protection

[median tulip]

You start to get diminishing returns past 30% IIRC

[craggy pilot]

21 dungeons with 1h on the loot table, yet no 1h yet 😦

and its even extra loot week

[deep isle]

Thanks

[gaunt oar]

its just a crutch for me not paying attention to smash mechanics? lol

[tropic magnet]

Gotcha. Guess the best answer is just sim it either way haha

[edgy grail]

My choice is between 421 (vers> haste) or 389 tier legs for 2pc

[brisk ferry]

any recommendations on what I can macro these to?

[crude parcel]

CTRL1-2

[brisk ferry]

booo

[crude parcel]

1

[craggy pilot]

i have trinkets on Shift+Q and Shift+E

[crude parcel]

2

[worldly kiln]

Current set: 402 Rumbling Earth /Decoration of flame, 402 rings, 398 cloak. Thinking the trink or the cloak are best? but trink is also great

[tame jasper]

as 421 is max I would take this

[edgy grail]

I think so yea, better long term but legs are better rn

[cinder storm]

Ilvl yeah

[edgy grail]

I have 372 legs snd 398 ring so big upgrade for both

[tame jasper]

its 3 weeks until catalyst and you can get 2set from LFR; normal, HC runs every week also

[prisma crane]

only other follow up, if other ppl in your guild need gloves too you can be a bit of a team player and just get gloves now so you can pass on them in raid

[vagrant lava]

so simming says for me to go get the unstable frostfire belt at at leeast ilvl 392 if i choose seal of diurna's chosen at ilvl 395. double the dps of 411 skoldiir helm

thoughts?

[edgy grail]

Yea true. This is what the sim says tho https://gyazo.com/086e0f563ead8a92a40e209269318c69

[vagrant lava]

vault for reference

[edgy grail]

Pretty big lol

actually thats fury LOL

[median tulip]

Remember the SIM is only showing you offensive value tho

[vagrant lava]

yeah im siming specifically for m+

raid = dont die its easier

[edgy grail]

right yea and the ring has 770 vers lol so pretty big

[radiant storm]

My choices... opting for the trinket but could use some advice

[placid oar]

Hi everyone, i don't raid and hence i was thinking if I should pick the 408 tier chest or the 421 (crit and versa) legs? Please for your sharing or opinion since i mainly pug keys only. Thank you

[nimble laurel]

should I go fury for vault to try to get the COS trinket?

[deep isle]

Great point. I'll check with my raid since idk what our rogue and monk has. I'm thinking I could also try my luck in lfr for gloves before picking. Thanks for the advice

[reef hornet]

Probably a pretty obvious question but would yall craft a big shield or MH given the option

[cinder storm]

Shield

[nimble laurel]

MH if current items are the same level

[prisma crane]

happy to help

[slim cosmos]

anyone have a decent m+ bis list they have been using other than wowhead as it doesnt include tier slots?

[cinder storm]

Do you have another tier already? If not go for legs

[hardy ridge]

how good is that ring w/ leech lads? should i just go for the 421 bracers instead

[zinc spruce]

so i wanna do the raid today on normal but i've never done it before, is there any weak aura that could assist me with that? im watching a video or 2 too to have an idea

[placid oar]

i only have the helm sir

[modern brook]

Dbm/big wigs should tell you your taunt swaps

[placid oar]

i was thinking if i should pick the legs and then convert it to tier when that system comes online

[modern brook]

That's like 90% of raid tanking

[cinder storm]

I'd sim but probably fire ring and craft belt

[old inlet]

In a predicament. I have Unstable waist so belt is null (I also have Seal of Diurna). So the 415 cape is nice, but is the upgradable tier better? Already have heroic tier pants

[sick sentinel]

about to find out

[wary heath]

There is a wa called Dragonflight raids, but it won't tell you how to manage the bosses generally. On normal you don't have a lot to deal with

[hardy ridge]

idk if simming is the play here

[sick sentinel]

best reward i get ilvl wise is 398

[toxic pewter]

basically had to take a 418 dragon games equipment... what you guys think of that trinket

sort of annoying to have to kick the balls lol

[cinder storm]

That trinket sucks

[wary heath]

Isn't enduring scale one of the worst in DF?

[toxic pewter]

yeah i wont lie i hate it lmao

[cinder storm]

I'd rank scale over dragon games imo

[sick sentinel]

shit vault for me kinda

[nimble laurel]

I was thinking about not going prot loot spec simply to avoid getting scale

[cinder storm]

Those balls usually spawn under adds or when you are backpedaling

[severe steeple]

dragon games is big burst

[proud glen]

Can i get some help i have another Tier Piece or i can take the 415 ring

[placid oar]

sry guys, but would a 421 non-tier armor actually be better than a 408 tier from the vault?

[night robin]

There is no reflect spreadsheet for this tier is there?

[placid oar]

it's in the pins sir

[cinder storm]

Pins

[toxic pewter]

i wont lie dragon games does do a good amount of damage

[sick sentinel]

herlmets my best upgrade out of all of this

[toxic pewter]

but i hate moving around as tank as it is lmao

gotta kick these damn balls

[night robin]

The one on #268491842637660160 not updated then

[young glen]

Raszageth HC - storm bolt a must have?

[high drum]

not at all

take fear and aoe interrupt instead

[wary heath]

Do the raid on normal and heroic before touching anything in vault

[proud glen]

Helm is a #92 and Ring is at 389

[cinder storm]

I would personally take tier just to have two piece, but having ilvl is likely better

[placid oar]

i see, thank you Mr Bubbles

[nimble laurel]

Depends on if it'd give you 4-piece now and your likelihood of getting other tier from raid.

[polar girder]

I’m ilvl 379 and I feel like I’m getting hit like a truck in +5s. Im keeping ignore pain and shield block up as much as humanly possible but man I feel like I blink and I’m at 30% hp.

[wanton shale]

do our bleeds all count as physical dmg that's increased by having monk in group?

[placid oar]

i dun raid sir, that time was just once in awhile where i help out to make numbers. Due to work i am just doing M+

[wanton shale]

+5s should barely tickle at 379 prot tbh @polar girder i'd double check ur IP and SB

[steady steppe]

there is no 415 ring there?

[polar girder]

Yeah I’m feelin hella squishy

[meager crescent]

Or just make sure you aren’t standing in things you shouldn’t be

[wanton shale]

especially if u mean today when fortify is gone, you should be able to cruise through +5s like it's nothing at that ilvl so something is off with ur rotation

[plain turtle]

our 4 pc is considered a lot better than fury, right?

so even if 4 pc isn't desired for fury if i'm tanking M+ it would be worthwhile?

[polar girder]

I know that a lot of other people aren’t helping me interrupt too. But yeah it’s rough. I wonder what I’m missing.

[ocean bloom]

would you guys think its worth losing 10ilvls for 4p?

[foggy mist]

hi guys. i'm normally a DPS, but i decided to keep my alt just for tanking this expac. i got https://www.wowhead.com/item=195505/caustic-coldsteel-slicer?bonus=1485:7980 as my tanking weapon. is it good enough or should i be looking for a vers/haste one?

[ocean bloom]

its fine

ilvl is all that really matters

[foggy mist]

should i enchant it or is this not a tanking weapon

[ocean bloom]

are you running keys high enough to get 390+ weapons?

[cinder storm]

You aren't probably using SB as much as you think, nor demo shout/SW

[wanton shale]

the secondary stats on ur 1h weapon alone aren't gonna make or break anything, you have a ton of other pieces to offset it

[foggy mist]

not yet.

[chrome falcon]

if you feel squishy below 15 you're playing very wrong

log a run and post it in here

[ocean bloom]

then yeah you can enchanct it just dont spend too much gold lol

[polar girder]

Ok.

[charred valve]

not a raider, ilvl upgrade. insta grab? thanks for the help in advance

[meager crescent]

@foggy mist slap a sophic writ on it and call it good

[polar girder]

Thank you. I’ll do one now.

[dark warren]

with a good 1hand/shield, better vault as fury or arms?

[foggy mist]

so if i get a haste weapon that's lower ilvl, should i be using that instead?

[ocean bloom]

i always take tier in vault if i dont have it tbh

[bold turret]

@charred valve yeah most likely

[foggy mist]

want to know how lower ilvl should i replace it with if i get one with good stats

[ocean bloom]

ilvl king

almost never

[stable valve]

Currently have 402 crit/haste helm and 402 verse/haste/leech shoulders

Do I take the 411 non upgradable tier shoulders or the 411 upgradable to 415 tier helm 🤔

[ocean bloom]

for tanks*

[granite plume]

ok friends...395 gloves to get 2 set OR 408 m+bis gloves?

[foggy mist]

thanks @ocean bloom

[ocean bloom]

you can run lfr for 3 chances at tier

[granite plume]

oooooh so I'm leaning to 408 upgradeable

[tender cove]

Was importing a WA and it said to fix sound settings and its not using sound effects and it made me wonder. What does everyone play with? off or on?

[cinder storm]

Personal preference

[cosmic lichen]

this is probably a no brainer. I currently have 2 piece, head and gloves. My vault is giving me 402 tier legs, currently have 395 legs (haste/mastery), I also got 402 shoulders in haste/vers, my current shoulders are bad stats and 382. Would you take the legs for three piece or the shoulders?

[wanton shale]

@tender cove depends how well you know the content. When I first started learning the dungeons I liked the audio queues for the master dungeon helper and thundering WA, but once you know the content well it's kind of annoying having sounds go off every 5 secs lol so i turned it off

[cinder storm]

Shoulders

[tender cove]

Dont think i've ever considered it off and just had it on by default for all these years. So really made me go hmm.

[chrome falcon]

4pc is purely defensive so

if you're not pushing hard

you c an just go ilvl

[tender cove]

Is it for everything? not only you spell effects like tc, roar etc?

[cosmic lichen]

Well, I'm a heroic raider, and run 11-12 keys right now

[cinder storm]

That dbm announcer that yells everything that's happening, annoying af

[wanton shale]

there's a huge comprehensive dungeon helper that does everything - says hide, dodge, beam, get off sanguine, etc, so it's literally talking to you constantly. It really helped at first though

[chrome falcon]

then nothing does any damage to you anyway and you can just go ilvl for damage

if youre hc raiding you'll get tier eventually anyway

[wanton shale]

once you know what to do having a voice talking to you all dungeon is too much for me though

[tender cove]

yeh, thats the weakaura i believe. I have that too, i really enjoy the sound queues, half the time i'm not even thinking, i just interupt or move on the queue.

It just becomes second nature, that I always wanna have i think

[wanton shale]

yea at first i was like man this is amazing, but then after a while i feel like i'm not really playing and just following the voice haha

[tender cove]

All the brainpower i can divert to playing, i'll happily take xD

I dont mind if it makes me worse or whatever haha

[cinder storm]

If it works for you then by all means use it

[wanton shale]

i will say i got so used to it once i turned it off i stopped doing some simple mechanics like almost forgot to hit the shield button on HoV and let team die to fire, cuz i'm used to pressing the extra action button when the voice says HIDE lol

so when nothing said HIDE I just stood there for couple secs then realized we're all burning lol

[tender cove]

I guess its a bit good with the bad but overall, i think its very convenient, just not having to have a constant focus on every little detail going on and just have that voice 😛

[upbeat pine]

What do u think about Unstable Frostfire Belt - is it worth to craft?

[cinder storm]

If you have the ring

[upbeat pine]

which ring?

[cinder storm]

Seal of filial duty, raid

[compact jackal]

wrong ring

[cinder storm]

Which is is then? Not on my pc

[compact jackal]

Diruna's Chosen

Filial is the shield one

[severe hatch]

Are sims for All-Totem accurate? Raidbots suggesting it's (at 408) a DPS downgrade from both my 411 Spiteful Storm and 408 Blazebinder's Hoof

[compact jackal]

it's trash lmao

[bold olive]

Just kind of a funny thing: decoration of flame ignores scaling. Almost 1-shots bosses in timewalking dungeons.

[cinder storm]

Also funny thing, SMB first boss adds give count, dunno if it's fixed

[upbeat tulip]

hey, anyone have advice on what to take from this selection? I already have 4pc, but chest tier is 395, don't have shoulder tier but i'm using a 402. rings are 398 crit haste and the cobalt assembly ring

[compact jackal]

if you can replace the gloves, shoulders tbh

or ring

either work

[plush tendon]

you can safley say sim yourself

[upbeat tulip]

ok

[plush tendon]

but, do note, that those shoulders can be crafted in 3 weeks

[upbeat tulip]

just wondering how good that ring is

[cinder storm]

389 or 398? I thought cobalt maxed at 389

[plush tendon]

and that ring is prob not BiS

[upbeat tulip]

i see

[plush tendon]

with AA ring and raid rings

[upbeat tulip]

raid rings are bis?

[plush tendon]

but its still good

[plush tendon]

with a frostfire belt yea

[upbeat tulip]

i have frostfire crafted alrdy

[plush tendon]

or a combination of the raid rings and the aa rings (do sim to double check though cause I level may play a role)

[proud glen]

Yea but i think i just take the Tier Peice

[upbeat tulip]

i guess short term it's go for shoulder, since i can replace chest with a 408 haste vers (from dathea)

and still keep my 4set

thats' what sims show anyway

ok thanks for the input 🙂 just wanted to bounce my thoughts off the collective wisdom here

[long stone]

EU Vault is 2morrow - Spec fury for chance of Brood-trinket?

[plush tendon]

If you dont need a shield, fury or arms

I do arms cause I got a 418 1h and a 2h would be cool

[long stone]

shield is 408 its ok - but i run norm and 5/8 heroic so sooner or later i get a descent shield 😄

[plush tendon]

youll probably do mythic soon

Mythic eggnog is easier then Brood or Raz heroic

[long stone]

so fury

[quaint folio]

This is my first vault item on my prot warrior. Do I loot in non protection spec like I would my guardian druid or do I just loot as prot?

[edgy grail]

Do yoy need tank trinkets or shield?

[cinder storm]

Normally you'd loot as prot until you max your shield and 1h, you can craft them too

[plush tendon]

hell, Mythic council is easier to

[edgy grail]

Tank trinkets is a trick question because the answer is no, you don’t lol

One you get shield it’s likely better to go fury if you want 1H

[bronze spindle]

Yo, do bleed damage decrease by block?
And same about magic dots with spell block talent

[edgy grail]

So yoy dont get omega shit tank trinkets

[quaint folio]

I guess I do need a shield. I guess I'll do prot until I get that, thanks!

[plush tendon]

Can always craft one to 418

[edgy grail]

Crafting shield is always a good choice

[plush tendon]

i picked up the mythic 415

[edgy grail]

I have 418 one and it’s a big boy

[wanton shale]

if you don't want a "tank" trinket and want a shield it's safer to just craft the shield and protect yourself against loot you don't want and loot spec Fury i think

[plush tendon]

^ I agree with that

[edgy grail]

Yep

Also can get a 2h for one of the off specs

[quaint folio]

oh that could work too. I don't really understand the crafting system tbh. I bought all the 3star quality material for work order, but from what I can tell a public work order would be a waste for that quality of material

[edgy grail]

So fun

Yes find a crafter

Spam trade chat

[tame blaze]

Are we assigning 4 piece an ilvl value? I have to chose between a 415 belt (replacing 385) or 411 tier gloves (replacing 402), which gives me 3/4.

[wanton shale]

there are tons of crafters looking for work, very easy to find a high one

[plush tendon]

no, 4 piece is kind of meh imo

[edgy grail]

Tier is def better than a belt tho

Belt is mehh

You can get another

[quaint folio]

Ok will look into personal work orders. Not sure what the difference is will look it up. thanks!

[edgy grail]

But it 3/4

[tame blaze]

Yeah my GM wants me to wait until after normal reclear, but the only ilvl upgrade from tier in there is the helm (3ilvl) so I don't even know if I'd take anything else

[edgy grail]

So hard choice I guess lol

Wants you to wait?

Lol

[cinder storm]

You can assign min rank when you do personal orders, and many crafters will do free recrafts

[edgy grail]

Def wait

Normally tanks pick tier so that you can trade off to other peeps but thats not an issue with masterloot I guess

[tame blaze]

Yeah we're funneling tier, I guess I would get prio if it was going to give me 4/4 but 4 piece didn't look that appealing tbh

Rather have a DPS get it

[plush tendon]

The warrior tier is poop; rather hand it off to the rogues, ww and dragons first

and we got 11 people on that tier token...

[golden tartan]

any idea on which bosses drop 1handers / shields?

world bosses

i got 356/372 atm

[plush tendon]

do a M0

[golden tartan]

done all

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt worry bout world boss loot

[golden tartan]

all my gear is 392-415

its just that i want to gear prot and im missing one hand/shield atm

probably gonna try killing those 4 azure rares

[cinder storm]

You can always craft those

[golden tartan]

i would if i had a titan matrix or a spark xD

[plush tendon]

got one of those titan matrix things

those dont cost spark

[tired pivot]

can I find my dr anywhere?

[bold turret]

Is punish non-negiable vs bloodborne in M+?

[cinder storm]

Yeah, call your health insurance

[tired pivot]

Lol

[golden tartan]

whats ur pull prep?

[tired pivot]

nice one

tho I meant damage reduction

[cinder storm]

Gottem

[toxic gyro]

You can farm shield and weapon from m+

[plush tendon]

bloodborne is a trap talent

[golden tartan]

shield block + shout(the defensive one)?

[plush tendon]

its not worth the two points

[golden tartan]

on pull

[plush tendon]

which can be spent better elsewhere

like, 2 points in Bloodborne or Tough as Nails+Punish

you go the later

[worn mulch]

I got a nice sword from vexamus in academy m0

[bronze spindle]

Lol bloodborne>punish+nails

[golden tartan]

ye no luck for me :/

i gave away/disenchanted everything else that i got

got 2 shields though 1 was with vers

[plush tendon]

ummm what?

[last nova]

anyone else run juggernaut and massacre as prot warrior?

[golden tartan]

ran a couple +

+3s , cuz i dont want to fuck up someones key

[bronze spindle]

Ummm

[golden tartan]

still learning to tank

[inland mesa]

is Strike Twice the best weapon, stats look the same, it's just free damage, right?

[plush tendon]

thats just wrong

[bronze spindle]

Then simc wrong

[golden tartan]

new zone coming up in season2/3

nice

[bronze spindle]

Also nails are so garbage sometimes mobs dont hit you

[cinder storm]

Right

[plush tendon]

you are literally gaslighting right now

[bronze spindle]

Do bleed damage decreased by block?

[cinder storm]

If you think Bloodborne is better run it

It's your talent tree, your choice

[inland mesa]

Is Strike twice ppm or impacted by windfury?

[bronze spindle]

And on 3rd jade boss do spell block talent decrease spell dot? Not impact damage of ability

[lime urchin]

I dont think you can block a dot?

[limber fable]

Is tier set big for us ?

[lime urchin]

as in, if the dot is already applied

[cinder storm]

I don't know, but it's 1% extra dmg overall, nothing to write home about, between two similar Ilvl weaps it's just slightly better

[inland mesa]

have a 421 in my cache over the 415 weapon I have

[cinder storm]

2p is good, 4p is ok

[inland mesa]

gotta sim, but taking the picture of vault to show off the 421 hunger to dps deleted my simc input

XD

[bronze spindle]

So its pointless to use spell block as huge defensive in 20+ tyranic jade?

[tired pivot]

2set is really good 4% less damage taken

[lime urchin]

no

its very good

[compact jackal]

Well

You can replace a 415 weapon

[cinder storm]

Ilvl most likely

[lime urchin]

especially on that pack before last boss

[compact jackal]

You can't replace a 421 tier helm

[lime urchin]

I just ment that I dont think you can block dots that are already on you

[bronze spindle]

Talking only about boss dot on jade phase

[maiden seal]

does the 2pc or 4pc set bonus impact how often we should be using revenge rather than ignore pain, or still just use revenge to dump rage when IP is already up

[limber fable]

Okay cool, hoping I have it in vault

[tired pivot]

you can still reduce damage taken with spell reflect

not sure what topic was tho

[cinder storm]

You should already be spamming revenge

[bronze spindle]

Man..

[tired pivot]

if it is magical

the 20% reduced damage taken on SR will apply

to my knowledge

[limber fable]

Spamming revenge while keeping ignore pain up though right ? I feel I'm spending a lot of time just spamming ignore pain to stay alive in 16s

[cinder storm]

You don't spam IP, you use it to not cap rage

[lime urchin]

that doesnt sound correct amigo

[limber fable]

Is it alright if IP drops off then ?

[cinder storm]

You can use it here and there to smooth some bleeds and mag damage but spamming up is a strong term

[limber fable]

Ah okay. I've been trying to keep it up 100% of the time

[lime urchin]

well, you may want to check how your shield block uptime is

you do that in logs

[limber fable]

Shield block im near 100% in the logs I checked

[lime urchin]

ah ok ok

[cinder storm]

Hits blocked?

[maiden seal]

my understanding is shield block 100% uptime, ignore pain if you're feeling the hurt, revenge if not

i've got a weakaura to track if i'm about to overcap ignore pain which helps me know when to use revenge even when i do need to keep IP up

[limber fable]

Okay, so ya I need way more revenge less ip. I think I have everything blocked but magic and maybe I'm standing in shit. Learning to tank during sanguine was brutal

[tired pivot]

you want to keep up IP for your healer's damage as well

[limber fable]

I might have that same Weakaura. I can tell how close to cappijg I am

[tired pivot]

if he doesn't have to cast heal on you, he can dps

[limber fable]

Maybe I just need to focus on not keeping IP capped then? I've tried to keep a full stack up. I'll start letting it slide way more

[cinder storm]

Only pack you should be mindful off are skeletons in smb and last pack temple, other than that, anything under 16 is ez

[lime urchin]

it really helps if you share your logs here, some smart people will take a look at it

very often there is stuff going on you have no clue about

[limber fable]

I'll start collecting them in keys

[compact jackal]

Imagine teeming on those two skeletons.

[limber fable]

I haven't turned on my logger since sanctum

[cinder storm]

It could be that instead of doing damage, you are trying to survive and packs are alive longer than usual

[cinder storm]

[bronze spindle]

I just pick spell block into sbg for those, you can 20 sec be afk in key 21 sheeesh

[limber fable]

Quite possibly. I boosted warrior last week. I'm panicking half the time

[cinder storm]

Teeming on void spawns

[compact jackal]

You don't have to imagine the pain since this does it for you.

[limber fable]

I was shitting myself during an 18 ruby

[gritty swallow]

we love seeing the 4pc tier that i know i wont get in raid and a 421 weapon to choose between

[lime urchin]

if the warrior is panicking your now, be happy you didnt play in RSI-CPM shadowlands

[cinder storm]

I wouldn't take spell block for two packs that you can easily kite

[limber fable]

Oof
I went mm/sv in shadow lands

[compact jackal]

As soon as I saw that legendary I decided to avoid the RSI it would cause 🙂

[bronze spindle]

You lose about 2-3% overal dps, but you fine coz you dps not kiting

[toxic pewter]

rlp is a spell block dungeon right

cant remember

[compact jackal]

it's THE spell block dungeon

[bronze spindle]

Yea

[toxic pewter]

ok right ty

[cinder storm]

What was the bad combo? Teeming / skittish or teeming / raging or teeming / explosives

I forgor 💀

[compact jackal]

Teeming/Anything tbfh

Teeming HoV 🤢

Most dungeons have a key killed by a boss. Teeming HoV has it killed by a trash pull lmao

[cinder storm]

Teeming but reduced hp would've worked, like an extra add in the pack share the original HP of the overall pack

[bronze spindle]

Teeming jade

[compact jackal]

Teeming with reduced HP and not affecting pull % tbh

[bronze spindle]

All prot warriors loves jade?

[kind rapids]

Is the already embellished shield good?

[compact jackal]

no

[cinder storm]

When you know what kills you there, it ain't that bad

[compact jackal]

healing absorb DoTs u

[bronze spindle]

You have 1 reflect bud..

[meager crescent]

Battering ram or champions bulwark?

[cinder storm]

I mean, spell reflect is a must there

[cinder storm]

Both if possible

[compact jackal]

is it really though?

[bronze spindle]

I mean teeming jade mobs

[toxic gyro]

You can stun skeleton casts

[compact jackal]

What is the most satisfying thing to SR in m+ anyways

My money is on Shadow Slash

Nothing like seeing the succubus drop by 20%

[cinder storm]

Conductive strike

[compact jackal]

That was my second one. Doesn't have the hp chunking level of satisfaction tho

[bronze spindle]

Nokhund bosses

[azure ivy]

If you have four piece are we ever taking barbaric training ? For any aoe situation be it raid or m+?

[toxic gyro]

If you’re using cds on nameplates you know exactly when they will cast and be ready to stun when you don’t have reflect

[compact jackal]

On a 17 this week I had my skeletons manage to sync up their void slash CD

I got hit by 3 in 0.00

[toxic gyro]

Imps in cos feel great to reflect

[cinder storm]

I want to say everyone should have nameplates, but I've seen people who don't even have the thundering WA on 16+

[toxic gyro]

Dark slash from mistress too

[compact jackal]

that's the one I said yeah

also why would you SR the imps?

[proud dock]

around how many sec til vanguard determination is about to fall off do you rebuff? assume worst case scenario

[compact jackal]

Imps are to laugh as your DPS fail to kill them and get one shot

[toxic gyro]

I had monk in 18 temple last week that used rop twice

[azure ivy]

Dathea has big SR damage

[toxic gyro]

And that’s after mobs bathed in sanguine, still timed but whatever

[bronze spindle]

You solo pull imps and reflect, they kill themselves

[cinder storm]

I'm always spamming revenge so I don't know

[proud dock]

yeah just wondering if it better to keep it up or if other stuff prios over it

[toxic gyro]

You can reflect all fireballs from first cast for like 30% of their hp?

[cinder storm]

Yeah

More, maybe 60% iirc, I remember it chunked their hp

[toxic gyro]

Just tell your dps to not engage until first fireballs being casted

[bronze spindle]

But you never solo pulls imps coz you have monk or dh rushing into them with beam or spin..

[toxic gyro]

I let dps die if they go in with me

[bronze spindle]

How

[toxic gyro]

Find it hella funny for some reason

If they go in with me and half of the cats is on them, they insta die

[bronze spindle]

They have mass stun..

[cinder storm]

At that point you shockwave

[toxic gyro]

Sad story when someone aoe stun my reflect

[cinder storm]

But I understand your point, my SR takes prio over their simple lives

[bronze spindle]

Only low dpsers pick shockwave in talents imo

[inland mesa]

is frozen devotion better than sophic?

[lusty narwhal]

Should we be opening our vault as anything but prot?

[cinder storm]

Weird take

[toxic gyro]

If you need shield and 1h hander open as prot. If not open as arms

[bronze spindle]

75k overal in aa kid

[cinder storm]

Everyone pumps in AA

[bronze spindle]

50k hov?

[lusty narwhal]

@toxic gyro well I have crafted 418 weapon but 398 raid shield, is getting a better shield better than like a whetstone or something?

[toxic gyro]

Are you doing mythic 1st boss?

[lusty narwhal]

Also do you have a chance of getting manic grief torch under the raid tab?

Not yet no

Soon tm.

[toxic gyro]

Shield is your biggest upgrade, so up to you

You can also wait with opening vault until you cleared raid

[cinder storm]

Shield over anything else

[lusty narwhal]

Is it possible to get manic grief torch in vault?

[toxic gyro]

Yes, from raid slots selection

[lusty narwhal]

Hmm

[cinder storm]

Can you at least craft your shield?

[lusty narwhal]

Not this week no

[fathom island]

does unstable frostfire belt proc the fire rings? or do i gotta use ruby life pools trinket

[toxic gyro]

What’s your prog in raid

[lusty narwhal]

I made weapon neck and belt with sparks

[toxic gyro]

I would clear raid first and then decide

You get spark next week

[lusty narwhal]

Yea true

Might open it as arms this week then craft shield next week

[flat sorrel]

Would you guys recommend Storm-eaters boon or rumbling ruby for a trinket?

[lusty narwhal]

Chance at 2 trinkets I need/want might be worth waiting a week

[toxic gyro]

If you don’t have plans for next spark, I would open vault as arms, and craft shield next week if you don’t get a shield from raid. Given you upgrade it to 418.

[grave blade]

hey all - has anyone run into issues with threat with Prot? specifcally, no matter who your co-tank is, you find that you have to sit on your hands to make sure you don't pull off them constantly? DH, DK, another prot warr... i'm having to micromanage my threat to make sure i don't go over 102%. anyone else running into that? they're equally geared within a couple ilvl

[lusty narwhal]

Yea I'll def be trying for at least mythic first boss this week pug or not

[bronze spindle]

I use ruby coz im pussy to use boon

[flat sorrel]

i mainly do mythics so its probably not good for that

[unique nova]

Any thoughts on running Bitter Immunity for certain m+ dungeons?

[cinder storm]

Only place you'll use it would be AA tree boss, and it's dependant on your teams comp

[compact jackal]

Tell them to stop grey parsing tbh

[late trellis]

if you have crafted weps would you open the vault as arms?

[compact jackal]

Unless you want Strike Twice I would. Not like there's any good trinkets that require prot spec

in fact, you can get bad trinkets if you don't lmao

[bronze spindle]

Is nok trink bad?

[near walrus]

what would be a good vanguard's determination uptime ?

[inland mesa]

Guides suggest Sophic, but sim is showing me 500 dps gain from frozen on patchwerk. I'm confused.

[cinder storm]

Over 80%

[cinder storm]

Trust the sims

[bronze spindle]

I use sophic for bit more survivability, but frozen gives bit more dps

[ionic gust]

frozen slaps

[inland mesa]

Yeah, may swap, there's a 90k mistake XD.

As I don't know if I need survivability atm

[loud yoke]

how do you guys sim crafted bracers, do sims consider bracers as full stacked with players?

[sick sentinel]

is the mortars of iron dock intended to be a 1 shot

[cinder storm]

Bruh

[sick sentinel]

maybe its rail yard

[late trellis]

Would you say ilvl > 4-piece bonus on tier set in M+ if its like 10+ ilvls?

Or has it felt significant in keys for anyone who's played with it?

[sick sentinel]

regardless point is, not enjoyable to be 1 shot repeatedly by mortars lol

i skipped wod, so i don't know really how all the mechanics fit together and if its over tuned or not or similiar

[woeful cypress]

Is whisp incarnate icon long term bis? Or just meh

[jagged pier]

Its pretty good u should use it if your healers and dps do tbh

Its a good gain overall

If its just you then meh

[inland mesa]

It being group instead of raid is crappy

[jagged pier]

It doesnt matter if its group or not just depends on the roles that have it im pretty certain

[inland mesa]

It's group from our testing, healer received no buffs until put into group

And putting healer in wf group is big sadge

[wanton shale]

@astral atlas I saw a WA for reflect and interrupts I think you authored - it's giving me an invalid code error when I import it. Do you have a revised version available?

[wise shale]

guys a question, i'm levelling a warrior tank now is 350, i did a +10 and i have really problem with aggro... some advice? with dh tank i never had problem with aggro

[solid holly]

Noob question: Does impending victory reset in dungeons when you dont get the last hit on a mob?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[wanton shale]

if ur tanking +10s at 350 ur doing pretty good lol

[solid holly]

thanks

[sharp bone]

its in pins

[wanton shale]

yea the one I got was from link in pins - the last revision is giving me invalid code error

[wise shale]

i do difficult with dh for defensive ahah, the problem is only the aggro, i lost aggro from mob

more*

[sharp bone]

strange, seems to be working fine for me

[jagged pier]

That will be a roationaly thing

U shouldnt have an issue with aggro tbh

[severe hatch]

Unless you're losing aggro from 350s I'd say the most likely issue is you're just undergeared

[polar girder]

You’re right I wasn’t IP/SB enough.

[severe steeple]

since he is 350 maybe he is playing with ppl that overgear him by a lot

[polar girder]

I made sure to do everything I could to keep up two stacks. Much better.

[wise shale]

yeah i play with dps 390 in party

[toxic gyro]

Warrior has good burst aoe, shouldnt struggle with aggro, also have aoe taunt.

[solid holly]

At how many targets should i start using outburst on TC instead of SS (not pad) for optimal damage?

[wanton shale]

i think you're just undergeared - most dps in +10s are 380+ and you're 350, if ur finishing them at 350 ur doing pretty damn good even if you lose aggro once in a while and let a dps die lol

[azure ivy]

Yo primal ritual shell for single target raid fights is actually underrated. That fire punch hits hard!

[sick sentinel]

this weeks quest to do time walking claims it drops a 38i9, but it gave me a 395 neck

[prisma dust]

it scales per the later bosses

[sick sentinel]

eye of vengeful hurricane 395

dathea neck normal

[rough basin]

Should i pick 2 set bonus or manic grieftorch from vault?

[wanton shale]

@astral atlas cool thx, i'll try again on another computer/wow install to make sure it's not something with my main PC after work.

the description on ur WA looks cool, combo of interrupt, targetting, and reflect helper

[woven trellis]

how good is the seal of filial duty for protwar

danmn its so hard to choose between low ilvl tier piece of high ilvl glove good stats

[blazing condor]

@jagged pier bi-hourly mining question what route you take usually

[rough wyvern]

What are people using to interrupt the second spark on Raszageth hc? According to subcreation, most people aren't taking any additional cc in talents, am I missing something??

[proud dock]

do u guys use mouseovers for taunt/kicks?

or too hit/miss

[blazing condor]

i dont personally

[grave blade]

i only mouseover to charge & intervene

[sharp bone]

i mouseover taunt but not kick

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/e90821c0828523c2b0c777cc76fb7b3b

[uncut basin]

is there a list of bis gear that we can get?

[rough wyvern]

oof

how is that even possible? xD

dont you run out of room?

[steady steppe]

just sim everything u get

[toxic gyro]

I mostly use focus kick, as I stun different targets frequently and don’t wanna miss my kick

I have set focus on convenient button and set my focus kick pull to pull in m+ pretty much

[chrome falcon]

it despawns

and i was solo for the last 4 mins

[cinder storm]

First rune clears by the time you get out of third

[brisk gust]

Which spell did we prio at last boss of nokhud with SR?

[cinder storm]

Conductive strike only

[meager crescent]

@rough wyvern I’m blood elf so I use arcane torrent

[slow harbor]

How hard are timewalking dungeons, relatively? Like an m0?

[void bramble]

Do i just take highest ilvl piece from vault?

418 shoulders ( not best secondary stats) 13 ilvl upgrade and 415 wrists (vers crit) 23 ilvl upgrade

just non tier so it sucks

[tired forge]

i mass pulled

there are some silly things that hit hard

[proud dock]

is there an addon that lets you easily set focus? like double left clicking on a name plate?

[plain saffron]

could any of you share a clean plater profile that I could use? mine's fucked beyond repair

[toxic pewter]

really hate that my vault basically made me pick this dodgeball trinket crap

so damn annoying to use

[somber shell]

I have this stupid thing ,it sucks. Even forcing myself to use on CD it only did 1.5% DPS on a recent COS +16.

I junked the puzzle box for the dodgeball thing, they both blow.

[toxic pewter]

yeah dude sometimes i cant even kick the balls.. does that happen to you?

[somber shell]

IDK why we can't just have a trinket that isn't obnoxious

[toxic pewter]

literally run over them a lot and nothing happens

i think it has to do with the range of the mob

[somber shell]

Yes it does. Sometimes they don't kick. I tried to find a pattern for when it does/doesnt work (like which order to kick in vs whihc order they appear) and couldnt find a simple answer. Also, who wants to be focusing on kicking trinket balls when under pressure?

it's fucking horrible

[hard badge]

Good afternoon everyone! Happy new year. I'm having trouble selecting something to pick in my vault as well. Any help would be appreciated!

I have 0 tier pieces but I feel like 389 pick is just a waste at this time. and I'm rocking [Battle Scarred Scale][Blazebinder's Hoof]

[toxic pewter]

yeah dude... sigh

[somber shell]

I'd love to see some recommendations on which trinkets I could rty to get. Right now I'm rocking that kickball trinket (ugh) and a 372 turtle shell thing that probably also sucks. I'm 394 overall and doing 15-16s last week.

[toxic pewter]

do you have any tier so far

[hard badge]

No but 389 1 piece doesn't do much, I mean I might get lucky this week in the raid, going to run heroic but man I'm just unsure atm

[toxic pewter]

honestly your vault isnt that great unfortunately

[crystal mauve]

Tier if you don’t have, trinket if you have nothing good then highest ilvl upgrade- keep in mind that in two weeks you can catalyst into tiers set so it can be worth to take a high ilvl piece and catalyst later

[toxic pewter]

like belt is high ilvl and all but its still a belt... I would probably just take the belt or the pants I guess

[hard badge]

exactly why I'm iffy on the tier piece

I should also say im wearing 395 pants

[crystal mauve]

You will have other pieces to catalyst first so you have plenty of time, don’t worry too much about it

[fading tide]

The blood elf racial arcane torrent has a lot of use in m+?

[toxic pewter]

do you recall the cooldown on the catalyst what it will be?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah its pretty useful

[crystal mauve]

I believe it will be once a week of something similar

[toxic pewter]

yah that sounds about right

[crystal mauve]

It’s pretty good yeah, my group is kinda bullying me into race change from Vulpera for it cause there is quite a few shields and other times it’s useful (small elementals and other flame dancers in ruby for example)

[ember prairie]

yall dont get it... female belf slutmog is the true reason to race change... who cares about torrent

[toxic pewter]

I am never switching off Vulpera... best tanking race imo

[lusty narwhal]

Why?

[toxic pewter]

40 yard instant pull/heal, nose for trouble, 1% fire resist, other racials are great too for QoL

[crystal mauve]

Nose for trouble is a lot of healing when you add up for the whole dungeon, especially in higher keys, you can soak up a lot of damage early in the pull when you don’t have ressources yet

[toxic pewter]

also I like their animations, and sounds like Link from Zelda when fighting

[sick sentinel]

i have to install my cpu cooler bat i don't wanna

annoying job takes too long

[ember prairie]

aint it like 4 screws and a dollop of thermal paste

[sick sentinel]

yeah, but it means taking it apart again

[ember prairie]

i bet you just don't want to close all your browser tabs lol

[noble sapphire]

good morning all, probably the 20th gear advice question of the day but I would appreciate some help picking something from my vault. Should I take a 7 ilvl downgrade and get tier gloves for 3pc or ~30 ilvl upgrade belt/helm?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah its kinda wild how so many people do not know about nose for trouble and how much it helps us as tanks

[cold dragon]

hey there. silly question. why do prot warriors go so deep into haste? i see ppl runnning 30+%. when you get 100% uptime of shield block even at 20-25%

[blazing condor]

you can always reclear for tier before you pick vault

[sick sentinel]

i don't know if the fans are the right direction on the cpu cooler

they are on the cooler

[blazing condor]

if you do normal/hc/lfr/whatever you can get 3p and then pick for 4th. 30ilvl up is pretty good tho

[ember prairie]

your cpu fan probably only goes on one way. Then so long as you have input and output fans it wont matter what else you do

[inland mesa]

418 helm turns into 418 tier in what 2 weeks as well

[sick sentinel]

blargg i'll be afk over hour if i do this lol

not really but 30 minutes for sure

[crystal mauve]

Consider you have catalyst coming in two weeks if you don’t mind waiting*

[sick sentinel]

same i don't mind waiting

[ember prairie]

do we have a good way to proc the raid rings?

i kinda grabbed one because all my other options sucked

but idk what to run to proc it lol

[inland mesa]

Belt

[ember prairie]

ohhhhh the crafted one?

[crystal mauve]

It reduces the CD of all of our abilities, increase attack speed for more SL reset and reduce GCD, basically it’s everything we want, especially when compared to other stats

[inland mesa]

Yes frostfire procs it

[ember prairie]

good thing i still have a catalyst

[cold dragon]

i see i see. thx

[slim dove]

45% haste with ITF feels so good

[noble sapphire]

ah good point, ty

[inland mesa]

People are taking itf now o.O

[noble sapphire]

guess my choice is made

[slim dove]

For raid yes.

When all totem haste procs I hit like 55% haste

[inland mesa]

Have builds changed from the guides, I've been lazy from the holidays

[sturdy sable]

You take it for more damage

So if you feel as tho you dont need the block uptime you take itf

[crystal mauve]

I don’t think so, most of the time I have the exact same setup from key to key and I don’t really feel like a specific talent would make or break a key. I would like to try a few different options at some point but it’s more trolling than anything lol

[lusty narwhal]

What is itf?

[toxic pewter]

I am personally a HR guy myself, I prefer it over ITF

HR + battering ram

[inland mesa]

Yeah just saw talks of ITF and didn't know if we were swapping

[toxic pewter]

Into the Fray

[slim dove]

Itf is for raid.

[inland mesa]

And my Sophic vs frozen devotion info was out of date too it seems

[covert saffron]

Ok so I am not having any luck trying for the mats on the Frostfire belt. Any suggestions on the best fire proc piece of gear as an alternative? Tyring to proc the fire ring from raid

[hardy hamlet]

The mats aren‘t rng

[sick sentinel]

is piercing shards spell blockable?

in AV

[covert saffron]

IK its the stupid engineering only ones that you need to try and get from the elementals. Trying for something simpler

[toxic pewter]

gotta get zapthrottle item

[hardy hamlet]

you can get the zapomatic or we

[toxic pewter]

then kill some elementals while using that item as they die

[wise oak]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193362/fiery-soul#comments

Takes 30 min to get the mats

Did it last night, only takes 30 waiting the 15 min for soul to become docile

[covert saffron]

a guildie was saying you need to channel so your dots have to kill it and they inturrpt your channel to boot. Was hoping for something that did not make me want to throw my mouse across the room LOL

[wise oak]

Spent more time finding BS to craft max rank

[hardy hamlet]

https://youtu.be/OTqTdJ17mrQ

[wise oak]

Just have someone kill it while you channel

[crystal mauve]

Get a friend to kill it while you channel and gg

It just HAS TO DIE when you channel but you don’t need to inflict the killing blow

[hardy hamlet]

Also it‘s really not that much of a hassle if your monitor is turned on

[covert saffron]

ok I will check it out I guess. Thanks. No other options then I assume? Does the Primal sheel or Whelp not proc as much as the belt?

[crystal mauve]

Whelp is absolute garbage

[hardy hamlet]

Belt is just the best option. Why waste a trinket slot?

[covert saffron]

because I already have both of those LOL.

no equipped but available in the bank anyways

[meager crescent]

I hate that stupid fucking whelp

[past flax]

is there a resrouce like the old tankguide which has been developed for dragonflight istance?

[mellow quartz]

charge as the opening on 2nd boss in NO is troll as hell

[autumn tulip]

Yo what are the affixes this week?

[mellow quartz]

he wind bursts immediately

counts combat starting at range I guess

tyr storming raging

well its troll when you dont realize it

[autumn tulip]

Ty

[tired pivot]

you should charge into everything

your death too

[mellow quartz]

not really as he melees first then wind bursts

despite you being in melee range

[tired pivot]

tanks don't care about NO boss abilities

I have been taking those to the dome left and right

[mellow quartz]

the 500k tank hit on the 3rd boss beg to differ 🙂

if he has stacks

[tired pivot]

shield wall goes brrrrrrrrr

you essentially just keep shield wall for that bad overlap

and laugh in his face

[mellow quartz]

doesn't mean things dont hurt

[tired pivot]

chunking 200k off my health bar, every 2 minutes, doesn't really hurt

[mellow quartz]

every 2min?

not sure you have done the fight

[tired pivot]

do you get that happen more than once?

you are tanking it wrong

[mellow quartz]

3 times and nothing wrong as I am in melee range with the jumping mob all the time

he just is slow to get there

and casts from range

multiple times

[wary heath]

thank you vault...

[tired pivot]

idk man, I never had trouble with it

[tired pivot]

my friend got a 421 tier piece with speed

[mellow quartz]

its just random how he spell queues most of the time for those overlaps

engi brezing your healer in the last phase on last boss is fun with all the ground effects and tornadies

[tired pivot]

yeah idk dude, it is not that dangerous as long as you are playing it right

there are dangerous bosses even if you play right

[mellow quartz]

nothing abt playing it right, you cant make the male dude run faster unless you are a monk

[tired pivot]

this one isn't really that

[quartz mist]

huge juicy pants

[sick sentinel]

is piercing shards spell blockable?

in AV

[quartz mist]

stun them

[sick sentinel]

ye ik just asking

[quartz mist]

no

check pins

list for every dungeon

[sick sentinel]

oh ok ty

[quartz mist]

ooop, blockable yes , reflectable no

[prisma crane]

just reflect it

[spring trail]

Shield of the Hearth vs Primal Molten Defender - which would be better option?

[quartz mist]

molten defender , dont bother with hearth

hearth just waste a embellish and garbage secondary stats

[spring trail]

awesome! ty!

[quartz mist]

you can put the alchemist pocket on it for free

requires no embellish

[sand kettle]

you gotta move earlier, if you are waiting for the girl where she jumps already the dude runs for 0.1s longer and usually makes it

[mellow quartz]

Yeah obviously just odd he goes melee and then wind burst when you are already in melee range 🙂

[sick sentinel]

wait so u can pop spell block and not take damage from the cast?

[mellow quartz]

It’s usually when he spell queues when the fear is cast. You moving early does nothing as the big guy has to finish his cast first and I am already in melee range with the girl before the guy moves.

[tired pivot]

no, you take reduced damage

it still hurts

[sand kettle]

moving early helps, trust me

[tired pivot]

this, I always move early

[sand kettle]

if you wait and then charge to the girl horse the dude is gonna be late after the fear

[tired pivot]

every bit of pre-positioning is key

[mellow quartz]

You don’t seem to read what I said. I always move early that was not the point. The mob doesn’t move when he casts fear lol

[modern brook]

I hate when I charge the girl horse late so the dudes fear makes him late

[tired pivot]

you are the first person who I have talked to, that thinks that the double boss in nokhud is dangerous

[vital oak]

Anyone know if Brutal Vitality works now?

[tired pivot]

for tanks

[mellow quartz]

What keys do you do?

[tired pivot]

19-20

pushed half of them to 20

[mellow quartz]

You done any this week on Tyr?

[tired pivot]

rest is 19 still sadly

[toxic pewter]

double boss just owned my group

in a 17

brutalize also hit me for 600k

gonna need to hold shield wall for that lmao

[prisma crane]

it's the shots from the chick that fuck up groups more than the dude

[white kayak]

Thoughts on my weekly vault...

BiS Trinket or big upgrade shoulders.

Currently sitting at 398.6 iLvl https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Majawar

[toxic pewter]

that trinket is very good they say

[tired pivot]

this, the dude is very managable, she can screw you up with bad positioning

I saw a dude straight up get oneshot due to stacks once

[wary heath]

Damn bro you killed only 2 bosses and they said here's a whispering incarnate my man

[prisma crane]

i just leap to where she lands when the fear is going out, they're never apart more than 2 sec

[tired pivot]

they can be, but that overlap is not common

[mellow quartz]

On this 20 Tyr he cast fear and then ran to me (I was in melee with the girl) stopped before he got to us and brutalized for abt 500k

[tired pivot]

I see it happen about once per fight

where I shield wall it

[azure ivy]

Right I killed Twelve and I got three cloaks

[toxic pewter]

yeah brutalize is insane on tyran

def need shield wall

[mellow quartz]

Just abt stacks

My point was just you can’t do anything abt it if you get bad spell queueing other than CD’s of course

[toxic jungle]

Is there a general sure for what a prot warrior's versatility should be at?

[tired pivot]

no

[mellow quartz]

Instead of these people being like ‘oh the boss does nothing to tanks’ 🙄

[tired pivot]

more vers means you get more dr

[toxic jungle]

is 11% vers low?

[sturdy sable]

No amount of any stat

[mellow quartz]

All stats are good stats

[toxic jungle]

mastery good too?

[sturdy sable]

Ilvl most important

[toxic jungle]

oh

[sturdy sable]

All stats contribute defensively

And most ppl are simming stats to be within %s of each other

[mellow quartz]

Sure, gives you crit block %, and attack power which does damage and increase IP

[tired pivot]

I mean, sure, my bad, it does do stuff to tanks, I just never had any trouble with that so I don't consider it dangerous

[sturdy sable]

Only compare stats on equal ilvl pieces of loot

[toxic jungle]

I have this ring in the m+ vault. Think it's worth off the ilvl? It has a fuck load of mastery

[tired pivot]

shield wall + an external are enough to handle that entire boss from tank side

[sturdy sable]

Jewelery is the exepction to the ilvl rule

[mellow quartz]

External in pugs is not something to rely on lol

[toxic jungle]

Sims show the boots being the highest for me

by far

[sand kettle]

just get in discord and say "dilate me"

[tired pivot]

I play with a premade healer

[viral moth]

do avatar/booming voice affect grief torch?

[tired pivot]

so I always get it

[mellow quartz]

5min boss fight with a dps dead half the time is fun fun

[toxic jungle]

Why is jewerly an exception?

[sturdy sable]

No main stat

[tired pivot]

we timed 20 vault this week with a dps dying at 45% on last boss

it fucking sucked

5 seconds on timer

[clever egret]

How good is rumbling ruby for us?

[tired pivot]

I had never previously played the boss so well

[clever egret]

Been having a hard time figuring out what trinkets are good for us

[toxic jungle]

Is a shields block value prio over other stats?

[tired pivot]

it is a good dps trinket

[sturdy sable]

Sim them

[mellow quartz]

Block value comes from ilvl

Ilvl is always prio

[lusty narwhal]

is the bourgening seed a good trinket?

[tired pivot]

it is

[toxic jungle]

So if I have 415 boots and 411 shield, choose the boots over the shield?

[tired pivot]

it is the heal on use one, right?

[tired pivot]

take what ever you think will take you longer to upgrade, or if you care about stats right now, take the one that gives more ilvl

[toxic jungle]

got it, sounds good

thanks!

[prisma crane]

BV for sure should, w/ avatar you can just check and see if the # on your tooltip goes up when you hit avatar

[viral moth]

Cool ty

[severe hatch]

Generally shield is a much more important slot for defensive value compared to boots

[lusty narwhal]

wtf do i even take here

[urban portal]

418 tier or cape

[lusty narwhal]

shoulders would give me 3 piece

[deft mortar]

go cape

tier will be urs jan 23 anyway

[lusty narwhal]

but its 418 mythic tier

cant i use valor on them?

[deft mortar]

is cape good stat?

no ur valor goes u pto 415

[lusty narwhal]

its haste vers cape

[deft mortar]

idk if thats bis stat

[sturdy sable]

You have tier shoulders?

[lusty narwhal]

my current cape is 402

no

my shoulders are 398

non tier

[sturdy sable]

Shoulders

Hands down

[deft mortar]

u can make that cape into tier on jan 23rd tho

think about it xd

[lusty narwhal]

no argumeents for trinkets?

[sturdy sable]

Capes contribute the absolute least to your player power

You can get that trinket in your own time and valour it

[deft mortar]

y

[lusty narwhal]

i can turn my 421 cape into tier when cata comes out?

[sturdy sable]

Yes and no

[deft mortar]

i think so

[sand kettle]

cape is not a tier slot

[sturdy sable]

Wont give you the set

[deft mortar]

oh

rip

i thought it was

[lusty narwhal]

so i should go shoulders then?

[plush tendon]

yea, that cape is just a stat stick

but a hard to replace stack stick

[sturdy sable]

But it will give you the appearance that finishes the set

[plush tendon]

so long term will take a while to replace

[deft mortar]

i mean u basically wont get a better cape but a better shoulder is unlikely too I guess

[plush tendon]

but those shoulders also juicy at 418

that aint bad

[lusty narwhal]

yea

thats what im sayin

[plush tendon]

you could flip a coin

or, wait for raid

[lusty narwhal]

LOL

[plush tendon]

see what drops there

[lusty narwhal]

I guess

I could wait for raid

[plush tendon]

maybe that shoulder finishes 4 piece

thatll be lit

[deft mortar]

do u plan on playing more now or after jan 23

is a thing to think about 2

[plush tendon]

even with the forge, you can get a 415 shoulder

not a 418

418 is middle Mythic I level (its very good)

[lusty narwhal]

@deft mortar good question, not sure

[plush tendon]

better then 4 of the bosses

[deft mortar]

tbf with set u can go into pvp and dominate

cuz not alot ppl have set in pvp

415 passes

[lusty narwhal]

im leaning more towards shoulders, but i also might wait for raid

[sand kettle]

how important do you guys feel 4set bonus is? seems like 5% leech but not all the time

[plush tendon]

wait for raid and see

[sand kettle]

also whats an average uptime for the 2set buff?

[plush tendon]

also, if you doing 20s now, youll vault will be full of them every week

[sturdy sable]

You clearing mythic?

[lusty narwhal]

if i get shoulders from raid should i get the lower ilvl for 4 piece?

or no

[cerulean musk]

Should you be saving your vault until end of the week? Or does it not matter when you open it?

[lusty narwhal]

@sturdy sable not yet no, maybe 1st boss this week?

[plush tendon]

like, this week no reason you cant get 3 421 choices

[sturdy sable]

Go shoulders

[plush tendon]

There other line of thought could be just go for the highest power gain now

to help you clear more content now

to lead to better gear

in which case, just sim

[lusty narwhal]

highest power gain now could be shoulders

if i get 4 piece from raid this week

[sturdy sable]

Trust me

Youll wear those shoulders for the rest of the tier

[tired pivot]

it is w/e when you open it. Only upside to opening now is that you get to equip it now

[plush tendon]

I dont like to tell anyone want to pick; but those are kind of my thought processes

[sturdy sable]

I just like

Dont feel good picking a cape

Out of vault

[plush tendon]

and there will be more

[sturdy sable]

Its literally the smallest amount of stats on any piece of gear you wear

[lusty narwhal]

@sturdy sable ii kind of agree

[plush tendon]

my man is a 20 gamer; more capes will drop

youll open a vault one week with 3 different cloaks

[lusty narwhal]

@plush tendon or ill have one drop in a m+

[plush tendon]

also, IDK if the forge will be like S3 where there were preset stat ones you can transform

[sturdy sable]

And if your lucky this'll only happen a few times lmao

[lusty narwhal]

so we thinking shoulders? even over trinkets?

[plush tendon]

horn is meh

[tired pivot]

those trinkets are mid

[plush tendon]

and incarnate is good... but like, really?

[sturdy sable]

If it was a heroic grief torch

[lusty narwhal]

or whetstone?

[sturdy sable]

Wed be having a different conversation

[plush tendon]

if it were a mythic incarnate id say take that

[sturdy sable]

Exactly

[tired pivot]

my man, I took a 408 tier set over 421 chest piece this week

[sturdy sable]

Thats not the play

[plush tendon]

[lusty narwhal]

@sturdy sable would you recommend waiting to see if i get heroic shoulders? and if i do go cape?

[tired pivot]

it is the play indeed

[plush tendon]

421 chest is big

idk if thats right

[tired pivot]

not as big as tier set

[plush tendon]

2 or 4 set?

[tired pivot]

2

[plush tendon]

and that 421 can be turned into a 421 tier in 3 weeks

[tired pivot]

yeah

3 weeks 😴

[edgy grail]

Yea 2 set it good

[plush tendon]

but its your vault man

[sturdy sable]

Ehh personally id take the shoulders and just take the L on the cape since keeping vault loot for after raid is kinda of a dick move to your raid

[plush tendon]

at the end of the day, your choice; and anything you choose will be a upgrade

the only question is, whats the biggest

which can be a bit subjective

[tired pivot]

the only question you should ask yourself is

do you want power now

[edgy grail]

Very subjective

[tired pivot]

or later

[lusty narwhal]

@sturdy sable i guess silver lining is i could roll on shoulders and give them to my ww monk partner

[plush tendon]

or TMOG

[edgy grail]

Exactly

[plush tendon]

TMOG most important

stats are temporary

TMOG is forever

[tired pivot]

you can take something that will be BiS in 3-4 weeks

[cerulean musk]

Thanks, so saving it until you have done the raids for the week is better unless you need the gear for said raid

[plush tendon]

that was my play in S3 on my dk

[tired pivot]

or you can take something that will let you be stronger until then

[plush tendon]

sucked for 8 weeks

week 8 came, and i got a huge power spike

but I was super unlucky on tier drops that season

[sturdy sable]

Yeah i guess it depends on how many ppl you share your token with

[sharp bone]

its like the get a marshmellow now or wait a few hours to get 2 marshmellows kinda thing

[plush tendon]

but theres a second part to it; taking a marshmellow now can potentially lead to more marshmellows

[tired pivot]

I would absolutely not open my vault for raid day in a mid tier guild

[plush tendon]

its why people take cash now and pay interest on it

cause it helps them get more

[tired pivot]

that is why I took tier set

I got to push more

in m+

getting to have better groups is more relevant than stats

but if you are not pushing raid bosses, m+, pvp(?)

you just go long

[cinder storm]

Same reason why you take a lump sum if you win the powerball

[fading tide]

Cool upgraded my shield to 405 and now I’ve a 415 one in vault

[hollow token]

i thought the catalyst came out on the 17th?

[tired pivot]

24th

[hollow token]

then Wowhead is wrong?

[shadow tiger]

Do we loot as Fury from the box or prot?

[sullen patio]

Farmed over 30 cos keys for the trinket / ring in fury lootspec. Didnt get anything, first key i switched to arms lootspec i get the trinket. What 1 item less in the pool does to a mf...

[tired pivot]

I could be wrong, I am only parroting people with cool colored names from here

[hollow token]

17th for NA...

[plush tendon]

wait its the 17th?

[hollow token]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/inspiration-catalyst-dragonflight

[bold viper]

frostfire belt + seal of filial duty, has anyone made use of this combo? i know the frostfire belt + seal of diurna combo is a bit underwhelming. either i take filial duty at 418 or tier legs at 415, replacing my 402 tier legs

[mighty valley]

wowhead and icyveins say different things. the only solution is to run in a circle screaming

[tired pivot]

2. When Will the Inspiration Catalyst Be Available in Dragonflight?
   The Inspiration Catalyst will be available six weeks after Mythic Vault of the Incarnates opens, on January 23, 2023

from icyveins

who knows who is right

[hollow token]

dunno

maybe both

[tired pivot]

for what it is worth, icy veins usually has more accurate stuff

[hollow token]

depending on what version of reality we're in

[viral field]

The 23rd is a Monday though

[tired pivot]

it got to the point where I don't use the wowhead guides at all, only use them for nerfs/buffs posts

[minor helm]

Week of

[full violet]

Btw, what is everyone crafting with next Spark? Since we prolly all have 2 embellished slots by now, just go for lowest non-set piece and craft?

[tired pivot]

yup

well

[minor helm]

Slightly shorter way of saying 24th and 25th since it’ll be split days

[tired pivot]

go for something you will take longest to upgrade

I did a shield for my non-embellish

only way to upgrade that is high mythic boss or 20 vault

[polar raptor]

I think it just depends on if you need a shield upgrade or not iirc

[full violet]

Already have that

[viral field]

It says on the 23rd on icy veins not the week of

[toxic pewter]

ya basically fury then I guess unless u want defensive trinkets

[tired pivot]

then get what ever you need most for ilvl

weapon is decent too for the expensive enchant

[full violet]

Currently sitting at lariat, wrists and shield 418, so i figured lowest ilvl and craft

[versed matrix]

Any advice lads? I've already got a Jeweled Signet at 398 so that's a bit less tempting because valor. All-Totem look good because I've currently got a 395 ruby shell and a 385 blazebinder and I remember seeing people here say that it's a good dmg trinket. However, Cloak sims as the highest upgrade by a decent margin so I'm not sure if it's worth going for trinket or biggest sim upgrade.

[tired pivot]

basically, only reason to not do that, is if you don't have a good weapon

since as I said, you can put the big enchant and sit on it for a fairly good time

it is not too easy to upgrade the weapon either

[hollow token]

did anyone answer this? do we really open box as furry, er fury?

[fallen pulsar]

timewalking ring has strength 🤔

[tired pivot]

Fury can get 2 hander sword and dps trinkets

do you have sword and trinkets you want?

also shield

if not, go prot

if you do, you can do fury

[full violet]

Got a 402 with devotion on it, guess i gonna Upgrade it or wait for Vault. Idk

[weary vault]

Any other stud muffins tanking 20 keys rn? Need to bounce some ideas of someone for 21 AA

[tired pivot]

my highest AA was 20 this week

but I do think I can contribute

[weary vault]

Lashers on tree

Spell block?

Or is that a bleed

[full violet]

Detox and stuns

[warm plinth]

Spell Block doesn't work on Lashers; it's a DoT

[tired pivot]

that is a poison

physical poison iirc

[warm plinth]

You can't block DoTs

[tired pivot]

you can, just not physical ones

[hollow token]

i think someone in here made a sweet WA for spell blockable... spells

[weary vault]

^

Yeah I have the WA pack already.

Just pre-planning for the 21 I'm gonna do in a bit

[tired pivot]

poison dispell/dwarf racial are your 2 tools with dealing with that boss

if you are particularly untrusty towards your dispeller

[weary vault]

Good thing I'm a zandalari troll

[tired pivot]

there is a talent you can take with dwarf racial

to kinda take it on yourself

[weary vault]

I might take menace