protection

[severe steeple]

RLP on last boss first phase
does the drake land to breathe fire depending on troll location or completely random?

[weary vault]

To help

If I need a break for heals to keep up

[tired pivot]

it lands close to your party

so stack in between the 2 pillars

it will always land there pretty quickly

[tired pivot]

yeah, having some agency helps on really high keys

especially in AA, where the major push check is the 1st boss fight

[toxic pewter]

this week first pull of algethar do i grab all the plants and the 1 pack of flies at the same time?

[weary vault]

Have to make sure my group gets into the tree add circle too or it's gonna hurt

[cursive needle]

Hey guys, I’ve snagged a few pieces with avoidance on them. Curious, is avoidance good for us? When (if ever) should I use it over optimal secondary stats? This would be for mythic plus only. I don’t raid.

[tired pivot]

I honestly don't know what the best way to handle that add is

[severe hatch]

leech is much preferable to avoidance, but it won't hurt

[tired pivot]

probably kill it as the stuff is coming down

you can get cleared while the little dudes are spawning

[severe hatch]

Ultimately I wouldn't base any gearing decisions on whether or not the piece has avoidance on it

[weary vault]

Yeah I just have to make sure they bait the lil guys outside first then come in as it dies.

[warm plinth]

If you could block non-physical DoTs, then we would laugh at 3rd boss of TJS. We get trucked like everyone else.

[weary vault]

Have to baby a lot of groups right now

[weary vault]

Impending Victory

Moving on

[tired pivot]

there are non-blockable abilities

for balance

magical dots can be blocked by definition

see 1st boss of AA

oops

AV

[warm plinth]

You can't block DoTs. They changed paladin holy shield going into DF to not be able to do it, so why would we be able to?

[jovial birch]

Hmm 398 grieftorch or 408 whetstone from vault. I’m leaning towards grieftorch as I feel bad rolling on it as tank if it drops in raid.

[jagged pier]

whetstone harder to get

and i think at 408 its more dps

[tired pivot]

DoTs are usually tied to an initial hit ability

we can block all of the magical ones

[cerulean musk]

Rumbling Ruby 402 or 395 tier piece (my 2nd piece)

[weary vault]

Grieftorch

Primary stat plus lots of threat

and dam

[tired pivot]

except a few ones that are made unblockable due to balance

[warm plinth]

I would love to see a log showing us blocking a DoT

[tired pivot]

again

1st boss of AV

you can block the hit that applies a dot on you

it is in the spreadsheet as well

[warm plinth]

1st boss of AV literally has nothing blockable by spell block.

[weary vault]

Ghash is being quiet litteral in terms of "Block"

[warm plinth]

It is reflectable, not blockable

[cerulean musk]

Always pick tier piece from vault right?

[tired pivot]

semantics

[warm plinth]

How tf is it semantics lol

It's SPELL BLOCK dude

[tired pivot]

preventable is what I care about

I was talking about spell reflect mainly

[cinder storm]

De-reflectable

[weary vault]

^ This is generally why I don't come in here anymore . Thanks Kabum. I think I'll take Menace and hope my DPS can help stun/cc.

[warm plinth]

What is why you don't come in here anymore lol

[tired pivot]

glad to help, so long as you have a poison dispell, you should really be fine with the talent being as backup

[lyric geode]

3 questions

[warm plinth]

You asked if you should take spell block for lashers. I said you can't, because it's a DoT. He said you can block DoTs. Then he tries to play off like blocking doesn't mean blocking. I am not sure how I'm the bad guy here lmao.

[weary vault]

Ghash he meant you can block some by spell reflecting certain attacks.

You're not the bad guy.

[warm plinth]

You literally asked about spell block. It was literally in the context of spell block.

[lyric geode]

1. Is it my fault that melees die from Mortal Hew?

[tired pivot]

it is honestly just some unfortunate naming choice from blizz there

[weary vault]

Only if you walk the mobs into melee

[warm plinth]

No, they need to learn what the rest of the DPS learned in vanilla; don't stand in front of the mob.

[tired pivot]

depends on your and their movement

are you moving the mobs left and right a lot?

[cerulean musk]

Rumbling Ruby or Tier piece? I have 1 piece of tier already so it would give me 2

[lyric geode]

I mean, i tried to take the mobs away from sanguine

[tired pivot]

that can make it really hard for melee dps to do their job

[lyric geode]

DH died from mortal hew

[tired pivot]

if you snapped the mobs to the side while doing that

you kinda messed up

[bold turret]

If you move the mobs smoothly it’s their fault

[lyric geode]

I tried to move the mobs smoothly

[tired pivot]

I get wanting to get them out really fast

but you have to be aware of your dps positioning

[weary vault]

It's a DH he probably fucked up honestly.

[lyric geode]

No, sudden moves

[tired pivot]

oh it is a dh

[lyric geode]

no heroic leap

[tired pivot]

yeah it is his fault

[lyric geode]

nothing

Just small back steps

[weary vault]

You can completely dodge those btw back peddling @lyric geode

[lyric geode]

Really?

[weary vault]

yeah

[lyric geode]

They are the only ones that seems to hurt me the most

[tired pivot]

demon hunters die there a lot due to their build being momentum

[weary vault]

^

[tired pivot]

it is honestly a really hard to play build in that dungeon

[weary vault]

Watched one die on the 2nd boss in SMBG 19 I just did. Because he dashed through into a cast lol.

[tired pivot]

lmao

[lyric geode]

2)Shouldnt the drake be a priority target in HOV entrance. I mean, I have given a big skull on this add

[tired pivot]

I have gotten to the point where I don't take demon hunters into frontal heavy dungeons

[lyric geode]

adds died before drake

[tired pivot]

not really

casters

are the dangerous stuff

[weary vault]

^

[lyric geode]

Well yes, the thunderbolt is doing insane dmg

But

It is interruptable

[obsidian path]

I hate dh because of their zooming around makes me drop thundering early

[weary vault]

If you 3 pull the start have someone cc the first caster in higher keys then pick it up as the other is dying

[lyric geode]

Drake isnt doing dmg, but with sanguine it isnt moving that much

[cerulean musk]

Any chance I could get some input on my vault? Rumbling Ruby or tier piece? I have 1/4 tier right now

[tired pivot]

it happens that you miss an interrupt even in coordinated premades

[lyric geode]

Good to know

[tired pivot]

but yeah, the cc caster is probably best

[weary vault]

Borg it's up to you man. I would take the two piece unless your trinkets are shiet

[tired pivot]

I have resorted to killing the first caster and only moving after

in pugs

[weary vault]

Or hit ya with the discord special "SIM IT"

lol

[tired pivot]

tier is probably better

the 4% damage reduction

is kinda big

[weary vault]

Huge even

[cerulean musk]

Yeah true, thanks!

[gritty glen]

Is gaining 10 ilvl worth losing 2 piece bonus?

[tired pivot]

no

[gritty glen]

Yea that's what I'm thinking too

[tired pivot]

unless you do content where you take no damage anyway

where I wouldn't bother with damage reduction anywhere

[inland raft]

415 tier shoulders to replace 385 tier shoulders or 411 tier helm to replace 402 helm which would complete 4 set on protwar?

[turbid shuttle]

2pc gives 4% damage done also, and I doubt 10 ilvl on 1 piece will outweight 4% overall

[ocean reef]

As a dh main myself, this isn't really the case and you can play a non momentum build, and the frontals in HoV is deceptively bigger than you'd expect

[warm plinth]

I would probably complete the 4pc

[ocean reef]

I've been hit by mortal hew many times while standing still because the tank decided to slightly walk left or right, clipping me as a result

[sick sentinel]

i guess you can say my cpu is twice as cool now.

installed cpu cooler barely fits

[ocean reef]

Not implying a dh couldn't be at fault themselves but those mobs in general are just awful for any melee, and tank, to deal with if not done proper

[winter delta]

Is prot 4pc worth it over other items?

[sick sentinel]

what classes are strong with warrior for keys? just melee in general i guess?

[tulip kelp]

Fuck me, what dog shit choices

[sick sentinel]

415 proc trinket and weapon, i mean, both i'd be salivating over

[winter delta]

like is 4pc better than just higher ilvl piece?

[tulip kelp]

Do I really take the 389 tier? I have 411 pants already but only 1/4 tier

[tulip kelp]

Isn't the whelp shell D tier?

[sick sentinel]

in 2 more weeks we get catalyst

[ocean reef]

The whelp trinket is pretty trash yes

[tulip kelp]

Yeah, so pretty dog vault

[sick sentinel]

is it really? that sucks

what about ur weapon

why not weapon

[tulip kelp]

Thats a 2hander.. I have 418 crafted wep

[weary vault]

It's not trash it's a decent trinket if you have no other alternatives.

[weary vault]

Depends on the content

[jovial birch]

I imagine sims aren’t able to take into account resets on grieftorch?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that really is a pepehands vault for the effort you put in

[weary vault]

you'd have to do an advance sim I think

[ocean reef]

In a vacuum its bad compared to alternatives

[winter delta]

@weary vault mostly m+

[sick sentinel]

cuz 415's your doing like 18s or some shit

[weary vault]

Would take the 4 set then it's pretty good.

Gloves are bad stats for us though

[winter delta]

thanks I thought the free ignore pain might be worth it wasnt sure

[jovial birch]

408 whetstone is simming higher then 398 grieftorch which seems off when I have seen grieftorch do 20% of someone’s damage

[tulip kelp]

So is 389 pants from vault worth it if I have 411 legs already but it gets me to 2 piece? No yeah

[jovial birch]

Single target sim even

[weary vault]

I mean it hits hard af

It aoe and ST

[ocean reef]

Whetstone is good for ST but the damage is split in AoE, although still good in AoE despite it

[sharp bone]

2set is big, you can sim to be sure but most likely is

[ocean reef]

And the results of grieftorch also vary depending on your group and how good they are at inting

[sick sentinel]

i just thought of another reason to go UWU furry fox man for warrior, get a tag on the world boss rare spawns that appear everywhere faster

means you get more loot

[tired pivot]

2 set is much bigger for damage taken

[echo pendant]

Is there a chance to get a set item from the timewalking reward?

[quasi otter]

no

[sharp bone]

but is damage taken really the bottleneck we're facing as warrior? (apart from being able to remain in battlestance more)

[jovial birch]

Inting?

[tired pivot]

the 20 ilvl on 1 piece will not give you 4% damage reduction

[sick sentinel]

i could have been 3/4 set if i took the lfr pieces last 2 weeks

[tired pivot]

taking less damage will absolutely help your party

healers having to heal you less will let them deal more damage

makes your hard pulls more safe

at the cost of 2% damage

it is essentially taking the defensive talent over an offensive one

[tired pivot]

it is probably not that high, I just threw out a number

[warm plinth]

It's short for "intentionally feeding". Comes from other games. Used to mean they're doing poorly.

[autumn urchin]

grieftorch resets cd when someone dies

[sick sentinel]

if you take less damage as a tank, that is less seconds and button presses healer has to hit to keep you alive

that they could be spending casting that shit on dps who are extremely fragile, or helping with DPS or CC

[tired pivot]

pretty sure it comes from League of Legends, there was a report option labled as Intentional feeding or something along those lines

[sick sentinel]

thats the very core of why you want to take less damage

[warm plinth]

Probably true. I never played League but I know enough that that makes sense

[jovial birch]

Thanks didn’t know that term. I knew about CD reset on death.

[sick sentinel]

inting = throwing the game in sports world

pass the ball to the wrong team type shit

and so if you are standing in a fire (passing the ball to wrong team) they call you out for inting (throwing)

[tired pivot]

the term really has evolved to just mean fucking up

[silk sandal]

does the 4p do much work in mythic raid?

i feel like my IP gets taken off immediately

[proud dock]

do u guys even track vanguard's or just let it kick in whenever u use revenge

[warm plinth]

No point in tracking it; it doesn't change how you play the spec

[sick sentinel]

to me there is fucking up and then inting is a more severe form of fucking up

like ttaking a bunch of damage and then putting fire shit on the group

something that left unchecked WILL wipe the group

[tired pivot]

it really just depends on who you are talking to

it is one of those versatile terms

[sand plover]

whats the argument for battle stance vs defensive stance? with the damage bonus from defensive stance is it worth to just sit that the whole time? of if im trying to pump damage in high keys do i just sit battle stance?

[fallen pulsar]

damage bonus in dstance?

[sick sentinel]

+10% dmg at all times

[warm plinth]

Damage bonus?

[tired pivot]

you just don't get the damage reduction

[sand plover]

you deal 10% extra damage in defensive stance as well as 15% reduction

[tired pivot]

from defensive stance

[fallen pulsar]

no you do less

[warm plinth]

No, you deal 10% LESS damage

[fallen pulsar]

10% less

[sand plover]

ooo

[rancid iris]

Lol

[warm plinth]

Generally you use Battle Stance unless you need Defensive Stance for something.

[fallen pulsar]

the general gospel here is always bstance unless it hurts/to block a big buster

[sick sentinel]

so, basically, you only ever leave bstance is if you see a mob that REALLY scares you

[sand plover]

is the dps difference like that major to want to sit battle stance the entire time if your just trying to do damage?

[warm plinth]

It's a 14% difference between Battle and Defensive

[fallen pulsar]

its major

[sick sentinel]

theres almost no situation to use dstance if you ask me

[tired pivot]

I have a rule of only using defensive stance in dangerous packs/big pulls after defensive cd's

[warm plinth]

Because not only do you lose 10% damage but you also lose the crit

[fallen pulsar]

in m+ the damage difference is pretty big

and saves you a ton of time

in raid, I haven't had a boss that makes me ever want to dstance yet

for any reason

[sand plover]

yeah i was just doing 19 court some hunter got pissed off cause i was sitting in bstance the entire time

[tired pivot]

why would a dps get pissed at that

[sand plover]

i was doing 55k overall and he was barely breaking 40k

[fallen pulsar]

were you out dpsing him

lmao

[tired pivot]

lmao

[fallen pulsar]

tell him to get good

[sand plover]

he was also 2400 io lmao

im sitting there like dawg come on now

[fallen pulsar]

lots of DPS being carried from what I can see

[tired pivot]

2.4k dps are the stragglers

I expect nothing from them

[fallen pulsar]

^

[tired pivot]

complete toss up on whether they are good at all or not

[sick sentinel]

mount soon

[severe steeple]

io means nothing, for real

[tired pivot]

jesus dude

[sand plover]

i didnt even get 2k yet with the holidays and shit i havent even been around to do keys i missed pretty much the entire first tyr week

[severe steeple]

dunno what means anything

but io means nothing

[fallen pulsar]

I love inviting DHs that forget they have an interrupt even though its to their benefit to do so lol

[tired pivot]

io is a good indication on how much you play

which is related to how good you are

so io is relevant

[sand plover]

last week i just did 18-19 on almost every key so the io this week is gonna get cracked

[severe steeple]

you can literally bang your head to the wall and get io eventually

[tired pivot]

yes

you will eventually get good

I want people who are good now

[cursive burrow]

That's a brave assumption.

I've been playing warrior since 2005 and I'm still poopoo at it.

[sturdy sable]

id quit the game'

[tired pivot]

I am sure that you can succeed with another 15 years

or die trying I guess

not sure how old you are

[cursive burrow]

There's now way I'd spend 3/4s of my life playing the same game right? buys 1 year subscription

[warm plinth]

did you die or something? Or was it completely just out of the blue?

[tired pivot]

nah, read a bit below

the hunter got pissy because of his dps

[sand plover]

no i didnt die or nothing

he was just like dude you been in the wrong stance this entire time

[warm plinth]

🙄

[tired pivot]

only time when I recommend defensive stance being on all the time is when you are doing a drastically higher difficulty, than your experience, on a dungeon. Or big/dangerous pulls after cd's

some might not agree, but defensive stance adds a lot of safety to "new" content

[sand plover]

like thats generally what i do

is if i have wall or last stand off cd and i kinda feel unsafe

i just swap over to d stance

but outside of that im just in battle stance the entire time

[raw sun]

any thoughts on this vault? i mainly do keys and i have lfr tier gloves so the pants would be 2 set i guess but isnt puzzle box terrible for prot?

[tired pivot]

2 set is better

puzzle box isn't good for prot to my knowledge

[sand plover]

id take the decoration over the puzzle box

even with that ilvl difference

decoration shield is cracked in m+ when you do big pulls

[raw sun]

yeah thats also something i was considering with my trink setup

[sand plover]

if your gonna get 2p from that though take that instead

[tired pivot]

I really like all-totem as the trinket

it does insane damage

[sand plover]

damn 402 pants taking the 389 is yikes

[dark cosmos]

Q: it makes no difference which BS 1h i craft right? like the only difference is weapon type?

[raw sun]

yeah

[sand plover]

2p is strong though

[dark cosmos]

it just seems like EVERYONE takes longsword

[tired pivot]

swords are coolest

I think there was a reason

but I can't remember why it was that swords are best

[raw sun]

this vault feels bad man

[tired pivot]

take 2 set if you don't raid

[dark cosmos]

now im even more paranoid haha

[raw sun]

i might wait till i do lfr and pug the raid before i grab anything

[tired pivot]

otherwise I think you should get the all totem

out of the other choices

totem dealt about 1 million damage in this 20 rlp we failed, before 1st boss

that was with defensive stance

I pulled big

[raw sun]

yeah i might grab either that or decoration depending on drops from raid or lfr i think

def not gonna grab the puzzle box had taht for a little from m0 and it was awfult lol

[tired pivot]

don't forget that totem gives other effect in addition to tons of flat damage

[drifting lotus]

question: are people getting trucked by the third boss in temple?

[tired pivot]

I am totem pilled

[drifting lotus]

the jade portion

[tired pivot]

I think it is the best trinket to have

[raw sun]

mmm ill look into that more i guess

[tired pivot]

So from what I can tell, there are four different stances: Fire, Ice, Wind, and Earth

Each of the stances imparts you with a counter attack that can provide additional buffs.
Each counter attack has the ability to crit for x2 its normal damage.

All of these numbers are based on the 395 ilvl version of the item.
Fire: Counter attack hits for about 10k and puts a dot on the enemies that does an additional 10k over 6 seconds.
Ice: Counter attack hits for about 10k and gives you a buff that heals you for 13k each second for 6 seconds.
Wind: Counter attack hits for about 15k and gives you a buff that increases your haste rating by 1900 for 6 seconds.
Earth: Counter attack hits for about 7k and gives you a buff that increases armor by 3659 for 8 seconds.
The times on buffs may not be perfect, but the other numbers are all accurate for a 395 ilvl trinket.

that is from a wowhead comment

[warm plinth]

Yes. Try to use your self healing spells to help get rid of the healing absorb so the healer can heal the DoT.

Impending Victory, Last Stand, healing potion, healthstone

[hollow token]

yes... i did this week

[tired pivot]

the totem procs every 30 seconds

[jovial birch]

Hmm interesting to see your hype on this I have felt it is kind of lackluster

[tired pivot]

it deals 2 million damage as a trinket sometimes

as just the text on the damage procs

[raw sun]

decent effects too bad it only procs off of parry which isnt super ideal for prot but its not bad

[jovial birch]

Decoration of flame at 389 usually has higher damage % then totem procs addd together at end of run.

[mighty valley]

the totem stances are also giving you buffs

[tired pivot]

gotta remember that it also gives haste on some procs

and armor/heal on others

[raw sun]

i think i lean more toward decoration, its basically blood-spattered scale which was insane as well

[tired pivot]

1900 is a ton of haste for normal raid ilvl

[raw sun]

true

[tired pivot]

if you get it on heroic or mythic, it should be higher

tho I haven't tested it

[mighty valley]

what's your other trinket? they're both good

[hollow token]

surprised that never got nerfed

[jovial birch]

Yeah I have normal version

[tired pivot]

Is this the item from BFA or SL?

the BFA one was much stronger

[raw sun]

shadow lands

it was from de other side

[dusky sentinel]

what gem did I fit in lariat again?

[tired pivot]

hm, I don't remember it, moment

[raw sun]

i think on m0 it dropped from hakar

[warm plinth]

Blood-Spattered Scale was from SL

[tired pivot]

oh, I see, yeah it looks exactly like that

[warm plinth]

Not sure which BFA one you're referring to though

[tired pivot]

the one from nzoth

absorb shield that takes 80% reduced damage

[raw sun]

oh psycic shell

[tired pivot]

that

[raw sun]

that was also insanely good

[tired pivot]

absorb shields peaked with that trinket

[warm plinth]

It was capped though

I don't remember it being that great, but I could be wrong. I didn't do much pwar shit in BFA besides tanking a few keys here and there.

[tired pivot]

It was the BiS trinket for highest keys iirc

damage mitigation on tanks was much more relevant

[raw sun]

yeah

[tired pivot]

since we had all that insane damage and healing

[severe hatch]

Have any of you guys considered replacing your cobalt assembly ring yet?

Or is the absorb just too OP to pass up

[tired pivot]

people usually run the dps one

unless I'm wrong

[dry tide]

is the 4 set bonus decent for prot?

[tired pivot]

it is decent

[severe hatch]

The absorb ring is vastly more popular according to subcreation

[dry tide]

like its worth taking a 398 vault piece to complete my 4 set or picking a 411 set of legs?

[chilly brook]

It was good but it was like running vers corruption in keys

You didn’t need nor want it until very high keys

[tired pivot]

according to what?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm looking back at keys in BFA S4 and it seems a fair few are running it but we were virtually immortal in S4 BFA

[chilly brook]

Subcreation is useless without knowing what it’s pulling information from and why people are running the items

[warm plinth]

So not sure why we'd need it

[toxic gyro]

Snapping few packs of saurids and middle pack in AD, you could feel the dmg, especially initial ones

[chilly brook]

All subcreation is is an amalgamation of data from keys being completed, it doesn’t mean there’s a good reason for running something or that you even need to

[toxic gyro]

Even with almost 120% vers

[chilly brook]

Consequently it also doesn’t disprove that running something is a bad idea

[tired pivot]

stuff that takes data from EVERYTHING without filters

is bad

every bad player could be running a mid trinket

[severe hatch]

The top talents, gear, enchants, and gems based on the top 3929 Protection Warrior M+ logs (1525 unique characters) from the past 4 weeks, ranging in difficulty from +17 to +23.

Specifically when I'm responding to whether the DPS or absorb Cobalt Assembly rings are more popular, this is the only objective dataset I am aware of

[tired pivot]

that place would tell you it is BiS

[chilly brook]

I know what it does

That doesn’t mean it’s correct

[severe hatch]

Then why say "without knowing what it's pulling information from"

We know exactly what it's pulling information from

[toxic gyro]

Also casters still hurt

Or shadow of zul

[warm plinth]

Not only that (re: the cobalt shield ring), but you're essentially just replacing healing that IP would do with healing that the ring is doing, because the ring shield is consumed first. I don't think it actually gives you much of a survival/HPS boost. It's like the VDH people who think you should use soulmonger.

[chilly brook]

“Top” prot warriors do things that are wrong all the time

[severe hatch]

As far as why, probably because it's 10-12% of your healing done in a given key

[chilly brook]

Look at their streams

Their rotations often aren’t good

[severe hatch]

I provided that response contextualizing which Cobalt Assembly ring is better

[warm plinth]

tbf you generally just blew every CD you had on Zul and then ran away on high keys XD

[severe hatch]

I literally lead in with asking whether anyone has considered replacing it yet specifically because I recognize that subcreation is not the objectively correct answer

[toxic gyro]

Pretty much

[warm plinth]

I would never have used it in the first place.

[hasty moon]

anyone know the cheese for Vexamus in Algethar Academy? I was told you can stand at the stairs or something

[chilly brook]

Because the why portion of my statement is important

[severe hatch]

I speculated above

Anyways, if you're done discussing the relative merits of subcreation, it was never the actual question. Simply a tool to point out to Kabum which ring is being used more frequently

Not which ring is correct to use

[chilly brook]

You run the damage one

Until you can’t

[warm plinth]

The correct ring to use is the DPS one, and you can sim to see when you should replace it.

It will get outpaced by higher ilevel rings with decent stats

[chilly brook]

It’s basically that simple

And I seriously doubt the extra “healing” you’d see from the ring would lead to any meaningful difference in ability to complete keys

[thorn bone]

Heya guys just a quick question. Is it worth crafting shield 405 with armor spikes on it? I already crafted 1h sword with emb

[mighty valley]

early pusher tanks are often just running under the correct principle that survivability > all at that level, but don't spend much time in communities doing the math to figure out what's actually giving survivability. see: top pushers still running codex deep into SL S3/4

[warm plinth]

It's worth crafting a 405 shield. Whether you put armor spikes on it or not is completely up to you, but largely irrelevant either way.

[chilly brook]

Top warriors running codex made me cry

[thorn bone]

I’m also thinking for lariat but already have decent neck so thinking for later

[chilly brook]

The trinket that actively works against how you work

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can also just remove the spikes later if you make lariat

[timber coral]

worth equipping an lfr piece for 2 set? lmao I don't think I have the fortitude to run it

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth do I suck it up and play fury or be stubborn and play arms

[warm plinth]

Probably

[midnight tulip]

@chilly brook Play what you find fun brudda

[warm plinth]

idk fury bores me now. Feels like shit to not have bonegrinder carrying you through the time between CDs

[midnight tulip]

still get good numbers outa arms

[warm plinth]

You blast and then you hit like a wet noodle waiting for CDs

[chilly brook]

I can’t believe how much I no lifed yesterday

Leveled from 60 to 70, did the weekly and got a 10 in all in one day

[cinder nova]

Arms in PVP feels so cash though. Sweeping Strikes into CS > SoB > Ava + BS

Watching the Unhinged procs Sweep off one another is a meme

[prisma crane]

2p is really good, imo it's worth it

[radiant path]

Does anyone know if the Unstable Frost Fire Belt counts as "fire damage" to proc the broodkeeper's ring? Does frost fire count as cold damage or frost damage?

[chilly brook]

Unhinged + signet is just chefs kiss

[prisma crane]

it counts as both

it works for that ring

[radiant path]

Dope

I guess that makes my vault decision easy. I got the normal version of that ring in the vault vs 418 tier legs.

Thanks!

[timber coral]

Damn alright guess it's LFR time

[prisma crane]

get the legs for sure

[radiant path]

You think?

Isn't the ring bis?

[prisma crane]

that ring is the absorb ring right?

[radiant path]

Yeah

[prisma crane]

we don't need it

the ring from first boss is great for damage, but you'll get more out of those legs than the absorb ring

[cinder nova]

DPS ring or bust

[prisma crane]

unless you're replacing like 415 tier legs for 418

even then i'd probably take the pants

[cinder nova]

I have to Sim 2p against a ruby

[radiant path]

Here's the thing though... I'll have 4 piece in 3 weeks anyways once we can turn stuff into tier

[cinder nova]

It'll probably be 2p, but I want to see if I get 2p this week first

[prisma crane]

the whelp? afaik that thing doesnt sim properly

but 2p is probably better regardless

[nimble laurel]

is blazebinder's worth spending valor on?

[cinder nova]

No, the rumbling ruby

[prisma crane]

the takeaway is more that that ring isn't that good anyways, we dont really need that absorb

[prisma crane]

ohhh, ok

[chilly brook]

Right now I wouldn’t spend valor on much of anything

[cinder nova]

Unless you have max on all your gear, no

[chilly brook]

Unless you get it at a very high ilvl from almost doing max keys and you know you’ll never replace the item

[prisma crane]

i hate that hoof, i almost never got the full 6 stacks

[chilly brook]

That’s just my .02

[raw parcel]

BV still bugged?

[cinder nova]

Honestly I feel like dumping Valor on anything that isn't weapon, shield, chest/head, etc. In that order feels kinda meme

You get so much more out of an overall high ilvl on big pieces

[sudden gazelle]

Hows this resets affixes? Havent played tyrannical yet this expansion

[chilly brook]

Why does everyone keep asking about BV

[viral field]

sheeesh pog

[raw parcel]

Tyrannical makes some of the dungeons pains in the ass.

I HATE YOU. I need those shoulders. ><

[prisma crane]

only shit part is tyrannical, rest isnt bad

[raw parcel]

And because it's bugged and I'm hoping that they've fixed it because it's otherwise pretty useful? When it works.

[sudden gazelle]

Tyrannical made me scared of playing in the past expansions

xD

[mighty valley]

tyrannical is always very variable

dungeons with hard checks? nightmare. the others? free

[chilly brook]

The only way you’ll even notice if it’s not working is logs

And it’s still the better talent investment even with the possibility of it not working properly

[foggy drift]

Is it bad I only have 6% vers 🥲

[chilly brook]

No

Don’t worry about having a specific amount of stats

Ilvl>stats

[craggy pilot]

how does Sanguine work with bosses? 🤔

[chilly brook]

Vers stacking is a meme

[craggy pilot]

was 100% sure the DF bosses didnt get healed, but just had the COS boss get healed by Sanguine

[chilly brook]

It’s a good stat, but you don’t need vers to be a good tank

[chilly brook]

My man

Crit haste like a boss

[foggy drift]

Yeah the reason my vers is that low is cause I’ve only been going for ilvl

[oak echo]

sanguine always healed everything

[craggy pilot]

i had the last boss of Nokhud standing in Sanguine

didnt heal

was thinking they fixed it for bosses in DF

[chilly brook]

Not everything

[oak echo]

ahh

[chilly brook]

Sanguine heals everything BUT seasonal affix bosses

[craggy pilot]

but aparently it still heals COS bosses

fucking with my brain

[chilly brook]

It should heal bosses

AFAIK

At least it has in expansions past

[oak echo]

well yes fair. i do remember seasonal stuff always being unaffected by most affixes. but interesting that some bosses might not heal with it anymore

i didn't remember them specifically changing that for DF

[craggy pilot]

idk

[honest vale]

It absolutely does heal normal dungeon bosses. Nhallish was standing in a sanguine puddle every time I did SBG this week.

[craggy pilot]

maybe i missed something on the Nokhud boss

[sick sentinel]

got the citadel mount

[oak echo]

this was very confusing to me every time we got down there lol

where was that puddle coming from

[prisma crane]

he kills an add

as you get there

[oak echo]

oh

[prisma crane]

yea its just not marked as one to not drop sanguine

not that it matters much since you just attack him and he moves

[honest vale]

It despawns on pull anyway, or really short after.

[prisma crane]

yea

[tulip kelp]

There's no spark this week yeah?

[prisma crane]

you can also trigger that early if you run up while killing last trash

next wk

[fading tide]

Do I need spell block for nokhould?

[honest vale]

And I always leap over to get the ghosty-boi out of the grave in the water, so he's pulled out of it.

[tulip kelp]

Feels bad wasting spark week one, constant catch up

[prisma crane]

shouldn't no

[tulip kelp]

Is it just me or is there 0 belts that drop? I still have my 376 one

[prisma crane]

the rest of your group could benefit if they had a spell block though lmao

[tawdry dove]

just unlucky, I was rocking a 365 ring since like week 1

[honest vale]

I'd say the primary dungeons for SB are Temple and Life Pools. However, you could make an argument for SBG, as well.

[tulip kelp]

Yeah rings and belts not dropping for me.. I've had like 20 different cloaks tho

[prisma crane]

i use in SBG because its not like spikes is insane anyways

[tulip kelp]

Lotta people use in AV too

[sick sentinel]

i got a 398 belt in vault today

[honest vale]

I've never tested it, but Spell Block may work on the Void Slashes in the beginning.

[prisma crane]

does it work on the rock toss dudes in AV?

[tulip kelp]

Piercing Shards? Yeah

[prisma crane]

ah, then yea i could see that

[mellow quartz]

A lot of piercing shards damage is the dot though

[drifting needle]

It does yeh.

[honest vale]

It's main use is probably Dragon Strike on last boss though. That shit hurts and it's pure arcane damage.

[prisma crane]

can reflect almost every one of those though

[mellow quartz]

Spell block is great for AV on fort in the 2nd boss area

[tulip kelp]

I can spell reflect like 90% dragon strike

Yeah

[honest vale]

I don't really struggle with Dragon Strike on last boss, but the fucking bubbles on that fight. I don't understand them at all.

[tulip kelp]

SB is good for the ice cutter thing too right

That thing can truck

[mellow quartz]

Just watch the timer of dragon strike and use SR a few seconds earlier and you can usually get more in there. If you press it as the cast goes off sometimes it won’t be up for the next one.

[honest vale]

The physical part, yes.

[cinder storm]

They aggro but since you can't taunt they aggro by healing and guess who heals a bunch? Us

[prisma crane]

afaik they're proximity, not threat

[honest vale]

Is there some sort of strat to them? They seem to follow for a short duration, then stop.

[prisma crane]

and to avoid them just be aggressive with moving the boss around

[honest vale]

That fight would be a joke w/o them.

[prisma crane]

and when you move move big

[cinder storm]

They follow taunt rules

[mellow quartz]

Don’t move unless you have to basically

[prisma crane]

i tend to just charge to one of the further spikes when they spawn

[prisma crane]

are you sure about this? because i've had them chase down our dps before

[cinder storm]

Haven't you noticed how there's a a melee or two and you end up with three or four?

[honest vale]

Maybe charge to furthest spike, let DPS kill them, then leap to clear more distance?

I don't want to leap before those spikes are dead. xD

[prisma crane]

the melee are bodies that are closest to them and then they move out to dps and you're still near boss

play with all range and you barely have to deal with them

im like 90% sure they're just proximity

[honest vale]

He only spawns those bubbles once, right?

[prisma crane]

tbh i have no idea

[fallow osprey]

75% 50% 25%

[prisma crane]

yea that makes sense, thanks

[honest vale]

Those are the crystal hp %, though.

[raven olive]

Is the weapon in NO any good for prot, is there any weapon I should go for?

[dawn falcon]

a combo of charging to a crystal and then later leaping helps me on av. with a side of emergency riding the tankbuster kb

[sick sentinel]

yeah dude for real, after installing my new cpu cooler tempuratures while gaming gone from 75 to 50

[honest vale]

I think the consensus is that it's overrated, but if it's better than what you have, take it.

[dawn falcon]

tbh its still scary sometimes, has had me eyeing the reducing leap cd talent

[prisma crane]

that weapon was great for me

proc did as much dmg as the embellishment

ilvl always wins though

i'd kill for a 421 one

[honest vale]

Really? You see more than a mil off the proc?

[prisma crane]

i havent used it in a while, but i remember it being strong and outpacing my shield spikes

[raven olive]

ilvl > anything then, if I could push for a high level weapon would that be a good one to go for? it's got crit mast is the only thing i don't like

[honest vale]

I suppose it does about the same dmg as two armor spikes embellishments and it gets 2-3 procs per min.

[cinder storm]

They should change that weapon name at least

False advertisement

[tidal coyote]

do y'all open your great vault in prot spec?

[prisma crane]

secondaries dont matter that much

[mighty valley]

will do until i have a great shield/trinket

[severe hatch]

If you don't need a shield you're usually better off as fury spec

[raven olive]

@honest vale @prisma crane Thank you!

[tidal coyote]

dont need shield but do need wep

[severe hatch]

but there are pros/cons

[prisma crane]

thats why fury since you can still get a 1H

[odd tree]

Fury, I also run dps every once and a while, so won't pass the chance for a 2hander

[tidal coyote]

oh true.

ty

[prisma crane]

but then you have a chance to get a 2H, but you also get access to dps trinkets which are often the better ones

[honest vale]

I looted tier from Vault today to form my 2pc, felt great. I'm missing my shield while I wait for someone on my realm to recraft it. 💤

[tidal coyote]

well, didnt matter got crappy cloak/neck/tier I already have lol

[raven olive]

is Decoration of Flame up there in terms of a good trinket? What are some good defensive or offensive trinkets?

[cinder storm]

I'm either looting a shield tonight from vault or hoping to find a crafter

[prisma crane]

so glad i had my pvp shield, never crossed my mind that i would lose the item while its off to recraft lol

[prisma crane]

it's a top tier trinket because it's solid in both D and O

[cinder storm]

It makes sense but at the same time it was a surprise

[prisma crane]

exactly

im not complaining because it makes perfect sense, just wasnt ready for it

[pine stump]

Is there a way for warriors to do fire damage?

[raven olive]

is there another trinket that fits that bill in O n D?

[prisma crane]

best way is crafted belt

[pine stump]

hmm

[prisma crane]

only worth imo if you have the eranog ring, not brood ring

though the belt is solid anyways

so its not a big loss or anything

[pine stump]

yea, I got the eranor ring

[prisma crane]

i'm not sure, i mostly have my eyes on just the O trinkets

[pine stump]

and stats are good for Prot

[prisma crane]

yea

[pine stump]

So just try to get the fire proc as well

[prisma crane]

?

[raven olive]

Gotcha thank you again for the info

[prisma crane]

np, we're really tanky as it is, so more damage is typically more ideal

[pine stump]

You mean the frostfire belt? Does it proc?

[prisma crane]

historically we've only needed D trinkets if we had a specific use for it, otherwise always default to dmg trinkets

[tired pivot]

frostfire belt is the best way to proc raid rings

we have no better way to do it

[prisma crane]

frostfire is frost and fire dmg, so every proc will count as fire dmg

if only burning writ was a fire proc dmg

missed opportunity imo to make more enchants more interesting

also disappointing that frozen devo/writ is the better ST option and less for aoe, seems backwards

[raven olive]

if only we had Forgestorm

[grave wedge]

Sooo i need to pug an AA key suggestions for comp to deal with that tree boss. figure hunters and a good way to go this week

[stoic pilot]

Does demoralizing shout generate threat on targets?

[mossy crypt]

Sorry what is the item for the weapon embellishment called?

With the physical dmg proc

[subtle owl]

Hi guys! Is there any chances someone could helm me to choose my trinkets ?

Blazebinder's hoof 392
decoration of flame 402
Burgeoning seed 392
All-totem of the master 395

Doing mostly m+

[raven olive]

Strike Twice?

[mossy crypt]

Nah the one which can proc and deal about 5k dmg

Got it i guess, Fang adornments

[raven olive]

Oh my b I read the question wrong

[mossy crypt]

All good, ty anyway 🙂

[honest vale]

No, that would be Disrupting Shout.

[cinder nova]

Does uh...

Does Rumbling Ruby sim right?

And/or does hoof oversim?

[stoic pilot]

Yeah I know it doesn’t aoe taunt but I’m curious if the application of demoralizing shout does any threat

[dusky sentinel]

I need a hand at this crafting thingie. Havent tried it yet (Im slow). If I put in a crafting order on lariat in public. And somebody make a 395 instead of a 405. Can I deny it if ive put in a price commisioned for it or is it just whatever on a public order?

[cinder nova]

Debuffing does generate threat, but not much.

So does buffing.

Well, it used to. I'm not so sure anymore, but it was a trivial amount even in Vanilla, so...

[craggy pilot]

how much would a +2 ilvl drop cost to valor upgrade to max? 🤔

[warm plinth]

Depends on the slot

[cinder nova]

Depends on the slot.

🥷 fuck

[warm plinth]

Love you S

❤️

[honest vale]

Ghash is fast af boy!

[cinder nova]

But, assuming it's a slot worth putting valor into? Over 2.5K

[craggy pilot]

if its a wep then 🙂

[cinder nova]

So, a lot.

[honest vale]

Oh dear god.

[cinder nova]

1h is over 2.5K

[warm plinth]

6000 valor?

for 1-13

[nocturne estuary]

is granyth's scale worth upgrading?

[cinder nova]

No.

[warm plinth]

500x12

[craggy pilot]

farming wep on +12 then

[honest vale]

Yeah, weapons are, "I hope I get it from Vault" or you're farming higher keys.

[cinder nova]

I got a Strike Twice on a 16 NKO

Felt so cash

[warm plinth]

that's pog

[nocturne estuary]

@cinder nova I got the crystalized bulwark shield (haste/vers) is that worth upgrading with valor?

[craggy pilot]

i did like 8 Nokhud

and 20 COS

[cinder nova]

Yes. Shield upgrades are very, very impactful on our survival.

[craggy pilot]

no wep

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't upgrade anything that's giga low tbh

Like, weapon and shield can be crafted at a decently high ilevel and you should prioritize those

[honest vale]

How many beads did you get?

[craggy pilot]

5 i think

[honest vale]

What a moment.

[craggy pilot]

and i have a shit ton of capes from COS

[steel juniper]

I should buy a lottery ticket

[warm plinth]

wow

[honest vale]

I feel like the sword from Academy is better than Strike Twice.

[warm plinth]

That's a ring right there

[honest vale]

Damn, I can't react to his image...

[cinder nova]

I can tell you right now if it is or isn't.

Hmm... does howling rune or whetstone sim higher? I can't find an option for it

[warm plinth]

Whetstone is AP right? I would imagine that would sim higher

[cinder nova]

Strike Twice is better.

[steady steppe]

why

[gusty vessel]

hey yall I got 395 boots in my vault w/ crit/vers which would replace 326 boots on my warrior OR a 382 tier chest. I know tier is BiS for armor piece but the item lvl upgrade for the boots is huge (although theyre not my BiS boots)

thoughts?

[raven olive]

By a good margin or is it close?

[cinder nova]

About 1%

[gusty vessel]

the tier chest would only be a 10 ilvl upgrade for me but idk if ill see tier in my vault for chest

[cinder nova]

So a few hundred DPS.

[sick sentinel]

u got the super duper ring

[raven olive]

so they close not bad, guess ill go grind NO

[cinder nova]

Yeah, it's not huge, but if you have the choice between the two going S2 is better.

[raven olive]

thanks homie

[echo spindle]

Hello. What ability/talent pulls through floors(snaps)? Had it happen multiple dungeons. Ex.: SBG fighting top spiders, pulled bottom spiders. OR Azure Vaults, first ring after 1st boss, pulled packs from 2nd ring bellow. Always pulls from beneath.

[true hound]

Yo. What do we do about Primal Stormshield mobs in nookhud?

[cinder nova]

wut

[true hound]

Is there any way to avoid getting smashed by lightning cudgel?

[frosty mango]

Yes use spell block and reflect

[honest vale]

I definitely didn't sim it. My stance was from stats. The two being same ilvl leads to Strike Twice being better? I can see that since the latter has the dmg proc, but crit/mas over haste/vers? 🤔

[uncut forge]

Hey all, got a quick Elemental Lariat question about the gems, do i wanna just put in the same gems 3x or does that lower the proc rate or something?

[clear spindle]

How do we feel about the puzzle box as a stat stick? I can choose between an 408 puzzle box or 392 tier gloves.

[frosty mango]

If you play dps at all, puzzle box is leagues above everything else but prot 4pc is great

[true hound]

I do, but when its off cd, what then..

[slim dove]

how big is eranog ring + belt again? got a choice between 408 eranog ring or 20 ilvl bump on chest (non tier)

[glacial eagle]

Are we able to proc seal of diurans chosen?

[slim dove]

with frostfire belt, yes

[true hound]

Everything else in the instance seems fine, and is no problem at all. But those stormshield mobs cuck me. Feels like i'm om my last lifeline every time.

[true hound]

Is it worth it though?

[delicate depot]

Is the tier earned from raid unupgradable, but the tier from M+ is?

[true hound]

I got diurnas from the chest

[frosty mango]

I rotate, block + reflect for one pack, wall + reflect for the next. Max IP for each and demo shout a few into the pull

[slim dove]

yes its pretty good.

forget how good.

[true hound]

Alright, guess i'll have to actually stagger my defensives then

[frosty mango]

I also use d stance for those

On fort weeks

Also make sure you're not standing in the totem aoe

[thorn bone]

Heya guys again. I’m in a dilemma. Shield needs 2 sparks which I forgot haha…and I used one to craft 1h. Is it worth keeping 1 for lariat then using the 3rd to craft belt? What would you recommend? Primal molten or frost fire belt?☺️

[true hound]

Right, i have dstance. Keep forgetting

[tired pivot]

does intervene take the damage from fenrir when he targets a random party member in p2?

[warm plinth]

Yes

It's worth running it in HoV just for that imo

[tired pivot]

how do we know who is targeted?

[honest vale]

Nah, my teammates are on their own.

[tired pivot]

is it just target target frame

[cinder nova]

The difference in secondaries on a weapon aren't the life or death of you, your play is.

[warm plinth]

Probably just target target, but he might put an icon over them I guess? I can't remember atm

[cinder nova]

The defensive value of each secondary is also very close, which - coupled with STR being so good - is why ilvl is generally king.

So it's just functionally leaving damage on the table

[slim dove]

lilwigs should ping it.

[honest vale]

That's a fair assessment. I don't have the sword from Academy, just 48 puzzle boxes. I do have Strike Twice, though.

[warm plinth]

Only downside is that if you pug, even telling them not to run may not actually prevent them from running

[sick sentinel]

should i pick a 415 Goldsteel Greathelm that has Crit Vers, or pick the 415 ruby whelp shell? My current trinkets are blazebindershoof 392 and decoration of flame 389

[honest vale]

I can't trust people to kick in pugs, so no shot a pug trusts me to intervene them. LOL

[sick sentinel]

and for my helm i currently have a 402 goldsteel helm

[honest vale]

Besides, unless he bugs out during Scent and gets his like 1000% speed boost, you should be good.

First Halls key I did of the season, Fenryr was so fast during Scent, like he literally was teleporting to the target. xD

[sick sentinel]

what should i replace with a 415 whelp trinket? i currently have decoration of flame 389 and blazebinder hoof on 392. which one do i replace?

[quiet monolith]

For raz , I should probably be in more like my m+ spec right with my aoe stun ?

I have trouble getting threat on the adds

On platforms

[mystic fog]

is there any way for warriors to do fire damage?

[quiet monolith]

Belt

[pastel ledge]

spellbane cutless or strike twice? i got both in vault

[warm plinth]

The higher ilevel one. Strike if they're the same ilevel

[glacial eagle]

Does the earanog ring proc for us? Do we do fire damage?

[warm plinth]

Best bet is to craft the frostfire belt

The proc will trigger the ring

[sand torrent]

why do i see the tank trinket from vault so much ?

[warm plinth]

🤷

RNG be RNGing

[jade pulsar]

Do u only kill the first bosses?

[reef holly]

I can’t keep shield block up 100%, can anyone take a look at my talents and tell me if I’m missing something? I’ve read the guides on wowhead and icyveins, maybe I just need to get good?! BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSSkkQikSSSKFEBCFJSUSSACkE0CJJICECAAAAAAAkEAAKlGA

[sand torrent]

is it so good or what is up with that trinket ?

[jade pulsar]

Are u talking about the one from first boss?

[sand torrent]

yea

[warm plinth]

Why can't you keep it up? Are you short on rage?

[jade pulsar]

Its good, the dmg is a bit random though since it depends how many mobs are hit

[sand torrent]

oh okay

maybe i wanna get my hands on one then

[quiet monolith]

So I've only crafted lariat, and got my first raz kill

Should I just boost lariat

[warm plinth]

If you don't have a high ilevel weapon/shield, those are priority

[violet spruce]

Heavy Repercussions with Shield Charge Talent really helps

[warm plinth]

He already has those

[quiet monolith]

My wep isn't that great, but I also play a lot of fury

[jade pulsar]

Getting lariat is the important part, ilvl is less important - after that i'd go with weapon or shield

[quiet monolith]

Ok ty

I'm rocking only 384 wep and shield

[reef holly]

I can keep it around 85% in combat according to Details. I’m mainly pugging in the +10 range and I find I’m running around a lot dealing with bad groups and getting distracted by letting it fall off, or pushing SB twice for both charges

[thorn bone]

Guys what would you recommend frostfire belt or primal with stats + emb?😋

[warm plinth]

Uptime in Details is not relevant. You want to see your % of blocked hits in logs.

[jade pulsar]

Do u have the fire proc ring?

[warm plinth]

Pushing it twice is not necessarily bad, as long as you're not wasting the duration (meaning as long as you're being hit the entire time it's active)

[thorn bone]

The ring from brood? No

[reef holly]

Ah ok will have to check the logs then thanks!

[thorn bone]

Nor the ring from eranog

[jade pulsar]

Then sim it in droptimizer, can't say whats best for u

[onyx idol]

Is the ring from brood any good? Do we do fire damage?

[jade pulsar]

No, thats why u need the belt if u get it

[warm plinth]

Also spec out of Barbaric Training for Bounding Stride or Intimidating Shout, and swap out of Enduring alacrity for Battering Ram

[jade pulsar]

But the ring is good

[onyx idol]

Wait I think I have the opposite one in the vault lemme check

ah yeah mine is off Eranog, the first guy. Fire damage procs a DoT

My dilema is I have a 376 epic crafted ring of haste/vers and the cobalt assembly ring for the shield, and my vault is heroic fire dmg proc ring and a 411 platinum star band

[wind oak]

fire dmg ring is nice

you craft the belt

and just destroy everything

[onyx idol]

Thinking of getting that, making the belt and dropping the 376 ring. But that's a lot of haste to lose.

[slim dove]

youd take eranog ring over 411 band every time.

[wind oak]

getting the 2 fire ring is kinda of a big deal

[slim dove]

idk like 2k dps i think i've read?

[onyx idol]

Lord, alrighty then

[wind oak]

you can do a gear compare

and see how much it will be for you

[flat sorrel]

Can someone help me pick the best trinkets from these 3? I have Filial Duty and Diurnas chosen rings to proc fire stuff but no belt yet. These are the trinkets and I can upgrade blazebinder if it’s better

[warm plinth]

I'd use hoof and ruby myself. But any combination of those is probably fine

[tulip harness]

Read a conversation here the other day about stats, are we running haste crit for keys now? not haste vers?

[warm plinth]

But you'd need to upgrade hoof to make it worth

If you're not upgrading, use ruby and flame

[flat sorrel]

Is it worth the bot to upgrade

Valor**

[warm plinth]

We run whatever stats are the highest ilevel. Equal ilevel you want haste and honestly who cares what the other stat is

[rotund thicket]

anyone an idea what i spellreflected for 1,3mill? i had no logs on

[autumn urchin]

What dungeon

[mighty valley]

when you move out of melee range of the tempest boss, it does a cast

[warm plinth]

It's a strong trinket but it's obvious that you raid so I'm not sure I'd bother since you can get grieftorch or all-totem from raid

[tulip harness]

Yeah I see, just crafting lariat, and unsure what the second stat should be

[mighty valley]

do that every time SR is up

[rotund thicket]

its from trash, not from the boss

[warm plinth]

Either crit or vers is fine @tulip harness

[tulip harness]

Ait ty

[rotund thicket]

what the hell is Surge?

[steady steppe]

from the totem?

[ionic roost]

The air elemental in the pack

One in 3 of the 4 in the storm area

[rotund thicket]

the boss got hit from surge for 2,8 mil total

[ionic roost]

Interesting

[warm plinth]

Log would be more helpful tbh, if you have it

[rotund thicket]

sadly not i forgot to active them

[warm plinth]

Did someone else in your group log possibly?

[rotund thicket]

but the boss just died at like 5% so we where wondering

[blazing condor]

I cant think of any dg thats better on tyr than fort

[ornate thunder]

What claps so hard on the skeleton packs at the start of SMB

[warm plinth]

I wonder if the boss just got a bunch of orbs at the end and it's the magic proc that he has when he's buffed?

[ornate thunder]

Is it just their melee

[rotund thicket]

they cast a slash

[ornate thunder]

Ah

[rotund thicket]

boss had 0 stacks

[warm plinth]

hmm

[rotund thicket]

i was moving out of melee for reflecting the windburst

[ionic roost]

Void slash, but their autos do a lot of you have Frailty on yourself

[rotund thicket]

and then he just died after he got hit

[ionic roost]

Which is a dispel

[warm plinth]

weird

[buoyant narwhal]

Can you only do this in a range comp, would melee dps get 1 banged?

[rotund thicket]

your group doesnt matter

you can line it with the aoe so you have dr + reflect

and you give your melees space if they are cluncky

[limber python]

is horn of valor good or poop

deciding between that and tier piece

[ornate thunder]

I only noticed in with Drac healers, can they not remove it?

[warm plinth]

It's okay but I wouldn't take it over a tier piece

[ionic roost]

They should, but they might not be tracking dispells

[warm plinth]

If it's magic, any healer can dispel it

[ionic roost]

It's just a magic debuff

[warm plinth]

It's baseline; they don't even have to talent it

[buoyant narwhal]

thx

[tulip harness]

Did they change vault time?

[warm plinth]

idk, what is it right now?

Or do you mean great vault?

[tulip harness]

ye

[warm plinth]

They did, yeah. It's 5am for EU now

[cinder storm]

5am for eu

[tulip harness]

yeah okay, cool, thanks

[cinder nova]

I doubt the answer is yes, but are we pressing Revenge during Execute phase with 2p?

[cinder storm]

@warm plinth what's the thing mages can spell steal for ele boss in notgud

[rotund thicket]

2p buff > execute, you can use it if you have enough rage

[blazing condor]

Could be worth to keep buff up if needed ig

[craggy pilot]

man feels so bad signing to +11 COS as 400 ilvl

all these 385 ilvl tanks not getting a chance to join 🤣

[quiet monolith]

If I had to choose between crafting weapon or shield. Any preference ?

[cinder storm]

Shield

[craggy pilot]

depends what ilvl you have, but usually shield

[quiet monolith]

Both same ilvl

[pallid quiver]

That's the way it always is and will be. Either do it first or not at all

[quiet monolith]

Currently 384

[dire matrix]

is upgrading a shield heinous compared to crafting 418?

im guesing yes

[cinder storm]

I would craft it, save your valor, you can always get one from vault

[dire matrix]

wouldnt upgrade current bad stats anyway

jw

could upgrade my 405 haste/vers bracers

pretty cheap

and bis stats

[cinder nova]

Lads... I'm doing a 16 AA to get rid of my dogwater 11 from week 1

We tell the monk to take detox and I die to 40 stacks

Monk where's detox

"I thought you wanted me to use it on myself?"

🫠

What is this life.

[raw pike]

[cinder storm]

[wary heath]

What have you guys spent Valor on

[dire matrix]

obvs not gonna spend till after vault

but 750 isnt too much

[tired pivot]

upgrading weapon

got double strike or w/e it is called

Strike Twice

[wanton shale]

i've seen 1 monk healer in like the last 2 weeks. Seems super unpopular atm, are they pretty bad right now?

[tender cove]

nothing, just saving it.

[tender cove]

spend an entire dungeon with a monk who just wouldn't put ring down to help with sang. Was going crazy.

[rancid iris]

damn 415 tier gloves or this 395 wispering incarnate iron trinket....

[nova fern]

How good is the tier set bonus? Is it worth taking a downgrade (392 -> 382) on gloves over an upgrade (372 -> 405) on shoulders?

[warm plinth]

For 2pc, probably. I personally wouldn't make that sacrifice for 4pc though

[slim dove]

catalyst in 2 weeks

go do raid first and then decide.

[mighty valley]

i took a 20 ilvl non-tier upgrade over a 10 ilvl tier upgrade today with catalyst on the horizon

(already have 2pc)

[warm plinth]

Blizzard is seriously trolling us rn

I saw jade temple nerfs and got so excited

And it's just being able to LoS the baby sha explosions 😂

[zealous grove]

just paid 175k for this

[pulsar sedge]

Good if you have the belt.

[cinder nova]

It's good regardless.

There's a million sources of fire damage available to us.

[reef sable]

Picked this up today from the vault. Currently hitting 30% haste with howling on. Debating on going with a T3 Wafting or T3 Frozen Devotion. Opinions?

[fading tide]

What are you guys spending your valor on? I’m afraid to spend it and waste it

[sand pebble]

whatever is bis stats and not tier slot

[sonic eagle]

which upgrade? prot main spec

[warm plinth]

Sim it, but probably the ring if you can craft the belt

[craggy pilot]

where is the best trash for % in COS? 🤔 if im at 2nd boss and missing %

is it easier to take Enforcers, or to go to the Harbor and take those 4 packs?

[warm plinth]

You should kill harbor imo. Very easy percent

[craggy pilot]

i usually skip it, but just had a few runs where we were VERY lucky with items, so we had missed like 15% before 2nd boss

so then i can just go through the gate to the harbor

for those packs

[warm plinth]

You can just not use the items too though :p

We skip items all the time if we're short on count

[sonic eagle]

sim for Damage?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

do you just take all these together?

[warm plinth]

We usually do everything but the two at the top

And then we do 2 at hte top with the contruct

[craggy pilot]

yea but i mean if items + harbor is better than enforcers 🤔

[warm plinth]

and worms

[craggy pilot]

but there is also stuff like Mistress + hound

and the patrol in front of boss

[warm plinth]

Well, time-wise probably, but you have more freedom in 2nd boss room if you do the harbor

you also have*

[craggy pilot]

i feel i have more freedom in 2nd boss room if i dont do the harbor 🤔

[zealous grove]

i got some fire dam

[warm plinth]

How's that

[craggy pilot]

since i can go back for harbor anyway

[warm plinth]

Why is backtracking better than just not having to pull stuff

[craggy pilot]

and sometimes the enforcer stuff can be very unlucky, so i get to 95% without pulling any extra

and then i would be like 110% if i had done the harbor

115% i mean

[sonic eagle]

i have deco flame and hoof and cna craft belt

do i get all those + this ring?

hmmm

[craggy pilot]

but idk only just did it 20 times on +11, didnt rly try any of this new item knowledge in my high keys

should i build my grp to cover all the effect sin COS?

or is that too much

[warm plinth]

I don't think it's worth changing comp for the items

[craggy pilot]

ye i guess im going mainly for the Poison 1st boss

then whatever for the rest

[warm plinth]

Yeah you really want that one

[craggy pilot]

and preferably a DH for amongus

[warm plinth]

But the rest are you either have them or you don't

Paladin can do that part too, and it's actually better than DH

Well, as long as the paladin played Legion

[craggy pilot]

only if they are prot right?

[warm plinth]

Nah they can just mog truthguard

[craggy pilot]

can you mog Truthguard as Ret?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

But they would have to equip a shield oc

ofc*

for the event

[craggy pilot]

oh you just swap weapon for amongus

[warm plinth]

yep

Theirs doesn't require all 5 clues though so you can do it a lot faster than DH can

[craggy pilot]

ah ye

and it just lights up?

[warm plinth]

Yeah it glows when they're near the mob, so they just have to use the clues you have so far to exclude the wrong ones in the pack

[craggy pilot]

my push grp is Prot warr, boomie and resto shaman though 🤔

[warm plinth]

Which is generally pretty eas

[craggy pilot]

so i guess we need either DH or Paladin

[warm plinth]

easy

Yeah I mean, you don't need anything but those make it more no-brain

[pastel isle]

I see a lot of Str/Haste, Haste/Vers, Crit/Haste combinations in Lariat. You shouldn't have Str/Haste, Haste/Vers x2?

[craggy pilot]

do you know how people have the Buff items be announced to chat?

my littlewigs only announces to myself

[warm plinth]

Uh, I don't. I assume it's probably a WeakAura

[craggy pilot]

you can do whatever, as long as no Mastery

[feral dune]

any advice on what to pick?

[unique shale]

get tier

[left cave]

need some advice...i have the chance to get 418 tier legs but i already have 389 tier and im not really raiding alot already killed normal of all bosses and i also have 398 shoulder to make 4p happen..should i take legs and wait to drop 4p or take shoulder to make 4p

im not in an active guild to raid consistently

[tender cove]

wow...

forgot to take screenshot but ruby 15 lol.... over 60 deaths and like 17 min over time xD

[left cave]

geez

[tender cove]

words cant describe how much i hate that dungeon

and the sick thing was, like, we struggled immensly on 2nd and last boss...but the actual kill? super ez but it took like every dps 4-5 deaths each

[sand pebble]

does shield block push dodge/parry off the hit table?

[left cave]

anyone know what i should do?

[unique shale]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-dies-from-cringe-meme-walter-white-walter-white-meme-walter-white-falling-gif-26074373

[tender cove]

pretty sure 4set will outweigh an increase on legs for the ilvl