protection

[last crest]

yeah

[sick current]

lariat of course

okay thanks!

[last crest]

in m+ you get like 100% uptime either way

[sick current]

yep

ur right thank you im happy now :)_

crafting those now

[last crest]

so effectively its 250 - 200 - 170 wrist

[sick current]

which embellishment

do you like on the sword

the physical dmg proc?

for m+?

fang

[last crest]

you dont embelish sword

Lariat and wrist count as embelish

[sick current]

ahhhh

[weak snow]

ofc you do, with the food buff thing 😉

[compact jackal]

So down bad that this is an upgrade.

[honest vale]

8 haste? Well, hot damn!

[toxic pewter]

Thats what I did, put that food buff thing on my sword and I really like it

[zinc spruce]

yay

good start

[toxic pewter]

grats

thinking of going panda with that food buff thing permanent 2 hour foods is legit tbh

[compact jackal]

This seems so so wrong.

haste/vers being worse than vers/mast

[crystal canopy]

Can someone help me real quick so I’m trying to place a recrafting order but won’t let me type my own name when it says “To:” am I not supposed to type my own name? I’m confused bro

[compact jackal]

Are you trying to recraft your own stuff? You don't use the crafting orders for that

[pallid quiver]

You can just go to the workstation to recraft your own stuff

[compact jackal]

^

[crystal canopy]

How do I do that? Do I need a leveled profession?

(Doesn’t do professions but I’m 25 blacksmith)

My crafted item is the lariat

Crafting it was easy placing an order I just need help with upgrading it I have all the mats needed

Cuz the clerk says “start recrafting order” on top left what’s that for if not for upgrading crafted gear ?

[ionic fern]

That is for upgrading crafted gear.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

I can't remember by heart if you can create recrafting orders as Public orders also.

[crystal canopy]

Hm mine must be bugged because it won’t let me type my own name under “To:” let’s me type all my other toons names but not my main

[ionic fern]

I'm really confused what you're trying to achieve.
If you crafted the piece yourself you can go to your normal profession table and upgrade it there if i'm not mistaken.

If you do not have the profession to upgrade the gear then you find someone who does.

And send it to them.

[crystal canopy]

So I don’t have the profession

I had someone else craft it

[ionic fern]

Then you can't send it to yourself (the system won't allow it anyways).

Find someone who can recraft it.

And send it to them.

[crystal canopy]

So I have to manually send it to someone to craft for me? Like find a person in game to upgrade it for me

Ohhh that’s where I got confused

Cuz the first time around you don’t find someone manually

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

But for recrafting you need to find someone.

[crystal canopy]

Thanks I get it now mate

[turbid surge]

Maybe the guy who crafted it for you can recraft it too

[crystal canopy]

Someone else doing it I found on general chat

He said free recrafts for 405 from 402 if it doesn’t proc 405

Never done a upgrade system like this before thru other players it’s a bit confusing to me

[grand saddle]

do walking over the runes on the first boss of shadowmoon

do anything

or just an animation

[ionic fern]

Think it's a slight bit of damage.

[silent anchor]

Can u make a macro that casts SR with one other defensive and it cycles them? Like if ones on cd it casts the next without you pressing 2 buttons

For like the big tank busters in high tyranical

[pearl magnet]

you can do a castsequence macro with a reset timer equal to the first skill cooldown that'd probably cover your need

[rich aspen]

Ok, WTF is up with mages and them being hot garbage in m+? Every time I see one in a group I’m like, “they can’t all be dogshit.” End of dungeon run I’m 35K avg DPS, mage is 32K, and I wonder how I could be so stupid for the 15th time

[ionic fern]

Bad players.

🤷

Much like your 35k.

[rich aspen]

I accept this roast

[ionic fern]

Regardless, pugging is a nightmare

Pugged 2x 19's.
In one they were all doing 80k DPS (including the arcane mage)
In the other 1 was doing 80k DPS and the others were doing 50k.

[zinc spruce]

the windscar whetstone dmg isnt spread among all enemies right

[tulip kelp]

Wait, wtf?

[warm plinth]

capped at 5

[warm plinth]

You can make a macro that casts SR with another defensive, but there's not a way to cycle the other defensive.

[ionic fern]

It's from the Champion's Bulwark talent.

[warm plinth]

I mean you can do a castsequence but those are generally very suboptimal

[tulip kelp]

That's shield charge, not charge tho

[silent anchor]

So you can't queue them essentially in the same macro? Sadge

[tulip kelp]

He's saying you get it when you charge, sounds like that leggo from SL lol

[ionic fern]

Maybe just a typo.

🤷

[ionic fern]

You aim to abuse SR for reflectable mechanics - Intensely staring at Nokhud.

[warm plinth]

You could do like...
/castsequence reset=45,Demoralizing Shout,Shield Wall
/cast Spell Reflection
probably?

But it's a bad idea.

[tulip kelp]

I was asking what the highest threat abilities are because I was having some issues losing aggro within the first 2-3 globals of the pull

[warm plinth]

You don't need to use two defensives at once generally, and you're making them less effective by doing so

[tulip kelp]

@ionic fern Do you know what's the highest priority aoe threat? TC or Revenge? And do you Charge -> SS -> SB into packs in M+ or do you Charge -> TC -> SS -> SB

[finite burrow]

I'm pretty new as warrior tank and I'm pugging easily in 10s and that levels but I'm not sure about when should I use Ignore Pain and Shield Block, I'm basically trying to get the highest uptime possible, If I can press it and is about to expire I'll do it. Someone has an "in-depth" explanation about that or I'm correct?

[ionic fern]

I prefer TC .
Ravager->Charge+SB->TC

[silent anchor]

I abuse Sr for damage in nokud lol broke damage

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure both the WoWHEad and IV guides cover this basic knowledge.

[finite burrow]

I'll search it again, maybe I'm dumb haha

[dark cosmos]

Is there a way to tell what stance you were in in warcraftlogs?

Cant see it in buffs

[wanton shale]

does Details show blocked hits and dmg mitigated by blocks somewhere that i'm missing?

or do i have to log it and view on warcraftlogs to see that level of detail?

[lime urchin]

Logs

[wanton shale]

i'm looking through some of the top M+ logs on there and they seem to be blocking 60-70% of melee hits, but of course they're doing a frantic pace and massive pulls. Should a typical 15-17 key warrior not playing at that level be getting higher than 70% average blocked melee hits?

[ionic fern]

That looks like bad play.

[wanton shale]

what type of numbers are yall getting, i'm gonna start logging to see what I can improve on

ok that looked low to me, thought we were supposed to have SB up a lot more than that

[ionic fern]

85%+ blocked hits should easily be obtainable (ED/HR).

I just checked the HoV 19 i did yesterday and it's at 91%.

[cinder storm]

Many fotm players just pressing IP over anything else

[grim nymph]

How do you live tree boss on +20 and higher? It feels extremely sketchy and my healthbar looks like a yo-yo.

[ionic fern]

Cooldown management.

[grim nymph]

Even with CDs

[cinder storm]

Potion of shocking enclosures helps in one of add phases

[ionic fern]

Jep. 🙂

[silk cliff]

wait i dont pop SW LS and Demo Shout during lust on first add wave?

[grim nymph]

Like demo shout + trinket + last stand wasn't enough for one of them

[ionic fern]

Plan out CD's , not only your own but also your DPS'ers.

[ionic fern]

Of course not o.o

LS does nothing

DS is "ok".

[hazy sluice]

I feel like putting enough tries and time into play, there are a lot ppl at 15-17 keys which aren't that good. I know Maintanks that don't get the idea why the cobalt dmg ring has more value than the tank ring as playing tank. Yet they are at a lvl 17 range while I am at lvl 16 because I play 2 hours a day and they play 10 hours a day since release.

[grim nymph]

The only other CD is wall, which goes on the second burst forth

[cinder storm]

CDs first, potion second, lust third or however it works, helps if you cc branch so it doesn't heals adds when they spawn

[silk cliff]

dont cd first add wave

its bait

always every second

[grim nymph]

Then you die

[ionic fern]

Stun->Kite.

[silk cliff]

just to clarify

[ionic fern]

You don't HAVE to stand in there you know.

[cinder storm]

Can always run aegis, and by adds I mean when they spawn

[ionic fern]

😂

[silk cliff]

how are u getting 4 add waves on fort tho

as in spawns

[grim nymph]

+20 key level. Got almost the 6th

[ionic fern]

[cinder storm]

Staying alive vs killing things faster, killing things fast is what times the key

[hazy sluice]

Yeah they don't listen to me because my RIO score is 200 points lower hah

I mean if it is the ring that secures your survival at 400 ilvl doing lvl 17 keys, not the missing heal from the ring is your problem but misplay

[noble lynx]

There are lot of dogshit players doing 20-21s as well dw

[grim nymph]

I'm 380 ilevel doing +20s KEKW

[cinder storm]

Many bad tanks also get carried by dps

[hazy sluice]

Yeah if u and your team know what your doing your tanks ilvl kinda isn't as important bc of tanks being kinda busted..

[noble lynx]

Im not sure how carriable a tank is this season

I guess prot war is

[cinder storm]

You haven't seen dorki much have you?

[noble lynx]

Are you calling dorki bad?

[cinder storm]

No, but he goes with good dps with his under geared tanks

[noble lynx]

Ok but what im saying is, if your tank plays bad they kinda get fucked for it regardless of ilvl

[silk cliff]

i mean our tank went on his 370 warrior alt. Could tank Shadowmoon 18 no problem

[noble lynx]

Warrior is more forgiving

[cinder storm]

Shadowmoon is a joke of a key tbf

[silk cliff]

it is

[slim musk]

is that nomral that my shield breaks so quickly?

[noble lynx]

Yes

[slim musk]

last dungeon i did my shield broke in the middl eof the bossfight D:

[cinder storm]

Clangclangclang

[slim musk]

so durability weakaura is kind of a must?

[noble lynx]

Anyone has the clip of fem shield breaking in a world first siege key

[hazy sluice]

Yet each time I bring a random they insta cc all the domination channels despite me telling them ten times b4 not to do it

[cinder storm]

You should repair out of habit after every key or after every 5th wipe

[noble lynx]

Not really you can just look at the default durability thing

[silk cliff]

ele shaman copium

[slim musk]

so do i bring a jeeves? cause in dungeons like AV i cant really repair :d

[cinder storm]

"ok but what if someone kicked it" pug hunter who didn't release for 2 mins after dying in that pack

[silk cliff]

ideally you would go in at 100%

and time the key

thus not having to repair

[hazy sluice]

Run out and in to repair. After 5 wipes u wouldn't time it anyways in general

[dark cosmos]

if youre still timing after 5 tank deaths youre blessed by god anyway

[cinder storm]

Jeeves is more a weekly no leavers kinda tool

[silk cliff]

yep

[slim musk]

ah you know what youre right

[noble lynx]

Having jeeves/hammer on you is useful tho

[silk cliff]

yeah aint bad but its a solution to a problem which has deeper roots

[noble lynx]

For that you have the deplete elemental already

[silk cliff]

instead of worrying about repair timing

worry about surviving

cus obv u aint doing something right

[cinder storm]

Unless you'd already wiping before it spawns

[runic cosmos]

in higher keys are we spamming ignore pain?

[silk cliff]

no

[cinder storm]

Nope

[silk cliff]

still same prio

spamming IP = losing rage

which could be spent on SB, Revenge or IP in a better scenario

[runic cosmos]

also thunderous roar and ravager, do you guys see yourself using these?

[silk cliff]

ofc

[hazy sluice]

Always

[cinder storm]

All the time

[hazy sluice]

Check the pins

[slim musk]

theydo insane damage

[hazy sluice]

The m+ build that Nome favors is really well rounded. Take spell block/aegis for e.g. temple and you're good to go

[slim musk]

is it ever better to take tough as nails over spell block?

[wanton shale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/Konkarne?zone=32

on that menu the 99% rank on every dungeon means he got top 1% log on every dungeon?

[cinder storm]

You want spellblock mainly for first boss RLP, temple all the way, and some places in AV, I don't use it much in AV personally

[hazy sluice]

It's like always better. Spell block is kinda only needed for times where u can't survive without it.

[slim musk]

oh so tough as nails really is that good

[hazy sluice]

Because every second u don't need spell block u lose damage by not taking tough as nails

[noble lynx]

Dont look at dungeon parses those are just based on score

[cinder storm]

Both are good

[slim musk]

okay thanks

[hazy sluice]

U want to survive whilst doing the most damage as you can. So tough as nails increases your damage, spell block doesn't. So the thought here is that you only take spell block if u HAVE to

[slender wedge]

is elemental lariat the only must embellished?

[noble lynx]

Wouldnt call it a must

[wanton shale]

ahh ok just starting to learn how to use warcraftlogs, prolly shouldn't be looking at the top ones though cuz they play completely different pace and pull pattern lol

[cinder storm]

You should look at their casts and rage management if you want to study logs

[noble lynx]

Always ignore dungeon parses

Most of the time they arent even based on logs

[solar crown]

Has anyone used the spellreflectTracker in pins, and moved the spellreflect-icon into another group?
I'm wondering if it will still be able to flash when there is a spell that is reflectable, even though the variable used is defined somewhere else. I'm not that familiar with how WA works when it comes to variables

[noble lynx]

Just pulled off of leaderboard

[wanton shale]

he's the guy who has 60-70% blocked melee hits on all his runs but he has some beastly clears. Being 413 ilvl with good team prolly helps that bit lol

[onyx matrix]

Totally

[ionic fern]

FOTM rerollers.

[pine locust]

just got the sword from NO that has chance to do bonus damage, is that not better than the one from algethar cause of the proc?

[ionic fern]

You can be a slacker tank but you'll still be high ranked if you got solid DPS'ers/healers.

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[pine locust]

Okay thanks, just wanted to double check cause WoWhead was saying the haste vers sword is better

[cinder storm]

Ilvl btw

[noble lynx]

Depends on class

[pine locust]

398 ilevel on the sword

[cinder storm]

If both are similar ilvl you can equip whatever Sims higher for you, but whichever is higher ilvl is the one you use

[pine locust]

i was debating dumping valor on this sword if the proc is good thats why i was wondering if its the same ilevel whats better

[ionic fern]

It's really simple.

[cinder storm]

Strike twice is just like 1% of your overall

[ionic fern]

All sword have stats.
Strike Twice has a proc AND stats.

It's better than other same ilvl swords.

[lavish oracle]

Rumbling ruby kinda sick

[pine locust]

hmm kk ill probably use it then

[cinder storm]

And if you are planning on using valor, at least wait for your vault first

[pine locust]

yeah I'll wait for tuesday

just incase it comes out of the vault at 415 or something

[cinder storm]

I'm still rocking a 385 chest

[wanton shale]

do yall ever drop shockwave for the low CD Thunderous Roar talent for more dmg if the group already has 2 AE stuns, like if playing with some combo of DH/Warlock/Monk?

[cinder storm]

I don't rely on dps

[hazy sluice]

More cc is always better in m+ 😄

That may not be true for the 0.1% key pusher

But for us mere mortals it is

[wanton shale]

ok i just need to work on my dmg just by playing better and not giving up key abilities lol

[mental scarab]

@wanton shale kinda like the instant treath with shockwave and the 2 talents under it when my frends go UGH UGH SMASH in the start of every pull

[void bramble]

I should put armor spikes on the molten defender right?

[cinder storm]

Pins

[cold pollen]

how do you guys manage aoe agro in high keys ? i find myself havinf trouble in big pack, especially when i run spell block.

[lavish oracle]

Does anyone know is the attack power from rumbling ruby added before % modifiers or after?

So is it being modified by mastery and BS or no?

[cinder storm]

Ravager, revenge, challenging shout, thunderous roar, TC, take your pick

[urban portal]

Tbf it doesn’t really matter they much

But would ask in simc discord

[lavish oracle]

Was just curious, just got it earlier and my damage went up more than I expected

[tulip kelp]

So sophic devotion over frozen even for M+?

[urban portal]

Frozen is purely damage

Sophic is less damage more survival

[tulip kelp]

Ahh ok

Cheers

[blazing condor]

can you reset skill trees for professions?

[buoyant tiger]

No

[blazing condor]

unless you unlearn the profession ig lol

[buoyant tiger]

probably lol

[blazing condor]

checked it out apparently its saved anyway

[buoyant tiger]

pretty weird for such a complicated system to be permanent like that

Is there a cap for Shield Block Uptime? Or can I just (theoretically) use 2x Shield Block + Shield Charge to get a high stacking uptime of Shield Block?

(3x6s so 18s in this case)

[ionic fern]

The cap is 3x duration.

So without ED it's 3x6, with ED it's 3x8

Bolster breaks the cap so you can go higher.

[buoyant tiger]

Cool thanks!

[zealous grove]

Would anyone be able to tell me why the spell reflect weakaura literally never shows or does anything for me

am i missing something very obvious?

[blazing condor]

do you have name plates enabled?

[zealous grove]

im using plater

[north dew]

Got warrior last night nerfed? i get alot more dmg than last night

[ionic fern]

Nope.

[noble lynx]

Check your stance

[north dew]

😄

battlestance same as yesterday

[urban portal]

Yeah they just nerfed your character

No one else’s

You were threatening naowh spot on echo

[north dew]

why so toxic @urban portal

it was a normal question if the warri got nerfed. Maybe i oversee a hotfix. Mwahi and Scytherr answered good. Why you joking on me?

[urban portal]

Because common sense is a wonderful thing

There will be a wowhead post, a pin, people raging both on here and forums, and maybe even a change.org petition

Wowhead will MAKE SURE you know if something is nerfed

Not to mention balance changes don’t get pushed out until weekly resets

[north dew]

shut up. i will block you.

[ionic fern]

I find it amusing how people say "I will block you" as a threat.

Why would anyone care if they were blocked?

😂

Or why would you announce it?

[blazing condor]

also how would they know 🤔

[ionic fern]

What's the reasoning?:D

[marble cipher]

Also, it's prot warrior discord, blocking is what we do

[urban portal]

I already blocked you

I didn’t need to announce it

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

You're all blocked for me.

[urban portal]

I just did it

[ionic fern]

So it's fine.

[cursive temple]

Just came back from lunch and here we are in the middle of the drama

[blazing condor]

Mwahi it's not christmas anymore can i have another name

[urban portal]

Mwahi can you name change

[blazing condor]

xd

[ionic fern]

You still have a christmas hat.

So....

[urban portal]

If so can you clear my nick

[cinder jackal]

Morning guys.
Any advice on crafted gear and embellishments?
Is it as simple as going for lariat with Armor spikes as a prio?

[cursive temple]

[orchid frigate]

any good tactics for clearing the first ring in AV in a safe manner? usually a patrol makes things messy and move mobs around with frontals in that area can easily screw the group

[weak snow]

how good is pain and gain talent? id love to take bounding strike instead -.- can i skip that? 😄 and what about bolster vs spell block? :>

[blazing condor]

i play bounding stride and it feels very fine

not having pain and gain i mean

[urban portal]

I’d would definitely drop like

Side arm

For pain and gain

[marble cipher]

you can take P&G + Bounding

I do that, and dropped side arm

[blazing condor]

wait i do have pain and gain iirc

[flat vapor]

its neat but not needed if you dont drrop alot might aswell just drop it and geth bounding stride

[lean zephyr]

can anyone explain how damage to the raid from the tank beam in last phase of raz works? is it just a flat amount or something else?

[cursive temple]

spikes>spell block (only if you really need it)>bolster

[weak snow]

what is spikes?

[cursive temple]

the more you take, the more damage raid receives?

[blazing condor]

yeah i play both pain and gain and bounding stride

took away honed reflexes

[weak snow]

im playing m+ mainly btw not raiding as tank

[cursive temple]

Tough as Nails

[visual musk]

whats the consensus on the alchemy stone trinkets? yay or nay

[upbeat salmon]

how would i go about telling raidbots to use shockwave for dps ?

[weak snow]

ähm, and what do i have what you dont? 😄

[weak snow]

omg i didnt even see that talent yet, it sounds amazing ty ❤️

[blazing condor]

dont play storm bolt

[ionic fern]

What

[weak snow]

wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[blazing condor]

but playing storm bolt is probably better

[ionic fern]

You play Storm Bolt in any dungeon

100% of the time.

[weak snow]

no storm bolt is.... blashemy

[cursive temple]

If you're playing prot warrior on raz, then last phase is simple for you, 1st beam - SR + Spell block, 2nd beam SR + Wall, make sure you use those 2

[weak snow]

for me its only pain and gain vs bounding, and bounding is for sure just to feel better, i dont think it is acutally better 😄

[lean zephyr]

ya i think i played it fine since i never really dropped hp on either of the beams but the raid took dmg still

[blazing condor]

its nice on some bosses

[flat vapor]

same hodor who needs storrmbolt rright? xD

[lean zephyr]

like i stayed pretty much full, so im guessing its regardless of mitigation that the raid takes damage. i over cd'ed it just wanted to see if i could use less there

[flat vapor]

ohh wait i mean same dog hodor uses stormbolt xD

[cursive temple]

@weak snow bolster for m+ is useless, ur SB uptime should be ok without it, spell block is good only for some dungeons like RLP or TJS, so Tough as Nails is usually the default option for damage, damage = good

[blazing condor]

but yeah i probably gotta spec into storm bolt i just dont like it tbf

[weak snow]

can i play m+ like this? or any hard fails in there?

[ionic fern]

You can.

But i wouldn't.

[blazing condor]

i'd play show of force over thunderlord

[lofty widget]

battering ram over BSV as well

[blazing condor]

oh yeah didnt see that

[weak snow]

teach me senpai, what should i change? :>

[ionic fern]

Take SoF.
Put the BSV point into either TL or Battering Ram.

[honest vale]

Why not both? 👀

[cursive temple]

There's probably some damage that raid would take no matter how much defence you use, just to spice it up, unless you immune the beam with bubble, I guess.

[upbeat salmon]

what's the haste i'm looking at to switch from HR to ITF ?

[ionic fern]

What ever.

[flat vapor]

ok bois, how bad is it? xD

[weak snow]

what is TL

[blazing condor]

thunderlord

[visual musk]

no ravager???

[flat vapor]

xD

i dont like it

[upbeat salmon]

why take second wind ?

[glacial flint]

is it loaded ? is it updated?

[urban portal]

Then don’t take enduring alacrity

That’s just a bad talent

[flat vapor]

ohh my bad thats just for open world stuff

[upbeat salmon]

again why

you don't take damage

in openworld

[weak snow]

we happy? 👀

[ionic fern]

No.

But that talent build is OK now je.

[weak snow]

why arent we happy? D:

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED NOW?!?!?!

[flat vapor]

true i just like it xD dunno why i take it

[weak snow]

OK sound like ... not the best still QQ

[visual musk]

battering ram over thunderlord?

[ionic fern]

Both work. Pick your poison.

[blazing condor]

idk

[ionic fern]

So be it.

[blazing condor]

[cursive temple]

I would probably take TL over Punish, to spam Demo in packs for damage, on fortified weeks at least

[ionic fern]

Better?

[ionic fern]

NO.

You don't drop punish.

If you want to drop something for TL then it's Battering Ram.

Everything else is pretty much set in stone.

[cursive temple]

Then Battering ram for TL

[blazing condor]

name checks out tyvm

[compact dove]

Do we have a blacksmith for dethecus realmpool for crafting weap 405 🙂 ?

[cursive temple]

I like demo spam 😦

[inland raft]

People seeing several of top rio wars like greg and fem not taking punish and blindly copying i feel like

Punish is so good though

[weak snow]

is TL or BR more aoe damage? 😄 or is it the same? from reading TL sounds overall a better pick but i know nothing ...

[blazing condor]

only problem i have with TL is that it de-syncs your cds

[ionic fern]

According to sims BR is more AoE dps.

[inland raft]

Br sims higher in both aoe/st cuz the extra rage gain

[ionic fern]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[cursive temple]

BR doesnt give rage, how's it extra?

[ionic fern]

It's the auto attack speed/damage.

And Devastator.

[cursive temple]

But booming voice and more demo shouts = more rage as well, so it +- equal?

In terms of rage generation

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[noble lynx]

Whats br

[prisma crane]

battering ram

[noble lynx]

Oooh ye

[cursive temple]

Nah, I don't copy top tier dudes, they are on their own game there, who knows what's their plan. I'd better ask ppl here 🙂

[prisma crane]

the only reason you'd not take punish is strictly for more AoE imo

and its not worth the tradeoff otherwise, plus its more dmg taken if you drop it

[cursive temple]

Yeah, that's why I said forti weeks

[prisma crane]

yea but even then, the DR is still nice and bosses still take time

[cursive temple]

True

[prisma crane]

its really only if you're looking to parse on like council or some shit

[ionic fern]

I wouldn't drop it, ever.

[cursive temple]

The only hesitation left for me is Into the Fray over HR how bad is this idea?

[ionic fern]

If you want to run ITF then you take Bolster.

To cover the SB.

[cursive temple]

I tried dropping it for BR, was fun, but I didn't do any proper comparisons

[upbeat salmon]

More haste is good though

[cursive temple]

Yeah, but then you have a small window in SB uptime

W/o HR

Does BSV work with oneshots like BDKs purg, btw?

[ionic fern]

No.

It doesn't apply to the hit that brings you below 30%.

It's intended to work like that.

[cursive temple]

Then it sounds like not so good of a choice

[bold bolt]

how my fellow tanks use the world markers? i still use the default UI stuff, need to change that. any recommending?

[cursive temple]

They could've made it a cheat death, but with 6 min cd

[median tulip]

Just consider it Untalented

[cursive temple]

[wraith onyx]

can also use addon opie for world marker placing

[bold bolt]

thats was i looking for! thank you so much!

[wraith onyx]

you're welcome. You can also configure different things, trinkets, potions etc etc. Anything you want pretty much

[heavy temple]

Since I got no passive trinkets that are acutally good, Im running blazebinder and whetstone, not sure though which one I should prioritize, or if should just send both on CD with only slight delays to align them with avatar, and which one do you send first?

[dry spear]

just watched sense raszageth video. how can u make her look transparent?

[ionic fern]

Enchanted dust.

[dry spear]

thank you

[heavy temple]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=112321/enchanted-dust#comments This item?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[heavy temple]

tyvm

[heavy temple]

can you link or pm me the video please?

[ionic fern]

Youtube.com -> Search->Sense Raszageth

[heavy temple]

oh god lol

[dry spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQ7uO3bH7U

[heavy temple]

I read over "sense"

sorry, and thanks

[dense coral]

Is this still considered BiS? (if you dont raid) >> Ruby Whelp Shell

[mortal brook]

Its okay but not best

[ionic fern]

It hasn't been considered bis..ever i think.

[dense coral]

Yeh its on the wowhead bis list 😄

[honest vale]

It's not BiS.

It's on the list more as an honorable mention.

Don't seek it, and if you have it and use it, seek a replacement immediately.

[steel mauve]

its at the bottom of B ranking on wowhead, i wouldnt say thats bis, there are only 2 trinkets under it on that list

[stoic relic]

Guys. I need some insight on trinkets. I have the below trinkets at my disposal. I have clueless at to which is good to use for each scenario. Thank you in advance for you help.

[blazing condor]

B = Bis

[cursive temple]

I would go with Scale and Seed just for raw strength, but those are all "meh" except the Hoof (but 359 is kinda low)

[sick sentinel]

any must have macro for prot warr?

[steel mauve]

cancelaura bop on every thing 😉

[blazing condor]

no must haves but its nice to have one button to change stances and also mouseovers for charge etc

[vocal nimbus]

how do you set up sims for m+?

[wicked plank]

Hey guys, dunno if it has been answered somewhere, but is there any hardcap that we must not goes past for stats like haste / crit ?
I'm using a lot raidbot to determine what items to gets and it says to me that duskwatch guard's boots (crit haste) are less dps gain than stonestep boots (criti mastery). I dunno if I have to trust it or not tbh ?
Stats atm : 3315 crit / 3569 haste / 1620 vers / 690 mastery

[exotic rapids]

Can someone tell me what those 2 buffs are?

[wicked plank]

right is the healer trinket from raid (passive hp and vers)

[mystic warren]

The left one is avoidance given by monks and the right one is the healer trinket from diurna

[high drum]

broodkeepers promise on the right

[exotic rapids]

nice thank you!

[blazing condor]

are they same ilvl?

[wicked plank]

Yes, simulating on gear compare 411 ilvl. Stonestep is +~300. Duskwatch +~110

Stats atm : 3315 crit / 3569 haste / 1620 vers / 690 mastery

[blazing condor]

to answer the question you dont really stop collecting a stat after certain thresholds, however you get diminishing returns eventually

[lofty widget]

if you have a lot of one stat and not very much of another it's pretty normal for the last to sim highger

[wicked plank]

yeah but diminishing return hit at +30% of the stats, no ?

[wicked plank]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bQwe1UELzda1Si8xYgV7DM the report to be accurate

[maiden bluff]

What u guys think are the 2 best embell crafted items? neck and ring?

[high drum]

ring?

what ring?

neck, wrists, fang adorn or spike are the good ones i believe

[wary plume]

i checked a log last night and saw i only had ~50% uptime on 2p bonus - should i try to game it to be higher or just whatever

[ancient reef]

thoughts

i am going into normal each week without an issue so can probably get tier from there

should i go for trinket or is it shit as prot

[limpid anchor]

Why can you get the tier from normal but not the trinket?

[limpid anchor]

I have like 80%

[ancient reef]

cause other people are prio for trinket

but chest is 20ilvl

[limpid anchor]

Also, not a great trinket

[ancient reef]

and trinket is only 15

[maiden bluff]

i have only the lariat for now , i was thinking about the use of my next spark

[ancient reef]

@limpid anchor so chest to make 2 set is better

[limpid anchor]

He means what ring you mean

[maiden bluff]

this is my situation

[limpid anchor]

Like personally I wouldn’t use the trinket, as it’s less dps then alternatives

But it’s not bad, just not great

[maiden bluff]

i explained myself wrong sry, im just curious about what piece i should craft know

[limpid anchor]

Not the ring

Also

[maiden bluff]

ty

[ancient reef]

should i make that frostfire belt

as well as lariat

[high drum]

do you have a ring for it?

if not, no

[indigo osprey]

I would go for lariat, wep and shield +spikes

[ancient reef]

can you only have 2 embellishments

and will they ever increase it

[tawny swallow]

are the alchemy trinkets any good for us?

[sweet summit]

yes

[sweet summit]

no idea

[sweet summit]

not really

[brittle owl]

erga really negative with this new edgy pfp

[blazing condor]

maelkenar less based with his no giraffe pfp

[stoic elm]

aa how are you guys dealing with tree boss in pugs

[sweet summit]

real

[blazing condor]

stack on tank and move clockwise

[stoic elm]

im having trouble mainitaing threat

[limpid anchor]

Kill it faster than it kills us

[stoic elm]

team wiping

[limpid anchor]

Roar for one, aoe taunt for the other

[blazing condor]

you only need aggro on the 2nd germinate so you can make sure you got challenging shout / ravager / whatever

for that one

[limpid anchor]

Also, shocking potion is really good

[stoic elm]

hmm

how do figure out when you use shout to maintain aggro

cuz they dont insta start attacking

is there some way i can track it

[upbeat salmon]

i read somewhere you build threat before they pop

[sweet summit]

when the boss casts burst forth the awaken

[stoic elm]

oh thank you.

can i some how track it though

like some wa or tmw

just to make it simpler for me

[sweet summit]

dbm/bw lw has timer for it

[stoic elm]

umm whats dmb/bw

big wigs?

[blazing condor]

deadly moss bods

[sweet summit]

deadly boss mods
big wigs+little wigs

[stoic elm]

ok cool

[sick sentinel]

deadly moss bods must refer to the tree of AA

[wraith onyx]

Not protection related, but if i level up an alt today. Am i eligible to get 3 sparks right of the bat? Or will I miss out on the first 2 that we aquired?

[void summit]

If you recraft an item can you switch embellishment?

[edgy grail]

You can get all

[edgy grail]

Yes

[sweet summit]

i'd assume you'll be eligible for all 3 sparks

[wraith onyx]

Beast, thank you 🙂

[sick sentinel]

theres a chance you might be reputation locked

but i cant see why not

cuz the campaign main story quest is locked behind rep gates

[steel mauve]

just need to do the final story quest near the end of the main campaign

at least the one in valdraxxus i think

[upbeat salmon]

Valdrakken

Thaldrazus

massive mash-up there 🙂

localized ?

[sick sentinel]

i would probably quest in a zone called veldraxxus

[steel mauve]

ya i keep calling it valdraxxus for some reason, even in my head when i actually read the name

[lusty tiger]

Maldraxxus

[honest vale]

When people don’t LoS the plants in the beginning of Vault and so you get 2-3 stacks of Vapor.

[upbeat salmon]

just kill em before they stack

[onyx inlet]

how viable is prot as a levelling spec?

[upbeat salmon]

very

you wont die

ever

[onyx inlet]

😄

so no need to worry about a dps spec right now? (just brought DF)

[upbeat salmon]

not really

[warm plinth]

No, but fwiw fury is really comfortable to level as too.

[upbeat salmon]

i mean unless you want to

^

yeah fury feels good too

but protwar is pretty nice

[warm plinth]

basically just pick based on what weapons you already have imo

[upbeat salmon]

"kill 20 mobs", do it in one pull

[onyx inlet]

my gear is pretty much all 226, i stopped SL at the end of nathria really

[upbeat salmon]

yeah i'd probably roll prot, 226 ilvl is kinda meh

[onyx inlet]

way out of place i know but if i do setup fury do i need to worry about slam on my bars?

[warm plinth]

Not if you're using the normal leveling build

[onyx inlet]

tyty

[warm plinth]

As long as the build doesn't have Annihilator in it, you can take slam off your bars

[lunar finch]

whats a good uptime on shieldblock in m+ ?

[lyric elm]

100%

[covert topaz]

Quick one about rings, I have the cobalt ring along with the COS ring, but I have a 405 haste verse ring, at what point is it best to swap off the cobalt ring? obv sims are going to say cobalt cause of the damage proc

[lyric elm]

you want to run the tank ring

[safe shale]

I feel like if you're in the 80% range overall then that's basically 100% during actual damage intake, no?

[lyric elm]

it gives about 10% mitigation

that ring is basically bis so

you cant really sim survivability

if you die you put on more, if you dont you put on more dps

[stuck herald]

is there a way to macro def stance into a cd, but when you already have def stance active that it does nothing? else it deactivates def stance😅

[cursive temple]

Probably integrate stance-switching macro there somehow

Play with the one you have in

[sweet summit]

/cast shield wall
/cast !defensive stance

can do like that

[stuck herald]

thanks!

[sweet summit]

there is, it's [stance:x]

kinda yeah
gems you have in sockets determine which secondary stat proc you can get

[dire matrix]

yes

I got the fire dmg ring from raid, is there any way to proc it as prot

ik leather can make an item that does fire dmg

does plate have any options

[sweet summit]

not without external factors
belt is an option

it's not random, no
it's tied to the element of the gem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271021613938376704/1052271092225540166/image.png

[dire matrix]

would you say belt is a good option

or just take the ring for ilvl rn and replace

its only @382 ilvl

[sweet summit]

sounds like a sim question

[dire matrix]

its kind of a annoying sim to run is belt worth vs crafting a different slot + can farm 405 ring

[twilit drift]

at same ilvl which weapon is better

[dire matrix]

and also all embellish options

[twilit drift]

Spellbane cutlass or strike twice

[dire matrix]

cuz flaring cowl for instance is extremely good in its own right

[warm plinth]

This infographic is weird. Like why wouldn't you just be like hey if you want haste proc, use these, if you want mastery proc, use these. No one cares what the gem type is; they care what procs what. Just a strange way to convey the information.

[dire matrix]

so the ring adds more value

the weapon question is an actually easy sim

[warm plinth]

I gotta put up with you in here now too? smh

[dire matrix]

😂

[twilit drift]

Yeah strike twice beat up spellbane at same ilvl

😦

[dire matrix]

does 418 crafted beat both tho

unless u vault the wep

[twilit drift]

😮

[dire matrix]

yes

they are incorrect

its based on the element of the gem

[limpid anchor]

Btw it’s not on lariat only

I have a haste crit gem in helmet

And get crit procs

[dire matrix]

got logs

contradicts what ive seen elsewhere

[warm plinth]

It doesn't care if the gems are in the necklace. It's any gem in your gear (except the primalist gem ofc)

[dire matrix]

if true interesting

and good to know

[warm plinth]

If I ever get another socket I will get you a log for proof lol

[dire matrix]

if its just a known fact thats ok

[crude notch]

It's true

[dire matrix]

just was told otherwise in other discords

[crude notch]

And a known fact

[dire matrix]

great

[warm plinth]

It's a known fact that Jordan is a cutie

[limpid anchor]

My gear doesn’t load for whatever reason

But only got a crit socket in helm

[dire matrix]

kk

pesky people misleading

😭

[limpid anchor]

Everyone just baited with the neck anyway

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure Glania of the Blessed Ones is my favorite NPC in Dragonflight

😂

[drifting socket]

how broken is prot warrior tier, I've yet to get any of it yet

4p seems very strong

[marble cipher]

Which one would be better overall (considering same ilvl), Blazebinder's Hoof or Windscar Whetstone for keys, using Decoration of Flame as the other trinket.
Or, is the correct answer here: Blazebinder + Whetstone? (though my decoration is higher ilvl and the only one giving mainstat, so kinda wanna keep at least one trinket with mainstat)

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-xZpGxqMOZM tank life

[sweet summit]

[marble cipher]

Dungeon Slice still bad right?

[sweet summit]

it's a good boost defensively, doesn't hold a lot of offensive value though

[drifting socket]

doesn't it allow you play battle stance more often though
since the more damage you do the more ignore pain you'll get from it, so it's like a sudo damage buff by not relying on defensive stance as much

[fading tide]

Anyone got any tips for the tree boss in a azure

[sweet summit]

reflect his tank thingy and aim frontal at middle+something else if possible
look where others are going with big circle to clear what's left

[sweet summit]

i haven't found defensive stance to be something i need to stay in for a prolonged amount of time yet. playing comfortably in battle stance most of the time, and using defensive stance as a defensive cd

[sick sentinel]

i need to be more proactive with reflects and spell blocks and use them are better times in general still

[cosmic pond]

This is the way. Takes some time to get used to swapping frequently but def stance should be seen as a defensive cd not as a perma thing

Unless you get perma pummeled I guess

[wise oak]

In regards to the tree boss in azure span, what's the best way to position boss/healing add to be in the circle but keep boss out?

[sweet summit]

boss can be in the circle

[wise oak]

I've been lied to for so long

[cosmic pond]

Boss doesn't get healed only the lashers and players do

[drifting socket]

boss does get healed

[cosmic pond]

Really? How much? 🤔

[drifting socket]

depends on key level

450k in the journal

[wise oak]

Is it an amount worth trying to keep him out? Seems chaotic enough, most of the time adds are spawning while I try to stay in circle

[sweet summit]

not enough for me to care

19 tyrann

[wise oak]

Huh, yeah I'll stop fucking with it then

[fading tide]

You guys still do rares and the world events?

[cosmic pond]

I checked a 20 fort vod and it was like 1.8% so not worth the headache of moving it out of the circle and fucking up positioning of lashers

[inland raft]

So is itf pretty much the default play now? I see a ton using it

[wise oak]

Is it normal for lashers to be spawning same time circle goes off? Usually everyone's in the circle then everything goes to hell once adds fill it and knock everyone around

[drifting socket]

you want to kill the big add

after

the lashers come out

get it to 20% ish

wait for uproot

then kill it

[wise oak]

Ah so dps need to chill

[drifting socket]

when uproot happens everyone gets clocked to 20-30% hp

the heal from the add will bring everyone back up

also means you won't run into the issue of trying to be in the circle while germination is happening

[wise oak]

Right, I'll try that next time

[cosmic pond]

You either pop it if you have the damage to kill it before germination happens, or do what zanzagg said and leave it for after

[drifting socket]

this

in low keys you can pop it before

in high keys it's too tight

seen so many dps get clapped by germination while trying to stay in the circle

[remote dawn]

is there a list of little tricks somewhere, for example nokud last boss ranking boy the stone?

[cosmic pond]

Not sure how high the keys would have to be for it to be pointless to even try. We tried it in 19 and we could first two in our comp. But we use evoker staff to pop the 2nd one

[drifting socket]

there is a youtuber called quazii wow

he does 1 minute M+ tricks and tips videos

would recommend

[remote dawn]

oooh sexy thanks

[deep spruce]

Is the whispering incarnate trinket bis for us?

[strong forum]

It's bis for everybody in the game

Every tank, every dps and every healer

[cerulean barn]

In Nok on last boss I’m struggling to get the 4 adds grouped up, any tips on this other than begging your pug group to kick them in

[drifting socket]

group need to help you

[sterile moss]

N00B question, learning prot for the first time. I hear a lot of people talk about 100% shield block uptime. However charge time is 14 seconds while buff uptime is 8 seconds. How do I maintain 100% uptime if the 2 charges gives me 16 seconds uptime?

[drifting socket]

assign kicks to all 4 adds and just keep aggro so they clump

[placid oar]

Hi Warriors

[frozen rose]

Are they just random casters those adds?

[olive steeple]

There are lots of talents and other abilities that give shield block

[drifting socket]

the talent "heavy repurcussions" and the ability shield charge coupled with champions bulwark allows you to achieve the uptime

[placid oar]

Hi Warriors, I manage to craft a 418 weapon. May i know if Sophic or Frozen is better? I tried looking at raider io but would appreciate some guidance

[sterile moss]

Thanks both of you! Makes sense, so I want to use one charge, maintain for as long as I can then refresh it as its about to fall off. And if it falls off and I have a gap I shield charge. Makes sense! Thanks.

[olive dirge]

Anyone know what overall embellishment damage is better to run with on a prot warrior centered around M+ tanking?

Fang Adornments on weapon
or
Armor spikes on armour?

Assistance or dungeon damage breakdowns would be appreciated

[cosmic pond]

On higher keys you probably cc one or even two adds anyway on that boss tbf because they take too long to die and you won't have enough stops

[drifting socket]

you don't need to wait until it runs out, I think you can get 18 seconds of shield block if you overlap charges

[cerulean barn]

Thanks. Hopefully the phase gets smoother throughout the season

[noble lynx]

You can just kick into group up, aoe stops until kicks again, and lust them, that requires some coordination but we are talking high keys

[cosmic pond]

You need pretty specific comps to have enough stops for that though on high keys

[stoic elm]

does this mean anything

should i even compare tank and healers overall healing

[cosmic pond]

Or high damage

[limpid anchor]

If people can’t interrupt they don’t deserve keys anyway

Not everything is just the tank

[broken light]

what embellishments do you guys rock (other than lariat)

[sweet summit]

no

[limpid anchor]

Yes

Always be above the heals :<

[stoic elm]

been trying to time +15 aa whole day - one team fks up tree and the other at crawth.

😦

[limpid anchor]

Just queue for sbg if you need it for vault

Impossible to fail that

[stoic elm]

not vault io

tru

[limpid anchor]

Ah well

Then have fun :)

[warm plinth]

why is it bis if it's just a vers stick if you don't have another infusion present? 🤔 I feel like that caveat has to be stated.

[strong forum]

Well OK, its bis if multiple people in your group have it

Just like heraldry was bis for the same reason

[warm plinth]

yeh

[dire matrix]

heroic council wep pog

just need 2 get rid of my 4 blues now

[sleek rock]

so what is the actual consensus for crafts with spakrs? i see some lariat/wep/shield and some lariat/wep/wrist

[dire matrix]

i might just fix my lowest ilvl slots

that are good embellishes

idk

[mystic radish]

Hello my friends 🙂 Sorry for asking but I had an argument with some friends about the desired 2ndary stats for prot warrior.
They said after Haste I gotta dump everything I can into Vers. Me loving Haste - Vers do already play with most of my gear on vers. Might it be better to prio crit a little bit over vers? ty for answering 🙂

[shut nova]

how long are you guys keeping your cobalt rings for ?

[magic iris]

Hey guys, im new to tanking and i was wonering wether or not i actually need to ever manually apply rend

[dire matrix]

no

rend and slam do not need to be on yoru bars

[magic iris]

do i need to use ww ever?

[shut nova]

nope

[magic iris]

cool thanks ^^

[fading tide]

Anyone got any good shield mogs? All mine are lame looking

[limpid anchor]

But it’s 360

Revenge isn’t

[mystic radish]

I went with this one

[peak lily]

Google hidden artifact prot warrior

[warm plinth]

Crit and vers are approximately equal. You can sim for DPS but defensively it doesn't particularly matter much.

[mystic radish]

ty 🙂
thought about crit maybe being better due to higher crit block chance

[lime urchin]

Who cares about stats

Just press revenj more often

[warm plinth]

That's not how crit block works

Crit affects parry chance and ability crits. Only mastery increases your crit block chance.

[lime urchin]

Most people will increase their dps more by pressing revenj more than focussing on stats

[mystic radish]

Oh okay ty x: im stupid then

[fiery wasp]

hey every1, is there a crafting priority?

i did weapon and lariat

[lime urchin]

See pins

[grim nymph]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys use when all the lashers burst out on +20 and higher keys? I was getting meleed for 16k apiece (yes, that is blocked), and looking at logs, people are getting hit for half that on +22.

I don't think my 372 shield accounts for all the difference.

[limpid anchor]

Shield is huge

Also def cds

[grim nymph]

16k is with demo shout up, and wall isn't available for each one. (It's available for burt forth #1 and #3.)

[toxic pewter]

Dang 372 shield so low… when you get a higher one you’ll be so much more tanky

[warm plinth]

Logs would be helpful

And yeah shield is pretty huge

[robust quiver]

what mog is this? How's the shield called?

[grim nymph]

Surprisingly, there is a log for mine:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hXJFM6wmCjd7VW49#fight=6&type=summary&start=9068675&end=9231809

And this is the log I was looking at: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jPdc91QAkRYZGw7K#fight=3&type=resources&start=2683572&end=2718873&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24175916356.0.0.Warrior%24false%24871^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24175916356.0.0.Warrior%24false%2412975^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241160^0%24Separate%24%23DF5353%24damage%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24388923&source=1

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, he has a 415 shield, you have a 372. That's massive.

You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. You just need to make a shield.

[strong forum]

It's defo shield lol

40ilvl diff on shield is an inhumane difference

There's a reason why we say it's the most important slot defensively for us

And you just found out why

[grim nymph]

That big?

[warm plinth]

yes

[strong forum]

Well you have come up with the proof yourself

With a 415 you block almost twice as much dmg as a 372

[grim nymph]

That explains taking almost 100k DPS through shield wall >.>

[loud zinc]

You also didn't clear your second bleed which is why you were getting blasted near the end

[strong forum]

Block value comes from shield ilvl, block value determines how much % of dmg you actually reduce with blocking

Not to mention the huge amount of armor gained from shield is also important

[grim nymph]

Yeah, bleed clear was me trying not to heal the lashers.

[loud zinc]

It happens for sure, just that if that happens it leaves a lot less IP and stuff to deal with the melee hits

[grim nymph]

Out of curiosity, how much armor mitigation % do you have and how much block mitigation %?

[strong forum]

Idk I've not logged in in like 5 days

[onyx matrix]

What are you guys excited for on vault day?

[blazing condor]

🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

i mean its not vault day

and nothing

because i dont get good loot in vaults

[onyx matrix]

"Have hope" for a certain item then? xD

[steep wraith]

tier legs would be lovely

[strong forum]

I still have to do a key

Otherwise I don't have a vault

But I don't hope for anything special anymore no, I got all the cool shit now it's just ilvl and tier

[blazing condor]

id want a better trinket

got blazing essence still

[grim nymph]

I want a trinket that isn't dragon game kickballs or a 421 shield to replace my 372.

[onyx matrix]

You can always craft one if you have a spark left 😄

[toxic pewter]

Not using a spark on shield this week when you haven’t had any luck with drops seems crazy to me

Gotta shield up boys

[grim nymph]

Eh, nothing else felt remotely threatening until I did 20 AA

[toxic pewter]

You’ll feel a lot tankier when you get your shield I bet

Gonna own

[coarse grotto]

is there anyway to SIM our gear for Tanks? Like top gear for dps?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, just like anyone else sims

It sims for DPS though, not survival

[coarse grotto]

but thats for dps

[onyx matrix]

Had a ret pala set his main spec roll as tank and he stole the shield from eranog hc from me and the other pala tank. 😦

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's impossible to sim for survival

Higher ilevel = more stats = more survival

[toxic pewter]

Dang that’s messed up

[onyx matrix]

Yeah, he got kicked after though xD

[toxic pewter]

Was that a pug

[coarse grotto]

ok thought maybe we had a Tank sim some where

[onyx matrix]

Yeah ofcourse

[toxic pewter]

He prob did it for transmog

The shield looks cool if I say so

[onyx matrix]

True but I prefer the normal version 😄

[toxic pewter]

Yah the blue is a bit weird I would reverse normal and heroic colors

But alas I am sporting a lot of blue

[onyx matrix]

True 😄

[toxic pewter]

lol

[somber sky]

Do I need to kill the 2 sentrys at the gate in HoV once the wing bosses are dead to open the gate? thinking of doing the 5cow pull and bear pull both to skip the sentries and a couple packs in the bar. I'm debating if I can do a combo with the storm drake and cows

[warm plinth]

No, going near the gate will open it

[strong forum]

The storm drake will eat the deer to power up

So uh, avoid that

[toxic pewter]

Interesting I didn’t know that

[marble cipher]

🤔

[toxic pewter]

Can you invis pot past those two sentries I take it

[warm plinth]

yeah, or shroud

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know if they fixed the mead trick on the 4 mini boss guys toward the end? I tried it yesterday and didn’t get it to work I must of messed it up I guess

[marble cipher]

I've only ever did the "one mead" thing, and that still worked yesterday

[somber sky]

dont' get in combat before taking the bridge or the mead disappears

[toxic pewter]

Ok so I messed it up

[toxic pewter]

Yah I mean I was able to throw the mead

Guess I threw in wrong guy or something

[warm plinth]

Throw mead while someone talks to the other one (or vice versa), pull active mob to the mead one

They fight, then once htey're done fighting, you talk to 2nd one

[onyx matrix]

Which route do you guys go in HoV? Do you go to fenryr or the valkyr 1st?

[toxic pewter]

Valkyr personally first

[onyx matrix]

Thx

[warm plinth]

If you don't make them fight each other, it won't work, and on lower keys it's not even much of a time save because the first one will be mostly dead before you get the second one active anyway.

[somber sky]

if you do hyrja first you can easily do bear pull in fenryr zone after killing boss

[onyx matrix]

Alright, thx for the advice

[jovial birch]

Any advice for not pulling threat off other tank in raid? When not actively tanking I try to switch to battle stance but pull threat off our blood Dk quite often I feel like this is more his problem not mine would that be correct?

[onyx matrix]

Dont burst, just chill alittlebit

[robust quiver]

do you have misdirections to spam on him?

[jovial birch]

Yeah we probably need to coordinate that when he taunts so I can switch stances safer.

[grave wedge]

thats a great point when i played on my hunter i used to mess up my tanks a bit when bursting during swaps with md

[mystic radish]

How can I sim armor spikes? Is it really nearly 700dps worse than fang on weapon? Seems like its not siming

[jovial birch]

I’m putting out way more damage then him especially when in battle stance so misdirects and tricks are probably needed this should solve the problem thanks!

[strong forum]

Tell him to start playing the game

[jovial birch]

Yeah……I’m usually 15k dps or more ahead of him…..

[robust quiver]

that's what we did to solve the same problems

[warm plinth]

FFS

[strong forum]

Yeah that's him being stuck in SL

Dude forgot to update to 10.0 it seems

[robust quiver]

don't be mean maybe he's still level 60

[strong forum]

Bullying aside

Tell him to step up his game, you needing to hold back is NOT the solution to the problem, you're not the problem

He is

[robust quiver]

i mean tbh it's all in the context of the raid/guild

[lime urchin]

imagine pressing less buttons because the other tank isnt pressing enough buttons

[jovial birch]

This is what I figured. I also have a blood DK not geared or anything but I know he shouldn’t be that far behind.

[lime urchin]

thats sad

[robust quiver]

if it's a casual friends & family you can chill on your dps and still complete the raid (even tho it sucks)

[strong forum]

It's clearly an issue

Else he wouldn't ask

[robust quiver]

maybe he just wanted to vent ahah

[jovial birch]

Nah it’s been a few wipes caused by it. I ate two electrified jaws on raz a few times last night pulling threat with just damage.

[mystic radish]

Going for this build now since you guys said Thunderlord sucks 🙂 Is there still a point you would change ?:)

[jovial birch]

Thanks for the advice everyone will have to talk with him.

[robust quiver]

ye then the only real solution is talking to him and helping him out understanding why his dps is so low

it's probably a basic rotation issue tbh

if the gap is that huge

[strong forum]

My bet, if he's BDK, is a) garbage talent tree

B) doesn't have 100% uptime on dnd

C) spams heart strike

[somber sky]

thunderlord suck in keys?

[toxic pewter]

DUDE that keeps happening to me too in my guild my other tank is BDK and i rip threat from him all the time

its actually lead to wipes in some cases

[warm plinth]

they're just used to afk brain spamming heart strike because of last expansion

[toxic pewter]

yeah its frustrating... ive even stayed in d stance when im not even actively tanking

[warm plinth]

You should tell him that believe it or not, things change when new expansions come out

and he should read a guide

[toxic pewter]

Yeah its really not good

[patent zealot]

t lord sucks?

[strong forum]

It doesn't suck

But it's not hot either

I prefer battering ram as it creates a smoother rotation and is flat out more dmg

[toxic pewter]

I dropped thunder lord and i love how my cd's rotate now without it

[strong forum]

In pretty much every scenario

[toxic pewter]

yah i run your build and I think its fantastic

battering ram owns hard

do you think its greedy to run battering ram and into the fray

[somber sky]

do you still have 100% sb?

[blazing condor]

battering ram gang

[toxic pewter]

I mean kind of with 8sec SB and bolster can make it happen

[somber sky]

requires you taking bolster over tough as nails or spellblock

[toxic pewter]

ya for sure

its def more of a risky/greedy build I think

especially hard to take BSV with it too if you ever wanted to

[robust quiver]

spell block is the best thing of dragonflight

it's giga busted (altho situational)

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I really need to start using spell block more now that I am going higher...

[somber sky]

spellblock in rlp and tjs

otherwise

[robust quiver]

AV too

[north dew]

hey guys what do you think, does intervene works on Fenryr in halls of valor @ sand of blood?

so can i intervene the target and get the damage from it?

[loud zinc]

Yes, it works

[north dew]

so anybody can stand still and dont run away?

[somber sky]

what would you lose for it? short leap?

[north dew]

Maybe shout or something

[loud zinc]

Yeah, if you intervene right before the fixate starts they can stand still for the whole thing

[north dew]

@loud zinc thank you for the answer

[somber sky]

Losing shout on HoV is a little monkaW

you gain value from it on fenryr, hyrja, and odyn

[robust quiver]

i use this to get both intervene and fear

[north dew]

that build is good, i try it out

[robust quiver]

the real alternatives are sidearm/pain and gain/idk what else

[somber sky]

barbaric traiing

[robust quiver]

i don't like barbaric training tbh

and it's just rage inefficient

[somber sky]

[dusky burrow]

Question for the people here. What are you guys pulling for DPS in your average key? What do you consider good/bad?

[somber sky]

40k and above is good

60k min in AA though

[dusky burrow]

AA doesnt count lol

[somber sky]

yeah that's why I pumped it by 50%

[blazing condor]

like 45k on average

[dusky burrow]

I do love AA for the ego boost

[blazing condor]

40-50k and then AA is a lot more

[somber sky]

AA if done right is 80k+

[dusky burrow]

Ok so im hearing 40k plus

Thats kind of what I thought

Are u doing that in your push keys?

[somber sky]

ye anything lower than that is because of too many small pulls and lots of foorspec dps

[dusky burrow]

KK I think Im hovering at too small of pulls as I am averaging 38k give or take

[somber sky]

best way to gauge that is by constantly being vocal with group on their CDs. If at least 1 has and 2nd has one coming up, go giga.

otherwise do a fair pull where you use your CDs

that way you get to pad on a pack while no one else has damage

[dusky burrow]

Ok do you find you have been pulling more around your CDs or DPS cds?

Ive always been a decent tank but Im trying to push it up a notch this tier

[somber sky]

When I pushed as a dps, my tank told me, "DPS CDs are basically tank defensives. If prio trash die faster, you live longer"

so i'm just carrying that motto 😆

[dusky burrow]

That is a good way to look at it

Ok Im going to start doing bigger pulls

and watch dps cds a bit more

[high drum]

lets go gamers vault gang

priest healer not advised for tree boss

[robust quiver]

a lot of dungeons are so kick heavy tho

[somber sky]

Pog

[dusky burrow]

ya the kicks suck....but there are some u can go ham at (HOV is one I always think about)

[toxic pewter]

this man games

[somber sky]

hov/cos/SBG are the ones you can go ham on.

maybe even AV

just need stops on AV then you're gaming

[high drum]

secret to AV is let the screams go off

[robust quiver]

how do you pull big on sbg? do you drag trash along for miles?XD

[high drum]

and avoid trash later

[somber sky]

who knew kicking waking bane and frontals would make trash easier 😆

[robust quiver]

packs are so spread out i feel

[toxic pewter]

honestly im not a huge puller in SBG

[high drum]

because the scream trash gives full count but has reduced hp

[toxic pewter]

SBG sort of just press w and do good work and youll be fine

no need to pull that big

[high drum]

sbg has 2 hard pulls

[sick sentinel]

12 cos fml

[high drum]

the "only kick back caster" pull

and the kite the shadow slash x3 + healer pull

[robust quiver]

spell block gang

never kite

[high drum]

u run out of time

at least ido

[somber sky]

triple dominator pull after first boss and pull after second boss. Chaining first spider+bats after second boss into the next set of smallies to help dps pad in their CDs

[robust quiver]

spell block + shockwave+fear