limpid anchor]

What

[lyric geode]

Yet, but I dont see any plans of trying to make it

[ionic fern]

What gives you problems then?

[round pendant]

Why do you have like 30% less dps than me for the same-ish ilvl?

That's weird

talents I guess

[jagged pier]

i mean nothing should give u issues

your a tank

[mellow surge]

Ah ture

[jagged pier]

they are nerfing things dps and healers get 1 shot by

[lyric geode]

Like what?

[marble cipher]

wdym, it's literally already been said that there's a "catalyst" system coming in a few weeks

[round pendant]

tree boss gives me trouble because no one can hodl as they spawn and I can't get aggro before they slap a dps to death

[limpid anchor]

But it’s capped at 1 per week

[uncut notch]

yeah ive only really been doing 15s or so and found 99% of the time i have to wipe because everyone else is dead

[marble cipher]

it was capped in SL too, at one a week

[ionic fern]

The things that are giving me issues as a tank (RLP 2nd boss / Jade 3rd boss) are all fixable by healers actually healing me instead of DPS'ing.

[marble cipher]

at first

[deep spruce]

Like the arrow shooter boss in Nokhud

[ionic fern]

[chrome lance]

ahh i used some build from wowhead i think 😄 didnt look too much in it

[round pendant]

no joke I think the wowhead build stinks

[lyric geode]

uhhh, i remember. That shit hurts so little for me. But oh boy for the dds

[uncut notch]

I'd agree with those two being outliers

[jagged pier]

double SW and spell block no cap

[uncut notch]

And the cinderbolts just getting chain cast

[ionic fern]

I do Spell block both.

Double SW...eeh, no need atm yet.

[jagged pier]

well the group can intuprt and bring the bomb on the mobs to interrupt them

[ionic fern]

I just yell at my healer to heal me.

And plan IV/LS.

[jagged pier]

no need but easy if your healer is dpsing

[ionic fern]

Well, they still gotta heal me on Jade.

Since it's an absorb.

They just don't expect it usually.

At least not the pug healers.

Or they don't know that it's an absorb, idk.

[craggy pilot]

the absorb is giga small if i SW the cast

so if 2x SW then you can make 2 casts be giga small

[raven fjord]

Hey guys, can i get your opinion on what to choose? this belt would be a 23 ilvl upgrade, and tier piece is a 13 ilvl and could bump me to 4 set (got normal tier gloves in bags but 405 goldsteel gloves equipped)

[uncut notch]

Also on Jade serpent kick i get the Kachow from Spell reflecting but doesnt seem to do anything

[craggy pilot]

but then might not get both SW ready for the last nasty pack

[uncut notch]

is that the absorb being SR'd?

[lyric geode]

I feel that too.

[craggy pilot]

it reduces the size of it i believe

[lyric geode]

for some reason thir boss seems quite a hassle

[craggy pilot]

just SR all the tank busters on 3rd boss Temple

[round pendant]

We talking about the dragon lady?

[uncut notch]

its pain until the dragon then i sleep

[lyric geode]

Yep

For some reason last phase is easier than first phase

[craggy pilot]

i swap to Dstance for her entire P2

[round pendant]

That fight isn't too bad if your healer actually heals

tho it's just a stressful fight

[fiery veldt]

heelp 😦 LFR gloves is 2 set, i have cobalt shield ring and auto attack ring, and cloak/helm are meh

[lyric geode]

The only thing I dont seem to understand is the second boss at temple

[fiery veldt]

do i run a quick lfr for a chance at 2 set and take the ring?

[craggy pilot]

?

we started blasting him to 10 stacks, then swapping

[round pendant]

Never had an issue with it, don't cleave, attack til 10 stacks, switch target

[uncut notch]

damaging boss gives stacks, they radiate damage, more stacks, more damage, at 10 they get enraged

[ionic fern]

Does it?

[craggy pilot]

makes it 100 times easier for healer

[ionic fern]

🤔

Never noticed any difference.

[fiery veldt]

yea high keys force one immune

that damage is intense with both of them pulsing

[craggy pilot]

was pretty sure Nome said that DR reduced the size of the heal absorb 🤔

[jagged pier]

u should attack till 8

but okay

[tame jasper]

avoid frontal, its more than 360 degree. place whirlees on the outside, spellreflect casts on ukick otherwise

[craggy pilot]

but now that Mwahi says otherwise, im not so sure 🤣

[ionic fern]

I haven't really checked the absorb myself. Just always seems that it's roughly the same.

Will keep an eye on it today to test i guess.

[uncut notch]

SURELY youre not going right first?

[tame jasper]

if u have WL, sure better Lust timing

[ionic fern]

Since you're using a defensive for it regardless.

[craggy pilot]

might be because i was just full HP, that it looks less

[marble cipher]

attack till 7-8 is to keep both of them from going immune right?
I think these guys mean to attack to 10 so they'll force one to go immune and it lowers the aoe damage on the party because only one boss is active at any time?

[craggy pilot]

when i pop SR + DS + SW i take 0 hit, but i guess still the absorb 🤷‍♂️

[lyric geode]

1 question

[jagged pier]

its doesnt tho because of the erages

[echo canyon]

should i go for a good shielld or 2set boni for m+ ?

[lyric geode]

Does dots like roar and clap give stacks

[jagged pier]

and the stacks drop quicker if they dont reach 10

because u dont have to wait for the sheild

[craggy pilot]

if you go 10, it drops before you get the other to 10 anyway

[round pendant]

I don't know. When I first did the boss we went to 7 stacks and it was smooth as hell. Every other group I've been in goes to 10 and it's worse, but that's what everyone seems to do so I have no idea

[craggy pilot]

and it doesnt attack while immune

so less dmg going out to grp

your healer will thank you

[fiery veldt]

if heals can keep up with the damage of them both pulsing dont immune one <10 stacks if they're having a hard time just push one and then hard swap to the other while you wait and dont swap till that one goes immune

[lyric geode]

?

[craggy pilot]

but honestly i had this experience as well

so not really sure whats better

[fiery veldt]

depends on the level key

less than i'd say an 18 dont worry too much about it

[craggy pilot]

for some DPS classes its way easier to swap at 10 though

since they can just use their cleave spells and not worry

specifically Boomie probably

since some of their spells always hits 2 targets

[fiery veldt]

i believe it only stacks on what you're targeting i could be wrong though cause my bear cleaves the shit out of them and they never build stacsk

[craggy pilot]

cleave no, but applying dots ticks up

[tame jasper]

yeah which is "fun" with TC xD

[fiery veldt]

i dont know i run twin moons on my bear and it double moonfires all the time and i've never seen the stacks go up

[craggy pilot]

idk bro, my boomie was just happy as fk when we started doing 10-10

[limpid anchor]

I didn’t notice it going up with tc

[lone eagle]

Twin Moons procs it if you press it but not if it procs , I think

I believe certain pets proc it though

Warlock imps or Tyrant seemed to

[round pendant]

I'm getting so mad

I'm stuck with this 359 ring

CoS prob best dungeon to spam to upgrade? since I can get a chest upgrade there too 🤔

[tulip kelp]

Same, you get a matrix yet? I ended up crafting a 382 JC ring which I’m still waiting to replace

[round pendant]

That requires a spark, right? I've used my three already

[tulip kelp]

No spark needed for the matrix

Only goes to 382

[round pendant]

oh right, I getcha

I don't think I have a matrix IV tho

[median niche]

Any reason to Open vault as prot for trinkets or just go fury

[tulip kelp]

You could buy some tokens and get the BOE one heh

[limpid anchor]

You should never open a vault as fury

Unless you want 1h and 2h for whatever reason

[quartz sedge]

Bros... I need help, either I take Seal of Diurnas Chose (421, so Im leaning towards this) or I take tier legs (402 and get 2 set bonus), what do?

[median niche]

If I have a good shield and no trinkets are good why not. I asked if there are any good trinkets

[quasi moss]

Yeah always use prot/arms to loot, never fury

[limpid anchor]

[sonic eagle]

Hey bois! if anyone feel like they have some nice talents for mythic+ plz feel free to send them 🙂 kinda feel like i am missing something 🙂

[median niche]

Ok so let me rephrase the question. Is there any good trinkets for prot from dungeons?

[sonic eagle]

depends what its for

but the "hoof" from ruby is good

[jagged pier]

@sonic eagle

[sonic eagle]

ty!

[keen saddle]

Any chance for us prots to proc the fire ring damage from Eranog?

[sonic eagle]

if you have the helm with embelishment

yes

i dont even know if it has to be the helm but you can craft something that does fire damge im pretty sure. Some of my guildies told me they had to do it and it is worth it.

[amber siren]

the frostfire belt does

[jagged pier]

frostfire grieftorch

[keen saddle]

yeah just checked the frost fire belt

[jagged pier]

flame of delcration

[pearl grove]

But with the Flame of declaration do we only have a chance to proc ring when we use the trinket?

[jagged pier]

yes

which is why u use frostfire

[pearl grove]

Makes sense

[jagged pier]

but lots of things do fire damage

its not just forstfire that procs it

[pearl grove]

I crafted an belt with spikes cann i change that to frostfire or do i have to spend another spark on that?

[craggy pilot]

anyone know why high key streamers are running stuff like Bloodborne + ITF + Bolster?
Is bleed just better in high keys because mobs live longer?

[jagged pier]

no

[craggy pilot]

this is from Naowh stream, his stream is saying shit like "if you sub with prime you can get detailed description of talents"

i feel its just a major bait 🤣

20% more dmg on Thunder Roar with 1min CD sounds pretty sick tho

but giving up Punish is kinda yikes

[jagged pier]

not taking shockwave in high keys is dumb

not taking spell block dumb

not taking wall

dumb

[craggy pilot]

he played this in +22 Academy

[jagged pier]

using 2 points on bloodborune

[grim hornet]

I leaning into Hunger of the Pack here since you can't upgrade the Ruby, right?

[jagged pier]

for 1% damage gain

is dumb

running TLs kinda dumb

[hazy sluice]

love it. crafted a 405 1hand last week and now got a strike twice from weekly chest

[craggy pilot]

Bloodborne is only 1% gain? even with Uproar?

[jagged pier]

its very small

its less than tough as nails pretty much

or well

for a point to point basis

u have to use 2 for blood borune 1 for tough

and tough is like 4% damage

[tulip kelp]

That’s why I went arms for vault as soon as I crafted weapon and upgraded shield lol

[craggy pilot]

they failed +22, and then depleted +21 with 1 min over

@jagged pier this is his breakdown after +21

how is SS at #6 wtf

[jagged pier]

looks pretty arse for a breakdown

[craggy pilot]

is what i thought 🤣

77k overall though

[jagged pier]

its AA

[craggy pilot]

but i guess Stormcaller + Whetstone is carrying a bit

[jagged pier]

and he has 2 aoe trinkets

[zenith bridge]

Hello, I feel I get slammed sometimes even though I have big IP and shield block in 13s,14s. Could it be my small 374 shield or am I doing something wrong ? Maybe I should switch to Def stance ?

[jagged pier]

that literally give u dps for free

[craggy pilot]

where specifically?
and do you have a log? 🙂

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern first pwar key of the expansion 😊

[hazy sluice]

can i destroy a crafted item to kinda get the spark back?

[craggy pilot]

no

[ionic fern]

How'd it go?

[jolly granite]

Is it still the case that you can only wear 2 embelishments?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[warm plinth]

Pretty well. I'm very rusty lol

[jagged pier]

yes

[warm plinth]

I haven't played prot since like...BFA

[jolly granite]

and the embelishment from the feast does not count right?

[craggy pilot]

exactly

and alchemist stone doesnt count

Darkmoon Deck etc

[bleak kraken]

How good is the 2p and 4p bonus for us? cant decide for vault

[jagged pier]

good

[craggy pilot]

2p good, 4p hmm

[tulip kelp]

I was watching nerftank and he seems to be running BSV a lot lately.. prob not needed for the keys I do tho

[jolly granite]

So I got the Ring from first boss and already have lariat and 1H weapeon with embelishment. So I need to recraft the weapon to the alchy embelishment right so that I can wear frost fire belt?

[jagged pier]

nerftank need BSV because he cant play the class

[craggy pilot]

you can also recraft weapon to no embellish

[jagged pier]

and yes u wont need bsv

[craggy pilot]

if you dont wanna pay big gold for alchemical thing

[craggy pilot]

the streamer special

[jagged pier]

i mean im not giving my time of day to someone who couldnt keep banner up for longer than a minute in S3 and S4 for Sls

also couldnt keep dancing rune wep up all the time which was much easier

hes just a case of having a good group

[jolly granite]

thx. gonna save the 50k for the enchant

[jagged pier]

which is all u need for io

[tulip kelp]

Haha fair enough

[craggy pilot]

people really pay 50k for enchants? 🤔

i buy the ones for <10k only

[zenith bridge]

No, not right now but for example, last pack temple of jade

[sick sentinel]

I'd consider it on a 418

[craggy pilot]

last pack of Temple is yikes

you need to Hunter Trap etc one of the minions

and then Spell Reflect

[jolly granite]

paid around 30k for frozen devotion rank 2. but dont regret it due to the nice dmg. but this one...

[sick sentinel]

The last pack requires a bit of cc unless you pop lust and all defensives tbh

[craggy pilot]

you can also Stun the Dark Claw cast if you are fast, and reset the cast CD

i wait for CCing the Dark Claw with my Mob CD tracker on Nameplate

helps a lot

i feel so huge when i Quaking Palm a Dark Claw cast

and then the next one i can Spell Reflect ❤️

[jagged pier]

or

spell block

[craggy pilot]

i know, but im practicing to avoid taking Spell Block in that dung

[jagged pier]

ppl gunna cry when they fix spell block tho

[craggy pilot]

if you get the Dark Claws lined up, you can Reflect every 2nd Dark Claw

[ionic fern]

On a +20 Fortified..i actually ran out of CD's before that pack died.

No kidding.

[craggy pilot]

fix?

[ionic fern]

SW/Spell Block, everything.

Had to still kite a bit.

[jagged pier]

if u ran double wall

[craggy pilot]

run Double SW 😄

he is too proud Jakey

[jagged pier]

and spell block doesnt have a mitigation cap atm

[craggy pilot]

think about Prot Palas

[jagged pier]

so u can take literally 0 damage with spell block up

[craggy pilot]

who just have Spell Block baseline SMH

[tulip kelp]

The R3 ones are 90-100K and most people I see in groups have them lol

[ionic fern]

Yes, i know...

I just said

I ran out of CD's.

[craggy pilot]

ye fk that shit lol

[ionic fern]

As in i used them all.

[craggy pilot]

i just buy Burning Writ Rank 2

[ionic fern]

And the pack was still alive.

[jagged pier]

i was answering niels question

[ionic fern]

😂

Ah, okay.

But idk..double wall.

[ionic fern]

No.

Maybe this week if i do a +20 tyrannical.

We'll see.

[craggy pilot]

didnt know it was bugged 😄

[ionic fern]

Just kiting a bit at the end was also w/e tbh.

And our DPS was kinda..suboptimal.

[craggy pilot]

but tbh its easier if you have DPS with brain

who nuke the Minion one at a time

and then Hunter CC one of the minions

and pull it in when the others are dead

so you can cleave

so much easier since i changed color of Minion nameplate, so i can see them in pack

special colors on mobs in M+ is fucking hugest thing i did for myself this season

anyone have DPS comparison of Glacial Fury and Eye in the Storm Phial? 🤔

[tulip kelp]

I just use eye in M+ cause it’s like a third the price

[marble cipher]

(offtopic, but I assume Plater?)

[sick sentinel]

guys. help me! gloves are the only slot i already have 400+ Helm would be a 20 ilvl upgrade

[craggy pilot]

yes

i use Quazii setup

and i modify the Colors on packs that i feel needs it

[marble cipher]

maybe this expansion is the expansion I'll ditch elvui nameplates for plater...

[sick sentinel]

Dont have any tier pieces already

[craggy pilot]

i thought ElvUI just uses some version of Plater anyway

[timber arrow]

What should I upgrade to 418 first (all 405 currently): Lariat, Frostfire Belt, or 1h wep (non-emb)?

[marble cipher]

not as customizable iirc (or I haven't found it yet)

[craggy pilot]

ah no clue bro, never used ElvUI

dont like having everything in 1 thing

[dull frost]

do prot warriors do fire damage?

lol

[marble cipher]

with first boss ring, yes

[dull frost]

I got the Seal of Diurma

[craggy pilot]

if you have specific items yes

Frostfire Belt, or some specific Trinkets

or the Embellish helmet

[echo scarab]

its not the ring doing fire damage

[jolly granite]

When doing a recraft of a rank 5 weapon to clean embelishment. Is there a chance that it falls back to level 4?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[jolly granite]

shit

[rigid gulch]

Hey. Is it worth to take tier set item with much lower item level for 2 piece bonus?

[tawdry dirge]

how many ilvls is the 4set worth it?

[jagged pier]

🤷

[fresh merlin]

Yes

[golden totem]

what dungeons do u guys play spell block on?

saw someone use SBG

[worn mulch]

Noob question maybe, new to tanking, do i go defensive stance or battle stance? I see everyone doing huge dmg while i'm always way behind, i thought def stance was for tanking and battle for dps? Or am i just wrong 🤣

[static aspen]

When u dont die

Play more dps

And when u die

Play more defensive

[jagged pier]

d stance is a defesnive ability or cd lets say

u shouldnt be in it all the time

[static aspen]

I run keys 100% in battle stance unless i start to die, then i either toggle or just run full dstance if i do super hard key and in taking too much damage

[worn mulch]

Okay thanks 👌🏻

[marble cipher]

yeah, my bad, it's belt+ring that's the "combo", with belt doing the actual fire damage

[quick fossil]

Can you use dwarf racial to remove searing wounds dot from Kokia in RLP? It's a bleed right

[uncut dome]

For the hidden artifact from legion, do i need to read that rune every time before or just read it once and just pray to RNG jesus?

[wanton lance]

how long until prot gets nerfed? 🙃

[uncut dome]

Not before next patch i assume

[dire matrix]

is it only tjs worth running spell block

[craggy pilot]

looool

after 20+ COS

and 15+ Nokhud

i did 1 Temple today for score

Ele shaman hard inting

but i got

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[craggy pilot]

2500 valor, but worth it ❤️

[ionic fern]

Run it wherever you need it.

[echo spindle]

Hello. What ability/talent pulls through floors(snaps)? Had it happen multiple dungeons. Ex.: SBG fighting top spiders, pulled bottom spiders. OR Azure Vaults, first ring after 1st boss, pulled packs from 2nd ring bellow. Always pulls from beneath.

[quick fossil]

Thank you

[ionic fern]

Some trinkets and Shocking Disclosure pots.

[dire matrix]

just tryna think where else you can reflect a lot of spells

in that time period

[ionic fern]

Spell Block doesn't reflect.

[rough solar]

421 and 408 neck (have lariat), 2x 418 legs (have 415 tier), 408 tier chest (picked this one last week). At least the mastery/haste boots is a 10 ilvl upgrade 🙃

[dire matrix]

meant block

[ionic fern]

Generally, wherever there is a lot of magic damage is a no brainer.

🤷

[dire matrix]

just woke up srty

😄

[echo spindle]

rumbling ruby and the whelpling one

[ionic fern]

RLP/TJS/AV come to mind.

[dire matrix]

i thought most the tav spells werent particularly lethal

unless it blocks ice cutter

[dapper shuttle]

For bis rings should I just focus on haste? Wowhead/icy veins say different rings for bis.

[dire matrix]

i guess thats a spell?

[uncut dome]

What embelishments are you guys running? COnsideirng neck / wrist

[ionic fern]

What ever sims the highest.

[uncut dome]

Ah

[ionic fern]

What ever sims the highest. Haste+X is always solid.

[uncut dome]

I didnt know if there was a clear cut winner of embelishments imhoi

[craggy pilot]

boys, what is my Vers goal? 🤣

[dapper shuttle]

For sure I was wondering why the seal rings were marked as BIS? Is that only the case if we use decoration of flame I’m assuming?

[ionic fern]

You can also proc them with the Frostfire belt.

[jagged pier]

no u use frostfire

[sudden gazelle]

Okay what are the worst m+ on tyrannical?

[ionic fern]

What ever you struggle with.

[jagged pier]

they are all bad

dependant on your healer mostly

not u

[craggy pilot]

Enchants are about 25% uptime or what? 🤔

33% crit when my Wep enchant procs 😄

28% parry

[nova egret]

guys i just started playing my prot warri again and have a choice in my vault i'd love your input on:

• I have a 372 shield on and got 398 normal raid Broodsworn Legionnaire's Pavise --> this seems like an easy pick, but its not upgradable ofc...
• i could also upgread my chest by 29 ilvl (!) to a 411

[visual musk]

is it tier chest?

[nova egret]

no tier

[visual musk]

do you have a spark to craft a shield?

[nova egret]

no spark

[warm plinth]

Then shield

[digital crag]

what do you guys recommend to equip : 376 Decoration of Flame, 382 Primal Ritual Shell or 395 Static Charged SCale ? my 2nd trinket is 395 whsipering incarnate

[warm plinth]

static charged scale

[visual musk]

yea probably shield since you cant craft one. wtf did you spark craft?

[warm plinth]

inb4 lariat, belt, and weapon

[gusty vessel]

Hey y’all should I get 382 tier chest or 395 boots (that aren’t even BiS)?

[nova egret]

i didnt craft anything, but i just started this char and have no clue of crafting 😄

[warm plinth]

RIP, I was wrong

[visual musk]

lmfao

whelp. i wouldnt take the shield. go get your sparks and get it crafted probably

and just take the chest for ilvl until tier. but only if you actually go get one crafted

but thats just imo obv

[blazing condor]

whats a reasonable price for a 418 recraft on a wep yall think

[slim dove]

i paid 0g besides mats.

varies by server what crafters expect.

[warm plinth]

You should ask the original crafter tbh. A lot will do it free or for like 5k

[blazing condor]

so anyone done any testing on the flavor pocket? does it stack with panda racial

[normal birch]

Are the proc rings from raid worth getting as prot war? (Fire dmg and absorb)

[warm plinth]

There's nothing to stack

Panda is double the effect. Embellishment is double duration

[blazing condor]

oh

yeah you rite

[marble cipher]

Since that food embellishment was expensive, I don't wanna buy it again. Does it go away on a recraft?

[noble sapphire]

It shouldn't afaik

Like with lariat sockets

[warm plinth]

No, no enchants/sockets/etc go away on recraft.

You can make embellishments go away but they stay by default

[marble cipher]

Nice, thanks!

[brittle urchin]

Hi, Does anyone have a Bis Sheet for prot ?

[ionic fern]

Hello.

There is no such thing.

[brittle urchin]

Mhmm where i can find my Bis gears or emblishmend items

[ionic fern]

Raidbots.com

[livid aurora]

Should I keep this and keep upgrading it or craft primal molten longsword at 405?

[worthy linden]

i did 5m dmg with reflect on last boss of nokhud???

[blazing condor]

sounds about right

[craggy pilot]

sounds normal

[worthy linden]

why would anyone play another tank here then

[craggy pilot]

cus they dont know better

[blazing condor]

if you have fang adornments on the wep the 405 is probably better (unless strike twice procs more often)

but thats just me speculating

[craggy pilot]

might as well save the embellish slot for something else

[blazing condor]

yeah

[craggy pilot]

Fang is not "better" than anything else

[blazing condor]

you lose an embellishment on it

[craggy pilot]

and Strike Twice is free bonus dmg

[livid aurora]

So stick to strike twice then 😄

[craggy pilot]

i would, but depends how you feel about spending 2000+ valor on it

[dire matrix]

can you just reflect the 2nd hit of NO boss

and be fine

[craggy pilot]

which boss?

[dire matrix]

4th

[craggy pilot]

you wanna reflect the Conductive always

Thunder strike is not big dmg

[dire matrix]

is conductive the debuff

[random elbow]

Yea

[craggy pilot]

yes

[dire matrix]

how on earth did that hit 5m

over the course of a fight

[craggy pilot]

you reflect the dot onto boss, so he takes ticking dmg

[dire matrix]

i see

[random elbow]

You can also dip out and in on 2nd boss every time spell reflect is rdy

[craggy pilot]

the dot ticks mad dmg

[random elbow]

For some nice free dmg

[bronze delta]

Conductive on last boss on Offensive and Dragonstrike on last boss of Azure Vault - those are big mechanics which War negates with reflects