protection

[edgy grail]

You havent really said anything 😂

[blazing condor]

yeah i realised lol

but i mean

you get X score for doing a key at X level

thats about it

then it just adds up

you get X score for CoS14 and Y score for CoS4

idk exactly how much score each keystone level is worth but thats what you get

[livid aurora]

Yeah at first I thought it was just add the score for both, but that doesn't seem to be it

[stuck basin]

the lower scored key tyr or fortified counzs 1/3 to the total score in the dungeon

[warm plinth]

You get x base score for the high key, and 1/3 of that for the lower dungeon. If you do a key that's over +10, you get +2 points per key level over 10 (added after the 33% calculation on the low key). It gets a bit more complicated if you're upgrading a key below 11 because you also get a certain number of points per affix.

[stuck basin]

so you have the base score from your 17 fortify + 1/3* base of 14 tyrannic

[warm plinth]

It's 7.5 points per affix on the keystone + 15 for the seasonal affix.

[broken cedar]

There's also a scaling bonus for how much you beat the timer by

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can get up to 7.5 points extra at 40% faster than the timer, and you can lose up to 15 points at 40% slower than the timer (past 40% you get nothing for the key)

[livid aurora]

Was hoping to get ksm this week, but have a couple of low ones on tyrannical week and I literally keep getting the same three keys over and over

The game really wants me to do jade or vault

I despise vault and jade

[feral dune]

what dgns do we not need it?

[edgy grail]

You take it for TOJS and RLP basically

[feral dune]

whatta bout NO?

[edgy grail]

If you have a use case for it sure

Depends what you struggle with

[feral dune]

i have trouble keeping IP and SB up

[cosmic pond]

I can see the 2nd boss area being pretty good for NO on really high keys as there's a lot of magic dmg there

[warm plinth]

The former is not super important and the latter is not something that should be difficult.

[cosmic pond]

But for the rest it's eeeeh

[warm plinth]

I would guess at a start that you're probably running Barbaric Training, which you shouldn't be.

[feral dune]

I am yeah

[warm plinth]

yeah get rid of that

[feral dune]

and get what?

[warm plinth]

depends on what your build currently looks like

[feral dune]

i took it out and added it somewhere random

[warm plinth]

Either Bounding Stride or Pain and Gain are common

[sleek basin]

are we stacking mastery insted of versa?

[warm plinth]

No

We aren't stacking vers either

[sleek basin]

im really weirded out by the build of the top tanks from raider io

i always thought it was hast versa

[warm plinth]

ilevel > haste > crit=vers > mast

[steel mauve]

i wouldnt try to imitate what they do as gospel, some times they have a specific plan, some times they just use what drops, we stack ilvl >> haste > crit/vers/mastery

[sleek basin]

its not that i want to imitate them

i just wanted to understand why they are using those stats

[steel mauve]

most likely because they are the highest ilvl they have for those slots

stat budget > any specific stat

[sleek basin]

might be a good reason

[warm plinth]

Well you'd have to ask them I suppose.

They are doing content that the vast majority of us aren't

[sleek basin]

yeah, i usually try to build myself that way

ok, gonna check when one of them streams and ask them

[warm plinth]

Just make sure you don't take it as gospel, like what was mentioned

Top players have been wrong before, quite often.

[sleek basin]

yep

[solar blade]

really gotta stop bandwagoning top 10 rio, happened to much in s3-s4 with lock and hunter...and i saw some pretty bad fotm player that just bandwagoned every single thing possible

[steel mauve]

its not a bad idea to gain information on what they are doing, but its bad to imitate without knowledge, learn why they do some thing and if it makes sense then judge whether its good information or not

[sleek basin]

i always check what the top 100 players from my spec are doing, and if for example everyone has a specific talent, usually its cause its broken

[steel mauve]

just like its extremely good to gain information from multiple sources to get a better understanding instead of just reading one guide or post and not trying to find out if there is contradicting information out there

[mystic radish]

Heya 🙂 you offered to help me finding where I do shitty rotaion 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jgnmRtYVPJHb2MQX/#fight=last&type=summary&source=6 Would appreciate you having a look

[maiden shoal]

is anyone having wa to track tier set ?

[mystic radish]

I just did a prorgess bar

[hollow parcel]

what are you guys crafting with the third spark?

[mystic radish]

I Went 1 sword, 2 shield, 3 lariat

[hollow parcel]

guess the shield with no embellishment just for ilvl?

[mystic radish]

I went with armor spikes on shield. Cannot afford a recraft to remove the embellishment 😄 so I removed the fang from the sword

[thorny stone]

@patent osprey is a good tank to watch on youtube, he just uploaded some mythic+ runs, dorki on twitch, @shut summit when he uploads some

[mystic radish]

Ofc everybody can tell me where im trash 😄

[feral stirrup]

Where is Prot warrior FAQ

[blazing condor]

guides in there as well

[pine lotus]

Is brutal vitality still bugged?

[jagged pier]

blocked hits a little low, most of your casts are a tad low expect IP which is to high, revenge, thunderous roar and ravager can be casted far more. also wasting rage some rage

[inland raft]

anything inherently wrong with this talent setup?

[mystic radish]

So what would you recommend me? Trying to dump more rage on revenge, using my cds better

[loud patrol]

tbh it looks nice

[mystic radish]

"blocked hits a little low, most of your casts are a tad low expect IP which is to high" I dont understand this x:

[uncut notch]

Haste Crit my boy

gotta send TR to the moon

[mystic radish]

Haste vers? X:

[south zealot]

you are using too little abilities besides ignore pain which you are using too often

[uncut notch]

^ this

Get a WA that tracks IP

[south zealot]

make sure to have shield block up always

[uncut notch]

and just keep it at like 30-50% unless youre rage capped (unless you know theres a big unblockable hit coming in)

and cast Shield block as much as poss

[south zealot]

this is fine. i usually use HR instead of into the fray and BSV instead of spell block though

[uncut notch]

I wouldnt bother with spell block, i've only been doing 15/16s but have had no issues that have led me to think i needed it

cant speak for the boys pushing 20+ tho

[cinder storm]

Swap ITF for HR, take bolster out and go battering ram

[uncut notch]

Thinking bloodborne instead of punish too?

[cinder storm]

No

[uncut notch]

Surely the 15% buff to rend, wounds, and TR is better than minor SS buff?

[cinder storm]

Punish is still a lot better

[pine lotus]

What’s TR

[south zealot]

thunderous roar

[uncut notch]

Thunderous roar, your one click "send me to the moon" button

[pine lotus]

Ideally I try and line up ravager/thunderous roar with shout/avatar but how long should I hold them to make sure they line up? Since they have different cooldowns

[inland raft]

they line up pretty well if you dont take thunderlord in my experience

[cinder storm]

It depends on some pulls too

[pine lotus]

Doesn’t shout have a 45 sec and they are a minute each?

Would I hold the shout for 15 sec

[uncut notch]

30-35 sec ish with TL tho

[inland raft]

avatar gets pretty close to half off with amount of rage we spend so practically every other avatar/shout can line up, theres a little variance but its pretty close

[pine lotus]

Okay thank you. At the very least do y’all make sure you have shout up

[inland raft]

i guess if its only a couple seconds to wait, but generally dont hold cds

[uncut notch]

I try to align TR with shout but send regardless

have had no problem hitting 50k+ in keys regularly

you can get like 300k bursts in places with Tr too which is nice

[pine lotus]

I’ve been doing ravager+ TR b2b essentially

[uncut notch]

Wouldnt bother with rav

Unless youre trying to chase parse

just send

[pine lotus]

Okay thank you very much

[uncut notch]

The good thing about pwar is that all of its CD;s are little and often

avatar every 30 sec, shout every 35 sec, ravager and TR every 90 sec

So its not really worth holding because theyre all so quick to come back up

[hazy sluice]

Yo do u pull your shout pre dmg or does the 15% health up also heal the 15%

[fading tide]

With the tree boss what do I do about the lasher toxic dot? It just wrecked me on a 15

[formal ledge]

Hi guys, when do you switch to Def stance only (or some switch on low dmg bosses ) ? After +15 ?

[hazy sluice]

Def CDs and heal should cleanse I guess ? Try to cycle aoe stuns/cc to avoid too many stacks

[fading tide]

Did three tries got to 50 stacks each time and got wrecked. I can survive wave 2 but not wave 4

[cinder storm]

Find better dps

You should not be seeing a wave 3 on fort on a 15

[amber siren]

You can run bitter immunity for one set, but that's pretty extreme for a 15 fort

[fading tide]

Really? I should only be seeing the tree boss cast germinate twice?

[cinder storm]

I mean, yeah, kinda, if you are seeing a wave 4 of adds your dps shouldn't be doing that key level, at all

[fading tide]

Yea it was 2 waves of the lashers that don’t attack and 2 waves of the ones that do. I pop all my D CDs on wave two but by wave 4 I’m fucked

[cinder storm]

Ah, in that case you can use potion of shocking enclosures and rotate ccs

Can do first with CDs, second with pots at that level should be fine

[fading tide]

Should I be kiting?

[hazy sluice]

The ones that don't attack u shouldn't do anything. Just normal cleave. The first wave they attack all dds pull their CDs and u only need one shield wall and aoe stuns. At the 2nd wave they attack use another def CDs and so on

[cinder storm]

If you need to yeah

[fading tide]

Ok I’ll try it again key got bumped down to 14

[cinder storm]

Can always have them lust when lashers spawn

[craggy pilot]

i usually use lust on the 2nd heal add

which will usually be when you get 2nd uproot

so CDs on first uproot

and lust on 2nd

[cinder storm]

Shocking enclosures pot is huge there

[craggy pilot]

also that

but honestly if you die to the DOT, the adds are probably not dying fast enough

you can Shield Wall the first set, and Last Stand the 2nd

[fading tide]

Yea I was getting to 60 stacks lol

[lofty widget]

just bring a class who can dispell it

makes it completely trivial

[fading tide]

Druid can?

[lofty widget]

druid monk paladin evoker

[mellow quartz]

Evoker on a 1 min cd though

[feral stirrup]

thanks buddy

[lofty widget]

evokers can dispell magic+poison

not just with cauterize thing

[cinder storm]

I don't think tree is a bad boss, the overlaps are the main issue

Imo

[sullen flame]

I just take bitter immunity to that dungeon. Use it and last stand on set 1, wall on set 2.

[bold turret]

can you utilise stuns to prevent adds stacking up too quickly? Shockwave I mean

[amber siren]

yeah the poison is applied on a melee hit so anything that stops them hitting you

[cerulean tusk]

Last time my paladin found a great way to save me from taking stacks... BoP

[cinder storm]

First time someone BoP during bfa they said, "you don't have the macro?!" That was a fun wipe

[sick sentinel]

no class tuning in over a week, im scared guys

[cinder storm]

They are on vacation

Next week for sure

[cerulean tusk]

I got cancelaura macroed to shield block, revenge and shieldslam. Sadly in 1 sec DPS turn to red mist

Tho, BoS is life, so I always forgive

[cinder storm]

Not at home, has anyone tried to intervene + spell reflect chillstorm?

[amber siren]

Intervene is just physical damage I'm 95% sure

[bold linden]

Pretty Sure you can reflect spells, too

[cerulean tusk]

Intervene works against all attacks that count as strikes or shots. It can redirect strikes that do magical damage. Example, the magical strike tankbuster from the last boss in ToP

What counts is always the iffy part to guess. Shots in KR? Yes. Shots in HoV? No.

[hazy sluice]

So what's up with the wall strat in shadowmoon burial ? The dangerous part is the debuff u get from the wall ? And it falls of when the wall disappears so u just wait on the edge and then walk through and once the debuff clears it's all good ?

[cerulean tusk]

Warlock gateway or blinks/leaps for cheese, ye. Just. Don't die to the 2 ticks

[hazy sluice]

But staying inside the purple part deals huge dmg ? So classes without immunities/ blinks can't do it ?

[amber siren]

Cool, thanks!

[cinder storm]

You'd have to time lock gate because the hitboxes are slightly weird

[inland raft]

is mdt screwed up on academy?

[cinder storm]

Count is a bit off

[inland raft]

yesterday route showed 99.73 today same route shows 110.6 which is why was wondering

[amber siren]

Yeah the % for the elemental boss trash is super inflated

RLP has some issues too

[cold echo]

Hello, can you tell me howto deal with Intimidating shout in m+ plz? How to use it because trashs will run away or something

[neat harbor]

Evening guys, so I'm leveling up my prot warrior atm... just dinged 67 and seem to have hit some kind of scaling 'breakpoint' in LFG dungeons*; I went from 60-66 = taking 0 damage, pulling packs of 15-20 mobs at a time, taking 0 dmg and doing like 25k DPS, to now doing 8k DPS and getting trucked by groups of 5 mobs

is this strictly a level-based thing or is ilvl a factor?

[cerulean tusk]

People AoE? Use it. It breaks instantly.

[bold turret]

Generally dps break it by cleaving

Good as a stop

[cerulean tusk]

Don't worry about it. Just use ignore pain more

[neat harbor]

I'm not worried about it, I just want to know how it works

and whether I can cheese it by reducing my own ilvl

[cerulean tusk]

Ilvl affects survivability, yea.

[neat harbor]

It's max-ivll though right? so even like all the stuff in your bank?

[cold echo]

OK thanks

[cerulean tusk]

Normal dungeons scale on a level template. Just keep mass pulling and spam IP. You will be fine.

[neat harbor]

I'm not able to though, is the thing

I said Im getting trucked by packs of 5 now

whereas before it took 20

so its affecting my pull sizes

especially with PUG healers

[cerulean tusk]

Then you are doing something wrong. Healers are not needed in normals. If worst comes to worst, Defstance will keep the scaling away. Just remember to use victory on CD in rougher spots and shockwave for stops

[neat harbor]

DUde are you reading what I posted?

this has to be a troll

[neat harbor]

'Healers are not needed in normal' Have you used LFG 60-70?

methinks not

[gritty glen]

Chill

[idle idol]

hi, is frozen devotion better than sophic devotion in m+?

[neat harbor]

I've tanked since '04 lol, I'm literally just asking about the scaling factors in LFG dungeons

I appreciate the effort but don't need rotation advice 😄

[dense verge]

Any tips for the pack before last boss in jade serpent?

[cinder storm]

Git gud then

[neat harbor]

but thanks though (didnt mean that to be rude)

[idle idol]

spell block tallented

[cinder storm]

Aegis + spellblock

[neat harbor]

I really just wanna know if I can tank my own ilvl and 'fix' the scaling

[brave portal]

Do it then .

[cinder storm]

Honestly, the scaling was fine for me, I had no issues whatsoever in those dungeons

[brave portal]

Stick good stuff in bank, wear lesser ilvl stuff.

[dense verge]

Aegis?

[idle idol]

double shield wall tallent

[cinder storm]

Aegis defender, double shield wall

[cerulean tusk]

Leveled that way, as prot warr. Yes. Had 0 problems you are describing. So my best guess got to be ability usage or maybe I am just lucky on parries.

[dense verge]

Ahhh ok thanks

[neat harbor]

No you're not wrong, there's no 'issues' per se, like I can still pull 5-10 and be ok

but my damage fell off a cliff

so has to be some wonky scaling stuff going on

I gained damage talents, and damage went down by 50% lol

[cerulean tusk]

Damage falls off, yes. But you shouldn't die tho

[frozen rose]

How does the dam beer extra action button work in hov? I grab it for the mini bosses, it disappears

[neat harbor]

I would def die with the same packs of 20 I pulled @ 60-66.

[idle idol]

bump

[neat harbor]

in the same dungeons

is pretty much what Im getting at here

[dawn falcon]

you are getting scaled

[brave portal]

@frozen rose don't grab it until you have no other mobs to kill

[dawn falcon]

scaling is funky

[brave portal]

Then throw the beer at first, talk to second

[cinder storm]

Frozen seems the better choice

[brave portal]

And you should be golden.

[neat harbor]

Thanks - this is what I was after, so ilvl is a factor, then. I'll do this and see what happens.

[brave portal]

Indeed, it would be food to know

I found the same issue with my prot paladin to be fair. Just didn't think much of it

[neat harbor]

Yeah I'm 68 so it shouldn't bother me either, it just triggers my OCD lol

wanna pull big! 😮

[neat harbor]

And thanks for your help as well 👌

[oak echo]

goes away when you enter combat. so first you don't grab it till the 2 lightning dudes at the gate die. then you throw it at one of the kings besides the one you're gonna talk to first

[frozen rose]

@oak echo ah perfect ok thx

[grave wedge]

So im really lost with professions as a whole atm. But some of our bis is crafted or something?

[cerulean tusk]

Go alchemist and engineering. All items can be ordered crafted

[fading tide]

Is tanking a 16 azure a bad idea if I’m never tanked higher then a 2 azure

[cerulean tusk]

Yes, if you got to ask the question

Try a 10 first to get to know the place

[oak echo]

how many times did you do a +2 to know how the dungeon and trash works? trash is very punishing in there if you go in thinking you can slam it like a 2

[grave wedge]

Im going gathering atm for the gold. Just confused on what to craft and what ilvl i shoukd be doing seems like it possible to make the wrong thing /weaker version

[fading tide]

Maybe I’ll just go fury and get carried

[cerulean tusk]

Make items from the drop item from m+16, and you guchi, Sully.

Rest is in the pins

[oak echo]

there's a very long and complicated answer to your question if you're going in with not much background info on it. i'd recommend the wowhead profession guides they put out around launch. what you're describing is largely related to how the different qualities and recrafting work

[frozen rose]

use violent outburst on shield slam, right?

[oak echo]

class guides also have recommended crafts but ultimately it comes down to what you wanna do. min/maxing the best possible items is not a hard requirement

[neat harbor]

Lmao, it works exactly like you said

I took all my 'new' gear from DF and put it in bank

full ilvl 240

now Im an unstoppable death machine again

this scaling broken AF in LFG

(lvl 68 prot warr)

[mental owl]

Sophic vs Frozen for m+?

[grave wedge]

16s for the big boy crafts perfect. Ive been struggling with loot so ive been going slower than i need to be pugging also sucks lol

Almost at 16s cruising through a 14 AA but i invited a healer from rag who stood in shit died twice then left lol

[spice cedar]

as prot warr is there anything we do as fire dmg ?

for this

[untold adder]

decoration of flame

[edgy grail]

Frostfire crafted belt

[cinder storm]

Fire frost belt

[limpid anchor]

Belt fire frost

[cinder storm]

Ah I got it the other way round

[spice cedar]

BS craft it ?

is this ring good anyway? got it from weekly quest and still didnt do any spark item

[weary python]

Yes?

[autumn patio]

can some1 please share a mdt route for AA?

the ones im getting from the internet seems incomplete (only getting to 74%)

[limpid anchor]

I think mdt is bugged atm for aa?

Or I’m stupid, dunno

The route I did was 100% according to mdt but only 90 during the dungeon

[deep cargo]

Do you guys find that you’re primarily in defense or battle stance most of a key or do you swap back and forth regularly

[limpid anchor]

19-20 switching around

Below that only battle stance

[limber galleon]

Mostly battle stance but I swap to def whenever I need a small cooldown

[inland raft]

blazebinder's hoof or decoration of flame?

[wise oak]

is lariat worth getting on prot? pin saying an average of 1%, would wrists be a better craft?

[cerulean tusk]

Belt+Fire dmg ring

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[fair oxide]

So, finally got a Ruby Whelp Shell - should I be hype?

[heavy temple]

do you guys play with int shout or shockwave on ras hc?

[fallen pulsar]

I went for embellishments items that gave me the biggest ilvl increase, so molten sword with fangs and frostfire belt

I couldn’t justify a lariat since my m+ box gave me a 408 neck with 900 haste lol

[fair oxide]

I went Lariat/Shield.

[heavy temple]

It's w/e besides belt I think

I guess you really want the belt so you can justify wanting the fire rings

[fallen pulsar]

Ye

[tired forge]

That good for fury also?

Trying to think of what to craft next that’s good for both

[fallen pulsar]

I’d assume belt and lariat are your best options since one hand fury isn’t meta iirc

Otherwise you could share a weapon

[tired forge]

Yeah right now I have shield and lariat

Thinking either just go 2h for fury or belt/bracers for both

[rose oar]

Hi guys i'm new as tank , and sometimes i have trouble to keep the aggro when the pack is like 5+

any advices ?

[toxic pewter]

press thunderclap and revenge more

[fair oxide]

^

Also, mark your focus targets.

So your DPS isn't yoloing all over the place.

[toxic pewter]

try and hit mobs before dps too

[rose oar]

okay and when you have range mobs how do you manage the pack , you get the pack to the range ?

okok got it !

[toxic pewter]

sort of try and group mobs together as best as you can

[untold adder]

remember that heroic throw has no CD and does high threat as well

[cerulean tusk]

Mark something with skull, it takes 20% more damage, dps goes crazy on it

[fair oxide]

We have a lot of movement, so take advantage of that, too. 🙂

[untold adder]

use your first interrupt to align that 1 casting idiot mob that wont stand with the rest

[rose oar]

got it thank you guys , my questions can look stupid sorry

[untold adder]

so charge in; avatar, demo, thunderclap (you now have giga threat) interrupt the caster, group them up and thundershock when it makes sense

[rose oar]

you guys play with ravager ?

[untold adder]

yes

[rose oar]

and storm bolt i guess

[untold adder]

remember never to cap at 100 rage, click revenge and ignore pain so your avatar gets ready more faster

[rose oar]

ohh okok

[fallen pulsar]

And shield block

It stacks duration

[fair oxide]

No stupid questions, homie. ❤️

[untold adder]

Shield slam is most important spell, can give you almost 100% uptime on shild block

and does giga dmg

AND gives rage, omg

[rose oar]

yea saw that for big packs , charge , avatar , Last stand, Demo , shield block

[tired forge]

So I started tracking when shield slam/thunderclap is empowered so I don’t waste it on t clap. What do you do if shield slam is on cd and I have no rage?

Just wait or use t clap?

[fallen pulsar]

T clap

[tired forge]

I fine I’m just sitting there like an idiot

[untold adder]

just t-clap lol

[tired forge]

Ok

[untold adder]

Clap things, thats what we do

[rose oar]

❤️

[fair oxide]

^

[fallen pulsar]

T clap can reset shield block

So its better than waiting

[tired forge]

I was just reading before that it’s a big dps lost to waste the empowered ss

Ok

I thought so but I figured I was doing something wrong

[untold adder]

And remember, Tcalp does more dmg than revenge, but it generates rage instead of spending it. Always Tclap over revenge (almost..)

[fallen pulsar]

I mean idk less than 1 second cd might be dine to hold

[tired forge]

Yeah I’m talked 4s lol

[fallen pulsar]

But like thats rare to see ss go to 1 sec cd

[tired forge]

It felt bad so I was pretty sure it was wrong

[rose oar]

you all have a bind for marks ? or do you use a WA ?

[untold adder]

i use opie

[fallen pulsar]

I have a skull mark macro

[tired forge]

I use caps lock

[fair oxide]

I use my F keys

[hazy sluice]

Mouse over for 4 different marks and world markers with opie

But for m+ Automark addon so far worked

[untold adder]

ive bound opie to ½ (next to 1) and shift+½ for world-markers. feels amazing

[rose oar]

okok thanks gonna try automark , and to bind skull somewhere

[blazing condor]

lost my 19 TJS on the last boss

sucks when you managed the actual tough parts of the dg

[slim dove]

healer issue kek

SHOULDA BROUGHT LOCK DISPEL

[sick sentinel]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/marking-bar-lives

the best marking addon

[cerulean tusk]

On the last boss... not the jade Panda? Now that feels bad.

[sick sentinel]

as party leader or raid assist, you can do world markers

as in, go stand over here

[blazing condor]

even had a lock but nope. healer would place his clone 500 yards away and tank the fixate

[slim dove]

lol i know its only 3rd week

but thats some 5iq shit

[blazing condor]

unlucki

[sick sentinel]

Shit happens, go next.

[scenic burrow]

any professions give a benefit to prot or just take whatever?

[jovial birch]

I always tell everyone stack on me before I pull last boss assuming they don’t know what’s up

[slate root]

have anything where i can sim items for tank?

like raidbots for dps

[jovial birch]

Raidbots works for tank

I mean it’s simming your damage and as prot warrior your survivability is in CDs not really gear.

[slate root]

so i just sim like a dps?

[jovial birch]

What I’m getting at is if it sims as a DPS increase wear it don’t worry about secondary stats

[cerulean tusk]

If it gives vers/haste, it is a safe pick. Higher ilvl means more armor and stamina, that in turn means you can take more damage before being floored. Higher strength helps you survive better. So even if you lose DPS on sims, ilvl is the winner for the job you gotta do. On equal ilvl gear, vers for suvival, crit for damage. Formfit it for what you need for your content level

[lusty narwhal]

Should we just have double dps trinkets as well ? Or one of each

[upper tinsel]

What should i upgrade first to 418 , lariat , weapon or shield ? any recommendations ?

[slate root]

my question are more about trinkets

like

this give me a massive haste

but this gives me a lot of shield and 10 more strenght

[compact portal]

depends how much u value the shield, imo it sucks cuz it prob just randomly procs when u don’t need it

[acoustic jewel]

it pays to trade 2 pieces 400+ to get 4p?

395 for 405 and 382 for 402

[bold ginkgo]

Can anyone tell me how to get stats from Ruby Whelp Shell please?

[sick sentinel]

how do you mean sorry

i have it in bags but i don't use it

[bold ginkgo]

the shell has 3 types of proc which you get from targetting something and using it right? I just wanted to give it a try. I did it on a dragon whelp and got the fire damage, and then on a player and got the same

just wondering if there is a target that guarantees the stat proc or am I misunderstanding how this works?

[heavy temple]

id just sim it

[maiden seal]

should i prioritize recrafting my lariat or my shield from 392 to 405?

[heavy temple]

the shield proc is kinda meh

thats from a 20 hov

it just procs randomly

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193757/ruby-whelp-shell?bonus=7974#comments im not sure either reading wowhead comments

top comment might be able to help you though

[slim dove]

shield

[slim dove]

the types of procs dont change based on used. RUmour thats been disproven

whelp shell is very underwhelming

[woven trellis]

hi, i crafted 1h and shield with spark and dont want to craft lariat

any good suggestion for last item? my two embellishment are added on my wep and shield already

[frosty mango]

The other neck is good

[woven trellis]

i should have said i dont want to craft a neck sory

[frosty mango]

Imo id go biggest piece you don't plan to wear tier in

[woven trellis]

i just want to have one character that doesnt craft lariat, its not logical, its just cause im pissed of about looting useless necklace all the time

so it would be like ring, waist wrist or feet

hard to chose

[frosty mango]

Imo not ring because they're cheap to valor upgrade

[pulsar sedge]

I mean.. Lariat isnt make or break

Its about a 1% dps increase

[toxic pewter]

so has anyone determined how cobalt rings compare to regular rings? should i use 398 ring over a cobalt ring

[pulsar sedge]

Same as the embelishments

Cobalt ring does about 3-4% of my dps in a key. Thats about all i know.

[brisk sandal]

How do you guys deal with those void slash mobs in smbg, just hard kite them?

[pulsar sedge]

The skeletons?

[woven trellis]

ye it feels like cobalt ring is stronger for tanks does so much dps

[brisk sandal]

Yeah the skeletons with the mender before the first boss

[pulsar sedge]

Kite them beetches

[brisk sandal]

Yeah scary af

[pulsar sedge]

Run in. cc them. get dots rolling.. run out.. kite back to caster and interupt him.. get more cc on.. rinse repeat

Havent tried spell block on them yet tho, might fix that pack @winged grail

[brisk sandal]

Yeah i was thinking to try it next im there

I did a 17 and had to do a run back of shame 3 times, its good that the timer of that dungeon is very forgiving

[winged grail]

I wonder if the talent that allows you to block spells works on those

[silk cliff]

this is kinda dog iirc cus proc chance is so low

[winged grail]

Depends what you prioritize. You should sim it and look at the DPS / DTPS / HPS

[slim dove]

rotate defensives

stun 2 so they desync

[pulsar sedge]

Both are pretty bad trinkets, but i would take the haste over the defense trinket

[spice anchor]

New prot warrior. Should I be looking for all haste vers or do I need a mixture of crit as well?

[queen latch]

feel like shadowlands had much better tank trinkets unless im missing something

[pulsar sedge]

Idk, but DF has much better dps trinkets ;D

[slim dove]

grief, boon and whetstone being broken as fuck you mean

[pulsar sedge]

Among other trinkets lol

[strong forum]

Nothing better than the good ol just parry it 4head

[steady steppe]

w

[strong forum]

Grats!

[steady steppe]

first group i feel like were actually playing the game

18 seconds from 2 chesting 15 RLP

with 4 deaths

[cinder storm]

Until 418 or until one sims higher

[lusty narwhal]

What trinket is boon.

[lofty widget]

can someone explain this?

i thought dark claw was reflectable

[strong forum]

It is

[lofty widget]

so why did it kill me when i had reflect up

[strong forum]

That I can't answer

[weak crest]

i have 2 spark and im really undecided of what to craft, any suggestions?

[blazing condor]

i don tfeel like dark claw gets reflected when i play tjs

just mitigated

[severe steeple]

sword shield will carry you a long way

[lean gale]

i have the ring from court of stars. Should i just upgrade the ring with valor?=

[lusty tiger]

Crit is >=

[cinder storm]

What ilvl? The answer is probably still wait this early in the season

[lean gale]

395

[modern brook]

The first one was reflected the 2nd wasnt?

Oh nvm I reas that wrong

Spell reflext stays up after reflect tho still

Probably ate something else?

[strong forum]

Nah

[brisk sandal]

Niiice

[strong forum]

The blue helmet is the magic DR

The spell reflect icon is the actual reflect

They gave SR 2 buffs to make it simple for them to keep up the DR even when a spell has been reflected/deflected

[hazy sluice]

is there a mouse over charge and intervene macro?

[cinder storm]

Why the food buff shows on the second line and not the first?

[blazing condor]

he ate something else

[cinder storm]

Gotta chew your food

I'm dumb

[tribal oyster]

what dps should i be hitting around il 396?

[stark lance]

What dungeons do you take spell block on?

And is there ever a good dungeon to take aegis?

[last marten]

at what point do should i replace assembly Guardian Ring?

[cinder storm]

Depends on dungeons and pulls, and if you stay in b stance and if you have tier and trinkets

[cinder storm]

When a 418 or higher ilvl Sims higher

[cinder storm]

Temple, rlp and av for spell block and aegis, in that order, I haven't seen much need for aegis or spellblock in AV myself yet

[tribal oyster]

i have 4 set. i norm stay in defensive. how much would battle add? do i just need to use defensive on the bad pull groups?

[last marten]

well, im using the one that gives a shield, so pretty much any ring even below 389 sims higher 😛

[fading tide]

Am I supposed to do something when the dread lord cast shadow bolt in COS?

[cinder storm]

You should be using the one that gives dps

[cinder storm]

You should be on b stance and use d stance as a CD or when you are really scared which should be almost never

[last marten]

ait, and im new to all this simming stuff, how do you sim 2 items up against eachoter?

[cinder storm]

Pray your healer does something

[tribal oyster]

ok thats good to know

[cinder storm]

Gear compare, droptimizer, top gear

[indigo lotus]

I've got Ruby Whelp Shell on prot warrior which status should I use, buff secondary stats or random dmg proc?

[cinder storm]

The trinket is underwhelming, use whatever you want, won't make much difference

[indigo lotus]

k, ty

[toxic pewter]

so you guys use offensive or defensive cobalt ring these days

[cinder storm]

Best defense is a good offense

[toxic pewter]

actually good point

[craggy pilot]

what do you usually do with the Heal tree in Academy 1st boss? 🤔

feel like i get the green circle on top of the Germinate cast movement

just fucked my 17 cus i couldnt get toxin dispelled

[cinder storm]

With a group you cc branch, kill adds then kill branch right away to clear bleed. With pugs you'd probably want to kill it asap and hopefully avoid any overlaps

[craggy pilot]

how do you CC the branch? 🤔

[blazing condor]

problem is people nuke the branch when it spawns = it dies on 2nd germinate

[dawn falcon]

how do ya'll handle the final room of jade on higher keys? not the final pull but the two littler ones without pulling each other?

[blazing condor]

better to delay it until ads actually spawn (unless you got giga damage and can proc the cleanse before germinate)

[blazing condor]

i start pack on the right where there's only one caster - the rest will run to you, an interrupt will make her run to you

if you wanna pull out

but you dont need to

you can just take them to the side

[dawn falcon]

ah ok i wasn't sure if sides worked

[cinder storm]

If you pull out you can hide on the sides of the door, left pack will start just casting most of the time tho

[cursive burrow]

I range pull the right and charge the left.

For the casters alone.

[lyric geode]

The hardest boss in Algethar academy is the last boss tbh..

[cursive burrow]

...what?

[cinder storm]

How?

[blazing condor]

thats a take

it has the most psychological damage done at least

telling me im not gonna pass my semester n shit

hits hard

[lyric geode]

That

[cinder storm]

Well

[cursive burrow]

Lol.

[frozen rose]

LEARN FROM THIS

[lyric geode]

I tried to ignore pain. But still. The damage is quite high.

[cinder storm]

yes teacher

[patent osprey]

Reflect only reflects 1 spell. Im guessing this was the last pack in jade temple which has 3 dark claw boys. Unless all darkclaws are perfectly syncd which they werent based on the SS. It reflected the first and u got hit by the other 2. Reflect DR was still there which it persists through the reflected spell now but yeah the other 2 still butchered u 😦

[cinder storm]

@patent osprey you were talking about testing intervene in some keys the other day, can you intervene + SR chillstorm?

[patent osprey]

I did not test that but based on how intervene works, it shouldnt be able to get that as its full spellcast and not any physical component to chill storm. Also that fight even if it was, u wouldnt want to as ur taking infinite from chillstorm, frostbolt combo already

[cinder storm]

Makes sense

[dawn falcon]

you need to ignore pain. but you cant ignore ignore pain. what a world

[frozen grove]

Hello guys, got a question, what stats should i aim for on prot warrior, im stacking haste but does it demnish at some point? or should i always sim as tank aswell

[urban portal]

ilevel

[lyric geode]

Item level. Strength> secondary stats

[cinder storm]

That name change took a while

[urban portal]

ye

[lyric geode]

Generally speaking all secondary stats are good. Crit for dmg, versa for survivibility, haste for apm

[frozen grove]

okay ty, and 1 more questrion how about the cobalt assembly ring its 12.2% of my healing thru a dungeon at what point do i replace it for a higher ilvl?

[slim dove]

neither finally

[lyric geode]

NONE

[lyric geode]

No replacement

[mystic radish]

Heya 🙂 what would you upgrade from 405 to 418 first?
Molten Defender, Molten Longsword or Lariat? 🙂

[cinder storm]

Shield

[lyric geode]

Shield to be fair.

[mystic radish]

Perfect 🙂 ty

[frozen grove]

so i keep the assembly tank ring and dont replace it?

[woven trellis]

do we have excel sheet for reflectable spells, i dont like the wa

im too busy to watch it

[cinder storm]

Pins

[lyric geode]

or if you have the ring from first boss from Vault, I would pick frostfire belt

[lyric geode]

Yes

[frozen grove]

allright thanks!

[lyric geode]

I dont know, I watch Plka had the assembly ring of dds on academy.

sometimes the dd ring is better?

[cinder storm]

I only use the damage one

[urban portal]

they do different things

cant really compare

[frozen grove]

now when im in dung im 31% haste, is it worth to enchant some shit to vers or crit? or just keep it like this

this is with into the fray talent

[lyric geode]

31%?

Dude that is so dope

[cinder storm]

Itf

[lyric geode]

I run with 21%

[frozen grove]

yea that is with the bonus from into the fray in dungeons, without im 17.63

[lyric geode]

Generally speaking if you have 35% haste you wanna run ITF

but I would run at 30%

[lyric geode]

ah ok

I suggest still going for HR. But it is a subjective advice

[dire matrix]

where are people using defvs battle stance

cant find anything on it on wowhead

i am blind rtho

[mighty valley]

battle stance normally, switch to defensive stance for dangerous packs/tankbusters

[frozen grove]

didnt know this either, thanks!

[dire matrix]

is what i assumed but just checking

that peopl dont camp def

u can battle even in high keys?

new2warrior but not tanking

[mighty valley]

just feel it out, as you get higher if you feel like your life is in danger all the time, i guess it's time for more dstance

[south zealot]

yooooo

[past ginkgo]

I stay in battle the whole time except for certain trash packs (last group in Temple) and tank busters in the 15-18 key range.

[dire matrix]

in 20s on dh

[south zealot]

on fortified i always run dstance and in higher tyrans i also hit dstance for majority of time

timers are lenient, scraping out 12ish% damage doesnt mean anything if i die

[dire matrix]

hov and tav are anything but lenient at high

[south zealot]

sure, was a more general thing

[dire matrix]

ye

[stark dagger]

is there a trick to azure vault first pull?

[dire matrix]

how big are you going

[stark dagger]

its a 13-14 range...how big should i go

magic dam from plants hurts

[dire matrix]

im doing 2 packs currently

[stark dagger]

ill try

[south zealot]

i just do the two packs

[dire matrix]

with lust

for cds

[south zealot]

take into hallway

[dire matrix]

then shroud 2nd ring

im doing all 6 lashers together

they die fast

3 into the room is fine also

if not skippign

[sick sentinel]

whats the thing on the first boss that hits everyone on first boss SMBG

i see like a cloud come across the room and some dps instantly dies to nothing

[old echo]

they have to stand on the white, glowing circles on the floor during eclipse

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good route for Ruby that includes the Flamegullet?

[cerulean musk]

I tried doing a +13 SMBG and couldnt handle the mobs when you walk down the stairs and aruond the corner, died very fast and group gave up, what is it with those packs that would be killing me so fast?

You guys doing 20s and I'm stuck on 13

[craggy pilot]

feel like trying to skip the Flamegullet is just way too much time spent waiting

[sturdy sable]

And someone always butt pulls it anyways

[frosty mango]

You can do both lasher sets and the tree + lasher in the first hall with lust

[craggy pilot]

exactly

[frosty mango]

And los them back I to the room

[craggy pilot]

never really got the skip down

its ridiculous

[sick sentinel]

RLP at the very start im uncertain how your meant to skip the huge patrol guy

[craggy pilot]

sometimes i can skip him from the first spot, but then i get 2 mobs further and he lands on top of us

[dire matrix]

you can do the first 6 hall and 4 after

but its aids with sanguine

[sturdy sable]

You wait gor him to go to the end

[frosty mango]

It's not bad you have 3 rooms to kite

[dire matrix]

and the floor from the trree

[sturdy sable]

And then hug the wall to the right with the eggs

[frosty mango]

And lasher health is relatively low tbh we just melt them through the sanguine 🫠

[sturdy sable]

Pull big double axe dragon dude to the boss room

[sick sentinel]

like, how your supposed to both skip him, pull the guy that makes adds and then the guy at door and then notr pull the patrol as well, not wasting time

[frosty mango]

Pull into the platform

[craggy pilot]

but anyone got a good route for it? my current route is like 108%

[frosty mango]

There's an entire platform there you can sit on

[sick sentinel]

i usually try to go for the cubby holes or through the door to first boss

[hoary vector]

Why are Tanks running Fang/Frostfire over a Lariat neck?

[craggy pilot]

it gives more mainstat

[sturdy sable]

All the crafts are like 1% apart from another so in all honesty its dealers choice

Like your min maxing for pennies

[frosty mango]

That's the beauty

[hoary vector]

Ahhh so if I already have Fang/Frostfire might as well just add sockets to me Terros Neck?

[frosty mango]

If people wanna do it, it doesn't hurt anyone else

[sturdy sable]

Exactly

[dawn falcon]

how are people handling the pull in azure vault after the first lasher+tree pack, where you have the patrols and the tiny balcony? with sanguine specifically

i was pulling the 4 lashers there and killing on the balcony and then jumping down to the next room, but with the puddles thats a nightmare

[pulsar sedge]

Jump off the ledge and the mobs snap down to you.

[dawn falcon]

just yank back into previous room?

aw shit

really now. lol

[astral crystal]

i go back into the room yeah

but do they actually snap?

[pulsar sedge]

Yessir

[dawn falcon]

i figured they'd path all the way down and deliver Hell to me

[pulsar sedge]

I do it on my keys

[dawn falcon]

thats good tech, thanks lol

[slim dove]

frostfire + eranog ring is huge

[dawn falcon]

also, i see people say to do the room with boss 1 in vaults in one pull, is that feasible in pugs? or am i just overly scared of the trees

[pulsar sedge]

Yeah, just have to have kicks on trees

I usually do 2 trees and all the oozes i can grab, then chain to the next trees

[dawn falcon]

gotcha gotcha. azure vaults has felt the most brutal to time even on mostly smooth runs so im trying to figure out better pulls, thank you kindly

[pulsar sedge]

@dawn falcon keep in mind, the whole group has to jump to get them to snap.

[zinc spruce]

In what item should invest first from crafting orders

[pulsar sedge]

All the embellished items are close in value

All about 1% dps increase.

Personally i went with frostfire belt into wep because i am trying to get the ring from raid.. doubtful.. but hey.. I can dream ;D

[twilit oar]

do I have to use my sparks in the pins? I mean I might craft the belt, was thinking of a shield but I can always spam azure vault for that, but do i wanna lose sanity spamming that dung

[astral crystal]

i crafted shield

eventually it really won't matter

in 2 and a half weeks we'll be able to find sparks as drops

[pulsar sedge]

And soon after that we get the "Creation Catalyst" again shrug

[twilit oar]

Shield is 1 spark

right

or is it cringe and is it 2

wait nvm i can check

[hazy sluice]

bloodmallet reliable?

[dire matrix]

sparks will be rare though

soft capped like legion leggos

isnt it lariat>wep>shield

depending on circumstance

[prisma crane]

not really

way more your last statement

lariat is great for an embellishment and dmg, but a weapon will do more if your current weapon is shit

and shield is our number one item for defense

[dire matrix]

wowhead needs updating then 😛

[wraith hemlock]

Wowhead provides a general idea on what to make

[prisma crane]

im assuming there's more context than just that statement

[wraith hemlock]

You need to use your brain depending on your gear

[chilly brook]

Shield is your most important item

If you can’t get a good shield early I’d be far more interested in crafting a max ilvl shield over a lariat

[prisma crane]

^

[wraith hemlock]

^

My guilds tank got Access to a 415 shield first kill on M Eranog for example. No point in making the shield

[dire matrix]

dont have the page open rn

so cant post word4word

[prisma crane]

then dont give the advice if you're not sure

its ok to not be sure

[dire matrix]

i phrased it as a question

[prisma crane]

fair enough

[dire matrix]

as its also relavent to me

as im chaos limited

[chilly brook]

Reading is valuable

[wraith hemlock]

Oh lol

Sorry my phone is slow

[dire matrix]

almost like i said depending on circumstance

reading is valuable

i asked it as a question too

xd

[chilly brook]

You also said this

[wraith hemlock]

^

[chilly brook]

And as the guide is written it does not need updating

It just needs to be read

Instead of skimmed

[dire matrix]

i mean

your saying if all things are equal make shield

right

[chilly brook]

No

[dire matrix]

defensively*

so what would you craft

[chilly brook]

If all things are equal you likely don’t need a shield

Considering the list is likely based off of most impact in BiS

Offensively

It’s really simple though

Look at your gear

If you have a low ilvl shield

Craft a shield

If you got lucky and have a reasonably high ilvl shield don’t and craft something else that’s lacking

“You will want to use crafted gear to fill in your weakest overall gear slots”

I’m not sure how much simpler it gets

[left bloom]

alchemy haste trinket good for prot?

[wraith hemlock]

you go and sim crafted gear, easy peasy

[chilly brook]

[wraith hemlock]

Well not you griff, of course.

[chilly brook]

Ya boi sims

[wraith hemlock]

You could also focus on your off spec too

[chilly brook]

Lariat is just valued highly because likely you’re not getting a better neck

[twilit oar]

if im gonna spend a spark on a shield

[chilly brook]

But shield is much more impactful early on and especially if you’re unlucky with drops

[twilit oar]

is it better to make shield of the hearth or the primal molten defender

[slim dove]

molten

[chilly brook]

Weapons are much easier to get and having a “properly” stated weapon isn’t huge

[twilit oar]

is that vers not worth it?

[chilly brook]

No

[sand mason]

398 Horn of Valor or 398 Ruby Shell?

[twilit oar]

ait ty

[chilly brook]

Vers is meme

[sand mason]

I have a 415 blazegoof and hate 2 on uses

[urban lodge]

i also have a vera problem xD

[jovial birch]

Everyone is always talking about crafted shield however Crystalized Bulwark from Azure vaults is BiS based on stat priority farm that and up it with valor.

[chilly brook]

Who cares about stats

[earnest canyon]

Hi everyone
whats the general better proc for lariat? haste or vers?
or should I just sim it?

[chilly brook]

And I’d rather gouge my eyes out than farm that accursed place

[slim dove]

or craft shield and go farm cos for whetstone

lul

[chilly brook]

^

Ultimately there’s no wrong answer as long as you get a high ilvl shield

[jovial birch]

I got lucky and got it first week so my advice may be a bit off haha

[slim dove]

also

then your stuck in prot spec

ew.

[chilly brook]

But farming AV seems kinda masochistic

[hardy hamlet]

Yo how do I do the first pull in Academy? Whenever I‘m trying to go big it goes one of two ways: DPS can‘t hold their fingers and unload before I gathered the pull, hence they get aggro and it goes south, or I get way too low before properly gathering the pull which means I die or healer gets heal aggro.

[slim dove]

in pugs i just chain pull

5sec window between lashers

[chilly brook]

Especially considering youd want to do it at a high enough level to not dumpster your whole valor reserve

[jovial birch]

Pull first pack of skitters and a tree and lashers.

[hardy hamlet]

Alright I figured that

gotta try ty

[fiery kiln]

i usually just throw down my ravager where the pack would end up

and it does the trick

[chilly brook]

Fr though on a shield you really only care about ilvl

If it has good stats cool

But the only stat you care about is block

[hardy hamlet]

Do you run in mounted or do some chain of charges and leap?

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter

Do either

Whatever works and doesn’t get people killed

[fiery kiln]

i pull 1 of the small ones in each pack with HT and wait for them to get somewhat close then ravager -> normal rotation

[chilly brook]

Fwiw most of those pulls aren’t done mounted

But it shouldn’t really matter

[pulsar sedge]

I use titan throw, never seem to have people yeet threat from me during pulls shrug

[hardy hamlet]

Interesting. I think I like getting some threat + rage on the first skitters then get aggro with the throws

[fiery kiln]

i don't do the big pull with skiteers tho

[zinc spruce]

which tree is titan throw at

left or right

[pulsar sedge]

left

[hardy hamlet]

You let the first ones pass by then?

[fiery kiln]

no pull them first by themselves

and then do the big pull

[chilly brook]

Get a class to CC it ez pz

[fiery kiln]

that works aswell

[chilly brook]

Makes it the most manageable

Don’t have to worry about someone butt pulling a patrol

[zinc spruce]

you get it instead of double time or which one

[hardy hamlet]

Ok. Yeah I think 3 skitters should be manageable in pugs if you can gather everything properly

[pulsar sedge]

Not sure what you are taking already, but i drop honed reflexes for it

[hardy hamlet]

But tbh just chaining the packs doesn‘t seem much worse. It‘s just a fun fantasy to get it all and blast.

[pulsar sedge]

drop barb training

Its awwwffulll

[zinc spruce]

really?

[pulsar sedge]

Yupp

You're just rage starving yourself

[mystic fog]

How come warcraft logs dps is much lower than recount?

Which is more accurate?

[pulsar sedge]

Not sure, my details logs usually match my warcraft logs uploads

[pallid quiver]

Barbaric Training is a good talent if your rage economy allows it; it's less rage efficient, but puts more into each cast. So if you're absolutely overflowing in rage (which we are not at the moment), Barbaric's strong

[mystic fog]

Mine do not at all

Theres maybe a 30% discrepancy

[earnest canyon]

ping

[pulsar sedge]

Not sure, ive never used recount. Always details.

[pallid quiver]

Logs count the downtime between packs if any or downtime between things, as well as other various things

[pallid quiver]

Sim it

[mystic fog]

Or derails w/e

Im pretty sure i use details as well

[pallid quiver]

Details only takes into account the time the person was active

[mystic fog]

Ah okay..

[pulsar sedge]

On your logs, you can hover over active and it will show the same.

[mystic fog]

No wonder dungeon parses look different from raid boss parses

Well tbh they are my friends logs not mine

[pulsar sedge]

I thought you meant your actives were off ;D

[mystic fog]

I cant get logs working for my life

[devout basalt]

I heard the hot pocket embellishment doesnt actually count as an embellishment. That true?

[mystic fog]

How much of a dps difference is lariat?

[pulsar sedge]

About 1-3% depending on your RNG

[mystic fog]

Damn thats the difference between good and bad

[pulsar sedge]

Eh.. Not really

Its not 1-3% HIGHER than other embelishments. Its about 1-3% dps increase over no embelishments

[mystic fog]

Yeah i dont have a single embellishment lol

[pulsar sedge]

Then take your pick ;D

[wraith hemlock]

That the one for food?

[olive crag]

I'm having trouble with Searing Blows on Kokia Blazehoof. How do I mitigate it?

[grim loom]

windscar any good for prot?

[mystic fog]

Spell block and shield block

With ignore pain

[pulsar sedge]

Windscar is a great dps trinket ;D

[grim loom]

im using hoof and torch rn for tanking

[devout basalt]

Yeah. Flavor pocket I think it's called

[pulsar sedge]

I would replace hoof for windscar if i got it to drop

[mystic fog]

Torch is broken for tanking

[pulsar sedge]

I see peoples logs with windscar shredding but my hoof is meh

[mystic fog]

Legit adds 10% more dmg

[grim loom]

well i got a 405 scar, and hoof is 392

so probly worth

bis trinket is seed+torch tho right?

[olive crag]

does ignore pain mitigate the dot tick?

[pulsar sedge]

IP ignores 50% of all dmg taken.

[wraith hemlock]

It does not count. Tested myself. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/tuçhi

Even made the comment about it on the wowhead section for the flavor pocket

[devout basalt]

Most excellent, thanks

[mystic fog]

Seed trinket? Which one is that

[grim loom]

from azure vaults

[pulsar sedge]

Eh, i never liked seed

Its a pretty meh trinket with ramp up and a defensive trinket to boot

[slim dove]

probably all totem + torch

whetstone/icon/alltotem/torch are all amazing

[lunar delta]

So many pwar running frozen devotion instead of Sophic. It’s quite interesting

[grim loom]

dont think ill get a alltotem anytime soon since im dps main

[honest vale]

Frozen Devotion is nice in AoE.

[eager canyon]

is Rumbling Ruby a good trink?

feel like my trinkets are just garbage

[high drum]

it is good yeah

[zinc spruce]

finally!

[brisk gust]

Decoration Flame, Windscar Whestone, All-Totem of the Master, Which trinkets would u run?

Feel like decoration flame + windscar is bis out of those 3 even if they're on-use no?

[jovial birch]

I have alltotem and decoration of flame alltotem is not that great.

[brisk gust]

ye i ran the same but got windscar now in CoS so feel like i should swap it for all totem

[sick sentinel]

some dude paying for a tank

[brisk gust]

10k is low for helping them push a +9 lmao

[neon elk]

Also he needs his tank to be from same realm

[zinc spruce]

is this trinket really HORRIBLE for prot?

[neon elk]

Why would it be horible?

[deep spruce]

pretty sure its excellent

[zinc spruce]

oh

[brisk gust]

Its insane for dps in m+

[zinc spruce]

is it

[neon elk]

Its one of best in m+

[zinc spruce]

okay

[deep spruce]

and its rare af

[brisk gust]

But lads would u swap Windscar for all totem or decoration?

[deep spruce]

all totem is dogshit imo

[void bramble]

Hey guys, I just joined the channel, I have been playing bear but have a prot warrior alt (been getting dicked in high keys so switching to warrior for now), I have not used any of my sparks yet on this guy, is it a waste to do a sword and shield?

[zinc spruce]

i thought it was considered bad

[sick sentinel]

it does a fuck load of dmg, .... just go try it lol

[deep spruce]

Not a waste no

[zinc spruce]

i dont have it yet

i wanna try and get it

[cold zealot]

Just play whatever is more dps.
Cann pull that one off until 20ish keys bar a few keys

[slim dove]

its fine for m+

[sick sentinel]

i want to get the fury on from not gud

[deep spruce]

Meh, i was using it, and replaced it with rumbling ruby

[sick sentinel]

movespeed and dmg

[deep spruce]

ruby smashes it out the water

[void bramble]

this is what I currently have for gear, with having three sparks was going to do lariat , shield, and weapon

but was maybe thinking I shouldnt?

based on wowhead and icy

[deep spruce]

you'll have another in a fortnight

[sick sentinel]

what addon do you guys have to show ilvl on gear

[slim dove]

wep/shield for sure.

[sick sentinel]

and does it apply to bag as well

[deep spruce]

lariat wep and shield is fine

[void bramble]

what embellishments do I use?

the thorn and then neck that counts as two right?

little confused at that part

@sick sentinel I use O item level addon on curseforge

yes it shows in bags as well

[pulsar sedge]

I use elvui ;D

[void bramble]

yeah im too lazy to switch, it would make my UI look sick lol

[quartz brook]

Hello guys, what tinker socket should I put on my crafted wrists?

[void bramble]

does lariat count as having (1/2) embellishments?

[steel mauve]

yes

[blazing condor]

do mining ores just spawn into walls n shit

or is my minimap just broke

[steel mauve]

its a bug thats been in every expansion since wow's release, some just spawn inside rocks, or walls or other objects and you cant get to them, just have to move on

[void bramble]

So I should do lariat, shield with armor spikes, and then a weapon

[pulsar sedge]

Keep in mind there are ALOT of caves with rock walls you need to mine to get to.

[steel mauve]

ya ive found a few herbs behind rock walls, but my main is herb/alch, but ive always legit found herbs/ore spawning inside rocks or mopuntains that you just cant get to, dragonflight being no different

[sick sentinel]

this is what im working with

[wraith root]

hello im new in pve. i want to try tank but dont know best routes. is there a addon that shows me (mark enemys) what i should pull next?

[pulsar sedge]

Thats what elvui looks like.

[blazing condor]

Mythic Dungeon Tools

oh

sorry

im stupid

i think there's a weak aura for it

dont remember what its named though

[pulsar sedge]

@wraith root not really. You will need to find a route and study it or watch a video of one. You can download other peoples routes, but i dont think it marks the PULLS for you in real time.

Just on the addon popup

[sand mason]

what gems do we wanna put in the lariat? Im doing the haste/vers ones but I only ever proc vers from the embelishment?

Is it better to have a haste only gem to get that juicy haste proc?

[slim dove]

mainstat/haste.

then 2x hate/crit or vers.

[wraith root]

i tried 3 dungeons but i got flamed so hard because i dont know what to pull in normal dugneon

[pulsar sedge]

Watch a few videos or get a route from MDT and open it up as you go

[blazing condor]

honestly almost all dungeons this xpac are just "hold W through dungoen" and you get enough %

[pulsar sedge]

Mythic Dungeon Tools allows you to have it open in a little window, or you can dual monitor the route.

[honest vale]

Every pack on your way to the boss, but don't pull extra. Pull what is needed to get to the boss and don't aggro extra.

[sick sentinel]

Man Baby Tools, Method Dungeon Tools, other names it went by

[sand mason]

would high crit / low haste be the move to cheese the proc?

[slim dove]

str/haste gem will proc haste

[karmic willow]

is the haste Alchemy trinket any good for starting out?

[pulsar sedge]

Eh.. NO/CoS/HoV/AV/RLP/AA all cant be just "press W" and win..

[slim dove]

haste/crit will proc crit

[pulsar sedge]

So i wouldnt reccomend anyone to just wing it lol

[slim dove]

fuck NO

[sick sentinel]

what is it in HOV at the start

towards bos 2

they heal

[blazing condor]

rune of healing

[slim dove]

mystics iirc

[sick sentinel]

and i think its 2 splles

[slim dove]

holy radiance and rune of healing.

[blazing condor]

mystic places it on ground

like sanguine but less bloody

[sick sentinel]

a rune on th ground and an actual heal

[slim dove]

rune can go off, not a huge deal just drag shit out of it

holy radiance needs to be kicked

[honest vale]

Prio kick is Radiance 1000%

[sick sentinel]

so, that + sanguini, i don't want to run hov much lol

[pulsar sedge]

Eh.. Easy dung tbh

Wolves are the only issue

[honest vale]

I was in HOV last night and someone pulled 3 extra wolves into the 2 that I was tanking. I died instantly.

[pulsar sedge]

Yeah.. Its pretty instant death lol

[slim dove]

hov is tons of fun

first pull is the test for dps iq

[honest vale]

Kick Thundercaller(s)?

[slim dove]

yeah

[honest vale]

We talking everything up to and including the dragon?

[slim dove]

ofc

lust it

blast

[pulsar sedge]

Yeah i triple into lust

Its a blast ;D

[slim dove]

stagger step power strikes from the champions

aoe soothe from dragon is huge

[sand mason]

MAke 418 wep or sheild first? I dont feel squishy in these keys at all...

[honest vale]

Did that last night in the pug, we died because Thundercallers were castin' and people didn't clear Thundering so I died to a stun.

[slim dove]

shield

[sand mason]

for surege

[pulsar sedge]

Yeah.. Thundering is the issue.

[slim dove]

yeah so its the dps iq test

[honest vale]

Shield > Weapon > whatever else

[pulsar sedge]

I just run and immediately clear it on a triple like that

[cinder storm]

Always shield

[pulsar sedge]

Idgaf about their deeps ;D

[reef jackal]

which shield? primal molten or the embelished one?

[honest vale]

But if you can get access to 415 shield/weapon from raid, then craft something else.

[slim dove]

chill until dragon breathes then clear.

[sand mason]

I have primal molten

[slim dove]

molten

[reef jackal]

ty

[sand mason]

The emblishment on that shield is bait

[slim dove]

i dpsed a 17 a while ago and tank turned dragon into us to go clear at 11 seconds

healer left insta