protection

[tender cove]

wow 😄

[wanton shale]

when we get catalysts to create tier pieces, do we keep sockets/tertiary stats?

[sand pebble]

yes we did in slands

[median tulip]

assuming that it works how the catalyst in SL did, yes

[wanton shale]

sweet!

[left cave]

is 4p bonus huge?

[sand pebble]

its a nice to have imo

it doesnt extend ip time, just adds to it

[left cave]

friend is telling me ima be sad if i get the normal shoulders form vault and not the 418 legs and if i drop the shoulders in raid its a rip

[median tulip]

It's effectively 5% leech

[left cave]

im like buttt 4p ill have tho

[sand pebble]

so off you go dumping all rage into revenge then ip runs out of time

[young rivet]

ne1 got a WA to track vanguard determination buff?

[left cave]

so..would you grab the 418 legs and just wait for shoulders/chest?

[warm plinth]

You can make one very easily with a template, but there's no reason to track it; it doesn't change your gameplay.

[left cave]

or just make 4p happen now

[tender cove]

You obvs want to take the ilvl above it. so just go for it.

[sand pebble]

i play all 3 specs, i took tier

[young rivet]

i can't find the spell id and the name is completing

[left cave]

well my current shoulders are 372

[sand pebble]

but having huge ilvl legs that you can upgrade to tier in a few weeks is also huge

[left cave]

the legs are tier already

[sand pebble]

if shoulders are an up, take them imo

[compact jackal]

How odd. When I do a full sim of bis gear etc, strand of the stars ends up better than scorched-bone.

[feral dune]

does spell block work on raz?

[warm shell]

do we use howling runes or primal wht/weightstone on weapons?

[mystic fog]

yes @ maxer

[feral dune]

on everythin?

[left cave]

pmed you

[compact jackal]

Why would you use it on Rasz 🤔

[vast rivet]

Well, I am here again to ask what to do with my wall hole

[tawny kiln]

drywall

[vast rivet]

is it seal?

[warm plinth]

what ilevel is your shield

[vast rivet]

405, but i am 2 Concentrated primal focus off 418

so ill get that this week

[warm plinth]

hmm, idk. I would probably go for the trinket over the ring since that's the shield ring iirc?

[vast rivet]

it is the shield ring

i have the trinker

sorry should have said

same ilvl got in raid this week

[warm plinth]

Oh

Then yeah I suppose ring is the best option

[slim dove]

tree is actually a joke now

so much time to kill lashers before burst forth

[tender cove]

it got nerfed?

[fading tide]

Ruby 15 kinda nightmarish or not too bad

[slim dove]

huge

https://www.wowhead.com/news/algethar-academy-mythic-hotfix-overgrown-ancient-tree-boss-nerfed-330828

Burst Forth now occurs 14 seconds after Germinate (was 6 seconds).

[tender cove]

did it 15 min ago, 54 minutes, 68 deaths.

[toxic pewter]

I dunno I actually find rlp pretty easy

[slim dove]

basically you have an 8 second window after second germinate

[toxic pewter]

Just gotta stop stuff

[slim dove]

to kill/dps lashers on ground before burst forth

[tender cove]

pretty huge ye

[median tulip]

Bah - that's a bad change - it wasn't hard anyway

[sick sentinel]

finished that tree today

[tender cove]

In a competent group? im sure its far easier. But in a random pug without voice come and drooling idiots? its very very punishing

[toxic pewter]

Be sure you use all the stops you can it helps a lot

[tender cove]

I died twice to frigid shard but outside of that, only that dot on the 2nd boss ticking for 100k dmg is hard for me to tank. Rest is just healer not being able to heal or dps not using utility.

[halcyon dust]

Very lucky on vault drops. 3 vault weeks yielded 3 tier pieces, all different slots. Got shoulders from raid this past week also.

[median tulip]

Hardest thing in RLP is the corridor full of adds before the first boss and getting DPS to not Butt-Pull the ones on the left

[toxic pewter]

Yah second boss be ready to have spell reflect/shield wall for that hard hitting melee she does

Or any defensive really

Spell block prob helps too

[tender cove]

i tried playing with spell block ye but I dunno, in the heat of the moment? doesnt feel that valueable or strong

[slim dove]

it doesnt

its a physical bleed.

[deep spruce]

How ARE people dealing with that dot on 2nd boss RLP?

[slim dove]

dwarf.

[deep spruce]

that absolutely shreds me every time

[slim dove]

also rotate defensives + externals.

group dmg is very low tbh

[mellow quartz]

Wall, external, wall, dwarf, LS and demo shout for IP spam

[outer sluice]

hmmm

[deep spruce]

yeah, let me reroll alliance quick

[outer sluice]

left 2 are equiped, right is vault option

[tender cove]

dying to it xD

[slim dove]

bring evoker then.

[tender cove]

Had one death recap, it was ticking 100k every second

[slim dove]

Only class that external cleanse bleed.

[deep spruce]

True

[tender cove]

I had an evoker healer. Guess he wasnt that good xD

[deep spruce]

Will tell my groups resto druid to reroll 😄

[slim dove]

devoker can do it also.

[deep spruce]

whats the cd on it though?

[slim dove]

1 minute iirc.

[deep spruce]

once per minute?

yea

[tender cove]

my biggest issue this week was missing the previous week, so I had zero runs and zero score, having to run with 1.5k io ppl

[slim dove]

missing free week def an L

lol

[dire matrix]

the nerfs are great

[slim dove]

i didn't feel any were really required.

[dire matrix]

i only levelled my war 3 days ago

managed to get 4 18s done for vault

[slim dove]

but 95% of population can't handle holding CDs for tree so

[dire matrix]

having a main helps

cuz missing a week of score

but has main showing

[leaden shuttle]

am i suppose to be going fast enough so that i +3 mythic dungeons for the timer? im currently at +5, around 376 ilvl. i do prob 2 packs at max per pull

[tender cove]

nah, i finally gave up and joined a guild this week. cba playing with randoms so guess i'll gotta schedlue a day for raiding so I can play m+ xD

[dire matrix]

do a lot of damage

if your low ilvl u cant really go huge

the mobs just have fuck all hp tho

+3ing doesnt really matter that much

[oblique quarry]

Send help, I can either get third peace of teir OR Seal of Diurna's at 408 from my vault.

[leaden shuttle]

so all good as long as i beat the timer yeh?

[slim dove]

yup

dont concern yourself with 3 chesting shit in pugs

the only dungeons i really 3 chest at this stage are shadowmoon and the occasional court.

[leaden shuttle]

ok thanks

[ripe cave]

Anyone know if you can equip 3 peices with embellishments and wether it grays out one of them or if it doesnt let you wear it at all?

[dire dagger]

Hey, i was wondering how do you survive the 3rd boss of ToJS on high keys on her 2nd phase, everytime i go through all my cds for Jade Serpent Kick, and when i have none left i get my ass blasted. Is there any talent that could help with that?

[compact jackal]

doesn't let you equip it

[fading halo]

is going thorns on our shield worth it?

[fathom nova]

So, is there a reason I shouldn't just macro shield block? Seems like with the basic spec I'm using, it's 100% uptime

[fading halo]

its like 5k damage randomly, doesnt seem that amazing tbh

[zealous grove]

This might be the one case where I’d tell someone to not go tier….

[warm plinth]

Utilize impending victory, last stand, health pots, and healthstones to help get rid of the healing absorb.

[zealous grove]

You can IV every second

[sterile bough]

after how many are u left without defensives

[dire dagger]

Prolly around 4 - 5

[zealous grove]

A full stack ignore pain makes it hurt less but cycling IV > defensive is enough to get you through usually

[tulip kelp]

Whats the best trinkets for M+ from heroic raid?

[dire dagger]

I try to save Demoralizing shout for her 2nd phase

[sterile bough]

just pray for healer harder

[zealous grove]

Well actually idk what “high keys” means. I haven’t done a tyrannical TJS above 16. But the 19s fort were okay

[dire dagger]

And I sometimes clutch it, but it is really hard to survive

[zealous grove]

Whispering incarnate icon and then it depends

[sterile bough]

on 22 fort it was absolut bin chilin to live

just need a good healer to heal u

[tulip kelp]

Is totem good?

[dire dagger]

Kkay, thanks for the tips! Gonna try it on my next runs tyvm

[slim dove]

very good

[dark prairie]

where to look for mythic raid grp? and what ilvl to start

[sterile bough]

u dont

its too early

[zealous grove]

They find you

[sterile bough]

for now I guess u need to find a guild

pugging mythic rn is cursed

[tender cove]

Any reason why you would want a DH tank for CoS? Seen it twice this week in the title "pref DH tank".

[pallid quiver]

DH in general

[warm plinth]

Because people are toos tupid to do the find the spy game at the end

[dark prairie]

lol

[warm plinth]

too stupid*

[pallid quiver]

Can spectral sight skip the minigame

[zealous grove]

I was gonna try pug eranog weekly mythic just for ring but I bought heroic one for 175k

[tender cove]

ahh, okok

[warm plinth]

You can't skip it anyway. You still have to get all 5 clues, which at that point it's easy anyway.

[zealous grove]

Toos tupid

[pallid quiver]

It also can slightly save time if people can mash the clues fast enouigh

yeah but you have to look is what you skip

[tender cove]

is there any visual tell to the mob? I know how the minigame works but never really can see any diff in the mobs even after 5/5 clues

[pallid quiver]

And especially if you're not used to quickly cutting the limits down (like me), it can be convenient

[zealous grove]

You have to use the clues

[warm plinth]

They are all different 👀

[pallid quiver]

The clues tell you what they're wearing or not wearing, so

[wanton shale]

there's a WA that draws the front/back 3d model of ur target so you can see easier for lazy ppl who don't want to get up close to look lol

[sterile bough]

5% magic dmg

[pallid quiver]

Whether they have potions on belt or not, gloves or not, etc

[warm plinth]

Gender, light/dark vest, short/long sleeves, cloak/no cloak, special item (potions, book), gloves/no gloves

[sterile bough]

they think its gonna make a diff

[zealous grove]

Also I guess orb and tome

[tender cove]

while bringing all melee xD

[sterile bough]

well then they dont have eyes to look for the spy themselves

[slim dove]

ive played with dh entire season so ive just signed off on ever having to do minigame

[pallid quiver]

i just kinda hate it existing in a timed setting

it feels bad

It's neat to have non-combat stuff in M+ dungeons

but it just feels bad to me, which matters a lot more

[fading tide]

I got that BIS ring from nokhud, I’m good to pump valor into right?

[tender cove]

i'm tank, i have to focus on doing the tank stuff, not some puny minigame, so I also just pretend its not my job 😄

[pallid quiver]

Like how Nokhud feels like ass because of just sitting there clearing mobs in a stationary area like 75% of the time for count purposes

[tender cove]

Only dungeons i really enjoy atm is, halls, court and academy.
Only one I just cant stand is ruby, not so much for the tuning but it just sucks, go in a circle, kill the exact same pack and repeat. Noty

the rest is sorta, just there i guess xD

[median tulip]

The clues can actually be wrong, believe it or not. I had one run where the clue was "no gloves" and we eventually found the imposter wearing gloves

[median tulip]

I fucking detest Nokhud. It's got the Halls of Atonement disease where it looks like an open-plan free-form dungeon, but it's actually incredibly linear and boring.

[pallid quiver]

Not gonna lie, how much I like a given dungeon depends entirely on the pugs the fates have gifted me

Do they have trouble not standing in the brown germinate swirls on academy tree boss? Academy sucks

do they know they have wasd keys? Academy's fun

[tender cove]

Mine is entirly based on what I find hard or annoying to tank.

[tulip kelp]

SOme just feel like they're way too big and long.. like AV

[inland schooner]

Can anyone recommend a good video guide for prot warrior?

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know if they patched nokhud end boss skip

[torn gust]

did one today and it still works

[sharp bone]

for tree boss it helps telling pugs to move clockwise when stacked

[mystic fog]

how often does frostfire belt proc

[willow valley]

is kurog trinket bis? or good?

[sterile bough]

whats kurog trinket

the grieftorch?

[urban portal]

says 3 ppm on wowhead

seems ok

[shell fox]

@urban portal hey dude

you like dragons?

[mystic fog]

i got the two rare rings from the raid, wondering if i should create a frostfire belt to proc the proc

[vernal flax]

Can you survive raz pushback without leap up?

[slim dove]

kurog trinket is all-totem.

[slim dove]

yes

[mystic fog]

i also have a 398 signet of melandrus

[hardy fractal]

is a socket item better than a leech roll for tanking

[golden tartan]

should i do lfr to learn tanking in raids?

[hardy fractal]

lfr is a crapshoot so i wouldnt try to learn much there imo

[golden tartan]

i might practice on timewalking dungeons

on reset

for dungeons specifically

[tender cove]

OMG

WHAT A HERO MOMENT

xD

solo'd the last boss in cos for 1.6 million

with 27 seconds left on timer

😄

[golden tartan]

thats a shit ton of damage tbh

in 27sec

[tender cove]

noo, i finished it with 27 secs left

not in 27 sec

[golden tartan]

i had a bdk solo like 5mil damage cuz everyone died lmao

on cos

and timer was 5sec off

😦

[toxic mesa]

i stepped on a wrong rune on odin and we missed the timer by 1.7 seconds, mvp

[tender cove]

I really needed that. What a high... Felt so shit all week and then, boom, savior of the run

[golden tartan]

as a dpser those bdk's stress me out cuz they go to 1% hp then regen to 100% instantly and im leaping like a maniac cuz i dont want aggro

[upbeat dust]

Have anyone tested this? proc rate/values is it worth?

Just got it and currently I'm using Primal Ritual Shell (turtle buff) and Decoration of Flame (Eranog)

[tender cove]

People with barking dogs that sleep trough their barking shouldnt be allowed to have dogs...

[toxic mesa]

btw, about close calls...
our HoV run today: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/7812426-18-halls-of-valor
😄

[golden tartan]

i might run my own keys as a prot so i wouldnt feel bad about other ppl key

[sharp bone]

its pretty meh, does like 0.6-1% of my dmg in keys, strictly dps speaking

[golden tartan]

whilst learning

[tender cove]

what you talking about? Plenty of time left 😄

[toxic mesa]

yeah ;D

[tender cove]

im surpised it even counts in milliseconds tbh, nice rounding up 😉

[toxic mesa]

i think my bossmods said it was 0.4 seconds, but rio is saying 0.525

[upbeat dust]

ty for feedback

also just got this one, looks nice in theory

[primal hound]

how much % blocked hits yall have in m+ keys?

[tender cove]

they should make it so charge doesn't trigger traps and shit, feels so bad when you just clip smt on the side and still get caught

[toxic mesa]

havent checked, but considering shield block uptime is pretty close to 100%, id say all attacks are blocked unless you turn your back against the mobs

[primal hound]

how are you reaching anything near then 90% shield block uptime. I mean like there is time between pulls 😄

[tender cove]

what do you mean?

[primal hound]

I mean, I dont cast shield block when I am not pulling anything

the walks from 1 group or boss to another

[tender cove]

why would that lower your uptime?

if anything, it should increase it?

[primal hound]

ah damn, got it

[fair oxide]

Is there a massive enough difference between the crafted mace and the crafted sword that I should wait for the sword?

[tender cove]

you also have talent that makes shield block duration longer on top of extending it.

[primal hound]

i was somehow thinking the uptime is calculated on actual time in key

[tender cove]

nah, the uptime is based on your melee hits taken and what % of those are blocked

[toxic mesa]

as far as i know, there is no difference at all

[fair oxide]

I.. didn't think so? But everything has been saying "Craft the swooooooooooord" - and I went maces.

[primal hound]

damn, I thought like if you reach 90% uptime on shieldblock this means that you have shieldblock up in the fights for 90%.

[tender cove]

easy thing to confuse tbh

[primal hound]

and not that this is based on melee hits taken and % block

[toxic mesa]

yes, that's what it means

[primal hound]

huh

[tender cove]

no it doesn't. 100% uptime means you have 100% uptime on all the melee hits taken that you can block. Not if you have shield block active for 90% of a 30 min dungeon?

[primal hound]

Nah i meant 90% of infight time

not actual the whole time in the dungeon

[tender cove]

yes and unless warrior calculates it differently from say paladin, you count the blocked hits, which should be 100% or close to it

[upbeat dust]

necroing but...how did your tests go?

[tender cove]

like, if you go into warcraftlogs and look at auras and blocked hits

[smoky dock]

Question for raid single target which would be bigger damage Rumbling Ruby or Hoof or All totem?

[toxic mesa]

no, buff uptimes are buff uptimes, when talking about shield block uptime, it means that how much of a percentage of the combat time your shield block buff is active, nothing else

[tender cove]

thats what matters, not the duration in seconds

[forest tulip]

in the azure vault on the last boss should i try to help kill the crystals or just focus kiting the orbs?

[toxic mesa]

blocks outside of shield block are just rng mitigation and have nothing to do with shield block uptime

[forest tulip]

it was a +4

[tender cove]

why would you count the active time rather than the % of blocked hits?

[toxic mesa]

because the active time is something you can affect

by your own gameplay

[tawny kiln]

so is the % of blocked hits

[tender cove]

maybe im just tired but I dont get this. Can you explain like im stupid?

[tawny kiln]

active time is a proxy for blocked hits

[primal hound]

maybe because the % of blocked hits is shown in Melee dmg taken?

[tawny kiln]

but you can just look at the % of blocked hits, you don't need a proxy

[unique shale]

which one ?

[tawny kiln]

It's not as important right now when you can have basically 100% up time of block anyways

more important when talents don't allow that, and you have to be more judicious about when you use block

[primal hound]

so it would make more sense that 90% uptime on shieldblock is 90% shieldblock uptime infight rather then actual % of blocked hits.

[primal hound]

yeah true

[urban portal]

'blocked hits is much better

who cares if your uptime is high if you arent blocking anything

[tawny kiln]

like if the boss is doing some effect that prevents them from meleeing

[urban portal]

you can have 99% uptime and they all auto you during that 1%

[primal hound]

yeah, right

[tawny kiln]

having uptime during that time period isn't useful

[primal hound]

got it, thanks guys for the explanation 🙂

[toxic mesa]

by using your rage and shield slam actively, you can achieve higher % of shield block uptime - effectively 100% at like 20+% haste

[tender cove]

But why does it matter?

[tawny kiln]

If a pwar was only able to maintain 80% uptime of the SB buff, then blocked hits becomes a much more differentiating number

for instance

[toxic mesa]

it matters that if you are NOT playing properly, you are not reaching 100% uptime

[tawny kiln]

when you're able to approximate 100% uptime, the two numbers are going to be similar

[vapid mountain]

any1 tested this shit?

[urban portal]

shield block uptime has no impact on your play

[smoky dock]

Question for raid single target which would be bigger damage Rumbling Ruby or Hoof or All totem

[urban portal]

rather your play has no impact on shield block uptime

its not reprisal

[tender cove]

What an absolute joke of a shitgame... PLZ STOP GIVING ME RLP CONSTANTLY 😦

[urban portal]

sim

[woeful trellis]

https://prnt.sc/JzW17KxxXUFF

do i take him over 415 legs 😄

[toxic mesa]

yes, dog shit at least on 398 as fury
annoying to use, low damage

[tawny kiln]

I wish you could downgrade a key without doing another key, even if it was like a -3 or something lol

[tawny kiln]

downgrade/swap

[sick sentinel]

any idea what to take ?

[tender cove]

100% i would accept a +2 key loss for doing that. Lets write a peitition

[toxic pewter]

Dang that’s a solid vault wish I got a vault like that

[sick sentinel]

head make me 4/5 btw

[tender cove]

gz lol

[tender cove]

if you dont take windscar, we cant be friends, just saying

[toxic pewter]

My vault basically made me take 421 kickball trinket what a mistake that was

[toxic mesa]

my 398 kickball was doing like 2% of my damage as fury, popping it on cd

annoying and outright bad

[toxic pewter]

It’s just awful

[tawny kiln]

I'd take windscar or ring

[toxic pewter]

Half the time I can’t even kick the damn balls

[tawny kiln]

both are going to be more rare than tier

IMO

[toxic mesa]

yeah sometimes they just dont even trigger

[tender cove]

isnt it just 1 week left until we can make tier anyhow?

[tawny kiln]

I think it's the 24th?

it's not super long either way

[toxic mesa]

lol 421 2h, 421 bis 1h and super uber 411 trinket from raid 😄

[tender cove]

Does anyone else have this weird bug where you charcater just starts spinning like crazy and it wont stop until you /reload and it still just keeps spinning but after /reload you can move again and it stop

its the most annoying, gamebreaking bug i've encounter in 15 years... Comes like once per hour

[atomic flicker]

Why is my sim 4000 in the que at 4am

People need to go to bed

[tender cove]

eu reset 5 min ago

[nova sentinel]

prot war - not raiding much (pugging) already got 2p gloves / chest not sure on this week pick 🤔 any help appreciated

[atomic flicker]

Oh I thought the vault didnt open for another 4 hours

[slim dove]

likely 418 shoulders but we dont know your character.

[atomic flicker]

Christ on a bike

My vault has 2 set pieces

both I already have

[winged maple]

does protection warrior deal "fire damage"? I received the ring in the loot table from vault that has a spell that deal extra fire dmg if i deal dmg.

[tawny kiln]

not natively

the frostfire belt from sparks will produce it

or I think the turtle trinket

[atomic flicker]

Decoration of flame aswell

although that probly doesnt proc enough to justify

[tender cove]

they changed it recently to be 5 and 6 am again (depends on winter/summertime)

Which is ironic because the reason they changed it from 3am back in the day was to prevent degen shit like setting alarm and waking up early for it... Had at least 3-4 ppl outside vault saying they did that

[atomic flicker]

Im pretty sure my best option is gunna be to take the tokens out of my vault

[tender cove]

the ring? isnt that very strong with the belt?

no idea, just what ive read here.

[digital frigate]

I got

the 415 melandros ring

q_q

[tender cove]

I had the easiest vault choice ever.. I had 411 tier and rest was garbage

[atomic flicker]

Its the trinket that does fire dmg

and give s you a shield

[brisk gust]

Lads 408 item Set-piece or 415 Piece

[cosmic lichen]

what are you spending your sparks on? I have the lariat and the wristguards so far,. my weapon is 389

shield is 402

[tulip kelp]

Is grieftorch good for prot?

[forest tulip]

in your opinion which tank is a good alt to compliment a prot warrior?

[atomic flicker]

Frostfire belt is good if you get one of the fire rings

[cosmic lichen]

I dont have one of those rings

no on the weapon?

[tender cove]

I spent mine on shield, lariat and was thinking weapon this week

[cosmic lichen]

actually cant run the belt, i have a lariat and wrists

[tender cove]

but everyone keeps saying wrists or belt

[atomic flicker]

Honestly if your not worried about an embelishment then it doesnt really matter what you spend it on

[tender cove]

and not sure what that means

[atomic flicker]

Its cause they are talking about the embellishments

[tender cove]

wait what, you cant put them on all crafted gear or only some slots have specific embels?

[tired solar]

you can only have 2 at a time

[atomic flicker]

You can only have 2 embelishments. Some are socketable on any crafted gear some are specifically to that gear

For instance the frostfire belt has an embellishment which is only on the frostfire belt

[stable valve]

is it common to solo tank diurna and have the other tank go adds?

[atomic flicker]

Thats the only strat

Theres no tank swap til phase 2

[stable valve]

was funny/spicy on heroic diurna solo w/ doing the staff

feel like I may swap some talents for it though

[digital frigate]

Decoration of Flame

in time walking

is like instant 60k damage

wtf

o_O

I hit it as per usual and bam

boss dead...

Pull entire mobs

all dead

[upbeat dust]

it does like 40% on bosses and insta kill mobs, better do your 5 before the fix

[fiery warren]

[Shackles of Titanic Failure] 411 itlvl or 2 set tire set ?

[pulsar parrot]

Can someone for the love of god tell me I’m doing something tragically wrong on the third boss in temple of jade serpent?

That jade serpent strike on an 18 this week is toxic

I can’t reflect it. Impending victory doesn’t heal as much and the other coolies are meh lol

[upbeat dust]

this is the worst boss to tank imo because this skill alone

it's so frustrating

[pulsar parrot]

I don’t know what else to do cause it’s a 100k healing absorb

On top of 290k damage

[deep spruce]

if u insist

[pulsar parrot]

Depends on how lucky you feel with set. I go set immediately cause over the last 15 years I’ve never gotten any worthwhile raid drops. If you have similar luck and are willing to wait until catalyst opens, get the other piece

[vernal cargo]

[tulip kelp]

Bruh you shoulda seen mine

[vernal cargo]

oh , let me send you my main loot , sec

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1060051219835519066/image.png

worse ?

i literally logged off after seeing these xD

[upbeat dust]

I can imagine a BDK doing it, 2 death strikes will go through the shield and the damage

[vernal cargo]

WEAPON

I SEE A WEAPON

[tulip kelp]

Doesn't help prot tho

[vernal cargo]

it helps fury tho

[tulip kelp]

Yeah

[vernal cargo]

count as an upgrade

[toxic mesa]

i got 421 set gloves from vault, 4pc now !

[vernal cargo]

why is there a 2h loot , you looted on Arms or smth

[vernal cargo]

gz ma man, i'm not even 1p

should feels good

to sign up in keys - 4p pumper

[toxic mesa]

ty, the bonus is quite crap though

its effectively just 5% extra to brutal vitality :/

[vernal cargo]

5 % is 5%

[lament herald]

How good is the 4er set Boni?

[toxic mesa]

if it were to refresh the duration of ignore pain, it would be great

but it doesnt

[chilly brook]

I see my boy @jagged pier posting his Mythic Terros

:pog

[tulip kelp]

I didn't want wep or shield and figured arms limited my options

[vernal cargo]

xD you did a little trolling there

[toxic mesa]

ive had my loot spec as arms for the whole season, ive crafted my 1h and shield

[tulip kelp]

If I was on prot or fury my potential wasted spots are much higher tho

Yeah exactly

I have 418 and 415 wep and shield

[chilly brook]

if you need shield go prot

if you need weapon loot fury

[tulip kelp]

I don't need either

so went arms

[chilly brook]

if you don't need either or a trink go arms

🙂

[tulip kelp]

Yeah exactly

[vernal cargo]

can some nice guy do me a favor and take a sim for me, can't do it the website is kinda filter for my country

[chilly brook]

worst thing that could happen is you build an offspec

[tender cove]

is there any point todo weekly stuff if you're 392 or above in every slot?

[chilly brook]

VPN 🙂

[vernal cargo]

[lament herald]

🙈 I think take the legs … now I have the 4 set Boni 😅

[toxic mesa]

you have the gloves already?

[lament herald]

Yes but on 405 but I can it take higher

[toxic mesa]

yeah the legs are good then!

[lament herald]

👍🏼

[digital frigate]

q_q

[vague drum]

https://i.imgur.com/JeiM9jm.png how good is the eranog-ring for prot war? triggering it with frostfire belt, probably the most dmg i can get with an ring correct?

[digital frigate]

It's super good.

[vernal cargo]

i feel, jealous

43 cos run still no finger

[digital frigate]

I think it's better than my verse haste ring

Which is 411

So I guess I just use this.

[hazy yacht]

guys should i talk Hunger of the pack instead of shoulder ? i got already shoulder in 411, i got 402[Rumbling Ruby] and 398 [Burgeoning Seed]😕

[vagrant relic]

Hey guys, what are ur thoughts about our second tier bonus? Does it really matter since it's only 5%? Thanks in advance

[twilit oar]

How big is our 2 set? Bare in mind this is my alt so I could either take 2 set or replace my 343 something belt with a 395 socketed belt

[warm plinth]

yeah take trink and replace seed

[hazy yacht]

that trinket saved my life few times but thats what i tought too : s

[vagrant relic]

seed is good tho

[tulip kelp]

398 grieftorch def better then 389 rumbing ruby right?

[vagrant relic]

it's like a little brother of decoration of flame

or sister idk

[warm plinth]

It's like 3-4% overall damage so that's pretty significant compared to a single ilevel upgrade. You can sim though

[twilit oar]

kk

tbf i stll got 2 sparks left so i can always craft a belt

if i really need to

[warm plinth]

yeah

I crafted a belt on my rogue because I was stuck with a 343

no shame in it lol

[twilit oar]

crafted shield cuz cba for azure vaults

[cosmic lichen]

id like to do a belt but i have the bracers and lariat

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure there's a non-embellished belt, no?

[twilit oar]

well im probably going to do lariat.. later tho maybe when the next one arrives

[cosmic lichen]

id probably be better off with a weapon, since that is 389

[warm plinth]

Yeah there's a primal molten greatbelt

that doesn't come with embellishment

[tender cove]

Any alchemy wanna know a lil goldhack I found out?

[warm plinth]

I have a friend who is an alc. I'll take any gold hacks I can find lol

[tender cove]

Or might already be known, but i found it myself.

[limpid kite]

Hi is the all-totem trinket is good? I got that in vault in hc ilvl or should I pick a 415 setgloves?(I have setgloves from normal)

[vagrant relic]

aren't set pieces both 389 in hc and normal?

[digital frigate]

you can get from mythic dungeons too

in your vault

[vagrant relic]

oh that what he means

kk gotcha

[warm plinth]

All-totem is very good

[slim dove]

yes by miles

torch is absurd.

[upper ferry]

Is there an updated Google Doc for Blockable/Reflectable Spells? The one in guides links to SL

[severe hatch]

4 piece and all-totem today, it was a good Tuesday

[warm plinth]

It's in the pins

[lucid dew]

is strike twice bis at same item level as a haste versa one?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[pulsar parrot]

Since more people active now

Any advice on jade serpent strike in temple? Lol

[warm plinth]

Rotate defensives, use last stand, impending victory, health pots/stones to help remove the healing absorb

[sudden palm]

Huh; I thought Spellbane was BiS

[pulsar parrot]

Yeah 18 key was hitting me for 250k and a 95k absorb

Nasty

[warm plinth]

yeah pretty scary

FWIW the initial hit is spell blockable but usually it's the DoT that's the scary part anyway

[sudden palm]

I usually go wall first; spell block + demo on second; LS health pot stone (making sure I have impending) on third and the 4th is healer cds + pray

[warm plinth]

You can use impending on every 2nd one I believe

[pulsar parrot]

Ok copy. Ty. After a couple of wipes I zoned out and switched to spell block

That didn’t do much either

[sudden palm]

Yeah it's nasty

[pulsar parrot]

Nerf incoming I’m sure.

[warm plinth]

Yeah spell block only affects the first part of it which is not really that scary

[pulsar parrot]

It’s weird to be at 100% health in all dungeons and then running into this boss. LOL. It’s a true test of grit

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and pretty much every tank has that same problem with it

[sudden palm]

Dude today I learned the balls on raging tempest don't give you increased damage taken

[warm plinth]

I can't imagine being like a vdh or brewmaster who can't do a big heal on demand

[sudden palm]

I dunno why I had this idea that they did give you + damage taken and it was scary

[warm plinth]

XD

They do damage to you when you collect them but no debuff XD

Just free dam/healing

[pulsar parrot]

Haha true

[sudden palm]

I swear they used to give you damage taken on beta; or maybe I'm just high

[pulsar parrot]

Pally is probably ok

[sudden palm]

Can't paladins spellward it?

[pulsar parrot]

Lay, bop taunt etc

[south zealot]

dude they nerfed let fly

[pulsar parrot]

Will say though, nerf to tree boss in algethar is fantastic

[warm plinth]

Spellward yeah, lay hands, WoG ofc

[pulsar parrot]

Now it’s just the shit bird that’s annoying

[zealous grove]

It is INSANE

[warm plinth]

I swear I have no idea what let fly is lol

[zealous grove]

I did a +16 with the worst group I’ve done that dungeon with and it was perf

[pulsar parrot]

Thank god for it

Bird boss still a nuisance

Can’t see tornados and can’t get pugs to not stack scream when they need to clear thundering 🙂

Will say though it’s nice to be able to solo bosses as a prot warrior from 30% down. LOL

Shadowlands if a boss looked at us we died

[zealous grove]

I solod last boss from 15% to 0

Cause my group made about 30 orb pulls

[pulsar parrot]

If I got a dollar for every time I solod court of stars last boss

Lol

[warm plinth]

Back to the good ole days of thunderlord's vigor

[pulsar parrot]

What race are you guys?

Dark iron here

[zealous grove]

Bra you can’t ask that

[pulsar parrot]

LOL

[zealous grove]

Yeh I’m D.I.D

[pulsar parrot]

That’s why I followed up quickly

[warm plinth]

I'm troll, because I was fury before

[pulsar parrot]

Ah dope

[warm plinth]

Also white af

[pulsar parrot]

With all the bleeds in this game

Not being a dwarf is tough

[warm plinth]

I just wish I could be DID with regular dwarf heritage

DID heritage is super meh

[zealous grove]

Armour?

[pulsar parrot]

Agree

[still cosmos]

I got mythic council 1H tonight - was originally planning on crafting 418 phys damager embellish wep. I probably won't replace all tier unless i get smth from vault as there are no one handers from raid higher than 415. IS this still worth? Or should I craft bre bracers instead to go w/ lariat?

[pulsar parrot]

Lariat is king

[proper moth]

Is it worth to drop ilvl for the tier set?

Talking about a 20~ ilvl drop

[viral elk]

any think this effect is pretty good?

or at least better than some of the other listed trinkets in icy veins article

[tame jasper]

I did it last week to get 4pc, but was also worried if worth

[young mango]

help me

[limpid anchor]

Take what you need?

[zealous grove]

How is that hard? Gloves if you don’t have them.

[young mango]

helmet not considered

?

[limpid anchor]

Do you need it?

We don’t know your gear mate

[young mango]

i need both

[zealous grove]

Then gloves lol. It’s a higher ilvl

[limpid anchor]

Also is that eu?

[tender quartz]

If you're doing Timewalking please do it now as scaling is absolute bonkers easy and use Decoration of Flame one-shots bosses with 20k DPS

Before they fix

[limpid anchor]

Or when is the vault reset for eu :(

[tender quartz]

Credit goes to Danat on some server who noticed the dam my trinket is doing 🤭

Already was 2 hours ago @limpid anchor

[limpid anchor]

Oh nice, ty

Then I can check before work :)

[tame jasper]

The next reset is next Wednesday, todays is already done

[round cliff]

maghar orc
did i miss the conversation xd

[tame jasper]

most prob the question "what is the best race" will pop up shortly..

[round cliff]

its maghar orc fr

20% mount speed more noticable than any 0.05% dps increase

also ur a cool orc

[timid thicket]

opened vault as arms. 415 Horn of valor or 411 grieftorch. Probably a just sim it situation right?

[round cliff]

all situations are a sim it situation

[timid thicket]

Also got a 408 stormeaters boon with leech

The fact that SBG is in timewalking amuses me

[vestal lintel]

Anyone here on Kazzak (A) that can craft Primal Molten Defender R5?

[ionic fern]

TORCH.

[young mango]

we dont go for 4p set as prot right?

[mighty valley]

you don't need to rush like crazy for it but it's defensively decent

[young mango]

k

[lilac flume]

I'm getting fucking wrecked by the second boss of rlp dot and the jade kick dot from third boss in this, any recommendations, on the 18+ range this week

[tender cove]

wait, i was so scrolled up

[limpid anchor]

Get a better healer

And use your cds

[lavish oracle]

I just held my impending victories for the jade kicks

[tender cove]

Its pretty shit. The stacks reset upon entering combat with a boss. Somewhere between 1-2 procs per minute.

[lilac flume]

Yeah all my evidence is pug based so far and can't tell if it's me doing it wrong or them

[arctic bone]

Anyone else got an answer on this 🙂 I got it in vault also haha

[lavish oracle]

also bring health pots

[tender cove]

So if you hold it for max stacks? and its 2ppm? Thats 2.5 min to stack it to max. And that lasts for 12s. And stacks reset when entering combat

If its only 1 ppm? geez

[ionic fern]

RLP is a bleed.
Rotate defensives, let your healer know it wrecks.

Jade, let your DPS'ers hold CD's for the second phase.
Plan CD's, use Health potions / IV / LS to help your healer out with the healing absorb.

[lilac flume]

Yep that's where I'm using them , and lock rocks. I could probably track the iv use better so I'll try that

[tender cove]

read above you and below you. Its shit

[lavish oracle]

does mitigation reduce the absorb? I can never tell

[ionic fern]

No, but it reduces the initial smack.

[lavish oracle]

Ah, okay, good to know

[lilac flume]

Ty mwahi good notes, just sucks cause I was timing a couple 20s and 19s all over the place last week. Tyrannical ok some of these bosses is just such a kick in the pants

[timid thicket]

How good is dungeon slice sims for prot? It sims significantly higher with 408 stormeaters boon over 415 hor of valor or 411 grieftorch. But 10 sec immobilize is meh

[arctic bone]

Appreciated 😛 guess i am taking ilvl upgrade on bis wrists since waist is worse stats than yesterday 405 craft 😄

[lavish oracle]

I play ultra defensive talents in temple, tbh, everything in there scares me

[ionic fern]

Jeah, those bosses are horrid. Really have to rely on your healer.

[lavish oracle]

well everything between the 2nd boss and the pack before the last boss

[lilac flume]

Yeah I'm running fairly defensively but guess I should double check my talents

[ionic fern]

It's not fortified tho, so it's chill.

[lilac flume]

Lol yeah some fun trash pulls I'm finding this week

[tulip kelp]

So I got super lucky today

[lavish oracle]

Sanguine's still got me fucked up

I stutter step everything

[tulip kelp]

What would you guys use between 402 whetstone, 402 totem, 398 grieftorch?

[tender cove]

not very good, you want patchwerk on several durations + several different mob count then double them and run half without lust and half with.

[lavish oracle]

Honestly, Whetstone because it's upgradeable, personally

[tulip kelp]

Whetstone plus totem?

[lavish oracle]

2nd one's whatever sim's higher, I suppose

thought this was vault options, haha

[tame jasper]

@ionic fern Whats your thoughts about the procc of Blazehoof? I got 372 Blaze (which is 3% haste), 389 decoration of flame and now a 418 scale from vault, which is a lot of permanent mainstat - for now i chosed to use flame and scale, hoping to finally get an upgrade hoofe to switch to scale and blaze. or do I have an thoughts error in my plan?

[lyric geode]

what would you pick?

I am more inclined to pick the one with speed to be fair

I have around 12% more speed without it.

[uncut basin]

Is the 4pc set bonus also bugged like the talent? anyone tested that out?

[tender cove]

blaze is also a proc of str with an explision 5 target component, its not "just 3% haste"

[round cliff]

wrecking throw worth taking for rlp first boss?

[woeful island]

Does prot warriors rotation and talents change much depending on having the tier set?

[tender cove]

wait, those annoiyng shield casters that shields up tiny bit, could you just execute them with WT?

[lavish oracle]

probably

[tender cove]

not at all, not even worth tracking the buff

[lavish oracle]

there's a lot of shield stuff in there

[round cliff]

no the big shield when she summons whelps

[lyric geode]

Guys I dont know what to pick

[silent anchor]

First boss?

[lyric geode]

Maybe go for the socket one

[lavish oracle]

They just nerfed the shield on the first boss, though

[silent anchor]

Aye but it still does 500% damage too them?

[lavish oracle]

Mhm

[silent anchor]

N for 1 talent point

[tender cove]

Yeh, i got that. I'd assume it works but i dont know. Which made me think of my question, wonder if it also works on those shitters?

[silent anchor]

I'm sure I read it does work.

[round cliff]

well it does work, i know

its just a matter of if its worth losing smth else

[lavish oracle]

What do you drop for it?

[silent anchor]

I'd prob say so

[round cliff]

but i dont think im losing much by sacrificing idk, intervene

[silent anchor]

The boss is aids

[wet crow]

hi guys, any opinions on the dodge/parry trinket from kurog? deciding between that and a heroic version of my leg tier piece

i'm very lost with trinkets this xpac

[silent anchor]

I dont even run intervene haha!

[lavish oracle]

I really like intervene this season, haha

[tender cove]

depends what you have but that sidearm, shout, bounding etc

[lavish oracle]

has saved more than a few keys from absent minded DPS not clearing thundering

[mystic radish]

Am I siming wrong? the Cape is by far the best o: thought the "All-Totem of the Master" or the Scale would sim much higher o:

[round cliff]

bounding stride is more mandatory than rallying cry xd

[silent anchor]

I'd say drop sidearm

[round cliff]

i will NEVER be separated from my bounding stride

[silent anchor]

Small bit dps for an easier boss. Esp on tyrannical

[tender cove]

I hear people say something similar everyday and I really dont see it or understand why.

[silent anchor]

When everyone's susceptible to just die

[round cliff]

movement go brrrrrrrrr

[silent anchor]

Speed bro.

All the movement

We aint dks

Lol

[lavish oracle]

if you're running intimidating shout, you could probably drop that

[tender cove]

Im aware what it does lol

[silent anchor]

This also

[tender cove]

What makes it more manadatory than rallying cry

give me a scenario

[silent anchor]

Yes, what it does is alsp the reason for taking it

I wouldn't say that tbh lol

[round cliff]

it doesnt matter if u can survive the pack if you cant get to it roughly 2 seconds sooner

[oak echo]

I like shout tbh. My group has too many stuns so it's nice to get a stop not on stun DR

[tender cove]

what?

[silent anchor]

I prefer the stun Dr tbh

[lavish oracle]

Shout's nice, just if you have to drop a utility for another utility that's a point that's easily moveable

[short plover]

how do we live 2nd boss RLP, died through decoration of flame, last stand, and 140k ignore pain up. The bleed just did 111k a second. 19 RLP

[round cliff]

what do u think is more useful? a group wide defensive, or a minor speed boost every 30 seconds

i rest my case

[oak echo]

I guess what I mean is I've never considered dropping it for bounding lol

[round cliff]

bounding stride is necessary

[lavish oracle]

They're joking

[oak echo]

Warrior has crazy movement without it

[tender cove]

ohh, protip? They should never even think about attempting a career in stand up comedy, it would be a disaster.

[tall cedar]

guys i need some advice. I have decoration as 389 . Also i have same set gloves as 411 ilvl. I got 3 set if i get shoulder 398 i'll 4 set. For weapon i have 405 crafted one but i can make 418 today so idk what should i chose

[silent anchor]

All personal preference really. None are mandatory too survival I'd say but more quality of life.

[waxen cedar]

dont have useless healer at that point lol

[tender cove]

What i think, is that you're a troll xD

[lavish oracle]

@round cliff gotta cancel your show at the comedy cellary. Sorry, buddy

[buoyant helm]

if ur pushing m+ i would go for 4 set

[foggy ruin]

i dont understand how jeweled signet of melandrus is good at all for us

does it get less stats or no

[tall cedar]

@buoyant helm yeah mostly im doing m+ , rarely raid

[waxen cedar]

scales into abilities that scale from weap dmg (soo most of them)

[tall cedar]

@buoyant helm with 4 set we never use IP btw or something?

[foggy ruin]

ohh thats op nvm

[wet crow]

@buoyant helm would you reco the trinket from kurog? using the norm razageth one atm for my passive trinket

[ionic fern]

I'd just sim myself. Hoof is really solid. 🙂

[wet crow]

i already have the tier legs but lower difficulty so i'm pretty cut

oh, heroic razagath trinket, not the norm one

[lavish oracle]

flame deco defensive component worth anything?

shield usually feels like it evaporates

[round cliff]

cant ever please a stickler

[ionic fern]

This was in my 19 AA.

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, usually about where it lands for me

[ionic fern]

But i'm using it on CD for DPS.

So.

Did 1,7k.

[tender cove]

Guys, is there any point doing weeklies anymore? feast, siege, trials etc? If every slot is 392 or above?

[lavish oracle]

kinda what I'm doing, doesn't feel worthwhile to hold it for the shield like blood-spattered scale did

[limpid anchor]

Rep

[lavish oracle]

I wanted so badly for it to be a new scale, oh well

[tender cove]

are people farming those btw? I'm like 11 renown on all

[lavish oracle]

I do them once a week

[tender cove]

does the weekly cache scale higher then the rest?

can you get like 395 in it>?

[onyx matrix]

huuuuge upgrade

[lavish oracle]

I haven't seen anything higher than a 382 out of them in a minute

[jolly cipher]

hey guys, need a little bit of help choosing my vault. I have to chose between Seal of Diurna's 421(1st boss ring) and AV Shield 421 (haste versa). The ring seems higher ofc, but would't the shield be the better pick?

sims*

[uncut basin]

How much Ilvl does a socket provide roughly? because I have these two rings and the lower Ilvl one had a socket. was wondering if its worth it to increase it with valor or not. Thanks!

[modern ruin]

hi mates any can send me reflect spreadsheet pls ? i dont find it

[mystic radish]

pins

[modern ruin]

its shadowland spreadsheet on pins

[tender cove]

do we have any bis list? I know its frowned upon but guild wants me to provide "bis items" to avoid drama for "tanks wanting dps stuff" or vice versa. Same with all roles. I get it. Good idea.

[uncut basin]

the top pin with the weakaura. it has a link there

[sick sentinel]

When your vault is so good its hard to pick

Its either Tier hands or Hoof atm, currently have 405 hands

This would be my third tier piece, meaning I will likely get another tier item in reclear today

[lavish oracle]

I think the icy-veins guide usually has something like that

[tender cove]

with everyone and their mama getting tier, even tier from m+ slosts. You want to go trinket

[ionic fern]

RING.

[ionic fern]

Just do droptimizer from raidboys and send it to them.

[ionic fern]

Not this time around. 😉

We finally got rid of it.

[tender cove]

you have 6 slots with only 8 bosses loot tables
vs m+ trinkets with 3 slots for 8*4 (28) boss loot table
trinket has to be the mathetical correct choice?

[ionic fern]

I'd also take hoof.

[sick sentinel]

Well yeah, but Icon and Decoration at mythic ilvl is only 200dps less

Icon + Hoof at this ilvl is technically BIS though

SO yeah

[prisma echo]

The only thing i got from weekly vault is depresion

[mental flax]

Hi guys, I'd appreciate some help picking from vault. How good is the trinket? Or should I take the pants and turn them into tier later? I have 411 tier chest, 408 Incernate Icon, and a 402 Winscar Whetsone. Are there clear BIS trinkets for M+ yet?

[iron mango]

How good is Strike Twice one handed as a prot?

[tall cedar]

guys i need some advice. I have decoration as 389 . Also i have same set gloves as 411 ilvl. I got 3 set if i get shoulder 398 i'll 4 set. For weapon i have 405 crafted one but i can make 418 today so idk what should i choose? Im mostly pushing m+.

[ionic fern]

You already got solid trinkets.

[ionic fern]

Better than other weapons of similar ilvl just for the free effect.

[ionic fern]

I'd probably take Decoration or legs, if you have access to higher ilvl tier.

[ripe seal]

From what i’ve heard it’s not bad, but you generally wanna go for haste/vers or haste/crit depending on what you need.

[ionic fern]

It's a free effect....ontop of stats....

[forest fern]

dumb question, gems, straight haste over multi stat, or multi stat is good etc?

[ionic fern]

vs other weapons with just...stats.

[ionic fern]

Multi stat is better.

[forest fern]

recommendation?

[iron mango]

Stats are Crit mastery, stats can be snatched elsewhere i supposed

[ionic fern]

IV/WoWHead guides. 🙂

[ionic fern]

Stats don't matter that much on a weapon. 🙂

[iron mango]

Plus does it proc the devastation SS reset if the weapon procs itself ?

[ionic fern]

Look at the stat budget.

[lusty grotto]

no

its a proc

its not a double attack

[iron mango]

Alright thank you all :)

[lusty grotto]

despite the name

[iron mango]

Would have been twice as good if it did

[forest frost]

Is this trinket good? every guide said something little different

[sterile moss]

Whats people's opinion on how good the 4pc is for Prot warrior?

[heavy hawk]

Question for a Volt.. I have a chest 421 non tir vs sholders 415 tir that would give me a 2 set. do i go for 421 and wait 2 weeks to change it to tir or take a smaller ilvl sholder tir?

[round cliff]

how good is double shockwave capstone? not at all?

[jagged pier]

Bad

[lusty grotto]

most of us dont use it cause it causes DR issues

[storm merlin]

It's a proc roughly once a minute, at a random time, for 90k absorb
Does that sound good?

[lavish oracle]

I do not like it because its not predictable

[ionic fern]

It's solid defensively. 🙂

[round cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/8LOipX6.png is there a good option to drop here for bounding stride

sidearm?

[ionic fern]

Pain and Gain / Barbaric / Sidearm

Pick one.

Also, what is that build used for?

[jagged pier]

Well u shouldnt be running barbaric

[round cliff]

m+

[ionic fern]

Intimidating Shout.

😦

[foggy drift]

What qual mats do I need for lariat to be 405ilvl

[lavish oracle]

Iirc, from beta, shockwave capstones did similar damage to TR but also DR'd everything to hell

[round cliff]

the flee scares me

[lusty grotto]

the flee doesnt last

and has never lasted

[lavish oracle]

Usually it breaks immediately

[lusty grotto]

unless youre doing wet noodle damage

[steady steppe]

Primal infusion

[rough egret]

Rend ticks

[round cliff]

hmm

maybe i should take intim shout then

[steady steppe]

The crafter is more important than the mats

[round cliff]

but now its even harder to fit bounding stride in xd

[foggy drift]

Right

[round cliff]

maybe i shouldnt bother

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't need stride for keys

[ionic fern]

Open pins
Take the m+ talents from there.

There you go.

[foggy drift]

So if I buy the bronze qual mats on ah it won’t affect the ilvl?

[lavish oracle]

Better mats, higher chance, most crafters have a hard time guaranteeing 5 star w/ infusion

[lusty grotto]

ask your crafter

but just so you know

they will ask for t3 mats

[steady steppe]

No but it will make it harder for the crafter to get 5 star

[ionic fern]

You don't NEED stride..i personally just take it. I drop Sidearm for it, @round cliff .

[lusty grotto]

right off the bat

[steady steppe]

I got mine t4 without buying the 30k diamond

[foggy drift]

I see thank you

Right

[uncut zephyr]

Ypu can use the r2 diamond, yeah

[round cliff]

drop sidearm and barbaric for intim shout and bounding stride?

possibly?

[lusty grotto]

t2 diamond is fine, t3 everything else though

[steady steppe]

Just find someone that can craft with t2 mats

[devout pewter]

this trinket is good ?

[ionic fern]

Drop Barbaric for Intim.
Sidearm vs Bounding is personal preference.

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, its pretty good

[steady steppe]

Yea it's good

[ionic fern]

Si, bueno.

[round cliff]

is there an option for taking shattering throw in rlp

[lusty grotto]

you dont want shattering

[lavish oracle]

Not quite as good as some of the raid trinkets but one of the best from the dungeon set

[lusty grotto]

you want wrecking

[round cliff]

oh did i mix it up

[lusty grotto]

and i swap sidearm for it

[ionic fern]

You can take whatever.
I won't.

[round cliff]

then yes wrecking

[devout pewter]

what a bad vault I came out with... no tier set... 😦

[ionic fern]

They already nerfed the shield.

In RLP.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[jagged pier]

Just take a hunter

Ggs

[lusty grotto]

still does decent dmg

[round cliff]

oh right lol

hunter moment

[hazy sluice]

Some1 told me yesterday I could spell reflect all the imps' casts in CoS at the same time. Didn't know until that, o always thought spell reflect only reflects one spell :I

[steady steppe]

Decoration is good

[ionic fern]

If they are coming at the same time, you can reflect them.

[ember prairie]

Was gonna say

[ionic fern]

If one of the comes first.

You're dead.

[ember prairie]

isn't that the rare ring from the raid lol

[ionic fern]

Enjoy.

[lavish oracle]

If its cast simultaneously it'll reflect multiple

[ionic fern]

It's easier to just wreck them in a AoE stun tho.

They have like 0 health.

[lavish oracle]

So for the imps you wanna make sure you're the only person in range for the first cast so they all target you

[hazy sluice]

Ah okay. That explains why I never felt to SR multiple casts. They've never been perfectly aligned.

[devout pewter]

i have

[hazy sluice]

Thx guys that makes things more clear

[steady steppe]

Oh yea kinda shit vault then

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone see the hotfix notes for dungeons? For Azureblade what does it mean when it says Increased the time it takes for Azureblade to drain their mana.

whats this mechanic?

[steady steppe]

U could take items to save for catalyst

[lavish oracle]

I think their mana is tied to their phases

Not 100% sure

[ionic fern]

So he doesn't do adds so often.

[mighty valley]

She'll spend more time actually attackable before going into the shielded phase

[foggy drift]

Does 20k for this person to craft it seem fair? They said that covers free redrafts

Recrafts*

[lavish oracle]

Tree boss is ezpz now

Which I'm happy about because Algethar is my favorite dungeon

[neon elk]

Depends on item itself and server economy .

[steady steppe]

That's about what I paid

[echo scarab]

I need some life advice fellow warriors

[neon elk]

Fap before asking her

[echo scarab]

Already did fap

[neon elk]

Okej then go ahead whats your issue

[wanton shale]

if i don't raid, just for M+ bigwigs + littlewigs is better than DBM?

[echo scarab]

ok i have 2 choices. The ring is a big upgrade but the head set piece with a sockel also seems like a solid choice

Oh and my current stats

I dont know if i wanna drop that much versa for the ring

[cinder storm]

I would

[neon elk]

Screw versa , u get tons of haste instead

I personaly wouldnt go for 10(17 ilvl with valor ) upgrade , if it gave you another set then yes, but if its like this .. any other options ?

[echo scarab]

No all the other options are garbage

[fallen pulsar]

Ring imo

[drifting glade]

hello friends, is it wrong for me to conceptualize the 4set bonus as 5% leech

[fallen pulsar]

Yes

[drifting glade]

ok cool

[ionic fern]

I got 3% vers and chillin'.

[fallen pulsar]

Ignore pain is better than leech I think

[prisma echo]

@ionic fern SENPAI, why puzzle box is simming better then hoof on same ilvl? All i read that box is poo tier compare to god tier hoof. Should i swap or i sim wrong?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hXRXveR6YttbYSRDCzSciE

[sage granite]

heroic incarnate icon from vault, hell yeah

[urban portal]

Nah it’s about the same

[fallen pulsar]

Ah gotcha

[urban portal]

On one hand it’s an absorb which is better than a heal

[sage granite]

puzzle box has a cast time and is cursed when tanking

[urban portal]

On the other hand you have to take more than the damage absorbed to get value

[sage granite]

but its crazy stats

[urban portal]

Puzzle box is def not poo tier

It’s a tone of stats

In m+ you pre pull it

In raid you use it while taunted off

There’s no issues

[drifting glade]

so treating 4set as 5% leech is about right?

[prisma echo]

so should i swap it for decoration?

[urban portal]

Not exactly but good enough

[drifting glade]

sacrificing 4set for a ~25 ilvl boost on pants has made me have to really figure out what it's worth

[cinder storm]

Ilvl imo

[fallen pulsar]

I would do pants over 4set

[urban portal]

Pants

[drifting glade]

ya, that's what i'm leaning towards

[urban portal]

Can always convert to tier later

[drifting glade]

oh yeah, true

thanks for the help lads, love yas

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/3d37062d8c693ccf1c4bce8a1545dfc6

sad

[uncut notch]

hmmmmmmmm Sidegrade into 1/4 tier or 20 ilvl upgrade

[cinder storm]

F in chat for LET FLY

[crystal dirge]

Hi All, probably been asked before but how decent is this trink?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815359974020087810/1060108690386071552/image.png

especially against 421 chest

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815359974020087810/1060108790021771275/image.png

[jagged pier]

i would take chest myself

[limpid anchor]

Trinket seems bad

As it’s not the boon :>

[crystal dirge]

I have a 418 chest already is the thing, do you know perhaps when the catalyst opens?

[jagged pier]

2 weeks

[zealous grove]

How badly do I want 4 set?

Worth swapping 411 pants for normal tier? (404 equipped ilvl)

[rain trail]

I have the choice between:
39 ilvl upgrade on belt with crit/mastery
30 ilvl upgrade on ring with haste/crit and avoidance
9 ilvl upgrade on helmet and gain 2 set
Any suggestions?

[zealous grove]

Not belt.

[blazing condor]

reclear first to see if you get set tbh

if not then its probably tier

[urban portal]

2set>Ilvl

[zealous grove]

This 💯

[urban portal]

39 on belt is a lot

I would never take the ring

[rain trail]

I mostly play M+ in the 17-18 range currently and only raid casually, my guild only just cleared normal and 2 bosses on HC

[zealous grove]

Crit mastery is yuck

You can pug heroic very easily.

[oblique tinsel]

Hey all. I'm new here, and hoping that you smart people can help me in the right direction 😄 . I currently have 3 pc. In vault I have the option of same ilvl shoulders, but it's tier giving me 4pc. Or tier legs, that I already have, but it's 29 ilvl upgrade

Any advice?

[crystal dirge]

so just as a general question about the trinket, it's considered like a 2nd last stand with 2.5k versa on it?

[jagged pier]

i mean that trinket is kinda meh

[crystal dirge]

do you maybe know how often you generate seeds?

[jagged pier]

compared to what else is out there

and for like the 900th time

we dont care about vers

[blazing condor]

had that trinket early on. Stacks didn't build super fast but they stayed long and the trink is on a rather short CD

still

didn't really do much

[urban portal]

2.5k versa isn’t that much defense

At this point

[crystal dirge]

alrighty, thanks

[limpid anchor]

Why do all the top pwar run Vers then :<

[urban portal]

Do they

Or do they run ilevel

[jagged pier]

because like the shockwave build its looks good in theory

[limpid anchor]

I mean

The sockets and crafted items are haSte vers

So kinda?

[urban portal]

Because it’s solid

[winged grail]

Top wars are not theory, they are actual practice

[limpid anchor]

I run haste crit bcs it looks better :>

[urban portal]

Like you are a top player

[limpid anchor]

So that makes Vers better than crit

[urban portal]

And you are pushing top keys

[urban portal]

You realize all the vers in there is like 2.5% dr or something

It’s minuscule

[limpid anchor]

Yes

That’s why I run crit

[urban portal]

Crit is parry chance

So it’s more damage but does nothing vs magic

Technically

[jagged pier]

this is in m+ only

but this is some discussion behind the scenes

in raid vers is probably better just because nothing averages out

[blazing condor]

crunch the numbers

[limpid anchor]

But fuck raid :>