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sleek current
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RIP inspired. You will not be missed.

unique shale
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Lol

sleek current
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In the meantime, we can enjoy the sentinels in Halls of Valor. Solidifying themselves as the most annoying mobs to ninja pull in history.

warm plinth
sleek current
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I've never tried the beer on them. Are they affected by it?

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The King's are... So, I'd be surprised if they weren't.

warm plinth
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Not sure, I've never tried to use it on them

sleek current
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I'll run into a mythic 0 and give it a go tomorrow, see what happens.

warm plinth
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Back in legion we always used one on the center pack and then shrouded or invis potted past them

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Or just pulled them since they aren't that bad with the movespeed buff

sleek current
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I usually take 3 of them upstairs with the first king

warm plinth
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That just sounds annoying ๐Ÿ˜‚

sleek current
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It is. ๐Ÿ˜‚

warm plinth
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Especially since you lose the movespeed buff once you get up there

tender cove
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Yeh, its an old ability but i wrote a long ass response but i realized i'm just nervous about it, thinking I need, this, or that and build up route with that in mind.
But end of the day, i just gotta get that shit done with 4 other semi competent people. I gotta stop thinking the entire run is on my shoulders and mine alone.

mellow quartz
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RLP has a quite lenient timer so you can just take it slow.

warm plinth
urban portal
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physical bleeds are almost always healer checks

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because almost every tank has a way to beat magic dot

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but physical dots are not reduced by armor nor is it reduced by most of any tanks kit

sleek current
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Tell that to blazing chomp... My poor spell reflect, he just couldn't keep up the poor guy. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

warm plinth
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Ever damage reduction we have works on bleeds ๐Ÿค”

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Every*

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Except Spell Reflection

sleek current
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Blazing Chomp is a healer... dispel check. Haha

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Relatively confident you can dispel seering wounds as well though in RLP.

warm plinth
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Yeah, that shit hurt so bad. You're just panicking like DISPEL DISPEL

unique shale
sleek current
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Mechagon: Workshop. ๐Ÿ˜„

urban portal
warm plinth
urban portal
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only heals do

slim dove
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evokers can dispel it, or you can dwarf it off

urban portal
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or defensives

slim dove
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thats it

sleek current
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That'll be it. The evokers.

urban portal
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armor gain, shield block, stagger, all rarely work on bleeds

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idk about stagger since thats walways weird

slim dove
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100% theres some bleed removal item hidden away somewhere that'll work

warm plinth
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Stagger does work on bleeds; it's just generally classed as magic stagger for whatever reason

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So it still hurts

urban portal
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ah yeah

warm plinth
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But yes I see what you mean

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Referring to just general AM spells

urban portal
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and since bleed takes a while to tick

warm plinth
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RIP old SotR

urban portal
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its usually the healers job to keep you topped

sleek current
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Where's my steward? I need some of that life juice.

warm plinth
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I love that they didn't include bleeds in bitter immunity

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They were like enough of this phial shit

slim dove
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yeah lets just make bitter even more shit of a talent

unique shale
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Its more of pvp talent tbh

slim dove
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its garbage there too in comparison to other classes talent trees.

warm plinth
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Just sucks that it leaves off the two you'd most want it for

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Magic and physical

sleek current
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I miss having Berserker Rage... Not like I ever need it but, I could always count on it.

slim dove
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every fear is so obviously telegraphed

warm plinth
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Yeah fortunately it doesn't have much use this season

slim dove
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and usually group-wide so its an auto wipe anyways

warm plinth
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Every fear is kickable I believe, even in the dungeons we don't have rn

sleek current
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The only fear I'm concerned about is the Haunting Scream. I never pull more than two. Fairly managable at that I think.

slim dove
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3rd boss nok has a fear but if you get hit by it..

warm plinth
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oh yeah the aoe

urban portal
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and the ones that you are meant to avoid are terrifies

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which dont work

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like shriekwing

warm plinth
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I always stick to the leaping add anyway

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Since the other boss will inevitably come there

thorn sage
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Is Storm-Eater's Boon a good trinket for Prot? I just got a 408 one with leach on it

unique shale
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Damm

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Use it for full dps mod in aoe

warm plinth
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It does great damage, but being rooted for 10 seconds can be real spicy

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You have to know where you can use it safely

thorn sage
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Can you remove the buff manually early if you need to move?

warm plinth
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No

thorn sage
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This is like 30ilvls higher than any other trinket I have, with the strength and 233 leech would it be useful without using the ability over lower pieces? Or should I still look for a tanking effect one to use?

warm plinth
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The strength alone probably makes it better than a lot of trinkets. But it depends on what the other trinkets are.

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Leech isn't really something you take into account barring identical pieces

thorn sage
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Ok, thanks for the help

frozen rose
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So is this elemental lariat best necklace in slot?

warm plinth
grand saddle
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anyone have a tracker for 2 set

vital oak
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Is it worth tracking? I thought it was best to stick to the normal rotation even with 2 piece.

mellow quartz
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Not worth tracking imo

warm plinth
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Yeah you don't change rotation for 2pc

severe hatch
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So boys, what kind of sanguine healing #s do you typically see at the end of your PUG keys? Obviously it can vary a fair bit by dungeon

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I'm ending up at around 20M pretty frequently, feels like I could probably improve quite a bit

warm plinth
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That isn't really something I look at. I just pull shit out

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If it gets healed, I tried ๐Ÿคท

severe hatch
warm plinth
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It's going to be higher in higher keys as well, because it heals a % of mob HP

severe hatch
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I'm running 16s primarily for reference

sleek current
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28mil in Nokhud. 3mil in Court of Stars. It's going to vary.

mellow quartz
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Had 53m in a NO 20 and timed it lol

unique shale
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6m if i do good 10m if i dont do enough

sleek current
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My 28mil was in a 15+ and we failed the time because we wiped on last boss.

unique shale
warm plinth
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on what level keys though Deep

unique shale
severe hatch
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Is your group doing much to evenly DPS mobs and stun low health targets?

sleek current
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Honestly, the adds there are absolute turds. All of 'em cast some nonsense, I wish the shaman and evoker used their push more often but, ultimately I could've just done better. ๐Ÿ˜‚

severe hatch
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I find my pugs do neither most of the time

quaint inlet
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Casters tend to be the main reason ichor is high

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the tempests in RBL like to stand in Ichor doing their whole rotation

sleek current
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I have 38 interrupts in Nokhud. Mage has 18... We had a shaman with 6... What's that?

unique shale
sleek current
sleek current
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I'm impressed to see a Mage with any interrupts to his name. ๐Ÿ˜‚

unique shale
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25 kick my last record

severe hatch
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My last key the monk was RoPing mobs back into the longbowman in Nokhud so he could AoE them

sleek current
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

severe hatch
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That was fun

unique shale
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I always having most fun with dk in keys

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Easy pack stacks

sleek current
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I do like a good DK but, as it stands right now. It's hard to give them the death-balls they need and want.

severe hatch
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Absolutely, too many priority kicks in most dungeons

vital oak
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It's not the stacking, it's the pools of blood under the immobile mobs

unique shale
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Dont need to worry about dps pulling out of his cds on one adds while i am mass pulling

sleek current
vital oak
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Next week I'm only inviting ranged dps.

unique shale
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What is next week afflix ?

vital oak
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spiteful/storming

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i think

unique shale
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Nah it was storming and raging

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I sure

vital oak
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Ahh, that's not too bad.

unique shale
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Yup get hit by storm while mobs enraging

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FUN

severe hatch
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Hard to name a fun affix combo this season

slow harbor
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are there any gear slots to particularly focus on upgrading w/ valor? other than wep/shield

severe hatch
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Just bullshit and less bullshit

vital oak
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But only if they're already up there

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valor cap is no joke

pastel sleet
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how do i get aggro on the second wave of moving trees during academy treeboss

slow harbor
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dont have any tier, just running keys. im valor capped so gotta spend something lol

vital oak
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oh, second set, have your group stacked nicely

pastel sleet
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yeah so i aoe taunt the first wave of moving treants. what about the second

unique shale
vital oak
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If they're spread a bit you can ravager in one area, move and TC

vital oak
tender cove
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when is the real push week? in a month?

vital oak
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Unless you need that extra push to start doing 16s I would hold it.

vital oak
severe hatch
pastel sleet
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alright. this boss is hella unforgiving for pugs.... are yall coming to that same conclusion?

severe hatch
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The boss requires a lot of coordination to pull off cleanly

tender cove
severe hatch
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Absolutely

tender cove
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4 is kinda push but 5 is def push week right?

manic wave
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gross euro date format

tender cove
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ye why have it logical

slender blade
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spiteful is a pain, but this week is not really a push week since we are undergeared

leaden shuttle
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is there anyway i can press M to open up my map and look at arrow routes for mythic dungeons?? i tried MDT but i dont like having to type /mdt to open up that map everytime

unique shale
slender blade
tender cove
slender blade
vital oak
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sucks for melee

tender cove
tender cove
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because sang slows you down too

mellow quartz
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Every week is a good week atm as peopleโ€™s ilvl keeps going up.

slender blade
warm plinth
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There really aren't any great weeks; this is probably the best one in the rotation tbh

vital oak
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At least Bursting/Grievous is done.

unique shale
lusty grotto
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haha bolstering storming what a game

lusty grotto
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if you have one

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but tbh routes are so easy this season, you will probably memorize them fast enough

unique shale
mortal brook
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pushing on bolster

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nty

lusty grotto
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yeah man

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yeesh

young mango
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Did a weekly no leaver 20 av, shit was though

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2nd Boss was intense and Last Boss aswell

neat harbor
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Waas intimidating shout removed from Prot? D:

slender blade
neat harbor
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I see it now, ty

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does 1-hand weapon spec affect all damage if you have a 1-h equipped or just weapon-based abilities like revenge?

warm plinth
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All damage, except like trinkets and shit

neat harbor
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๐Ÿ‘Œ

slim dove
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iirc for 418 recrafts we wanna do shield before weapon?

lusty grotto
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ofc

rustic shadow
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Anyone have tips for 3rd boss in Temple? Did a 17 and was getting omega-fragged by the dot.

slim dove
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spell block / double wall are a must.

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hp pots, health stones, and IV help with the heal absorb

warm plinth
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and last stand

cloud imp
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Random question, how many recast of IP do you guys get in a run?

slim dove
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last stand is giga on her

cloud imp
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like over 400?

rustic shadow
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Thanks

warm plinth
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Probably not that many but it depends

cloud imp
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I'm having a uptime of 75-95% but my recast are insane

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just don't want to waste rage when I don't need too

slim dove
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ip less revenge more keks

warm plinth
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You spend rage on revenge, and you use it on IP if you can't prevent overcapping with revenge/sb alone

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You don't need to worry about having x% uptime

cloud imp
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Eh been bitched at all week by healers for not having enough uptime

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made a macro, but it feels like it eats my Rage

warm plinth
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Sounds like a them problem

cloud imp
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have it macro'd to SS

warm plinth
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yeah don't do that

stark pelican
warm plinth
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The initial hit

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I'd say spell block is more for the dark claw assholes in that dungeon than the 3rd boss

stark pelican
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Well I learned something new today. We just have been CCing the Sha in last group and blowing up the rest and the 18 it was doable. I am assuming I can make it way easier with SB though so Iโ€™ll have to try that. Thanks for the tip.

warm plinth
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Yeah unless you can blast the shit out of that pack, you might still have to CC one/kite at some point

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But spell blokc is a big help after you've used reflect

stark pelican
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Good to know huge help, thank you.

vestal lintel
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Can you use Howling Rune and Primal Whetstones at the same time?

ionic fern
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Even on a +20 it's pretty chill. Just make sure you have all your CD's ready and pair them with IV/Health pot / LS etc.

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And let your DPS'ers hold CD's for the 2nd phase.

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Never forget that LS counts as a heal.

slim dove
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For pugs i feel its a must

warm plinth
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@ionic fern hi ily

ionic fern
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What ever gets you through the key at the end of the day.

ionic fern
slim dove
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9/10 everyone blows everything on pull and you sit through 70-30% waaayy longer then you want

ionic fern
warm plinth
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And if they do, bonus, you can frown disappointedly at them

slim dove
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yeah ive tried lol

ionic fern
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@warm plinth went to work yesterday - no snow, everything had melted.
Woke up today, barely could get to work since so much snow.

warm plinth
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dang

ionic fern
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Had to literally ram myself into the parking spot.

warm plinth
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We've only gotten like 2 inches so far this year

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(~5cm)

ionic fern
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That doesn't count as snow.

warm plinth
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ikr

slim dove
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i supervise 3 snow removal crews, shits been brutal this year

warm plinth
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Doesn't snow that often in this part of the country. We get cold temps and a decent bit of freezing rain though, which is worse x_x

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ˜‚

warm plinth
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Yeah we haven't had a winter that bad since the year I moved here, back in 2010

ionic fern
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Pretty sure i won't be able to get out at the end of the day since it's around 0 degrees right now so the snow is all "wet" and it's going to -10 in the afternoon.

warm plinth
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yikes

jaunty vector
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cant decide if Iwant to open the weekly as prot or arms

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๐Ÿค”

ionic fern
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I'm doing mine as Fury since i got wpn/shield.

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But still hope for that 421 Strike Twice.

warm plinth
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we going prot for me hmmNod

slim dove
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fury praying for 1h or grieftorch

steady steppe
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Does opening as fury vs prot just change weapons and trinkets?

ionic fern
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Yes.

steady steppe
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Why not open as arms

ionic fern
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Literally my last message.

steady steppe
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Ohh

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Fury drops one hands too

ionic fern
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Jeah.

steady steppe
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I forget fury can even use one hands

warm plinth
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Because they need to just let SMF lay down and die like it's been trying to do since its inception

ionic fern
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My brightest memories of playing Fury Warrior is from Vanilla when i was running around with 2 one handers.

tame jasper
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Any suggestion what talent to switch to get intervene (looking for bosses like last in azure vault for more mobility)

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Bleed or Shockwave most probably?

ionic fern
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You shouldn't need it.

warm plinth
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Pain and Gain, Bounding Stride, Sidearm, shit like that

ionic fern
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๐Ÿ‘€

warm plinth
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But yeah that's not a dungeon I'd run it

ionic fern
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If you want more mobility you do not give up Bounding Stride.

warm plinth
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I assumed he just wanted more distance covering spells

tame jasper
tame jasper
warm plinth
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Tell your healer to heal more ๐Ÿ˜‚

forest tulip
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stupid question but uh do you all swap talents based on the dungeon? lol

warm plinth
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Well yeah but it's not like you're gonna walk out of the dungeon to swap talents, so you'd have to use it the entire run

tame jasper
ionic fern
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Still.

warm plinth
ionic fern
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Charge to Shards.

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Avatar removes slow.

tame jasper
ionic fern
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Healer can dispell slow.

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Leap.

warm plinth
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They have to go outside to swap

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You can do it in Temple because the entrance is literally right there

forest tulip
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no, you cant. i made that mistake of forgetting to swap in a m+

tame jasper
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hm okay thought they changed it

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then intervene will stay away anyway

warm plinth
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The change they made was that you didn't have to be rested/use a tome to do it

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And you can do it in raid/non-m+

tame jasper
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thanks for removing this mind error ๐Ÿ˜‰

pearl bay
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If you open vault as fury can you still get the trinket from eranog?

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Or do you need to be prot

tame jasper
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next step: raiding grocery store

tame jasper
tame jasper
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switch spec, if its in yur loot table for that specc u can loot it from vault

pearl bay
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So i guess thats a yes?

slim dove
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just look at dungeon journal

warm plinth
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You need to check the in-game dungeon journal, set it to fury, and see if it's there

pallid quiver
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healers can't dispell anything
๐Ÿ™‚

solar sandal
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is...rumbling ruby actually good?

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kinda feels like it's shit lol

golden tartan
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do u guys use rend?

urban portal
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You donโ€™t press rend ever

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Only thunderclap

golden tartan
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and how do i deal with taunts if someone aggro-ed?

rapid belfry
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Do healers have to heal tanks more now compared to,,, dunno, SL? Like a lot more. It's probably low secondary stats and pushing keys a good 10 ilvls above me, but wondering how you guys at 395+ feels.

urban portal
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Hit it harder

solar sandal
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nothing should really be able to pull off you

urban portal
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Sl tanks were made of paper compared to now

solar sandal
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snap threat is kinda sus sometimes if dps get really ahead of themselves but you can shout to get it if it comes to it

ionic fern
slim dove
lyric geode
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Guys, off channel

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I have spend around 50k to make azureweave bags

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they are 34 slot bags. Which is unique

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I dont see why they dont sell

ionic fern
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I never knew there were 34 slot bags.

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๐Ÿ˜‚

rapid belfry
ionic fern
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๐Ÿคท

lyric geode
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This game is about teamwork

cerulean musk
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Iโ€™m 387 and only doing 11s Iโ€™m scared of going higher, tried a 12 SMBG and got smacked and died, group disbanded ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

lyric geode
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If you cant find one. You cant succeed

lyric geode
cerulean musk
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Not even, right before the first boss

inner hound
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Those have the highest tank damage in there

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You need to stun their cast

azure verge
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What dungeons is spell block best for. Thanks

solar sandal
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i just aggro'd and ran backwards until my cd as up and they never hit me during

cerulean musk
solar sandal
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i mean you can if you have defensives

cerulean musk
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I guess there is a lot more to it when you go up the keys, need to be much more mindful of skills

solar sandal
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on fort week i just shield wall there

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you dont need shit for the boss

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you can spell reflect for the mitigation

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if you're running spell block i believe it works there? i forget, check the sheet

cerulean musk
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Do you run prot stance in higher keys?

solar sandal
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i'm just getting into 20s

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but i'm still in battle stance

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there are times for certain pulls where i'll swap to def b/c im still unsure how much it's gonna hurt

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but for the most part i still tank trying to pretty much maximize damage

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i tank with boon and whetstone tho lol so maybe im just trolling

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lol

ionic fern
blazing condor
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I can see unbreakable will being played on top keys next week. Especially tjs

ionic fern
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Sure.

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What ever floats their boat.

tulip kelp
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Man my drops are absolutely cursed

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I have like 14 cloaks and chests and 3 puzzleboxes

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But everything else refuses to drop

orchid frigate
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if you miss to loot boe on trash, will it also appear in mailbox or?

rough gate
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no blizzard sells it to cover server fees

orchid frigate
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damn it

dawn falcon
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first boss of AV, whats a good way to position/aim the boss consistently to hit a bunch of sprouts with the cleave?

quaint folio
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Does anyone have any issues with plater not showing you losing threat in mid combat? I was insistent that I wasn't losing threat, but death recap + my own party frame ui confirms that I lost threat but the names didn't change to red. These are my settings, are they set up correctly to change to red when not top of aggro on specific mob?

sullen flame
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Outer ring, aim it at 2 groups while standing on the first one. You don't need to hit 2 groups though unless your party sucks at doing the rings.

mortal brook
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put in mid, aim it through the mid trees at another set

dawn falcon
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gosh im happy to say goodbye to sanguine

sullen flame
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Rogues tend to get greedy on that boss and don't do their job in my experience. It's more up to everyone than you alone as long as you got one grouping.

azure verge
sick current
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So should I craft the 418 bracers with vers embellishment or get armor spikes???

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i cant figure it out

jagged pier
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they are just as bad as each other

sick current
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lol for real?

jagged pier
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it doesnt matter

sick current
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what should i get

mellow minnow
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wich trinkets are the best?

dawn falcon
sick current
dawn falcon
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yeah

deft hazel
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okayge man why tanks always trying to flex on my alt.. some dude pulled a trash pack in tjs didnt interrupt the fear, and was flexxing his io when i questioned him.. 2 interrupts entire dung

ionic fern
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Meanwhile the 3x DPS'ers with 0 interrupts ^

onyx matrix
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HAHAAHAHA

deft hazel
ionic fern
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Just because you are used to interrupting the fear as a tank doesn't mean that every tank is doing that.

jagged pier
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i dont get it if u know its a fear why did u interrupt?

deft hazel
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nah i was busy tanking another pack with fear, and they pulled a completely seperate pack in that courtyard

lyric geode
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The damage profile seems so wrong

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35k dps overall

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36k dps

alpine hare
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Does our 'cheat death' capstone work? ๐Ÿค”
As in if I'm at 31% health and get hit for 35% will it trigger after 1% and give 80% dmg reduction to the rest of the damage? Or do I actually have to drop below 30% for it to trigger?

ionic fern
lyric geode
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I know right?

ionic fern
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And 35k..is like 10k lower than what i do in my worst dungeons.

lyric geode
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:(

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How much ilvl you are?

deft hazel
ionic fern
lyric geode
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394 ilvl I am. I dont know if there should be a huge difference in that regard. Anyway.

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Few things I want to say.

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I spam revenge like crazy as you see

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362 casts

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Also clap like crazy

eager canyon
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Should you ever drop Barbaric Training so you can use Revenge more often to utilize 2 piece set?

ionic fern
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Only in raids to parse.

urban portal
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Doesnโ€™t it make sense for barb to be better in m+

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I feel like the rage economy in raid doesnโ€™t allow barb

eager canyon
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Talking of raid parses - I often get 90-97% parses in M+ but can't even break into the 40s in raids. Am I doing something wrong?

urban portal
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Your rage economy in m+ is just a lot higher

lyric geode
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I dont understand how parses are calculated in m+

ionic fern
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Sure. But i'm also actively tanking 100% of the time.

alpine hare
# lyric geode 362 casts

Always thunder clap, then always shield slam.
Spennt excess rage on ignore pain for cdr from anger management, and if you don't have clap nor slam up, that's when you revenge

lyric geode
alpine hare
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You can't rly check dmg in an 11, stuff dies fast ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

lyric geode
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Also, to shit myself a bit more, I only had 70% shield block uptime

ionic fern
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My bets:
-Wrong ability prioritisation
-Wrong talents
-Pressing buttons too slow
-Wasted rage.

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The usual.

lyric geode
ionic fern
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You need to look at effective block up-time from logs.

eager canyon
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I definitely hit IP too often and cap rage - might just record some pulls and go back and review. Have no idea how to properly analyse logs

ionic fern
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Step 1: Know your class
Step 2: Check your log
Step 3: Profit.

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Or just pick another log of the same fight with similar length and check the differences.

#

Casts/Rage/buffs etc

warm plinth
#

It's not a cheat death really. It's just an oh shit I dropped really low

alpine hare
#

Thought so, fucking worthless in high m+ then xd

ionic fern
#

Damn..it's like we've been saying it forever.

warm plinth
#

Yeah the main point of BSV is so that people who screw up (like people new to the spec) don't just instantly die

#

It's just a crutch talent so you can be saved from incompetence periodically

eager canyon
#

@ionic fern here's a 70% parse on HC Council - anything you can see wrong from this?

ionic fern
#

Cool.

#

Here's a 99 parse on HC council i did on the first kill ages ago.

#

Anything you can see wrong ?

eager canyon
#

Revenge.

#

Because all my rage went onto IP for no reason

warm plinth
#

moar revenge pls

lyric geode
#

Revenge!

eager canyon
#

Next week I get my revenge.

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

i mean theres a lot more than just revenge in there but linking a damage breakdown is fucking useless

ionic fern
#

Here's Mythic council from yesterday.

warm plinth
#

All the revenge

warm plinth
#

heroic throw saving the parse

hushed lintel
#

16 ips? How does that even work

ionic fern
#

You don't press IP.

hushed lintel
#

Im so lost rn

warm plinth
#

you just press revenge hmmNod

eager canyon
#

You must have 4 pc

exotic rapids
#

I need some help please.
are there any tricks with the 3rd boss in TJS?

The Jade Serpent Strike just destroys me regardless of what I do.

I get trucked for 260k+ and that + the dot and the absorb spells doom

I tried using CDs to mitgate the damage but even with multiple CDs stacked I just died...ticked to death.,

I did not charge right back in but the healer was not able to keep up..had this problem now 3 times

Is there anything I can do ?

eager canyon
#

I only have 2 riperoni

ionic fern
#

I don't have 4p

#

I got 2p.

warm plinth
eager canyon
#

teach me the ways

ionic fern
#

What ways?

hushed lintel
ionic fern
#

That's just Council.

#

You just DPS.

warm plinth
#

4p does not mean that

hushed lintel
#

Ppl still said u need to press it a lot

marble cipher
ionic fern
#

You don't NEED IP (outside of burst CD's where you IP to avoid rage overflow)

marble cipher
#

and health pots+stones

ionic fern
#

Especially not on Council.

#

So all your rage goes into Revenges.

#

What's there to teach.

jagged pier
#

having boon and only being 11th

#

smh

ionic fern
#

Bruh.

#

I was r1

#

2*

jagged pier
#

so was i twice

ionic fern
#

With 100k dps

#

And my co-tank died.

#

And i had to use defensives.

exotic rapids
#

thx

jagged pier
#

i had rank 1 with fucking garbo trinkets

#

r13 now

ionic fern
#

N00b.

#

But as you see

#

Boon did an amazing

#

0.67% Dps.

jagged pier
#

i dunno your boon did 5.5k dps compared to my totem which did 1k

#

and u were only 900 dps ahead

#

๐Ÿคท

ionic fern
#

Get

#

Rekt

fallen lichen
#

Is this the pissing contest channel?

ionic fern
#

N00b.

#

No, Jakey is just salty cause he has bad trinkets.

jagged pier
#

yes

#

and?

ionic fern
#

And what?

jagged pier
#

am i not allowed to be?

ionic fern
#

You are, i just answered his question.

#

๐Ÿค”

#

Just linked images above.

#

Was a blast of a fight.
Ignored TC and just spammed Revenge.

jagged pier
#

i mean u should be outbursting TC tbh

ionic fern
#

Yeah, you're correct.
But as i said, i literally ignored TC.

#

Just wanted to see what a full blast Revenge does.

jagged pier
#

sure

ionic fern
#

?

jagged pier
#

2k less dps just spamming revenge

ionic fern
#

I
wanted
To
See
What
a
Full
Blast
Revenge
Does.

#

Like it was a DELIBERATE decision.

jagged pier
#

wtf why does my rend do 2k dps more than yours

#

๐Ÿค”

eager canyon
#

can you see what talents people are running on Warcraft Logs?

jagged pier
#

yes

warm plinth
#

summary page

modern brook
#

Mwahi plays?

flat jackal
#

Is 4pc really that big a survivability gain?

pallid quiver
#

I mean no

It definitely makes everything smoother

jagged pier
pallid quiver
#

But it's not class-defining

jagged pier
#

I dunno u feel it for sure when u first get it

#

or I did

modern brook
pallid quiver
#

It's nothing like prior tier sets have been, recent memory being Outburst in SL or the entirety of BDK in S3/4

#

more specifically BDK

jagged pier
#

thats the point

pallid quiver
#

Ye

jagged pier
#

blizz didnt want that

#

for this tier

pallid quiver
#

It's a strong tier set, but it's not gonna revolutionize the class or suddenly enable content

#

just makes you kick more ass and feel safer while doing so

brave tapir
#

I canโ€™t time +12s because I do not have 4set yet peepoHappyFisher

jagged pier
#

pugs will want u to believe that

pallid quiver
#

hell yeah they will

#

It's definitely not them running from the tank trying to clear their thundering. I just need to press defensives 4head

quaint folio
#

slightly off topic, but does /yell work in instances? I'm trying to make a "don't kick, spell reflection is up" weakaura and wanted to make sure that the yell channel works

pallid quiver
#

well

let's talk about how bosses yell

jagged pier
#

it does

#

pugs will still kick

#

just wait for all the kicks to be gone

brave tapir
jagged pier
#

then spell reflect

pallid quiver
#

tbh I'd prefer them to still kick

#

because then they're actually kicking

#

makes me feel bad that muh damage

#

But at least they care about us clearing ๐Ÿ™‚

jagged pier
#

i keep coming across booomys without a kick because one of the top io guys is not running it because hes group built around him not having it

#

so that fun

pallid quiver
#

note to self to not invite dps doodads

warm plinth
#

don't worry

eager canyon
#

I make people spec into a kick or the key doesn't start

warm plinth
#

in 10.0.5 they won't have a choice but to have a kick

remote dawn
#

why sim today around -10% abputzte yesterday with the same ?

#

about*

oblique garnet
warm plinth
#

yeah they can't even take solar beam rn

#

it's dumb

#

but in 10.0.5 it'll be at the top of their tree

#

basically have to take it to get down the tree

jagged pier
#

i dunno i played with a boomy that does more dps than these druids and they run solarbeam

modern brook
jagged pier
#

๐Ÿคท

ionic fern
modern brook
#

Maybe I'll start playing again now

tulip kelp
#

You guys like speed or sta for boots?

#

I'm a sucker for speed but maybe should go sta

jagged pier
#

the stam is like 2k more hp

#

worthless

modern brook
#

I was typing that

#

Jake has a keyboard this isn't fair

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

โ˜๏ธ

tulip kelp
#

Why do people like Sustained Strength over Waking Stats for chest then?

jagged pier
#

no idea

ionic fern
#

Though, the majority of my game enjoyment comes from being able to play m+ in a group again.

#

When ever i have to PuG cause no one is on i just quit.

jagged pier
#

probably because its purple

#

not blue

modern brook
ionic fern
#

Get one crafted.

#

๐Ÿ‘€

modern brook
#

Oh no I have no excuse anymore this is horrible

tame jasper
blazing condor
#

m+ is all i do

#

did eranog for the first time yesterday but now i dont have to go back

ionic fern
#

Did you get weapon/shield/trinket?

jaunty reef
#

Is there any way to sim best tank items?

#

Like you would for DPS as fury/arms

brittle owl
#

for dps probably yeah

warm plinth
jaunty reef
warm plinth
#

no

jaunty reef
#

For say 2 items of same ilevel, but one has haste + vers other has vers + mastery?

warm plinth
#

Idk where this 20% or 25% number keeps coming from

blazing condor
warm plinth
#

There are no breakpoints for any of our stats

jaunty reef
#

Really? Thought Haste had a sort of diministhing return

warm plinth
#

If you had two items of same ilevel you'd prio haste>crit=vers>mast

warm plinth
#

All secondaries have diminishing returns, but a.) they don't even start until 30% worth of rating, and b.) it's only a 10% DR at that point, which isn't remotely enough to stop going for haste

blazing condor
#

need one more 16+ for a super infusion

#

then i might recraft my wep i already have

timber solar
#

hey what should i use my sparks on lariat and weapons

#

?

warm plinth
#

Just means that instead of 170 rating giving you 1% haste, it would give you .9% haste

jaunty reef
#

Thanks a lot ๐Ÿ˜„

warm plinth
timber solar
#

okey

blazing condor
#

besides the fact i messed up my entire mining talent tree it's actually very nice just flying around and mining okayge

#

who needs therapy when you can hit rocks

brittle owl
#

idk man maybe just me but i guess u cause yknow, you hit rocks like a prison innmate 150 years ago

warm plinth
#

First one was a hardened node where the shards went inside a cliff where I couldn't get them. Second one was a molten node where the fire elemental evade bugged for a full minute before I could kill it

jagged pier
#

u should just overload titan

#

its not worth the others

warm plinth
#

There is zero reason to overload titan

jagged pier
#

gold

#

awakening order

warm plinth
#

You don't get order from overloading titan

jagged pier
#

is like 3k

#

yes u do

warm plinth
#

You get it from the base node, but you don't get more for overloading it

jagged pier
#

u do

warm plinth
#

You don't

jagged pier
#

u get rousing order

warm plinth
#

I've been farming for a week and a half straight

blazing condor
jagged pier
#

your wrong im sorry

#

cause i do it all the time

warm plinth
#

All overloading a titan node does is open a portal to another random node that isn't titan

jagged pier
#

and get it all the time

#

u should really check what pops up in your bags

warm plinth
#

I do...

lavish falcon
#

I have to agree with Ghash. I have only seen portals open

warm plinth
#

I've never gotten extra order from overloading a titan node

high drum
#

u get order anyway

warm plinth
#

I'm even specced into titan nodes

high drum
#

i dont have overload crap and i get order all the time

warm plinth
#

Because I listened to a bad suggestion

spark patrol
#

You do get rousing order when overloading titan nodes

warm plinth
#

Please explain where you get the order from

hidden kindle
#

How does Battle-Scarred Veteran work exactly? If I take damage equal to 100% of my hp when at full health, do I die or does it dynamically reduce the damage that would bring me below 30%?

blazing condor
#

is this "rousing order" in the room with us right now?

spark patrol
#

You get some from overloading as well as mining

warm plinth
#

I would love to see where you're seeing that

warm plinth
#

Because overloading doesn't give you anything on any node. Overloading does something to the node, and you get the extra element from that something. All overloading titan nodes does is open a portal to another node.

#

Which is just a normal node

spark patrol
#

Go and overload titan node

#

And send me a screenshot

warm plinth
#

I've done it many times. I have never gotten extra order from it

#

You're the one claiming you get something for it; you go get the screenshot ๐Ÿ˜‚

spark patrol
#

Itโ€™s a common knowledge

warm plinth
#

Ok

spark patrol
#

That overloading titan

#

Is the best value

#

Youโ€™re the one saying you donโ€™t get anything

remote dawn
#

has anyone made a sim today? my sim is -10% with the same gear

warm plinth
#

That is strange

#

Do you have a sim from yesterday or?

remote dawn
#

yea and the same today

warm plinth
#

Can you link them both?

warm plinth
#

Best guess is the APL does funky shit because it's not designed for dungeon slice. I just added buffs to the bottom sim and it lost damage so

jagged pier
#

before overloading

#

after overloading

#

after mining

#

yer that 8 rousing really is nothing

#

๐Ÿค”

jagged pier
blazing condor
#

damn jakey spare some gold pls

ionic fern
#

Je, Jakey rich af.

#

Wtf.

jagged pier
#

guess where i got that gold from

blazing condor
#

skyhold

jagged pier
#

maybe its because i overload titan touched

blazing condor
#

stormforged salary

ionic fern
#

^

jagged pier
#

i fucking wish

#

literally should be working instead i flew around to find a titan touched node to prove a point

warm plinth
#

Maybe it is because you overloaded it. Congrats, you win.

blazing condor
#

i put 30 points into metallurgy or something okayge

#

cus i didnt read shit

jagged pier
#

as I said u overload it u get stuff u said u dont

#

๐Ÿคท

warm plinth
#

Congrats, you win.

spark patrol
warm plinth
spark patrol
#

You kept arguing about something thatโ€™s not true and you got a proof about being wrong. Stop being so salty about it

warm plinth
#

I said congrats... you win

warm plinth
#

I don't understand what the problem is

#

What would you like me to say?

#

Almighty Neetec and Jakey, I bow down to your superior knowledge and beseech your forgiveness for my mistaken information. Please see it in your hearts to grant me mercy.

#

Is that cool or you wanna keep going on about it lol

blazing condor
#

do mats go directly to reagent bags btw

#

cus i forgot to get me one of those

warm plinth
#

They seem to, yeah

jagged pier
#

yes

blazing condor
#

dope thx

jagged pier
#

horrendous

#

wasted a lot of point

blazing condor
#

ok nvm then

jagged pier
#

but hang on

warm plinth
blazing condor
#

you didnt say hi ily this morning

#

nah you actually did

#

im defeated

warm plinth
ionic fern
#

IDK

#

SEEMS SKETCHY

warm plinth
#

LOL

jagged pier
ionic fern
#

22-25!!!!

warm plinth
#

I'm sorry I missed some days Mwahi

ionic fern
#

The 31st!!!

blazing condor
#

doesn't look that bad tbh Jakey

warm plinth
#

ily x infinity

blazing condor
#

is there a cap on mining knowledge or can you theoretically get as much as you want

warm plinth
#

Uh, I imagine the cap is when you fill out all the trees?

blazing condor
warm plinth
#

But that's gonna take forever with how hard it is to get knowledge

jagged pier
blazing condor
#

pog

warm plinth
#

well not hard, but how long it takes to get

blazing condor
#

i put a buncha points into draconium thinking i did something

ionic fern
#

Oh man

jagged pier
blazing condor
#

bruh just let us reset our trees

jagged pier
#

u can spam dungeons for dragon shards as well

blazing condor
warm plinth
#

ikr

ionic fern
#

I legit did mastering the elements and put a few points into all of them.

#

Cause i had no idea what was going on.

blazing condor
#

literally all i read is "i put points into this cus i didnt know better"

#

from everyone

#

and now everyone wants to reset

warm plinth
#

Ideally you wanna focus on the starter node that gives you the gathering while riding first

#

Because it saves a bunch of time if you farm regularly

ionic fern
#

THERE IS SUCH A THING????????????

warm plinth
#

yeah

blazing condor
#

yes

#

honestly it doesnt save that much time

#

like a second or two each node

#

which ads up eventually sure

jagged pier
#

yer capping normal minig process gives it to u

ionic fern
#

Please Blizzard, give me all my points back.

warm plinth
#

Well, it has the bonus effect of being able to land in a bunch of mobs, snatch up the node rq, then leaving

blazing condor
#

im hostage to my own mistakes sadge

warm plinth
#

For Mining it's the Mining Process main node, and for herbalism it's the Botany node

#

I'm surprised there's no catch-up for knowledge yet tbh. Alts or people just coming back are at a huge disadvantage

jagged pier
#

also please take impending virctory instead of something else

iron spade
#

Hello ๐Ÿ™‚ is the trinket from Nokhud Offensive worth farming for?

ionic fern
#

What trinket drops from there?

jagged pier
#

well as raid has our best trinkets

#

no not worth farming it

#

have heard its good tho

blazing condor
#

It sims high iirc

jagged pier
#

not as high as greiftorch or whetstone tho

obsidian path
ionic fern
#

I did.

#

And i understood nothing.

obsidian path
#

You are now able to gather ore while mounted ๐Ÿ˜„

#

That's all I needed to know ๐Ÿ˜„

blazing condor
#

you cant put that amount of pressure on me

#

expect me to read

#

and understand

jagged pier
#

true

blazing condor
#

it's in my name even

#

i dont know

jagged pier
#

your just a good boi

obsidian path
#

In the end it made me mine much more than usual

noble lynx
obsidian path
#

Because mining from the dragon helps with lazyness of having to re-mount after each node

blazing condor
#

i just wanna make money tbh

jagged pier
#

ez go mine

blazing condor
#

i had 16k to my name a day ago now im up to 40

#

progress boys

noble lynx
#

Big

obsidian path
#

Went form 770k to 993k by selling my bank of ores/engi stuff

#

All of that because of mining from dragon beats lazyness

jagged pier
#

couple of hours mining can be anywhere from 60-200k depending how lucky i am

blazing condor
#

is overloading peak money

jagged pier
#

ye

obsidian path
#

idk I usually overload the first node I get

jagged pier
#

as i said i only overload titan

noble lynx
#

Overloading molten so i can fight the elements

#

Still die to the dot

obsidian path
#

Get second wind

#

for mining ๐Ÿ˜„

#

Dstance + spell reflect helps

lone eagle
#

You can swim to remove the dot

#

You just have to trigger the breath bar appearing

jagged pier
#

overloading molten makes no sense akawened fire is like 100g

#

compared to earth which is a 1k

lone eagle
#

you can also swim in lava to remove it, as long as it triggers the breath bar

jagged pier
#

compared to awakened which is like 2.5k

oblique garnet
#

For enchanting idr what they are called

blazing condor
#

glowing titan orb?

oblique garnet
#

Yes

jagged pier
#

thats an arse farm tho

obsidian path
#

at least nodes don't fight back

#

except molten

blazing condor
#

theyre just a bit spicy

oblique garnet
blazing condor
#

bro why does decoration of flame have the "Vine Boom" sound effect when you use it

#

catches me off guard every time

noble lynx
#

Its good if gathering is good money

#

And proffessions

oblique garnet
#

For now

jagged pier
#

plus i can watch a series while mining

#

and turn off brain

ionic fern
#

I just buy tokens.

jagged pier
blazing condor
#

sadge grown up

jagged pier
#

dont play their game mwahi

ionic fern
#

I'm going through gold so fast tho.

#

๐Ÿ˜‚

#

And i've tried mining(gathering)..i get bored/sick after 15m.

oblique garnet
#

I bought 2 tokens this tier

#

Down bad

jagged pier
#

yer i know I think ive made like 1 mil fro mining and ive probably spent that on consumables and enchcants

jagged pier
#

bought 60 r3 potions yesterday for us to then use a caludron

oblique garnet
#

No time to boost so no income from that deadge

oblique garnet
#

I went down to like 4k gold before buying token pepsihands

jagged pier
obsidian path
#

Mining with the interract button is great too

ionic fern
#

Phials/enchants are just draining money. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

brittle owl
#

mining is mind numbing

#

*tonk * *tonk * *tonk *

jagged pier
#

das why u put your map in the middle of your screen

#

and then put a show on the other screen

#

and brain afk

obsidian path
#

naaah, I usually use farm HUD

blazing condor
#

i just like mining so i dont do anything else okayge

#

nah i actually listen to stuff

obsidian path
#

makes it easier to see if nodes are close or not

brittle owl
obsidian path
#

got a house to pay, don't wanna buy a token

blazing condor
#

my dragon got stuck in a rock and i dc'd now im stuck on loading screen trying to log in again sadgers

noble lynx
#

Just boost some keys and make million + in 1 hour

ionic fern
brittle owl
#

boosting is a disease don't @ me

limpid anchor
jagged pier
#

i dont boost after the changes and stuff

brittle owl
#

source : weeb pfp's do it

placid vale
limpid anchor
#

Itโ€™s just 1 big guild now :)

jagged pier
#

yer

#

exactly

#

gray area

noble lynx
#

Ye that one is just spam connect until it works

jagged pier
#

means i dont do it

noble lynx
#

Dragon dc

cyan agate
#

I'm a bit unsure what to craft, I got a Lariat but my weapon is a 415 Strike Twice and Shield is 408 Crystalized Bulwork

noble lynx
sick sentinel
#

just need to wait for it to reset basically

spark agate
sick sentinel
#

pg?

#

Parental Guardian?

spark agate
#

When i use 1 alt for 1-2 hour then i can login my main is the same thing that was happened to me

broken pendant
#

whats the best 4 tokens for 4 set for prot?

#

seems like everything apart from legs are dogwater

#

and shoulders

lilac jay
#

Depends if u craft helmet. If not u probably skip chest

blazing condor
#

do yall only mine the good nodes

#

or everything

severe steeple
#

depends on how much vigor i have

#

if i have 1 vigor im not going down for a plain serevite

jagged pier
#

only go into caves for rich or higher

median tulip
high drum
#

helm sux

#

FUCK mastery

jagged pier
#

mastery low key actually pretty good

#

no meme

high drum
#

cant trick me

#

only reason to take hat is ilvl

median tulip
#

While Mastery is definitely our weakest secondary, it isn't wise to completely eliminate it; all of the secondaries act multiplicatively with each other for damage purposes

high drum
#

but just get lucky from vault instead

blazing condor
#

mastery is dope

high drum
#

crit gang

median tulip
#

You need to have some Mastery

high drum
#

no u dont

#

u dont need anything

mystic warren
#

with how tanky prot already is is it even worth going for 4set instead of 2set + items that actually have good stats on them. Stats on the tier pieces seem kinda mid

high drum
#

source it was revealed to me in a dream

#

ahem FUCK mastery

#

this message brought to u by haste crit gang

jagged pier
#

oh im haste crit

#

but its more which is our 3rd and 4th best stat

#

not what our best our

high drum
#

i think hat is the worst tier

median tulip
#

Not at my PC right now, but I'm sitting at around 3.5k Haste & Crit, 1k Vers and Mastery

high drum
#

assuming you can get nice legs from vault

#

because leg ilvl is a bit shit

#

unless ur a mystic raid gamer ๐ŸงŽ๐Ÿปโ€โ™€๏ธ

jagged pier
#

had a name in it cba to fix

#

but now u know

blazing condor
#

i saw wokege

jagged pier
#

but its m+

#

not raid

high drum
#

was it a steamer

jagged pier
#

yer me

#

C:

blazing condor
#

pog

high drum
#

๐Ÿ“ธ

median tulip
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Catalyst unlocks mid-January?

jagged pier
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soon tm

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6 weeks after raid release

high drum
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im fiending for some fuckin blizz patchnotes

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gimme a hotfix

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a 2% aura buff to holy priests

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anything blizz please i mdyin

rough egret
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Spark will also change its ratio?

high drum
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of stats? no they're fixed

rough egret
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Like 1/w?

jagged pier
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they become rare drops

rough egret
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Ah

jagged pier
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i believe

high drum
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i'ev heard its like legion legos

long stone
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Yap

median tulip
high drum
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softcapped weekly

long stone
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Rare Drops

high drum
median tulip
quiet zinc
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overall/ m+ embellishments, which ones do u wanna use? ๐Ÿ™‚ if any

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guessing waist maybe?

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and neck ofc

limpid anchor
ionic fern
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Sim yourself.

quiet zinc
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I am, but they're just the "sims" basically

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not feel/ survivability.)

ionic fern
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And that's the correct answer.

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Your survivability comes from proper play.

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Not some 1% embelishments.