protection

[pulsar sedge]

Lol i mean.. I dont get the group cleaved ;D

[honest vale]

LOL

[cinder storm]

On my 17 they didn't cleared, ate the stun then someone left

[slim dove]

i know its only 3rd week but the amount of people doing 16+ keys not knowing how the affix works

or dont use the weakaura

is staggering

[pulsar sedge]

I see a TON of 15+ people are still derping and it makes me wonder how they managed...

[blazing condor]

wow players suck

no matter the level

[pulsar sedge]

But then again.. Just need 4 people doing thundering correctly to baby them along

[cinder storm]

I got three letters for you

S

M

B

[sick sentinel]

Super Mario Brothers

[slim dove]

smbg so free it hurts

[honest vale]

Void Slash in the beginning hurts, but once you get past that, it's smooth.

[pulsar sedge]

Eh, cc it and slap away

[honest vale]

I can't even get my DPS to kick, and you want them to CC?

[pulsar sedge]

Someone earlier suggested to stun just 1 to desync the casts and you're solid

Umm.. you're a warrior

You are the CC

[honest vale]

I use Storm Bolt and Shockwave all the time.

[slim dove]

yeah just stun 1 to desync

on 4 mob pull i angle shockwave to stun 2

[pulsar sedge]

Stormbolt/shcokwave/intim. I dont need much more cc than that. Just get people to kick stuff and we good

[slim dove]

theyre undead, immune to fear

iirc

[honest vale]

I don't even run Intim.

[sick sentinel]

its because its from the fucking stone ages of wod and it uses 3head mechanics

that take 20seconds to compelte

[slim dove]

bro

smbg is especially easy

grimrail (cringe ass camera aside) has a good mix of mechs

go back to cata and stonecore is more complex lmao

[sick sentinel]

more so than...........** FREE** hold?

[blazing condor]

third boss stonecore would fuck every pug on HC

cus people didnt know how it worked lol

[honest vale]

Break yourself upon my body!

[sick sentinel]

i remember the first boss of stone core BEFORE the nerfs

that was hell

[slim dove]

cata heroics pre nerf

i remember healing that shit

[blazing condor]

cata hcs were hella monka

needed cc on every other pack

[honest vale]

I don't even remember Cataclysm. SMH

[sick sentinel]

you cant heal a god damn 1 shot

[slim dove]

just dont stand in the dust lmao

[blazing condor]

last part of vortex pinnacle was just monka

[slim dove]

delete this

[blazing condor]

had to poly 1 healer, trap the other and pray

[slim dove]

dont remind me of that dungeon

DONT

or progging al'akir heroic 25

[sick sentinel]

those giant cleaving bugs in the tunnel after first boss of stone core was ALSO hell

cleave rouiette go

[blazing condor]

was fun to fly around tho in p2

[zinc spruce]

dude i got the long conbo 2 times in a row

in cos

what are the chances

[honest vale]

It sucks they broke the two construct skips in there.

[sick sentinel]

what i will never forget about stone core is how all fucking hell broke loose if you aggroed and didn't immediately kill the wanderer guy

worse than NO/BH

[honest vale]

I'm waiting for Waycrest Manor to be back in the M+ pool.

[cinder storm]

Kings rest / Freehold

[sick sentinel]

NO

no kings rest

[blazing condor]

kr can go fuck itself

[sick sentinel]

never again

[blazing condor]

respectfully

[cinder storm]

With the good comes the bad

[sick sentinel]

i slian that demon long ago

[honest vale]

Although, Shrine did get some tuning, boys and girls. 👀

[zinc spruce]

the bridge one and which other

[sick sentinel]

shrine is "don't die"

[blazing condor]

shrine is one of the worst designed dungeons past decade

[cinder storm]

No, fuck shrine, I hate that place

[sick sentinel]

as long as nobody dies in shrine, you can time it, if you wipe, its over

[honest vale]

The one right after first boss. It's no longer skippable from the side unless you're in stealth.

[zinc spruce]

ah

i mean u can with a rogue

[honest vale]

Shrine's tuning was to fix an issue for people leveling - didn't get anything major for M+ tuning.

[pulsar sedge]

Watch us get Oculus ;D

[zinc spruce]

the aoe stealth thing

[sick sentinel]

i will never ever forgive the developer who spear headed plaguefall

[honest vale]

y tho

[blazing condor]

spawn points in Shrine was stupid. Wipe on 2nd boss and its over. The bosses were designed poorly asf. 2nd boss could be completely redundant by just standing outside the arena. 3rd boss relied on the MCd player to swim to get rid of the MC on higher keys. Last boss was shitty with the whole "healer doing more dps if they're one shot" gimmick

ads were ass

[pulsar sedge]

Lol cuz blizz doesnt like us ;D

[sick sentinel]

wayyyyy too much slime plague in that place

[blazing condor]

thematically occulus makes sense kind of

dragon riding

[sick sentinel]

it was only a hard dungeon if people weren't looking at screen, it was you have to look at what the fuck is going on to win in that one

[buoyant narwhal]

Hey guys, what do you think would be the best course of action for crafting with this setup. Havnt crafted anything as of yet

[vestal lintel]

Just got my Prot warrior up to 70 and looking for some advice, crafting wise, should I make Lariat first then shield>weapon? Will be hanging around the 2/10 m+ for a week or so and am also looking for a recommended build!

[blazing condor]

id go wep/shield if i were to craft

[blazing condor]

pins have guides and builds - id personally craft shield over lariat cus main stat and block. that or shield

[honest vale]

Shield first.

[sick sentinel]

what destroyed soooooooooooooo many shrine pugs was the simple fact that you did not respawn at the last boss you killed

you had to get to the 3rd boss to get a check point and each time you wipe, its a 3+ minute walk back to the 2nd boss

you had to get AND KILL 3rd boss

3rd boss being the make it or break it for every grou p

[cinder storm]

And there where people who wouldn't use the lantern

Or rather, didn't know you could

[sick sentinel]

its not all the magic damage or mechanics that made that key hell, it was that respawn

the brazier you could use as a slightly faster taxi but you have to take trash on left so its not really worth it for speed run?

and then someone has to click on that one on the far side so its active, and then everyone else has to know.....

[cinder storm]

Right, forgot about those small details

[sick sentinel]

its alot of tiny things added up to "well this sucks"

[cinder storm]

It was a do or die til third boss, that much I remember

Specially those water elementals, worst elite I've ever fought

[honest vale]

Gonna be honest, though, Shrine > Siege. Someone always died in lower keys, and then sometimes they would die to the sharks and then leave. 🤣

[sick sentinel]

2nd boss was equally shit, cuz you had to tank pretty well and on 2 mobs, avoid tornadoes and keep them out of white/green circles + kick, + track a buff the caster has

like jezus

[cinder storm]

Oh, boralus...so many bad memories

[sick sentinel]

boralus was "can we kill the final boss"

[cinder storm]

Best part of that dungeon was pulling all the adds before third boss

[sick sentinel]

SOOOOOOO MANY DEAD KEYS at the final boss

[honest vale]

Junkyard > Freehold = Tol Dagor = MOTHERLODE!! > Underrot > Waycrest Manor > Temple = Atal'Dazar = Workshop = Shrine > Kings' Rest = Siege of Boralus

[sick sentinel]

we get to ozumat, viq,goth apparently, squid man, cant kill it

try it again 9 more times, everyone rage quits

[mighty valley]

God I hate underrot

[cinder storm]

It was a decent key

[mighty valley]

Also not as big a fan of freehold as everyone else was

Manor was good

[sick sentinel]

underrot is forever burned into my brain and its mostly easy now

[honest vale]

Underrot wasn't the most fun, but it's pretty easy to time.

[mighty valley]

it's part mechanics and part... it's just nasty. nasty stinky place to have to be in

[sick sentinel]

still even remember where the quest mob in there appears and secret add for achievement on shroom boss

[honest vale]

And it's linear, but at least you can skip trash unlike Temple (unless you had pots / shroud).

[buoyant narwhal]

Perfect thanks!

[cinder storm]

Any dungeon that can give me a pack of adds that can make my shield go clangclangclangclan for 20-30s becomes my favorite

[mighty valley]

The arena wing of theater of pain was great for shield noises

[cinder storm]

Yeah haha

[honest vale]

Best part of ToP was watching people fly off on Tornadoes. Wanna be a trolling tank, go the platform with double tornadoes. 🤣

[sick sentinel]

PUG DESTROYER

[mighty valley]

The double tornado platform was objectively easier if people paid attention, but......

[honest vale]

I'll be honest, I'll take every dungeon from Legion except Seat. I'd prefer not to have Arcway either, but I'd take that over Seat any day. There aren't that many dungeons I wouldn't want from Legion, there are several I don't want from BFA, and Shadowlands is too recent (although I'd like not to have PF).

[unique shale]

is anybody know what does this mean ?

[cinder storm]

It says unequip it first to recraft it

[honest vale]

Did they fix that durability bug yet?

[unique shale]

damm i am blind thx

[honest vale]

I know you couldn't recraft an item that wasn't at max durability, but that was a bug.

Ah, okay, it was a case of Occam's Razor.

[grand saddle]

is revenge ever prio over shieldslam

[honest vale]

If you're rage capped, then yes.

Or would otherwise go over max rage if you were to slam before using a spender such as Revenge.

[grand saddle]

ok i figured

[hollow heron]

what 2 embellish items are you guys running i have lariat and dont know what for 2nd

[honest vale]

None of the embellishments are crazy, but I'm running double Armor Spikes. Over the course of a key, Armor Spikes doles out at least 1mil extra damage.

[fervent dune]

can i ignore these? https://i.imgur.com/CnS75eY.png lol

[honest vale]

Yeah, WAs can't do much these days that Blizzard hasn't blocked.

[cinder storm]

It took me like an hour the other day to find where to change specs 💀

[sand mason]

we dont want armor spikes on our shield right?

[honest vale]

I forgot how to spell of once.

1000%

It's a bug that it triggers the ring, but not that the item is usable without a level cap.

Correct. However, Blizzard obviously didn't intend for people to use a flower to trigger a ring. 🤣

That's different. A belt is another item on your character. Using a 15-year-old item to trigger your ring... apples v oranges.

Are you using your current belt to trigger it?

If Flame Cap really does trigger it, then it was an oversight and "Fire damage" should have been more specific.

[sleek rock]

is the dmg or defensive cobalt ring better for m+?

[honest vale]

Oh, most definitely funny that people discover shit like this. xD

[honest vale]

Depends on how you want/need to play.

Remember, procs in their nature are RNG. So, a defensive proc can be really good. However, you don't know when you'll get the proc.

[sleek rock]

i want to min max damage output. but i dont want to be inting choosing the dmg ring

if the defensive one is that good

[honest vale]

You can purchase both, then swap based on the key level.

[sweet summit]

damage ring is better if you want to do damage

it's that simple

[honest vale]

What's really going to bake your noodle is that you can use the Flame Cap, trigger the ring, then the ring does more fire damage and triggers itself since it can proc from a proc.

[weary python]

Any tips for managing VO procs ahead of time? I'm getting better at it, but are people using a weak aura outside of a bundle that specifically helps? Or is it a get good scrub thing?

[sweet summit]

i'm using a weak aura to track seeing red stacks too, when i have 6 or more stacks it starts to glow

[royal coral]

Same, knowing its coming helps a ton

[sweet summit]

ye

[weary python]

Can you link it? Or is it your own?

[royal coral]

Was just one i modifyed from the old tier set on wago, throw it in there and your find it easy

[weary python]

Alright

[sweet summit]

i made my own
it's quite easy, especially with the weak auras templates

[royal coral]

i means its just tracking a aura, basic of the basic for WA :p

[fierce juniper]

Yeah, it's just the same 3 lines of code repeated for each spell so it shows up as a lot of alerts.

[blazing condor]

have you added the "not in melee" cast from tempest storm in NO btw? don't think it shows up on the WA

[rough solstice]

first time playin prot this expac, or tank at all. first few weeks were alright but novelty is wearing off, what makes tanking fun for you guys?

[fervent dune]

thx

[blazing condor]

same with the mana bomb from lat boss AA

[rough solstice]

group relies on me to keep tanking so i needa figure out a way to make it more interesting

[zealous grove]

can someone please link me the spell reflect weakaura

i got one but it doesnt ever do anything

[cinder storm]

Do higher keys and pull more

[quaint zodiac]

Top pin

[honest vale]

Gearing up, becoming tankier and more powerful, then pulling more and dealing more damage.

Equally, I also enjoy seeing how far I can go at my current ilvl before shit just begins to hurt.

[rough solstice]

my group dies when i pull more then 5-6 mobs in 10 keys

so

[honest vale]

What are they dying to though?

[rough solstice]

floor shit

[honest vale]

And that's regardless of key?

the key*

[rough solstice]

ya more or less we only have me healer and dps so we gotta pug the other 2

[hollow yacht]

what do you guys think the best prot WA is?

[honest vale]

10+ is really where you start to see the "better" players.

[rough solstice]

i got into prot cause it looked like it was doing as much damage as some dps but it was only cause it can live through stupid high pulls

now the dmg fell off i lost interest idk

[honest vale]

Before that people don't want to kick (you'll get this all the time) and people that want to zerg the fight instead of properly handling mechanics. (e.g. not double dipping Expel Light on Hyrja).

[golden totem]

why do the top 4 prot warriors on io have bracers as their 3rd spark craft?

[cinder storm]

That's right but also subjective, right now there are lots of bad players on 16s even, so it's hard to filter them out

[stable valve]

Are they the engi bracers?

[honest vale]

I say "better" because eventually you hit a key level where the general populace must handle the mechanics, so people start to kick, using proper position, etc. However, you'll always have someone that makes a mistake. We're human.

[rough solstice]

yeah i get that im not to worried on pugs failing time to time but if i pull big everyone but me dies haha

so i go slow and its boring

[golden totem]

ye engi bracers

[rough solstice]

and i do no damage and it feels gross

[honest vale]

Are you in comms with your buds?

[rough solstice]

with healer yeah

[stable valve]

For the brez tinker then

[honest vale]

Tell your DPS bud to get in comms so you can call kicks and when you want to reposition, what you need them to do, etc.

[rough solstice]

probably what im missing tbh, proper comms

[jovial birch]

If you are tanking to top meters you are in the wrong role.

[honest vale]

That's also pretty fun. As the tank you sorta get to lead the group with your healer.

[jovial birch]

Play a dps if you want to too dps meters

[rough solstice]

only reason i played prot was cause i seen it topping some meters early on aha

[golden totem]

really tank bring?

[cinder storm]

Log yourself, if your damage is falling off and you are fotm player there's bound to be something you can do better

[rough solstice]

ive been dps main since 2009

[jovial birch]

Yeah you aren’t going to top meters over a good dps players now that they have gear

[sick sentinel]

i still hate halls of valor

[honest vale]

DPS is too braindead for me. Kick, pew pew pew, Kick, big CD, oh shit button, pew pew pew, etc.

[sick sentinel]

its pretty free, but i hate it regardless

[undone rover]

what gear is prio to craft?

[jovial birch]

I tank for engagement as well

[cinder storm]

Yeah, dps brains amirite zug zug

[brisk gust]

Would you say windscar whetstone is best trinmket for m+?

[cinder storm]

Usually shield > weap > lariat or belt

[urban portal]

thats a reasonable statement in terms of dps yeah

[honest vale]

As a tank, you have more to think about, and factors to consider, like, if you can pull this pack into the next based on affixes and spell casts between the two packs. You base this on what kicks and stops are available in your party. It's a great time. @rough solstice

[cinder storm]

Anything needs doing?
Proceeds to ninja pull

[honest vale]

And if you ever to decide to pull a Sentinel in HOV into a trash pack, consider rerolling back to DPS.

[undone rover]

And shield is that Primal molten defender? or Shield of the hearth?

[cinder storm]

Molten

[undone rover]

Alright thanks 😉

[honest vale]

That sounds like wasted time, dragging the sentinels.

[rough solstice]

ive never had to put more effort into playing wow then ever before

[cinder storm]

I did it once, then quickly remembered they have inspiring aura... Fun times

[honest vale]

Not to mention, you can't kick Yell on the mini bosses if the sentinels are there when you pull mini bosses.

Unless you mean they get dragged up the bridge and killed in boss room, then you pull mini bosses.

[cinder storm]

That's why tanking is fun, requires thinking and planning ahead of time

[rough solstice]

mmm i work 42 hrs a week and smoke alot of weed, maybe tanking isnt for me haha dont have greatest amount of time for pre thinking

[honest vale]

And if people ever pull 2 packs of wolves in a key on a Fortified week, just stop pressing buttons cause you're dead. 🤣

[cinder storm]

Don't you lose speed buff when rp starts? If so pulling sents to mini boss is kinda a melee dps loss

[cinder storm]

You can be the chillest tank then

[rough solstice]

or maybe i put my expectations down a little lower and just farm lower keys for now

[cinder storm]

-ninja pull happens-
Dontcha worry guys, got them kicks and fear on me see how I do it ez for you

[honest vale]

Pulling 1 pack at a time is a guaranteed way to have a chill run, but also a guaranteed way to risk not timing keys or cutting it close, depending on damage.

[rough solstice]

yeah that feeds into my first problem is that its slow

seems like bit of catch 22 situ

were i just gotta put more effort in

and better things come

[honest vale]

You need to be more experimental. You'll probably deplete keys while you do it, but it's how you learn.

[rough solstice]

might try looking into more dps for our group but its already random af when we get to do keys so didnt wanna drag more people in and fuck em around

[cinder storm]

Are you staying in battle stance?

[rough solstice]

ofc

mroe crits

no

i dont even press it, damage seems to spikey to risk it

for me atm

[sick sentinel]

i guess it depends on your gear and groups and key level being done

but i use battle

[rough solstice]

they should just give arms ip and let them tank

[sick sentinel]

thats aDK

[honest vale]

I mean, you asked us the question, but let's ask you, @rough solstice , what would make tanking more fun for you?

[rough solstice]

if i topped damage lmfao

[sick sentinel]

that can be done now

[rough solstice]

if i keep my group dead the whole dungeon..

[sick sentinel]

just hit more buttons more harder

[rough solstice]

just go with me on this

nah idek, its still new to me legit only appeal was the bigger numbers

and was like well we need one for keys

[honest vale]

Pull a pack, Avatar > Demo > Ravager > Shield Charge > Trinket > Revenge Spam

[craggy pilot]

if i didnt kill Dathea on HC but on Normal, and i open my Vault in Arms, will i be able to get the Dathea trinket?

[honest vale]

100k+ DPS ez

[jovial birch]

I got bluelight glasses for christmas what should I see for DPS increase in raid tonight, I figure about 5k? 😂

[rough solstice]

thought u werent spose to spam revenge lol

[sick sentinel]

about 3% increase

[honest vale]

You can rage dump into Revenge if you don't need the defensive aspect of Warrior.

[rough solstice]

im probably playing wrong too

im lucky to finish with 15-17k overall

feel like i always need the defensive aspect or i start dipping to much

[honest vale]

I think I finish somewhere between 23-26K overall on average. I do, however, need to play more defensively since I'm trying to push 15s at 389.

[sick sentinel]

probably no where near enough SS or revenge

or clap

[rough solstice]

i press ss alot

but not revenge much

nah clap and ss are of cd perma

on*

w/e

[honest vale]

Revenge is great and it hits harder if you have multiple targets (3+) in front of you.

[rough solstice]

nearly all my rage goes into IP

[honest vale]

Are you SB enough?

[rough solstice]

cause idk why but i thought we had to have 100% uptime on both sb and ip

[slim dove]

is your healer afk or something

[rough solstice]

and i got told thats wrong

[honest vale]

You don't need 100% uptime on IP, but SB you want nearly 100% uptime (as long as you're tanking and need it).

[rough solstice]

yeah ive ehard the opposite and ive heard to use it when needed

so

haha

i only assumed that we needed it up 100%

thats on me

[honest vale]

Almost everything is going to melee you for physical damage, so Shield Block is important.

[rough solstice]

yeah

shield block is more dps

cause reflect n shit haha

[honest vale]

SB will buff Shield Slam, yes. Spell Reflect is something else entirely.

[rough solstice]

no

when u block u do dmg

that talent

[honest vale]

Ah, TaN.

[rough solstice]

ya

also feel like im more worried about getting the mobs on me in a group then pressing damage buttons

[sick sentinel]

tough as nails?

[rough solstice]

ive noticed it alkot but assumed was just experience thing

[sick sentinel]

i've mostly been using spell block these days

[torpid junco]

How come no one ever recommends engineer brez bracers when people ask for crafting recommendations?

[sick sentinel]

cuz everyone has a brez now

even paladins

[honest vale]

And the top 0.1% of prot warrior tanks are in different situations than most of us.

[spice axle]

is that embelishment or just an echant u put it on any bracer?

[sick sentinel]

and engineer brez is typically suspect

[honest vale]

Spell Block is a must-have in RLP and Temple.

[torpid junco]

Feels like most Groups have 1 brez and it’s healer. If heals dies on boss you are F’ed

[honest vale]

Just take a Demo lock.

[rough solstice]

isnt that a cd?

[sick sentinel]

i've just been using spell block for everything

[honest vale]

Yes, Spell Block is a 90-sec CD.

[spark cedar]

RLP for first boss or who?

[torpid junco]

It’s not an embellishment or enchant. It’s a tinker from engineering

[cinder storm]

Even when you can wear it it has a higher chance to fail if you don't have points in that talent tree as engi

[sick sentinel]

im not really sure, but i think spell block puts in alot of work

[rough solstice]

makes sense

but i already have 400 keybinds it feels like lol

[honest vale]

First and last boss, as well as most of the trash.

Last boss you can literally block Infernocore and Flame Spit.

Oh, and Stormslam. So, if your healer is AFK, then you can block so as not to take a huge hit.

[honest vale]

It's another button to press, but your survivability goes up a ton!

[sick sentinel]

im not advocating "use these keybinds" at all

but thats how i do it

bottom row is anything that does damage top row is buffs only, middle for other crap

[honest vale]

Horn of Valor

[rough solstice]

wheres ww and slam

[honest vale]

Are you memeing?

[rough solstice]

hahaha

[sick sentinel]

horn of valor with avoidance

[honest vale]

That's solid af

Also, do we suspect they'll remove Valor cap near the end of the season?

[deft vale]

New here, is there a recommendation for our crafted gear anywhere? Obviously lariat is towards the top of the list. Anything else stand out or just replace lowest ilvl slot?

[honest vale]

Shield > Weapon > whatever else

We need a pin for this question.

[rough solstice]

i should prob use one of my 3 sparks at some point hey

no idea wtf to do with it so i havent even bothered

[torpid junco]

I think brez bracers should be crafted if you pug a lot

[rough solstice]

brez bracers seem pretty big

[honest vale]

You supply a crafting order with the spark, chaos, and whatever 3rd reagent you need for the given profession.

[deft vale]

i've heard bad things about them. fail rate being high or something

[rough solstice]

oh true didnt think of that

[deft vale]

i'm not sure if the damage is proportional to health tho. might not be a big deal for tank

[torpid junco]

Even if it fails 50% of the time still worth given your healer is likely your brez

[royal lodge]

Does the crafted shield vers proc enough to make it worth it?

[sand mason]

The communities opinion is no

[rough solstice]

so dont make a shield

roger

[royal lodge]

Thanks, I didn't think so.

[sand mason]

Lariat and other embelishments are better than the vers proc on that sheild PLUS you cant change the stats

The motlen shield that you can put missives on is nice AF though

[queen latch]

What second embellishment have people been running then? Lariat being the first i assume for most

[deft vale]

there are boots that eat your worst secondary stat for a buff to you best one. not sure if those exist for plate wearers

[royal lodge]

I use the Lariat and PvP helm for my embellishments.

Helm is free damage and can damage casters attacking you.

[noble jetty]

I think its different for everyone, If you have the fire ring from raid I've seen people run the frostfire belt.

I've seen people run the thorns on shield and some people run fang on weapon

The real question is can you take embellishments off crafted gear because I have fang on my weapon right now and I don't know if it's worth it.

[toxic pewter]

hey guys how do you pull trash before tree boss in AA on fortified

[marble cipher]

three birds -> double plants -> three birds -> plants

[zealous grove]

I do 2 pulls. 1 x bee's + 2 x lasher pack, then 1 x bee's + 1 lasher

[toxic pewter]

I just pulled 1 birds and 1 pack

in a 17

is that reasonable

it seems reasonable to me

[marble cipher]

If I take birds with plants, someone in my group will die 😄

[zealous grove]

If you cna group them, you can do everything

but your group has to be patient

[marble cipher]

I'd prefer to group them up more though

[toxic pewter]

i grouped them all and then the group went to shit lol

and guy left immediately

1 pack of birds and 1 pack of plants

literally that was it

[zealous grove]

lol

cant tank stupid?

[slim dove]

in bad pugs, do birds + 1 plant

pull 2nd plant after you establish threat

then 3rd after 1st birds die

[sick sentinel]

i mean, if dude leaves because of 1 wipe,

[rough solstice]

pull it all and be the only one standing

[sick sentinel]

oh we wiped, we cant ever time this key

[rough solstice]

i tried pulling it all and i said before hand that it was just an attempt everyone said all good then we wiped

and everyone left lol

was like a 8 key first week of keys

[sick sentinel]

very rarely do i have a group full on raging disband

even at a +8

[toxic pewter]

Yeah literally first pull guy left and I didnt even pull that much

i think on fortified im just gonna pull birds alone

im tired of those birds

[rough solstice]

well we only pug 2 dps so its them leaving

[honest vale]

I always pull the first pack of skitter flies and fight those individually, then pull all the plants and skip the second set of flies.

[rough solstice]

so not all i guess lol

[toxic pewter]

Yeah im literally doing this going forward

[lone eagle]

I do 3 birds, once they are half health I go to pull everything else except the last 3 birds by watching the pat

Pull in the last 3 birds as things are winding down

[toxic pewter]

Yeah going to do that going forward

[warm plinth]

TIL insects are birds

[toxic pewter]

lol

[honest vale]

I had to scroll up to see what apb meant because I was like, "birds? 🤔 "

[lone eagle]

Started with Mists of Tirna Scithe I think

Everyone called the wasps birds

Now it just sticks

[rough solstice]

yeah i was pretty confused for a bit but figured it out

[sick sentinel]

i hated mists due to the shorter timer

[toxic pewter]

'flying entities'

[rough solstice]

everything evolved from a bird at one point

or was it monkeys 🤔

[sick sentinel]

alot of people fou nd mists easy, i hated it

[honest vale]

You could, however, pull 1 pack of flies into all the plants if you have enough soothes to keep their stacks down.

Let's be honest, the plants are literally nothing if the tank has complete threat.

[toxic pewter]

Yeah im just gonna kill birds to at least half then pull plants like mentioned

honestly tired of those birds

yah the plants are easy

[honest vale]

Yeah, to hell with those stupid avians, dude.

I can't stand those winged beasts.

[rough solstice]

feathered fucks

[bleak skiff]

Hi , came here for some advice If you dont mind. I started doing m16+ keys since I reached almost 2100 rating recently, but Im starting to see that I sometimes keep loosing agro for like milisecond and that might kill someone, so Im just curious how to fix it

[warm plinth]

Well I sure didn't call them birds. I called them reavers

[honest vale]

Oh, that's good. I wonder how many other names they'll have before the end of the season.

[slim dove]

dps need to chill.

[bleak skiff]

So its abour their burst

Oh okay, thanks

[honest vale]

I lose threat to pumpers all the time.

If I'm not actively hitting that target, AoE just sometimes isn't enough. It's always a DH or Rogue.

[sick sentinel]

dps needs to chill and if its vs a boss, taunt on start because you do what is it 400% more threat while taunted?

[cinder storm]

No, some melees are just braindead

• Boss finishing rp
• dps proceeds to stand under boss hitbox
  -gets slapped

[craggy pilot]

398 2 set shoulder vs 402 shoulder 🤔

[cosmic pond]

So much this

[slim dove]

2 set

[cinder storm]

2 set

[sick sentinel]

this is why rogues and hunters are invaluable, they can just tricks/midirect onto u

[craggy pilot]

ye is what i thought

[honest vale]

Crawth did one time chunk a DPS because I didn't smack it yet, so I usually spam taunt before they activate, but sometimes still not enough. xD

[slim dove]

odyn every hov ive done this week

[honest vale]

On an unrelated note, best piece of advice I can give a group of people running COS, is to fail guessing the spy one time so you don't get a perfect run. You get a longer RP at the end.

[sick sentinel]

COS is guna be the last key i run

[cinder storm]

I'm almost positive it has nothing to do with that, it has to do with the achiev

[pulsar sedge]

CoS wasnt that bad this week. RLP.. That shit was awful tho

[honest vale]

It's certainly the easiest if you don't butt pull in the second half, or you're not unlucky with Enforcer spawns and the one in the lower left (by the entrance) doesn't spawn on top of you.

[honest vale]

That's why you guess wrong first.

[mystic fog]

wait is bugeoning seed really BiS?

[honest vale]

You don't get the achieve.

[cinder storm]

Ah gotcha

[slim dove]

no

[pulsar sedge]

No.. Seed is definitely not BiS

[sick sentinel]

everything i have heard about COS is "bring a DH, they can vision it"

Hello should I ever be pressing execute as a prot warrior?

[pulsar sedge]

Yes, all the time.

[cinder storm]

Always kill the boss where the enforcer was to avoid the one that spawn on the opposite side of that side of the room

[sick sentinel]

i know nothing else about COS at all

[warm plinth]

A lot of fotm of those specs don't have tricks or MD because the guides don't have it in their builds.

[mystic fog]

BiS to me is grieftorch and slicer

[sick sentinel]

it will definitely be a good experiment for blizzard by the end of expansion to see what players are un willing to take

[honest vale]

We can't press it all the time. C'mon now.

[pulsar sedge]

You honestly shouldnt have any threat issues as prot..

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

is it like a beserker shout sitaution for us where its just too many points ouit of the way

rogues and hunters not taking MD tricks

[honest vale]

You can also bring a paladin with a shield transmogged into the Legion artifact because they get the same effect as DH when all 5 clues are reported. Additionally, they can run around the room because the shield will glow next to the culprit even without all 5 clues reported.

[sick sentinel]

literal skipped all of legion

[cinder storm]

Tbf that shield xmog looks ugly

[honest vale]

The odds of you entering a pug with a paladin with a shield in their bags for this is low, but worth noting!

But DH is popular in COS anyway because Whetstone.

[cinder storm]

That's how I found out about it

[fallow osprey]

for heroic brood, she can activate 3 eggs at once right?

i'm only getting 2 activated but not sure if i'm positioning wrong

[limber flame]

put a weak aura literally spamming chat with <FRONTAL ON ME> dps still getting hit

help me

[honest vale]

If I encounter a paladin in there, ret or holy, I usually let them know so they can consider it for the next run.

[sick sentinel]

find another grou p

[limber flame]

i try

[sick sentinel]

at that point

[limber flame]

i try so hard

[honest vale]

and got so far

[limber flame]

just kill the mob at the back of the congo line bro

[craggy pilot]

is Sudden Death potentially more ST dps than Show of Force? 🤔

[limber flame]

you dont get cleaved

the sanguine gets put at the back

win win right

[cinder storm]

Extra point on quaking when you have a magical magnet added to you as a tank

[limber flame]

dps waiting on literally 2-1 sec to drop thundering off me, everytime in halls of valor its when a frontal is about go off

goodbye dps

[honest vale]

No, kill the one in the front, then proceed to stun everything as it enters the Sanguine pool, kill something else while they're stunned so they get double sanguine. Let's gooooooo!

[cinder storm]

I think it is, I m using it, that's the one that gives you free execute?

[limber flame]

that has been my experience lightsky...it has been painful

or dps just aoe stun off the rip

please...just...wait...till...they....do something besides melee me

[honest vale]

The mini boss before last boss in RLP getting stuck in Sanguine is complete ass.

[limber flame]

ye thunderstorming on sanguine

gg full health thx

[honest vale]

They have so many stupid uninterruptible casts before Shock it's not even funny.

[craggy pilot]

yes

was just wondering if its maybe a play for Tyr week 🤔

[limber flame]

halls of valor doing the BL first pull

[honest vale]

Thunderstorm > 7 individual casts to spawn adds > Shock

[limber flame]

dps kill mobs, dragon casts lightnign breath into another standstill ability

dragon back to full health

[honest vale]

Dragon is 1000% the focus in that pack, cleave everything else and kick the Thundercallers.

[cinder storm]

-wait for me to run adds and get aggro, don't walk close to me so you don't aggro, kick, focus dragon
See them fail one of those things everytime

[honest vale]

Dragon hurts and everything else can be safely kited.

[sick sentinel]

just tell your group mystics and thunders every time first and we win

thats story of how i did +8 halls of valor just now

[honest vale]

I don't even bother typing into pchat. I just passive aggressively drop world markers.

[cinder storm]

Yo listen to this

[honest vale]

And those are oh-so-commonly disregarded anyway. 🤣

[limber flame]

ye so many dps wanna do the lust pull on halls of valor first pull

everytime they got obliterated by dragon or something

[honest vale]

I LoS pull out of High Gate in HOV, then leap around the corner, but the rest of the party is in the doorway getting chunked by Cleaning Flame and Etch. 🤣

[cinder storm]

Friend who had max NO 7 asked me for help with a higher weekly "fine", got group for 18 notgud, last boss I tell everyone which adds to kick, mage fails kick
"Nooo druid, why did you push them, you made me fail my kick"
Wtf.jpeg

[limber flame]

ye ive been doing that pool too

can almost do full left side first, then full right side and skip wolves, bears in fenrir room

[honest vale]

Just tank last boss on the magic rock, and then proceed to watch your DPS still get hit by charge.

I honestly think two packs of wolves and the bears is the move in that room.

@limber flame

[limber flame]

ye im liking all the bears too

[honest vale]

Compared to the wolves? Anything in that room is great. If you have nothing but ranged, ignore the bears and pull the yaks instead... or whatever those things are. Fluffy moose?

Piercing Horns kinda hurts though.

[sick sentinel]

i did that 8 hov and i was like ... bears? cuz group was running back to the portal after wolf

so we at 2nd last boss and they were freaking out about don't have % don't have time to + it

[limber flame]

ill do three pack wolves near fen and the two north of him and just dysnc their charges

[sick sentinel]

we still made it somehow though

[limber flame]

then do the six bears to the north

[sick sentinel]

im too stupid for that rune above your head mechanic

[honest vale]

If you find yourself in that situation, is it better to run back down or is it better to speak with Odyn, return to the start, then run up and pull the other trash pack next to the stairs? I feel like it's probably better to run back down, but you're so slow until you get to the bridge, whereas you can mount if you teleport.

[limber flame]

think you c ould start skolvald dialogue and come back

[plush tinsel]

Hey, i'm a bdk main and i'm levelling a prot war, any advices for the spec ?

[limber flame]

or does it lock the door?

[honest vale]

What if you stack up, then they never leap (I'm pretty sure).

[limber flame]

idk

is their leap range based? dont know

[honest vale]

I don't think I've ever seen them leap if everyone is in melee.

[limber flame]

ill try next time

[honest vale]

You still don't want a bunch of them because they'll eat your tank, then you wipe anyway. If tank dies, then everyone panics and spreads out, then the wolves start leaping and eat your party. 🤣

It's such a funny sight to see.

The easiest boss in there has to be Skovald... or Hymdall.

[limber flame]

if melee would stop getting blasted by sanc bro

the first boss is so easy bro

just take the dps loss and dodge the swirlies FUCK

[honest vale]

I remember Skovald hurting more in Legion, to the point that you had to delay using the shield just a teeny bit so that his Rush wouldn't gib a DPS right after Ragnorok.

[tender cove]

Pug life is hilarious...
I flew there, waited for like 4-5 minutes. generally annoyed they just waited for summon... and then i get this....
I dont even know wtf to say lol

this was for an m0 on my pala

[honest vale]

You're better off reading the Wowhead/IV guides, then coming back here with specific questions.

[tender cove]

Dude was also 368 ilvl with full pvp gear xD

[honest vale]

How is you waiting at the stone a waste of time for the party?

[tender cove]

I think they had waited for tank like 10 min or smt and got annoyed they had to wait more. I really dont know tbh

[toxic gyro]

Tell me about it, I pugged 17 academy today with my gf. We blasted tree boss, blasted bird boss, wiped trash pull after bc someone body pulled pack we skipped. Key holder start blasting other dps. I told them to chill and move on, we would still chest or two chest it. Then I tell them they running back wrong way, and key holder left lol

[honest vale]

That would explain the reaction, just doesn't condone it.

[honest vale]

That's rough. Butt pulling is all too common in keys.

[tender cove]

I generally wouldnt have left but the previous group had 2 dps below 5k dps on first boss. And the run before nobody noticed we were doing normal until first boss.
So i bit pissed and not really up for more shit

[honest vale]

The only way to prevent it is to pull stuff people commonly butt pull, then you're wasting time trying to make up for time that you haven't lost yet, but could lose.

[toxic gyro]

Funny part is we were still gonna probably 2 chest it

And hardest part of the dungeon was over

[honest vale]

Butt pulls are annoying.

Yeah, trash before last boss and next to Vexamus isn't that bad (provided kicks and stops go out).

[toxic gyro]

Yea I assign dps for important kicks

[honest vale]

Once you're beyond Ancient and Crawth, you're in the clear.

[toxic gyro]

So all they have to do is hold W and kick/focus kick their mob

Yea we blasted those

[honest vale]

Not sure why someone would leave because someone ran back the wrong way, not like you need the 5th person unless you're going into a boss pull.

[toxic gyro]

We fully wiped on pack after 2nd boss

And they started running back wrong way lol. I was last one to die

[honest vale]

So the first pull with the Scepter after you fly across from birb?

[toxic gyro]

You don’t run back same way, you just take the bridge to 3rd boss

Yea

We skipped caster pack and someone body pulled it

[honest vale]

Yeah, if you fully wipe there, then no reason but to go for boss from the start.

What a shame.

That would probably tilt me for the night and I'd be done with keys.

[toxic gyro]

Yea and I said that they running wrong way and that was culminating point for key holder to leave his own key lol

I usually play with my friends, way more fun

[honest vale]

Yeah, that's even sillier. You don't need the 5th person to handle the first pull on the bridge. I mean, if you pull both packs on the bridge together you don't need the 5th person. 2 kicks should be enough (maybe a 3rd), but you're a warrior, so you have all the stops anyway.

[toxic gyro]

Even 18 temple we timed with pugs tilted me. Monk and dh were total monkeys. Monk used RoP twice lol and that was after mobs bathed in sanguine

Dh decided to pop cds the second I pulled 2 packs of mobs and they were still running to us and ate a dark claw the face 😂

Told me he gave me few seconds lol

[pallid quiver]

He probably did

Shame aggro doesn't passively generate like magic

[toxic gyro]

Oh we wiped there bc I was already pulling worms there, and someone run through pack or idk. By the time I got them, healer die from getting healing aggro on those body pulled mobs

[rough solstice]

@honest vale thanks for your help earlier mate, appreciate it

[frosty mango]

For Aa, I do tree boss then come back and do bridge/elemental boss

Then bird

Because inevitably someone dies

And that prevents you from having to fuck off with it

Also let's you lust bird

Which is way worse than the elemental boss anyway

[toxic gyro]

I mean u can go tree boss, then go back, go up the bridge kill that elemental boss, and do bird third and have lust for it

If u want to be really safe

[honest vale]

Of course!

[cinder storm]

Bird is not as bad as long as you hold 4 stacks

[honest vale]

Yep, less of an issue this week, but will definitely shine next week if you're clearing too early.

[spice anchor]

for m+ is damage helm + fire belt correct?

[honest vale]

Nothing wrong with if you were aiming for more of an offensive build.

If you have access to a high ilvl weapon and shield, then you're golden.

[spice anchor]

yeah i dont have either atm my ilvl is 159

[urban portal]

wtf 159

shadowlands?

[honest vale]

If you don't have a high ilvl weapon or shield, then you should craft those two for sure.

Your third craft is up to you.

[median tulip]

I got lucky and pulled a weapon out of the weekly quest reward bag this week; my shield I crafted myself

[honest vale]

If you're planning to run keys this week, then you can fill in what you can, then wait for Vault before crafting anything.

It's also timewalking this next week, so that's what, I think a normal Incarnates piece, right?

[median tulip]

Shield was sufficiently important to craft (plus it means I have a crit/haste shield)

[cinder storm]

That's a Sims question

[gaunt oasis]

As far as trinkets go, where is a good place to reference, Icy Veins?

I know Lifeflame is bad, is Ruby Whelp Shell any better?

[pallid quiver]

raidbots

[gaunt oasis]

I thought raidbots isn't good at simming tanks? Or is damage all that really matters?

[grave flower]

I would run incarnate crit trinket and devotion from the first raid boss. If I had them….

[gaunt oasis]

Well I was using Rumbling Ruby and LifeFlame, but I'm using Rumbling Ruby and Ruby shell now

[last crest]

@strong forum sorry for tag, but you know legit everything :D
is that trinket sim trap for prot or is it legit good

[jade stump]

a quick question how we proc the raid rings? just with the belt?

[tulip kelp]

FML.. Killed tree boss on a 19 just now and healer DCed after

[weak snow]

is there beside rend, ww and slam anything else i dont need on my bar? 😄

[gaunt oasis]

If you're not rending are you really warrioring? 😛

[urban portal]

putting it on your bar as prot is trolling

[urban portal]

it sims how it sims

its big damage

pre pull it

in raid you channel it when your guy taunts off

in m+ you channel it before a pack

[last crest]

im just surprised it even sims that high

compared to trinkets i got

[urban portal]

its a lot of stats

[last crest]

i got 400 hoof and 405 blazebinder so im surprised

[jade pulsar]

What stat it gives u is role based, tanks get vers

[pulsar parrot]

Main stat is always going to sim in a fantasy way, especially over 3500 of it. I don’t use the puzzle box because it’s not practical. Sometimes when it’s up I’m in the middle of fighting 20 mobs and can’t afford two seconds of downtime and I also don’t want to slow down or stop because I wanna pop it before a pull and it’s almost off cooldown.

[weak snow]

or anything i can macro together? -.-

[honest vale]

Bloodmallet for trinkets.

[last crest]

isnt main stat str/agi/int ?

[pulsar parrot]

Sorry I meant secondary *

I personally think it’s a sim trap but can work.

[last crest]

im honestly surprised it simmed better than hoof

i overall thought mastery is shit and there im being told to even echant it :D

[prisma crane]

mastery isnt shit, it's just less great

[pulsar parrot]

You’re simming overall dps for the prot warrior so yeah that makes sense to put mastery. So the sims will balance based on stats

I’m just going mongoloid haste vers or lower keys haste crit lol

[last crest]

isnt it useless to get vers over 10% ?

[median tulip]

All of the secondary stats are multiplicative; so if you seriously let one fall a long way behind then adding to it will gain additional value

[last crest]

heard something like that

[prisma crane]

says who?

[pulsar parrot]

You’ll never cap vers

[last crest]

i think dorki or riceeater said it on stream

[prisma crane]

that sounds like something taken out of context

[pulsar parrot]

Yeah agreed

[last crest]

i get 12% vers when wrist proc

[pulsar parrot]

Right now cause we are busted you might not feel it. But running higher keys that vers might make a difference

But then again world first 20 was done with a warrior who had 4% vers but those dudes are just out of their mind

[last crest]

i mean im not really feeling any damage on 19s in crit stance

[prisma crane]

stats in WF dont matter much anyways because they're just wearing what they had access to, dont read into stats that early

[last crest]

i just want nicer logs

[prisma crane]

gust gotta play better and cheese

[last crest]

yeah, but nice gear makes it easier

[prisma crane]

to a point, yea

[last crest]

not gonna be happy till its all 90 at least

[prisma crane]

raid team matters too

faster kill times, more adds alive longer to pad on, etc

[craggy pilot]

is the Cobalt Assembly shield ring any good?

[tender cove]

yes

[jade pulsar]

If u need a little extra survivability it's good

[tender cove]

the dps ring even better.

[craggy pilot]

yea so the dps one is the best one right?

just wondering if i should get the other one, so i can swap around for stuff like +18-19 pushing

[tender cove]

same principle as def/bstance, if you need the surviability, go for it. If not go for the dps. Its about 5% overall dps

pretty huge

[craggy pilot]

ye i know, had the dps one all this time

but just wondering if the shield one is just as strong

like 5% dps seems a lot to lose

[tender cove]

havent used it in a long time so cant give you a number but i remember it being equally strong

[weak snow]

what 😄

[jade pulsar]

100% dps loss with u dying is even worse

[tender cove]

What a world tour on pala. 28 ilvls so tastey

as much as I love warrior, i gotta say, pala feels incredibly strong rn

and the toolkit, nomnomnom... You have something for everything

[astral bane]

any M16+ tankers in here? i want to pick your brain

[jade pulsar]

Whats on ur mind

[astral bane]

how to deal with tank buster mechanics in 16+ keys... i.e., RLP searing blows dot, Jade's touch of darkness/malice?

i havent played since legion, never mained a warrior, but i feel like im doing alright, however, i do notice i do get spiked here and there, and something 1 shot.

i looked over thee gear/talents of top prot warriors on warcraft logs, and i just dont understand

[jade pulsar]

Save CDs, build up extra rage that u instantly can regen ur IP with when they hit

Thats what i do

[gaunt oasis]

Assuming I don't have the item to make a 405, and I already have a 389 weapon and shield, but shitty rings, would rings be a better buy than the embellished shield?

[astral bane]

yeah try to do that too, however, when you get a dot on you that does 90k per tick every second, its kind of hard to just keep spamming IP

[last crest]

you run double wall talent, in jade you prepare some rage IP and pray healer has brain

[tender cove]

no lariat?

[last crest]

RLP first boss is deflect + spell block

[gaunt oasis]

I just got my 392 Lariat, put 2 extra sockets in it and am trying to find someone that can make me a diamond.

but for my 2nd embellished item

[last crest]

your CD can safely cover 3times the dot with a bit of healers help

if you get 4th dot, its low dps

we just did +19 and only got two, which were both covered by wall

[astral bane]

the first boss is scary but i can manage, it's the 2nd boss's searing blows dot that gets me

[last crest]

yeah, you just run the double wall talent and make sure its prepared

[gaunt oasis]

No one wants to make diamonds, everyone wants to specialize into Lariat 😦

[short elk]

Which talent is double wall?

[astral bane]

Defender's Aegis

[last crest]

gotta log game to check its name

[astral bane]

additionally, is there a good resource i can study? i watch some youtube vids but they dont really explain anything

[last crest]

it feels insanely strong, because you pretty much only need wall for certain shit

and i can live with a bit less rage

[astral bane]

what do you sac to get Defender's Aegis?

[tender cove]

its a double talent, you just pick the other

[last crest]

the other lower wall CD and generates a bit more rage

[astral bane]

i mean, what talent do you give up to pick that up

[tender cove]

none

you pick the other option because you already have it

[last crest]

you always have that

[astral bane]

i dont have it

[last crest]

then you´re trolling

[tender cove]

its a double talent

2 talents in one node

pick the other

[craggy pilot]

does anyone know what the circles on the ground do in the end of Azure Vaults?

[last crest]

the middle route is core for every build

[craggy pilot]

like you walk over them, but do they do dmg on adds or something?

[astral bane]

BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLgAAAAASSSkkQikSSSaFEBCFJSUSSACIBtQSCJCECAAAAAAAkEAAKlCA

My current build

[tender cove]

no screenshot huh

[jade pulsar]

Better if u link picture

[astral bane]

guess that makes more sense

[last crest]

i run with this

because i love my aoe interrupt in pugs

[tender cove]

wait what

remove enduring alacity

[last crest]

you can sac this

easily

[gaunt oasis]

Yeah drop enduring lol

[astral bane]

lol done

[tender cove]

can also drop thunderlord for battering ram

[astral bane]

ill sac 1% haste and 5% sta for extra shield wall

[gaunt oasis]

Enduring is like, the impact it has is so little, I probably wouldn't take it if I had 3 more points.

[last crest]

isnt ram kinda meh outside tyrannical ?

[tender cove]

I'd take heroic throw talent before it.

[gaunt oasis]

Enduring is one of those talents that sounds great, but in reality.. yeah 😕

[tender cove]

I like it for two reason. More dps and better line up with shout for dps.

[warm plinth]

Like the rune things? They create a circle that polymorphs people that enter it. Scribes can click on a couple of books around the dungeon that lets an area of the runes be activated to work on mobs.

[craggy pilot]

scribes? as in inscription?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[last crest]

but ram doesnt lower cd anyway ?

[craggy pilot]

how do you know which work on mobs then?

[astral bane]

Why Battering ram, would Storm of Steel be better? more rage more IP?

[warm plinth]

The scribe gets an extra action button and then they use that with a targeting reticle

[tender cove]

no but thunderlord does and if you have booming voice, you're using shout for the dps bonus and that desyncs.

[warm plinth]

They choose which ones to swap

[last crest]

ah, i swapped thunderlord for aoe interrupt

[craggy pilot]

sounds weird

do they do dmg then? or just poly?

[tender cove]

that also works

[last crest]

i pull 4 packs at start of RLP

[warm plinth]

Just polys a group of mobs

[last crest]

feels the aoe interrupt allows way smoother pulls in RLP and TJT

[craggy pilot]

ah ok 🤔

[tender cove]

yeh, thats fair. I was more comparing it to thunderlord vs battering. You'll pick that for sure in some dungeons.

[last crest]

is there a way to squeeze more dps without saccing too much utility

[warm plinth]

Stop using barbaric training

[last crest]

i sacced fear for sidearm, because my grp usually ends up ccing so much mobs get immune

[tender cove]

Though as nails. remove barbaric. Can sack shockwave if you really dps horny

[warm plinth]

Fear shares DR with very few other CDs.

[last crest]

shockwave and SP too good

[warm plinth]

CCs*

[last crest]

is barbaric really bad ?

[tender cove]

You asked what utility you could sack for more dps. That would be the tradeoff.

[warm plinth]

Yez

Yes

It makes revenge do 25% more damage for 50% more rage

[last crest]

yeah, but on aoe i got so much rage idk what to do with it xD

[tender cove]

dump it into IP

[craggy pilot]

change AOE Silence to Battering Ram

[last crest]

i do that on tyrannical, yeah

[craggy pilot]

and Spell Block to Tough as Nails

[craggy pilot]

do it on any

[last crest]

doesnt feel worth to me tbh

[craggy pilot]

AOE Silence maybe good for Sanguine though dunno

what was the question for then?

sounds like you dont wanna swap anything anyway 🤣

[last crest]

i just wanted to see what people recommend

like if barbaric is badge

thats what i took off that question

[tender cove]

check the pins for the various builds, see what nom recommends for various builds. See what is defacto standard. And experiment

In a vacuum? No talent is ever really needed. Its just a crutch

[astral bane]

Took what you guys said into consideration, input appreciated

[last crest]

idk, when i was doing fury and another prot said hes not speccing shockwave i kinda cringed

[tender cove]

depends on your comp. sometimes I feel its very redudant and just DR's shit. Sometimes it feel invalueable.

[craggy pilot]

whats even happening here?

[astral bane]

I agree with you, shockwave is too good of a utility skill to let go, esp if you dps is going googoogaga and doesnt realize they need to CC

[craggy pilot]

this is what i would suggest

[astral bane]

just trying to see if there's any obviously wrong picks, keeping in mind im trying to do 16+s

[craggy pilot]

so the x and v means what?

[tender cove]

I suggest this but removing IS and change it for titanic

but thats just me

[last crest]

oh also, i swapped bulwark for Scarred Vet on +19 RLP

[craggy pilot]

IS?

Shout?

[tender cove]

intimitading shout

[last crest]

procced it 14 times the dung so i suppose it had its value

[astral bane]

oh you mean the X and checkmarks? ignore those, those are from an addon suggesting builds

[last crest]

11 times *

[craggy pilot]

why would you want Titanic though?

Shout is fucking huge cast stop

[craggy pilot]

lul

[tender cove]

I like pulling with it. It just makes shit easier, same if you have to kite and a good snap threat.
And i really never feel much use for IS.

[astral bane]

IS?

[craggy pilot]

Impending Shout

[craggy pilot]

pulling with normal Throw is fine for me tbh

[astral bane]

i dont see that in the tree

[gaunt oasis]

DPS dreams of having talent builds as flexible as prot warrior haha

[tender cove]

but then you dont get the 6 targets aoe?

[craggy pilot]

Intimidating Shout i mean 😄

[astral bane]

ah ok

[craggy pilot]

its like 0 dmg anyway, i just TC when shit comes into range

[tender cove]

its not.

[craggy pilot]

if i would swap IS, i would go Bounding Stride 100% though

in my +16 RLP just now, Heroic Strike was 0.1% of my dmg

[mellow quartz]

I play IS and bounding stride

[craggy pilot]

you have no Storm Bolt or Pain and Gain then?

[mellow quartz]

No gain

Have storm bolt

[craggy pilot]

yea was also thinking about swapping that one

pain and gain heals me for 2mil through a dung though

20% of it overheal though 🤣

[astral bane]

ok so going beyond my original question about how to deal with specific dungeon mechs at higher keys. What are you guys reading/watching to learn optimal routes?

[inland raft]

Only reason to take it is because it is the only tangible benefit one left, rest is qol like bounding/tt

But ya its very minor healing

[toxic pewter]

you guys think all totem of the master is any good or wat? cant tell if the buffs i get are even any good

[lyric geode]

I feel like overall dks are better at handling the damage than warriors.

[craggy pilot]

i just try out the dungeons and adapt

[lyric geode]

There is quite a magic damage in dungeons. Not a lot. But still noticable.

Also, the tank damage of bdks is quite good

[astral bane]

I also thought about that, i dont see a true trinket tier list or actual usefulness of it

[craggy pilot]

[toxic pewter]

ya its really hard to like put a value on this trinket tbh

[craggy pilot]

pretty good, heard it procs a lot in M+

[toxic pewter]

Ok I dont dislike it by any means but its sort of hard to guage

[craggy pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets
did you check the wowhead trinket list?

might not be super up to date though

[inland raft]

Honestly most tanks are pretty good, but the others are keeping their heads down and yelling about prot being op so that prot gets nerfed

[craggy pilot]

"prot does too much dmg"

meanwhile no one knows how to fucking do dmg as Prot 🤣

[tender cove]

What is everyones avg uptime on avatar in an m+?

[astral bane]

My trinkets currently, the windscar gets replaced by blazehoof depending on situation. but at the end of the day, i have no fucking clue

[tender cove]

yeh, you having windscar and not using it is gonna make people salty

just saying xD

[astral bane]

oh yeah, as soon as i got it, people in that group was spammiung the shit out of me

[lyric geode]

Press your keys. If you trinket isnt on cd, you do something wrong.

[tender cove]

yeh, its the best trinket by far

ppl offering tons of gold for it

[lyric geode]

Last stand isnt on cd?

Press it.

[tender cove]

you should be happy, i've seen more than 1 ppl mention they've done over 30-40 runs and still dont have it.

[astral bane]

rip

it is a super nice trinket, the damage is stupid

[tender cove]

I honestly didn't know about it until like yd when nom mentioned its the god tier 95% bis trinket xD

[grave flower]

which

[tender cove]

windscar

i got a cos +2 on my pally. watch me get it tomorrow first kill and never seeing it for entire s1 on warrior

100%

[lyric geode]

I find rumbling ruby quite good.

Better than cos trinket

[last crest]

what

[arctic marten]

Against largely magical encounters, would mastery be a more defensive stat than critical strike?

[last crest]

with whetstone i can burst about 90k on ST lol, and its aoe is just juicy

[lyric geode]

I run blazebinder hoof and rumbling ruby.

[last crest]

how can rumling be even remotely as good

[lyric geode]

I find it quite fascinating both of the trinkets.

[lyric geode]

The extra attack power is nice.

While the aoe dmg is also good.

[last crest]

i dont think it can even remotely compare to 315k on 2min cd

maybe in NO

but whetstone is just too good

[lyric geode]

Keep in mind that you do see the extra damage you deal with the melee attacks.

Also, lastly. It is a passive trinket which means less buttons you have to press on. So for the lazy guys like myself. I am more than happy.

[tender cove]

By all means but dont say its better

[last crest]

whetstone is almost as good as HC torch and doesnt lock you down

[lyric geode]

Well, in my defence. Rarely people run with 2 active trinkets because you cant press them together.

So you need a passive one.

[last crest]

or you just use 3min and 2 min

or Idol Hooves

[tender cove]

or just press them every other time and line up with avatar.

[last crest]

lining up with avatar is monka, it has unstable CD xD

[tender cove]

i've been running double onuse for almost entire s1. It's not a huge issue.

[last crest]

double onuse ?

[tender cove]

hoof and bonemaw

[last crest]

ah on use

i feel like im damn trinket factory tbh

[urban portal]

dont even need to line anything up with avatar

except maybe puzzle

even then you are never casting puzzle mid pull

[tender cove]

you and me both, only thing that drops consistently but never what i really want xD

[tender cove]

i honestly just macrod both to avatar but didnt wanna sound stupid xD

[last crest]

i had to do 71 CoS runs to get the trinket though)

18 AA in and football nowhere to be found either

[tender cove]

wow, that's even worse than my runs for hakkar trinket, think i got it after 36 tries or smt.

wait. 71 runs? i dont think i've done half that yet, for my total

😮

[last crest]

yeah, im pretty degen, because PoE league sucks ass and i got nothing to play

i wish i didnt need to raid though

but fucking sets and rings :pepeh

[tender cove]

mmm, i start my first raid this wednesday, we couldnt get people over christmas so had to cancel first 2 weeks 😦

[last crest]

catalyst in 2 weeks though

[tender cove]

gonna be nice and I lucked out with a lfr tier piece so can fill out a bit

[desert patio]

Catalyst in 2 weeks

Augh

[last crest]

only way ill get fakin 4piece

we got 6 rogues :pepeh

[lucid dew]

Anyone using both Windscar and decoration of flame?

I feel like you can just kind to stagger the on use and be fine

[tulip kelp]

Is there a breakdown of threat generated by ability? Having some issues with aggro on pulls a lot and want to prioritize globals

Like I'll charge > SS -> SB -> TC but people pull/die by then esp groups that are bigger then radius of my TC

[tender cove]

TC both does damage and applies rend. If the group is closed up, i open with TC. If the group is bit spread out, i'll open with revenge and hold TC just a tiny bit until they'll hit everything.

[tulip kelp]

Sometimes I get trucked for so much dmg on pull hence the SS -> SB

And yeah I know it applies rend lol

[tender cove]

you get a free revenge proc on charge

[tulip kelp]

Just curious if there's a rank of threat

[tender cove]

or well, you should if you use the m+ talents

[cursive temple]

If your dps dies 1s into the big pull, that you're supposed to stack first, it's their problem, tbh

[tender cove]

tc also generates and doesnt cost, so you can still sb and you should

[tulip kelp]

Yeah the issue is globals

Because people are dying pretty fast into pull

[tender cove]

tell them to wait

it sounds more like a dps issue than a you issue

but hard to say without logs

[tulip kelp]

So back to original question tho.. is there a breakdown of threat per ability?

Like is TC more threat than revenge? Or less

[tender cove]

if they have "generates high threat" they are above the others, if not based on the dmg it does. SS would win.

but you're struggling in packs and SS wont help you there

[tulip kelp]

Yeah SB is the killer.. my gaer only 397 and on 18s I get trucked hard if I don't get SB up asap

[rotund apex]

Hey sorry to jump in the middle of this, but are you all using frozen devotion in m+ and using a different weapon with sophic on it for raiding/ st?

[tender cove]

If its really scary packs, prepull with SW or Shout.

And really, again

if you use correct talents

you get revenge and sb on charge

so use tc or rev

[cursive temple]

Yeah, charge>TC>SB into the pack, then revenge for aggro. It's usually enough. Try tracking DPS cds so you line up something with them as well for aggro (ravager/avatar/shield charge/roar), so they don't rip threat off you or ask them to wait 2-3sec before blasting all cds there 🤔

[tender cove]

I haven't given it much thought until now and my first dump is also SB but wouldn't it be better to do a low rage pull dump into IP rather than SB.
Since you get it from champions bulwark and will extend it with SS anyhow?

[cursive temple]

Nah, you should always SB first over IP, more dmg mitigation, plus you might not have shield charge ready for every single pack if you don't hold it. Another thing is that you can pull rage before pack dies for the next if packs are close to each other

[tender cove]

Dont have double weapon but even if I did, i would still probably use the one with the best stats and change between cheaper enchant everytime if i wanted to minmax that much.

[lusty grotto]

sophic

and only sophic

[tender cove]

ohh yeh, i was thinking of reprisal and not SC. You're totally right.

god, i can be so stupid sometimes xD

[cursive temple]

Reprisal

[tender cove]

ill just silently go the corner and you can shame me.

[cursive temple]

Yeah that's right

[compact jackal]

AV is a Spell Block one right?

[mellow quartz]

Spell block is good for the trash around the 2nd boss however not needed for the rest of the dungeon really.

[crystal canopy]

Anyone know how to get easy artisans mettles for crafting upgrade ?

[sleek rock]

what are the spark craft prios?

[sick sentinel]

How do I make a target of target macro for intervene

[analog sparrow]

if im using the wowhead build and drop barbaric training, whats the best spot for that poihnt?

[compact portal]

intim shout

[sick current]

hiii gyts

guys

can a high key prot warrior audit me please I havbe so many questions

[toxic pewter]

you guys use frozen devotion or sophic devotion these days

[sick current]

i feel like I ask the same question daily but i need a 1 on 1 session to really understand some things

[warm plinth]

you can sim it

[urban portal]

frozen for pure dps usually

[last crest]

is there a way how to sim talents?

saw few warriors running bleed duration on council

[weak snow]

meh i got spiteful storm from weekly, thats dog isnt it?^^

[sick current]

i think im going to just get the shield from the heroic raid first boss since its 50% drop, so what should i craft with my third spark?

[last crest]

wrist > lariat > fill

i craft weapon because its efortless 418 piece

[sick current]

yeah

im going to do wrist lariat weapon

primal molten vambraces? or a diff wrist?

[sick current]

oh yeah those are nice

i am doing m+ only no raids

so you think those 3 are still bis?