protection

[somber sky]

or i mean, do i even equip it for keys? It's C/M and I have a H/V weap rn ;-;

not sure if the damage would be better than the h/v item

[honest vale]

What's the ilvl diff between the two?

[warm plinth]

ilevel is all that matters on a weapon

[somber sky]

h/v is 3 higher

[warm plinth]

Whichever one is higher ilevel, use that

[somber sky]

yeah but it's a raid heroic drop haha. Was wondering if I could just pump this one up to 415 when valor uncaps and just run this instead

[warm plinth]

At best you can probably swap Strike Twice in for single target and the other for aoe, but that's kinda min/maxy

[honest vale]

Unless you chanted the h/v weapon, then keep that because enchants are pricey right now!

[somber sky]

gold is fortunately not an issue for me. got a lot lying around

[warm plinth]

idk, strike twice is overrated imo

[honest vale]

I wish I had that problem. 👀

[warm plinth]

it's a single target weapon

[honest vale]

Mr. Deep Pockets over here.

[somber sky]

[warm plinth]

buy me a few sophic devotion r3s thanks

am too poor

[somber sky]

cant send to eu sry 😔

[steel mauve]

applying for sugar baby status?

[warm plinth]

I'm NA

[somber sky]

guys! stop it 😭

[honest vale]

Besides, you're using a PFP will a gift box, so clearly you're in the giving mood this holiday season.

[warm plinth]

Will send feet pics for gold @somber sky

[somber sky]

issa rat in a box

[honest vale]

I went from a 379 world drop to a 392 Strike Twice, so I was happy.

[warm plinth]

did you just boost the server or something, why is your name impossible to read now

[honest vale]

I hope when Catalyst comes out they remove the Valor cap.

[somber sky]

ye boosting server gives deep red color. Also boosted it for a couple years now

[warm plinth]

So I'm just not observant is what you're saying

[shut flare]

Does the proto dragon on diurna really melt? It really hurts so bad im 398 with 2 pc. Want to know if it really hurts you guys af or am i doing something wrong

[honest vale]

Nah, dragon melts.

[shut flare]

Yes

[somber sky]

yeah you have to pray on the proto packs on that boss

[nimble laurel]

Can the Piercing Shards frontal from AV trash be avoided by the tank?

[shut flare]

Will a 4 pc help with that shiteV

[somber sky]

you have to stun but they always look at you when you try to reposition

stun/move w/e

[nimble laurel]

Stun during the cast?

[somber sky]

yes

[warm plinth]

Stun/fear/whatever

[somber sky]

storm bolt first, shield charge other, shockwave as final option

when all 3 are gone, pray that your group killed at least one of them

[honest vale]

And make sure someone purges the Magic buff they put on themselves. @nimble laurel

It's a 35% dam increase, so on Fortified? Very nasty stuff. Even worse next week with Raging.

[shut flare]

No i meant in diurna. Will a 4 pc help in surviving proto drakes? I have 2 pc now

[honest vale]

What do you feel is melting you on the dragons?

The tantrum?

[shut flare]

The shockwave the casts

Chilling something

[honest vale]

Chilling Tantrum is raid-wide damage. It's really a healer situation.

[somber sky]

oh yeah chilling tantrum is healer external

[last mason]

can you buy last seasons pvp mogs yet for marks of honor

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone know if the blazebinder trinket is decent?

[somber sky]

if you're getting melted, maybe go dstance and pop rflect

[warm plinth]

It's one of the best M+ trinkets

[lusty narwhal]

ooo

[shut flare]

Can you spell reflect that? Nice

[somber sky]

no but it's a 20% dr

[honest vale]

You do it for the 20% magic dr.

[shut flare]

Okay thank you guys

[lusty narwhal]

i have a 402 decoration a 411 spiteful storm and a 402 blazebinder @warm plinth should i go with decoration and blaze

?

[somber sky]

20% magic dr + dstance is about 41-42% protection (corrected in later comment)

and like... maybe take avoidance enchants (but maybe this is a troll take)

[shut flare]

Problem is i cant distance myself cause its always on the first pack then i have to kite it to the next one

[lusty grotto]

DR isnt additive

its less than that

[honest vale]

You can also use Spell Block.

[somber sky]

wait i did my math wrong

~36% protection

[lusty grotto]

its not additive

20% * 15%

.20 * 1.15

[shut flare]

Also what healers is best to come with me on adds of diurna? Holy priest firs tthen resto drood was coming with me but still getting melted. Would pallies be better?

[somber sky]

oh i mistook dstance as 20%

[warm plinth]

I honestly don't know how good spiteful storm is. Never even heard of it until now 😂

[somber sky]

instead of 15

[warm plinth]

dstance was 20, but got nerfed when they did the widespread tank nerf

[lusty narwhal]

@warm plinth i guess ill just sim it

[fading tide]

How does next week compare to this week for m+

[lusty grotto]

it'll be absolute aids in Court that's for sure

[cinder storm]

Might be bad for some keys with tyrannical and pugs

[somber sky]

1 less range affix. Melee nightmare. Need soothe for trash enrages.

[slim dove]

this week is free

next is shit for melee

[somber sky]

CoS will be bad and so will bar room of HoV

[slim dove]

cos will be awful

[warm plinth]

This is one of the best weeks in the rotation, next week is not

[cinder storm]

Does melundras clones spawn storming? Because that's going to be disgusting

[somber sky]

shouldn't

[warm plinth]

They shouldn't

But that doesn't mean they won't

[honest vale]

I doubt it. If they do, it's a bug.

[somber sky]

bossfights don't do storming do they?

[warm plinth]

They absolutely do

[lusty grotto]

they do

[somber sky]

oh melandrus is gonna SUCK

[honest vale]

That room is too tiny for Storming + normal tornadoes + lines + Slicing Winds.

[warm plinth]

The only boss fight that has been remotely changed for storming is that they made it so tornados couldn't spawn during flame wreath on Shade

[somber sky]

storming + boss tornados + invisible lines + giga aoe.

[toxic pewter]

storming sucks ass

[somber sky]

yeah i'm taking a break next week

[warm plinth]

Well, and they made it so the inactive mobs on opera couldn't spawn them

but they should never have spawned them in the first place

[lusty narwhal]

the boss might spawn tornadoes but i dont think clones will separately

[honest vale]

If I were Blizzard, I'd test Storming in there internally and see what happens.

[lusty narwhal]

i dont they clones ware considered enemies

think*

[warm plinth]

They shouldn't be, no

[lusty narwhal]

but the boss prob will

because it doesnt say non vboss enemies

it says enemies

[warm plinth]

If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a tornado

[honest vale]

You can't even target them, so no reason they should spawn them.

But as Ghash said earlier, just because they shouldn't doesn't mean they won't!

[warm plinth]

It's gonna be a shitty fight either way for sure

[honest vale]

Tornadoes during good suck phase on worm boi in Burial Grounds.

[warm plinth]

Even just the boss spawning them is gonna be fucked with all the other junk to dodge on that fight

[warm plinth]

Yeah we had people getting eaten left and right this week due to volcanic knocking them up

[slim dove]

heroic dathea pugs

[honest vale]

Although, I don't think Inhale's damage is that high.

[viral notch]

quick question, does the windfury scales better for prot than maybe a DH?

[slim dove]

its not, but you can sometimes jump up into a bodyslam

which is a 1shot on anything above a 16 pretty much

bricked my first 20 forgetting the pool was gonna despawn, getting inhaled, then panic going back up into a bodyslam

[warm plinth]

I don't thikn Inhale even does any damage does it? It's certainly not significant. You just lose substantial uptime on the boss.

You take more damage from the puddle to avoid inhale than inhale itself, that's for sure.

[honest vale]

It's a little bit of nature damage, but either it's not scaling with key level or it's just intended to be low.

[warm plinth]

I just wanna know what makes him burrow/not burrow. We've had entire fights where he's only gone down once

And then other fights where it feels like he goes down every 5 seconds

[honest vale]

He can't burrow if the other two slots are taken with mini worms, but you're also not safe to step in vomit if they're up, so....

[slim dove]

inhale as per journal does 44k nature

[honest vale]

Overall or per sec?

[slim dove]

just one hit of 44k

[honest vale]

Oh jeez, that's nothing.

[slim dove]

the puddles do 8.8k as per journal

really the only way to die on that fight is bodyslam

[honest vale]

Puddles are like a whopping 30k more overall.

If you stand in them the whole time. I think the move is to move ahead of the vomit, then get pulled into a vomit when the Inhale intensifies.

[slim dove]

well scaling with modifiers you should see inhale do a fair chunk of damage on higher keys

but it def isn't. probably bugged idk

[honest vale]

Has anyone tried blocking Body Slam since it's shadow damage?

[warm plinth]

Even if you could block the damage, it would likely still punt you off

[half laurel]

try to sim but my 395 ruby shell is a +3 dps increase (lol) from my ritual shell even with +17 ilvl on it

[slim dove]

man i love losing rolls in raid

2x war tokens, plate chest, boon

lose all 4 rolls

[warm plinth]

Not surprising, ruby whelp shell is pretty shit

[half laurel]

yeah its bad but when you have nothing else rip

[toxic pewter]

thats rough

need/greed is brutal tbh at least with personal loot we could live in ignorance knowing you just didnt get loot

lol now you wonder what could of been haha

i still do prefer need/greed though

[torn quiver]

Hi all. Im just getting back into retail after a very very long time away. I have tried to search for enchant info and the only thing I could find is for MH its either frozen or wafting devotion. Is that correct? Why not earthen devotion? Thanks in advance.

[toxic pewter]

I use sophic devotion

but I know many like frozen devotion

[honest vale]

Wafting Devotion isn't worth it. I'd take either Sophic for main stat proc or Frozen Devotion for AOE damage.

But you shouldn't be so starved on haste that you need the weapon enchant. You get two haste enchants on rings, stats on chest, leech on everything else. Most of your gear will either be Haste/Vers or Haste/Crit depending if you're going for tankiness or damage or a mix of the two.

[warm plinth]

where is wafting devotion recommended 🤔

[torn quiver]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gems-enchants-consumables

[warm plinth]

Interesting

Should be sophic or frozen

[honest vale]

Just take Plainsrunner on boots if you want a speed enchant.

[toxic pewter]

how much damage does frozen devotion generally do for you guys? considering trying it out

[warm plinth]

Earthen Devotion is utter shit

Armor DRs hard, and we already have a ton of armor

[honest vale]

I can't afford enchants, so I don't have logs for it. XD

[warm plinth]

Even on other tanks, it's garbage

[torn quiver]

Ok thanks. Will prolly go with Sophic...just need to get more gold 😛

[warm plinth]

Dude enchants are so absurd rn 😭

[marsh forge]

Enchants on ur weapon arent making/breaking keys atm, so wouldnt waste ur gold until you have either max ilvl weapon or one you intend to upgrade

[warm plinth]

I bought R2 ones because they were like, 18k or something

Cba to spend 100k on r3

[opal kindle]

Hello, as M+ tank should I go Fury or Prot for the vault ?

[warm plinth]

Prot if you don't have a shield/weapon at high ilevel yet. Otherwise you can go fury.

[honest vale]

Looks like it did 1.2 mil for this prot warrior in a 15 SBG. @toxic pewter

[opal kindle]

thank u very much

[toxic pewter]

ty

[warm plinth]

DONNERKNALL

[honest vale]

"Should I be using Thunder Clap?"
"No, you should be using Donnerknall."

[warm plinth]

Yeah, use that donnerknall

[honest vale]

That's actually a pretty sick-sounding name for a prot warrior, ngl.

[warm plinth]

I was actually thinking that!

And it probably wouldn't be taken on non-EU

[honest vale]

A few of my characters are named after German translations. It just sounds sick. Like, wasp in German is Wespe. It sounds so much cooler!

[warm plinth]

I read sidearm as Zweitwaffle

[honest vale]

LOL

"second waffle"

[neon elk]

Arent all arms side arms tho? Considering they are growing from our sides..

[honest vale]

That's deep, bud.

[slim dove]

join a kurog hc pug, 1 shot it, get all-totem

EZ

[plain turtle]

how powerful an attack does it have?

not bad

[slim dove]

thats only 2 procs also

2/4 procs are buffs

either like 1700? haste or 3k armor

[strong forum]

2.2k haste, 4.4k armor, 15k hps heal, and fire does a dot

[slim dove]

jesus

dope, ty nom

[plain turtle]

is https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker the best bet still for an IG WA?

[strong forum]

Each buff lasts 10 seconds
Air = 12% haste
Earth = 4.4k armor = 200 Str
Frost = 15k hps heal

[warm plinth]

I don't even track IP tbh but that's as good as any

[plain turtle]

i haven't been but as i'm starting to push into 16+ i'm thinking i should since it might melt quicker

[warm plinth]

It won't really affect how you use it though is the thing

Like you'll still mostly use it as a rage dump unless you need to pre-empt a big hit

[plain turtle]

just hoping it will help me see how much is left on it so i know if i urgently need to tap one or not

also i've completely neglected thunderous roar/words

been more partial to shockwave so far. am i missing out on a lot by not taking it?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Thunderous Roar/Words is a lot more damage

And you don't have to use your stun on CD to utilize it

[toxic pewter]

Love my All-Totem, I think its just a strong versatile trinket

[unique shale]

anybody know how you get second and third Spark of Ingenuity on alts ? it seems the quest doesn't show up

[warm plinth]

the icon for the engine covers up the quest icon

It's probably there; you just have to go to the engine and get it

[unique shale]

nah its not there is there any quest or req limit on it ?

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm aware. You just finish the first quest and the second one should appear

[honest vale]

^

It's even available at lvl 60 for alts.

[safe kelp]

between ignore pain and shield block, which one is more important to launch?

[honest vale]

SB

Although, IP is also important.

[safe kelp]

do i need to maintain it all the time?

[honest vale]

SB should be up as close to 100% as possible.

[warm plinth]

It's a rage dump, but by the nature of our rotation, you should have a pretty high uptime on it.

IP that is

Shield Block should effectively be up 100% of the time

[safe kelp]

i do my opening like : charge>cry>ignore pain

[honest vale]

Like you weep after you charge?

Warrior charges in
internal monologue: "I'm so scared right now." cries

I'd swap IP with SB there tbh.

[safe kelp]

ok ty

[warm plinth]

cry?

[honest vale]

But you can also IP there if you're going to Shield Charge with the Champion's Bulwark talent.

[safe kelp]

by cry i mean demo shout

[tulip kelp]

Why fury vs arms? Doesn't fury still include 1handers?

[honest vale]

I also wouldn't Demo Shout before I've laid out my damage CDs like Ravager.

[mellow quartz]

You have no aggro then if you use a gcd after charge on demo

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it doesn't matter really. The goal is to get damage trinkets; either way you're gonna get something useless on the table (whether it's a 1h that you already have or a 2h weapon that you might not even use)

[tulip kelp]

Fury just means you have a lot more potential weapons to occupy that useless spot tho

[honest vale]

I'd do the following Cass:

Charge > TC > SB > SS > Demo > Avatar > Ravager > TC > SC > DR > SS > TC

Then just weave in your spenders (SB, Revenge, and IP) as appropriate.

[warm plinth]

CASS IS THE APPROPRIATE NICKNAME FOR CASTIEL AND I WILL DIE ON THAT HILL.

[honest vale]

Corrected.

[warm plinth]

Sorry, I'm fine now

[tulip kelp]

With Avatar aren't we supposed to TC every second global?

[honest vale]

That's also a more damage-oriented AOE approach. You may need to hold Demo for a more strategic play.

[warm plinth]

Why am I blanking on this, what is DR

[honest vale]

Dragon Roar

[unique shale]

i have 4 tier how much dps increase is it ?

[tulip kelp]

40-50%

[sick sentinel]

?

[unique shale]

really ?

[warm plinth]

4pc doesn't increase damage at all

[tulip kelp]

No lol

[warm plinth]

And 2pc is like 3-4%

[nimble laurel]

what phial are y'all running for m+?

[honest vale]

Sorry, they renamed it. It's been Dragon Roar for more than a decade. xD

[sick sentinel]

more ip = more dps cuz more healing so then u can stand in more fires to do more dps

[warm plinth]

Fire them

[sick sentinel]

5 head

[warm plinth]

glacial fury mwahahahaha

[sick sentinel]

glacial writ

[tulip kelp]

Also, anyone having horrible luck with drops in M+? I did close to 20 drops in COS last week looking for trinket, ring, boots or belt and 0 drops

[sick sentinel]

cuz i only just got the vendor upgrade with the coin in velddrakne 385 hammer just now

aint enchanted it yet

[honest vale]

Yes, because is just too good. @tulip kelp

God forbid we get BFA-level gear from keys.

[warm plinth]

that is an enchant, not a phial sir

[unique shale]

i still living with 385 belt bruh

[sick sentinel]

at what ilvl is it reccomended i start to use real enchants

[warm plinth]

I crafted a belt with spark on my rogue because I couldn't get rid of a 343

[honest vale]

I had 359 wrists, boots, and shield for like a week and a half.

[warm plinth]

when you can afford them 😂

[tulip kelp]

376 here dude.. fml

[sick sentinel]

well, when it makes sense i mean lol

[warm plinth]

But probably not on anything below 400, at least for the pricier shit

[unique shale]

use it on bs items first then use cheap ones on others

[sick sentinel]

my new weapon is 385 so

[warm plinth]

Most enchants are relatively cheap now, but weapon enchants are still ridiculous

[honest vale]

They need to remove the Valor cap, then increase loot frequency. 2 items baseline, then 1 extra piece for how quickly you time the key.

[unique shale]

nah slap cheap one on it

[warm plinth]

2 items is baseline

[honest vale]

Doesn't feel like it, Ghash.

[sick sentinel]

for enchant i'll probably do haste enchant lesser rank 2

[honest vale]

My nearly 1,000 Primal Chaos and no gear would beg to differ!

[warm plinth]

I know, it's bad

they also upped the requirement for bonus pieces yet again

So you don't even get bonus gear until 21

[honest vale]

Meanwhile, an acquaintance of mine is rolling in gear but has little to no Chaos.

It makes pushing keys a nightmare because you don't get loot and it's way too easy to hit the season cap on Valor each week.

[unique shale]

beg loots in raids XD

[crude notch]

are you new to wow?

@honest vale

[honest vale]

Me? No, not even close.

[sleek current]

Anyone else feel the timer in Nokhud and Azure are just insanely strict?

[unique shale]

[honest vale]

BFA had overflowing loot in keys, so much loot you didn't know what to do with yourself.

[unique shale]

on azure yeah but its fine on no

[crude notch]

it also had a shittier vault system and now valor upgrades

it also had... azerite

🙂

[austere berry]

does intervene work on phys and magic dmg? also does it work on dots / bleeds?

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's better in some ways and worse in others

[crude notch]

Do higher keys get more loot

problem solved

[sleek current]

I've ran a couple of Nokhud's now and despite going at what I feel is light speed... I only had 6 minutes left at the last boss, even with the skip. :/

[honest vale]

That sounds like a catch-22. You need to do higher keys to get more loot, but you need more loot to do higher keys.

[crude notch]

Is it really

[honest vale]

Yes, that's a catch-22 by definition.

[sleek current]

Only melee and ranged attacks.

[sick sentinel]

TFW i need to farm out 3500 to make my transmog complete

[warm plinth]

Physical only and generally debuffs are transferred but not always.

[sick sentinel]

[austere berry]

ty

[austere berry]

ty

[crude notch]

Have you never done any progression in this game ever?

[honest vale]

What's that have to do with loot RNG? Whether or not I've progressed in the game in the past doesn't change the loot situation...

But, yes, I have.

They cited that players thought there was too much loot in BFA, so they nerfed it going into Shadowlands.

[urban portal]

does the quantity of loot even matter

[honest vale]

When, in fact, what felt bad in BFA was Titanforging.

[urban portal]

most are just going to be vendor trash

[strong forum]

TF gave you a reason to do keys beyond just score

You always had a chance on an upgrade

[honest vale]

It's a loot-starved situation in the first season - usually gets cleaned up near the end of the expansion

[strong forum]

Nowadays, once you're 405 in every slot

[crude notch]

complaining that you're not max ilvl week 3 seems monkey business

[strong forum]

You don't even open the fucking m+ cache anymore

[honest vale]

I'm not complaining that I'm not max ilvl. That would be silly.

I'm campaigning for better odds at more loot.

[warm plinth]

Hot take: titanforging was awesome

[strong forum]

M+ forging was yes

Open world and raid, not

[honest vale]

@warm plinth Reforging was nice.

[sleek current]

Reforging was nice when you had to worry about Hit Chance. After that was gone... Pointless.

Reforging also just turned into an addon that you had to have. You went to the reforge, you pressed a button and you were done.

[warm plinth]

How is it pointless

[crude notch]

that's very false

so false

holy

[warm plinth]

It makes a not great item into a better item.

What's not to like

[honest vale]

If I could reduce the amount of Mastery on Strike Twice to give me a bit of Crit or Vers, I'd love that.

[warm plinth]

I can get behind that. It was pretty stupid to have to do withered Jim every time to pray for a forged arcanocrystal

Or spam relinquished trinkets

[honest vale]

I just felt like I was never done with keys with TF. I did a +2 once and looted a fully-rolled pair of pants, as if I had done a 15.

That's disgustingly lucky, but also just disgusting.

[warm plinth]

As opposed to just feeling done with keys because it feels like you never get an upgrade though

[honest vale]

I understand why the system was in place, but it just had you grinding more often in hopes of looting the same piece but at a higher ilvl.

I like feeling like there's an end goal. Once I accomplish it on Toon A, I can move on to Toon B.

I think bad luck protection should be on keys, and maybe it is and they just never told us. But if you go 3+ keys without loot, maybe you get a 15% increased chance at loot (and this doesn't affect the two baseline items that drop). Bad luck protection shouldn't otherwise affect other players in the party. That would be a terrible design.

[crude notch]

are you only pugging?

[honest vale]

Yeah. Premades aren't in the cards right now.

[runic cosmos]

hello! for the tier pieces are there certain pieces we want for 4 piece?

or if im going for 2 piece, which pieces should i go for?

[honest vale]

I don't think any of the 5 tier slots are necessarily reserved for tier. If you happen upon a tier shoulder and it's higher ilvl, take it. If it's lower, and it wouldn't otherwise build a tier bonus, then maybe hold until you get another piece.

[crude notch]

that's the largest part of your problem right there. Stop reducing your chances at loot intentionally.

[honest vale]

That's an assumption? You're assuming that I'm inting my chances at loot intentionally? Not that necessarily running with a premade does anything at your internal % chance at loot anyway.

Unless you armor stack and those people in your party don't need the loot themselves.

[sleek current]

Shoulders, Legs, Chest and Hands. I mean... Head can work but, the stats look rubbish. I'd prefer to put something else there. Ultimately, it doesn't matter really. 4PC is what's important, so if you have head just use it.

[sick sentinel]

chain soloing world raid bosses for anima for a better matching back piece transmog in SL

[cinder storm]

I miss titanforging, was removed because "raiders only" deemed m+ unnecessary and were jealous because they had to raid instead

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, idc that it's gone necessarily because it existing just caused outrage among certain groups. But I miss it

[cinder storm]

I don't raid, BFA was the first xpac that I played fully and I felt really nice and rewarding being as geared as raiders

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't raid either

[cinder storm]

Would be interesting if they add something like pvp gear but for m+ only

[warm plinth]

My team was just talking about that

[wide charm]

Is my group correct when they tell me 40k overall in TJS 20 is kinda low ? (2p/403 ilvl)

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's a bit low

[cinder storm]

Yeah, could be doing about 43k-46k

[warm plinth]

It's not like...detrimentally low though I wouldn't think

[cinder storm]

I do about 40-43k depending on dungeons at 397

[brisk gust]

Lads is it worth spending valor on the trinket? https://gyazo.com/ff3c985500fa0699d8ced9239c70c0d8

[mellow quartz]

Overall has a lot to do with gear and trinkets and pull sizes etc etc

[wide charm]

at what level ?

[cinder storm]

But if you are not dying and you guys are timing the key, who cares

[warm plinth]

No chance I'd spend 2k valor to upgrade a trinket this early in the season unless I was decked out with weapon/shield already

[wide charm]

cause i am playing a lot in Dstance cause i'm scared of hald the adds in TJS

[brisk gust]

@warm plinth Got 418 both

[cinder storm]

16s-19s, been out of the house for a few days so I couldn't ty pushing any more

[mellow quartz]

Like first pull if you go left are you trying to hard pad on the small adds or do single target dps to the big water elemental? Padding means nothing to speed up the dungeon and only ST matters there.

Overall is a meaningless number

[warm plinth]

Then sure, knock yourself out

[cinder storm]

There's not really much argument to stay in dstance until after second boss

[warm plinth]

On high keys it's more than just ST that matters there. Those small adds spam an aoe damage spell on the group and it starts to hurt as you get up to higher shit

The faster they die the better, especially with tide ripple happening as well

[mellow quartz]

No one dies to the small adds damage only if they get hit by the debuff by not los’ing

Not focusing the water elemental is trolling.

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying you shouldn't focus water ele but it's not like prot war rotation really changes between ST and aoe

So it's not padding

[mellow quartz]

Same thing with overall numbers in AA. Say you pull those small snakes and the big guy. Are you just spamming tc and revenge? Or are you spamming SS on the big guy?

[warm plinth]

Also on 16 fortified, splash was 30.4k DTPS on my group

[cinder storm]

All my pugs. First pack I charge the caster, run to the elemental, by the time is walking up with me (less than 2s) one of the dps is already popping CC's on the caster and getting aggroed

[warm plinth]

Which is the spammed aoe from the small adds

[mellow quartz]

Killing all the small guys with the big guy still at 40% does nothing and just lowers dps

[dire matrix]

yeah the splash kinda fucks at 20+

[warm plinth]

It prevents you from you know, dying

[dire matrix]

but its not like

outhealable

you can cleave them

[sleek current]

Everything needs to die regardless. The less mobs to deal with the better.

[mellow quartz]

Done it on 20’s and it wasn’t an issue at all 🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

No, but he's acting like doing damage to them as a warrior when you already do passive aoe damage is some kind of sin

Weird af take

[cinder storm]

Healers problem

[dire matrix]

thou shalt not cleave as part of ur rot

[warm plinth]

No cleave. Stop pressing TC and Revenge

[dire matrix]

though shall face revenge away from small adds

and clap max range!

[mellow quartz]

I am trying to say that ST damage is more important than going out of your way to pad overall by spamming tc and revenge for example.

[warm plinth]

No ravager either you filthy padder

You literally spam TC and revenge anyway

WWtf else do you press

[cinder storm]

Might as well use devastate

[mellow quartz]

Based on people saying you should have X overall in a dungeon

[sleek current]

But... You can spam tc and revenge and still spam shield slam?

[dire matrix]

i mean u have to revenge for tier

• tc buff

• ss isnt 1s cd

[warm plinth]

You press SS as prio in AoE anyway so like

what are you pressing when that's on CD lol

[dire matrix]

IP

[mellow quartz]

Depends on the aoe size

[dire matrix]

only IP

[warm plinth]

IP SPAM

[dire matrix]

idk how much u should press ip ngl

[mellow quartz]

Enough you won’t die and cap

[dire matrix]

warrior is my least exp tank

[cinder storm]

Well, consider you have one add about to die in a pack and you have VO, you still SS lower HP add and start stutter stepping them before sanguine drops

[tropic tangle]

is the play switching to BRV now that it's fixed?

[sleek current]

To prevent rage cap, if it's going to drop off or if you have a low shield. shrug

[dire matrix]

got 392 shield rn

only hit 70 yday

was gonna wait for vault for craft wep/shield

see if i luck out

[sleek current]

I spent all of season 3, farming a shield. I ran ToP 60 times... It still didn't drop for me, it dropped for a mate, who thankfully gave it to me.

Dark days those were

[dire matrix]

cos time

surely ring

or trinket

[cinder storm]

You never get those items you want when you farm them, has to be coded

[oblique garnet]

Top shield?

[mellow quartz]

Do you mean brutal vitality? It’s fixed?

[warm plinth]

Oh it's Late

[warm plinth]

It's not fixed

But you should probably still play it

Assuming you mean Brutal Vitality and you didn't typo BSV

[mellow quartz]

The harder the content the less the bug matters as IP gets consumed

[tropic tangle]

Oh, thought I read in here earlier this week it was. Yeah, meant Brutal Vitality.

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's very inconsistent. It works on target dummies apparently but not in keys

or arid

raid

[cinder storm]

How do you guys drop peril in tsj? After 35 stacks it really becomes annoying specially when melees refuse to stand with you

[sleek current]

What is tsj?

[cinder storm]

The jade temple

My phone changed every other word

[unique shale]

My 19 jade got rip because of this XD

[sleek current]

I've been running spell block in Jade Temple. I'm not even aware of a peril that stacks.

[cinder storm]

Is it safe to just outrange bosses? I think strife only does casts of you move away

[sleek current]

To be honest... Safest way to do them is to actually cause them to go immune. Agony does not damage if they're immune for some reason. Though... I don't know if that's on purpose or a bug.

[unique shale]

I saw prot war steamering a dung and he having sees red buff big in middle of screen why ?

[sleek current]

WeakAura

Oh

You mean... I guess, he wants to use his outbursts correctly. 😂

[cinder storm]

To track VO

[unique shale]

[sleek current]

I got an 86 parse on Erranog... But... I used 14 outbursts on thunderclap. 😂

I could do with a fat giant seeing red in the middle of my screen

[visual musk]

what loot spec do you guys roll for vault. is it worth switching off prot?

[unique shale]

It depends

[sleek current]

Once you get the shield that dungeon is basically dead, I run Fury for chance at 2H.

[mellow quartz]

Not having any issues just swapping in 6 stacks.

[unique shale]

Is it normal suddenly my whole rotation stop due to cooldowns ?!

[oblique garnet]

You should go arms eliminates one handers from the loot table

[cinder storm]

I remember a streamer saying first week of xpac "I hope warrior is not meta, my hands hurt"

[sleek current]

❤️

[oblique garnet]

Assuming you only want 2hs at this point

[warm plinth]

What does that mean?

[visual musk]

i dont even want 2hs lol

[cinder storm]

I mean the dot that stacks on you

[unique shale]

I have no rage and clap and ss is on cooldown

[mellow quartz]

Should go away

[unique shale]

No proc

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming you mean feeling of superiority

[cinder storm]

Yes

[warm plinth]

You need to just move to someone and wait for it to pass to them

[jaunty sierra]

yo, quick question, a random war prot told me that "Ruby whelp shell" is a good trinket, may I have your throughs ?

[dire matrix]

bad

[warm plinth]

It's a shit trinket

[jaunty sierra]

yeah

xD

[sleek current]

What happened to it being BiS? 😂

[warm plinth]

It was assumed you could somehow control which procs you get

But you can't

[jaunty sierra]

but he kept telling me it was good

[warm plinth]

It's just a random one of 6 procs, which I think only 2 do damage?

[dire matrix]

after 7 days u get dmg everyttime

[warm plinth]

well 1 does damage and one gives stats or something

[mellow quartz]

Was listed as a good trinket in the wowhead guide

[dire matrix]

or stats

[unique shale]

Tell him to read guides again

[mellow quartz]

Probably why

[jaunty sierra]

yeah ok it sucks xD

[cinder storm]

That's my question, melees don't stack on me for the most part, if I let's say move away to the healer, would a melee get clapped if they swap?

[jaunty sierra]

I told him the trinket sucked, but he just ignore

[mellow quartz]

Why not move to the melee instead of the healer?

[warm plinth]

There are no melees on that fight. Just the aoe pulse and the dot

[dire matrix]

thats ok

[unique shale]

Bring him here we will talk to him

[cinder storm]

Gotcha

[hidden elk]

yo guys someone has a macro to cast Ravager or Heroic leap on cursor please?

[warm plinth]

Have you actually confirmed that? Because I read that someone did that on wowhead and it had no effect on the proc.

[sleek current]

/cast [mod] Ravager
/cast [nomod, @player]Ravager

[dire matrix]

dh discord has afaik

[warm plinth]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor]Heroic Leap

Just replace Heroic Leap with Ravager

[sleek current]

Oh, on cursor. 😂 Man I'm tired.

[hidden elk]

thanks a lot

[hidden elk]

i just tried yours but didnt work

[dire matrix]

i havent seen concrete proof tho

[pastel sleet]

how do i do the flameheart mechanic better. it always seems to spawn on me and i dont move fast enough. is there a trick?

[crystal current]

Hey dude, what is better beetwen box(392) of secret and cards of darkmoon (372)

[dire matrix]

sim it

[unique shale]

Is there any macro to use shield charge first then normal charge ?

[dire matrix]

also box suckls to use

[sleek current]

Mine will drop ravager on top of you instead of at cursor.

[warm plinth]

No

[unique shale]

Sadage more bottoms to press

[warm plinth]

It would just press both of them at the same time

[dire matrix]

war too many buttons

[mellow quartz]

Can’t cast both though

[warm plinth]

MMO mouse stonks

[dire matrix]

:pepel

[warm plinth]

You can cast both

[mellow quartz]

SC can’t be cast while you are mid charge

[cinder storm]

It takes a second to cast SC once you charge in

[sleek current]

I just tested it.

You can macro them together and it will consume SC and Charge.

[warm plinth]

With Shield Charge first I assume?

[mellow quartz]

Do you get double rage?

[sleek current]

Yeah

One moment

[warm plinth]

Well there's no restriction on charge being cast during Shield Charge afaik. Just the other way around.

[sleek current]

I come out with 74 rage

[mellow quartz]

Cause the other button used to grey out and be unusable during charge

[warm plinth]

If you put Shield Charge first, you're technically charging mid shield charge, not the other way around

So maybe they forgot to block it the other way

[sleek current]

I'll swap 'em see what happens

Yeah, doesn't work the other way

[warm plinth]

In either case, re: the original question, you would not want to macro them together anyway

[unique shale]

I want to tho

[sleek current]

It's a fat stack of rage to start with though. 😄

I prefer them on 3 and 4. Comfortable buttons to press

[unique shale]

What is macro ?

[mellow quartz]

Just 2 cast lines lol

[sleek current]

It's too much power mate.

[unique shale]

Lol

[sleek current]

Get out while you still can. 😂

[cinder storm]

We should just agree to buy pedals and keybind them

[dire matrix]

warrior just has more cds than dh

not really too many buttons

[warm plinth]

Just get an MMO mouse man

[dire matrix]

i do not lack for keybinds

[sleek current]

Aye ^

[tender cove]

How do i pull 4 without pulling the unmarked pack in the building? In CoS

[warm plinth]

It's lifechanging

[dire matrix]

this game is not keybind intense

dont walk near the noor

[warm plinth]

You want to avoid both? Shroud? Invis?

[dire matrix]

likterally

[warm plinth]

Oh

[dire matrix]

dont walk to the door

[warm plinth]

Yeah just pull it from range

[tender cove]

bit tired so my english sucked

[dire matrix]

also tehyre free %

[cinder storm]

Mind soothe

[warm plinth]

You pull the mana wyrm pack over where the construct was

[mellow quartz]

Just dont run close to the door

[tender cove]

hmm, it always seems to pull even with just taunt if i stand where the scout guy is

[warm plinth]

And then as long as you're about 10-15 yards from the door, you won't pull the shit inside

[sleek current]

Avoid as many packs as you can at the start of the dungeon because, without a doubt you're going to overcap on count in second half of the dungeon. 😂

[dire matrix]

disagree

[cinder storm]

People always pull them so it's like whatever for me at that point

[dire matrix]

pulled extra just in early

still was only 104%

[mellow quartz]

Not really

[warm plinth]

I disagree with that too. Generally we're either right at count or a bit short when we're done with minibosses

[dire matrix]

u can avoid a lot

[warm plinth]

We pull harbor too

[mellow quartz]

Same

[dire matrix]

are u doing 1 mob at a time

😂

[tender cove]

the pugs i'm with seem to always pull that entire area and you cant really avoid stuff at the end.

[dire matrix]

in the 2nd area

u can avoidtons

[warm plinth]

Just don't go right at the start

[dire matrix]

u just need to use ur eyes

[mellow quartz]

First pull do the construct on the bridge with the 2 packs on the tower. Then all of docks after.

[sleek current]

Yeah... They body pull everything

[cinder storm]

I don't pull harbor but I pull bridge pack on second boss area

[warm plinth]

You can skip that pack and the boss patrol by going either along the right past the boss or behind the boss (where you normally fight it)

depending where the patrol is

[dire matrix]

ive never killed the patrol in 1st boss room

ever

unlesss u mean 2nd

[warm plinth]

No I am talking about 2nd boss room

[dire matrix]

also skip that

just pull a pack with 3rd minboss

[warm plinth]

Yeah you never pull patrol in 1st boss

[dire matrix]

or 1st with bl

[sleek current]

It's the guards, I'm sure they're counting as %.

[warm plinth]

Guards?

[dire matrix]

what guards

[sleek current]

The ones that come to check you out after you kill an enforcer

[dire matrix]

no

[warm plinth]

They don't give %

[dire matrix]

enforcers are 6% or smth

minibosses are 0

[mellow quartz]

The enforcers give count

[sleek current]

5.26%

[mellow quartz]

Not the mini bosses

[warm plinth]

The enforcers give count, the minibosses don't

[dire matrix]

cos is kinda just pull mobs u need for %

in 2nd area

[sick sentinel]

shit, i have to have participated in the NF play as a NF to be able to purchase my transmog item

[dire matrix]

that unlock buffs

[cinder storm]

On a run I was 100% sure we got the three pillars yet the boss summoned two adds

[dire matrix]

its not a hugely difficult

[warm plinth]

There are 5 pillars @cinder storm

[slim dove]

im always under 10-15% in court if i dont pull harbor mobs

[warm plinth]

2 before first boss room, 3 in the first boss room

[mellow quartz]

Did you do the pillars at the start area? There are 5 in total

[dire matrix]

never done harbopr in my life

timed +21 on my vdh

idk

[warm plinth]

Harbor is just super free trash is all

You don't have to do it; it's just easy

[cinder storm]

Ah, that explains it them, might've missed those two

[dire matrix]

probs will at some point

[mellow quartz]

Harbor is just frontals and 1 mob with a kick

[warm plinth]

You can get all the ones in the first boss room without pulling anything; just have to be patient for patrols

[dire matrix]

yeah i could do harbor

and skip 1st pillar

i just never tried

[mellow quartz]

Super easy

[tender cove]

So what do you guys pull? Got so much info on so many different packs I sorta got lost lol.
Thats the dratnos route i've been doing but in every single pug I do, the arrow packs always get pulled so I wanna incorporate them but not sure what else I can remove later on?

[warm plinth]

We do both tbh; we just talk to a wrong spy at the end instead of skipping a pillar

[vocal bridge]

Hey, can you dodge/block/parry while using a channeled trinket such as Manic Grieftorch (Diurna's trinket)

[dire matrix]

ye

i do spy normally

unless it specifically states you can block/parry

i would assume no

[warm plinth]

what you pull in 2nd boss area is purely dependent on how many enforcers you use and where buffs are if you go for them

[warm plinth]

No, you can't

[vocal bridge]

ty

[dire matrix]

feel likle doiung pat + pillar your gonna end up like 62%+ at end of 1st boss area

[warm plinth]

Use Shockwave or a CD before using it

[dire matrix]

which you can go overcount easily in 2nd

[tender cove]

yeh, i havent figured that out exactly, today someone had an addon telling everyone and it was easier but usually people just yell at me "stupid tank, cant you see what I just did"

[warm plinth]

We normally end up either right at count or slightly over

But we also have a very diverse group in terms of buffa ctivation

So we can activate like bazaar goods or the trap if we need to

To save count

[hardy fractal]

if i get a 90 with no lariat will a lariat bump me into orange

[warm plinth]

In fact I think our group can activate all the miniboss items

[tender cove]

obvs it varies but i'm almost always 6-10% over

and that just feels bad

[cinder storm]

I'm never over %

[warm plinth]

Our healer is an hpal who is blacksmith/JC so she can do trap and statue, and then she can also do the citizen as a healer, and I can do bazaar goods as a rogue

[cinder storm]

Once I was under .25%

[unique shale]

Do you guys know that demon girl in cort of star ? The wip can be SR and does around 200-300k damge

[dire matrix]

with no harbor im either on % or slightly over

[warm plinth]

that's pretty common for us, to be 1 count short

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it hurts XD SR good

[tender cove]

what does that mean?

[dire matrix]

i have 0 mettle

[tender cove]

the no harbor part

[dire matrix]

artisans

how do i even get it

not killing the mobs in the harbor

[warm plinth]

If you go left at the start (where the first beacon is) there's a couple packs down there that are easy count

[warm plinth]

It's from gaining profession knowledge mostly I believe

[hardy fractal]

theres a sr weak aura in the pins

[visual prairie]

What kind of overall do you guys expect in 15s from dps? I try to invite people around 390-395 and people either do 60-70k overall or I get people doing like 45-50k which is noticably slowing the dungeon down. idk if thats the average or if the 60-70k is a rarity

[warm plinth]

45-50k should be fine for most dungeons on 15-16 tbf

Might be tricky on like, AV which already has a tight timer

[dire matrix]

think we +2d cos 14 just

im new to warrior dont flame my dps

[visual prairie]

yeah AV and NO I'm struggling with some of the dps lol. Timed 16/17s for most but these 2 at 15 this week after a few tries

I'm sure I can pull better but was curious

[tender cove]

You mean the one with warning dude running around? Do you mean right?

[dire matrix]

i just posted the screenshot

of where

its 1000% left

its the mobs at the bottom

pack of 4 + 3 +1

[tender cove]

i didnt see it, was looking at my own mdi trying to figure it out 😄

[dire matrix]

next to the water

[sleek current]

Number 15. Blue

[tender cove]

ty bro, i was starting to feel dumb xD

[dire matrix]

is thee not a quest that gives mettle

[tender cove]

do mind giving me the string for your route? So i can see it complete

[dire matrix]

i really cba levelling smth for fking recrafts

zzzzzz

that route is cursed

[sleek current]

I don't kill them but, I can share my route with you.

[dire matrix]

pull 16 is never done#

[tender cove]

several

[dire matrix]

has to be a misclick

[tender cove]

one for each proffesion quest and 1x that gives 80 mettle

[dire matrix]

is that getting to 25

or 50

[mellow quartz]

how I pull it

[sleek current]

I used to pull 16, then stopped because, I was always overcount.

[tender cove]

I think its 25 yeh and this artisan dude comes and offers you next to the alchemy lab

[warm plinth]

No I mean left

[dire matrix]

16 is so bad

[tender cove]

in that little park

[warm plinth]

You go left by the bridge with the construct on it and down the stairs

And there are 2 packs down there

[dire matrix]

also saying cos routes is kind of a meme

[cinder storm]

That's what I usually do

[dire matrix]

considering its location rng + buff rng

[tender cove]

yeh, was me who didnt understand but they explained it. I'm just tired and stupid today 😦

[dire matrix]

u can only decide till 1st boss

[warm plinth]

all good lol

[dire matrix]

need some alch for extended flasks anywway

[warm plinth]

We don't really go out of our way to get buffs

The most impactful ones generally don't require it anyway

[dire matrix]

crit is 2 mobs

book is 3

[tender cove]

Can I plz ask your string? So i can import and be lazy plz 😄

[warm plinth]

Maybe book on higher keys if it's up but 🤷

[dire matrix]

last boss high tryranical hurts like a bitch

[warm plinth]

Well generally you have to kill the book pack anyway if there's an enforcer there

[mellow quartz]

its not the number of mobs but the extra pull and time cost

[dire matrix]

and getting 10 crit is no koke

well u can factor in taking count for buffs

by not over pulling

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying it's not good, but there are a lot of patrols in 2nd boss area that are hard to avoid to be able to kill the static packs with the items next to them

[dire matrix]

its not like im getting 120% count

[warm plinth]

Especially if you're going for orb and don't want the bridge pack

[dire matrix]

im normally at 100%

[unique shale]

With 415 shield and defensive stand i dont feel anything anymore 😄

[warm plinth]

Because pugs will pull that shit 99 times out of 100

[fast knot]

Am I an actual donut or in Legion were the engineering orb and blacksmithing trap connected

[mellow quartz]

most of the buff packs you just pull with the enforcers anyway

[warm plinth]

They were not

[tender cove]

I took alchemy for the buff duration and making own phials, didnt even know about the food protection which has been great and enchanting to make those sweet sweet 4k crystals on reset day

[warm plinth]

But it is kinda weird that I almost never see the engineering orb now that it was nerfed to hell

[dire matrix]

its not about tank dmg on last boss

its about ur group

[fast knot]

I was always convinced they were

[mellow quartz]

not even worth getting now

[cinder storm]

Your groups pc*

[warm plinth]

I know, but I always check anyway out of habit

[tender cove]

Ghash, can i beg your mdi export string for cos?

[warm plinth]

I usually go sap that sentry anyway just so no one pulls it by accident

I don't use an MDI string for CoS

[tender cove]

I just want something with that route that I see, ohh, he did that, ok and I learn

[warm plinth]

Or any dungeon really. I just memorize it lol

[tender cove]

for real?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[tender cove]

you a savant or smt?

[warm plinth]

No, most dungeons are largely linear, even the ones that don't appear so

[tender cove]

I can't remember what I had for breakfast...today... xD

[dire matrix]

its good for planning

[warm plinth]

Like Nokhud is even linear to a point; like you have to kill certain packs in every area

[dire matrix]

but remembering isnt hard

NO i ssuper linear

[tender cove]

but making routes based on %

you cant have all the mobs in your head or?

ands their %

[warm plinth]

You don't need to have all of the mobs in your head

[dire matrix]

basically

[warm plinth]

You just need to know what to pull

[sleek current]

I only remember the amount of count the last two packs will give me.

[mellow quartz]

run enough keys you know what you wanna pull

[dire matrix]

for hov 4 mobs in hall = 4 wolves = 5 bears

stuff like that

[warm plinth]

Like you don't really need to know that x pack is worth y count

[fast knot]

I think Court is the only dungeon with my guild I get confused and have to reference MDT

[warm plinth]

You just need to know to pull that pack

[dire matrix]

if u pull an extra pack

u can fix

[fast knot]

then again we asspull like 2-3 packs

[sleek current]

In Court of Stars. I remember that the spy will give me 6% so, I make sure to have 94% before killing second boss.

[fast knot]

because of derps

[tender cove]

Yes, thats what started the discussion. I used dratnos, wasn't happy with it because I pug. wanted to change 2 pulls but was unsure what. So i asked here

[warm plinth]

People just overthink CoS. Like if people buttpull a lot you're gonna be over count anyway

[cinder storm]

It's not 94, its 93.75 or 93.65

[tender cove]

it looks like my idea was also suboptimal

and most seem to run smt different

[warm plinth]

Dratnos routes are generally pretty trash, though I have not looked at the ones he's made for this expansion.

[tender cove]

and i just want the full waterway tactic

or w/e we call it

[unique shale]

Tbh most of dung you dont need route if you have general idea what to pull and reast depends on how much your group can handle

[sleek current]

Fuck, if I'm taking the chance. I'd rather be 2% over. 😂 I'm not coming back after we kill the spy.

[silk cliff]

only dungeon where routing is key is RLP tbh

[dire matrix]

rlp is linear

[tender cove]

I legit study mdt for every dungeon run I do until I know in my head what I need to pull

[cinder storm]

AA is the only exception where you can play with %

[silk cliff]

rest is just press W

[dire matrix]

aa is practically linear

[tender cove]

but that means I need to have the tool so i can study

[dire matrix]

unless u shroud

and play extra at last boss

[mellow quartz]

RLP is like 120% count if you pull everything holding W

[sleek current]

You can't route shit in RLP. You either get everything in the dungeon or you some how avoid a couple of packs. 😂

[dire matrix]

u can skip a few in 1st area

thats it

[silk cliff]

u can avoid 1 drake

[warm plinth]

Flamegullet is big avoid

[silk cliff]

first area big guy

[tender cove]

Got one for me? Been putting off doing a ruby +16 for 2 days now

[cinder storm]

Well, you avoid fire dragon and one of the pats

[tender cove]

and just need to get off my arse and bite the bullet

[silk cliff]

get a rogue, shroud miniboss before boss

[dire matrix]

tav can be routed with a shroud

[mellow quartz]

not talking abt what you can skip but to the people saying rhey dont check route nad just kill all in a straight line

[cinder storm]

That's all I need to remember

[dire matrix]

u cant skip thje huge guy right

but u can wall skip the earth guy

with a cage/incap

[mellow quartz]

you can skip whatever you want

[silk cliff]

u can with shroud afaik

[dire matrix]

or just pull thje caster

not if he literally has true sight

[mellow quartz]

just saying holding W is not great in some dungeons without having some idea abt the % you need

I never pull the first big guy in RLP for example if I have a rogue

[silk cliff]

SBG is the best hold W dungeon

[dire matrix]

oh u mean elemental

[mellow quartz]

always skip flame dragon etc

[dire matrix]

not the massive auto smash guy

b4 1st boss

cuz he has true sight

so saying b4 first boss is confusing

as that makes u think literally b4 first bos

[mellow quartz]

mean the rock guy at start

[silk cliff]

i swear that massive earth guy has some auto aim system for retards in sub 15 keys

[dire matrix]

skip rock guy in the room also

[sleek current]

If you hold W in my SBG and pull that damn Void Spawn, I'll break your little toe. 😂

[dire matrix]

youd need to pull extra doing both

[fallow osprey]

😂

[mellow quartz]

not really, just need 4 whelps

and still skip flame dragon

[tender cove]

do happen to have ruby route for me that is not 120%?
I really wanna time it and just try and rush my way up to an untimed 20 this week

[silk cliff]

got stuck in RIO hell cus i didnt do tyrann week, had to pug my own key up and depleted RLP 3 times

[tender cove]

would give me the conficen boost i need

[dire matrix]

i mean

4 whelps is literally extra

so yes

[mellow quartz]

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[sleek current]

I've sent you one, mate. I get it but, ultimately you have very little choice there.

[cinder storm]

You can hold w, avoid right pat pack when coming to ring and fire dragon, you'll be fine for the most part

[silk cliff]

RLP is seriously the only dungeon where if u can get ppl u know and get on voice with

[fallow osprey]

The first pull in RLP can be a doozy, especially if you’re in the water where ground targeted dmg is hard to see

[silk cliff]

the dungeon is so trivial if done right

[cinder storm]

No pug dps ever uses living bomb on adds, they just don't exist

[mellow quartz]

🤷‍♂️ timed it on 20 with randoms from LFG

[dire matrix]

also timed +20 fort rlp in pug

on dh

[sleek current]

I have friends... That I actively avoid doing RLP with because... It devolved into. Why the fuck are you padding on the fucking whelps man?! BREATH, for fuck sake the breath!

[warm plinth]

I had a pug yesterday where they didn't use living bomb on adds except when it was just the fire guy left (who doesn't take damage from it 😂)

[mellow quartz]

every time on first boss I always tell people to tunnel boss and ignore whelps

half the time they do it

[warm plinth]

Oh that's the uh

[mellow quartz]

half the time they dont

[sleek current]

Nah, my mate is an expert padder.

[warm plinth]

the one where you have to break the shield to stop the pulse?

[mellow quartz]

yes

[sleek current]

Boss? What boss? Many whelps. Left side.

[mellow quartz]

whelps are irrelivant

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah. I hate that shit

[mellow quartz]

the aoe is from the boss channeling

[tender cove]

thanks bro, that noice and also seeing we do lower plateform super different.

[mellow quartz]

you can have a hunter with bow silence one

[tender cove]

I just have another question before the lower

[warm plinth]

The other really tilting thing is when pugs hard focus the humanoid on last boss of RLP

[tender cove]

the dragon, in mdi, it doesn't actually land there if you go left first

[warm plinth]

It's like guys wtf, the dragon is the one doing all the damn mechanics

[tender cove]

does it?

[mellow quartz]

the flame dragon location in MDT is wrong

[tender cove]

so you kill first dragon, go back right, clear till you see him and mount back?

[sleek current]

Pure... Agony

[mellow quartz]

you just wait for it to leave and run past

literally a 5-10s wait after you are done with the pack before it usually

[warm plinth]

If you stay on the outside of the ring, even if he lands, you shouldn't pull him

[mellow quartz]

and healer always wants mana anyway

[tender cove]

Do you know if pulling a pack triggers him landing?

[sleek current]

Make sure you pull the adds onto the stairs or that dragon will become your friend.

[mellow quartz]

does not

[warm plinth]

Nothing triggers him landing. He just does it on intervals

[cinder storm]

Tank fire guys in the balcony on fire dragon side, so you bait your dps to not ninja pull it

[sleek current]

YEAH! 😂

[mellow quartz]

only thing pulling him is if the ranged stand back at max range

[warm plinth]

yep

[mellow quartz]

cause then they are in his patrol path

[warm plinth]

And then you let them die and hope the healer didn't heal them

[tender cove]

so just been super unlucky mixed with blind dps hunters

[warm plinth]

[mellow quartz]

you can stand right where the pack is and nothing pulls

[tender cove]

if you end up pulling him, midpack with the first. Do you just try to nuke fire ele down and death reset?

[mellow quartz]

you just die

[tender cove]

if fire is pulled for whatever reason

[mellow quartz]

or you dont hit him at all and kill pack

he is only dangerous after he gets below 50% hp

[tender cove]

the reverse bor

[sleek current]

As long as you don't drop flame gullet to 50%, you could probably salvage it but, good luck with that. 😂

[mellow quartz]

that is when his aoe starts

[tender cove]

have had him land middle of a packk twice

does healer aggro aggro him?

[mellow quartz]

no

its a normal mob

[tender cove]

because he always starts going on group

so some stupid dps then

as always

[dire matrix]

u can kill the fire guy

did in the 20

[mellow quartz]

he is not tried to any other mobs

[dire matrix]

its not the end of the world

[sleek current]

Your group is stood too close. Just pull the fire elemental up the stairs and your DPS will follow.

[mellow quartz]

you can kill him, just better options

[warm plinth]

Yeah he just hurts at sub-50%

when he starts the pulsing shit

[sleek current]

He's got some pretty wild blood though to be spraying out and hitting people 60 yards away. 😂

[tender cove]

@mellow quartz

that the one i've been doing below but saw yours is diffent

thoughts for improvements?

[sleek current]

Oh no, I don't like the earth elemental with that dude. That's a recipe for a DPS getting clapped by the cleave because they're trying to dodge the big earth circle.

[inland raft]

whats best spec to open vault in if using crafted shield/weapon?

[mellow quartz]

By doing what I do lol

[tender cove]

haha, i was thinking that too bro, cant lie

[lone eagle]

Skip the 2nd earth ele in general

[tender cove]

never really liked the big boi patrol anyhow

[fast knot]

wish I had a rogue for keys

[lone eagle]

he pats away and isn't really worth it

[mellow quartz]

If the big patrol is in a bad spot you can just pull him anyway tbh and chain him into the mini boss

He can be really slow

[tender cove]

any tips or tricks in that lower area? for the pulls

[mellow quartz]

Spell block

[sleek current]

Spell Reflect gets the job done, even in pugs. Those mobs do basically nothing. Couple of interrupts, a shockwave here. You're golden.

[mellow quartz]

The casters hurt a lot on fort weeks if you pull 3 groups at a time

[tender cove]

anything you worry in those packs? Anything you'd save spell block for or Reflect, make sure to have both walls up and stuff like that?

[mellow quartz]

They just chains cast on you. Stop the earth quake dudes if you can

[sleek current]

Save interrupt for ice shield

[fast knot]

Earthshapers have to be stunned for Tectonic Slam

or your group's in for a really bad time

[tender cove]

So if wanted to go full turtle, i'd also spec the taunt silence

[mellow quartz]

Nah

I mean you could if you want but 🤷‍♂️

[fast knot]

RLP is probably one of the bigger dungeons on group accountability

[mellow quartz]

Most issues in RLP is dps dying, not you

[sleek current]

Shockwave and Intimidating Shout are enough to deal with the earthshapers solo.

[frozen rose]

Good luck with that in a pug. I HAVE to clear the whole damn room in pugs cause something is also face pulled there

[mellow quartz]

Unless it’s 2nd boss then you dying is a possibility

[tender cove]

think i've died once under the first week but its mostly me finishing bosses solo. At least last boss in ruby, they remove 90% of the abilities

[frozen rose]

Rlp is a big healer Check

[mellow quartz]

The dot on you on 2nd boss TRUCKS

[sleek current]

Massive healer check. You aren't timing it with anything less than 20k HPS overall in my opinion.

[tender cove]

its like dps'ning a rare

[sleek current]

As is the way with anything that does magic damage. RIP my Workshop runs because the healer didn't dispel me, forever you shall live in my heart.

[mellow quartz]

Technically it’s a physical bleed 🙂

[sleek current]

😮

It is physical.

Well, I guess I can't block it, so that's why.

[fast knot]

that boss is some actual bullshit

[sleek current]

I've always found her to be relatively painless as long as people stack right and move left staying to the right of the boss but... That's doesn't happen as often as I'd like.

[mellow quartz]

I go wall, external, wall, LS and demo shout rdy for rage to spam IP with

Well technically dwarf before that but if you don’t have dwarf then that.

[sleek current]

I will never be a dwarf regardless of what it provides me. 😂

[mellow quartz]

The reason I swapped to alliance when cross play became available.

[sleek current]

Can I get a 2 minute cooldown somewhere, so I can stack ancestral call and my trinket please?

Bolster would give it me but... then I have to lose something else.

[fast knot]

Took it for a +16 rlp with some goobers to get them a vault and really until I get a normal squad it's part of the kit now for the sketchy dungeons

I'll take a minor dps loss to ensure I can live through some absolute idiots distracting my healer

[unique shale]

Anybody know what is beat way to deal with golems in vault ?

[sleek current]

I think I'll just add another button and macro them together. Lol

[unique shale]

[sleek current]

Which golems? The ones that spray heat seeking missiles at you? 😂

[unique shale]

Yup

[warm plinth]

FWIW, and sorry if you knew this already, but disrupting shout is an interrupt, not a silence. As in, if you use it on a mob that is not casting, it does nothing.

[sleek current]

Stun them

[unique shale]

God help us in fort and inspired week

[warm plinth]

There is no inspired

[sleek current]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-of-joy-happy-tearful-tears-of-happiness-gif-14370504

[warm plinth]

Inspired and Necrotic don't exist anymore. At least for this season, but hopefully forever.