protection

[robust quiver]

we get a lot of time

[sick sentinel]

what is 13/13 i lvl

[toxic pewter]

can spell block be useful in every dungeon you guys think

[high drum]

i dont take fear in shadowmooner, i just assumed the undead were immune

[high drum]

not really no

[somber sky]

415

[robust quiver]

ye those are just there tho, and the minispiders pull is not even big considering the small ones melt in 2 globals

[high drum]

but tough as nails is minor so

[warm plinth]

The C in Blizzard is for consistency

[somber sky]

it's still CD usage wasted if you don't do it for the DPS

[robust quiver]

i mean i'm doing lower keys, max 17/18 so idk, never had to use fear

[high drum]

its 2023 and u can do fire damage to ragnaros

i should have known the clam stacking casuals would win

[robust quiver]

maybe they are indeed immune

[somber sky]

minmaxing like this is gonna get you that 3chest. Otherwise SBG is a guaranteed +2 no matter what level

[robust quiver]

yeye ofc you do

i was hoping for some 5head strat to pull bigger

[somber sky]

there's also the patience tech where you wait for the patrolling necromancer to get closer to the one near second boss so that you only have 2 ghosts instead of 4 ghosts. It saves an additional 45-50 sec

[warm plinth]

Not all undead are fearable but there are exceptions to the rule.

[high drum]

had to swap my grieftorch for seed in 21 AA with no poison dispel

was just gettin 1 shot by the stacks

well, we had dragon dispel

[robust quiver]

what we usually do is skip the first pack (just because it's 3 mobs and it's in africa, hard to chain), patrol + pack + little spiders

[somber sky]

also ifyou have a paladin in your group, they can execute certain undead mobs in SBG to make key go even faster

[high drum]

but no healer one

[robust quiver]

then rest is w

[high drum]

u ever

under % sbg

because you miss the patrol after the 2nd boss

[somber sky]

yep

[high drum]

and didnt kill enough adds during 1st boss

[somber sky]

did it once and lost a 2chest by 2 sec

[robust quiver]

uhm no, but we pull the 4 big spiders before the worm bridge

[high drum]

ah i only do 2

[somber sky]

decided to kill last boss and jump off to release close to 3rd and run back

[high drum]

die lol

ur not gonna like this..

but if you take the portal in m+ it puts you at the start

after last boss dies

[somber sky]

yeah we learned in the next key

[high drum]

🌞

[pseudo ridge]

the main dps rotation all abilites have 1.5 min cooldown
so i tried to create a macro to combine all these abilites

first of all.. is it worth waiting 30sec to combine the orc racial for attack power increase to cimbine with all other dps abilites?
and how can i use thunderous roar in this macro since it shares global cooldown with Ravager

[high drum]

never wait

i do 45 sec bursts

alternating roar and ravager usually

[robust quiver]

you can't (ouside of castsequence macros which i don't recommend)

[high drum]

but you could just do all together

[pseudo ridge]

#showtooltip
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Battle Stance
/cast Avatar
#showtooltip Death and Decay
/cast [mod:ctrl, @cursor] Ravagery; [@player] Ravager
/use 13

I have this right now

[warm plinth]

Death and Decay? 🤔

[pseudo ridge]

but since ravager uses global cooldown i was thinking about another command to cast thunderous rouar after

[robust quiver]

sus

[wind oak]

wtf is that cursed macro

[pseudo ridge]

#showtooltip
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Battle Stance
/cast Avatar
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [mod:ctrl, @cursor] Ravagery; [@player] Ravager
/use 13

that xD

[wind oak]

Battle Stance in there

[warm plinth]

I assume that's two macros?

[wind oak]

so if you are in battle stance it just make it so you arent in a stance anymore

[pseudo ridge]

thats one

[robust quiver]

what is ravagery xd

[blazing condor]

[pseudo ridge]

the spinning weapon

[robust quiver]

That's a typo i believe

[warm plinth]

Ravagery, vs. Ravager is the point he was making

[wind oak]

and nobody bats an eye about Battle Stance

this macro is cursed

[warm plinth]

Battle Stance is scuffed but it's already been called out

[high drum]

should be at least !battle stance

but preferably not there at all

[sweet summit]

the macro isn't too outlandish, i'm not a fan of macroing cds together but it doesn't hurt too bad

/cast Blood Fury
/cast !Battle Stance
/cast Avatar
/cast [mod:ctrl,@cursor] Ravager; [@player] Ravager
/use 13```
these changes should make it a bit better

[warm plinth]

I'm just really confused why there are two #showtooltip

[rugged mural]

No difference between the crafted axe and crafted sword, right? Seems odd that wowhead only lists the sword

[pseudo ridge]

bro i just mistyped

are you a bot? xD

[robust quiver]

change it to this:

#showtooltip
/cast Blood Fury
/cast !Battle Stance
/cast Avatar
/use 13
/cast [mod:ctrl, @cursor] [@player] Ravager

even tho i suggest you bing avatar on his own and spam it

since it has really high uptime if you use AM (which you should)

[pseudo ridge]

does avatars cooldown gets reset by anything?

[sweet summit]

doesn't matter as long as it is a strength one hander

[high drum]

/castsequence [mod:ctrl, @cursor][@player]reset=90 Thunderous Roar, Ravager

[warm plinth]

Weapon type does not matter at all

[high drum]

go even further

beyond

[sweet summit]

anger management

a talent we have and always use

[high drum]

avatar cd in practise is around 45s

[warm plinth]

Not reset but it gets reduced

[high drum]

so you line it up with devo & charge

[sweet summit]

same difference

[high drum]

(& ram)

[robust quiver]

also, speaking of stances, do you guys stance dance at all in m+? i'm trying to fit it into muscle memory by staying battle and switching to def on tankbusters

[high drum]

usually bstance my grieftorch

and boss fights

otherwise dstance

[sweet summit]

using it as a defensive cd yeah

[robust quiver]

yeah

[sweet summit]

battle stance as much as possible

big dammy

[robust quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[south tartan]

Hello 🙂 am new here.. where can i find a decent build for Prot for M+ progression pls 🙂 thank you

[robust quiver]

there should be a couple good ones in pins

[somber sky]

everything you need is on pins

[south tartan]

tysm 🙂

[chilly brook]

Maybe start with the guide tbh

[robust quiver]

^

there are a lot of small choices that are personal preference tbh

[jovial birch]

Any Blacksmiths on Malygos realm group with allied wrist guard of companionship pattern?

[lavish oracle]

Can you block while using Storm-eater's boon?

I know that used to be an issue with similar trinkets

[urban portal]

Not sure about boon, but heart of the swarm let’s you block

Would be awesome if you could test it on a dummy

[warm plinth]

afaik boon just roots you; it doesn't affect anything else

[lavish oracle]

Cool, glad they didn't make the same mistake twice

[jovial wedge]

Quick question, I always get Avatar and Demoralizing Shout out of cd a few seconds (10 or so) before SB. For how long max should I hold them to line them with SB?

[cosmic lichen]

I see a lot of specs taking rend over instigate... this seems odd to me, am i wrong?

mainly for m+

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't need to hold them for SB.

You are wrong, yes

You should be using Blood and Thunder in the class tree in combination with Rend.

[urban portal]

no one takes instigate in m+

[cosmic lichen]

why would you want it?

or is it just a dead talent?

[urban portal]

instigate is better in raid

[warm plinth]

In raid you take instigate instead of bloodsurge

YOu always take rend

[urban portal]

bloodsurge only gets better after 3-4 targets or so

and yeah rend is mandatory

its the frrest damage

[cosmic lichen]

ahh, got it. thunderclap applies rend

[warm plinth]

Yes, you never hardcast rend

[fading tide]

The dwarf racial is really op for M+?

[warm plinth]

OP, no. Strong and worth considering in your race choice, yes.

[urban portal]

dwarf is definitely a top 5

and mandatory for high keys

[cosmic lichen]

thunderlord vs battering ram?

[slim dove]

battering

[urban portal]

i recommend looking through what the top players are running instead of trying to figure out each individual talent

[warm plinth]

Personal preference really. Thunderlord is more defensive and makes the rotation not as smooth. Battering Ram is more damage and smooths out the rotation

[fading tide]

What is considered high keys 15+? Or 20+?

[slim dove]

20+ at this point

[urban portal]

ye

[warm plinth]

I recommend not doing that

[cosmic lichen]

I do this, but I like to understand why

[warm plinth]

It's never a good idea to just go do what top players are doing without knowing why they're doing it.

[urban portal]

asking the comparison between each individual talent will take way too long

[warm plinth]

Top players do weird shit

[urban portal]

i think just taking a recommended build from either here or in someones stream is a good starting point

[cosmic lichen]

this is open forum, people can respond whenever they want

[urban portal]

especially when talents do different things

[lofty widget]

most the time the answer to those questions are just "it's more dps"

[cosmic lichen]

I am going off of popular specs, but I see subtle tweaks, and want to discuss said tweaks with other players in the spec

[urban portal]

also thunderlord isn't a competition with battering ram

thunderlord is in 2nd row

ram is 3rd row

[warm plinth]

Well, it is in the sense that you use one or the other generally.

You drop thunderlord to take battering ram

[urban portal]

ah i see the meta takes an extra talent in the 2nd row

so it is a competition

we already have more than enough to reach the 3rd row

i do agree that battering ram is better tho

purely on the basis that its much better in ST

and not worse in aoe

[mellow quartz]

Thunderlord gives you abt 2x the demo shouts (in aoe) which is very good defensively.

[urban portal]

ye its also an offensive vs defensive choice

[blazing condor]

already tyrannical again next week

[mellow quartz]

Demo shout does increase your damage though but yeah in general more defensive.

[stoic elm]

there are my stats but wow head says haste and versatility are priority stats

does this effect my tanking a lot

?

[blazing condor]

nope

secondaries aren't pivotal to playing the class or tanking

low haste doesn't feel that good though

versa doesn't matter

(as much as people think it does at least)

[urban portal]

Battering ram is much more offensive

[blazing condor]

is decoration of flame more of an offensive trinket with a defensive side or vice versa

aka should it be treated as a dps trinket or more like aegis

idk how good value the shield is

[indigo osprey]

Im using it as dmg and thinking the shield as bonus. Overall the dmg is really good

[chilly brook]

@blazing condor and so it begins

[slim dove]

fire it off cd for dmg

[fading halo]

Is there a resource that tells what time you need to beat to 2 chest a dungeon?

[agile elbow]

just download angry keystones or another addon similar

[slim dove]

^

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[chilly brook]

BFA clap gud

[blazing condor]

i respect the shield block, TC and shockwave top right

[tepid sage]

good evening I would like to know if anyone had a big tanki/survival oriented build for raid in mm

[chilly brook]

I'm gonna cry when I out level this

[strong forum]

Any of the build in pins

There is no big difference defensively between those and the ultra mega max turtle

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto Did you update Khakhan's prot WA for DF?

If not I will cry very hard

[languid stream]

How's All-Totem of the Master for Prot? Looks like B-Tier according to WowHead for Prot, but it's S-Tier for VDH?

[blazing condor]

its dope

does good damage for me in my keys

[sacred coral]

hey guys which trinket do i have to pick?

[hazy sluice]

yo the stone mobs on the circle in azure vault need to be purged or soothed?

[languid stream]

Sweet ty

[blazing condor]

its among our top trinkets

[lofty widget]

purged

[hazy sluice]

thx

[dark cosmos]

the rock frontal guys you mean right?

tectonic tank killer or whatever its called?

[hazy sluice]

yeah the buff they give themselves

that increases their dmg by 35%

[hazy sluice]

thx 🙂

[dark cosmos]

ah ok just wanted to know too

[mellow quartz]

The guys with the shield and a frontal or the guys with the cast that leaves a dot?

[dark cosmos]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=187160/crystal-fury

unless IM the confused one

[mellow quartz]

You can stop all their casts by the way

Storm bolt, int shout, shockwave etc

[lusty grotto]

no, i replaced with it with Nome's

[dark cosmos]

ill try next time on the pack with 2 thatll be fun

[chilly brook]

sadge

my favorite WA is dead

[lusty grotto]

yeah that WA was kind of a mess in SL too

so when i resubbed in s4 i was looking for replacements

[chilly brook]

how can I possibly play this class without that WA

😦

[lusty grotto]

well tbf the others are pretty decent

[quartz briar]

If you have the choice between two equivalent items and one is haste verse, that's "best", but pretty much any ilvl gain especially in weapon/shield will be a bigger upgrade.

[inland mesa]

What's the WA do?

[chilly brook]

I assume Nom's is on wago?

[lusty grotto]

its just a general prot WA

[chilly brook]

just a general WA that was the best hands down by far no contest

Absolutely goated with the sauce

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek

you might need a separate shield block bar-type tracker or else you need to get used to looking at the icon

everything else works well

[chilly brook]

I mean the icon was kinda what Khakhans did

[lusty grotto]

well it had the little bars at the bottom

below the IP icon

on the left iirc

[stuck herald]

does warrior have something against suffocating webs to prefent the stun?

[chilly brook]

the stun?

don't stand in the webs

gg

[bright citrus]

is the turtle shell that good? I see people running it at like 385 over other stuff.

[lusty grotto]

have you considered they might not be lucky

and gotten the "other stuff"?

some of us aren't blessed with perfect RNG drops

[chilly brook]

I honestly couldn't tell you if it's good or not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just run trinkets that do big dam

[stuck herald]

last phase he does a tank ability that stuns you

[uncut zephyr]

The turtle shell is kind of nuts for its ilvl tbf

when it actually decides to proc

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto Hi cutie, how are you doing

[lusty grotto]

im doing great, how are you cute-master

[warm plinth]

I am about to try to sleep some more before work because I woke up way too early

[tropic tangle]

So on Nokhud, if you're top aggro on raging tempest and step out he'll cast wind burst instead of meleeing DPS?

[full violet]

Yes

Reflect for big dam

[tropic tangle]

sweet, just +2'd Shadowmoon into a 16, have only run like 1 nokhud this season on warr

that should help get over the hump, pugs tend to screw that boss up

[mellow quartz]

2nd boss area is hard with trash everything else is easy as war.

[full violet]

On pull use Reflect instant, He gonna Cast a Wind burst No Matter what.

[tropic tangle]

he won't cancel cast right, so I pop out far enough to get him to cast and I can charge back in before cast is off?

[full violet]

Yea

[flat vapor]

ye

[tropic tangle]

good deal

[full violet]

Try not to eat a burst without SR, actually hurts

[full violet]

Thats why i said this

[kind gust]

Is Primal Molten Defender absolutely superior to Shield of Hearth?

[tropic tangle]

yeah, wind burst without reflect seems like the worst case scenario for warrs

big magic damage

[kind gust]

Is Primal Molten Defender absolutely superior to Shield of Hearth?

Yes Shield of Hearth is crit mastery, but it has the versatility proc...

Any thoughts?

[tropic tangle]

I think you're giving up secondary stat budget for a mediocre proc

and there are better embellishments

[chilly brook]

again don't stand in webs

it's fine to stand in it for a second or two

but leave and don't keep your stacks going after the zucc

[stuck herald]

on mythic, last phase, he does a tank ability that stuns the tank, i might have named the ability wrong

[chilly brook]

it's not in the journal

[chilly brook]

yes

you hit 8 stacks by standing in the webs

that are dropped

[quartz briar]

Oh my God

[slim dove]

she also

instantly does it

[chilly brook]

and then you get stunned

[quartz briar]

Someone besides Griff answer this man

[slim dove]

to several people

in mythic

including the tank iirc

[chilly brook]

then you just need the adds if there are any to be blown up on the webs

[quartz briar]

I believe the answer to your original question is that I don't think that anti stuns or anything keep you from getting the debuff and people need to bring a spider over to you

[slim dove]

how we liking trampling hooves trinket

from nokgud

snagged a 402

[chilly brook]

anyone with webs at that point should stack behind the tank

adds will naturally get knocked into the people who get webbed

[compact jackal]

So is this actually as good as everyone says 🤔

also the sims must hate me to say a mastery neck is better

[lunar finch]

im no warri tank. asking for a friend. so 100% uptime on shieldblock even possible ? does details track the whole dungeon uptime i guess because hes at 50%

[slim dove]

its absurd.

[quartz briar]

Details atthe end with the overall numbers should be tracking only combat and not any of the running between mobs. You can tell if the time it says is way lower than the key time

[cinder storm]

Yes, and you need logs

[compact jackal]

Should I pump it with valor?

[slim dove]

idk

i probably would

but im not an expert

[compact jackal]

my vault afaik is either I take a 418 strike twice

a tier from m+, grieftorch, or yeah

[slim dove]

grieftorch heroic?

[compact jackal]

ye

[slim dove]

id take that

hard af to get from raid itself.

[compact jackal]

I'm talking tomorrow

[slim dove]

oo

[compact jackal]

I can get this whetstone to 411

[normal halo]

i didnt realise vault could give you anything other than a bunch of shit rings and cloaks

[compact jackal]

not @ 2400 yet and 100 short

my ideal vault is tier chest + helm from m+

wait

[quartz briar]

Lol wait, how do you know what your vault will be tomorrow

[compact jackal]

does whetstone straight up do uncapped 318?

[cinder storm]

Hopium

[compact jackal]

it was vault prio stuff

grieftorch, 418 strike back, and tier

er strike twice

since it means I basically get 3 embellishments

[cinder storm]

Whetstone is 5 target cap

[visual musk]

what is strike twice?

[cinder storm]

Notgud 1h

[visual musk]

oh lmfao

[compact jackal]

I just need a second trinket now

[cinder storm]

I'm running horn and blazehoof

Horn is mainly to make dps jealous

[compact jackal]

+rumbling ruby is my collection

[quartz briar]

Hoof, big toe, and whetstone seem like the least awkward on-use, this tier.

Had dragon games and at best it was annoying, at worst it bugged and didn't let me kick them

[copper talon]

Any help on these guys?

Which would you take for M+

I like the shields from my current ones.

[chilly brook]

yes kind of but that's the wrong metric to be paying attention to

% of blocked hits

not uptime

[lunar finch]

ayy alright thank you guys ❤️

[craggy pilot]

the Earth add from Kurog, the swirleys he makes, you can stack those right?

[slim dove]

damage overlaps on players will probably cause deaths

[craggy pilot]

i mean the pools on the floor from the first set of pools

you can stand on them with the 2nd pools?

[slim dove]

oh

yeah i mean if your healer can handle people sitting in it for a time

[craggy pilot]

thought it only does dmg when it swirls?

[slim dove]

then idk i just sit there and get punched in the face

and move boss when rl yells at me to

zzz fight honestly

[gilded zodiac]

best race for PW? 🙂

[craggy pilot]

all of them

[slim dove]

ne/kul/dark iron/tauren

[craggy pilot]

they do generally no big difference

[ocean yoke]

Either a comically large or comically small race

[craggy pilot]

just play whatever you think is fun / looks good

[slim dove]

idk extra bleed cleanse is insane on 2nd boss rlp

[gilded zodiac]

iim tauren atm but it soooooo big 😄

[slim dove]

use toys to play as small race

always imo

burgy blackheart hat has been on me entire season basically

[gilded zodiac]

i can see there is a high use of blood elf?

[slim dove]

Yeah but most groups typically have a purge anyways

go with the race most aesthetically pleasing to you

[toxic pewter]

I am Vulpera, love my little guy. Doesn't hurt to have great racials too

[oblique kayak]

tauren all the way - show dominance by showing the size diff

[white adder]

Should I prioritize tier or ilvl from vault? currently no tier pieces

[toxic pewter]

its tough because we get catalyst in like 2 weeks

but you also dont have any tier yet

i would do all the raids and see if u can get some tier

[white adder]

OK, thanks! Appreciate it.

[toxic pewter]

personally i would prob snag the gloves... jsut gets me closer to 2 pc and then 4 pc

but I do acknowledge the ilvl situation is not ideal

[blazing condor]

hows loot rules now in pugs? leader chooses if its ML or not

or is it just need/greed

[toxic pewter]

just need/greed

[blazing condor]

dope

[quartz briar]

You can also upgrade that tier

[toxic pewter]

ohh good point

[quartz briar]

398 or w/e gloves from normal will always be that, those gloves will be 418(?)

I forget the actual numbers

[full violet]

415 is max Upgrade

[quartz briar]

So yeah, good until mythic dathea gloves drop, fair investment imo

[sick sentinel]

btw

this shit

im not even memeing i dont think

[toxic pewter]

ware u get that

[white adder]

That's a good point. I had focused a bit more on getting the 2 piece, but that way it's got more longevity. Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

2.5k io

or something else i dont remember

[toxic pewter]

oh wow thats cool i want that

[sick sentinel]

maybe heroic raid clear?

that is not cool

[full violet]

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

its popo

oh nvm

its so garbage i want it off

[full violet]

Transmog to another set 5head

[sick sentinel]

literal dog shit coming out of your head

DKs get thunders and shit

we get "earth"

fucking lol

[toxic pewter]

what are those? floating brown rocks or what?

[sick sentinel]

earth ele particle i assume

[toxic pewter]

yeah damn that does not match heroic set at all

damn

[sick sentinel]

but it literally looks like tard

turd

[toxic pewter]

yeah damn i cant lie

does look pretty bad

[sick sentinel]

how do i turn it off rofl

[toxic pewter]

prob xmog?

[sick sentinel]

dude look at dk's

[toxic pewter]

dang

that bad ass

[sick sentinel]

my new transmog

[gentle sphinx]

what's a good overall dps in m+?

i can't go over 30k

[sick sentinel]

depends on dungeons

30k is average

depends on dungeon and key level

AA is inflated

[gentle sphinx]

i'm just running 8-9s

[toxic pewter]

you guys run spell block in AV? cant remember

[gentle sphinx]

doing around 28-30k

[sick sentinel]

most show off numbers are from AA

are you like 390 ish

yeah, AA has a ton of big numbers pulls

[gentle sphinx]

383ilvl

[sick sentinel]

thats good enough

dw about your dmg

[gentle sphinx]

yea in the end not dying is more important

but i want to pull my own weight too

good to know i'm doing fine then

[sick sentinel]

i would wager that if you are doing 30k and not dying at 383, pretty good

i ran a halls 10 today 388 and we 2 chested it with no major mistakes or wipes

did 28.2k as 388

[lyric geode]

I am 393 and I barely pass 30kdps

I mean, I have to go to battle stance and umph

[full violet]

Btw, what is everyone crafting with next Spark? Since we prolly all have 2 embellished slots by now, just go for lowest non-set piece and craft?

[sick sentinel]

top dps spriest i invited for this key

devouring plauge go brrrr

[lyric geode]

Yogi. Do you use outbursts on claps or slams?

[sick sentinel]

try to on slams, but don't pay alot of attention to it really

[lyric geode]

I feel on +5 targets claps is the answer, while on less slams do more

I have an instance that I did 150k slam

And honestly I dont know how it is possible

Maybe thundering and the stars aligned as well

[sick sentinel]

probably avatar + PI + some 300% dps buff + thundering

[remote dawn]

hi, i can recraft my first on 418, what first? lariat weapon or shield ?

[blazing condor]

first kill eranog and got decoration

https://gyazo.com/3c0a473f52a2fd913b2ec8688b4296f2?token=69783f648569ff89602c895c170e92ec

this dropped too though

[compact jackal]

🤢

[blazing condor]

tried to get it for my monk but alas

[toxic pewter]

ooo nice my kill dropped 2 but lost both

avoidance with socket though

thats sick

[lyric geode]

Imho, leech>> avoidance

But avoidance is also nice

[toxic pewter]

well yeah ill take what i can get

[lyric geode]

Guys, one thing. Is farming for leech upgradable items a thing?\

from m+

[toxic pewter]

I mean its still doable as far as I know and people will do it to min max i suppose

[blazing condor]

its not worth it lol

but if you got the time then go for it

[quartz briar]

Saw a person last tier with all upgraded avoidance set that had like 40% dr or something stupid

[toxic pewter]

yeah thats just crazy lol

[quartz briar]

They just bought a ton of Valor boxes iirc though, no farming

[toxic pewter]

ah

[sick sentinel]

You alright there?

[dense summit]

what is BIS crafted gear for prot?

[outer solstice]

[safe kelp]

hey everyone, i'm a casual player and I force myself to play prot because I find easier a party for mm+ and I find it difficult to play prot, my first spe ever is arm (love it so much) but i know that it will be complicated to find party as dps. So what do you think? my love for arm or keep going prot and i will probably like it?

[coarse seal]

anyone got the dragonflight spell reflect list?

[quartz briar]

[spice axle]

do u guys run into the fray for all of the dungeons too? even in higher keys

[heavy warren]

yo guys what pots are u using rn?

im using the versa ones but dunno if tehre is some better one

[sick sentinel]

for instant potions i use rank 3 health potions 128k per, for 30 minute ones i use tepid versa and eye of the storm seems to be working good as well

as for a battle potion for a buff for 20 second or something buff str whatever, i dunno, was never a fan

[slim dove]

trampling hooves 3% over entire dungeon, whetstone 9%

[sick sentinel]

wtf

[inland raft]

396 ilvl 17 halls, had an 403 evoker healer, is it just ilvl or is evoker rougher to play with? had to sit in dstance almost whole key and wall on cd almost, did as much healing overall as he did

[sick sentinel]

and it only costs 6 gold for rank 1s on ah

what am i overlooking

[slim dove]

Good evokers pump. Sounds like your group was spread out to fuck or he just swapped from dev

[inland raft]

shouldnt macro stuff together like that imo

[sick sentinel]

oooh i thought it was brez

[slim dove]

Orange class still best though imo

Mooman does as mooman pleases

[sick sentinel]

how about for whenever they do the profession update, one of the things is more melee oriented crafted potions

[quartz briar]

Gotta add ravager and roar in there before shield slam so it casts them first

[inland raft]

in that case should macro as many toys as well as you can until run out of macro character space

[quartz briar]

You just press it a bunch of times in a row

[sick sentinel]

there is not many good potions to use for a buff

[sturdy sable]

thats like a ultra zoom in of 1 parse

that gives us so little info

[compact jackal]

Just failed a CoS 18 because the healer died to piercing gale 3 times 🙂

What a stupid trinket

[quaint folio]

In M+, I'm having issues when a mob spawns a bunch of little mobs, or if a pull gets added by mistake. If challenging shout is down, what's the easiest way to get threat on everything?

My current solution is to tab target and revenge/thunder clap if no other aoe spells are up (thunderous roar, shield slam, ravager) . In terms of priority, which spells are best for holding aoe threat?

[rapid rover]

TC+Revenge ftw

[blazing condor]

dont forget heroic leap resets taunt as well if ever needed

[compact jackal]

About to do Heroic Rasz woo

[outer solstice]

good luck

[quaint folio]

damn, that's a good tip

[outer solstice]

doesn't hurt

[compact jackal]

Only differences are the clouds in p1 do ramping damage, int 2 has 2 adds, and p3 has the mag bomb right?

[outer solstice]

hmm not quite

the small bombs need 2 interrupts

[swift olive]

Hi all quick one 376 Decoration of Flame or 395 Ruby Whelp Shell

[outer solstice]

AoE flyover from boss kills

[compact jackal]

well yeah that's so easy I didn't mention it lol

[outer solstice]

it's problematic for quite a few ppl ^^

[compact jackal]

oh I'm talking differences as a tank that I care about

[outer solstice]

phase 2 debuffs deal damage

so they are dealt differently

[compact jackal]

Pre-spread and then don't screw it up ye

[grizzled basalt]

hi boys, i seach for the sheets ReflectGuide, i found the SL one on channel above but the DF one is not here, someone can link it?

[compact jackal]

There's no weird magnet bomb + blast combo in p3 is there?

[cunning cipher]

Yo guys how do you live the last pack in TJS on a 20 fortified?

Tried using spellblock, barely works for the 20s it's up, triple dark claw still chunks 70% of my hp even blocked. Tried kiting, everyone gets rekt by the small adds that spawns cus I can't be in range to get aggro

[sick sentinel]

throw can trigger cobalt ring

[pallid quiver]

[loud patrol]

... titanic throw registers as 1 hit or as 5 hits?

[grizzled basalt]

@pallid quiver Thanks

[slim dove]

Stun to desync dark claws.

Reflect first batch then stun

[quartz briar]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[viscid sand]

Strike Twice one-hand sword basic attack proc chance? and proc everything?(like shield slam et.?)

[compact jackal]

Someone is saying the rasz balls in heroic in p3 have 3 lives?

or p2 idk if this guy is counting int1/2 as phases

[quartz kettle]

how do you guys like to pull that last pack in TJS

that pack so stronk

[tawdry dove]

I'm confused, what would be better?
Quick Ysemerald (88 H) or Energized Ysemerald (70 H, 33 V)

I know haste is better but the energized gives 103 total stats instead of 88 total stats

[tender cove]

Whats the difference between /cast and /use in a macro?

[quartz kettle]

isnt /use for items

[sick sentinel]

don't try to combine

death is 100%

[strong forum]

more stats > better stats

[tender cove]

I thought soo too but then i saw the macro above and it uses /use for everything

[tawdry dove]

so everyone should be rocking the Energized then?

[quartz kettle]

the pack after that

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/YPspJuB.png

[tender cove]

Nom, what is the correct way to weigh the overwhelming rage talent, for example vs sidearm.
Was a discussion the other day and I could only remember you mentioning it's not a horrible choice and a valid QOL.
Is that just because sidearm is so trash or whats the deal? Does OR have any value outside of "bad play"?

[mighty valley]

check sidearm in overall, it's pretty tiny

[sick sentinel]

im not a huge fan of side arm

it feels like it does nothing and is invisible

[tender cove]

But does it have any value outside covering for bad play?

[mighty valley]

on big aoe pulls when you pop all your CDs, I think capping rage without OR is almost inevitable a little

[tender cove]

So it provides a tiny bonus for AM etc and with sidearm being rather trash, it closes the gap to where it really doesn't matter in the bigger picture?

I'm not trying to say its not a crutch but I would just want to know the techincal answer to it, i suppose.

[mighty valley]

yeah it's a pretty small gap in any case and i think realistically most players would get a little more from the point in OR

[strong forum]

i perma run sidearm

it does around 1.5-2% of dmg

we also finally combined all-totem on logs

so it looks shiny now

[tender cove]

I can't really pinpoint why I struggle with overcapping but its like, the rotation is a dynamic flow for 80% of the time and then it feels like I look away for half a second and boom, drowning in rage

[mighty valley]

pretty colors

[strong forum]

is also alot easier to read on logs now because of it obv

[slim dove]

and its still fairly mid i take it

[strong forum]

?

[slim dove]

like, not a must have like grieftorch

[mighty valley]

this is pretty normal for a lot of players, in a chaotic pull if you're not on top of everything you might miss an outburst shield slam etc

[strong forum]

ive never said that all totem is mid

i always said its one of the best trinkets in the game

[slim dove]

idk what your opinion of it was tbh

[jagged pier]

thats a good change

[strong forum]

like it did 3.5% in raw dmg, not even counting the buffs you get

meanwhile boon, one of the strongest raw dmg trinkets, only did 5.3%

[visual musk]

do you just craft a piece to cover whatever your worst item is after you have 2 embellish? or am i missing something obvious. about to just craft ring

[strong forum]

pmuch

[tender cove]

Yeh, that's often where it happens, where its not like panic but I'm so in the zone trying to survive and stay on top of the pull that i just keep pressing buttons but forget the rage needs to spend too. Which is weird because i should want to press IP to survive more.
I've also been playing my paladin for the last 2 days and its made me feel like I'm really bad at warrior lol... For warrior, i cant explain it but either i take zero dmg or its "ohh shit ohh shit, im dying panicmode" but on pala the damage is much more predicatble and i can just handle it myself most of the time. I dunno, made me feel like I need to practice warrior more but I dunno what i'm doing wrong.

[mighty valley]

staying on top of rage spend is a big part of keeping your health stable through indom + IP plus gives you your CDs all the time

we've obviously gotten a lot stronger but warrior is still a more proactive tank than the ones with more tools to recover from unexpected fuckups

i swear especially after s3, people playing brew and bdks in SL dungeons could get pretty far without knowing anything about the pulls

[toxic pewter]

literally just typed that lol my b

I like my all totem

[tender cove]

For sure, on paladin it feels like I have something for every situation. Ohh you got rooted? np, ill just freedom. Ohh, you have a bad debuff? just bubble. Ohh you need to dispel yourself? i got you. The healer died and you need to spam wogs to cover yourself and the group? np just cd and have fun.

[mighty valley]

when i'm healing, it's a lot less stressful to heal a competent warrior than paladin though lmao

[tender cove]

Never really tried to heal but I can imagine, it does feel like I take a lot more damage overall but its not spiky damage, its more predictable up and down.

[fallow osprey]

i'm looking at what talent to swap out when i want to run Disrupting Shout in m+, but i kind of grimace at the options. does anyone here run disrupting shout occasionally? what do you swap out for it?

[honest vale]

I like when I charge in and I see a little axe fly off into the distance. 😛

[toxic pewter]

Ive only run it for heroic dathea so far

honestly tough to say what to drop for it for m+ imo...

spec tree just has so many good talents dont want to lose any of them

[mighty valley]

i haven't felt the need for it yet... maybe when brackenhide makes it into the rotation...

i guess i'd drop battering ram if i felt like i really needed it?

[fallow osprey]

i've had some poor luck in the transition phase of NO final boss. i'm not sure if i'm causing my group problems or if it's their own error but we can't group up the 4 spell casters sometimes

and i guess disrupting shout would help

[slim dove]

assign kicks, group them, rotate stops

disrupting shout helps alot in pugs that dont press kick

[mighty valley]

make friends with a death knight

[slim dove]

^

slappy hands is cheats

[toxic pewter]

i will say that seems like one of the best situations for disrupting shout that comes to mind

[fallow osprey]

yeah and i think it really causes problems if people try to stun the casters at the beginning before they are grouped up

[sick sentinel]

now i got a horde icon

maybe duke nukem or some shit for last,

[oak echo]

The last NO I did we CCed 2 of them and it was a joke

[boreal bolt]

anyone have the ruby whelp shell trinket ? i still have the primal one and the rumbling ruby(normal) idk if its worth to change my primal to the ruby shell :/

[oak echo]

I had shell for a while and it was super underwhelming

[toxic pewter]

is panda food buff racial any good in the big picture of things

can get 76 str basically all the time

[blazing condor]

nah

race doesnt matter for big picture

[toxic pewter]

true

[blazing condor]

i like being panda though 🙂

[sick sentinel]

maybe if you plan to deathskip

[blazing condor]

you can get that double health buff thing and then get that doubled too if you're panda

[boreal bolt]

erf ty

[toxic pewter]

I sort of like the panda synergy with the new perma food buff thing

[blazing condor]

if someone has tried that

[honest vale]

On an unrelated note, when do we suspect S1 will end?

[toxic pewter]

prob march or april i bet

[honest vale]

I was thinking April sounds pretty good to wrap stuff up.

I just have some friends I'm helping with KSM, wanted to see how much time people may think I have. 😛

[inland raft]

Ya 3-4 months is the normal

[tender cove]

What would be the easiest/best comp for ruby +16?

[jade pulsar]

One with lots of kicks and cc

[tender cove]

I just hate and dread that place

its just a pug killer

[jade pulsar]

Hunter's has it rough in there

[severe hatch]

You're probably dropping Show of Force tbh

[sick sentinel]

kicks and dragon roulette / rng landing is what fucks your runs

[warm plinth]

Just drop bounding stride

[severe hatch]

Disrupting Shout is in spec tree

[warm plinth]

Touche

Just woke up

[tender cove]

is the landing rng though? thought it was predetermined spots?

[sick sentinel]

i mean, some people already drop battering ram forthunderlords, so why not drop battering ram for disrupting

[sick sentinel]

it will feel RNG in a pug brain

[tender cove]

I usually open with the dragon to the left and try to just skip/double back and not deal with the fire one

[toxic pewter]

I drop thunderlord for battering personally

[sick sentinel]

just put a note on the MDT route with the landing locations in an order if they are in an order and a note that says "the dragon lands every XY seconds"

i seen way too many runs where he just comes in and deletes our party

[slim dove]

always avoid flamegullet yes

[tender cove]

dont qoute me on this but it lands after you pull the pack next to it, either from the straight right or after the fountain place going the circle. but thats just my assumption from watching

[slim dove]

fight the infernos on the egg platofrms

[sick sentinel]

hes probably on a timer if hes not on a combat or linedef trigger

the only threat of dragon is people AFK and asleep not looking at screen, rest around the ring is just simple kicks for the cinder bolts

[inland raft]

What ilvl do 17/18s stop hurting 395 and feel pain

[sick sentinel]

the guy doing the cinder bolts can be hit with stuns is something to keep in mind

so thats storm bolt, shield charge, and shockwave

that can all stop that cast

[oblique quarry]

I’m at 392 ilvl and trying to down normal Raszageth and I am feeling super squishy even with well timed taunts from the other tank. Is this normal? I’ve opted for more defensive talents and still go down from time to time.

[sick sentinel]

are other prots experiencing threat issues in m+? When i run with my better team members (fury/WW) every so often they pull threat off me at start of pull. Watching the clips back i have full dots on the mobs and at least 1 revenge. Is this an issue others feel or is just me?

i usually startpulls in def stance

if they are dropping CD's + dmg cd's the intsant you pull mobs, fuck em.

[quartz kettle]

am i the only one who doesn't get the warning when your gear is starting to break anymore

[tender cove]

I have this issue since launch and its driving me insane because it happens even with full burst and i'm just so confused about it.
Best description i've heard is that its going over 5 targets and rend misses one but even that feels sus with roar, ravager etc

[sick sentinel]

maybe you can taunt/big taunt, or attack harder, but like, they are just deathwish if theyt attack instantly when you do

[tender cove]

And frankly for the threat, i know i'm good enough but i also dont wanna full out blame some bug related to it...but somthing is def off with threat in m+

[sick sentinel]

after the first ss + thunderclap goes out, ppl are allowed to attack is what i say

[honest vale]

Yeah, if I don't drop Ravager w/ Avatar up and Thunder Clapping all my rends, I'll lose threat on targets. My issue is in keys like Vault, where you have the large elemental that rains down area of denial swirlies, but you have two earth mobs that you must keep pointed away from the party (who never get purged, so good luck tanks), so I usually lose threat on him.

[sick sentinel]

whats the pull shield charge > thurerclap > vengence > slam > vengence ?

is that optimal?

w/o rav/avatar/thunderous roar

[honest vale]

You should mix in a DS there.

[sick sentinel]

send TC+revenge harder i guess if you have no shout or ravager or even shield charge

[south zealot]

shield charge opener seems like a waste

[sick sentinel]

DS?

[honest vale]

Demo Shout @sick sentinel

[south zealot]

no demo shout or avatar buff

[honest vale]

Charge first, then use Shield Charge once Avatar is up and Demo is out.

[sick sentinel]

im fully talenting out of inting shout now

is it completely troll to run titantic throw? im starting to get flamed a lil for the threat

fuck it, completly off the bars, never touching that spell ever again

[south zealot]

its fine to run

many ppl do

[honest vale]

Don't use it as an opener for reaching your target. Someone here found that if you use it on the Z-axis, there's a chance it bugs out and you gain none of its benefits.

[south zealot]

i do it in groups without an md

[sick sentinel]

i hate intimidating shout absolute worst button

[south zealot]

whys that

[sick sentinel]

might as well say, "press this button to wipe the party"

thanks everyone very insightful

[south zealot]

using fear to stop casts and not enough damage goes out to break it kinda sucks

but thats rare

[sick sentinel]

yeah, its great until you NEED to interupt spell and its only button ready you have

[honest vale]

This is why I love premade groups where everyone is in comms.

[sick sentinel]

then he goes to running to antarticar

nope, i hate it, too much risk i will never touch it again unless its menace, but thats 2 talents

[honest vale]

Another problem with threat is people don't wait when you must open with repositioning enemies (e.g. the circle platforms in Vault when it a pat is on its way.)

Opens with Heroic Throw and immediately runs away

all 3 DPS burst in

So, I have to run back. 😭

I've opted to usually run along the inner edge of the platform and grab the pat, then turn around and get the other mobs.

[sick sentinel]

some times ravager on a narrow hallway connecting to door way at the door while they funnel outside with TC leeds on them is good

you charge, tc, leap to los, ravager if needed, charge when the pile up

[severe hatch]

I think the key to on-pull threat is to use your mobility to chain pull such that your dps are not on the next pack as quickly as you

[honest vale]

While I don't think a single TC should give you a billion threat, I definitely thing there should be a threat buff in like the first 8-10s of combat.

[severe hatch]

But I also do as much dps as most of the people I run with so

[sick sentinel]

TC is like, they can do a normal special attack once or twice

they cant combo out on it

[honest vale]

It's just tough to link packs together (like the first pull in Halls when entering the High Gate), people like to start in on the first pack you pulled while you're pulling the second.

[stable valve]

so blow cds on last pack TJS and then run away the whole time after?

what do you do about the small adds that spawn? just hope TT is enough?

[honest vale]

Nah, stick in melee while you have CDs like Spell Block, then leap away when you have nothing left.

[severe hatch]

That's more the DPS needing to learn how to play though tbh

[honest vale]

I think that's what you meant.

[stable valve]

yeah that's what I was talking about blow cds

[sick sentinel]

sometimes, getting a group of monsters to collapse is as simple as waiting for them to use all of their CD's and then they all simply walk to you to attempt to melee you, then its more within dps cleave ranges

[shut flare]

What is the most efficient way to gain aggro on the heroic diurna adds?

[hushed lintel]

Can anyone tldr 4set interaction? Like does it change how often we press ip anyway?

[hardy ridge]

Spell block and double shield wall, u can live forever on that pack

[severe hatch]

Challenging Shout unironically

should be up every time, bonus points talent for the AOE interrupt

[shut flare]

When on cooldown

[honest vale]

I thought so. I pull them, stun one of the Minions, pop CDs to soak the Dark Claws, Avatar+Ravager+TC+a couple Revenges+Dragon Roar, then I leap out of there.

[sick sentinel]

exmaple is here

[severe hatch]

It's never on CD the tanks rotate

[severe hatch]

only 1.5 min CD

[sick sentinel]

if you wait for the selected group to simply casts its spells, they run out of shit to cast, and start running at to melee you

[shut flare]

We dont rotate he is aboe to tank solo on boss and me on adds

How do i efficiently get agfro of adds

[honest vale]

You have to run into melee for that Purifier though.

[severe hatch]

Change your strat imo

[shut flare]

No we easily killed it. I just want to know how to efficently get aggro that is all

[serene mango]

Sorry to bother but is the Strike Twice any good?

[severe hatch]

Otherwise just save your damage CDs for every other platform

[honest vale]

It's decent, but nothing to write home about.

[severe hatch]

Pool rage for revenge spam in between TC

No magic tricks to it

[shut flare]

Also the adds the melt through shit. Especially the frost dragon

[stable valve]

yeah was running single SW. so SW then SB then SW, maybe SW again then run like a bitch?

[serene mango]

@honest vale oh too bad, ty

[stable valve]

just dk what to do about the small adds that spawn. bring a hunter everytime?

[honest vale]

The Minions and the Fear are the scariest part in the pack. Once the Minions are dead, you're good.

[hardy ridge]

Yeah u can also weave shockwave and reflect before chaining the big DRs if you know what youre doing

[grave flower]

Is the heroic throw talent not good enough? Hits 5

[hardy ridge]

Double SW is also good vs 3rd boss 2nd phase

[stable valve]

Tried the shockwave SR trick but they didn't sync for some reason. Is there a particular way to do it consistently?

[honest vale]

Did you Shockwave both of them?

[stable valve]

CD and sometimes they spawn too far apart it seemed

[honest vale]

I opt for using Storm Bolt on one of them.

[stable valve]

plater showed SW on all 4

[hushed lintel]

Can anyone tldr 4set interaction? Like does it change how often we press ip anyway? Posting again just cause im not finding anything answering clearly

In wowhead, icyveins doesnt have any tips either

Some ppl tell me its a shit tierset others say its godly

And im contemplating rerolling to my alt pwar from bear

Cause my cotank seems to be breezing through the raid while i have to perma rotate cds on raza like hell

[strong forum]

Pwar is actually one of the worst tanks for raza

[hushed lintel]

And ip is the most busted tank spell i swear

[strong forum]

So uh

[honest vale]

You can probably save your first Ravager until they spawn, then drop it.

[stable valve]

you'll press ip anyways to dump rage for anger management cdr

[steel mauve]

you track the buff and makes sure you have it on all the time

basically weaving in revenges to keep the buff up, which only really makes things awkward around <20% boss hp

[stable valve]

true, but I my groups gets 3 sets of those adds

will just have to run them too me I guess

[honest vale]

There's no reason the group can't be on you in that pack. Dark Claw isn't a frontal. The only frontal is the breath, but that's easily avoided.

And by the time you've started running, the first set of those shalings has already spawned.

[sick sentinel]

is cos rough this week or what

[honest vale]

No.

[sick sentinel]

i never played it ever

so,

[honest vale]

SBG and COS are easiest keys by far.

[warm plinth]

I don't know that CoS is ever really rough outside of the last boss

[sick sentinel]

maybe as a timwalk heroic

[warm plinth]

and that's only on tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

i just blundered my way through cos when it was TW heroic

[honest vale]

Make sure one ranged player baits the images from Blade Surge so that lines are in one line across the room.

[warm plinth]

Should be mentioned that everyone else has to be in melee range to be able to do that. It's based on range, not whether you're a ranged spec or not.

[honest vale]

It gets really rough if the images are scattered and lines are scattered and tornadoes are everywhere. It will be worse next week if images aren't handled correctly because we get Storming, so that's additional nadoes.

[honest vale]

^ He dashes the furthest player.

[strong forum]

Cos will be rough during storming tyr

[warm plinth]

It's not the furthest player; it's just a random person not in melee

[sick sentinel]

this doesn't bode well

[warm plinth]

Our hpal stepped out like a single yard past melee and he charged her instead of the warlock 20 yards away

[honest vale]

Interesting.

Okay, so stack on tank it is.

[cinder storm]

@sick sentinel something to keep in mind since you haven't run it much, is to always kill minibosses where the enforcer is patrolling

[sick sentinel]

whatever that means, but sure

[warm plinth]

I've done CoS a ton of times and even I don't know what that means.

😂

[cinder storm]

And the lines come from where melandrus and the copies are facing so you can bait positioning early on if clones aren't stacked

[versed matrix]

You don't want enforcer to spawn mid miniboss and fuck you up

[sick sentinel]

i will probably just list my self as "+12 cos, looking for carry, description, i never played legion, first time m+ cos"

[versed matrix]

And you also want to reduce downtime crossing over

[honest vale]

If Enforcer is on blue circle, when you kill her, she will pull one of the mini bosses to this spot. Kill her there.

[sick sentinel]

this is what i have

[warm plinth]

You can't really do CoS with a fixed route

[honest vale]

Second half is a bit random depending on Enforcer spawns.

[warm plinth]

Like the first half can be, but once you are past the first boss, you're at the whim of enforcer/miniboss spawn item locations

[honest vale]

I think you need at least 94% before you enter the last area of the dungeon (to hunt for the last mini boss).

[cinder storm]

I tend to go right and pull bridge pack, I favor going right first since it feels more consistent there's usually an enforcer or two items or three there sometimes

[honest vale]

I never pull the pat on the bridge.

[cinder storm]

Plus if someone does the respawn point is already there

[honest vale]

Too many kicks and stops.

[cinder storm]

2 kicks and one stop

[limpid anchor]

Pulling the bridge sucks

[honest vale]

Yeah, too many!

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's easily the worst pack for that area besides the patrol by the boss. Do not recommend.

[limpid anchor]

I didn’t mean to ping

[warm plinth]

It's fine lol

Besides, it's complete RNG. A bunch of our runs have had pretty much every buff on the left side except the Bazaar Goods

There's no consistency to them

[sick sentinel]

so the trio of named mobs close to 2nd or 3rd boss don't pull together?

[pallid quiver]

I don't recommed cos 😉

[limpid anchor]

I only do imps 2 enforcers and 2 duo packs

For items

Easy 100%

[honest vale]

I don't think I've had a bad Enforcer spawn except in the lower left corner, which is P15 in Yogi's screenshot.

[warm plinth]

No, you have to either kill enforcers or use some of the items to lure them and kill them separately (they buff each other and the boss)

[pallid quiver]

The amount of times i have solo'd last boss

[honest vale]

That's the only Enforcer that's fucked me up. xD

[sick sentinel]

this is for COS, im currently only talking about COS rest of tonight

[oak echo]

loving the "is cos rough this week" -> "i don't know anything about the dungeon or what you're saying"

[warm plinth]

It's honestly less complicated than it looks

[blazing condor]

Anyone else notice that mdt count doesnt line up with actual count for AA?

[warm plinth]

The items largely don't matter to your success

[cinder storm]

Elemental in AA has a weird count

[blazing condor]

Tried a route but it didnt not check out %wise

[honest vale]

They've pushed updates for Academy the last couple days.

[sick sentinel]

i mean, other people DO know it, and they probably expecting that i know it

[blazing condor]

Maybe its that then

[sick sentinel]

i don't lol

[honest vale]

Temple is still fucked though.

[limpid anchor]

Yes it fucked my 20 :<

[urban portal]

🧢

[oak echo]

that and NO were changed i think yesterday or the day before

[honest vale]

When I say "they", I mean the MDT devs.

[shut flare]

Does heroic diurna adds really melt your hp? Anyone else experience this?

[cinder storm]

I had to run CoS five times before it clicked for me

[limpid anchor]

Only the proto hurts

[mellow quartz]

I doubt the count was updated on a Sunday

[limpid anchor]

So 1 wall at the start, that’s it

[hushed lintel]

Care to elaborate?

[honest vale]

Watch a Plka vod to get the idea, you won't be able to do his exact route if he does docks, but you don't need docks.

[shut flare]

Yes it burns

So much

It melts

[limpid anchor]

You suck on other tanks

[shut flare]

Literally

[limpid anchor]

If that’s elaborated enough

[blazing condor]

Hm well either way it was under count

[hushed lintel]

I only play bear currently together with pwar, i don't see how this has anything to do with the ip statement

[honest vale]

Can you post your route?

[hushed lintel]

Thanks for elaborating though

[limpid anchor]

Np

[blazing condor]

On my phone atm so cant but it was just skipping first platform back after 2nd boss (tree first)

[fading tide]

You guys ever sell your tanking services for gold? And if so how much you sell for. (I’m talking heroics and M0)

[blazing condor]

And making up for it by pulling all small wyrms by 3rd boss and an extra pat near last boss

[limpid anchor]

I sell boosts, if that counts?

[honest vale]

People shouldn't be purchasing M0s.

[limpid anchor]

But not trade chat selling my body

[limpid anchor]

They are for loot mostly

It’s pretty cheap so seems worth it I think

[urban portal]

Nothing basically changed with ip from shadowlands to now after nerfs

Ip it’s just a more convoluted heal

[honest vale]

If you kill bird, then run back to start and cross that bridge to Vex, then you'll have to kill all the trash outside last boss.

[urban portal]

It’s a heal that the enemy needs to do double the damage it heals to fully gain value

[fading tide]

I dude gave me 100k for 4 M0 runs wondering if that’s the norm

[urban portal]

Now you can say shield block is op

Which it is

But ip is definitely one of the worse defensive out there

[limpid anchor]

Absolutely not

[blazing condor]

Yeah i noticed it became shitty but mdt still said 100%

[limpid anchor]

That’s price for 8 m0 atm

[hushed lintel]

I appreciate ir, havent looked at it from this angle. Havent player pwarr previously either, just seemed like a spammable 50% dr active mitigation is very strong

[urban portal]

Its only kind of a 50% dr

[honest vale]

I opt to go right after killing Crawth. None of that stuff is super crazy and you only need 1 player to kick Mystic Blasts.

[pallid quiver]

It's barely that. It just smooths your damage intake

Any damage that goes past the IP value you still take in full. It's a 50% absorb

[urban portal]

If they made it a 100% absorb it would be absolutely good

But at 50 eh

[pallid quiver]

Shield Barrier come back

[cinder storm]

Nome should explain how IP works in the pins

[urban portal]

Not to mention prot war doesn’t take chunks of physical damage

[pallid quiver]

Well, the tooltip is actually fairly correct for its basic functionality

It doesn't tell you about the cap, though

It says you take absorb 50% of the damage you take, iirc

[urban portal]

If our rage cap is sufficiently large we wouldn’t ever press ip vs only blockables

Any blockable hit that can actually threaten prot warrior through block will instantly global anyone that isn’t brew

[pallid quiver]

okay so you need to learn to read stupid

But it does say that

[urban portal]

Yep

People just read the part before the #s

[pallid quiver]

Before the comma, really

[cinder storm]

Instant really

[honest vale]

If we just had 50% DR up all the time, you'd almost never hit SB.

And no one would play any other tank, ever.

[cinder storm]

But it empowers SS

[honest vale]

A permanent Survival Instincts? Hell yes.

[inland raft]

between blazehoof and decoration of flame which is better to run?

[cinder storm]

Why not both?

[warm plinth]

The number listed on the IP tooltip is for one cast of IP. It does not mention the cap, which is 30% of your maximum health in absorb.

[honest vale]

I mean, why not both? You're right!

[warm plinth]

Please explain how Ignore Pain is one of the worst defensives in the game.

[limpid anchor]

I would say wall is better

[urban portal]

its a heal that requires you to take double the damage to fully gain the healing amount

[limpid anchor]

so is sb

[honest vale]

Imagine if we still had Legion's version of IP, ignoring 90% of incoming damage up to the cap. It also cost less rage baseline back then too.

[urban portal]

im not saying its bad within the context of our kit

[oak echo]

No nnoggie fixed the count in mdt

NO requires 520 but mdt has said 580 the whole time

[urban portal]

especially before all the IP changes in 9.2

[warm plinth]

Have you never used Ignore Pain? In any relevant content, it has no trouble being consumed, and it's basically spammable. I'm not sure how a 50% DR that's spammable is "one of the worst defensives out there"

[shut flare]

Is the 4 piece a lot? In terms of defensive? The ignore pain that comes with it can suffice?

[honest vale]

What changed in 9.2 other than the fact it was buffed to ignore a bit more per cast?

[warm plinth]

The reason we prioritize Shield Block over IP is that

1. It reduces damage more with a decent shield
2. It doesn't break/have a cap

[urban portal]

the HPS gain of most "healing" defensives are higher

except for maybe wog because wog is very expensive

[honest vale]

Even with 4pc, you'll still dump into IP on occasion.

[warm plinth]

How does the cost of a spell have any impact on its HPS

[urban portal]

the more expensive it is the less you can cast it

therefore the hps of it over a pull is lower

if WOG costed 5 HP it would definitely have less HPS than if it were 1

[honest vale]

Maybe it should be 1hp and scale in cost depending on your current health.

[warm plinth]

Have you never looked at a log or a healing meter and seen how much of our healing is Ignore Pain? Like not that HPS is even remotely a valid metric or one that people should give a shit about (they shouldn't), but it's absurd to say that a spammable 50% DR is one of the worst defensives out there.

You even said yourself that we rarely get chunked, which means we make very good use of Ignore Pain the majority of the time.

[steel mauve]

did a normal sennarth a few hours ago and it was 56% of my total healing, it probably would have been more but i was a greedy SoB and basically didnt use it under 20%

[honest vale]

Random Prot warrior in a 15 HOV.

[urban portal]

Ignore pain loves getting chunked more than smoothed damage

Again I’m not saying it’s bad in the context of a kit

[warm plinth]

I'm not talking about in the context of our kit

[honest vale]

Also running Indomitable so healing is gonna be a bit higher.

[warm plinth]

It's not a bad defensive even outside of the context of our kit

[steel mauve]

its really really good at what it does

[honest vale]

If we gave DK IP right now, how much stronger would they be?

Think about it.

[urban portal]

Dk would love any form of pre mitigation

[honest vale]

Or even Brewmaster, IP fits so well into all the tank kits.

[urban portal]

But if it takes runic power then it’s going to be less hps than just face tank the hit

And death striking back

[slim dove]

give prot war bone shield

[cinder storm]

Well, we are technically stronger because of shield charge, we were kinda weak at the start of any pack

[toxic pewter]

just got a strike twice to drop right after i made 418 weapon

[warm plinth]

If it's not 418, you're fine

[honest vale]

While it wasn't a 418 weapon for me, same thing happened for me. I crafted a weapon, then looted Strike Twice.

[slim dove]

thats why i stay arms spec

[toxic pewter]

yeah damn lol

im switching to arms now

[honest vale]

I finally looted something other than the fucking beads. xD

[slim dove]

may aswell get 2handers to dps occasionally

[ebon wren]

how do I handle high lasher stacks on AA tree boss?

[honest vale]

Stand in the circle when branch dies.

[cinder storm]

You can always kite

[honest vale]

Weave AoE stops in and blow them up.

[main locust]

Are you unable to block/parry while using Manic Grieftorch?

[cinder storm]

If it follows the rule of the spear in NW I would assume no, got globaled there once

[ebon wren]

no, ok tree dies. lasher's are still alive - they stack a dot on you.

[honest vale]

Although, if you're going to kite, be sure that you're kiting well before the next set of lashers, else you're going to fuck the spawns.

[cinder storm]

Do you pug?

[honest vale]

Why are lashers still alive when tree dies?

[ebon wren]

oh yes

pug

[honest vale]

Are people popping CDs on first set of lashers?

[warm plinth]

No block/dodge/parry during casts/channels typically, so yes, you are unable to block/parry while using it.

But you can generally fit it in anyway either with a shockwave or using a defensive or something

or just during a low damage period on a boss

[toxic pewter]

which shield do you guys think looks cooler eranog or broodkeeper

[cinder storm]

Use potion of shocking enclosures 2 adds, lust 4th

[urban portal]

I recommend trying on a dummy

In shadowlands channeled trinkets let you block

[lethal warren]

Hi guys, wowhead Bis list in MM+ doesnt include vault set, is that so useless?

[urban portal]

So idk

[honest vale]

Yes, every even set of lashers will arrive before a Burst Forth cast. Every odd set of lashers will stay rooted in the ground, provided they die before the next Burst Forth cast.

[cinder storm]

The list shows things that can drop

Iirc

[warm plinth]

Grieftorch doesn't

[lethal warren]

never killed a boss in vault and still have a p2

[warm plinth]

Only specific trinkets have ever let you block during the cast/channel

[honest vale]

Are they doing another Catalyst this season, or did they opt to just reward tier out of Vault for M+ players?

[warm plinth]

It comes out on the 24th

[cinder storm]

Yes

[warm plinth]

We could get tier out of vault last expansion too

[lethal warren]

Vault

[honest vale]

Oh, dope. Did I miss the memo?

[cinder storm]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Sounds like it :p

[somber sky]

hey chat

[warm plinth]

It's called the Inspiration Catalyst this time around

[honest vale]

When was the announcement for the 24th?

[warm plinth]

uh, idk, a while back

[somber sky]

does Strike Twice also chance proc devastator?

[warm plinth]

They said "6 weeks after the raid opens"

[honest vale]

Oh, okay.

[main locust]

Ye, you can't :/

[warm plinth]

No, Strike Twice's effect is just a damage proc, not an actual additional hit.

[honest vale]

Although, it should probably be an additional hit based on the name.