protection

[feral wing]

How do you guys deal with the Crystal Fury's Piercing Shards in Azure Vault? The little rock dudes with their absurd frontal. I try to stun all of them, but holy moly when that shit goes off

[blazing condor]

shouldnt be that big of an issue

they hurt a bit tho for sure

[feral wing]

I get chunked for 65%+

[blazing condor]

they can enrage and people in your group can soothe them

[feral wing]

The enrage is a good call, gotta check if soothe happens

[marble cipher]

storm bolt, shockwave, shield charge, intimidating shout, soothes, defensive stuff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

i mean u can stop alot of them yourself

with fear shockwave and storm bolt

[feral wing]

I do, I was just wondering if there's anything that I'm missing

Like sidestepping or w/e

[marble cipher]

they follow

maybe you can outrange, don't know, but a very bad area to try and outrange, you'll buttpull next packs for sure

[feral wing]

The range is huge

[sick sentinel]

i dunno for sure but i think isaw we are on raging and tornadoes today

[jagged pier]

u can also just skip

[marble cipher]

or that

[jagged pier]

u can actually jump down to the boss room

[marble cipher]

though, if you skip those in the ring, you'll have to take "alarmed" stone boys earlier right?

(haven't looked at routing that much this season though)

[feral wing]

Sounds like a bad tradeoff tbh

[blazing condor]

the piercing shards shoot out for 100 yards

so probably can't out range

[proven patio]

When does oce have their reset?

[blazing condor]

the enrage is also magical so meaning you gotta dispel it

[feral wing]

Thats good to know, ty

[cerulean spear]

hey guys any1 has a weak aura for battle-scarred veteran CD not the active part of it

i cant fiind one that tracks the Internal cooldown of BSV

[feral wing]

I use this https://wago.io/wEW4TdA6u

[marble cipher]

I mean, does anyone actually run that talent? Last I heard is that it procs off the wrong hp value, and you might have it proc when you're still 60% or higher

[craggy pilot]

Minion of Doubt x3 in the last pack Temple, we can Freeze Trap 1, and then Shockwave the 2 other to make them line up their cast? 🤔

or shockwave all 3 and line them all up?

[limpid anchor]

If you don’t cc they shouldn’t be lined up I think

[craggy pilot]

i would usually try to reflect first cast

but i saw it wasnt lined

so i guess i have to Shockwave -> Reflect

rather than Reflect - Shockwave - Reflect

if i just look at the cast CD, i can literally Shockwave right as they cast the 2nd set of Dark Claw

[exotic rapids]

Can someone tell me, what the exact conditions for activating Dance of Death are and what the condotions for keeping it up are?
I am confused

[cerulean spear]

@marble cipher it does. and i use to not run it but honestly i cant count how many it has saved me from dying

when IP falls on a big pull

[craggy pilot]

what dungeon we talking?

[cerulean spear]

or when i forget to spell reflect something

nd i get shonked

[exotic rapids]

The Talent in general

[craggy pilot]

huh? not sure if thats a warrior talent bro 🤔

[warm plinth]

What do you mean? If you kill something with Ravager, you get the buff. It affects the next Ravager that you cast within the 2 minute period

[limpid anchor]

Isn’t that flame dance from ruby?

[craggy pilot]

oh that one 🤣

[limpid anchor]

Ah ravager

[craggy pilot]

the talent that no one takes

[warm plinth]

No, he's talking about the capstone below ravager on the left

[craggy pilot]

i believe as long as the Ravager did damage to the mob that dies

it gives you buff

[warm plinth]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

so if you pop Ravager at 100% hp, and it falls off at 80% hp, you still get it

[exotic rapids]

I tought so, but it seems not to be the case

[warm plinth]

Well if it requires the killing blow, that would explain why it's not even considered.

Because that's virtually impossible

[exotic rapids]

i was really paying attention and sometimes i get the buff an sometimes i do not

[trim hill]

Idk in what situation you’d take the talent even if it didn’t require the KB

[exotic rapids]

and what further confuses me, killing an mob with the buff up without ravager seems to sometimes extend it

[warm plinth]

You're not gonna hold ravager until the end of a pull just to get a 20% buff on it

[exotic rapids]

but not always

[warm plinth]

especially if it isn't even guaranteed you get the buff

[exotic rapids]

if it did not require the KB you would get nearly 100% uptime

[wintry nymph]

i was tanking normal dathea earlier and my co tank died with no res available and noticed that you can get away with getting quite a few stacks of the knockback

[exotic rapids]

that seems to be op

[wintry nymph]

Whats the limit on that 😂

[warm plinth]

It's not OP

[wintry nymph]

i had like 4/5 ish

[warm plinth]

It's just 20% damage and a 2 sec longer ravager

[wintry nymph]

and could stil cancel with heroic leap easily

[craggy pilot]

extending it doesnt rly seem like any use anyway, since its a 2min duration buff 😄

[jagged pier]

the limited is until the damage kills u not the knockback

[wintry nymph]

nice

so on normal it would be quite high hah

[limpid anchor]

Or when your connection starts to fail

[wintry nymph]

haven't tanked it on hc, but i assume you die a fair bit sooner than normal

quite a fun way to dodge the mechanic

[craggy pilot]

hmm, looks like Dance of Death is proccing normally for me

[exotic rapids]

I tested it outside,too but in dungeons it seems to behave strange

[craggy pilot]

wait in the start of a dung, can we kill 1 mob with Ravager, get the buff, swap talent, put in key

and then have 20% bonus ravager for the start of a dung 😄

[exotic rapids]

but ok my fault than

[limpid anchor]

Nah doesn’t do dmg in hc

[warm plinth]

The buff only lasts 2 mins. I'm not sure what extension he's talking about but there's no indication that that's a thing.

[craggy pilot]

ye i know its only 2min, but we can have 1 cast of it if the thing i said will work

im guessing it consumes the buff when you use Ravager anyway

was just to cheese it a little bit lol

[warm plinth]

Idk you should test it lol

I'd be really surprised if the buff stayed after the key starts anyway though

[craggy pilot]

ill try lol

but 20% on 1 Ravager seems giga small 😄

[sick sentinel]

i used that for the first 2 weeks

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[craggy pilot]

would be fun to have some better Ravager talents for M+

[blazing condor]

try it

i played around with shockwave capstones and it felt good but obviously did worse damage

still kinda fun

[noble lynx]

Iiirc it kinda just works as a 20% dmg increase on ravager if you use it on cd, i had it up all the time while running it in m0s

[wintry nymph]

Ah sick

[mystic radish]

heya, after some testing I am more confortable with HR instead of´into the fray. In Sims Into the Fray is about 2k more dps x: what do you think about it>?

[ionic fern]

Play what ever.

Both work.

I default to ITF in raids and HR in m+.

[mystic radish]

Okay 🙂 tyvm

[jagged pier]

im a big advocate for hr in m+ and ITF in raids but play what u like

[sick sentinel]

i play ITF + spell block in the keys that im doing

[feral wing]

Same

[jagged pier]

well your loosing out on somthing then because if u take ITF in keys u have to take bolster

which means also taking spell block your dropping somthing

[sick sentinel]

spell block is just way too good at handling magic dmg

[ionic fern]

Don't forget..he's doing +2's or something.

[jagged pier]

well true

but wrong habits cause problems later down the line

[feral wing]

I dont take bolster

[sick sentinel]

nahhhhh

im not big dicking it, yet

[feral wing]

ITF/Spellblock, no bolster, why would I need it

[craggy pilot]

how do you guys handle the Branch in Academy tree boss?

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/7433183-10-halls-of-valor

i ran this last night

[blazing condor]

kill it so you can clear your stacks when youre not germinating

[mystic radish]

I have never tried Spell Block. You say its pretty good?

[craggy pilot]

before or after the germinate?

feel like neither is rly possible

[ionic fern]

Once you get into any adequate key level you would take an additional block talent to avoid taking unnecessary damage. 🙂

[blazing condor]

harder to push it before

you need good dps for that

[craggy pilot]

if you do after, it full heals the adds though

[ionic fern]

Damn man, calm down.

[sick sentinel]

invited a 359 evoker dps and we still 2 chested it

[craggy pilot]

or do you kill it after all the adds are dead?

[feral wing]

I'm in the 17 range rn, so I guess we talking 20+

[jagged pier]

very good when its needed

[ionic fern]

17 is a breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

[blazing condor]

idk whats best tbh we just kinda wing it

look up how they do it on high keys

on youtube or smth

[ionic fern]

If we have the DPS to kill it before adds, we do. If not, we keep it alive until adds spawn and kill it then.

[jagged pier]

i mean ppl are playing very wack talents at the top

some guy is running bloodborune

👀

2 points in it

[sick sentinel]

the reason im not doing 17s and 18s and 20's is cuz i gota big old case of the I don't give a fucks

if i wanted to do it, it'd already be done

[blazing condor]

much better to get it to proc during ads and risk healing them than trying to clear during germinate

[craggy pilot]

ye the german guy right?

[jagged pier]

i dunno who he is

[ionic fern]

Well, we all know that's a lie.

[jagged pier]

but other are running the shockwave build

also wack

[noble lynx]

Which one is bloodbourne

[blazing condor]

i did a 19 tjs with shockwave build (cus i forgot to change) and the shockwave was nice on lower cd

[sick sentinel]

You're welcome to your own opnions, sure.

[blazing condor]

but we didnt have great cc

[ionic fern]

It's not my opinion. It's your historical record of doing keys.

[sick sentinel]

i only missed out on s1/2 KSM SL

got bfa ksm and s3/4 probably going for this one

do you wanna know why i don't do 20's

[edgy grail]

No

[sick sentinel]

you know doom right, 1993 or whatever fun game pretty easy

[limpid anchor]

Someone’s drunk again

[sick sentinel]

even not so hard on Ultra Violence (the gentleman's difficulty for that era)

and then,

you got fuckin, nightmare

not only do the monsters run around double the speed, but they respawn in about a minute or less

[ionic fern]

Oh no

Horrible.

[sick sentinel]

thats what going from a 15 to a 20 is like for me

its like a joke mode for sadists

[ionic fern]

I thought you just said it's easy.

[limpid anchor]

So you are just saying that you can’t do higher keys

Because you are too slow?

[sick sentinel]

doom is easy up to ultra violence yes

[limpid anchor]

And not because you don’t care?

[sick sentinel]

on nightmare, doom is a nightmare

you can't cheat and the monsters resawn, all the health and ammon that doesn't respawn

[ionic fern]

Good thing we're playing WoW then.

[sick sentinel]

that is what playing a 20 is like to me

directly comparbile in my eyes

[blazing condor]

just iddqd and git gud

[sick sentinel]

i just got done saying you literal can't cheat in NM

[limpid anchor]

You know that drunk uncle that only shows up to family events to tell some stories and eat all the food?

[edgy grail]

Why did it take you so many words to say “it’s too hard for me”

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[ionic fern]

No,no, it's easy for him..

[sick sentinel]

bro, nighmare doom is too hard for ANYBODY

the developers put it in as a sick joke mode

[limpid anchor]

Like 20s

Too hard for anyone

[sick sentinel]

a cruel joke to play on your friends

[edgy grail]

20s are not too hard for anybody tho

[limpid anchor]

Daniel has no clue

[edgy grail]

Everybody*

[sick sentinel]

i never say its easy in that thing, i just dont give a fuck enough to do it

[ionic fern]

👍

[sick sentinel]

i could become an astronaut or scientists and cure cancer

[edgy grail]

[cursive temple]

[sick sentinel]

doesn't make it easy

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980120689828847626.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[edgy grail]

You could cure cancer but don’t give a fuck

Got it

[blazing condor]

sorry dad, yogi doesn't care enough

[limpid anchor]

Dad gotta die on Christmas

Just bcs yogi didn’t care

Nice present

[cursive temple]

My warrior bretherens. What are your thoughts on prot pala or BDK as an alt? 🤔 Can't decide between those two :sad:

[ionic fern]

🤷

[blazing condor]

both are good

from what ive seen

[sick sentinel]

we all gotta die some day

[limpid anchor]

No

[sick sentinel]

death be comin for ya, and it ain't never lost a battle

[cursive temple]

You could care more and create immortality

[limpid anchor]

I never understood the „ain’t never“ and shit like that

Isn’t that just wrong

Same with ain’t got no time

My English is too bad :(

[lime urchin]

not as bad as those american sentences

[blazing condor]

it is wrong tbh

but its just agreed upon that it works

[cursive temple]

As a major part of English Hmmge

[sick sentinel]

how do you do the high shield slam dmg? like the 200k thing? i havent found the consistent way to always get that high dmg result

[blazing condor]

all the right talents + using an outburst proc on it

[sick sentinel]

ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jXEuIHY9ic yogi (skinner) talking to pwar about keys when they are doing and asking advice for 15+'s and best yogi has done is a +10 so far

[cursive temple]

it's just violent outburst talent, stacks from brace for impact and etc. You might want to track violent outburst proc to spend it to TC or SS depending on situation (amount of targets)

[sick sentinel]

im already doing that, however i asked because it sometimes isnt the highest it can be

sometimes it slacks below 70k

[cursive temple]

not enough stacks from BFI, I guess

[sick sentinel]

ive always had the speculation on bfi playing the role of a border convergence which builds stacks of either damage accumulation, or stacks of itself, beyond said border

damage accumulation of rage spent beyond the violent outburst border

im pretty sure its a bug and its not intended to be able to do 200k dmg

yeah, i can't clear a mythic raid boss or a +20 probably, but i can kill the icon of sin from doom, the longer he stays on earth the more powerful he becomes afterall

[merry umbra]

Are Subjugated Soul adds in shadowmoon bugged or smth? I charge in and burst 200k and my healer dies from meele 10 secs into the pull

[median tulip]

Mythic Eranog is not that hard, really

[jagged pier]

first 3 are easier than raz hc

[toxic gyro]

Mythic eranog is a joke, I made a pug group with couple friends and we killed it in 5 pulls.

[jagged pier]

tbh

spider isnt that hard ither

from the few pulls we had on it last night

[limpid anchor]

What’s the second, council?

[jagged pier]

ye

[meager crescent]

Do prot warriors have decent single target or is it pretty bad?

[dark warren]

i believe is prob got answered already, but is the 4 pc lfr/norm worth the ilvl downgrade?

[jagged pier]

good ST

[limpid anchor]

Good

[jagged pier]

ye

[dark warren]

nice, only reason to endure lfr pain

[jagged pier]

just dont

🤷

the tier set wont make or break anything

[blazing condor]

mined for 1 and a half hours and made 12k

good gold/h

[jagged pier]

u need to lvl up that mining

[feral wing]

It reads really boring tbh

[blazing condor]

got 87 mining atm

but no knowledge

[jagged pier]

or get a better route

[warm plinth]

you already buy the one from the consortium quartermaster? And get the shit from the mining master?

[cinder storm]

WM on helps

[warm plinth]

Also do you have tool and equipment?

[blazing condor]

no, yes, yes, yes

idk if there's any specific stat you wanna min/max tho

[warm plinth]

Perception is a good thing to go for

Gives more rare shit, including knowledge items

[jagged pier]

finnesse as well

[warm plinth]

yep

[jagged pier]

for raw mats

[cinder storm]

My mining is at 100, I made 20k after 2 days

[warm plinth]

There's also a thing you can use once a week that you can get made by inscription (look up treatise in crafting orders)

[pine phoenix]

Just got my hands on the manic grieftorch, is it beter for m+ than blazebinders hoof?

[warm plinth]

Fairly cheap to make and easy knowledge once a week

[jagged pier]

its bis

[blazing condor]

thank for quartermaster tip

[cinder storm]

No but really, what are you guys selling? I didn't go master of the elements route and the only thing that makes bank are rousing orders

[blazing condor]

yall go sorting or surverying first

[jagged pier]

monka

[warm plinth]

I made 2/3 of that just in order 😂

[jagged pier]

overload is where its at

[mortal brook]

Nice, my perception procced some lava beetles again!

[warm plinth]

yeah, ty for correcting me on that. big order for sure

[warm plinth]

we love lava beetles

[jagged pier]

np

[warm plinth]

17g 60s for 16 lava beetles

[cinder storm]

I'm maxing mining so I don't need to dismount, going to get that overload after then

[jagged pier]

its worth the 1 point

[warm plinth]

Well remember, you don't have to put points in it

[jagged pier]

tbh

just to get overload

[warm plinth]

Just opening the specialty lets you overload

[jagged pier]

yer that

[cinder storm]

Oh? That's good to now

[blazing condor]

gotta have 100 knowledge first tho

[cinder storm]

Ty ty

[blazing condor]

spent

[warm plinth]

Yeah opening specs/subspecs don't actually cost points. Just skill

[urban bane]

Do spell deflects show up in logs as "Reflect" or does it use the word Deflect.

[warm plinth]

(or x points in the specialty)

It uses the word deflect, usually. There are weird mechanics that will say reflect when they're actually a deflect though

[urban bane]

Cheers

[icy pollen]

why is the faq still showing legos and covenants?

[urban bane]

Trying to find best ways to review and see what deflected vs reflected and, where appropriate, how much damage it dealt. It is a pita.

[jagged pier]

cause we lazy

[warm plinth]

changing bot embed is for squares

[jagged pier]

pretty sure u cant see them in logs

or maybe u can

[warm plinth]

You would have to look at damage taken by enemy by enemy I think?

To see if it did damage

[jagged pier]

not somthing i bother looking at tbh

[warm plinth]

Details will show spell reflection on your damage

[tacit gorge]

u guys run in tyrannical and fortified weeks same talent builds? or u change something else?

[warm plinth]

But logs show it separately because it's technically the mob doing damage to itself.

[urban bane]

Yeah i just am curious; not doing this thinking it'll fix my mid-tier tanking skills haha...

[icy pollen]

im trying to gather some knowledge for prot, in both the wowhead and icy veins guides the talent builds recommend taking rend. yet in both single target and aoe rotations it is never mentioned to use

[daring ruin]

hello does anyone have a weakaura for tank externals

[warm plinth]

Blood and Thunder in the class tree makes Thunder Clap apply Rend @icy pollen

[trim hill]

thunderclap applies rend

[warm plinth]

You never hardcast it

[icy pollen]

is there a rule for battle stance vs defensive stance?

[warm plinth]

Battle Stance until you need Defensive Stance

[icy pollen]

what is it like really tho

in 15s in general defensive stance?

[warm plinth]

No

[trim hill]

There's too many variables to make a rule just use it when you need more damage reduction

[warm plinth]

Even people doing 20s don't sit in defensive stance for the most part

[icy pollen]

thats what im looking for

[warm plinth]

Generally just use it as a pseudo defensive CD

for tankbusters and such

[noble lynx]

You can sit in def stance press block on cd and keep agro, and you time all 21s

[icy pollen]

cheers fellas

clear cut

ty

[trim hill]

In keys I usually sit dstance if there are going to be casts tha wont all get interrupted or bleed effects

[cinder storm]

I'd still sit in b stance, you have SR to deal with casts and impending victory if you need to heal yourself up

[plush tendon]

My reco for DSTance over BStance is: BStance>DStance in 'trivial' content (trivial content is subjective). For a push key (going from like a 20-21 for the first time), start in DStance and get a feel for the damage intake and swap in and out depending on how you feel or if you know X pack is gonna hurt (looking at those wolves in HoV)

[noble lynx]

I would just sit in def stance unless i know exactly whats happening in the pull, cause it wont matter probably if i need to ask this question, and just safer

[plush tendon]

The CD is so short (plus you dont lose rage like in classic) so I see no reason not to be liberal in your usage should you feel like you want it.

[noble lynx]

Right, but if someone is new to the spec and not confident with dungeons in general, just easier to sit in def stance and worry about stancedancing later

[tulip harness]

How does this embellishment stuff work? Am i not supposed to be able to add an embellishment to any piece of gear I craft?

[noble lynx]

You can only have 2

[cinder storm]

I disagree, better to get your cheeks clapped so you know firsthand where you need it and where you don't

[tulip harness]

Yeah, currently I have 0

[noble lynx]

And can only add it to the items that cost a spark

[tulip harness]

Yeah

does the equip on lariat already count as an embellishment even if I didn't manually add it to the item in the crafting order?

[plush tendon]

yea, you can have two (minus the food buff one you can get from Tuskarr feast)

[noble lynx]

That sounds like a recipe to discourage yourself from tanking

[plush tendon]

yes; any of the unique ones do

[noble lynx]

If youre just learning

[tulip harness]

Ah I see, okay, thanks

[cinder storm]

If a person can't learn from their mistakes and rise up from them, then 15s should be enough

[tulip harness]

And whats the deal with all the sockets people have on lariat? do they get automatically added on higher ilevel versions of the item? looking at the 382 in the crafting order menu it only has one

[plush tendon]

Personally, even then I dont see why they cant be in BStance; its really dependent on dungeon and current gear level; like even if they are new to Prot, if they doing a 10 whatever, Dstance is just not necessary assuming they skimmed over the general wowhead guide

[jagged pier]

u buy an item to add them

[tulip harness]

Oh I see, is that a part of the crafting order or something I do after I have the item?

[plush tendon]

but players can do what they feel is right; but confidence is key, and Bstance is for confidence

[jagged pier]

i dont know whats its called but u can just buy it off the AH

[deep spruce]

T1 of the item gives u first gem slot, t2 can give first n second and t3 can give u first second and third

[jagged pier]

and add them to any neck

[cinder storm]

Don't be like me, you buy a setting R2 to add second socket (since it already has one) and a setting R3 to add a third socket, I bought a R3 setting thinking it would add three stickers right away

[deep spruce]

Search for tiered

[jagged pier]

expect the wrathion one

[deep spruce]

Didn't they fix that

[jagged pier]

i dunno

i got rid of my wrathion neck

[deep spruce]

Yeah same but I'm sure I read it was fixed

[tulip harness]

Oh so its not even a lariat thing? you can just buy an item and add sockets to any neck?

[deep spruce]

Yes

[cinder storm]

Yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[tulip harness]

ah okay, cool, thanks guys

[deep spruce]

Don't buy a r1 neck socket thing tho, it's more expensive than t2. And t2 can give u two slots. T3 for the third @tulip harness

So buy 2x t2 and 1x t3

[slim pier]

yo, im tanking this thing for a friend fast, what's the dps prio like?

revenge first?

[plush tendon]

SS->Clap->Revenge

[slim pier]

ok

[plush tendon]

dont waste rage

[slim pier]

thanks

[raven kettle]

top streamers bitching about prot being the best, didnt dorkie main DK?

imagine that

[plush tendon]

cast IP (off GCD) if you capping

[jagged pier]

literally all tanks are equal

in terms of survivability

dps a bit different

but suvivbility all very close tbh

[plush tendon]

tank balance is pretty close

[raven kettle]

its just hilarious, seeing the best tank from previous xpacs complaining about warrior making a come back

[jagged pier]

because none of them like it

[noble lynx]

If we talking someone who will mess up block uptime, whose group will miss kicks, combine weird packs, etc feel like telling them to skip on a 15% dr sounds weird. Good for learning until you understand when to and when not to go bstance imo

[jagged pier]

and they dont actually have to play it

[plush tendon]

maybe a little tuning up and down for each one in a later patch

[jagged pier]

they need to tune the bad tanks up

not the good tanks down tbh

[plush tendon]

whatever Lord Ion decides

[raven kettle]

they never do that

[noble lynx]

Revert vengeance souls to 8% i beg

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

well yer they wont

but they should

[raven kettle]

but i think the idea of a DK complaining about not being as strong

is laughable

[jagged pier]

i mean they are perfectly fine just all playing wrong

[tulip harness]

When I craft the lariat, what kind of effect does using mats of different quality/tiers have on the end result? as in if I cheap out and buy a tier 1 illimited diamond compared to buying the tier 3?

[noble lynx]

Is this weird class tribalism time again

[jagged pier]

i was watching nowah today do 21s and his hp bar wasnt movin

[raven kettle]

he plays all the tanks but warrior apparently

[jagged pier]

doing like 90k hps

[plush tendon]

that cant be right.... Prot War is so fun

[raven kettle]

i know, its so fun

compared to DK? holy shit, DK is so fucking boring

[cinder storm]

They like pressing one button

[median tulip]

It's because for some people there are only 2 power settings: The Best There Is, and Dogshit

[plush tendon]

and thats from someone who plays DK and Paladin as his alts

cause plate gang

[noble lynx]

Have you only played shadowlands s3-4 dk

[raven kettle]

no

[plush tendon]

S3 and S4 DK was a travesty

.#notmyblooddk

[noble lynx]

Ye thats not dk

We forget about that

[raven kettle]

true

[plush tendon]

that was like.... a bastardization of what a Blood DK is

[median tulip]

At least it wasn't Season 1 with the DH Kite MEta

[noble lynx]

Shadowlands never happened

[raven kettle]

lol

[noble lynx]

Shadowlands dh was so bad

[plush tendon]

S1 I was playing Blood and Prot War.... I dont particularly like VDH all too much

[formal meadow]

any warrior spell reflect wa that you recommend?

[plush tendon]

except for S3-S4

[raven kettle]

its just wild seeing these dudes complain about a tank being stronger, when they played DK during season 4, and were like the ONLY viable tank past 20

[plush tendon]

that was fun

[noble lynx]

Ok thats a big kapp

[plush tendon]

yea, this is just wrong

[raven kettle]

i didnt get to even get invited to many keys past 20 on my warrior

[jagged pier]

i mean thats wrong

[plush tendon]

community perception was maybe out of wack

but Prot War S4 was giga chad

[noble lynx]

I pugged so many 20+ keys in green items on my warrior in s3

And it only got better in s4

[cinder storm]

TBF...all tanks were viable, just some made some things way easier, as pwar you needed help with kicks constantly, DH, Bears and DKs could eat most casts

[noble lynx]

Dk just did big dam

[plush tendon]

DK did really big dam

[jagged pier]

u mean S3 literally nothing changed for us from S3 - S4

[plush tendon]

and could use gavel

[jagged pier]

we were just slept on

[raven kettle]

yeah prot did shit aoe dmg compared for sure

[jagged pier]

eh?

[plush tendon]

more things to spell reflect

[raven kettle]

but necrolord prot was super intense

upper kara was awesome on prot tho, last boss reflect, doing 1mil

[cinder storm]

Pwar did good damage, DK was just one button brrrrrr

[noble lynx]

I loved the banner extend warrior

Bring it back

[cinder storm]

That was cracked

[plush tendon]

banner was cool

[noble lynx]

I liked reprisal as well

[plush tendon]

banners in general are cool

[plush tendon]

I despised reprisal

[cinder storm]

Playing a bit of bear in S2 and DK in S4 healed my carpal tunnel

[noble lynx]

Holy fuck bear

[plush tendon]

Cocaine bear

[noble lynx]

I hate that spec with a burning passion

[plush tendon]

now that was a spec

[noble lynx]

Bear players have 0 self respect

[plush tendon]

I still dont know what the appeal of a bear is....

[cinder storm]

It's super boring

[plush tendon]

do players just want to be a bear cause bears are cool?

[noble lynx]

It appeals to furries

[cinder storm]

Like "get me out of here" boring

[noble lynx]

And dadgamers

[blazing condor]

most tank players played bear up until they weren't ""meta"" anymore then switched off cus they're sleeper asf

[noble lynx]

But im completely agains the idea of newplayer tank spec, it doesnt need to be like bear

[plush tendon]

well im more concerned about why the bear mains play bear

[median tulip]

I didn't mind Reprisal, it was only ever a band aid on top of an underwhelmin g base Warrior kit though

[plush tendon]

I just dont see the appeal

cause theres always a large portion of the community that swaps tanks based on a arbitrary tier list and whatever their friends tell them to play cause how else will they time keys?

[cinder storm]

The problem with reprisal was they started with this 5head system for warriors, then said, you know what, this is too much work and every other tank has a 2head leggo

[plush tendon]

It was cool when it first came out... but after a year and a half of the same lego... you kind of go like 'alright, can we get something else please?'

[noble lynx]

It did feel rewarding tho

[ocean bloom]

my main issue with DK atm is that you can make a mistake that will ruin your next 10-15s on warrior you just cant really make a mistake like that rotationally. DK if i send DRW at the wrong time or drop boneshields between pulls without CDs up its just real feels bad

[plush tendon]

DKs have always had two pretty big flaws; one is on pull without resource and the other is getting one shot from 100-0

[noble lynx]

Im not sure if you said warrior is more or less forgiving

[cinder storm]

And that's what made me sad, it was still so fun to play, but you needed decent players to shine

[sick sentinel]

well, its not much, but its something

[ocean bloom]

more, like 100x more forgiving lol

[plush tendon]

War doesnt have that same issue on pull

cause a charge into SB is such a fluid way to start a pull

[limpid anchor]

And lose aggro

[plush tendon]

compared to DK walking his slow ass in there

[cinder storm]

huff am coming puff dnd chokes on air bloodboil

[ocean bloom]

but DK does feel satisfying when you get the big abomlimb burst aoe

[plush tendon]

Abom CD needs to be shorter

or they need to try the two charge system for that

[noble lynx]

Dk feels satisfying when youre dropping to 10% all the time but not dying

And youre in full control

[plush tendon]

Abom in class tier and a Abom in spec tree

[meager crescent]

Do you guys use battle stance fairly often? Or always defensive

[plush tendon]

Bstance gang forlife

[cinder storm]

DK looks cool at time, like you can eat every jade serpent strike without having to move

[plush tendon]

except when Im doing a scary pull

[sick sentinel]

my friend is a BDK and he's doing like 13 keys but he seems to be struggling from what i've heard on discord

[ocean bloom]

bstance, but ive been using dstance more as i get into higher keys where mistakes kill you lolk

[plush tendon]

some scary pulls include; the triple pull at the start of HoV (if you doing that) the puppies in the forrest (fuck those guys)

[ocean bloom]

last pack of TJS

[noble lynx]

Do you guys need dstance for dogs?

[plush tendon]

the last pull in TJS can be scary, but DStance wont really save you there anyways

[noble lynx]

I can facetank them on dh, how can big shield block not do same

Or are the bites unblockable

[ocean bloom]

yeah usually SW > Spellblock > SW (i run double SW in temple)

[meager crescent]

Im new to tanking so I always was in d stance. I’ll try using b stance more

[plush tendon]

theres a marco to swap in a and out

[cinder storm]

Anything that put bleeds on us is bad

[plush tendon]

its only a 6 second CD

somewhere in pins

[noble lynx]

They dont put bleed tho

[sick sentinel]

it seems like a bad thing at first but then its more normal after a day or 2

[plush tendon]

dem dogs just hurt

[noble lynx]

They just bite

[sick sentinel]

you may have urges to switch baeck to dstance at first

[ocean bloom]

dogs are scarier for dps than the tanks tbh

[plush tendon]

^

100%

they still scary

but dps and healers get 1 shot if two of em give em the stanky eye

[ocean bloom]

bears can fuck you up but you can also just kite them

[cinder storm]

I pull X2 and X3, lost many people there by getting x5

[sick sentinel]

both times i did HOV +9 and +10, both keys on time, i skipped the bears entirely this week

[ocean bloom]

on bears or dogs/

[sick sentinel]

and then picking up the adds in hallway +- a bull or 2

[meager crescent]

Do you guys pull everything in the tree boss area on algether? Or break it up a bit

[cinder storm]

Depends on week

[sick sentinel]

depends on affix

[cinder storm]

Birds rage so with raging they X2 rage

[blazing condor]

i usually do it in 2 pulls

[cinder storm]

You can do 2 pulls or 3

[blazing condor]

but you could pull it all for sure

[sullen flame]

Depends on week and what's in the group, target caps and all that. The flying assholes also worry me.

[ocean bloom]

if i trust my group i do 3 bugs then everything else, but if i dont trust its lasher pack + bugs then 2x lasher packs + 2nd bugs

[meager crescent]

Makes sense. It’s usually the bugs that sketch me out

[plush tendon]

Are those birds in AA still scary?

I remember first week I would just see people flop all the time

[ocean bloom]

ive never had a problem with them

[cinder storm]

Realistically, there's no damage to the rest of you only pull lashers, so the healer is just sitting there dpsing

[slim dove]

raging made them scary

[ocean bloom]

just gotta make sure your group does pull aggro on somehting thats not grouped

[blazing condor]

they have a stacking enrage dont they

[slim dove]

but ilvl was shit back then

[blazing condor]

if someone can soothe its fine

[cinder storm]

They rage plus raging

[slim dove]

yeah self stacking enrage + raging

so sub 30% theyd start bonking people hard

[plush tendon]

now, in higher keys, they pulling the whole area

so want to try that... cause AA has a tight timer

[cinder storm]

I'd do with with an evoker and the aoe soothe, but I run with a disc

[plush tendon]

and I would be hardpressed to double or triple some of the other pulls in that dungeon

[silk cliff]

its usually birds solo into all 3 lashers

[plush tendon]

dem arcane weapon mobs/dragons bros can be quite a time

[silk cliff]

at higher levels

[slim pier]

are you always in def stance/

[plush tendon]

no

[cinder storm]

Arcane missiles first week
Arcane missiles second week

[plush tendon]

yea; first week I was grabbing 40% in that zone

was so free

[median tulip]

Why are all the mages Frost, when it's a Sanguine week?

[plush tendon]

cause they cant play arcane

Arcane is gigachad

[slim dove]

sadly true

if i invite mage and see frost i usually kick

[plush tendon]

was a literal godsend when we were doing AV; funnel big damage onto those book reading guys after the first boss

[cinder storm]

Do they have a talent that auto frost nova or something? I made the mistake of inviting a frost mage this week

[plush tendon]

no... they just do it

for damage

[cinder storm]

He kept getting everything rooted

[slim dove]

its frostbite, their damage can cause freeze

they just need to unspec it

[plush tendon]

they need to learn arcane is what they need to do

[cinder storm]

Ah, so he was....dumb, got it

[slim dove]

hes frost so assume hes just dumb lul

[cinder storm]

Blizzard goes pew pew tee hee

[raven kettle]

dude i saw a random frost mage in H vault do insane damage

[plush tendon]

I havnt grouped with a frosty

our guild mage has been playing arcane through SL

but I feel like that spec should always be.... good; idk, mage is weird this tier

but Arcane deletes bosses and prio targets; such a useful damage profile when paired with a WW/Rogue/DH

[inland raft]

Tbf im told by mage friends that arcane is cancer to play and not fun at all

[plush tendon]

yea; the playstyle is 100% not for everyone

arcane has always felt super niche as a spec

whereas frost is a much more friendly spec to play

and appeals to a larger variety of players

[jovial birch]

From what I know if you are not good at arcane it’s no better and you may run out of mana.

[plush tendon]

just make glacial spike build great again

[inland raft]

Just reroll to melee

[plush tendon]

please no

I want my non hunter lust

[inland raft]

Shaman

[plush tendon]

..... we did just recruit one...

who plays enhancement.....

[inland raft]

Sounds like a match made in heaven

[plush tendon]

The comp Ive been playing most often has been Prot War, WW, Havoc, MM, and Resto Doodoo

[cinder storm]

Frost is also less stat reliant

[plush tendon]

which has been really solid

[inland raft]

I hate ranged tbh nothing frustrates me more then watching ranged 30 yards away with no situational awareness with thundering

[slim dove]

im finding as we go higher keys, the 8% healing taken buff WW brings is kinda insane.

[plush tendon]

having a wind walker has always been awesome

[slim dove]

the orange class i play with wants me to invite monk before anyone else every time

[inland raft]

And makeing it next to impossible to skip any pats cuz they like to just bullgaze their target and stand in pats way

[slim dove]

so usually we're prot/dh/ww/rdruid/x

[plush tendon]

Ive been running with WW since SL S1

[cinder storm]

I have a friend BM who can't break past 35-40k overall, he normally does a less than me in keys, I can't believe they really need tier + Raz bow to do something

[plush tendon]

Tier can be big for some

most hunters I know are playing MM

[inland raft]

Or rbl second boss baiting add over in africa.. did i mention I hate ranged?

[plush tendon]

except on Sennarth; BM makes that boss EZ mode

[meager crescent]

Have you found a solid mist weaver monk yet? Or is the spec just kind of meh right now

Not a huge fan of their healing

[slim dove]

played with a few solid ones

[analog sparrow]

Can grieftorch drop in prot loot vault?

[marble cipher]

why is that?

[slim dove]

no, go fury or arms.

[cinder storm]

First pack HoV, I just love when people don't clear thundering

[plush tendon]

no cast time, range class so the pull thing is whatever

and you can just follow the boss along up the stairs with a full range of movement with no DPS loss

[inland raft]

How does grieftorch work exactly? It days a channel but i see people saying they want it? Doesn’t channeling prevent block and parry?

[slim dove]

infinite movement, pet sticks to boss like glue the entire time

[plush tendon]

like, BM is the chillest spec in the game

its fantastic

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[analog sparrow]

Ty!

[marble cipher]

I wanna level my hunter to have a braindead dps, but, hunters die so easily, and more importantly, I hate leveling 😄

[plush tendon]

hunters are now the second squishiest class in the game

behind evoker

so, big gains

[inland raft]

Ah i only play melee so always assumed channel is like casting and i remember on dh they had to specifically change the hunt to allow parry during cast cuz was getting trucked trying to cast it back in sl

[plush tendon]

but Blizz needs to give hunters some general class love; not damage tuning, but its kind of rediculous that MM has to bring out a pet to lust... just make lust baseline for them

and RIP binding shot

[edgy grail]

Hunter is much better off than it has been previously

[plush tendon]

damage is fine

its the little things

that as a non-hunter player make me feel for em

[edgy grail]

If your hunters are still constantly dying, they aren’t pressing their buttons

[plush tendon]

I mean, that may be true

[meager crescent]

Are blood dks pretty easy to pick up and learn if I’ve only ever used warrior?

[fallen pulsar]

I rarely see a hunter turn on turtle stance for big damage, they usually just eat it and implode

[plush tendon]

but a good example would be the last boss in Court; our healer died. The hunter has no chance of living. The DH survived through 2 of those malestorms without help

[fallen pulsar]

But maybe turtle isn’t baseline anymore

[edgy grail]

That says more about DH than Hunter

[fallen pulsar]

Or too out of the way a ralent

[cinder storm]

They still have exhilarating, but yeah, my healer says they are annoying to heal

[tacit widget]

With Lariat should i socket pure or multistat games?

[plush tendon]

Maybe, but still, hunters need some love Ion

and I will die on this hill

[cinder storm]

Hunters sit far from everyone including healers and are squishy to boot

[ruby elbow]

Would it be weird for a M+ tank to run a raid dps trinket?

[cinder storm]

Nope, preferable even

[ruby elbow]

like datheas storm eater boon

[jagged pier]

no

u want it

there arent any good tank trinkets anyway

so go dps trinkets they are better

[cinder storm]

Killing things fast times a key

[ruby elbow]

kk

i didnt kill the 2nd last and raz but im hoping for a boon lowkey if i dont get any tier

[median tulip]

You will get more stats overall from multistat gems; however, the lariat procs off the LOWER of the two stats on a multistat gem

[plush tendon]

Dathea trinket giga dam

[edgy grail]

They have a 2m 40% DR, they have Turtle, ~1m 50% heal, 6% avoidance. I think they are mostly fine but yes on the weaker side

[ruby elbow]

ya i want

[plush tendon]

confirmed tank trinket

DPS can have that fire shield thing off first boss

[ruby elbow]

rlp haste trinket seems too juiced to let go of rn tho

[fallen pulsar]

Dead things do no damage to you. so damage is tanking 😉

[ruby elbow]

but the welp shell ca go for boon, or would u keep the welp shell and datheas boon ?

[jagged pier]

shell is meh

[ruby elbow]

thats what i was thinking

[plush tendon]

RLP trinket is aight; im eyeing a windscar/dathea for keys and then getting my hands on a Grimtorch

[jagged pier]

i dont know what the other trinket it

but its not windscar

which is like our only decent dungoen trinket

[ruby elbow]

windscar seems meh id rather haste > mastery

[plush tendon]

thats a hot take

[tacit widget]

so i should pref hast only when running lariat? or is versa procc also fine?

[jagged pier]

its like 5kdps or somthing

[fallen pulsar]

Really hoping to get the eranog ring this week

[plush tendon]

Windscar pumps

[cinder storm]

In running horn/blazehoof...so much rage

[ruby elbow]

horn seems ugly

[fallen pulsar]

It makes you ugly

[ruby elbow]

no str on atleast 1 trinket seems odd

[limpid anchor]

Thought all totem is good

Or does that not count as Tank trinket

[fallen pulsar]

I have horn + rumbling ruby

[jagged pier]

that is a good trinket

[median tulip]

Personally I'm running with Crafty Alexstraszite in mine (CRIT/haste), but I also run with an Idol of the Lifebinder.

[fallen pulsar]

Rumbling ruby + melandrus ring feels very good 🙂

[jagged pier]

and it is in a tank loot pool

[mortal brook]

Totems fine. Its no aegis that changes how you get to play

[fallen pulsar]

Beeg white damage

[jagged pier]

but its not a tank trinket

[toxic gyro]

Trinket from first raid boss is alright both dmg and defensively wise

[limpid anchor]

Sims kinda bad tho

Guess it’s m+ only

[median tulip]

I'm using this as my second trinket, purely for the passive stats; nothing better has dropped yet

[toxic gyro]

Is still pretty much send it on cd but it feels quite nice when you pull few packs, like first pull in hov or rlp

[plush tendon]

personally, my experience with all-totem has made me think its pretty underwhelming

[ruby elbow]

i just want the boon for raw dmg im only doing 19s rn so i know the max ilvl tier gear is right around the corner, I only have 2 set so I thought maybe a raid dps trinket would be the better option as it would be a pain to win an actual roll, and tier will just come with time much easier

[jagged pier]

u dont see a lot of what it does

all the buffs and debuffs etc

just hidden damage and damage reduction

[plush tendon]

[median tulip]

Is the Rumbling Ruby any good?

[toxic gyro]

If it’s not on the details it doesn’t count 😈

[plush tendon]

its aight

not bad, not great

but a good passive trinket

we did notice that it was pulling mobs on the bottom platform in AV though

maybe it was a bug... but yea

[median tulip]

LOL, ok

[plush tendon]

that happened

[median tulip]

Do they snap up if pulled?

[fallen pulsar]

Seems like a bug? Never had that occur in my AV runs

[plush tendon]

they did

not fun

[fallen pulsar]

And I run rumbling

[plush tendon]

yea, may have been a bug

but thats what logs said

[limpid anchor]

You can pull mobs through floors in some dungeons

[median tulip]

Small Indie Company Problems

[limpid anchor]

Pretty nice if you expect it

[spice axle]

what's bis m+ weapon enchant guys

[brittle owl]

something something icy veins guide

[plush tendon]

whatever doesnt break the bank

[odd nimbus]

[spice axle]

😦

i did like 6 recrafts for my weapon in order to get the 418

[plush tendon]

My Paladin is a g when it comes to making 418 weps

everyone be getting rank 5s with Augustwo

[ruby elbow]

yeah but who dosnt already have that

where the shield doods be at

have you been making decent money @plush tendon ? :>

[plush tendon]

not from crafting; I did it cause its fun to make your own gear and interact with the profession system

also helps the guild

we got everyone doing different things

feels nice when someone in your guild pings you and is like 'yo, ya boi needs a 1h sword. Hook a brotha up.'

or vice versa 'yo, need a lariat. You got me right?'

[meager crescent]

I went with the shield spec in blacksmithing. Not sure if it was the right choice lol

But I have myself a molten defender at least

[sick sentinel]

cool

my new cpu cooler arrived

[old inlet]

Lately I’ve been having stuff pulled through the floor in my 5 stack and we have no idea what’s doing it

[median tulip]

Defensively/for raiding purposes the one that gives haste; offensively/for M+ the one that cleaves frost damage

[plush tendon]

crafting for most players at the start was kind of a shit show

if you didnt know exactly what you were doing "if interested in gold'

like, if I knew Lariat would be so rare and desired..... I would have specced right into jewlcrafting

[chilly comet]

should i be opening vault as fury?

[ocean bloom]

even speccing into JC you had to get an early recipe

[deft niche]

that would require the recipe actually dropping for you, i specced necks on JC and never had the recipe drop

[golden tartan]

u guys get aggro with thunder clap/revenge and other aoe offensives?

not counting taunt

[plush tendon]

our guild guy took a loan from another guildy

to buy it

[golden tartan]

quite new to tanking, but ive done a +3 and a few m0's so far

was quite fun

[plush tendon]

if you dont care about a shield drop, then yea

tank trinkets or poop, and dps trinkets are cool

[deft niche]

lol, recipe prices early were like near gold cap, that's crazy.

[coarse flower]

what spec would I open vault as?

[lucid raven]

Should we just open as arms if we dont need 1H?

What happens to tier if I open as Fury/Arms?

[plush tendon]

yea, recipe was expensive, but you made gold cap back

and more

easily

[golden tartan]

i feel like 2handed is more valuable

[toxic gyro]

Arms if you play other specs. Also gives you highest odds of getting pieces you need.

[golden tartan]

1hand u can craft with 1spark

[deft niche]

still had to actually get someone to sell it to you, it was tough. Not everyone really could have that opportunity

[opaque vine]

408 boon in vault, or mythic legs, reeeee

[fallen pulsar]

What’re you guys looking like dpswise at the end of keys btw

[blazing condor]

45-50k most dungeons

higher on high dps dungeons

[meager crescent]

Anywhere from 40k-50k depending on the pulls and dungeon

[plush tendon]

yea; depends on your situation and whether or not you had access to gold

whether your own or someone elses who trusted you

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah thats where I’m generally floating as well

[golden tartan]

how big of a difference do weapons make for a prot warr?

dps wise

[terse frigate]

Manic grieftorch worth taking?

[plush tendon]

does big dam

depends on what else dropped.... but grimtorch is giga good

[fading halo]

Are servers back up yet?

[blazing condor]

think most top logs in m+ uses that trink

[fallen pulsar]

Theyre up

[tawny kiln]

hmm first tier piece or the Diurna's choosing ring

[meager crescent]

You guys rocking 4 pc yet? I need 1 more still

[median tulip]

lol no, I only have 1 piece

[peak charm]

soooo, 395 all-totem of the master to replace a 379 turtle shell, or a 405 shoulders to replace a 382 shoulder? 😦

[floral moon]

424 tier shoulder or 421 tier pants?

[civic wasp]

brand new 70 prot warrior here, yesterday i got the heroic raid neck that's giga haste/crit from weekly emissary... should i still craft the lariat neck or should i aim for other pieces (thinking shield or sword)? only planning to do m+

[fallen pulsar]

408 tier that looks valor upgradable in my vault

[reef holly]

Ok I have a 405 goldsteel greathelm to replace my 385 wyrmforged helm, or 395 Skovald shield to replace my 372 crystal bulwark? I’m thinking shield

[fallen pulsar]

I ended up crafting other stuff since for me getting big ilvl increases would have been more dps gain than the boost of a lariat to replace that neck

[tired forge]

berfore i do something dumb. If I have a crafted 418 shield, I should open my vault as Arms right? No reason to be tank?

[median tulip]

What iLvl is your Main Hand weapon?

[tired forge]

4087

408

and i can valor it higher

[steady steppe]

Dam bro got the 4087 ilvl

[tired forge]

lol

[median tulip]

Hmmmm.... do you have Raid slots done? Because All-Totem won't show up if yuou open as Arms

[floral moon]

is this take pants angle because its unlikely to find it again? compared to brood shoulders

[civic wasp]

thanks appreciate it, that's kinda what i was leaning towards so the affirmation helps

[tired forge]

hmmm i dont

[median tulip]

Pants are only from Sennarth

[tired forge]

i have whispering incarnate and decoration of flame though

[median tulip]

In your situation I'd probably open as Arms

[tired forge]

thanks

[floral moon]

no raid pants higher than 415 so to match the 421 again i'd have to find either 421 plate pants and wait catalyst or pray it shows up again

im thinking finding raid shoulders is higher chance

[onyx sandal]

Thoughts on loot to take? I'm leaning turns the icon over the 418 tier gloves. Already have 2 pc and the gloves are not great stats

Icon has avoidance in it. Only thing is gloves would be a 23 ilvl upgrade

[deep dove]

Did they fix the Brutal Vitality bug? or does 4 set just unbug the bug?

[median tulip]

Oh I see...

[bitter sparrow]

Wow what a cache. Icon is prob a solid pick

Anyone know off the top of their head about how much ilvl the fang weapon embellishment is worth damage wise?

versus just slotting a higher weapon

[vagrant lava]

thjoughts? leaning towards seal...

[cinder storm]

Pins

[vagrant lava]

already have jewlwed signet, and can craft unstable frostfire right now

[bitter sparrow]

Dang they really do cover everything in there

[onyx sandal]

Yeah pretty good. Hopefully I didn't use all my luck hah

I'm torn. I don't mythic raid so not sure if I should just go with the gloves, but the icon with avoidance is nice

[peak charm]

The trinket or shoulders... got 382 shoulders (I can get in M+ though anyways) or a 379 turtle shell - suggestions?

[onyx sandal]

then again, not sure if the icon is good for M+

[chilly comet]

So raidbots is telling me to take trinket.. I have 398 version of so I feel like pants are the better pick (esp cause I can turn into tier eventually) Thoughts?

[opaque forge]

HOW DO I PROC THIS?

[chilly comet]

i think the trinket i have in above pic will proc it

[prisma crane]

crafted belt

[peak charm]

flame trinket lol

[crude spruce]

there's a crafted belt that shoots fire

[bitter sparrow]

https://gyazo.com/5778337006e571f36172979324a61be1

[opaque forge]

is it worth?

[prisma crane]

if you have the belt it's very good

[crude spruce]

the ring is really good mit in M+

[lone eagle]

Jeweled Signet v fire/cobalt rings

I would think fire/cobalt rings are probably better?

[vagrant lava]

desocration, frostfire, and both seals is OP

[crude spruce]

so do I grab the Icon or Mythic tier chest?

[prisma crane]

just sim yourself, but likely, yes

[crude spruce]

i like the icon but tier is always hard to pass on

[meager crescent]

I’m rocking frostfire belt with both raid rings

[lone eagle]

for reference, pwar alt already has H absorb fire ring and frostfire belt

but no tier legs

[fading isle]

How much haste should we take as tank? Its there a cap or as much we can?

[prisma crane]

all the haste

[meager crescent]

Isn’t it diminishing returns at 30%+

[deft hazel]

[prisma crane]

generally still doesn't matter, it's our most useful stat

[lone eagle]

alright boys, based on this vault and with the knowledge that I have heroic fire ring absorb already + cobalt ring; what would you take

[prisma crane]

just dont go out of your way for it

[lone eagle]

currently have 382 non-tier legs

[prisma crane]

like i said before, sim yourself

likely legs though

the ring is nice, but not THAT nice

[compact jackal]

"How do you want your vault fam?" "Preferably full of trash."

[prisma crane]

that trinket is great

[ruby elbow]

I got 418 tjs belt with leech, a 2h wep 418 (I don’t dps like ever) and shitty wrists , curious if the TJS belt is good ?

[lone eagle]

bear got the mythic fire ring from eranog in vault lmao

he bout to blast more r1 parses this week

[compact jackal]

the trinket from mythic is worse than the trinket off the world boss lol

[inland raft]

411 helm or 415 shoulders if have 385 shoulders but no helm on my baby prot?

gonna run hc raid first on him before opening but assuming get neither which?

[wanton shale]

if i really want a tier piece to drop in vault, are my chances higher if I put loot spec as Arms cuz there is only 1 weapon type/slot possible?

[ruby elbow]

Yeah @wanton shale

[valid vale]

tier legs is 20 ilvl and only gives 3pc or boots are 29 ilvl and have leech, Thoughts?

[compact jackal]

Considering the catalyst is in 3 weeks, it's better to take the 415 chest over the 408 tier, correct?

Or do I take the vers/mastery 418 boots and cry

[high drum]

what the fuck did na just come up or something

[prisma crane]

clearly

[high drum]

what are all these simable questions doing

[wanton shale]

oh shit i forgot about just waiting 3 weeks to convert the highest ilvl piece but i really want the tier right now lol

[high drum]

go away americans raidbots dot com

[prisma crane]

stay grumpy EU, stay grumpy

because you know damn will this is just going to repeat in like 8 hours

[high drum]

yeah it'll be me

[prisma crane]

fwiw i like seeing what people get anyways

[high drum]

HELLO r/protwars do i take 411 griefyT or 421 leggings please like comment and sumbscribes with your answers

yeah me too tbh

[prisma crane]

and a top sim choice isnt always the best choice when you add context

[high drum]

i like seeing the vaults

[wanton shale]

i like seeing everyone getting what i wanted to be even more mad about my vault 🙂

[high drum]

enchants...

[prisma crane]

^

its ok, welcome to the club

[sick current]

How are you doing? I know you from the druid forums Lol!

[dusky burrow]

What would you take??? THe helm isnt tier but is (my) max level gear with socket that I could make tier in a few weeks. The gloves give me the 4piece. Both are the same when simmed (+-20dps). Im kind of lost on if its worth it to get a socket and go without 4piece for 2 more weeks as a prot

[high drum]

int bad stat

[cinder storm]

I'd complete tier

[prisma crane]

4p imo only useful if you're dying, i'd go for the helm

but im a dps whore so...

[high drum]

4piece isnt that great

[prisma crane]

its great, but does nothing for dmg

[dusky burrow]

Im not dying yet...running 20s and im pretty ok.

[high drum]

doesnt do much in raid either

[wanton shale]

is our 2pc better than 4pc bonus?

[lone eagle]

good; I'm in all the tank discords

[compact jackal]

helm

our 4 set is w/e

[prisma crane]

for damage yes, for survivability i think they're close

[compact jackal]

but tier gloves are the worst tier slot

[prisma crane]

also this

[crude parcel]

I have 4 set

I'm thinking either weppy or ring

(both are haste vers)

[prisma crane]

please craft a shield

[crude parcel]

please give me gold

thank you

[upbeat tulip]

hi all, just have a question regarding the 1h crafted weapons, is there a difference between them? Or is it purely aesthetic. I noticed they have difference min-max damage ranges, but same dps, so not sure what the impact of it is.

[prisma crane]

farm orbs for like... an hour and you'll get the gold you need

[queen latch]

what orbs

[cinder storm]

Orbs?

[prisma crane]

glowing titan orbs

[true island]

Titan orbs

[upbeat salmon]

9-13k à pop depending on realm

[prisma crane]

they sell for like 6-10k each, yea

[compact jackal]

Any idea how many catalyst charges we start with?

[upbeat salmon]

1

[prisma crane]

and can get about 1 every 5-10 min

[compact jackal]

Because I could take the vers/mast -oof

[upbeat salmon]

Is the logical answer

[prisma crane]

^

it'll be 1 per wk

[queen latch]

does the crafted waist always give a socket slot? or is it rng proc?

[compact jackal]

so the 415 chest would be the best option then. Simply because the boost are vers/mast, and set boots are mast/haste.

[prisma crane]

and you dont lose the charges if you dont use them

[crude parcel]

so uhm.. Now that we're done taking about farming gold which item is the most sensical? I'm leaning towards weapon but ring is a huge ilvl uppie

[compact jackal]

and although ilvl > blah blah, them do be some awful stats on those boots

[upbeat salmon]

Tbf after like 10 charges it should just be unlimited

[prisma crane]

yes, weapon for sure

ring has no STR so it's already a second class item

plus literally anyone can trade you a ring, not everyone can get 1H STR weapons to trade

[worldly kiln]

How good is Whispering INcarnate Icon compared to +10ilvl cape or ring

[crude parcel]

Take incarnate

[worldly kiln]

Already have rumbling earth and dec of flame

[crude parcel]

Assuming you have any form of a raid team

[worldly kiln]

i only PUG

that's the catch

[crude parcel]

hmm

[worldly kiln]

and have 2 raid trinks that are decent

[deep isle]

Which one is more valuable here? I also play fury on the side which would make the ring better choice but idk how important tier pieces are

[crude parcel]

tier prolly

that ring isnt even close to being high ilvl

[worldly kiln]

400 ilvl btw, so the ilvl upgrades are nice but not really necessary at this point

[cinder storm]

Based on fury pins, tier for fury is meh

[gaunt oar]

WORST

[crude parcel]

that ring will be thrown away sooner than tier

[prisma crane]

gloves are our worst slot, but the bonuses are still worth getting, that said, with catalyst "soon" the ring will eventually become the harder item to obtain, though it's not THAT good so i wouldnt worry about it much

[worldly kiln]

when does the catalyst come out?

or is it tbd

[cinder storm]

About 3 weeks

[tropic magnet]

Do we still only really want 20% haste? I'm at 24% right now. Figure I can enchant my rings Vers or something.

[deep isle]

When is catalyst supposed to drop? I also raid normal and if gloves drop my guild is giving them to me which I guess could also be a consideration?

[cinder storm]

We haste crit boys now

[crude parcel]

In 3-5 weeks

[deep isle]

Granted these are M+ and are upgradeable

[median tulip]

More haste is better

[craggy pilot]

how many dungeons do i have to do on Sign of the Warrior to get a fucking weapon 🤣

[gaunt oar]

So, helm is 10ilvl upgrade, but has speed and is upgradeable

Chest is 20ilvl upgrade, no tertiary stats and is upgradeable

[craggy pilot]

did like 30 dungeons this week, and no weapon

[cinder storm]

Chest

[tropic magnet]

Right, but don't we see less benefit past the 20% marker? So I could enchant rings to be crit or vers or something and see more benefit.

[prisma crane]

if that's the case then i'd probably just sim and go from there

[gaunt oar]

speed doesnt matter?

[crude parcel]

It's meaningless

unless u get like 20% total

and even then.. Kinda meaningless

[prisma crane]

but zoom zoom is fun

[crude parcel]

sure

[prisma crane]

but you're not wrong